If this is simply a projector, what makes TV a TV then? Why not call them displays instead? I believe the video presents a good argument for making the distinction.
@@jaroslavpolakovic7372 if I didn't know any better, and didn't research products, and was an idiot, I'd buy this and probably return it because it's not a tv. Projectors and TV's have been around long enough for people to know the difference.
@@jerry4012 I think you may be missing the point. Yes, right now the term TV usually refers to a device comprised from a TV tuner + computer + speakers + display (panel) integrated into a single unit. The argument here is that this "projector" as you call it also integrates all of this into a single unit, just replaces the "display" part with different technology. If that's enough for the device to cease being a TV, what makes a TV... a TV? Should we drop the term altogether?
Would definitely like you to cover more Laser TV/UST’s. They should improve quite a bit over the next few years. It’s weird that Sony hasn’t updated their UST offering.
I’ve had my AWOL laser tv with ALR screen for a while now. It’s 120” and now that I hooked it up to a proper sound system, I am more than pleased. Even my bf who’s a snob about his tv set up of 70” was wowed with the quality.
I’ve been watching “laser tv” for the last several weeks and love the 120” on my wall to replace my 65” R646. We’re on the same page because my first review of a “laser TV” described it exactly the same !
Contrast in conditions that aren't very dark is always going to be much weaker for projectors than TV. Think of supplementing your 65 incher, not replacing it
I think anything marketed as a "TV" should have an OTA tuner in it. In my opinion, that is the main difference between a TV and a monitor. I'm also for coverage of any kind of projector to be included in the channel. Thanks for the great content!
Yeah, people who are ok with getting a laser UST projector without a TV tuner will know the difference and people buying a TV without knowing much will feel cheated if it doesn't have a tuner.
In the last 10yr (or more) I havent used a tv tuner... its always been a cable box or a android box. The last time I tried an ota antenna and tuner I think I got maybe 3 channels
Actually, if I remember correctly, the first "laser tv" was the one developed by Mitsubishi, about 15 years ago. It was a rear projection tv and called LaserVue. And yes, it used a laser-based light engine and it was a "real" tv. The technology didn't stick at that moment, so Mitsubishi dropped its production a few years later.
I used to sell those, and I have their bulb version, a 62" sitting in my storage room with two new bulbs and a new digital engine, before I put it in storage.
This is exactly the product line I've been waiting to mature. I look forward to your reviews and comparison videos of laser televisions vs competing tech in the future!
I feel like USTs were a natural evolution of projectors. They were something that was more accessible to those who couldn't fit a full projector in their room or didn't want one hanging from their ceiling, but they were also a lot simpler. No running wires from a projector through the ceiling/walls to a receiver and all that. Everything was in a little box sitting on your media cabinet. Laser TVs are another evolution of that. Now not only do you have all of the "TV" components in the box on your media cabinet, but it also comes with a screen and built-in speakers and a tuner. Accessibility is key and providing everything in one package will attract a lot more potential buyers.
I am using a VAVA Chroma in a dedicated theater room on a 150 inch screen. It is glorious. Lot of new offerings since I bought but I am happy with what I have.
Yes, please review LaserTV / UST projectors, and ALR screens! I purchased the AWOL 3500…and replaced my living room tv with a 100” screen! The picture is fantastic. Expensive…but early adopters know that. I’d never go back to regular tv. We have an oled in our bedroom…which is great. But for movies and sports the larger screen is a complete upgrade. With an ALR screen we can watch during the day and with lights on. As for having the uniform screen size…people should be able to choose the screen size they need/want. Everyone has different square footage available. I do wish my projector had a tv tuner. But hooked up to AppleTV works great!Great video as always!!!
The "Laser TV" is a great option. Except.... in a home theater. My biggest gripe is that to properly locate a center channel is all but impossible. One option was a acoustically transparent screen, but had to be placed at least 10 to 12 inches away from the wall to accommodate a speaker behind it. Too much trouble, so I went with a 77 OLED and called it done.
Yes I think they should only have the TV if it has a TV tuner if not I call them UST projectors, and yes I think you should include them in the channel, I love your content and projectors are part of what we review.
I've just moved to laser tv from OLED. The movie immersion is on another level. Yes the blacks could be better but the size more than makes up for it. The overall picture quality is fantastic. The one large negative is setup. It's a real pain in the ass to get lined up with a screen and that's why the laser tv market won't blow up until they're easier to install. And Yes, I'd love to see reviews on Laser Tv's.
@@code3karch Obviously the OLED is better but size is part of the equation and I'll never return to tv's of any kind for movie viewing until they come bigger than 100'' at a decent price. I have 3 OLED's including a 77'' LG CX and my Epson LS800 blows them all away regards movie immersion. The picture quality on the LS800 is fantastic and it's bright enough to even look great with HDR content. The projector also throws a more natural looking image unlike the gloss screened OLED's so is more filmic looking and easier on the eyes. It's only downfall is black levels. Overall contrast is fantastic and the grey blacks are only apparent on the bars in scoped movies or extremely dark scenes where there is no light source in the scene. The blacks on OLED's are fantastic but apart from black bars when watching scoped movies, absolute black is rarely needed as all detail would be crushed. A Laser tv with good brightness and contrast will give the perception of deep blacks to the human eye in all but the most challenging scenes.
@@RobertK1993 OLED's are not without their flaws either. Burn In, Banding near black, Raised Blacks, Crushed Blacks, 24fps stutter, struggle with highly compressed content. Until OLED's come in huge sizes at reasonable prices, Projection is better. If you have the space for a large screen or even just a large wall. Size wins every time.
Seeing that the primary difference between a "television/TV" and a monitor is the presence/lack of a TV tuner. After all, Television means "broadcasting vision from a distance". So, if it has a tuner, it can be called television, and if not, then either a projector (a term already in use) or a monitor. I'd probably settle on projector, since tunerless devices that throw pictures on a flat surface not attached to the device are often called projectors. And if the tech is using lasers over some other image generating tech, I'm fine with that being included. And, if you REALLY want to get pedantic, we've had projection TV's since at least the 1980s. You could call the Hisense device a "Laser Protection TV".
The solution to projectors isn't the projector. It's the reflective surface. When they develop a surface that can reflect to the viewer 1,500 Nits of light WITH! HDMI 2.1 sources. I would say that's a game changer.
Yes please please do UST laser TV reviews! Always new TV tech being covered but so few cover UST ! Not everyone is about the best picture, some are bang for buck which includes size !
In my opinion it's a projector because it projects images to a blank distant screen, as per the name. A tv is a screen with images produced directly behind it and shown through the screen, with watching consumer-oriented entertainment its main function, such as movies and games from a game console, however many can function well with a gaming computer as well. Monitors, as per the name, are the same but designed for "monitoring" with a computer, typically with a smaller display for use at a desk for more upright, intensive tasks such as editing content, producing music, or even gaming. It's often used for more professional tasks to monitor quality of content or get an optimal view of gameplay for streamers etc. There can be some overlap, especially today in televisions and monitors but overall they have their differences which can usually be distinguished in my opinion. We should keep the terms we've had well-established for years in my opinion, until we have more concrete reason to change said terms. The title had me thinking this was a new tv display technology compared to the likes of OLED, microLED, etc.
If an affordable one that supports 3D and has a low input lag (for gaming) were to be released, I'd jump at it. I love the idea of not having to run cabling through the ceiling in my finished basement to complete my theater system.
@@jdx4174 I did actually! The price is still above what I can afford in the short run, but these projectors look like someone definitely worth following as tech progresses
Truth is it’ll come down to three things 1) Your preference in immersion level/seating distance 2) Frame rate (LTVs are only 60hz @ “4k”, kind of a let down with action films or anything move than a walking pace for that matter) 3) Black levels/ daytime viewing (I can black out my living room so possible work arounds, however, night viewing with moderately lit rooms are 6 out of 10)
@@teofilol2666 I was considering it however I bought my Vava Chroma as a preorder with a 120" screen for $2800 all in. Where as now it's probably $4500-$5000 after tax. So to me that was absolute no brainer but secondly I didn't mention it because is very likely in 4 years "Entry-level" 100" TVs will be in that price range. As for right now you're right UST projectors are half to one third the cost 100" to 100" with equal picture quality and frame rate. Above a 100" USTs are a must as prices sky rocket after that size.
Definitely would love to see more reviews of USTs/Laser TVs. After upgrading our living room TV and finishing our family theater room, I am hoping one will be our next major purchase. Seeing how much prices have come down in just the last 2 years makes this a serious consideration.
I happen to have an old 50” Panasonic plasma monitor. It doesn’t have speakers, or a tuner, but it *looks* like a TV so that’s what people call it. With the projector it doesn’t have the same form factor so I don’t know if people will call it a TV, but I think requiring it to have a tuner is a good idea if for no other reason than to prevent manufacturers from dropping them for cost savings.
What do you need a TV tuner for? You got cable or satellite or TH-cam TV or something similar? Yeah, get it, since you can get local channels elsewhere or are included in most subscriptions services, there's really no need for tuners. Trust me, it will not be long b4 they go away like vhs tapes.
A company I worked for here in lil ole ENGLAND developed a true laser projector back in 1980 over 40 years ago. It used a ruby laser and a dye laser to get the 3 primary colours. A rotating multi segment mirror produced a line scan, and a second rapidly oscillating mirror produced the vertical frame. The lasers needed a gallon of water per minute to cool them. Also, a very large 25 kilowatt power supply. The resultant picture was perfectly viewable in a well lit room and about 100 inches in side. Because of the power and cooling requirements, it was not really commercially viable. The company was Dwight Cavendish, located in St. Neots in Cambridgeshire, England.
I'm about to build a home theater in the basement in the coming 6 months or so. I'm torn between long throw projector or USTs. It'll be light controller room so not a problem for either of them, but while recommendations now are for long throw, i have a gut feeling that all the tech focus are on USTs right now? Just a feeling that they'll advance quick and eventually be super good for a 120" screen.
Us and AegisAV are partnering together with Vividstorm (and hopefully SI) for a single unit (cabinet, screen, projector) with up to 120" floor rising UST screen. We have been exhibiting and installing UST projectors since the Optoma GT5500+ came out, way ahead of a lot of other AV companies. I believe in innovative technology, not brand names. When you have TV's and standard projectors being in the human psyche for decades (in the case of projectors, a millennium), coming up with a new twist on the same concept, is what makes it innovative, especially if it solves multiple issues. UST's solve the big screen enjoyment, in a space that a standard projector can't do and where you can't hang a TV, and get a screen much larger for less. Remember, the numbers go from TV to projection when you go above 85". I can demonstrate a 120" screen in less of a space that you would for a standard couch, and with disappearing screen, you don't have a huge monolith when it is turned off (any TV) or a huge screen on the wall. It makes spouses very happy.
Yes please do and please give the awol some love no one wants to review this but I promise you the 3500 awol is a wonderful tv esp in my living room with skylights right above it and a big triple fixed window on the other side..... Keep up the work enjoy the channel
I just ordered a new laser tv. 3D and capable of up to 150 inches was the selling point for me. I have a 110 inch screen that the projector I have can’t fit the screen in the place I have it and this new UST projector will change that. If it works well enough, I’ll be ditching a lot of my old tech.
Okay, to your request, you absolutely should--maybe even must--make reviews regarding Laser TVs and UST projectors. I've been studying these products for a couple weeks now and the terminology argument you were making really helped me understand some concepts that (or should be) important to consumers. At first, I was a little resistant because I can't remember the last time I used the native tuner (but now I admit I'm close with my current Roku TV), BUT it is 100% true that I've never bought a TV without a screen lol. And the importance of the screen when it comes to the quality of the viewing experience with a UST is undeniable. If you don't have a consumer base educated on that, you will have many spend thousands of dollars on a UST without understanding that they may need to spend thousands more on a screen--or a particular screen like ALR--to achieve the results they are hoping for. After all, today, they (we) process a projector as something better for a dark room. Use the word "TV" and amp up marketing on brightness and you'll get a lot of consumers fooled into buying and end up feeling like they were swindled into a nickel-and-diming drain, not to mention an unintended, self-inflicted bad rep to the same manufacturers who are producing what looks to be an incredible emerging technology. Most people don't study when they buy...I am in this case because the dollars are way too high for me to flippantly drop 5-10 grand on something. And what happened? I got super excited over a projector and then discovered I needed to spend a grand more on a screen. And then I discovered I needed to spend another grand more on top of it to get the right screen that would work. And then I discovered I might need to spend a couple more grand on a stand/or cabinet so my setup wouldn't look like I was house poor with sh** on the floor instead of cleanly placed into a console. So, yeah...hope this helps with your request: Please do continue educating on the topic and definitely do reviews of laser projectors and laser tv's. Also, maybe advocate for this concept: laser projector as a standalone, ALR or any other screen as a standalone, laser tv as the package, BUT...the concept of what I'll call an integrated laser TV, where the screen uses some of the lost depth to de-bulk the projector. If that doesn't make sense, think of the bulky projector today and a floor rising screen. Then imagine some of the bulk from the projector has moved from the projector to the back of the back to the screen, and what instead extends out in motorized fashion is only what is needed to project. I feel like I'm giving a patent away here, but my hope is if I am, someone with a decent heart would compensate me appropriately lol. Regardless, hope this helps--and thank you for this video.
Peace be with you! I enjoy your channel and thought to take you up on your suggestion to comment on the Phrase “Laser TV’s.” - I own a UST - Love to see UST reviews here - Why not just call them what they are , UST? - An ALR Screen should NOT be an Determining factor because it’s possible to simply project on a wall. After all it’s a Projector. - Like modern day TV’s, the video source can be a DVD, Streaming and TV Tuner but how many people receive over-the-air TV reception? - What’s more important is the device’s built in Streaming Service ie: Google TV, Roku, Apple TV et al, Many people “cutting the cable” want Netflix. Netflix isn’t available on Google TV. So the person would need to purchase a Streaming Box My Humble Opinion
Note that the Hisense does not call their "C1 4K UHD Triple Color RGB Laser Portable Mini Projector" a TV. An external tuner connected via HDMI might not be a bad thing. That would at least offer the consumer the option of 'upgrading' the Tuner when the OTA TV industry has finally decided what they are going to implement.
I just watched your review on the Laser TV and was thoroughly impressed. I appreciated your coverage of this technology and would like to see more content on the Laser TV in the future. Long-time fan! Keep up the great work!
I would love to use ultra short throws and laser tvs be reviewed on this channel as I've got LG'S HU85LA ultra short throw and it's pretty much turned into the house's TV. Projectors are going to stay my primary TV because I'll never be able to afford a 100" TV outside of prices dropping astronomically. I do plan on, when it eventually dies, upgrading to whatever has three lasers. Whether it's a laser TV or something termed something else. As long as it looks good and I get my large screen, I could care less what people call it. I am thinking Hisense though because their installation of their screens is much more straight forward then just measuring yourself and adjusting. Either way, I'm happy to see the technology expanding.
Hinsese Laser TV ( and all shorthrough projector) is a 0.47DMD chipset projector. Theoretically 4k, but the actual resolution is slightly better than 1080p. 0.66 chipset projectors are almost equivalent to 4k. And the laser dlp engine produce noticable rainbow effect.
I really like your channel! Full supporter but I thought that you were gonna give us like image quality or comparison. Was the same information for ten minutes 😵💫
Good marketing points for laser TV. But you stated one really fundamental flaw; if you can get an 85"-100" ALR screen (23kg boxed) to a location, then you can as well get an 85"-100" lcd or oled TV (64kg boxed) there. So really, there isn't a location where you can't get a traditional TV and can get a laser TV.
I disagree. The ALR screens are either disassembled or rolled up and come in a narrow but long box. So, it allows you to take it up stairs easier by carrying it vertically if necessary to get around corners. The maximum TV size that I could get up my stairs without the box would be about 70 inches. You could easily get a 100 inch or more up the stairs with a long narrow box.
Caleb after this video, I'm thinking if you could only go back in time to review the big projection TV's in 50" and 55" from the 1980's. If only could make a funny video defining what a "projection TV" is in this decade. Anyone under 50 probably has no idea what that looked like. I'll watch your projection videos. The only thing about them is they do require dark theater rooms and only people that do DIY theater rooms aren't likely to need to TH-cam reviews for a laser projectors. These people make youtube videos showing off in home theater rooms like freaking money is no damn object. These guys know from the start what they want without a projector review. Projectors always work best in dark rooms so that's the biggest drawback about them. On that note, what the youtube influencers' consensus say about TVs over 80" is they recommend that instead of buying these super big Tv's is to just buy a projector. The drawback to super big Tv's is how do you get rid of them when you want to upgrade?So projectors have a real and better purpose. For me a 55" TV is way bigger than anything I really need but I watch those bigger TV reviews anyway.
Loving the current openness to ultra short throw projection. This market is growing FAST and I'm so happy to have been able to witness it grow! Yes, @DigitalTrends, PLEASE have Caleb do a LOT MORE reviews for "Laser TV's". I would love to see them. This video gets a like from me. Finally Caleb sees the potential of USTs over glossy Flat Panel TVs now? lol
I definitely agree that if it’s going to be called a “TV” it should be an all-in-one purchase (no, may not be one piece but it should all come in one package). I would differ, however, and say that if it will be called TV it doesn’t need to have a TV tuner built in but should have some form of content consumption built in (ie Roku / Google TV / Fire TV or yes even a digital OTA tuner). That way there is no need to buy a separate accessory to begin enjoying your purchase.
At the end you said "rear projection system" when I assume you meant to say traditional front projection system (or however you would say non-UST projector). Since rear projection systems are not made anymore and would be even harder to get around corners.
Unless you're planning on constructing an 85 inch screen inside your cramped NY apartment, I don't see how transporting a fragile projection screen, fully stretched out, will be that much easier to get inside your apartment than an OLED TV.
CRT front mounted projectors were considered a console TV for its day. Rear projection DLP units that were fully enclosed in the same cabinet that held the speakers, projection screen, tuner, etc. was also known as a projection screen TV. Pico laser projectors have been around for some years now and could be used with external tuners to serve as the TV portion. So I'm not really sure why this is new to you since you review all things digital.
My biggest regret getting the Samsung laser projector is that white text has this green and red outline around it. It makes reading video game text very troublesome. Besides that it's very awesome for movies and games.
Yes reviews of Laser/UST projectors on the channel as well as receivers with say a consistent set of speakers to know what works, what changes each's system does to your setup.
I've been using a 4k UST since mid-2021--a VAVA projecting a 150" image--and it's caused a major revival of my love of film. I've been buying physical media since DVDs in 1998, but didn't get a "large" (40") HDTV TV until 2011, then a 55" 4K in 2017, having seen so many of my favorite films only laptop monitors or before that something like a 27" CRT. So, "TV". Seeing both old favorites and new discoveries at 150" has been like... "the movies," "film," "cinema". It's caused me to buy at least a couple hundred blu ray and 4k UHD discs (many replacing DVDs). It's been just wonderful, and I hope I never have to go back to "TV'. (I have a very plumb and straight bright white wall, and have no need/desire whatsoever to try to source/install a screen. The screen would completely change the "disappearing act" thet the UST achieves, such that far from dominating the room (singular, of my loft apartment) most people don't realize it's there until it's on. That means we don't really use it during the day, which is fine. It keeps the experience more cinema-like and special to use it only with lights down/off.)
Yep, I was just going to say that. Rear-projection and included a TV tuner. The only brightness spec I could find was a third-party site claiming 110.88 foot-lamberts, which equates to about 380 nits, which seems kind of low for something they represented as blindingly bright. I wanted one of these badly way back when, but they were extremely expensive and I could never justify it. Now with QD-OLED, I feel the benefits of a laser TV in any form (front or rear projection) are a lot less clear for a general TV buyer. If you're in the market for a projector, though, it probably beats the socks off everything else.
Caleb, personally I don't want you reviewing USTs just for the sake of reviewing USTs. I think their rise in popularity is a symptom of a pretty clear cut problem: 1. most people want a giant ass screen 2. most TV rooms are small 3. most people don't have room for something like your bdi corridor 4. most people don't own the walls they would have to wall mount unto. Alternative mounting solutions to giant tvs is what I think USTs should be compared to, as theyre otherwise technologically inferior. Considering how lightweight the LG C series has gotten, I'm currently torn between going for a heavy duty monitor arm attached to a extra heavy coffee table or something like a perlegear rolling TV stand in its smallest configuration. Considering your access to screens and other tech, I'd kill for your take on this.
I would like to learn the visual differences between the laser tv offerings. which brand has better clarity, color saturation, we are thinking about using one for a theater room, however there isnt alot of reviews i can find who are talking about these things.
For something to be TV it needs to have Tuner build in. As for whether a screen should be included - I think so. Customer should be able to compare the contrast and brightness of regular and lazer TV directly.
Okay, how about this: Front Laser Projection Television (FLPTV) Rear Laser Projection Television (RLPTV) We've had rear projection TVs in the past where the lamp shines the light at the back of the screen. Previously, back during 1999 or so, we used to have an RPTV with three light sources (red, green, and blue). In order to ensure the best convergence, each red, green, and blue CRT source has to be adjusted in order to make it white as shown in the grid. Now, would it be possible to have a laser light source projecting from the back of the TV? That reminded me of the DLP from the likes of Mitsubishi TVs?
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Whatever you or anyone else calls it, I will call it a projector because that's what it is
Agreed.
Yup, it's a laser projector
If this is simply a projector, what makes TV a TV then? Why not call them displays instead? I believe the video presents a good argument for making the distinction.
@@jaroslavpolakovic7372 if I didn't know any better, and didn't research products, and was an idiot, I'd buy this and probably return it because it's not a tv. Projectors and TV's have been around long enough for people to know the difference.
@@jerry4012 I think you may be missing the point. Yes, right now the term TV usually refers to a device comprised from a TV tuner + computer + speakers + display (panel) integrated into a single unit. The argument here is that this "projector" as you call it also integrates all of this into a single unit, just replaces the "display" part with different technology. If that's enough for the device to cease being a TV, what makes a TV... a TV? Should we drop the term altogether?
Would definitely like you to cover more Laser TV/UST’s. They should improve quite a bit over the next few years. It’s weird that Sony hasn’t updated their UST offering.
And projector screen too.
I’ve had my AWOL laser tv with ALR screen for a while now. It’s 120” and now that I hooked it up to a proper sound system, I am more than pleased. Even my bf who’s a snob about his tv set up of 70” was wowed with the quality.
There rubbish and way over priced lol.
I’ve been watching “laser tv” for the last several weeks and love the 120” on my wall to replace my 65” R646. We’re on the same page because my first review of a “laser TV” described it exactly the same !
Contrast in conditions that aren't very dark is always going to be much weaker for projectors than TV. Think of supplementing your 65 incher, not replacing it
I think anything marketed as a "TV" should have an OTA tuner in it. In my opinion, that is the main difference between a TV and a monitor. I'm also for coverage of any kind of projector to be included in the channel. Thanks for the great content!
Monitors typically don’t have a scaler, and rely on the device connected to it to scale the image.
Yeah, people who are ok with getting a laser UST projector without a TV tuner will know the difference and people buying a TV without knowing much will feel cheated if it doesn't have a tuner.
In the last 10yr (or more) I havent used a tv tuner... its always been a cable box or a android box. The last time I tried an ota antenna and tuner I think I got maybe 3 channels
Yes please do some reviews on those. We need more consumer education type videos too, like this one!
Actually, if I remember correctly, the first "laser tv" was the one developed by Mitsubishi, about 15 years ago. It was a rear projection tv and called LaserVue. And yes, it used a laser-based light engine and it was a "real" tv. The technology didn't stick at that moment, so Mitsubishi dropped its production a few years later.
It's essentially the exact same thing. Swap rear projection to the front and move it out of the TV's case
I used to sell those, and I have their bulb version, a 62" sitting in my storage room with two new bulbs and a new digital engine, before I put it in storage.
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Yeah, i was a bit confused about the start. I was waiting for some kind of clarification that never came.
Should read before I comment. Exactly what I thought
This is exactly the product line I've been waiting to mature. I look forward to your reviews and comparison videos of laser televisions vs competing tech in the future!
I feel like USTs were a natural evolution of projectors. They were something that was more accessible to those who couldn't fit a full projector in their room or didn't want one hanging from their ceiling, but they were also a lot simpler. No running wires from a projector through the ceiling/walls to a receiver and all that. Everything was in a little box sitting on your media cabinet.
Laser TVs are another evolution of that. Now not only do you have all of the "TV" components in the box on your media cabinet, but it also comes with a screen and built-in speakers and a tuner. Accessibility is key and providing everything in one package will attract a lot more potential buyers.
I am using a VAVA Chroma in a dedicated theater room on a 150 inch screen. It is glorious. Lot of new offerings since I bought but I am happy with what I have.
Total yes to reviewing laser tv and ust
Yes, please review LaserTV / UST projectors, and ALR screens!
I purchased the AWOL 3500…and replaced my living room tv with a 100” screen! The picture is fantastic. Expensive…but early adopters know that. I’d never go back to regular tv. We have an oled in our bedroom…which is great. But for movies and sports the larger screen is a complete upgrade. With an ALR screen we can watch during the day and with lights on. As for having the uniform screen size…people should be able to choose the screen size they need/want. Everyone has different square footage available. I do wish my projector had a tv tuner. But hooked up to AppleTV works great!Great video as always!!!
The "Laser TV" is a great option. Except.... in a home theater. My biggest gripe is that to properly locate a center channel is all but impossible. One option was a acoustically transparent screen, but had to be placed at least 10 to 12 inches away from the wall to accommodate a speaker behind it. Too much trouble, so I went with a 77 OLED and called it done.
I'm glad someone has said it that all these projectors should come with an ALR screen at that price point 😁
"frickin’ laser beams" Dr. Evil 😆
I want sharks with friggin laser tvs attached to their heads!
Yes I think they should only have the TV if it has a TV tuner if not I call them UST projectors, and yes I think you should include them in the channel, I love your content and projectors are part of what we review.
I've just moved to laser tv from OLED. The movie immersion is on another level. Yes the blacks could be better but the size more than makes up for it. The overall picture quality is fantastic. The one large negative is setup. It's a real pain in the ass to get lined up with a screen and that's why the laser tv market won't blow up until they're easier to install.
And Yes, I'd love to see reviews on Laser Tv's.
If size was not part of the equation, which tv do you prefer for picture quality overall? OLED or Laser?
OLED is better
@@code3karch OLED is better laser has black level issues meaning worse then LED/Mini LED
@@code3karch Obviously the OLED is better but size is part of the equation and I'll never return to tv's of any kind for movie viewing until they come bigger than 100'' at a decent price. I have 3 OLED's including a 77'' LG CX and my Epson LS800 blows them all away regards movie immersion.
The picture quality on the LS800 is fantastic and it's bright enough to even look great with HDR content. The projector also throws a more natural looking image unlike the gloss screened OLED's so is more filmic looking and easier on the eyes.
It's only downfall is black levels. Overall contrast is fantastic and the grey blacks are only apparent on the bars in scoped movies or extremely dark scenes where there is no light source in the scene.
The blacks on OLED's are fantastic but apart from black bars when watching scoped movies, absolute black is rarely needed as all detail would be crushed. A Laser tv with good brightness and contrast will give the perception of deep blacks to the human eye in all but the most challenging scenes.
@@RobertK1993 OLED's are not without their flaws either. Burn In, Banding near black, Raised Blacks, Crushed Blacks, 24fps stutter, struggle with highly compressed content.
Until OLED's come in huge sizes at reasonable prices, Projection is better. If you have the space for a large screen or even just a large wall. Size wins every time.
Seeing that the primary difference between a "television/TV" and a monitor is the presence/lack of a TV tuner. After all, Television means "broadcasting vision from a distance". So, if it has a tuner, it can be called television, and if not, then either a projector (a term already in use) or a monitor. I'd probably settle on projector, since tunerless devices that throw pictures on a flat surface not attached to the device are often called projectors. And if the tech is using lasers over some other image generating tech, I'm fine with that being included. And, if you REALLY want to get pedantic, we've had projection TV's since at least the 1980s. You could call the Hisense device a "Laser Protection TV".
The solution to projectors isn't the projector. It's the reflective surface. When they develop a surface that can reflect to the viewer 1,500 Nits of light WITH! HDMI 2.1 sources. I would say that's a game changer.
Gotta get that input lag for gaming down too. Some of them are absolutely non starters.
Would love to see more UST LTV content, seeing as it’s looking like the pricing of them compete with most mid/high level tv’s
Yes please please do UST laser TV reviews! Always new TV tech being covered but so few cover UST ! Not everyone is about the best picture, some are bang for buck which includes size !
In my opinion it's a projector because it projects images to a blank distant screen, as per the name. A tv is a screen with images produced directly behind it and shown through the screen, with watching consumer-oriented entertainment its main function, such as movies and games from a game console, however many can function well with a gaming computer as well. Monitors, as per the name, are the same but designed for "monitoring" with a computer, typically with a smaller display for use at a desk for more upright, intensive tasks such as editing content, producing music, or even gaming. It's often used for more professional tasks to monitor quality of content or get an optimal view of gameplay for streamers etc. There can be some overlap, especially today in televisions and monitors but overall they have their differences which can usually be distinguished in my opinion. We should keep the terms we've had well-established for years in my opinion, until we have more concrete reason to change said terms. The title had me thinking this was a new tv display technology compared to the likes of OLED, microLED, etc.
Yes please, I would like to see more UST Projector and Laser TV reviews.
If an affordable one that supports 3D and has a low input lag (for gaming) were to be released, I'd jump at it. I love the idea of not having to run cabling through the ceiling in my finished basement to complete my theater system.
Now that we have the Awol Vision 3000 and 3500pro, did you get one?
@@jdx4174 I did actually! The price is still above what I can afford in the short run, but these projectors look like someone definitely worth following as tech progresses
Yes please. Ust / laser tvs are great tech for people who don’t always want a screen in their space. Please cover more
I would love to see reviews on the Hisense laser tvs. Wondering how close the value proposition is for these versus a 90"+ traditional TV.
Truth is it’ll come down to three things
1) Your preference in immersion level/seating distance
2) Frame rate (LTVs are only 60hz @ “4k”, kind of a let down with action films or anything move than a walking pace for that matter)
3) Black levels/ daytime viewing (I can black out my living room so possible work arounds, however, night viewing with moderately lit rooms are 6 out of 10)
@@djparra41 you should talk about the price difference also.
@@teofilol2666 I was considering it however I bought my Vava Chroma as a preorder with a 120" screen for $2800 all in. Where as now it's probably $4500-$5000 after tax. So to me that was absolute no brainer but secondly I didn't mention it because is very likely in 4 years "Entry-level" 100" TVs will be in that price range. As for right now you're right UST projectors are half to one third the cost 100" to 100" with equal picture quality and frame rate. Above a 100" USTs are a must as prices sky rocket after that size.
Definitely would love to see more reviews of USTs/Laser TVs. After upgrading our living room TV and finishing our family theater room, I am hoping one will be our next major purchase. Seeing how much prices have come down in just the last 2 years makes this a serious consideration.
I happen to have an old 50” Panasonic plasma monitor. It doesn’t have speakers, or a tuner, but it *looks* like a TV so that’s what people call it. With the projector it doesn’t have the same form factor so I don’t know if people will call it a TV, but I think requiring it to have a tuner is a good idea if for no other reason than to prevent manufacturers from dropping them for cost savings.
What do you need a TV tuner for? You got cable or satellite or TH-cam TV or something similar? Yeah, get it, since you can get local channels elsewhere or are included in most subscriptions services, there's really no need for tuners. Trust me, it will not be long b4 they go away like vhs tapes.
yes cover way more laser / projector tvs. people that move often need them
1st time that I've heard of the term...I agree with your definition too...One package that supplies all the functions of a "TV"
A company I worked for here in lil ole ENGLAND developed a true laser projector back in 1980 over 40 years ago. It used a ruby laser and a dye laser to get the 3 primary colours. A rotating multi segment mirror produced a line scan, and a second rapidly oscillating mirror produced the vertical frame. The lasers needed a gallon of water per minute to cool them. Also, a very large 25 kilowatt power supply.
The resultant picture was perfectly viewable in a well lit room and about 100 inches in side.
Because of the power and cooling requirements, it was not really commercially viable.
The company was Dwight Cavendish, located in St. Neots in Cambridgeshire, England.
I'm about to build a home theater in the basement in the coming 6 months or so. I'm torn between long throw projector or USTs. It'll be light controller room so not a problem for either of them, but while recommendations now are for long throw, i have a gut feeling that all the tech focus are on USTs right now? Just a feeling that they'll advance quick and eventually be super good for a 120" screen.
Us and AegisAV are partnering together with Vividstorm (and hopefully SI) for a single unit (cabinet, screen, projector) with up to 120" floor rising UST screen. We have been exhibiting and installing UST projectors since the Optoma GT5500+ came out, way ahead of a lot of other AV companies. I believe in innovative technology, not brand names. When you have TV's and standard projectors being in the human psyche for decades (in the case of projectors, a millennium), coming up with a new twist on the same concept, is what makes it innovative, especially if it solves multiple issues. UST's solve the big screen enjoyment, in a space that a standard projector can't do and where you can't hang a TV, and get a screen much larger for less. Remember, the numbers go from TV to projection when you go above 85". I can demonstrate a 120" screen in less of a space that you would for a standard couch, and with disappearing screen, you don't have a huge monolith when it is turned off (any TV) or a huge screen on the wall. It makes spouses very happy.
Yes please do and please give the awol some love no one wants to review this but I promise you the 3500 awol is a wonderful tv esp in my living room with skylights right above it and a big triple fixed window on the other side..... Keep up the work enjoy the channel
Now I want a video actually showing the product and if it's any good
I just ordered a new laser tv. 3D and capable of up to 150 inches was the selling point for me. I have a 110 inch screen that the projector I have can’t fit the screen in the place I have it and this new UST projector will change that. If it works well enough, I’ll be ditching a lot of my old tech.
LG had a short throw Laser projector many years ago, it was called Hugo AFAIR and the Hugo 2 did not materialise.
Okay, to your request, you absolutely should--maybe even must--make reviews regarding Laser TVs and UST projectors. I've been studying these products for a couple weeks now and the terminology argument you were making really helped me understand some concepts that (or should be) important to consumers. At first, I was a little resistant because I can't remember the last time I used the native tuner (but now I admit I'm close with my current Roku TV), BUT it is 100% true that I've never bought a TV without a screen lol. And the importance of the screen when it comes to the quality of the viewing experience with a UST is undeniable. If you don't have a consumer base educated on that, you will have many spend thousands of dollars on a UST without understanding that they may need to spend thousands more on a screen--or a particular screen like ALR--to achieve the results they are hoping for. After all, today, they (we) process a projector as something better for a dark room. Use the word "TV" and amp up marketing on brightness and you'll get a lot of consumers fooled into buying and end up feeling like they were swindled into a nickel-and-diming drain, not to mention an unintended, self-inflicted bad rep to the same manufacturers who are producing what looks to be an incredible emerging technology. Most people don't study when they buy...I am in this case because the dollars are way too high for me to flippantly drop 5-10 grand on something. And what happened? I got super excited over a projector and then discovered I needed to spend a grand more on a screen. And then I discovered I needed to spend another grand more on top of it to get the right screen that would work. And then I discovered I might need to spend a couple more grand on a stand/or cabinet so my setup wouldn't look like I was house poor with sh** on the floor instead of cleanly placed into a console. So, yeah...hope this helps with your request: Please do continue educating on the topic and definitely do reviews of laser projectors and laser tv's. Also, maybe advocate for this concept: laser projector as a standalone, ALR or any other screen as a standalone, laser tv as the package, BUT...the concept of what I'll call an integrated laser TV, where the screen uses some of the lost depth to de-bulk the projector. If that doesn't make sense, think of the bulky projector today and a floor rising screen. Then imagine some of the bulk from the projector has moved from the projector to the back of the back to the screen, and what instead extends out in motorized fashion is only what is needed to project. I feel like I'm giving a patent away here, but my hope is if I am, someone with a decent heart would compensate me appropriately lol. Regardless, hope this helps--and thank you for this video.
Excited to adopt this tech as soon as my kids are past the touch everything at eye level stage.
Yes , Please do reviews on Laser TV / UST Projector.
I'm old enough to remember Mitsubishi marketing a laser TV well before Hisense. They were rear projection, but still.
Yes more laser tv /ust projectors reviews Plz!
Very informative. But what does the image look like? How's the quality?
Yes please review Laser TV’s/short throw projectors…
Yesss please I would watch all your laser tv/ projector videos if you made them!!!
Peace be with you! I enjoy your channel and thought to take you up on your suggestion to comment on the Phrase “Laser TV’s.”
- I own a UST
- Love to see UST reviews here
- Why not just call them what they are , UST?
- An ALR Screen should NOT be an Determining factor because it’s possible to simply project on a wall. After all it’s a Projector.
- Like modern day TV’s, the video source can be a DVD, Streaming and TV Tuner but how many people receive over-the-air TV reception?
- What’s more important is the device’s built in Streaming Service ie: Google TV, Roku, Apple TV et al, Many people “cutting the cable” want Netflix. Netflix isn’t available on Google TV. So the person would need to purchase a Streaming Box
My Humble Opinion
Note that the Hisense does not call their "C1 4K UHD Triple Color RGB Laser Portable Mini Projector" a TV.
An external tuner connected via HDMI might not be a bad thing. That would at least offer the consumer the option of 'upgrading' the Tuner when the OTA TV industry has finally decided what they are going to implement.
Yes, please review Laser TV's. I would like to buy one in the future.
I just watched your review on the Laser TV and was thoroughly impressed. I appreciated your coverage of this technology and would like to see more content on the Laser TV in the future. Long-time fan! Keep up the great work!
It's called Ultra Short Throw Projector.
I would love to use ultra short throws and laser tvs be reviewed on this channel as I've got LG'S HU85LA ultra short throw and it's pretty much turned into the house's TV. Projectors are going to stay my primary TV because I'll never be able to afford a 100" TV outside of prices dropping astronomically. I do plan on, when it eventually dies, upgrading to whatever has three lasers. Whether it's a laser TV or something termed something else. As long as it looks good and I get my large screen, I could care less what people call it. I am thinking Hisense though because their installation of their screens is much more straight forward then just measuring yourself and adjusting. Either way, I'm happy to see the technology expanding.
Yes, yes, and yes. Please cover more of this space. I personally feel this direction that the industry is going.
This is what Samsung’s The Frame needed to be! And it’ll be cool to see Samsung fully release this in a few years.
Here in the UK, no matter what make of vacuum cleaner you own, you do 'the hoovering'
Yes, Please review the Short throw projector
I have never in my life heard anyone call a pressure cooker anything but a pressure cooker.
I hear insta pot all the time
I call it a rice cooker
Must be regional.
Hinsese Laser TV ( and all shorthrough projector) is a 0.47DMD chipset projector. Theoretically 4k, but the actual resolution is slightly better than 1080p. 0.66 chipset projectors are almost equivalent to 4k. And the laser dlp engine produce noticable rainbow effect.
I really like your channel! Full supporter but I thought that you were gonna give us like image quality or comparison.
Was the same information for ten minutes 😵💫
Good marketing points for laser TV. But you stated one really fundamental flaw; if you can get an 85"-100" ALR screen (23kg boxed) to a location, then you can as well get an 85"-100" lcd or oled TV (64kg boxed) there.
So really, there isn't a location where you can't get a traditional TV and can get a laser TV.
I disagree. The ALR screens are either disassembled or rolled up and come in a narrow but long box. So, it allows you to take it up stairs easier by carrying it vertically if necessary to get around corners. The maximum TV size that I could get up my stairs without the box would be about 70 inches. You could easily get a 100 inch or more up the stairs with a long narrow box.
LG had a “laser tv” all the way back at CES 2013 FYI. I don’t think Hisense was the first to coin it.
Caleb after this video, I'm thinking if you could only go back in time to review the big projection TV's in 50" and 55" from the 1980's. If only could make a funny video defining what a "projection TV" is in this decade. Anyone under 50 probably has no idea what that looked like.
I'll watch your projection videos. The only thing about them is they do require dark theater rooms and only people that do DIY theater rooms aren't likely to need to TH-cam reviews for a laser projectors. These people make youtube videos showing off in home theater rooms like freaking money is no damn object. These guys know from the start what they want without a projector review.
Projectors always work best in dark rooms so that's the biggest drawback about them. On that note, what the youtube influencers' consensus say about TVs over 80" is they recommend that instead of buying these super big Tv's is to just buy a projector. The drawback to super big Tv's is how do you get rid of them when you want to upgrade?So projectors have a real and better purpose.
For me a 55" TV is way bigger than anything I really need but I watch those bigger TV reviews anyway.
Yes , please expound we were discussing this with some pals 2 years ago.
I actually didnt know brands were still doing Laser UST Projectors, I only knew about the 2013 LG model that cost over 10 Grand.
would love
some more content about laser TVs and projectors! DO IT!
Yes, please review Laser TVs in the future. Thank you.
I'm very interested in getting a UST and screen. Reviews would be great.
Loving the current openness to ultra short throw projection. This market is growing FAST and I'm so happy to have been able to witness it grow! Yes, @DigitalTrends, PLEASE have Caleb do a LOT MORE reviews for "Laser TV's". I would love to see them. This video gets a like from me. Finally Caleb sees the potential of USTs over glossy Flat Panel TVs now? lol
I agree 100%. Should include a Laser projector along with a ALR screen.
Thanks for explaining.
I definitely agree that if it’s going to be called a “TV” it should be an all-in-one purchase (no, may not be one piece but it should all come in one package). I would differ, however, and say that if it will be called TV it doesn’t need to have a TV tuner built in but should have some form of content consumption built in (ie Roku / Google TV / Fire TV or yes even a digital OTA tuner). That way there is no need to buy a separate accessory to begin enjoying your purchase.
i plan to purchase one soon so yes. more reviews on these. your reviews are always A+ .
My ust laser projector is frankly jaw dropping
Yes please for LTV reviews ❤
At the end you said "rear projection system" when I assume you meant to say traditional front projection system (or however you would say non-UST projector). Since rear projection systems are not made anymore and would be even harder to get around corners.
Yes, please review Laser TVs
Yes, cover more Lazer TV's.
Would love to see reviews for Laser TV/Projectors
Please include USTs in your catalog of reviews
YES, YES, YES. My next TV will certainly be a UST, PLEASE review them!
Unless you're planning on constructing an 85 inch screen inside your cramped NY apartment, I don't see how transporting a fragile projection screen, fully stretched out, will be that much easier to get inside your apartment than an OLED TV.
Would definitely love some reviews for laser TV, always appreciate your input
Yes please to UST projectors!
CRT front mounted projectors were considered a console TV for its day. Rear projection DLP units that were fully enclosed in the same cabinet that held the speakers, projection screen, tuner, etc. was also known as a projection screen TV. Pico laser projectors have been around for some years now and could be used with external tuners to serve as the TV portion. So I'm not really sure why this is new to you since you review all things digital.
Lasers and Instant Pots - the 2 favorite toys of any Gamorrean space pirate!
My biggest regret getting the Samsung laser projector is that white text has this green and red outline around it. It makes reading video game text very troublesome. Besides that it's very awesome for movies and games.
Yes, please review.
Yes reviews of Laser/UST projectors on the channel as well as receivers with say a consistent set of speakers to know what works, what changes each's system does to your setup.
Yes!! Projectors plz!!
I've been using a 4k UST since mid-2021--a VAVA projecting a 150" image--and it's caused a major revival of my love of film. I've been buying physical media since DVDs in 1998, but didn't get a "large" (40") HDTV TV until 2011, then a 55" 4K in 2017, having seen so many of my favorite films only laptop monitors or before that something like a 27" CRT. So, "TV". Seeing both old favorites and new discoveries at 150" has been like... "the movies," "film," "cinema". It's caused me to buy at least a couple hundred blu ray and 4k UHD discs (many replacing DVDs). It's been just wonderful, and I hope I never have to go back to "TV'.
(I have a very plumb and straight bright white wall, and have no need/desire whatsoever to try to source/install a screen. The screen would completely change the "disappearing act" thet the UST achieves, such that far from dominating the room (singular, of my loft apartment) most people don't realize it's there until it's on. That means we don't really use it during the day, which is fine. It keeps the experience more cinema-like and special to use it only with lights down/off.)
As for "Laser TV," I'm glad that parlance wasn't in use (or at least, I never heard it) when I was researching USTs. Silly name.
Looking sharp there guy 💛
I think the LaserVue tv by Mitsubishi was probably the first laser tv.
Yep, I was just going to say that. Rear-projection and included a TV tuner. The only brightness spec I could find was a third-party site claiming 110.88 foot-lamberts, which equates to about 380 nits, which seems kind of low for something they represented as blindingly bright. I wanted one of these badly way back when, but they were extremely expensive and I could never justify it.
Now with QD-OLED, I feel the benefits of a laser TV in any form (front or rear projection) are a lot less clear for a general TV buyer. If you're in the market for a projector, though, it probably beats the socks off everything else.
im on a samsung ust rn and excited for more people to experience gaming in large format! more ust reviews pls!!
Caleb, personally I don't want you reviewing USTs just for the sake of reviewing USTs. I think their rise in popularity is a symptom of a pretty clear cut problem:
1. most people want a giant ass screen
2. most TV rooms are small
3. most people don't have room for something like your bdi corridor
4. most people don't own the walls they would have to wall mount unto.
Alternative mounting solutions to giant tvs is what I think USTs should be compared to, as theyre otherwise technologically inferior. Considering how lightweight the LG C series has gotten, I'm currently torn between going for a heavy duty monitor arm attached to a extra heavy coffee table or something like a perlegear rolling TV stand in its smallest configuration.
Considering your access to screens and other tech, I'd kill for your take on this.
Always appreciate your content reviews and info
I would like to learn the visual differences between the laser tv offerings. which brand has better clarity, color saturation, we are thinking about using one for a theater room, however there isnt alot of reviews i can find who are talking about these things.
YES LASER TV REVIEWS
For something to be TV it needs to have Tuner build in. As for whether a screen should be included - I think so. Customer should be able to compare the contrast and brightness of regular and lazer TV directly.
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Didn't they introduce a couple flatscreens that had a laser backlight years ago? It seemed like it had some buzz but then vanished quickly.
Okay, how about this:
Front Laser Projection Television (FLPTV)
Rear Laser Projection Television (RLPTV)
We've had rear projection TVs in the past where the lamp shines the light at the back of the screen. Previously, back during 1999 or so, we used to have an RPTV with three light sources (red, green, and blue). In order to ensure the best convergence, each red, green, and blue CRT source has to be adjusted in order to make it white as shown in the grid.
Now, would it be possible to have a laser light source projecting from the back of the TV? That reminded me of the DLP from the likes of Mitsubishi TVs?
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Hell yeah. Please review UST projectors