Shoutout to my subconsciousness for helping me with this vid (づ￣ ³￣)づ Additional notes🔻 ▶Never underestimate CDMG. The rest is in the vid. ▶Healers go here: th-cam.com/users/postUgkxJ_FbY6MbgKwWxw7lfxih_NjdjJanY254?si=KVEXBEJKQ69f-rNH ▶ATK build Tuesday could/potentially be better if your Tuesday doesn't actively attack (e.g her passive playstyle, where your allies help her land the poison debuff in her stead) ▶If your character's multiplayer isn't ATK%, then you just need to slightly adjust. ▶I'll add more if I remember
Thanks for the Video Bro, I'm fairly new to your TH-cam Channel, but you make amazing Videos with really helpful information, you get always straight to the point and your voice is very calming too. (:
Tuesday’s ATK vs DMG bonus comparison falls apart because you fail to account for critical rate. By assuming all attacks crit (therefore ignoring the DPS increase that crit rate gives because both are assumed to be at 100%), the data is skewed to be biased in favour of the DMG bonus build because it has higher crit DMG. In a proper distribution over a larger set of samples (25 incantation casts for example), the ATK build wins out because it’s more likely to crit than the DMG bonus one. It’s actually pretty easy to adjust your formula to account for this. Assuming normal crit rate: ATK build: (17,630 + 5,502) x 1.16 (1.16 being the average DPS increase that 16% crit rate gives over a larger sample) = *26,833.12* DMG bonus build: (17,727 + 5,439) x 1.135 = *26,293.41* The ATK build now deals more average damage in total at a whopping 530 dmg increase. The DMG bonus build catches up the higher Tuesday’s crit rate is (not because of the DMG bonus really, but because it just has higher crit DMG). The only way the DMG bonus build wins out is if you max Tuesday’s crit rate from outside sources which is situational at best. Even if you DO manage to max her crit rate (Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila team for example) DMG bonus will most of the time be never worth it over ATK / crit because if you consider modes like Raids or Roguelike (let’s be honest these are the only two modes where fine tuning THIS much is going to matter) enemies are either overloaded with DMG reduction or spam you with damage dealt debuffs, which increases the DPS value of buffing Genesis DMG instead, as it remains unaffected (this argument also applies to your calculations of crit DMG vs DMG bonus for 37). For content that’s actually considered hard enough to start fine tuning like this, buffing genesis DMG over normal DMG for characters like 37 and Tuesday will almost always be more optimal. edit: fixed some numbers
Fails to account for critical rate 🤔 2:26 - here I said "this remains true, even if you assume that all the damage doesn't crit (incantation & poison)" ▶fine-tuned ATK, Tuesday S1 non-crit: 1837 + 439= 2276 ▶fine-tuned DMG bonus, non-crit: 1878 + 427= 2305 Am I the one who fails to account for the crit, or you? How about -20% crit res down from Tuesday's debuff? Let's see, -20% crit res down from Tuesday S2 + 10.2% base + 13.5% fine-tuned DMG bonus + 30% crit from Vila + 20% crit from Mercuria + 16% crit from her own psychube/21% if you use BnW like me: 109% crit/114% crit. If you actually watched the video, I literally said CDMG build is better for 37. So I don't understand why & how you think I recommend DMG bonus for her (╥ω╥`) DMG mitigation on raid boss huh, if I ever have Argus I think that problem can easily be solved, though. But since you brought DMG mitigation into play, wdyt about other DPS that don't rely on Genesis DMG? (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵) Is it really me that tryna be biased towards something that I clearly don't, or you? When what I did was only laying all the groundwork. Watch the vid again ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
Watching the video further, it seems this problem can be seen on Windsong and Isolde’s “fine-tuned” builds too? Their “Internet builds” are statistically their best DPS builds (they were made by a reputable statistics guy in CN named fengyan) and it still should be their best, bedause besides the disregarded crit rate like in Tuesday’s calcs, the damage tests on the video only show base damage (none of Isolde or Windsong’s incantations crit in the showcase) which naturally means ATK and DMG bonus will win out. This is an even more confusing decision since Windsong’s (and by extension Isolde) entire identity is a crit DPS, so calculating her non crit damage seems irrelevant
About Windsong and Isolde, those damage crits. It's indicated by a bold number. You don't even understand between non-crit vs crit indicator on neutral lmao (╥ω╥`)
@@idk6ro With 100% crit rate the DMG bonus build wins out, yes, but most of the heavy lifting is done by the fact that the DMG bonus build has higher crit dmg, not necessarily because of the DMG bonus. You could easily combine higher crit DMG with ATK instead and it would have higher average damage than both of those builds. Besides that, I bring up the point that having a 100% crit rate team for Tuesday is situational at best - because it’s suboptimal at worst. I bought up Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila as an example team for a theoretical 100% crit rate, but it doesn’t mean that that team doesn’t have its own share of problems. Sotheby is one of Tuesday’s best teammates right now, and running Vila not only means you take away AP from both Tuesday and Sotheby who want to spam apply poison as much as possible while rotating their Ultimates, you also run a double healer team which leaves much to be desired. Kakania is a better alternative for example, she’s completely AP friendly, automatically dealing genesis DMG while helping Sotheby out with healing, and her ATK buff works with poison - the same case can be made for Isolde vs Mercuria, but that’s besides the point. The point is, while Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila may be able to max her crit rate out, it doesn’t mean it’s going to be the best team to maximise Tuesday’s damage. There’s also the issue of if people can even use the character; some people may not own Mercuria or Vila / using them in another team in Limbo. Most of Tuesday’s teams are not going to get her to reach 100% crit rate, and in that case, the ATK build will always be better.
And I’m fairly certain critical hit numbers have a unique symbol attached to them - red colored crits also change into a dotted texture, which I did not see in Isolde’s incantation when she hit the Intellect mob. I can send two screenshots on imgur as a comparison If really need to.
So which is better for Semmelweis is it crit build or dmg bonus build? I'm fairly curious honestly and know almost nothing about the damage calculation. Considering I've R15 her on my no gacha account.
I can only speak from an R10 perspective if that's okay with you ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ her base CDMG is lower than 160% (149.1%). And she already has a lot of DMG bonus from her Array, Insight 2, & her buff card if you use it on herself. To help her low base cdmg up, go with the CDMG build ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ you can follow the T0~Tx fine-tune instruction if you're lost
With the fine-tuned 37's resonance in the vid, you can tweak it a little bit by swapping the J-shaped cdmg block with the L-shaped dmg bonus one ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ J's core resonance is Z shaped right? If yes then you can copy my Isolde's fine-tuned for him. As for Vila, she's pretty much using the same resonance as my Tooth Fairy in the previous video 😎👍
DMG that's indicated with blue icon, this DMG ignores defenses. In the other game I play, such a DMG is called "True DMG" if you're more familiar with it ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
Tbh rather than caring about the small number increase itself, I'm more towards "curious, how can the number increase?" ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ and thanks to this long experiments & tests I got to figure out the baseline and formula to tune each DPS' resonance
Shoutout to my subconsciousness for helping me with this vid (づ￣ ³￣)づ Additional notes🔻
▶Never underestimate CDMG. The rest is in the vid.
▶Healers go here: th-cam.com/users/postUgkxJ_FbY6MbgKwWxw7lfxih_NjdjJanY254?si=KVEXBEJKQ69f-rNH
▶ATK build Tuesday could/potentially be better if your Tuesday doesn't actively attack (e.g her passive playstyle, where your allies help her land the poison debuff in her stead)
▶If your character's multiplayer isn't ATK%, then you just need to slightly adjust.
▶I'll add more if I remember
Thanks for the Video Bro, I'm fairly new to your TH-cam Channel, but you make amazing Videos with really helpful information, you get always straight to the point and your voice is very calming too. (:
I loved the little joe cameo
Thanks "based on my test results" guy🙏✨
You rock🤘
Awesome video! Thanks for the comparison too
This video gives the reason why you should atleast have one cdmg buffer built. There's a lot of characters with
U really love this game is it
Tuesday’s ATK vs DMG bonus comparison falls apart because you fail to account for critical rate. By assuming all attacks crit (therefore ignoring the DPS increase that crit rate gives because both are assumed to be at 100%), the data is skewed to be biased in favour of the DMG bonus build because it has higher crit DMG.
In a proper distribution over a larger set of samples (25 incantation casts for example), the ATK build wins out because it’s more likely to crit than the DMG bonus one. It’s actually pretty easy to adjust your formula to account for this.
Assuming normal crit rate:
ATK build: (17,630 + 5,502) x 1.16 (1.16 being the average DPS increase that 16% crit rate gives over a larger sample) = *26,833.12*
DMG bonus build: (17,727 + 5,439) x 1.135 = *26,293.41*
The ATK build now deals more average damage in total at a whopping 530 dmg increase. The DMG bonus build catches up the higher Tuesday’s crit rate is (not because of the DMG bonus really, but because it just has higher crit DMG). The only way the DMG bonus build wins out is if you max Tuesday’s crit rate from outside sources which is situational at best.
Even if you DO manage to max her crit rate (Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila team for example) DMG bonus will most of the time be never worth it over ATK / crit because if you consider modes like Raids or Roguelike (let’s be honest these are the only two modes where fine tuning THIS much is going to matter) enemies are either overloaded with DMG reduction or spam you with damage dealt debuffs, which increases the DPS value of buffing Genesis DMG instead, as it remains unaffected (this argument also applies to your calculations of crit DMG vs DMG bonus for 37).
For content that’s actually considered hard enough to start fine tuning like this, buffing genesis DMG over normal DMG for characters like 37 and Tuesday will almost always be more optimal.
edit: fixed some numbers
Fails to account for critical rate 🤔
2:26 - here I said "this remains true, even if you assume that all the damage doesn't crit (incantation & poison)"
▶fine-tuned ATK, Tuesday S1 non-crit:
1837 + 439= 2276
▶fine-tuned DMG bonus, non-crit:
1878 + 427= 2305
Am I the one who fails to account for the crit, or you? How about -20% crit res down from Tuesday's debuff?
Let's see, -20% crit res down from Tuesday S2 + 10.2% base + 13.5% fine-tuned DMG bonus + 30% crit from Vila + 20% crit from Mercuria + 16% crit from her own psychube/21% if you use BnW like me: 109% crit/114% crit.
If you actually watched the video, I literally said CDMG build is better for 37. So I don't understand why & how you think I recommend DMG bonus for her (╥ω╥`)
DMG mitigation on raid boss huh, if I ever have Argus I think that problem can easily be solved, though. But since you brought DMG mitigation into play, wdyt about other DPS that don't rely on Genesis DMG? (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)
Is it really me that tryna be biased towards something that I clearly don't, or you? When what I did was only laying all the groundwork. Watch the vid again ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
Watching the video further, it seems this problem can be seen on Windsong and Isolde’s “fine-tuned” builds too? Their “Internet builds” are statistically their best DPS builds (they were made by a reputable statistics guy in CN named fengyan) and it still should be their best, bedause besides the disregarded crit rate like in Tuesday’s calcs, the damage tests on the video only show base damage (none of Isolde or Windsong’s incantations crit in the showcase) which naturally means ATK and DMG bonus will win out.
This is an even more confusing decision since Windsong’s (and by extension Isolde) entire identity is a crit DPS, so calculating her non crit damage seems irrelevant
About Windsong and Isolde, those damage crits. It's indicated by a bold number. You don't even understand between non-crit vs crit indicator on neutral lmao (╥ω╥`)
@@idk6ro With 100% crit rate the DMG bonus build wins out, yes, but most of the heavy lifting is done by the fact that the DMG bonus build has higher crit dmg, not necessarily because of the DMG bonus. You could easily combine higher crit DMG with ATK instead and it would have higher average damage than both of those builds.
Besides that, I bring up the point that having a 100% crit rate team for Tuesday is situational at best - because it’s suboptimal at worst. I bought up Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila as an example team for a theoretical 100% crit rate, but it doesn’t mean that that team doesn’t have its own share of problems. Sotheby is one of Tuesday’s best teammates right now, and running Vila not only means you take away AP from both Tuesday and Sotheby who want to spam apply poison as much as possible while rotating their Ultimates, you also run a double healer team which leaves much to be desired. Kakania is a better alternative for example, she’s completely AP friendly, automatically dealing genesis DMG while helping Sotheby out with healing, and her ATK buff works with poison - the same case can be made for Isolde vs Mercuria, but that’s besides the point.
The point is, while Tuesday/Mercuria/Vila may be able to max her crit rate out, it doesn’t mean it’s going to be the best team to maximise Tuesday’s damage. There’s also the issue of if people can even use the character; some people may not own Mercuria or Vila / using them in another team in Limbo. Most of Tuesday’s teams are not going to get her to reach 100% crit rate, and in that case, the ATK build will always be better.
And I’m fairly certain critical hit numbers have a unique symbol attached to them - red colored crits also change into a dotted texture, which I did not see in Isolde’s incantation when she hit the Intellect mob. I can send two screenshots on imgur as a comparison If really need to.
Nice 👍
So which is better for Semmelweis is it crit build or dmg bonus build? I'm fairly curious honestly and know almost nothing about the damage calculation. Considering I've R15 her on my no gacha account.
I can only speak from an R10 perspective if that's okay with you ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ her base CDMG is lower than 160% (149.1%).
And she already has a lot of DMG bonus from her Array, Insight 2, & her buff card if you use it on herself.
To help her low base cdmg up, go with the CDMG build ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ you can follow the T0~Tx fine-tune instruction if you're lost
omg finally thank you❤, but can you make dmg bonus Resonance for 37 bcs i want see it...
But could you to make Resonance for vila and J
With the fine-tuned 37's resonance in the vid, you can tweak it a little bit by swapping the J-shaped cdmg block with the L-shaped dmg bonus one ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ J's core resonance is Z shaped right? If yes then you can copy my Isolde's fine-tuned for him. As for Vila, she's pretty much using the same resonance as my Tooth Fairy in the previous video 😎👍
@idk6ro oh ok thank u s much bro😃🤩👍
What is genesis dmg
DMG that's indicated with blue icon, this DMG ignores defenses. In the other game I play, such a DMG is called "True DMG" if you're more familiar with it ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
@idk6ro oh ok
Still worth to p0 character?
P0 character? 👀
@idk6ro yaa
Idk if I like that you’ve turned into a number simp that cares about an extra 20 damage lol
Tbh rather than caring about the small number increase itself, I'm more towards "curious, how can the number increase?" ✧(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ and thanks to this long experiments & tests I got to figure out the baseline and formula to tune each DPS' resonance