Fix your TIMING to fix your FOREHAND
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.พ. 2023
- The precise way pro players hit the ball varies, but all great players have great timing. Timing is the key piece of the puzzle if you want a high level forehand. It’s also one of the hardest things to fix.
In this video I explain what that is and what you can do to improve your timing, so you can hit with both power and control. You’ll learn about
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I like a lot how you go about the philosophy of learning a stroke and how to be effective.
Unfortunately it is not very appealing for most people to “settle” for a simplified version of something, even if it will turn you more effective. People sometimes forget that, unless you want to turn pro, you can play at a very very high level just by being able to have a technique that is reliable and lets you be precise. Speed and efficiency is needed when you play at a level just barely below future tournaments.
I loved the video!
Things were getting crazy for me; having learned to play the game back in the 1950s. I didn't change to MTM until about twenty years ago. Then I figured I could adapt to the even more modern game and that's when I started having problems, especially with forehand timing. The racket felt wobbly as I tried to keep my elbow up and back and stay loose enough to get the necessary racket lag for more power and spin. You explained that it was perfectly all right to simplify the mechanics, and now I'm starting to groove my shots once again, and still get some racket lag but have much more control. As the great philosopher, Yogi Berra said to reporters when they asked him what he was thinking about when he was up at the plate, "You can't think and hit at the same time." Thanks for the lesson; exactly what I needed to regain my confidence and have more fun playing.
Finally someone making sense of most shots I end up hitting since I don't get into the ideal position to make the ideal modern stroke. Rarely does the shot in doubles allow this but this makes sense on handling the ball without worrying about be in the perfect position but still able to make effective and consistent shots. Thx
Great video about simplifying forehand timing!
Thanks. Good info.
Thank you very much!
Thank you so much for keeping it real and bringing beginners back down to reality!!!
You are welcome. But this isn't just for beginners. This is people playing 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 tennis. The vast majority of players are trying to copy the pro's, but their body doesn't move in the same way a professional tennis player does. This includes me and 99% of the coaches on TH-cam as well.
Nice lessons 🎉
Excellent theory, only if you add drills for each one for forehand like prep, footwork, swing, contact point, visual ques, racket head direction at contact....thanks
Ecellent video which allow to a "non pro" to adjust de best forehand to his own capabilities (menta and propriocetiveness).
Thank's a lot ! I'l l do that ths afternoon (in France)
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This was helpful. I often get frustrated, but have to remind myself that being blind in one eye is more than a minor issue.
This is what we normal people need. Very good explanation.
Timing is the key, but also it's about getting the non-hitting arm up and out of the way. This allows the full torso rotation that results in striking the ball in front of the body with the racquet shoulder rotated and extended in front of the body as the ball is struck.
This creates full upper body rotation into the shot and the connection of the arm to the shoulder is like a fulcrum that drives the racquet up and across the ball creating power and topspin.
A properly executed swing with the non-hitting arm clearing across the chest and allowing rotation of the body and the racquet into the oncoming ball is a perfect example of the physics of a lever at work.
So work on clearing your off arm out of the way and the rest of the body and the rest of the shot will follow. This can be practiced by catching the forehand follow through in the non-racquet hand up and above the non-racquet shoulder.
If thinking about the non dominant had helps as a coaching cue, that's great. But it's something that should happen automatically as a result of using your kinetic chain propperly.
If you initiate your swing with the outside / back hit then the torso, you non dominate arm will naturally clear.
Good instructions. I’m a surviving cancer patient . I was a 4.0 before my demise . Now I can barely play at a 2.5 level because my mind is unable to make those split second adjustments and physically react fast enough. I have a question if you would .
There are at least eight or more footwork patterns you mentioned . What is the one thing that is common to all patterns ? Is it watching the ball ? Is it bringing the racquet back? Is it balance making sure of your center of gravity ? Is it abbreviated motion of the racquet arm ? Thanks .
Best way is to get you racket back on time by making the unit turn as soon as. You can Identify forehand or backhand. Then the next. Best? Thing is to try to hit the ball on the rise that is it before. It hits the top of the bounce it starts coming down.
Unfortunately it's a little more complicated than that to fix timing for most people. You are correct that an early unit turn is very important. Sadly a lot of players can't read where the ball is going quickly enough to make it happen. Which means working on the underlying systems to make it possible.
Also, hitting the ball on the rise isn't appropriate on every shot. Timing is relative to the ball you are dealing with and the type of shot you intent to play.
@@TennisHacker I'm talking about an exercise/drill to improve the skills you are looking to teach, not an every shot strategy during a match, although in general, it's not a terrible approach.
When you use swing path over the shoulder and when you use it over your head ? What is the different between them ? I am using always the swing path over my head, if I am in urgent position
Great video! Your explanation on technique is spot on. Curious if you have thoughts on the racquet head being parallel to the ground (patting the dog) vs on the edge that you demonstrate.
I think it's one of the things that's more about style because we can find examples of really high level forehands in both variations. Ultimately it's about the angle of the racket face at the moment of contact, so if focusing on "patting the dog" helps a player to achieve the correct angle at contact, it's a good coaching point for that player.
@@TennisHacker Sounds reasonable but there must be a reason why the majority of the men's pros pat the dog on the FH side.🤔
You cleared up my confusion regarding the take back. I experiment a lot with the way I set up but it’s one thing to hit against a wall or a weaker opponent than when the ball comes with pace, let alone when it’s a long match with a lot on the line. I will stick with a simplified take back until I feel it will not break down in a competitive match and then slowly work on making the set up more aggressive. It seems the unit turn and the loading of the leg and weight transfer is way more important than the shape of the take back... so essentials first! Thanks. Btw, the courts look familiar. WWL?
Glad you found the video helpful. Timing is the key component, so it's always about doing what allows you to time the ball most effectively. And for most people, it means keeping it simple.
1 year late, but what I've found is that hitting against the wall makes it exponentially more difficult to time your shots just right because the ball comes back at you SO fast, you're given very little time to prepare. It feels like by the time you've finished your follow-through and are resetting to the "ready" position, the ball is already ricocheting right back at you which forces you to artificially rush into the unit turn and prepare to hit it once more. Have you encountered the same feeling/difficulties, or is it just me?
@@Chubzdoomer I know what you mean about hitting against a wall. It’s not easy - I seldom am able to hit more than a couple of shots at full pace. So I slow it down just to focus on technique. Since my previous post I bought a ball machine and have been very pleased with it. Lot of reps with focus on technique. Also I encourage people to practice / drill with me using a ball hopper for half hour before we play. Some like it, most just want to play a match with minimum warm up.
@@vp6564 Which ball machine did you get? I've been considering the Slinger at some point in the future since it's among the most reasonably-priced out there, but I've also heard very bad things about its absurd amount of topspin. I have to imagine any ball machine would be far better than hitting against a wall though, just for the sheer variety of shots you can easily set up.
@@Chubzdoomer I got Silent Partner. Less expensive than some though probably in the same price range as the Slinger. Mine was $1000 Canadian. In retrospect I wish I got the remote control for another $150 extra I think. My only complaint is the knob controls are ridiculously twitchy. Slight turn makes difference between a ball barely clearing the net or landing behind the baseline. I even had balls fly over the back fence🤣. But this inconvenience is just that. I’ve learned how to calibrate the dials and really appreciate being able to adjust spin from flat to topspin. The velocity is more than adequate. Someone criticized it for maxing out at a certain speed but I never even reached half of the maximum. Am I right in thinking Slinger does not allow to adjust spin? Anyway, the controlled practice via the ball machine has really improved my technique. Recommend getting one.
looks like a very meditaterean place, where is it filmed?
Totally agree with you, stop watching videos about how the pros do it and try and emulate them. We need to work on rhythm, seeing the ball, coordination and balance! You offer sound advice!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video. Playing a sport well, is always about mastering the foundational elements.
Is this court in Tucson, AZ?
If you slow down your clip of Rublev enough you’ll see that he initiates his forward swing by swinging his left arm, not with the hips. That is pretty standard. As long as the hips are loaded the hips will follow very soon after the arm.
Players left arms move first because they stop consciously holding them in position. It takes muscular effort to keep them there. So gravity and the elastic in the muscles pull the arm away. That's different to what really drives and initiates the stroke.
The back leg and hip is the primary power driver for the start of the kinetic chain and forward swing.
@@TennisHacker They are the primary drivers but trying to initiate the swing with leg drive tends to get players out of sequence.
Not to be contradictory, but even back in 80's with darn wooden std size racquets one could hit with power. With current huge head with space age materials, I have problem with too much power & not enough control. Ok, I need to spin more & change my technique, but power comes from hitting the sweetspot & good weight transfer 1st of all. So, I agree with you do simplify~
If you have problems with control. That basically means a lack of hand to eye coordination to make the adjustments.
Did you buy that ball collector hopper or did you make?
I bought it. Assembling it is a little bit frustrating, but it's very handy.
www.kollectaball.com/
Thoughts from an amateur coach:
I want to elaborate on this topic because I've experimented with it and found a key that helps bind all the techniques together, including tracking the ball.
Technique is useless unless you have good ball tracking and so-called "good timing". But is it innate or can you train to get better "timing"? See for yourselves.
Definitions:
Rhythm is the beat of the stroke. Each point in the stroke is connected to the next by a time interval and the group of intervals has a relationship that ideally should be constant. (The points selected can be arbitrary except #3 see below.) That is, the rhythm should not vary from one forehand to the next. I use a 4 point count. Why 4? Because it gives the student a much better perception of time than 1-2. . The time interval between 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 may differ from one person to another but should be the same for each type of stroke in the same individual.
Timing is the synchronization of the will of your mind to the muscle contraction to achieve a goal. It's saying "ok do this now to start the stroke" or "do this now from one segment of the stroke to the next." Timing helps initiation of the stroke and the count and helps keep the rhythm constant.
Tempo is the speed of the stroke, ie, it's the time interval between different stroke segments. If you accelerate the stroke you shorten each time interval between segments so the rhythm stays the same but everything is done faster and the ball is hit harder. In music you can say the rhythm is 3/4 and tempo 60bpm.
Always count from 1 to 4 for each stroke. When you start counting 1 is up to you as each person's rhythm and is dependent on his grip, style and anatomy to some extent. When I'm warming up I count 1 as the ball is hit by my opponent or ball machine and 3 is when the racquet head is back and down about to move foreward and 4 is just before I hit the ball as I release and accelerate to contact. But you can have 4 at contact too. 3 is the most important point to always achieve at the same segment of the stroke on every ground stroke.
The key is to find your own ideal rhythm by starting warmup slowly. I recommend a constant interval between 2-4. It's hard to have a constant interval from 1-4 but you can do that or you can approach that when the rally is very slow and you're playing half court. A constant rhythm guarantees a smooth stroke without hitches; for example the stroke is started immediately after the coach or ball machine sends out the ball and the racquet never stops. I wouldn't accelerate through contact at this point. You could also just ask the student to touch the ball at 4. It's really to give the student a feeling of how much time he really has to hit the ball. Keep that ideal rhythm in your mind by counting on every stroke. When you're off you will know immediately by the collapse of the rhythm. You will hear the different rhythm in your mind immediately! It's a great quality control trick.
As you speed up you increase tempo but keep the rhythm the same. You may start the count 1 (timing) later in a faster rally but try to keep the rhythm constant (or at least similar) from one ball to the next. Obviously the timing and tempo will depend on the speed of the incoming ball but the rhythm is an aid to standardize the stroke and keep something constant and repeatable.
This exercise will help with footwork, concentration and ball tracking because it simplifies the stroke. Just count. It's a dance. It synchronizes muscle groups in a repeatable simple way. It binds all the nuanced techniques together. Always count. It will soon become ingrained and natural but it will make the student more consistent and it’s a foundation to improve at all levels, imho. In a musical analogy for example a rhythm is a 3/4 beat and tempo is allegro.
I've noticed the same thing skiing downhill. The more your mind can feel and appreciate the different segments of a turn the more aware you become of possibilities to tweaking technique.
Counting to 4 (instead of 2 as some coaches suggest) slows down our perception of time and opens our mind to how much time we really have to execute the technique consistently the way we want.
Thank you for your comment.
Amateur coach? .. please don't make any video instruction - you have more waffle than the dude in the video and that's saying something!
so when is the time to initiate the power?
I'm not sure of the question. Do you mean when do you initiate your swing relative to the flight of the ball? Or when in a players learning process?
@@TennisHacker yes, during the ball's trajectory, in which position of the ball should I initiate my swing, or start rotating my body?
For me, timing in tennis is about effective management of space and time.
Absolutely. The ability to manage space and time depends of effectively a players systems are functioning.
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You’ll be surprised what Michio Kaku has to say about that …..
Finally someone tells it straight about why most of us go only so far in our tennis games!
Thanks. If we want to improve, we have to be realistic with where we are at because trying to perform skills that are way too hard for out ability, it leads to an endless cycle of never achieving the unachievable. It's all about focusing on the basics and working on improving your athleticism to allow you to perform the basics more effectively.
But your describing the problem what's the remedy ???
The exact solution depends on the underlying problem. That's what I explain throughout the video.
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Sorry but this is not how to simplify things. 1st we need to imagine, for which people we create learning stuff.
I’m not sure i understand your comment. What do you mean about simplifying things?
Stop adding music to your videos, it disturbs my own music, Until then you got a thumb down and don't recommend channle. I do that to every video where I have to deal with music, any kind of music.
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