Laurence Fox slams Jewish actress Maureen Lipman for criticising Dame Helen Mirren over Jewish role
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- Dame Maureen Lipman has criticised the decision to cast Dame Helen Mirren as the former Israeli prime minister Golda Meir in the film Golda because she is not Jewish.
In the latest row over the casting of non-Jews in Jewish roles - a practice described by critics as “Jewface” - Lipman said that she was uncomfortable with Mirren being given the film’s titular role.
Political activist and actor Laurence Fox says "it's an actor's job is to act, so it doesn't matter their background is. Wokeness is overtaking everything, even drama which is used to escape reality."
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Maureen Lipman made a name for herself donkey's years ago playing Joyce Grenfell on stage. Grenfell was an upper class English lady who had attended the poshest schools and during WWII she travelled widely entertaining the troops. Did Lipman share any of that experience?
Quite but then she was getting paid for this. Now as a grouchy old lady wanting to play Golda Meir she isn't being paid!
Was Joyce Grenfell Jewish? No she was a Christian, so perhaps Ms Lipman shouldn't be so quick to condemn Helen Mirren for playing a Jewish character. After all, ACTING is portraying someone you aren't!
In that " entertaining the troops" did she get the part because of her name lip man 💏
Someone on the left is a hypocrite with a short memory? I am shocked!
It's called acting, love
I am Jewish my wife is Irish. My mother in law is a well known Irish Actress who resurrected a Martin Sherman play ""Rose"" the story of a Holocaust survivor. She toured single handed with this play for 10 years all over Ireland the UK South Africa and Australia. This was no mean feat for a Lady in her 70''s. She discovered that Maureen Lipman was going to p lay this role and thought it would be nice to send her her notes and wish her best wishes with her performance. She did not even have the courtesy to write back and thank her. After hearing this I hope that the fact that she was not Jewish was not a factor. She played to many Jewish audiences in small theatres and all her feed back was one of delight and thanks for such a sensitive portrayal of the character.
Maybe that’s why there’s so many Israel haters there in Ireland.. lol
But on a serious note-
A Holocaust survivor and a prime minister who is one of the first in a new state with an old people’s heritage in a complex as hell place is very different kind of role.
I’m Jewish too. An Israeli. And had a very close relationship with an Irish man - he understood Suffering and War - but he Never quite got “ Israel”..!!!
@@RamSadeh Nobody "gets Israel!" do they?
Including many Jewish people too.
@@notanumber1311No Zionists !!
Maureen Lipman has played Gentile characters in the past. According to her logic, she should not be playing those roles because she is not a Gentile. Or does it only apply to Gentiles playing Jewish characters?
"..only apply to Gentiles"
Like this is the only example of that double standard. Lol
She's also a lefty, so the hypocrisy's second nature.
Lipman's problem is plain and simple: JEALOUSY. She wasn't, isn't and never will be an actress of the calibre of Dame Helen. I saw her (Lipman) in Oklahoma years ago - she was b****y awful.
Absolutely true, 👏👏👏
Very much agree....And Dame Helen is the best......
@@alisonmansfield9052 Helen Mirren is without compere, how Maureen Lipman thinks she's an expert on all acting roles is beyond me. Considering she plays a downtrodden pensioner living in with her grandson /nephew? She's hardly bringing her privileged life to mirror her massive part in a second rate soap. Sorry for the rant but she grates on me.
🥴😂😂
David Evans - spot on
Isn't ACTING just pretending to be someone and something ONE IS NOT? I'm sure that when Maureen Lipman played Lady Thatcher in the film Water, she didn't spend a single second fretting over playing a Christian woman.
Well said, I wonder if she has EVER played a Jewish woman....apart for in a series of BT adverts some years ago. One rule for thee and one for me???
There are enough Jews playing the part of Christian she needs to go live in Israel where her hatred of non - Jews isn't quite so apparent.
I thought the whole point of acting was pretending to be someone else well I think Maureen should act like someone who actually knows what she's talking about. 🤔
Not when it’s real people lol, people act like real people are characters these days
Maureen Lipman has shown herself to not be a very nice person with a few comments lately. A fantastic actress has been giving a heavyweight part and Maureen Lipman is not in the same league.
We've seen a lot of public figures showing their true colours over the last few years. What ugly colours they are too.
It’s called acting, it is literally pretending to be something or someone you are not. It is something that has been round for thousands of years. The concept of having to be the the exact identity of the character you are playing is preposterous. Only gay actors can play gay roles, only Jewish actors to play Jewish roles, how are they ever supposed to make fantasy movies, there are no such things as elves or orcs so I’m not sure how they’re going to make any more Lord of the Rings movies, and I can’t imagine where they’re going to find a real xenomorphs to make and future Alien movies.
I think these people need to remember what acting is.
Well said..
Exactly!!!
Re gay actors, how do the actors prove they're gay, how do the casting staff know ? Is being gay a qualification for RADA / Equity or whatever ? Maybe there's a course one can attend, and on graduating, will get the Gay certificate 🤣🤣
Whao! Hold up, there, mate! No elves? Whaddya mean no elves? I'm a blue-haired millennial soy-latte drinking, Oestrogen-laden, cis-gendered male (he/him), living with my parents and I know for a fact there are elves and orcs, I've seen them on the screen during my daily interactions with the real world. So don't be so offensive, you're worse than H1tler!!!
But the point is, that it works both ways. Would a white actor play Nelson Mandela? No, because that would be insulting to his family and country.
Historical productions need to look as real as possible. Would it be sensible to have a black lady in the role of our Queen? She's white end of. Common sense should prevail when casting. Crap like James Bond can have anybody in the role because it's sheer fantasy.
But Anne Boleyn in reality was white and was a real person. That's why it's important to portray her as she was if we are interested in historical truth.
Having similar skin colour to a historical character you are playing is basic requirement.
Brilliant Laurence. No more black actors doing White Face. It's Waycist!
But it was ok for dozens of white actors to black up their faces for parts because black actors never got the parts because of pure racism
Sad. To have nothing else to worry about. She should consider how blessed she is when the world is suffering so much from corrupt politicians everywhere.
Being thoughtful isn't clickbait.
Maureen doesn't seem to understand acting. Next she'll be complaining about the lack of actual Jedis in Star Wars films.
Yup and actual wizards and witches in the Harry Potter films and dont forget real life/dead? zombies for zombie films. List is endless and stupid. 🤣
How many homosexuals have played heterosexuals for decades
Maureen wsa a brilliant comedy actress when young
You have obviously not seen Maureen Lipman act. She is amazing. She can do dramatic acting as well as comedy.
I did a snort laugh at that!
Love Laurence fox, it is so rare these day's for someone to tell the truth in the media
He is a total joke and just a Katie Hopkins v2.
@@martinspedding4210 Possibly...very easy for him to con people considering he only used to be an actor. 🤔
@@martinspedding4210 you seem upset. Do you require a tissue to dry your eyes softlad?
@@martinspedding4210 do you require a tissue to dry your eyes?
@@stuartsutton2548 your comment makes zero sense.
I've 'just' finished watching a Jonathon Creek episode, called The Tailor's Dummy, starring Maureen Lipman. Imagine my anger at discovering that Maureen is neither a clothes designer, ex-model, or scheming murderess. I was appalled, and am currently writing to my MP !!
So you’re in full support of black actors playing white historical figures? How very modern of you!
@@ronniee1075 My apologies, I appreciate that satire can be a real struggle for some 🤣🤣
@@halley4032 Totally agree, satire, causal racism, victim shaming, can all be such a struggle!
@@ronniee1075 Nice piece of 'Straw Manning' there. Take a deep breath, and sloooow down, before you make yourself ill !! 🤣🤣
@@halley4032 funny how when some people get called out they revert to nonsense claims
The world is certifiable. This is a prime example.
Only genuine murderers can be allowed to play murderers.
Like it !
I wonder who will volunteer to star in the upcoming Jimmy Saville drama....
Maureen Lipman often comes across as self important snob and quite hypocritical too in my opinion.
A woman called Golda, played by Ingrid Bergman. No controversy there. Maureen Lipman in Vicar of Dibley playing C of E cleric . No controversy there.
Laurence a breath of fresh air amid the insanity
Thanks for the joke, I hope you do not believe that.
@@martinspedding4210 you need to lay off the soy
@@stuartsutton2548 you don't make sense, I am just pointing what is obvious to everyone. Just trying the impossible to bring intelligence to a talk radio comment section
@@martinspedding4210 I do make sense. You are obviously a lefty. Please seek help
@@stuartsutton2548 you are the one who needs help. I am not anti British xenophobe like you. I suggest you need psychiatric help as you clearly have a corrupted dangerous view of the world
It isn't totally acceptable for a black character to play a white part as clearly there is something a step too far for the audience to ignore particularly if the character is not fictional.
Wait a minute - Maureen played many non Jewish parts in her career - eg Maggie Thatcher for one who was Christian and a state head just like Golda.
Do as I say not as I do, Gentile.
Next, anyone playing say a Mexican would have to be Mexican - and is it not demeaning the Mexican language for the Mexican character to speak in, say English - or demean the Mexican people if a non Mexican actor wore a sombrero ? Where does the frigging madness all end ?
They speak Spanish in Mexico.
Its called "Acting" isn't it?
Maureen tried to draw back by today saying they should at least first look for a Jewish actor (or whatever race creed is relevant) next time before picking any other - but I would guess the Israeli director might have done this if HE thought it important - does she expect that all future castings have to be publicly scrutinised for an initial attempt at positive vetting - the road to socially woke madness.
Look like...lol...semite or Ashkenazi?
And why the actress Gal Gadot played Cleopatra role and when Arabs criticised her and asked for an Egyptian to do the role, the Jewish community started talking about the wokism?!
This nonsense has to stop, and this pick and choose roles based on nationality and skin colour will damage movie and tv drama making!!!
The goal of any production should be to immerse the audience, I could easily believe that Helen Mirren is Jewish, so that's fine. But I don't want Jodie Turner-Smith to play Ann Boleyn, likewise I wouldn't want Daniel Craig to play Shaka Zulu...
It’s called acting for a reason.
The film white chicks has always made me feel uncomfortable. To me it's blatantly racist.
Should I have been offended when Brad Pitt played and gypsy in snatch? Absolute nonsense
A white actor playing a black character is ridiculous. A black actor playing a white character is ridiculous. Why are you even talking about it.
They gave a poor example. Ben Kingsley has already played Ghandi :D
Dev Patel in David Copperfield has entered the chat too.
@@apartridge4582 Ben Kingsley is half Gujarati isn't he?
@@emilywilliams363 I had no idea of that. I stand corrected!
Maureen Lipman has made a fool of herself with this outburst. They’ve obviously chosen the actress they considered best suited. I❤️ISRAEL 🙏
Why can't an actor black up? It is called make up and actors use it every time.
What happens if you're playing a murderer?
The clue is in the name - "ACTING"
Maureen is a MOPE and is obviously worried about being knocked off the top spot of - "Most Oppressed People Ever"! lol.
How many times has Maureen Lipman played a non Jewish role? Hypocrite!
A lot of white actors playing 'ethnics' years ago, at least tried to show the characters race, like blacking up or wearing long thin Chinese style moutaches or using make up on eyes to make themselves look Oriental, John Wayne as Gengis Khan or Christopher Lee is Fu Manchu looked ridiculous, but at least they weren't trying to pretend Khan or Fu Manchu were white. The Black actress playing Anne Boleyn was implying that Boleyn was black, she should have done the decent thing and wore white make up.
Or a White Actress playing one of Mandela's wives ?
Well why can’t a white actor play Mandela? It seems there’s no issue with okaying Anne Boleyn
@@ianeasterbrook3260
There was any amount of controversy concerning the casting of a Black Actress to play Ann Boleyn, because she was a historical character.
And the same level of controversy would apply to a White Actress playing one of Mandela's wives for the same reason.
@@ianeasterbrook3260
These are not fictitious characters like say a Bond Girl.
Who could be any colour - no problem !
Generally, although I saw Rex Harrison play the king of Siam in an old film recently and he didn't look the part. Or maybe I've become more sceptical?
I wonder how badly the acting jobs have dried up for Laurence? Has he been blacklisted completely?
Is he a actor? What's he been in.
@@pip1723 that inspector morse spinoff is where i first clocked him.
@@pip1723 He was in "The Professor and the Madman" (Starring Mel Gibson, 2019).
Don't say "Blacklisted" ffs.
RoathRipper He should be tbh
Maureen Lipman pretended to be a comedian for years, no one shouted at her....
I'm with you. Lawrence, as always. I don't care who plays whom. I don't bother watching anything that wants me to grapple with social issues - which is now most mainstream programmes and advertising.
Lawrence Fox is just awesome! He nails it every time!!! Go Lawrence!!!!
Blimey! Remember Ben Kingley brilliantly playing 'Ghandi' in the movie.
Would the 'woke' brigade not allow this today?
No worry! Ben Kingsley is part Gujarati!
@@colincolin13
Yes, but the 'woke ' bods would insist on 100% correct identity.
I mostly agree with Kevin’s position on any actor playing any character except in situations where historic figures (i.e. real people not just characters) are being portrayed in biopics or historical dramas. A black Anne Boleyn for example is just a bizarre muddling of history if your producing a film about that historic period, it prevents the full immersion of the viewer & leans more towards a fantasy genre.
Much like the multi cultural ensemble in the Mary Queen of Scots movie in 2018.
I'm Jewish and I totally agree with Lawrence... I have no problem Helen playing a Jew.. she's a actor who is acting!!!
Probably Lipman wanted the role but they wanted someone who could act.
I am remaking Lassie, looking for a dog to play the main part, not a zebra or an elephant, a dog.
Bit of a hate filled species-ist aren't you? Lol
Ms Lippmann lost my vote when she was absolutely disgusting about Palestinian art festival- bye
Isn't there a word for denying someone employment due to their race or beliefs?
Judy Davis and Ingrid Bergman played Golda Meir in a drama series back in the 1980s. Neither lady is Jewish to the best of my knowledge. Both did excellent jobs.
The clue is in the name....actor!
You wouldn't believe that Lipman has an ology, the reason Helen Mirren got the job and not you is because she's a better actress
Helen mirren is a fantastic actress, and thanks so much for Mr Fox 🦊!
Apart from Ann Boleyn, we've had a black Achilles and a black Mrs Cratchitt as well as a myriad of black actors and actresses in period dramas playing parts where black individuals could never have been in Britain, let alone anything else. It is getting worse with black actors now appearing as shop keepers, local aristocracy and Police in the 1950s (and earlier) when this was a rarity (for shopkeepers) and non-existent for the other professions. Problem is that "diversity/Gay Lobby" etc. want it every which way but loose.
It’s still a rarity to see a black person in the town in the south of England where I live….until very recently we had one slow walking African in the town . ….now we have sub sahara Africans being security guards in every shop…2021 was the change…certainly not in the 1950s this false history is being squeezed into our children daily.
It’s like their trying to rewrite history
It was a rarity in the 1950s because of pure racism. Imagine being black and not seeing other black people on TV, magazines, radio, theatre, and in many workplaces, the list goes on...
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So can actors only play people exactly like themselves?
Unless I'm wrong, isn't an actor's job to take on a role regardless of what that role is that's the whole point of acting surely. If it's coming to the point where people cannot do their job and act out a character, then the film and movie industry needs to close down or, the actors who won't act in certain roles or who have apologised for roles taken previously, need to get a new job.
She's got a nerve, the woman's spent her whole life doing a pretty poor impression of the brilliant actress, wit and beauty Joyce Grenfell who didn't need to make outrageous comments to get people's attention.
I would like to see Steven Seagal play Nelson Mandela.
Do you mean the ANC terrorist murderer Mandela ?
Glenda Jackson played King Lear. How shocking is that?
She played a vicar herself ffs. Isn't it called acting? I would of expected better from an actress or can I not say that word now either.
Laurence Fox mentions Ben Kingsley playing Gandhi. To be fair to Ben Kingsley he is half Gujarati Indian, and Mahatma Gandhi was also Gujarati.
Its just sour grapes that she didn't get the role
If the person fits the role then the role is believable. Its in the casting.
Helen Mirren is a more convincing actress.Nothing to do with being Jewish or not.Come on Maureen you are from Hull take it on the chin.
Sounds a bit like sour grapes to me from Maureen Lipman !!
The whole thing is a nightmare driven by those who are frightened by their own shadows... acting is acting playing someone else's character, these people have got to get over it, they are destroying the very essence of the art.
It’s utter nonsense that black people play the likes of Anne Boleyn.
I just love listening to Laurence fox, always taks sense. I read his Twitter but he has some very vile people who write horrible things but hes man enough to ignore them I hope. We need more people like Laurence in the political scene
Wow, you are disconnected from the real world. We need a lot less people like Fox. Has he ever been right about anything. He is as irrelevant as Farage and both of them should not be given the oxygen of publicity
@@martinspedding4210 ah I thought my post just might trigger some of the horrible people who write on his twitter.
@@paulineclark2743 I am not a horrible person and I would not waste my time on his twitter account. He is no different to waste of spaces like Farage, no one should given him air time. That is not horrible, remember he also supported the Brexit disaster.
@@martinspedding4210 so you are not a horrible person as you say but want him and Mr Farage cancelled for their views, very kind I must say. Do one.
Pauline Clark I have a feeling you fail to understand the difference between criticism and hate. From what I've seen on Twitter, many people are rightfully criticising him because of his garbage tweets that are designed solely to stir the pot. And often or not, a lot of "horrible things" that have been said to Laurence are things that he brought on himself, due to his lack of respect and integrity.
Please run again for palament , Mr fox.
If someone said a Jewish person should not b playin a part of a Gentile there would be outrage and cries of ANTISEMITISM of the accuser.
I don't care who plays who as long as its a historically accurate portrayal. Having a Black person play Ann Boleyn as a Black person is absurd. It would be fine if a Black person plays a White or White plays Black character if the make up looks like the character. What next, a Black Queen of England or a White Martin Luther King? Maybe a White Gandhi or a Chinese JFK. Absolutely ridiculous. Society has seriously lost the plot.
I have NEVER found Olivier playing Othello uncomfortable in any way shape or form.
Maureen obviously hasn't got an ology as to gain one means you have some sort of intellect.
if you want to portray someone of the stature of Golda Meir you would want an actress the stature of Helen Mirren.
Ben Kingsley played a better Gandhi than Gandhi.
Well said Laurance.
The clue is in the name of the profession. Total bollocks.
Maybe Ms Lipman shouldn't play non Jewish roles in future?
How ahout NON English people being banned from using/speaking the English language
When it comes to cultural appropriation, all non-Europeans should wear their own native dress and not use any European inventions, music, literature or science if they air their opinion that white people shouldn't sing or play "black" music which black people play on instruments originating from Europe with microphones amplifiers, broadcasting and recording equipment invented by white people.
@@vrager1564 Also, people from hot climates in the 3rd world should wear their traditional clothing when they live in cold northern Europe. Wearing overcoats is also cultural appropriation.
In acting, should murderers and psychopaths only be played by murderers and psychopaths?
Anyone can play anybody as long as there's credibility to the part they're playing.
Maureen is insanely Jealous of Dame Helen....She is just getting bitter poor thing!!!
Blimey Maureen, I guess that rules out a Lord of the Rings remake 🤔
Helen Mirren has played Jewish characters before.
Well said Lawrence 👏.
Ingrid Bergman played Golda Meir in the film "A woman called Golda" that was in 1982, I can't remember anyone making a fuss then. Yes, acting is acting, you don't have to have been a priest to play a priest, an-ex doctor to play a doctor, etc... etc.. However, where I do draw the line is not respecting the ethnicity of a historical character, and would find it extremely indelicate for a white actor to play the role of Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King. And why I did not buy into a fictional mini series about Anne Boleyn being played by a black actress. I know that Laurence Olivier played Othello way back in the 60s and he blackened his face because in Shakespeare's play Othello, Othello is a military commander of Moorish race, therefore not white-skinned. So what would be the point of Othello being played by a white actor who does nothing to change his physical appearance? Today, there are so many excellent Black actors out there who would do a fantastic Othello, and at least their skin colour would be right.
I used to like Maureen Lipman , Omg Bonkers 😳
A Complete fruitcake in my opinion.
Helen Mirren excels in every part she plays. I mainly remember Maureen Lipman in the gas advert. Did she have to be Jewish to play that part.
@@matildamartin2811 she’s a talent but it’ll be interesting to she the fallout - Helen Mirren is a recent woke convert herself.
Take this argument to it's logical conclusion and only the actual people themselves will be able to play their role in any fact based dramatisation.
isnt Helen Jewish anyway
Maureen Lipman played Joyce Grenfell , a gentle. Nuff said
Laurence I agree why don’t they focused on changing their own behaviour and character instead of nit picking on stupid nonsense.
👏👏👏👏👏👌👌❤️❤️🙏🙏 god’s blessings to you Laurence
Couple of years ago Sir Ian McKellen criticize two straight actors (Heath ledger and Jake Gyllennhall) playing gay cowboys in Brokeback mountain. Sir Ian said two gay actors should have been cast instead of two straight actors
Only real space orcs can play space orcs.
I like Maureen Lipman, on this occasion, I totally disagree with her :(
Mirren is part jewish. Not that it matters.
Thank you Laurence Fox.
Common sense seems to have been thrown out of the window. I suppose if Peter Cook and Dudley Moore were still alive today they would have problems doing a Derek and Clive comeback album , as they are not , in real life , toilet attendants!
Nice to see the sisterhood supporting role 👌
I see nothing wrong with blacking up or a black actor using makeup to appear white, or using green paint to appear Martian . It's just makeup . I've had massive facial scars acting but I don't actually have them , are the facially scared going to be upset that a unscarred actor plays them it's all crazy . Did black people really feel hurt by orthello being played by a white guy ? . Very likely the first actors to play the part were white
Double standards 🤦♀️🤷♀️