091423-Flint City Council-Special Meeting

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2024

ความคิดเห็น • 141

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    56:30
    If Flint City Counsel had more members of Mr. Mays' caliber (intelligent, smart, sharp, honest, independent thinker, e.g.), Flint city might look like a shining city on the hill...).

  • @atltruth4455
    @atltruth4455 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mayes you make my day.peace love blessings favor daily to life..take care of your city.Amen.may God keep showing up with Teuth facts and proof.Amen

  • @MAYDAYES
    @MAYDAYES ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is a Jerry Springer Flint Council meeting😂

  • @angelalynette5336
    @angelalynette5336 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Even the police said Nope--not getting into or supporting this nonsense lol

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:25:00
    Needed to see and read the Flint City Council rules for myself!!!! Googled them! The rules are only 17 pages.

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:57:26
    Haaaaa!! Yeah, it's pretty clear you skipped a lot of high school, Quincy! YOU said it yourself, although folks could guess as much. Those English classes you missed are very noticeable.

  • @Speakstreet222
    @Speakstreet222 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Cancance Mushatt Joined for nothing but views an to become famous she is continuously Making faces an Rolling her eyes an Rude to the Citizens an is condescending …she need to be out next she smiles an laughs every meeting

  • @francessmith2247
    @francessmith2247 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Attorney Kim is just as shady as Mayor Neely, Lewis, Worthy, Murphy, Mushett, Pressly, and Pfeiffer. The city attorney should be able to answer any questions about the Charter, Robert's Rules, or any other information about Flint.

  • @sj1225
    @sj1225 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I didn’t realize that a city attorney could be more useless then mush mouth that left a couple years ago, yet there he is proving me wrong.

  • @HenryEllisonHoweyJr
    @HenryEllisonHoweyJr ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Let’s go Councilman Mays!!!!!

  • @avishopkins8295
    @avishopkins8295 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤MUCH LOVE MR. MAYS JWC. AND T.BURNS ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @abetterme7215
    @abetterme7215 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    2:03:54 look at Lewis. She was waiting to get an reaction from Burns while Eva was laughing. She did this on purpose. She wanted to get Burns upset and removed from the meeting.
    Lewis needs to be removed!!
    Tonya if you ever read this keep your cool she wants you to be just as mad and miserable as she is....

  • @ascendingLOTUS
    @ascendingLOTUS ปีที่แล้ว +4

    who keeps voting Ladel to chair?! She has no professional structure… lack of respect of her peers (due to her lack of respect), she isnt a good leader & should not be chairing these meetings smh.

  • @reggiereg5701
    @reggiereg5701 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Appreciate what Mr.Pfiefer did tonight but he needs to remain consistent… It’s been very clear that although Candace doesn’t say much in these meetings,and when she does she’s either lost or incoherent like Murphy, but she is definitely voting wrong!.She’s basically a guaranteed vote for Ladel Lewis on almost every vote… Do not elect her back to that seat during the next election!

    • @ladyj5682
      @ladyj5682 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Exactly

    • @one007guy
      @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂 this meeting was awful. Lewis was angry, Priestly was MIA, Pfeifer was trying to pull a Mr. Winfrey and be the voice of reason and Mays thought POO and multiple appeals would help move City business. They should all get recalled…oh wait.

    • @j.rewing635
      @j.rewing635 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course you appreciate it
      He incorrectly sided with the 3 idiot , ignorant ghetto members
      So your appreciation is expected
      Black people live for bullshit and nonsense

    • @Blackjuans
      @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@j.rewing635Dont forget to add bleach when you wash your Klansmen robe.

    • @setybtv
      @setybtv ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Worthing and Lewis are Thing 1 and Thing 2, the Bitter Twins Edition, with the occasional sub out of Worthing for Murphy, Mr. Mo-Bitter himself. Now, Mr. Mays has his fair share of "act up," but these last few meetings, he has been right in his reasoning. If he didn't appeal, they'd run right over him. And you can't ask any man, or any grown person for that matter, to allow it. They need to retire the word "germane," because they clearly don't know the definition. And you can hardly blame Priestly for not being there because I imagine all of them have high blood pressure, psych meds, and a therapist on speed dial. The stress! And imagine, alllll of that and still nothing gets done. Smh.

  • @brendenhuerta21
    @brendenhuerta21 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:03:47 at 0.25 speed. Chef’s Kiss👌🏿

  • @jayswisha3378
    @jayswisha3378 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The most corrupt person on the panel is running the show 😅 pay for play politics and the fab 5 are letting it happen.

  • @AK84-24
    @AK84-24 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:10:30 Shade!!!🤣🤣

  • @barryd-mx5eu
    @barryd-mx5eu ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Damn Ms Mushatt is the new irkenroder , she on that Okey Doke too ? Damn I was likin her..

  • @setybtv
    @setybtv ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I'm convinced Lewis doesn't hear or see her own behavior. She's nasty, condescending, and arrogant. I imagine that Mr. Mays' past behavior has permanently damaged any chance at professional decorum amongst the collective, but even when he is genuinely conducting business (maybe not how they'd prefer he do so but you can't tell a grown person how to do what he does but so much) , they throw jabs, apply rules inequitably, misquote rules, cut people off, issue stupid warnings, etc. If they're not going to start fair from this point forward, be prepared for more meetings with zero achieved and hate from the public that can see and hear what the bigger clique is doing. Damage is going to resonate beyond this council, and based on the public response, it is already battering the citizens. At this point, even if Mays is acting up, it looks like he's defending himself, and he clearly cares and is well informed. There needs to be a come to Jesus or else what are they doing? Except providing content for parodies and comedic skits on social media.

    • @Blackjuans
      @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh she fully aware. Shes a narcisist, and shes always looking out for her own interest. Shes a black Kate Fields. Shes fighting for position at the Mayors table. But she gonna end up in a lawsuit and everything will go south and she'll end up with nothing.

  • @AK84-24
    @AK84-24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:28:20😮😮😮

  • @lipstikredllc.2097
    @lipstikredllc.2097 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the new look ❤❤❤

  • @avishopkins8295
    @avishopkins8295 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤MR. P❤

  • @RichGallagher-jo7uq
    @RichGallagher-jo7uq ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This shows why the mayor organized a ad-hoc committee to make recommendations on the spending of ARPA funds. He knew what would happen.

    • @SylverLining64
      @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is happening, partly, BECAUSE the Mayor formed an ILLEGAL Ad-hoc committee! Duhhh... and, partly due to several ill-equipped councilpersons.

  • @ThaRealMsBoss
    @ThaRealMsBoss ปีที่แล้ว +17

    20:21 is what started this whole thing when Worthing interjected with her point of order because she was tired of listening to Mr. Mays. Lewis didn’t say nothing until Worthing made that point of order. Worthing started this whole mess & kept calling Point of orders & Lewis agreed with her each time but blamed Mays for standing his ground and speaking the truth. If worthing wasnt trying to start mess then act like it’s everyone else then they could of got through the agenda.

    • @francessmith2247
      @francessmith2247 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most definitely!!!! They are trying very hard to get Mays and Burns out of the meeting. The Evil 6 needs to go so that Flint can move forward instead of having chaos in every meeting. Mr Mays is not the blame. It's the Evil 6 who creates chaos all the time.

  • @ingridfuller8698
    @ingridfuller8698 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You are abusing the power of the chair, you losing control of yourself. The chair you need to stop, make it make sense.

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Worthy didn't challenge Phiefer! Don't start nothing it won't be nothing 💯 😌.

  • @jarvisramsey6801
    @jarvisramsey6801 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Paul is profiting off council mays , the way he get the drama started ...like Murphy and Lidell Lewis excepting bribes ...the first council ward has done a lot of things , but excepting bribe money he will stand that corruption....carry on

  • @billyjackson2219
    @billyjackson2219 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    1:49:54 Doug - You think Tonya and JWC wearing a law firm shirt (that they paid for) is an ethics violation, but Ladell and Quincy literally took big money and gifts from Ashley Capital, then voted in favor of Ashley Capital. Where's your speeches criticizing them? You're looking like a massive hypocrite that nobody is taking seriously. And please NEVER recite another poem at that podium.

    • @Blackjuans
      @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He looking suspicious. Him, Lewis, and Candice look suspicious. Candice got that seat curtousy of Lewis help. Matthews lost but his head is up Lewis's ass when you'd think he be upset about not being voted into that seat.
      Lewis, Candice, and Matthews are all in someones back pocket.

    • @spectacletv-FCCM
      @spectacletv-FCCM  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for engaging, it makes the channel hummm.

    • @Briannas_busted_Benz_shocks
      @Briannas_busted_Benz_shocks ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Exactly. He's allegedly so smart but worried about t-shirts and not the gifts Quincy and Lewis received? Huh? Burns was right. He didn't even have the facts about the situation and just wanted to start some mess. He owes Burns and Winfrey-Carter an apology, but I doubt they get one. People like him never can admit fault when they are wrong.

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Murphy you just collecting a check! Why you think your time is more precious than anyone else's?

  • @domturner6467
    @domturner6467 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    May's just showed that the Flint council rules doesn't mean crap

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Ludell's attitude is in her voice and actions. Good chairs should practice being unbiased.

  • @TMBpk
    @TMBpk ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Few things:
    1. RL makes more sense then Quincy Murphy
    2. Quincy Murphy would sell his own children for a lawnmower
    3. Ladel Lewis is gone…1000 signatures collected in a day for her recall…bye bye.
    4. Eva Worthing has burner accounts on TH-cam and Tik Tok trying to discredit Mays and argue with people who roast her - it bothers her a lot LMFAO
    5. Pfeiffer is the smartest politician on the council…he recognizes Mays social media popularity and is trying to be seen as pro-Mays to get into the good books unlike Worthing and Ladel who get roasted on Tik Tok
    6. What does Candace even do?
    That is all.

    • @Blackjuans
      @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว

      Ive noticed them Burner accounts. I know she in the live chat talking sh*t during them meeting. Thats why she sits there like a cold sore and does nothing except try to entrap and provoke Mays, Burns, and JWC. They two black for her. And i hope someone exposes what she said to them kids at Hamedy. Just unprofessional.
      Candace has no purpose other than to fill a spot. I wish to god Ms Galloway came back.

  • @Akutukananu
    @Akutukananu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here we go, here we go on our way to the show! Lol 😆

  • @gloriacato7761
    @gloriacato7761 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do they fix it?

  • @tasinamcfarland3263
    @tasinamcfarland3263 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I’ve watched this twice and I laughed harder the second time. He’s a genius. “He” as in MR. Mays😅

    • @gloriacato7761
      @gloriacato7761 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      " Evil genius or academically genius; only one of these descriptions snuggly fits in the same sentence that has MR.Mays in it.

  • @Blackjuans
    @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Candice over there trying to hide. Can barely even see her.

  • @kendrickalston7801
    @kendrickalston7801 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    At this point, the state needs to take over this council. This is absolutely embarrassing

  • @ingridfuller8698
    @ingridfuller8698 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why is the chair talking with him? She is so rude? She want to be in control? Why the chair won't let this item come before the body?

  • @ingridfuller8698
    @ingridfuller8698 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You are the game player. Listen to the chair tone, who is she mad with ? She called Mr. May's name why?

  • @paulawoodard5526
    @paulawoodard5526 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who is the guy that's standing in the front?

  • @constancerameriz8025
    @constancerameriz8025 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    They can talk about Mr. Mays all they want . He tries his best to take care of flint people. Sorry if he speaking slow and ask questions and get under their skin . Take care of all the people in flint. And when he removed his self Lewis started in on Ms.Burns.

  • @vernalgillespie6456
    @vernalgillespie6456 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Ladel was so out of control tonight that Pfeiffer couldn't defend her actions. Ladel is a very arrogant nasty spiteful woman and she's mad that enough signatures was collected in her ward to recall her condescending self.

    • @billyjackson2219
      @billyjackson2219 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also she was so out of control that Metcalf didn't act when she wanted him to come remove Mays.

  • @SharonAdams-tg4zp
    @SharonAdams-tg4zp ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem with this council the reason they do not get any work done for the city is that they allow Mr. Mays to constantly talk about the rules. Stop it with what the rules and get the work done.

  • @deborahfennell4787
    @deborahfennell4787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I stell want to know what are the children saying Worthing...she has been trying to avoid it

  • @anikaka3850
    @anikaka3850 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Funny how they all be quiet and listen to the white man😅😅

  • @ingridfuller8698
    @ingridfuller8698 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    That chair need to learn rules & regulations. She is so rude.

  • @sharonadams921
    @sharonadams921 ปีที่แล้ว

    The council should stop rejecting eric mays expertise because they are apart of the future council and this is how you learn to carry on for the city. Learn from him now while he is still around with the knowledge.

  • @AK84-24
    @AK84-24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:23:10 Stuttering🤣🤣🤣

  • @AK84-24
    @AK84-24 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:35:30 You say something to me???

  • @gloriacato7761
    @gloriacato7761 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder why the opening prayers ALWAYS fall on deaf ears? Has their GOD decided that all has been done, even HE is embarrassed? Wow

  • @constancerameriz8025
    @constancerameriz8025 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Lewis is out of order, and people in flint need to look hard at this woman. This is the second time in a week of her calling the police on these Black men for nothing .and if the white man didn't say anything the police would have removed him .She is making mature Black Women look bad . Shame on her and those who don't see and care about her actions

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ludell isn't a leader and bias which instigated unrulyness.

  • @wealthyauntie
    @wealthyauntie ปีที่แล้ว +22

    It is heartbreaking to watch this and seeing the bias behavior of the chair. She clearly lacks knowledge of the rules and her position. Praying 🙏🏾 for Flint . You need a new chair 🪑

  • @yprice850
    @yprice850 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Pheiffer tried to tell Lewis, " Don't start no stuff, won't be no stuff."

    • @SylverLining64
      @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Somebody needs to show and tell Lewis and the Frivolous Five, that "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander!" Maybe at some point in time, Mays will. GET HER (Lewis) OUTTA THERE!!! Along with the other Funky Bunch!

  • @Ms.L2803
    @Ms.L2803 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why doesn't she ever warn Queency Murphy?

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Audience leaves slowly. The public can't speak.

  • @OFFICIAL1STLADY
    @OFFICIAL1STLADY ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Dictatorship…she really needs to be removed altogether. Mr. Lewis, you are devilish, mean-spirited, and extremely childish. I would be embarrassed being under your leadership as a chair.

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    1:23:40
    LADELLE IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER MESS!!!!!

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Love it "You don't know how to Chair anyway!"

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    50:33
    You are in OVER your head, Ladelle!!! RESIGN IMMEDIATELY!!! Save face...if that's even possible for you! Sheesh!!!!!

  • @christophersims6863
    @christophersims6863 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Worthy don't know anything but to support getting the most knowledgeable and her thorn out of the meeting. Ludell doesn't know what she's doing. Get control Ludell! You can't because you are wrong!

  • @Blackjuans
    @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:34:37 A cadillac! 😂😂😂

  • @Blackjuans
    @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1:23:34 "And, And, And" and "I, I, I,"
    😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @billyjackson2219
      @billyjackson2219 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joe with old school r&b "I know that you're lying, cause when you're replying, st st stutter stutter" 🎵

  • @billyjackson2219
    @billyjackson2219 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    1:35:34 perfect example of how they abuse the "not germane" thing. Anytime they dont like something Mays is saying, they call point of order and say hes not germane.
    Theres your real reason why meetings get bogged down. Let people say whatever they want to say in their 5 minutes.

  • @ThaRealMsBoss
    @ThaRealMsBoss ปีที่แล้ว +8

    1:10:05 Trouble Maker Worthing “I thought he was being kicked out” & here come stuttering Ladel trying to please her SMH

  • @reginalondon3252
    @reginalondon3252 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ladell Lewis needs to be moved.

  • @ronaldpreville1053
    @ronaldpreville1053 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Burns you are the problem😡😡😡

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:10:00
    SO IMMATURE!!! EVA, LADELL AND QUINCY!!!! MUSHITT IS AN AIR-HEAD, IT SEEMS.

  • @Journeys_channel
    @Journeys_channel ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Mr. Mays❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Blackjuans
    @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:53:20 Get his a** Ms Burns!

    • @reggiereg5701
      @reggiereg5701 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And Winfrey Carter came to exact her pound of flesh right after Ms.Burn ate his a** up!
      Bet he won’t do that again lol

    • @Blackjuans
      @Blackjuans ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@reggiereg5701 Thats a fact! Folks hate on Burns and JWC because their strong and take no bs.

    • @Briannas_busted_Benz_shocks
      @Briannas_busted_Benz_shocks ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@BlackjuansAnd they shouldn't put up with any mess, especially when you have someone trying to lie on you

  • @Akutukananu
    @Akutukananu ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG please spit it out guys. Lol lol lol please talk.

  • @mariwatson1388
    @mariwatson1388 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She said “Negro” … lorddddd

  • @Janderson46
    @Janderson46 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why won’t the city takeover this council? This is ongoing. Their personal dislikes for each other continuously get into the way. Now, Mays can be a handful. Lewis gave him a warning too early. They are constantly prolonging getting the business of the city done.

  • @momsterzz
    @momsterzz ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wonder if Allie still watches these or if it invokes PTSD

  • @SylverLining64
    @SylverLining64 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Does anyone know if Ladelle and Eva have a thing going on??? They be sending vibes, in my opinion... Lol

    • @spectacletv-FCCM
      @spectacletv-FCCM  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for engaging, it makes the channel hummm.

  • @TheCharlesJLee1000
    @TheCharlesJLee1000 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I watched the previous and now the current Flint city council meetings, and yes councilmen Eric Mays’ typical interruptions of point of orders, Eva Worhing with her low blow snarky comments, Ladel Lewis bringing unpredictable nonsense, and RL Mitchell, the Flint city ambassador is in Amen's corner. The deal breaker was Eric Mays exposing fellow council members Ladel Lewis and Quincy Murphy for taking illegal political contributions that was unethical. As for other Councilmembers, Dennis Phiffer is probably a fair and sane person on Flint City Council. As for Councilwoman Candance Mushatt where is her leadership in all this? The Flint City Council needs a serious parliamentarian who would control the volume and dialogue with the public in these meetings. I think Paul Herring, Jr., the owner of Spectacle Television Productions should be the parliamentarian and it would be interesting to see how the owner of this television production conducts meetings for the city of Flint, Michigan

    • @ladyj5682
      @ladyj5682 ปีที่แล้ว

      Laughable. You need to watch more council meetings and read Flint News. Councilman Mays is a Justice Fighter for the citizens. No one else cares that much to risk their lives and political careers to fight for citizens. Do your due diligence

    • @one007guy
      @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul 4 President!

    • @TomPedroni-us7op
      @TomPedroni-us7op ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Paul is incredibly biased against Mays, Burns, and JWC

    • @one007guy
      @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomPedroni-us7op are you sure about that or is it because they’ve treated him poorly in the past? Respect is a two way street. This has been the same clown show for three different councils and the only thing that hasn’t changed is Mays and JWC.

    • @ladyj5682
      @ladyj5682 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TomPedroni-us7op 💯

  • @chartaviafuller4027
    @chartaviafuller4027 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RL, please sit down. 😊

    • @csmith3807
      @csmith3807 ปีที่แล้ว

      3 wasted minutes

  • @rcp11202
    @rcp11202 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Burns is continuously Off topic🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @j2da
      @j2da ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No she's on topic when it comes to highlighting how unfair lewis chairs!

  • @pamemeott1685
    @pamemeott1685 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just so sad. Flint needs things so bad and all this points of order and seconds over things that just do not help the city. Straight nonsense and waste of time.

  • @one007guy
    @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a disaster our meeting! 3 different councils, same clown show. I hope the Court is watching this and the Governor too. Disband council and appoint a City manager.

    • @Hanzyscure
      @Hanzyscure ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gretched too busy worrying about Brandon tripping and falling.

    • @one007guy
      @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Hanzyscure it's coming. Mays and JWC haven't changed for 3 different councils and they've got Burns following. The only way to move Flint forward is to get rid of them all and start fresh.

    • @anikaka3850
      @anikaka3850 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@one007guynot going to happen so start praying for a different outcome!

    • @one007guy
      @one007guy ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@anikaka3850 the only other outcome is to have a different council person in Ward 1. That's the only thing that hasn't changed in over 8 years of Clown Shows.

    • @anikaka3850
      @anikaka3850 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@one007guy not going to happen and I think you know it.

  • @diamondrenee4078
    @diamondrenee4078 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mrs.Burns is very funny acting I won’t forget that she turned on Mr.Mays stop with all this gaslighting mess