Thanks man, appreciate the comment. Big fan of your videos - they really helped me when I was getting started on TH-cam 👍 Which lens are you going to get? Made a decision yet?
I purchased the Sony 85mm 1.8 FE a few years back when there weren't nearly as many options, but now after seeing your comparison the Zeiss is actually really tempting. I never found the design of the Zeiss to be that appealing, but overall quality... tough battle between that and the new sigma.
Phenomenal review, I spend too long on TH-cam and watch content all day long. This video stands out head and shoulders. Really great quality production and incredible communication of the information. Well done, new fan.
I too bought a Samyang 85mm lens and it had issue with the eye detection. Despite the camera telling me that Eye AF was perfect, images imported to Lightroom were out of focus by a large margin. Got it replaced by the dealer and the new lens focussed fairly better. But, sometimes images turn out blurry despite the Eye AF
This kind of hole price and aperture range comparison are so helpful and compact! Couldn't believe your subscriber count but did my part to raise it! One question: where does your Sony FE 85/1.8 have a rubber seal at the lens mount?? All the other reviews I watched about it showed that there is no rubber sealing!? And I would love the same type of video for the nifty fiftys! All in all very good work and with this quality you'll get to 100k in no time.
Thanks! Really glad you've found it useful! It has a small seal around the metal mount (against the plastic part). 50mm's are on the to-do list - just waiting for Sigma to release their updates version (whenever that's going to happen) before I get stuck in. Thanks for the sub - really appreciate the support!
@@TomCalton Thanks for your quick reply! So you would take it out in the rain the same as the zeiss or sigma? Because non sufficient weather sealing would be a dealbreaker for me, even at the compelling price point! And does the same goes for the Sony 35/1.8?
Personally, I'd be scared to take any lens and camera combo out in the rain as I wouldn't want to push the limits of what they can do 😅 But, if this is a must for you, I'd always recommend checking on the manufacturers website to see what they suggest what it can safely handle. I've never personally tested how weather resistant lenses actually are so I'm not qualified to tell you what they can or cannot withstand. 😊
Tom, it blows my mind how each Friday, you videos get better and better! Bravo on this test. It's by far the best comparison on TH-cam - second to none! Question.... What are you recording your Sony view finder with and where can I get my hands on one? Cheers dude!
Thanks dude, really appreciate the kindess! This one was a lot of work but we've had it in the pipeline for a while now. Glad everyone is enjoying it. We record the screen footage using an Atomos Ninja Flame. You should be able to get one off Amazon, though I bought ours for cheap in an auction. Hope this helps!
Inspired by this excellent comparison video, I rented the Batis for 3 wedding video shoots last week, paired with my SONY FS5. Here is my 2 cents. 1. Optics: I have no complaint at all. 2. Handling: this is where this lens threw me off. The focus throw is REALLY long, and because the ring is not textured but smooth, it was very difficult to hold onto it and nail focus in time, especially when aperture is wide open. After all, this is a photography lens first. 3. Lack of AF/MF switch: FS5 has its own toggle switch so it was not an issue for me, although I don't know who relies on FS5's autofocus 😂 4. Focal length: pairing the lens with a super35 sensor means you get a full-frame equivalent of about 127mm and that is long. Certainly not as versatile as, say, 24-70mm but when you need that extra reach, it's there. 5. OIS: FS5 (which lacks IBIS) was always on a monopod, but I did see how the lens' OIS giving extra stability. I didn't notice any weird stutter, either. I might try renting the Tokina for this weekend and if I do, I will report back. Thanks Tom for such a comprehensive review!
Excellent comparison - very well laid out! The Tokina was a surprise. I amost picked up the Sony GM but ended up swinging for the Sony FE 1.8 due to the faster and quieter AF, and absolutely love it. I’m also a fan of Sigma and am curious to check out that newer 85mm.
Sigma are on to a winner with the DG DN Series. Hopefully, they roll out the DG DN treatment across the rest of the focal lengths in their current art series and are able to keep the prices similar
Hi, I’ve bought the Tokina and the Viltrox to compare them in photos and videos. In the end I found very little difference if any between the 2 (maybe at 1.8) . The Viltrox being lighter and cheaper is a great advantage. I think they are based upon the same base in the same factory.
Supposedly, Tokina licensed the design from Viltrox and then tweaked it. If you look at photos of them side by side, it's really obvious. However, the Tokina version is MUCH sharper than the Viltrox (don't take my word for it, download my lens charts using the link in the description and compare for yourself!).
@@TomCalton well it is probably due to sample variation from copy to copy. Mines are identical except at 1.8 where the Viltrox seems brighter and the Tokina sharper as if one is more like f1.8 and the other f2. If Tokina were that better I’d kept it but I don’t find it.
Did you do a lens chart test or just test them in the real world? In the real world, it's very difficult to pick most lenses apart unless you really pixel peep. For me, testing the lens at its maximum aperture is the key. Every lens gets sharper as you close it down - it's a given. But if the lens is pin sharp wide open then that's the mark of a good lens. Why own a fast prime if you can't shoot wide open without the results looking soft? Know what I mean?
@@TomCalton yes I understand and it is where chart test doesn't mean everything to me. Real life application and I'm not filming or taking pics wide open every time. 1.8 on a 85 mm is already plenty I don't understand the need of a 1.4 on this focal lenght. To each his own
A lens chart is a controlled test that allows you to more decisively compare the sharpness (amid other qualities) of a lens. Your original statement was that you saw no difference between the two lenses, suggesting that my conclusion was either flawed or incorrect. Though, you then admit that you didn't test your lenses in a controlled environment, so your comparison doesn't seem entirely fair. I agree with you (and I even state in the video) in real life, minor differences are much harder to spot, which is why lens tests are important to those who care about getting the "best" lens possible, as it's a more accurate test with far less variables that could influence the sharpness, contrast, colours, etc etc. I'm merely here to provide evidence and my own, unbiased opinion based off my experience handling the lenses I test, which will hopefully be useful in aiding others to come to their own conclusion. But for you to suggest that two lenses are 'identical' without conducting a proper, fair test yourself, despite seeing my evidence that WAS conducted in a controlled manner that clearly shows the opposite to what you claim maybe somewhat unhelpful to those reading these comments and trying to come to a decision. I hope you don't find offence to this and I'm sure it wasn't you intention to mislead anyone. Just thought I needed to clarify my position.
HI Is there a reason why the Lensbaby velvet 80mm f/1.8 is not in the list? I am asking because I am looking for a portrait lens and had an eye on this one.
Hey Felix. It wasn't included as it's a MF lens only. As the title of the video suggests, this test was looking at all of the AF lenses available for Sony E-Mount. If I included all of the MF lenses too it would have been too much. Maybe one for another video though?
Great video and a lot of work to make this comparison ! For bokeh tests it would be nice to see some challenging conditions like foliage. That's the condition where a lot of lenses struggle. And in studio all lenses do a very good job for bokeh.
@@TomCalton another question. I am thinking about upgrading my old sigma to new sigma. Does the distortion of the new sigma gives lots of trouble for video (like overheating for the camera, difficult to correct distortion etc)?
Hi!! This video is just what I was looking for! Thank you for such great comparison :) I have just one question... I have noticed that some of the lenses are FE mount, my camera is E mount. This would mean that instead of having an 85 mm I would be getting the result of a 125 mm, right? (Meaning my background would be closer?)
Tom, great review, I am sold now in principle on the Tokina for my A7III - however what are the differences to the Tokina TO1-ATXMII85E 85mm ? I simply cannot find any info on the 2 models except on the price
Hi David. I'll be honest, I've never heard of the Tokina TO1-ATXMII85E 85mm - can you point me to where you can see this lens for sale? I feel like it might be a typo as (to my knowledge) there's only one Tokina 85mm f/1.8 for Sony E-Mount.
I just saw your comment - I'm assuming TH-cam automatically deleted because it was a link and thought it was spam. Anyway, I had a look at the lens that was on Amazon.de that you described - it is in fact the same lens as the one in this test. I'd imagine it's just a typo.
although I'm not a sony shooter, love this lens comparison and all the 85mm option sony has. but wow, that samyang does have quite a bit of colour cast. THat's too bad about the focus issues on a few of the lens. Great review!
Can't wait to see what the Sigma 35mm 1.4 DG DN ART is going to be like! Nokishita tweeted that it will be the next Sigma lens to be announced. I guess no 70-200 yet :( Having all the Art glass would be amazing
After watching many many 85 1.8 reviews I went with the Tokina. So few reviews on the Tokina. You helped me make that final choice with your last 85 review.
Awesome! Glad the videos were useful! I agree - not enough people are talking about the Tokina and I really don't understand why!? It's a fantastic lens at such a good price! Are you enjoying yours?
I've noticed the same thing with samyang, where I think I'm good but in zoom in lightroom and it's off... From full size thu it looks ok but still annoying
Hmmm, very weird! This Samyang lens has a cult following online - so say anything bad about it at your own peril. The price is fantastic, but I don't think it's the God-tier lens everyone makes it out to be - unfortunately. It's definitely not bad - just not deserving of all the hype, IMHO.
Good question. It kinda depends. If you need a silent AF motor, the Zeiss is a great choice - it also comes with optical IS, which is a nice bonus for video work. Otherwise, I'd go for the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DG DN for the manual aperture ring, great image quality and overall brilliant design.
@@TomCalton I just rented both the Viltrox and Tokina a few minutes ago. They will be here next week. Best way to see for myself and go from there. Although I do quite like the Samyang 75 f/1,8 I just got. Picked it up for $239 on a Prime Day deal. An absolute steal.
Smart man - great idea! See what you think and be sure to let me know your opinions! Wow, that's very cheap! I haven't tried the 75mm before, but I've never had much luck with Samyang lenses in the past. Still waiting to find that one epic find. Thought the 85mm was the one after all the hype online but I was super disappointed by it 👎
@@TomCalton I have no complaints with the 75. The way it renders, the colors, bokeh, AF speed...all very good. Also has that switch on it. Mode 1 is for MF and Mode 2 controls your aperture. An awesome feature on such a cheap lens. Its very small and lightweight too. Reminds me of a M43 prime. Really enjoy the 75mm focal length too as 85mm can feel too tight sometimes. Easily worth the money.
Thank you! Oh believe me, it's coming! Though, there are something like 16(ish) 35mm's on the market for Sony E-Mount at the moment, so it's going to be a big one 😅
Samyang owner here - had the exact same issue when taking some portrait shots of myself and girlfriend. Seems connected to the eye and or face AF only because when I shoot objects the lens is banging. I don't do many portraits so it's fine by me but yes, something to be aware of. One day I'll have the docking station and I'll upgrade the firmware, maybe that'll fix it? But not great out of the box.
As much as I love comparison videos it do bother me very few overall creators of these videos take into consideration the cost Vs. Bang for buck factor... If a 2000$ lens our perform a 700$ lens... That's fine but if it's out perform the 700$ lens with very very little... Is the price difference justified when taking performance into consideration? Or would the 700$ lens be better because of its much lower price?
I think that's for the individual to decide. In these tests I can only score based off evidence. But when it comes to deciding whether something is worth the pricetag or not, that is entirely down to the individual as there are waaaaay too many variables to consider. What's the persons budget like? Are they a pro or a hobbiest? Which characteristics of a lens do they consider to be the most important? Etc etc. And because of this, there isn't always a single answer that will be correct for absolutely everyone.
Although the focal lengths are similar, these lenses are totally different tools. The Sigma 85mm is best option for portraits and low light work. The Sony 90mm is better for macro work. What kind of photography do you mainly shoot?
The 90mm will be good enough for portraits, but you won't get the super thick, creamy bokeh you would get with the 85mm when shooting wide open. The question is, what is more important to you - capturing portraits with a super shallow depth of field, or being able to shoot macro as well as portraits?
So amazing this review and yes it’s true. The Tokina 85mm f1.8 is extremely sharp i was shocked when I shot my first pictures with this lens that I buy for just 299€. Yes it has one negative aspect and that’s the firmware update process you must send it to Tokina to get an update. But if it’s done it’s one of the best Sony e-mount lenses that I ever had.
If I’m not watching this review, I almost take Samyang. That seems Tokina will be in my check out soon for best budget and value. Terima kasih for your effort! Greetings from 🇮🇩 Indonesian subscriber.
Thank you man 🙏🏾 Just got the Tokina at crazy bargain $299. I was going to get the SamYang but it seems I dodged a bullet. Never even knew about the Tokina until this review so thank you.
Tokina seems to be the best value for the money. Well balanced in most aspects. No major issues like the Samyang. 2nd sharpest of the bunch, autofocus is on par with the bast. A little heavier than the Sony by 200 grams, but the used Sony, Viltrox and Tokina are all similar in price.
I just purchased the sigma dg dn because of this video. I've had a 35mm sigma years ago for Nikon crop and I loved it...so thank you for this video. You helped me choose!!
@@TomCalton Can't recommend the Tokina enough. The results are incredible. Pictures are incredible sharp in the middle at 1.8. The weight might be the only issue, but I don't care cause I'm shooting handheld anyway. That lense is sooo sharp. I bought the Limited Sony Edition. Thanks again for your test. So useful!
@@TomCalton can you pls. Suggest a focal length to achieve full body photo of fashion male models as seen on Instagram with smooth bokeh while they walk on road or street wearing something nice! And the background is total milky blur
To get a super thick blur on a full length portrait you'll need a long lens - something like a 135mm f/1.8 would do it. Though, because it's a long lens you'll need to be quite a way away from them when you shoot, which can be tricky. If that sounds like too much hassle then an 85mm f/1.8 or f/1.4 would do a good enough job and would mean you wouldn't need to stand quite as far away. I hope this helps!
@@TomCalton But I am asking specific to Instagram posts where vertical photos are prime and 80mm focal length is quite tricky as it covers very less space on both sides so doesn't fit on Instagram
Thanks for watching! In terms of image quality and performance, the Zeiss is fantastic! It's just very expensive for an f/1.8 lens. If you can get a decent second hand copy of it though...
as all my other lens are 67mm filter threads, I am debating between sony FE and zeiss.........trying to get a preowned one. which do you think is a better buy??
It's a manual focus only lens, so doesn't really fit in to this test unfortunately as these are all AF lenses. Probably should have clarified at the start of the video - apologies!
@@TomCalton 😇 I am only still photographer, so I never use video (I hate video). IF I was going to get a 85mm Lens, I think the best one will be the Zeiss Batis for me, but I have several short tele Lenses, fx the Excellent Voigtländer 65mm Macro APO Lanthar with outstanding image quality and the Sony 135mm 1.8 GM.
You do the best reviews for actual buyers
Thanks man, appreciate the comment. Big fan of your videos - they really helped me when I was getting started on TH-cam 👍
Which lens are you going to get? Made a decision yet?
Wife: "What are you watching??"
Me: "Its a camera lens comparison - I swear!"
* frantically closing browser tab as wife walks in *
Sony 85mm 1.8 Fe vs Tokina 85mm ? Which one do you suggest?
I purchased the Sony 85mm 1.8 FE a few years back when there weren't nearly as many options, but now after seeing your comparison the Zeiss is actually really tempting. I never found the design of the Zeiss to be that appealing, but overall quality... tough battle between that and the new sigma.
Phenomenal review, I spend too long on TH-cam and watch content all day long. This video stands out head and shoulders. Really great quality production and incredible communication of the information. Well done, new fan.
I too bought a Samyang 85mm lens and it had issue with the eye detection. Despite the camera telling me that Eye AF was perfect, images imported to Lightroom were out of focus by a large margin. Got it replaced by the dealer and the new lens focussed fairly better. But, sometimes images turn out blurry despite the Eye AF
Do the tokina have AF issue on low light ? I saw the issue from the official youtube channel review from tokina
I have the same question!
This kind of hole price and aperture range comparison are so helpful and compact! Couldn't believe your subscriber count but did my part to raise it! One question: where does your Sony FE 85/1.8 have a rubber seal at the lens mount?? All the other reviews I watched about it showed that there is no rubber sealing!? And I would love the same type of video for the nifty fiftys! All in all very good work and with this quality you'll get to 100k in no time.
Thanks! Really glad you've found it useful!
It has a small seal around the metal mount (against the plastic part).
50mm's are on the to-do list - just waiting for Sigma to release their updates version (whenever that's going to happen) before I get stuck in.
Thanks for the sub - really appreciate the support!
@@TomCalton Thanks for your quick reply! So you would take it out in the rain the same as the zeiss or sigma? Because non sufficient weather sealing would be a dealbreaker for me, even at the compelling price point! And does the same goes for the Sony 35/1.8?
Personally, I'd be scared to take any lens and camera combo out in the rain as I wouldn't want to push the limits of what they can do 😅
But, if this is a must for you, I'd always recommend checking on the manufacturers website to see what they suggest what it can safely handle. I've never personally tested how weather resistant lenses actually are so I'm not qualified to tell you what they can or cannot withstand. 😊
Every single 85mm E-Mount lens - LETS DO THIS! 💪
Great video, would be interesting if you displayed the results of the 1.4 lenses shot at f/1.8 together with the other f/1.8 lenses
Jaw-droppingly excellent video Tom. Just superb, on a number of levels.
Thank you, very kind of you. Glad you enjoyed it ☺️
Great review. Was just missing if the lens has OSS in the spread sheet…
Tom, it blows my mind how each Friday, you videos get better and better! Bravo on this test. It's by far the best comparison on TH-cam - second to none!
Question....
What are you recording your Sony view finder with and where can I get my hands on one?
Cheers dude!
Thanks dude, really appreciate the kindess!
This one was a lot of work but we've had it in the pipeline for a while now. Glad everyone is enjoying it.
We record the screen footage using an Atomos Ninja Flame. You should be able to get one off Amazon, though I bought ours for cheap in an auction. Hope this helps!
Really useful stuff. Love the mix of technical information and the effort to make all the same shots for comparisons. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoyed the video 🤜🤛
Inspired by this excellent comparison video, I rented the Batis for 3 wedding video shoots last week, paired with my SONY FS5. Here is my 2 cents.
1. Optics: I have no complaint at all.
2. Handling: this is where this lens threw me off. The focus throw is REALLY long, and because the ring is not textured but smooth, it was very difficult to hold onto it and nail focus in time, especially when aperture is wide open. After all, this is a photography lens first.
3. Lack of AF/MF switch: FS5 has its own toggle switch so it was not an issue for me, although I don't know who relies on FS5's autofocus 😂
4. Focal length: pairing the lens with a super35 sensor means you get a full-frame equivalent of about 127mm and that is long. Certainly not as versatile as, say, 24-70mm but when you need that extra reach, it's there.
5. OIS: FS5 (which lacks IBIS) was always on a monopod, but I did see how the lens' OIS giving extra stability. I didn't notice any weird stutter, either.
I might try renting the Tokina for this weekend and if I do, I will report back. Thanks Tom for such a comprehensive review!
Never seen a better review about all those competitor ❤️ so many relevant informations in such a short video, wow!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Been looking for an 85mm for my Sony this is the best comparison ever crazy this is the first time I see you channel! Already a subscriber
Welcome aboard! 🤜🤛
Excellent comparison - very well laid out! The Tokina was a surprise. I amost picked up the Sony GM but ended up swinging for the Sony FE 1.8 due to the faster and quieter AF, and absolutely love it. I’m also a fan of Sigma and am curious to check out that newer 85mm.
Great review. I’ve been debating between the Sigma and Zeiss. Gonna come down to whether or not I need the stabilization for video.
Thanks! That's a tough call - both are fantastic choices 👍
Sigma are on to a winner with the DG DN Series. Hopefully, they roll out the DG DN treatment across the rest of the focal lengths in their current art series and are able to keep the prices similar
I want a 135mm DG DN and I want it NOW!
I've got the 24-70 DG DN and I do enjoy it.
More Jazz in future videos please!! 🙏🏻 Good shout on the Tokina, I'm loving it, its that or the Sigma for me!
I don't know why more people aren't raving about this Tokina lens! Such a bargain option!
Hi, I’ve bought the Tokina and the Viltrox to compare them in photos and videos. In the end I found very little difference if any between the 2 (maybe at 1.8) . The Viltrox being lighter and cheaper is a great advantage. I think they are based upon the same base in the same factory.
Supposedly, Tokina licensed the design from Viltrox and then tweaked it. If you look at photos of them side by side, it's really obvious. However, the Tokina version is MUCH sharper than the Viltrox (don't take my word for it, download my lens charts using the link in the description and compare for yourself!).
@@TomCalton well it is probably due to sample variation from copy to copy. Mines are identical except at 1.8 where the Viltrox seems brighter and the Tokina sharper as if one is more like f1.8 and the other f2. If Tokina were that better I’d kept it but I don’t find it.
Did you do a lens chart test or just test them in the real world? In the real world, it's very difficult to pick most lenses apart unless you really pixel peep.
For me, testing the lens at its maximum aperture is the key. Every lens gets sharper as you close it down - it's a given. But if the lens is pin sharp wide open then that's the mark of a good lens. Why own a fast prime if you can't shoot wide open without the results looking soft? Know what I mean?
@@TomCalton yes I understand and it is where chart test doesn't mean everything to me. Real life application and I'm not filming or taking pics wide open every time. 1.8 on a 85 mm is already plenty I don't understand the need of a 1.4 on this focal lenght. To each his own
A lens chart is a controlled test that allows you to more decisively compare the sharpness (amid other qualities) of a lens. Your original statement was that you saw no difference between the two lenses, suggesting that my conclusion was either flawed or incorrect. Though, you then admit that you didn't test your lenses in a controlled environment, so your comparison doesn't seem entirely fair.
I agree with you (and I even state in the video) in real life, minor differences are much harder to spot, which is why lens tests are important to those who care about getting the "best" lens possible, as it's a more accurate test with far less variables that could influence the sharpness, contrast, colours, etc etc.
I'm merely here to provide evidence and my own, unbiased opinion based off my experience handling the lenses I test, which will hopefully be useful in aiding others to come to their own conclusion. But for you to suggest that two lenses are 'identical' without conducting a proper, fair test yourself, despite seeing my evidence that WAS conducted in a controlled manner that clearly shows the opposite to what you claim maybe somewhat unhelpful to those reading these comments and trying to come to a decision.
I hope you don't find offence to this and I'm sure it wasn't you intention to mislead anyone. Just thought I needed to clarify my position.
HI Is there a reason why the Lensbaby velvet 80mm f/1.8 is not in the list? I am asking because I am looking for a portrait lens and
had an eye on this one.
Hey Felix. It wasn't included as it's a MF lens only. As the title of the video suggests, this test was looking at all of the AF lenses available for Sony E-Mount. If I included all of the MF lenses too it would have been too much. Maybe one for another video though?
Hi, can you revisit the old Sigma 85mm f1.4 with the V0.2 firmware update?
Great video and a lot of work to make this comparison ! For bokeh tests it would be nice to see some challenging conditions like foliage. That's the condition where a lot of lenses struggle. And in studio all lenses do a very good job for bokeh.
Thanks for the feedback! It's a fair point - I'll definitely take this onboard for future reviews. 😁
Nice video! did you use rectangular softbox for the godox SL150? or a beauty dish?
I made this video a while ago now, but I think it was a small octabox.
@@TomCalton another question. I am thinking about upgrading my old sigma to new sigma. Does the distortion of the new sigma gives lots of trouble for video (like overheating for the camera, difficult to correct distortion etc)?
Hi, tell me there is a review planned for the Meike AF 85mm f/1.4 STM?
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you get an instant subscriber 💚
Thanks Jack - welcome aboard 🙌🏻
How?
Hi!! This video is just what I was looking for! Thank you for such great comparison :) I have just one question... I have noticed that some of the lenses are FE mount, my camera is E mount. This would mean that instead of having an 85 mm I would be getting the result of a 125 mm, right? (Meaning my background would be closer?)
Tom, great review, I am sold now in principle on the Tokina for my A7III - however what are the differences to the Tokina TO1-ATXMII85E 85mm ?
I simply cannot find any info on the 2 models except on the price
Hi David. I'll be honest, I've never heard of the Tokina TO1-ATXMII85E 85mm - can you point me to where you can see this lens for sale? I feel like it might be a typo as (to my knowledge) there's only one Tokina 85mm f/1.8 for Sony E-Mount.
I just saw your comment - I'm assuming TH-cam automatically deleted because it was a link and thought it was spam. Anyway, I had a look at the lens that was on Amazon.de that you described - it is in fact the same lens as the one in this test. I'd imagine it's just a typo.
so Tokina is the budget choice?
That's correct, yes.
great comprehensive and objective review... thanks!
Thanks for all these comparisons.
If i were to ever go Sony i've always had my eye on Samyangs 85 f1.4, but after this not any more
Thanks for watching!
The Samyang issue is a weird one. So many people swear by the 85mm f/1.4 - I've just never had a very good experience 🤷♂️
@@TomCalton have you tried the new version of the samyang 85 1.4?
Your channel is so underrated man keep up the good work 👍🏽
Thanks dude, much appreciated! 🤜🤛
although I'm not a sony shooter, love this lens comparison and all the 85mm option sony has. but wow, that samyang does have quite a bit of colour cast. THat's too bad about the focus issues on a few of the lens. Great review!
Can't wait to see what the Sigma 35mm 1.4 DG DN ART is going to be like! Nokishita tweeted that it will be the next Sigma lens to be announced. I guess no 70-200 yet :( Having all the Art glass would be amazing
Hopefully the rumours are true! A new 70-200mm f/2.8 would be a VERY welcome addition too. 2021 is looking like a great year for Sony lens releases!
After watching many many 85 1.8 reviews I went with the Tokina. So few reviews on the Tokina. You helped me make that final choice with your last 85 review.
Awesome! Glad the videos were useful!
I agree - not enough people are talking about the Tokina and I really don't understand why!? It's a fantastic lens at such a good price! Are you enjoying yours?
@@TomCalton Not quite yet. Still in shipping. But I will be in a couple more days.
@@iamhassan9943 any update on the tokina ? how do you like it so far?
Thank you for this review Tom! You always surprised me~ cheer bud!
Love ... love .. love the review, this is what I've been looking for. BIG Thanks
My pleasure! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
How about the Grandaddy of Sony A-Mount Minolta AF 85mm f/1.4 when used with the Sony A7m4, LA-EA5...
I've noticed the same thing with samyang, where I think I'm good but in zoom in lightroom and it's off... From full size thu it looks ok but still annoying
Hmmm, very weird! This Samyang lens has a cult following online - so say anything bad about it at your own peril. The price is fantastic, but I don't think it's the God-tier lens everyone makes it out to be - unfortunately. It's definitely not bad - just not deserving of all the hype, IMHO.
Do you think the Zeiss has more optical focal length in comparison of the other lenses ? Jason Lanier said this a couple of years ago
th-cam.com/video/KPNEsZMfz2o/w-d-xo.html
fantastic comparison, the charts part was brilliant.
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback 👌
And for vidéo , what is the best lens ?
Good question. It kinda depends. If you need a silent AF motor, the Zeiss is a great choice - it also comes with optical IS, which is a nice bonus for video work. Otherwise, I'd go for the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DG DN for the manual aperture ring, great image quality and overall brilliant design.
1:41 -chart w specs
13:31 -Results
I was about to fall in love with the samyang, until towards the end when you mentioned about its focusing issue.
Outstanding work to make this video👏
Much appreciated!
Thanks! It appears the Viltrox would be the best bang for the buck?
Definitely is. Though, if it were me, I'd go for the Tokina instead. Although it's a bit more expensive, image quality is greatly improved 👍
@@TomCalton I just rented both the Viltrox and Tokina a few minutes ago. They will be here next week. Best way to see for myself and go from there. Although I do quite like the Samyang 75 f/1,8 I just got. Picked it up for $239 on a Prime Day deal. An absolute steal.
Smart man - great idea! See what you think and be sure to let me know your opinions!
Wow, that's very cheap! I haven't tried the 75mm before, but I've never had much luck with Samyang lenses in the past. Still waiting to find that one epic find. Thought the 85mm was the one after all the hype online but I was super disappointed by it 👎
@@TomCalton I have no complaints with the 75. The way it renders, the colors, bokeh, AF speed...all very good. Also has that switch on it. Mode 1 is for MF and Mode 2 controls your aperture. An awesome feature on such a cheap lens. Its very small and lightweight too. Reminds me of a M43 prime. Really enjoy the 75mm focal length too as 85mm can feel too tight sometimes. Easily worth the money.
@@michaelbell75 hey bud which one did you like out of the tokina and voltrix
This video deserves more likes
Amazing job man!! Now can you please do it with all the 35 lens? But wait for thr new sigma 35 dg dn please
Thank you!
Oh believe me, it's coming! Though, there are something like 16(ish) 35mm's on the market for Sony E-Mount at the moment, so it's going to be a big one 😅
Awesome Video with a lot of detail
Thanks, appreciate the comment ☺️
Thanks for this hard work review. Haven't seen any video comparison like this yet.
Thanks for the comment - glad you liked it! 🤘
Hell yeah Tom! Great video!
Thanks bud, appreciate the comment! 💪
Thank you so much for this detailed and thorough comparison, you are an ASSET
You are putting great topics on lens.. I was searching for these titles only.
Glad you found it useful 😊
Awesome video! So much work put into it
Thank you! It was a bit of a mammoth task to piece it all together, but I'm glad everyone is enjoying the video! Thanks for watching 👍
Samyang owner here - had the exact same issue when taking some portrait shots of myself and girlfriend. Seems connected to the eye and or face AF only because when I shoot objects the lens is banging.
I don't do many portraits so it's fine by me but yes, something to be aware of. One day I'll have the docking station and I'll upgrade the firmware, maybe that'll fix it? But not great out of the box.
Thanks for sharing! Interesting that you think it might be linked to Eye AF. Hopefully the firmware update sorts it out 👍
As much as I love comparison videos it do bother me very few overall creators of these videos take into consideration the cost Vs. Bang for buck factor... If a 2000$ lens our perform a 700$ lens... That's fine but if it's out perform the 700$ lens with very very little... Is the price difference justified when taking performance into consideration? Or would the 700$ lens be better because of its much lower price?
I think that's for the individual to decide. In these tests I can only score based off evidence. But when it comes to deciding whether something is worth the pricetag or not, that is entirely down to the individual as there are waaaaay too many variables to consider. What's the persons budget like? Are they a pro or a hobbiest? Which characteristics of a lens do they consider to be the most important? Etc etc.
And because of this, there isn't always a single answer that will be correct for absolutely everyone.
How can we compare the sigma 85 1.4 dg dn with sony 90 2.8 macro ?
Please help me choose
Although the focal lengths are similar, these lenses are totally different tools. The Sigma 85mm is best option for portraits and low light work. The Sony 90mm is better for macro work. What kind of photography do you mainly shoot?
@@TomCalton i mainly do portraits and these days i’m also looking to explore macro photography, so i’m kind of confused what to choose
The 90mm will be good enough for portraits, but you won't get the super thick, creamy bokeh you would get with the 85mm when shooting wide open. The question is, what is more important to you - capturing portraits with a super shallow depth of field, or being able to shoot macro as well as portraits?
@@TomCalton i would prefer the super shallow depth of field for portraits, alternatively could you suggest a best & budget friendly macro lens
Always good to see you doubt everything and test it yourself! Lots of 'But's is good. Need more!
Thanks brother! Appreciate the support as always! 🤘
The Samyang does include a gasket. Look at the commentary on the Christopher Frost review.
So amazing this review and yes it’s true. The Tokina 85mm f1.8 is extremely sharp i was shocked when I shot my first pictures with this lens that I buy for just 299€. Yes it has one negative aspect and that’s the firmware update process you must send it to Tokina to get an update. But if it’s done it’s one of the best Sony e-mount lenses that I ever had.
Brilliant thanks for your hard work!
My pleasure! Thanks for the kindness
Good job ! Is it possible to have one with all 35mm ? 😃
Thanks Kevin. It's coming, don't you worry! 😁
If I’m not watching this review, I almost take Samyang. That seems Tokina will be in my check out soon for best budget and value. Terima kasih for your effort! Greetings from 🇮🇩 Indonesian subscriber.
Good work Bro nice instructions
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
This video is soooo gooood ! Thanks ! 🌼
Well I was convinced you had at least 100k! Good stuff man! I'm liking the looks of the new sigma.
Thanks brother! Not been going long but hopefully we'll get to 100k someday 🤞
Thanks for the kind words! 🤜🤛
Thank you man 🙏🏾 Just got the Tokina at crazy bargain $299. I was going to get the SamYang but it seems I dodged a bullet. Never even knew about the Tokina until this review so thank you.
My pleasure! Not many people do know about the Tokina for some reason - definitely an unsung hero! I hope you enjoy the new lens!
how do you like the tokina so far?
Tom, what background do you use for your videos? Is it wallpaper?
No, it's actually chipboard painted blue 🙂
Was going for the sigma however now you just deffo sold it for me
Tokina seems to be the best value for the money. Well balanced in most aspects. No major issues like the Samyang. 2nd sharpest of the bunch, autofocus is on par with the bast. A little heavier than the Sony by 200 grams, but the used Sony, Viltrox and Tokina are all similar in price.
Thanks for doing all that!
You're very welcome! 🙂
Thanks for this! Seems like even at a cheaper price, the tokina outperforms the Sony 85 1.8!
I just purchased the sigma dg dn because of this video. I've had a 35mm sigma years ago for Nikon crop and I loved it...so thank you for this video. You helped me choose!!
You're welcome! Hope you enjoy the new lens 🤘
@@TomCalton I may or may not be sitting in the garage waiting on FedEx as I type. 🙃🙃🙃
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@@TomCalton got it!!!
Yes mate! 🤜🤛
Really great video! Helped me a lot to find my lense.
Thanks! Which one did you go for?
@@TomCalton I prefered the Sony FE 1.8, but after your review decided for the Tokina! Thanks
@@TomCalton Can't recommend the Tokina enough. The results are incredible. Pictures are incredible sharp in the middle at 1.8. The weight might be the only issue, but I don't care cause I'm shooting handheld anyway. That lense is sooo sharp. I bought the Limited Sony Edition. Thanks again for your test. So useful!
Awesome! So glad to hear that you're happy with it! 🙌🏻
@@Thomasmcse how do you like the tokina so far?
Best review, great images and very sincere, also great model.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
very cinematic b-roll
Thanks, I hope you liked it!
Would’ve liked to see some non-portrait shots as well
My firend told me that Tokina and Viltrox are the same lenses. How can that be true?
They're not the same exactly, but based on the same blueprint. This video explains more:
th-cam.com/video/RN22ZXgbtfc/w-d-xo.html
@@TomCalton Thank you for a quick replay. I am in a search for 85 mm lens and Tokina seems like a good budget start option.
Thank you very much for this video
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻
Very nice video and in my opinion you do the best reviews for actual buyers.
Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching 👍
7:43 how do you make these infographics?
All within Premiere Pro 🤘
@@TomCalton ohh wow
@@TomCalton can you pls. Suggest a focal length to achieve full body photo of fashion male models as seen on Instagram with smooth bokeh while they walk on road or street wearing something nice! And the background is total milky blur
To get a super thick blur on a full length portrait you'll need a long lens - something like a 135mm f/1.8 would do it. Though, because it's a long lens you'll need to be quite a way away from them when you shoot, which can be tricky.
If that sounds like too much hassle then an 85mm f/1.8 or f/1.4 would do a good enough job and would mean you wouldn't need to stand quite as far away.
I hope this helps!
@@TomCalton But I am asking specific to Instagram posts where vertical photos are prime and 80mm focal length is quite tricky as it covers very less space on both sides so doesn't fit on Instagram
Best review ever!
Damn good review sir!
Thanks bud!
This test should be archived to a lens database
Thanks man - hope you enjoyed it 👍
It's okay, I know for sure the Zeiss was close to 3rd place and that makes me happy 😁 great video Tom!
Thanks for watching!
In terms of image quality and performance, the Zeiss is fantastic! It's just very expensive for an f/1.8 lens. If you can get a decent second hand copy of it though...
@@TomCalton hahaha you have a point there! I was considering the Yongnuo but with the auto focus issue it’s a big pass on me.
This was an amazing review! Subscribed
Thanks! Welcome aboard!
so hard to decide which 85mm to get...watched this vid at least 5 times and I still can't decide.
as all my other lens are 67mm filter threads, I am debating between sony FE and zeiss.........trying to get a preowned one. which do you think is a better buy??
Where was the Mitakon 85/1.2?
It's a manual focus only lens, so doesn't really fit in to this test unfortunately as these are all AF lenses. Probably should have clarified at the start of the video - apologies!
Great Video :)
Thank you, much appreciated! ☺️
Really nice content!
Thank you! 🤜🤛
For those who have a Sony Camera without IBIS, the Zeiss Batis are the best option (maybe the best option anyway !!!) !
Good point - the image stabilisation would definitely help in that case, espechially for video work, or if you shoot hand held in low light a lot.
@@TomCalton 😇 I am only still photographer, so I never use video (I hate video). IF I was going to get a 85mm Lens, I think the best one will be the Zeiss Batis for me, but I have several short tele Lenses, fx the Excellent Voigtländer 65mm Macro APO Lanthar with outstanding image quality and the Sony 135mm 1.8 GM.
Great content!
Thanks Nick, much appreciated!
Well done! Thank you
My pleasure! Thanks for watching 🤜🤛
Ugh, I hate to say, but the 85mm GM is my cup of tea over and over again.
Excellent!
Thanks!
Where's the Samyang AF 75mm F1.8? :)
same video for 35mm PLZ!!!
It's coming! We're just waiting for Tokina to release their new 35mm (whenever that'll happen) and then we're all set 👌🏻
@@TomCalton tnx ^^ like your videos ,) !
There’s a new samyang 85 1.4 fe ll