As a student in Mexico, I had traveled occasionally by train, always a grand adventure. Later, I used to take tourist groups to Mexico. One year we took the Pullman train from Mexico City to Guadalajara. The cars had seen their better days, but then so had some of us. The end of Mexican passenger service was coming to an end and maintenance confirmed the fact. Instructions in the bedrooms and bathrooms were in English, covered by multiple coats of paint. The fold-down beds were not top notch but it was a great adventure never to be forgotten. One of the gentleman in the group mentioned that last time on a train similar to this one was when he returned from WWII. Shortly after, the train service was discontinued.
I worked for National Railway Equipment in the early 90s. I remember having a contract for a while, where we sold “reconditioned” parts and leased a few EMD locomotives to Mexico. When they came back, every one was full of beer cans and tequila bottles in the cab and engine compartment.😁🙈
My father was half Brasilian....he had some friends that worked for this line...I remember back in the 1980s we visited one of his friends....he actually invited us in the locomotive at the time my father was a trainman/switchman for CNW....I will never forget when the conductor brought up a 12 pack...we stopped in a siding and the conductor made a fire....we all ate good...tacos de lengua, tripa and piscado....
I actually think that that one, which had suffered fire damage in Mexico, is now in Scranton, PA, as Doyle McCormick's Nickel Plate 190. I believe Santa Fe 59 is the former D&H 16, which was also on the Empalme deadline but was in much worse shape, having been involved in a rollover while in Mexico
i really miss those days when i was a kid growing up in mexico.every other weekend we will go to see my grandparents and we will take the train.great memories when the train will stop at smaler towns ans we will buy all kind of suveniers and local delicious food.
Wow I saw a old LIRR ALCO C420 locomotive still belching smoke in your video. It's nice to know someone took charge of the ole Iron when our own roads gave up on them. Thanks Daniel H. I got a little choked up, maybe a cinder or two got in my eye lol 😂👍👍
That Alco PA running as FNM DH-17 is just gorgeous. How I miss the days of the 50's and 60's when you could see these and F units in action here in the US along side of the highways. And as for Willie Nelson, he could make singing the Yellow Pages a #1 hit!
After the EL merger in 1960 you'd see PAs and E8s lashed together. Very interesting mis-matched motive power. Towards the end EL would hook anything that ran together. It made for interesting combinations.
Just found this video-Fantastic! Oh, how I wish I could have been on that journey. I am lucky to see Doyle's PA up here in Portland re done as NKP #190. I have put videos of it on, and my N scale re-creations of what I hope it will look like on the main line in the not too distant future. This was great footage , thank you so much. I missed a great opportunity in 1985 to be on a track geometry survey of N de M like we did for Amtrak in 1984. The Sept 8.1 magnitude quake killed over 10,000 people and laid waste the rail system. No trip that year....
These were the good old days. Thankfully all four PAs that went to Mexico were saved; two remain in a Mexican Railway Museum, while the other two were sent back to the US and are under restoration at two different locations.
*Thanks for the update... Was wondering how many still remained? I know one was operational down there for a while - They'd occasionally fire it up. Doyle McCormick got a hold of one of them ...*
@@JungleYT From what I heard in the news, there’s still work to do. Genesee Valley Transportation will finish the work, then run the 190 in excursion service.
I love this, I remember a train that passed through the OUACHITA NATIONAL forest in Mena ARKANSAS, I think it was called the # 9, it was very old probably a steam engine, the old people would ride it just to hear the whistle blow, my son inlaw's grand mother was from Salisaw , Arkansas close to Mena, mena had a resort "Queen Willamina" i think this train passed through here, i remember the whistle, and the bell chiming on it, very old early 1900's, it traveled a scenic route.
Muchas gracias por hacer un video dedicado a los Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México, debes de ser uno de los pocos canales de youtube estadounidenses que han sacado un video, el cual esta dedicado a los Ferrocarriles Mexicanos que operaron entre 1937 a 1997, en 1997 se otorga la primera concesión a TFM la cual indicaba el comienzo del final de Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México y de los cuales solo queda FNML (Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México en Liquidación).
Thank you very much for making a video dedicated to the National Railways of Mexico, you must be one of the few American TH-cam channels that have released a video, which is dedicated to the Mexican Railways that operated between 1937 and 1997, in 1997 it was awarded the first concession to TFM which indicated the beginning of the end of Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México and of which only FNML (Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México in Liquidation) remains.
southern pacific had a south of the border , us , mex for many years . they built the line to mex city and from what i understand they swapped the mex city line for something else . i cant remember. great film.
also i rode the passenger train from mexicalli to gaudalahara and thence mex city. our train gog taken over by pilgrems going to the big catholic cathedrel in mex city. the rr had to make up a second section flying flags . mom said every thing lookd like trains that she rode when she was a chiled and the equipment was . this was in 1969 . i just got out of hospital and had a back cast on and what a adventure for a kid.
That was a great video. Thank you for recording that equipment. I'm impressed by all the passenger cars you were able to identify. Too bad about so much of this equipment "going there to die." Some of the ALCOs sure smoked it up. It's a shame more of the PAs didn't survive. I remember former Erie PAs on EL trains after the merger. I thought they looked strange then, but have come to really like them today.
Muchas gracias, Mel. The video here was shot for the four videos released through Pentrex back in the 90's and I had a ball doing all of that shooting. The employees were extremely helpful and I couldn't have done this without their assistance. There are some scenes in some of my other videos on You Tube from those trips to Mexico.
Ferrocarriles Nacionales De México ha sido y siempre será una de las empresas ferroviarias de todo México que desgraciadamente fue privatizada por el ex presidente Ernesto Zedillo en 1995 y por eso no hay trenes de pasajeros en México. Pero la buena noticia es que un legislador está interesado en el tema de los ferrocarriles y propuso una idea en la camara de diputados para traer de regreso el tren de pasajeros en México y es nieto de María Elena Marqués actriz de la época de oro del cine mexicano.
It was originally AT&SF #60L, when Santa Fe sent all of their PAs to the scrapper, Four were bought by the Delaware and Hudson Railroad and renumbered and rebuilt to PA4 spec. When their time was up, they were sold to a railroad in Mexico, two of the PAs were severely damaged in a derailment, one of which is now Nickel plate road 190 (EX-D&H18) (AT&SF #62L). The other is AT&SF 59L currently being restored in Texas. That beautiful orange PA is a heritage paint of the Southern Pacific daylight paint scheme. Which EX-D&H17 is currently wearing.
@@buckman2011 Just curious, what exactly did the rebuilding by MK to PA4 spec entail? I know they swapped the 16-244s for 12-251s, which massively increased reliability at a cost of 400 hp.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 My understanding is that the biggest change was indeed the prime movers, they swapped them out to the more reliable V12-251s. Outside of that I don’t know. I’d imagine others modifications took place to fit the needs of the Delaware and Hudson.
Thank you - glad you enjoyed. Yes, one of the guys. I produced around 80 shows for Pentrex. If you liked the Mexico stuff you should see the four shows on Mexican railroading I did for them.
We're you by chance with the PENTREX crew when these were taken? I also noticed a few extra scenes that weren't shown in the final videos. Do you have more by chance?
@@colinmulder6806 Thanks for the nice compliment. Shot too many to list but around 80 videos all told including ones that were done as a team when chasing steam from one city to the next. Did this for about 12 years after a career at ABC News.
@@danielhadley4884 Worked for ABC News before Pentrex? No wonder where you gained the expertise & experience. Does this mean you even worked on tapes featuring Santa Fe?
@@colinmulder6806 SF Arizona Mainline, Across The Heartland, SF Mojave Main, New Mexico Main Clovis Sub, NM Main Gallup Sub, Countdown to Merger Marceline Sub, Raton Pass
You could purchase a copy of Mexico's Pacifico Railroad from Pentrex and listen to the sounds all you like with no music or narration. The point was to offer this as a music video, not a railfan's show. dlh
I really hope we don't lose all of these historic locomotives because of Mexico's heartless government destroying the Yacutan railroad museum and turning it into a park that probably no one will visit.
México imports them... The only "Méxican" model is the C30-7, 200 units for México are acquired in 90´s. After the privatization, they sold to Brazil and Cuba, with a lot of passenger cars. A few survivals can see in museums of abandoned rails. Some stil operating in Ferrovalle and Ferromex.
I think the biggest reason privatization took place was because of NAFTA, which seemed to have put a lot of pressure on Mexico to improve its rail infrastructure as it was decades behind the US and Canada in equipment and operations.
Por qué los ferrocarriles qué son de ferrocarriles nacionales de México porque además preguntan a los trenes canadienses y estadounidenses por ejemplo el CN Rail Y D&H Railroad y BC Rail
En este momento de la historia de los ferrocarriles mexicanos había escasez de locomotoras operables. Un suministro de usados estaba fácilmente disponible en los ferrocarriles de Canadá y EE. UU. A precios de ganga.
As a student in Mexico, I had traveled occasionally by train, always a grand adventure. Later, I used to take tourist groups to Mexico. One year we took the Pullman train from Mexico City to Guadalajara. The cars had seen their better days, but then so had some of us. The end of Mexican passenger service was coming to an end and maintenance confirmed the fact. Instructions in the bedrooms and bathrooms were in English, covered by multiple coats of paint. The fold-down beds were not top notch but it was a great adventure never to be forgotten. One of the gentleman in the group mentioned that last time on a train similar to this one was when he returned from WWII. Shortly after, the train service was discontinued.
❤❤🎉🎉
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I worked for National Railway Equipment in the early 90s.
I remember having a contract for a while, where we sold “reconditioned” parts and leased a few EMD locomotives to Mexico.
When they came back, every one was full of beer cans and tequila bottles in the cab and engine compartment.😁🙈
My father was half Brasilian....he had some friends that worked for this line...I remember back in the 1980s we visited one of his friends....he actually invited us in the locomotive at the time my father was a trainman/switchman for CNW....I will never forget when the conductor brought up a 12 pack...we stopped in a siding and the conductor made a fire....we all ate good...tacos de lengua, tripa and piscado....
Mexico was the place to go to see old locomotives.
then, privatization destroyed it
Well I'll be buggered, Mopac and MKT power still waving the flag a long way from home, to say nothing of the gorgeous old Alco PA.
That skeleton PA is now in Frisco, TX being restored to her Santa Fe identity, as PA-59L. It's good to see one of the PAs still going strong.
I actually think that that one, which had suffered fire damage in Mexico, is now in Scranton, PA, as Doyle McCormick's Nickel Plate 190. I believe Santa Fe 59 is the former D&H 16, which was also on the Empalme deadline but was in much worse shape, having been involved in a rollover while in Mexico
Great documentary remember seen an f series emd on the CHP former Kansas City Mexico & Orient Chih. roundhouse in late 60s
John Benson (a.k.a Mr. Slides) used to make a lot of trips to Mexico. He was the one who suggested that DH-17 be repainted in the SP Daylight scheme.
i really miss those days when i was a kid growing up in mexico.every other weekend we will go to see my grandparents and we will take the train.great memories when the train will stop at smaler towns ans we will buy all kind of suveniers and local delicious food.
Wow I saw a old LIRR ALCO C420 locomotive still belching smoke in your video. It's nice to know someone took charge of the ole Iron when our own roads gave up on them. Thanks Daniel H. I got a little choked up, maybe a cinder or two got in my eye lol 😂👍👍
Hey Gregory - Your words explain exactly why I put this video together. Thank you.
Really beautiful and colored equipment they had !
Wow! I remember seeing this at Eastrail in NJ back around 2000. It’s even better than I remember it. Thanks for sharing it here.
I am glad I found this video, it brings great memories Mexico's railroads. The Willie Nelson song fitted in perfectly.
Thanks Cliff. I'm also glad you found this. We had a great trip down there and at the right time before all of this changed so dramatically.
That Alco PA running as FNM DH-17 is just gorgeous. How I miss the days of the 50's and 60's when you could see these and F units in action here in the US along side of the highways. And as for Willie Nelson, he could make singing the Yellow Pages a #1 hit!
After the EL merger in 1960 you'd see PAs and E8s lashed together. Very interesting mis-matched motive power. Towards the end EL would hook anything that ran together. It made for interesting combinations.
That PA-1 is pristine!
Just found this video-Fantastic! Oh, how I wish I could have been on that journey. I am lucky to see Doyle's PA up here in Portland re done as NKP #190. I have put videos of it on, and my N scale re-creations of what I hope it will look like on the main line in the not too distant future. This was great footage , thank you so much. I missed a great opportunity in 1985 to be on a track geometry survey of N de M like we did for Amtrak in 1984. The Sept 8.1 magnitude quake killed over 10,000 people and laid waste the rail system. No trip that year....
Day after Christmas, 1978, I was in Sharonville , OHIO and there was a solid blue DH U30C with a very small DH lettering on it's way to Mexico.
Very cool that you caught that. Those old warriors lasted for another ten yerars pulling freight in Mexico.
These were the good old days. Thankfully all four PAs that went to Mexico were saved; two remain in a Mexican Railway Museum, while the other two were sent back to the US and are under restoration at two different locations.
The PA's were the most stylish diesel loco.
*Thanks for the update... Was wondering how many still remained? I know one was operational down there for a while - They'd occasionally fire it up. Doyle McCormick got a hold of one of them ...*
@@JungleYT Doyle is selling his PA.
@@davidng2336 Did he get it running yet? Sounded like he just had to do some more electrical work?
@@JungleYT From what I heard in the news, there’s still work to do. Genesee Valley Transportation will finish the work, then run the 190 in excursion service.
I love this, I remember a train that passed through the OUACHITA NATIONAL forest in Mena ARKANSAS, I think it was called the # 9, it was very old probably a steam engine, the old people would ride it just to hear the whistle blow, my son inlaw's grand mother was from Salisaw , Arkansas close to Mena, mena had a resort "Queen Willamina" i think this train passed through here, i remember the whistle, and the bell chiming on it, very old early 1900's, it traveled a scenic route.
What a blessing to see this. It's like going home.
This is from Pentrex's Railroading in Mexico tapes. These are my favorite Pentrex films.
Mine too.
Muchas gracias por hacer un video dedicado a los Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México, debes de ser uno de los pocos canales de youtube estadounidenses que han sacado un video, el cual esta dedicado a los Ferrocarriles Mexicanos que operaron entre 1937 a 1997, en 1997 se otorga la primera concesión a TFM la cual indicaba el comienzo del final de Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México y de los cuales solo queda FNML (Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México en Liquidación).
Thank you very much for making a video dedicated to the National Railways of Mexico, you must be one of the few American TH-cam channels that have released a video, which is dedicated to the Mexican Railways that operated between 1937 and 1997, in 1997 it was awarded the first concession to TFM which indicated the beginning of the end of Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México and of which only FNML (Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México in Liquidation) remains.
I'm glad you captured some great clips of the PA's in action, especially the one in the Daylight Limited livery!
I worked in the RR for a few years and a steel mill plus a Mexican background I LIKE THE VIDEO AND WILLIE NELSON!!
Excellent!!!
Ferrocarriles Nacionales de México Ayer, Hoy y Siempre!!!
National Railways of Mexico Yesterday, Today and Always!!!
Exceptional job!
southern pacific had a south of the border , us , mex for many years . they built the line to mex city and from what i understand they swapped the mex city line for something else . i cant remember. great film.
That was awesome 😎
I love the p/fa units, aswell as the u and b boats and the alco century diesiels
also i rode the passenger train from mexicalli to gaudalahara and thence mex city. our train gog taken over by pilgrems going to the big catholic cathedrel in mex city. the rr had to make up a second section flying flags . mom said every thing lookd like trains that she rode when she was a chiled and the equipment was . this was in 1969 . i just got out of hospital and had a back cast on and what a adventure for a kid.
That was a great video. Thank you for recording that equipment. I'm impressed by all the passenger cars you were able to identify. Too bad about so much of this equipment "going there to die." Some of the ALCOs sure smoked it up. It's a shame more of the PAs didn't survive. I remember former Erie PAs on EL trains after the merger. I thought they looked strange then, but have come to really like them today.
ENCORE, ENCORE, UNO MAS
Muchas gracias, Mel. The video here was shot for the four videos released through Pentrex back in the 90's and I had a ball doing all of that shooting. The employees were extremely helpful and I couldn't have done this without their assistance. There are some scenes in some of my other videos on You Tube from those trips to Mexico.
A Fine video. Hello Dan.
That was great.
Beautiful 👍
0:25: Former SP Sunset Limited blunt-end 10-6 sleeper (Budd, 1950)
Chulada de recopilación y la rola está perrona! 😀👍
I like this! thank you!
Great video thank you 😊
Hello! May I use these images in a TH-cam video with credit?
Of course you may use the images. Thanks for asking.
Awesome
Muy Bueno!
Ferrocarriles Nacionales De México ha sido y siempre será una de las empresas ferroviarias de todo México que desgraciadamente fue privatizada por el ex presidente Ernesto Zedillo en 1995 y por eso no hay trenes de pasajeros en México.
Pero la buena noticia es que un legislador está interesado en el tema de los ferrocarriles y propuso una idea en la camara de diputados para traer de regreso el tren de pasajeros en México y es nieto de María Elena Marqués actriz de la época de oro del cine mexicano.
Are those bullet shots on the 7703?
Nice. I wonder what the ancestry on the freshly painted FNM Alco might have been.
It was originally AT&SF #60L, when Santa Fe sent all of their PAs to the scrapper, Four were bought by the Delaware and Hudson Railroad and renumbered and rebuilt to PA4 spec. When their time was up, they were sold to a railroad in Mexico, two of the PAs were severely damaged in a derailment, one of which is now Nickel plate road 190 (EX-D&H18) (AT&SF #62L). The other is AT&SF 59L currently being restored in Texas. That beautiful orange PA is a heritage paint of the Southern Pacific daylight paint scheme. Which EX-D&H17 is currently wearing.
@@buckman2011 Just curious, what exactly did the rebuilding by MK to PA4 spec entail? I know they swapped the 16-244s for 12-251s, which massively increased reliability at a cost of 400 hp.
@@blackbirdgaming8147 My understanding is that the biggest change was indeed the prime movers, they swapped them out to the more reliable V12-251s. Outside of that I don’t know. I’d imagine others modifications took place to fit the needs of the Delaware and Hudson.
liked video
Very interested I like ride a train in mexico
Boy it looks like they don't take the best of care of their equipment at all!
I do believe a bunch of ex via(cn) passenger cars went there
Whats interesting is there are 251 Alco's and 567 & 645 Emd's running ... NO GE's! Guess that is telling which designs passed the test of time :)
There were plenty of GE's running but they were newer units purchased directly, not hand me down former US diesels.
Now...they all went to Cuba.
If I had the money I would buy those PA units and take it back to USA to get it restored
Excellent video! Were you one of the camera guys for Pentrex? I think I recognize some of those clips from "Those Incredible Alcos".
Thank you - glad you enjoyed. Yes, one of the guys. I produced around 80 shows for Pentrex. If you liked the Mexico stuff you should see the four shows on Mexican railroading I did for them.
We're you by chance with the PENTREX crew when these were taken? I also noticed a few extra scenes that weren't shown in the final videos. Do you have more by chance?
yes, I was the one who shot these videos for pentrex
@@danielhadley4884 Amazing. What other videos did you shot for them? Your videography skills are SUPERB.
@@colinmulder6806 Thanks for the nice compliment. Shot too many to list but around 80 videos all told including ones that were done as a team when chasing steam from one city to the next. Did this for about 12 years after a career at ABC News.
@@danielhadley4884 Worked for ABC News before Pentrex? No wonder where you gained the expertise & experience. Does this mean you even worked on tapes featuring Santa Fe?
@@colinmulder6806 SF Arizona Mainline, Across The Heartland, SF Mojave Main, New Mexico Main Clovis Sub, NM Main Gallup Sub, Countdown to Merger Marceline Sub, Raton Pass
With all due respect to Willie, it would have been a much better video if we could have heard the sounds of these old locomotives instead.
You could purchase a copy of Mexico's Pacifico Railroad from Pentrex and listen to the sounds all you like with no music or narration. The point was to offer this as a music video, not a railfan's show. dlh
@@danielhadley4884Thanks, I'll do that! 🙂
I really hope we don't lose all of these historic locomotives because of Mexico's heartless government destroying the Yacutan railroad museum and turning it into a park that probably no one will visit.
Mexican locomotives look like American locomotives
México imports them... The only "Méxican" model is the C30-7, 200 units for México are acquired in 90´s. After the privatization, they sold to Brazil and Cuba, with a lot of passenger cars. A few survivals can see in museums of abandoned rails. Some stil operating in Ferrovalle and Ferromex.
Was hoping to actually hear those PA's chugging. Couldn't because of that music.
I wish Mexico never privatized their railroads
it could've been like Cuban railways if ferromex never existed
I think the biggest reason privatization took place was because of NAFTA, which seemed to have put a lot of pressure on Mexico to improve its rail infrastructure as it was decades behind the US and Canada in equipment and operations.
@@thehernandezmediacorporation oh no, not NAFTA
it’s mexico no money no care for old relics
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Por qué los ferrocarriles qué son de ferrocarriles nacionales de México porque además preguntan a los trenes canadienses y estadounidenses por ejemplo el CN Rail Y D&H Railroad y BC Rail
En este momento de la historia de los ferrocarriles mexicanos había escasez de locomotoras operables. Un suministro de usados estaba fácilmente disponible en los ferrocarriles de Canadá y EE. UU. A precios de ganga.
the big nothing sent their fp7's and fp9's there
Music made this unwatchable.
Why?
A lot of those shots seemed to have sounds to them... too bad the song covered them up. Other than that, nice!
I think they ran this stuff... into the ditches....very basic and little maintainence!
TF
0:40 Are we all gne sit here and act like the cartels aint put a hit on 7703