When I was 13 my grandfather started teaching me to run equipment,he had a old cat 12f knuckle buster and a old champion the cat was for finishing rock but he had me on the champion on our farm making watermelon beds and drain ditches there was no seat had to stand up so ever since then to this day I still stand running a grader I'm 49 now, and run a 12H cat just about the best machine cat ever made,
That's easy that shuts off the air box in case of an over Rev or run away Hank as always yall always amaze me with finding this old iron and bringing it back to life excellent my friend
If it's been drownded it'll never go BUT we'll see. The thing on the blower is the emergency stop and it WILL stop it no matter what. It shuts the air off to the blower. A 4-71 is 4 cylinders and 71 cubic inches displacement per hole. A 53 has 53 inches displacement per hole and is a smaller engine BUT they used to put a turbo on them and make dandy truck engines, usually 2 1/2 ton and van bodies. A 6-71 has six cylinders and aV-8 and a V-12 and so on until you get into double blocks and a bunch of pistons. HUGE deals for generators. They also make a 92series with 92 inches per hole and a 110-6 cylkinder and on up to train engines (EMD)'s GBWYall and that old 12 grader is a GOOD one!
It’s nice to see another Detroit fan. You start getting into the 16v-653 sieries or the newer 20v-710 sieries beasts music to my ears modular mechanical works of art so much power at 800 rpm on governor load. So nice I could watch the top deck on one of those those all day every day
@@tracktorred7570 I always have been and all the EMD experience was around Norfolk Southern swapping cars at the local paper mill. I ran D8H's and 7E's with the lo speed motors and it was a heart throb all day long. The Brits had a locomotive engine that made a K's worth of horses at 900 revs with 4 cylinders. I thought that was NEAT to the excess. Napier Deltic was the maker I think. Worth watching..
At the wastewater plant we had tanker trucks to haul the sludge off with Detroit 2 stoke sixes with that emergency cutoff, the regular drivers knew to just turn the ignition switch off to shut it down. The people who were supposed to be smart always used the kill button to turn it off then turn the ignition switch off. If I had to move one and it would crank for about 5 to 10 seconds without starting I knew I had to go open the hood to reset the flapper catch. Then it would start almost instantly.
Another thing I forgot about was our old mixer had a 671 Detroit in it with a 12" exhaust that rusted in half flush with the hood and right in front of the steering wheel open cab I lived in fear of running that dam thing it was like a top fuel dragster motor in your ear all day even with ear muffs and ear plugs I still have all my family's old equipment and that mixer and still use it all I just spent the money for a muffler 🤣
That’s in case it tries or succeeds on running away, usually it’s from the rack being stuck in the full throttle position. But any way it, closes a flap or butterfly to starve it for air.
Hank, That is the emergency air shut off if the engine runs away. And the difference between a 4-71, and a 4-53, is the 71 is 284 CID. the 53 is212 CID.
4 is number of cylinders. 71 is the cubic inch of one cylinder. That's a 2 stroker. I like listening to y'all. Y'all too funny! Willie: "This is embarrassing. We're live." 😅😂🤣😅👍
Detroit engine numbers were number of cylinders and the engine displacement. 453 is 4 cylinder, 53 cubic inches per cylinder. Also, those engines are very prone to the fuel rack sticking in the "wide open" position. Be very careful in your "will it starts?"
That's what the latch on the intake was that he pointed at and asked Detroit guys to comment on what it was. Its a release latch for a spring loaded flap that slaps shut and chokes the engine off in case of runaway.
I love these old start videos but in reference to your comment about people asking you the questions at the end of the day people need to understand that the operating cost of old steel exceeds the cost of a new machine and it’s increased productivity real fast. If it still operates maybe someone can use it on their own property or for parts for a restoration but they usually won’t effectively make you money anymore.
It depends on the availability of parts. My dad has a few old machines and they still make the majority of the parts for them. His oldest work machine is a 1974 Case 580B Backhoe and the only part on the machine that they don’t make anymore (aside from the engine which can still be rebuilt) is the battery cover, they still make the other parts
There are still tens of thousands of old Cat 12s out there still making people money, and just like the one in this video that they used to pull the other one, those old cats always fire up and go, and they still make the parts for them.
Hay,good vid.I thought even though this looks crap i,ll give it five minutes,guess what,i really enjoyed that.What a great relaxed attitude you blokes have. Thanks&have a nice Christmas.
hola amigos Marcelo de argentina la verdad me encantan como le dan vida a hesas herramientas de trabajo me encantan Loque hasen arman desarman y le mando mi felizitaciones me gustó un abrazo alos dos
Emergency air shut off. I am old and drove fire trucks with with two cycle Detroits. I have watched a Detroit documentary that mentioned that the 53 series was designed to run long hours at higher rpms than the 71 series. No better sound than those old oil leakers.
(what is that ? ) Its the same on all the older detroit`s , its the emergency stop trigger , its especially important if you turn the engine over backwards , it will run forwards and backwards , you dont want it to run backwards ever , immediately pull the emergency stop . You may have stuck injectors and pistons , you may also have 1 or more bent rods by now , and if you get it cranking it may run away if it starts because of stuck rack an injectors possible > make sure the emergency stop works its full travel easily .
4-71 engines have 71 cubic inches per cylinder. I assume 4-53 engines have 53 cubic inches per cylinder. I worked on 71 series engines but not 53 series. The thing you pointed to early in the video is the air shutoff to kill the engine.
Great job Hank and wholly team did not get a start but they well if any team can it is them thank you for trying can't wait for part 2 want to hear it purr let's go guys thanks for sharing and your time was great.
Was that the trip for the "flapper" you were pointing at? The flap that closes off the air to the blower, more commonly called emergency stop. In the old trucks if you pulled the emergency stop you had to get out open the hood to reset it. I know it's easy when you're looking at them in person to tell the difference between the 53 series and the 71 series, but watching on TH-cam about the only way I can tell it is when you show the air box covers. The 71 has those big covers one for each cylinder and the 53 series doesn't.
It's the shutdown for a runaway engine. [ Try dropping the blade to take load from the hydraulics off of the engine. Poor old starter can only shoulder a certain amount of load.]
The Fan did turn at one point so I would yank the injectors out 50/50 mix of kerosene and diesel fuel down the Injector holes its stuck but not totally stuck cus in the video the fan did move thr 50/50 solution should work ill be waiting for thr next video awesome guys hope you guys can get er running.
Excellent video Hank :) also Willey :) that part broken off lucky hit head or eyes or be serious problems for sure and not first one lock up you guys had for sure ! Just becarefull for 👍!
Somewhere here on the tube is a tractor / heavy equipment / old engines starting showing a guy ONLY using a big heavy piece of round stock to turn over a BIG engine on an old dozer to get it fired up.
Hank, you're getting quite a bit of audio distortion. Are those mics feeding direct to the camera? Maybe there is some setting on the camera that will let you reduce the input level. You can probably reduce the volume in editing but that will not fix the clipped signal from over-driving the input. The mics are a definite improvement but they do need a little tweaking. P.S. -- I don't think a Crescent wrench will fix this problem! LOL
The other difference between the 460 and the 471 was the 471 had a turbo same went with the 318 ,Detroit put a turbo on it and brought it up to around 350 hp
When I got the you tube notification it said you were going to Pull Start a motor grader I thought Wiley was a Heck of a man if he could start a grader with a pull start, like cranking a chain saw😀
Hi Hank and WyLie greaT shoW seems aLot a Like me at time mechanicaLy 😎😎👍🍻🤠😃I am very happy too see you guys work together 🤙🏻 Good work Big up to you feLLas DanieL from South Africa 🇿🇦 🍻 ChheerS
detroit first 4 cyl 53 cubic per cyl 71 cubic inch 92 cubic inch per cyl and reallly big 149 cubic inch 2 cyl 3 cyl 4 cyl 6cyl 8cyl 16 cyl i grew up and worked many trucks and equip with detroits keep the videos coming hank god bless u and yours
Hank the next time you buy a box of Little Debbie cakes look at who owns the company. That little lever is an emergency kill to shut down the engine on the old Detroit engines. It stops the intake air flow. The old Detroit engines would sometime try to run away. My Grandfather used to run trucks with Detroit engines back when he hauled "our" Little Debbie cakes. 😱 😏😁🙌🎂🍩🍮🍥🍣👈😂😂. Yeah I have a 1980 GMC General with an 8V71 turbocharged Detroit engine and 13 spend transmission that was my Dad's. All the running gear is still great. It needs body work. I just haven't had time. May have told you before that my Dad owned and operated trucks from time he was 22 until 82 yrs old. He's 86 now and just enjoying his retirement. He says that age is simply just a number. Keep pushing your videos brother. We really enjoy watching them. Dad loves them too.
▶️Watch us crank the '58 Cat grader here: th-cam.com/video/ue2CCQdkDaQ/w-d-xo.html
Really enjoy these videos Hank
I appreciate that
hank how many hore power does she have on her
When I was 13 my grandfather started teaching me to run equipment,he had a old cat 12f knuckle buster and a old champion the cat was for finishing rock but he had me on the champion on our farm making watermelon beds and drain ditches there was no seat had to stand up so ever since then to this day I still stand running a grader I'm 49 now, and run a 12H cat just about the best machine cat ever made,
the sargent .in the army engineers told me to sit down . when opperating the grader a cat 14E but in case not having .one is differant lol
@@warrenscott8491 it's definitely safer to sit,but most of the old timers run a grader standing
That's easy that shuts off the air box in case of an over Rev or run away
Hank as always yall always amaze me with finding this old iron and bringing it back to life excellent my friend
Right on!
If it's been drownded it'll never go BUT we'll see. The thing on the blower is the emergency stop and it WILL stop it no matter what. It shuts the air off to the blower. A 4-71 is 4 cylinders and 71 cubic inches displacement per hole. A 53 has 53 inches displacement per hole and is a smaller engine BUT they used to put a turbo on them and make dandy truck engines, usually 2 1/2 ton and van bodies. A 6-71 has six cylinders and aV-8 and a V-12 and so on until you get into double blocks and a bunch of pistons. HUGE deals for generators. They also make a 92series with 92 inches per hole and a 110-6 cylkinder and on up to train engines (EMD)'s GBWYall and that old 12 grader is a GOOD one!
It’s nice to see another Detroit fan. You start getting into the 16v-653 sieries or the newer 20v-710 sieries beasts music to my ears modular mechanical works of art so much power at 800 rpm on governor load. So nice I could watch the top deck on one of those those all day every day
@@tracktorred7570 I always have been and all the EMD experience was around Norfolk Southern swapping cars at the local paper mill. I ran D8H's and 7E's with the lo speed motors and it was a heart throb all day long. The Brits had a locomotive engine that made a K's worth of horses at 900 revs with 4 cylinders. I thought that was NEAT to the excess. Napier Deltic was the maker I think. Worth watching..
The latch on the intake was the emergency kill flap for runaway prevention.
At the wastewater plant we had tanker trucks to haul the sludge off with Detroit 2 stoke sixes with that emergency cutoff, the regular drivers knew to just turn the ignition switch off to shut it down. The people who were supposed to be smart always used the kill button to turn it off then turn the ignition switch off. If I had to move one and it would crank for about 5 to 10 seconds without starting I knew I had to go open the hood to reset the flapper catch. Then it would start almost instantly.
Another thing I forgot about was our old mixer had a 671 Detroit in it with a 12" exhaust that rusted in half flush with the hood and right in front of the steering wheel open cab I lived in fear of running that dam thing it was like a top fuel dragster motor in your ear all day even with ear muffs and ear plugs I still have all my family's old equipment and that mixer and still use it all I just spent the money for a muffler 🤣
Love your videos hank. Love to sit down with a big glass of sweet tea and watch ya videos. Love from Alabama!
Preciate that
That latch is the emergency trip in case it starts to run off. A metal plate will drop down and block the air intake
Enjoyed as always Hank. What you and Wiley were doing is way above my pay grade. Looking forward to Part 2.
Thanks for tolerating the audio Terry
what fun! Thanks Hank!
Thanks buddy!
Hey folks glad to see you again ! But you still have audio problems :( . Keep up your good job ! Still loving to watch you guy .
Thank god I thought it was just me. The last few videos have had really "clippy" audio. It sounds terrible
That’s in case it tries or succeeds on running away, usually it’s from the rack being stuck in the full throttle position. But any way it, closes a flap or butterfly to starve it for air.
Detroit Diesel.....don't they call that a "Screamin' Jimmy" 🤣🤣🤣 I enjoy watching ya'll work, Hank! Keep up the good work!
Preciate it
Hank, That is the emergency air shut off if the engine runs away. And the difference between a 4-71, and a 4-53, is the 71 is 284 CID. the 53 is212 CID.
4 is number of cylinders. 71 is the cubic inch of one cylinder. That's a 2 stroker.
I like listening to y'all. Y'all too funny!
Willie: "This is embarrassing. We're live." 😅😂🤣😅👍
Lol
Can't wait to see the second part of this video
Detroit engine numbers were number of cylinders and the engine displacement. 453 is 4 cylinder, 53 cubic inches per cylinder. Also, those engines are very prone to the fuel rack sticking in the "wide open" position. Be very careful in your "will it starts?"
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It is probably why there is a kind of brake on the shaft
That's what the latch on the intake was that he pointed at and asked Detroit guys to comment on what it was. Its a release latch for a spring loaded flap that slaps shut and chokes the engine off in case of runaway.
The red hornets are called one of two things, bastards or red wasp. They are extremely common here in east Texas
I love these old start videos but in reference to your comment about people asking you the questions at the end of the day people need to understand that the operating cost of old steel exceeds the cost of a new machine and it’s increased productivity real fast. If it still operates maybe someone can use it on their own property or for parts for a restoration but they usually won’t effectively make you money anymore.
It depends on the availability of parts. My dad has a few old machines and they still make the majority of the parts for them. His oldest work machine is a 1974 Case 580B Backhoe and the only part on the machine that they don’t make anymore (aside from the engine which can still be rebuilt) is the battery cover, they still make the other parts
There are still tens of thousands of old Cat 12s out there still making people money, and just like the one in this video that they used to pull the other one, those old cats always fire up and go, and they still make the parts for them.
Kudos to Wiley. He used the correct pronunciation of Hyundai, Hy un dai. Keep this guy around he really is smarter then he looks. Narragansett Bay
Lol. He’ll fool you every now and then! 😂
You guys make me laugh. Specially when Wally gives you crap. I really enjoy watching you, I would like to have friends like you guys.
Thanks Hank for another great video you and Wiley are great together thanks again
Eu gosto muito desses vídeo máquina antigas
Parabéns pelo os vídeos 👏👏
Morning Hank & Wiley, man, Wiley is a character!!! What about that duece and a half sitting next to the grader???
Stay tuned
Me number one, now get those wrenches to work 😀
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💥 You and Wally make a good team. I hope he doesn’t ever fire you. 😂
*Keep on tractoring!*
Lol 😆
Wally didn't miss a beat to pull his light duty chit on hank!
Lol
Take the engine block airbox covers off and have a look in the bores to check for damage
Man.....I could watch you guys for hours....oh....wait.....I have. Keep up the tough work. God bless.
Lol. We appreciate that. I’ve got channels I watch like that.
That thing is a beast! Sounds good 👍
Hay,good vid.I thought even though this looks crap i,ll give it five minutes,guess what,i really enjoyed that.What a great relaxed attitude you blokes have.
Thanks&have a nice Christmas.
Thanks for watching!
hola amigos Marcelo de argentina la verdad me encantan como le dan vida a hesas herramientas de trabajo me encantan Loque hasen arman desarman y le mando mi felizitaciones me gustó un abrazo alos dos
Good job and God bless yall
Emergency air shut off. I am old and drove fire trucks with with two cycle Detroits. I have watched a Detroit documentary that mentioned that the 53 series was designed to run long hours at higher rpms than the 71 series. No better sound than those old oil leakers.
Hank says: Rule number one ,always carry a Cresent wrench. Rule number two, don't break Rule number one. 🤣
Where's are battery guy🤣
Lol
fun find! gitcha some!
Yea sir!!
Also make sure to pull off those air box covers to make sure there’s no water in them
(what is that ? ) Its the same on all the older detroit`s , its the emergency stop trigger , its especially important if you turn the engine over backwards , it will run forwards and backwards , you dont want it to run backwards ever , immediately pull the emergency stop . You may have stuck injectors and pistons , you may also have 1 or more bent rods by now , and if you get it cranking it may run away if it starts because of stuck rack an injectors possible > make sure the emergency stop works its full travel easily .
Thanks Hank,
Good luck.
Central California Watching
4-71 engines have 71 cubic inches per cylinder. I assume 4-53 engines have 53 cubic inches per cylinder. I worked on 71 series engines but not 53 series. The thing you pointed to early in the video is the air shutoff to kill the engine.
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53 series has dry sleeves were 71 series had wet liners
Great job Hank and wholly team did not get a start but they well if any team can it is them thank you for trying can't wait for part 2 want to hear it purr let's go guys thanks for sharing and your time was great.
Keep em coming more will it starts pls! Gassers too!
Was that the trip for the "flapper" you were pointing at? The flap that closes off the air to the blower, more commonly called emergency stop. In the old trucks if you pulled the emergency stop you had to get out open the hood to reset it. I know it's easy when you're looking at them in person to tell the difference between the 53 series and the 71 series, but watching on TH-cam about the only way I can tell it is when you show the air box covers. The 71 has those big covers one for each cylinder and the 53 series doesn't.
Muy buenos videos. Saludos desdé Argentina.
It's the shutdown for a runaway engine. [ Try dropping the blade to take load from the hydraulics off of the engine. Poor old starter can only shoulder a certain amount of load.]
I think you need an air compressor ,to air tires up before moving. most will stay up instead of breaking apart. Nice Videos
On Detroit's you should pull the valve covers and check the rack. Make sure its not stuck.
Sometimes we do
@@Hfoutdoorsyt that sound of one running away gets me every time. I've had a few that we didn't inspect, had us running around like 3 stooges.
Lol
Yes she's a rough one good work guys 1 way or the other just having fun
Thanks!
looks fun wish i had a bud like wally to hang with
Sure looking forward to hear that Detroit turn diesel into noise bro they do it better than most diesel engines. Safe travels up your way
Thanks Ken!
Best Channel
Thanks!
Hank merry Christmas to you family an friends
Thanks buddy!
Beleza essi canal top demais 😎👏👏👏👏
open the side covers and clean up what's inside of the cylinders trough the air ports
That little port on the intake was for an ether pill they were read in color and the purpose was not to over juice them when cold starting
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you need to go back and get the old military truck up and running. Great show ,love seeing old iron up and running.
Gonna try
Gees fellas ya made the grade r this time. At least you didn't drag it out to far today. :):):) Always fun for all. Thanks from Downunda
Fantastic job.
Litlle Patrol so Beautifull
from Brazil my friends. 😇
The Fan did turn at one point so I would yank the injectors out 50/50 mix of kerosene and diesel fuel down the Injector holes its stuck but not totally stuck cus in the video the fan did move thr 50/50 solution should work ill be waiting for thr next video awesome guys hope you guys can get er running.
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Where is part two?
Still working on it. We got busy on other projects. But we are discussing when we need to back to it. Soon I hope
Excellent video Hank :) also Willey :) that part broken off lucky hit head or eyes or be serious problems for sure and not first one lock up you guys had for sure ! Just becarefull for 👍!
Hi Hank how are you? I like very much to see your videos working closely with wally good job guys👍👍🌟
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Hank do the. ARMY. Truck next time beside the grader good luck
Probably will!
Starter is pulling so much current the jumper cables are jumping 😂😂👀👀👀
Lol
Man I love your videos ...you should do more grader and tractor videos.have a nice day🔥👌🏼🚜
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Thanks Hank good luck ✌️❤️
Thanks!
You guys are a riot.
:)
The knuckle Buster grader has got the coolest sou d to it 😎 🙌 👌 💪
Somewhere here on the tube is a tractor / heavy equipment / old engines starting showing a guy ONLY using a big heavy piece of round stock to turn over a BIG engine on an old dozer to get it fired up.
Very good chance it has water in the cylinders and that bad news friend
I hear ya
Nice videos brother🤞🏼🤙
Thanks!
Muito bom seus vídeos. Parabéns. TMJ Deus te abençoe 👍👍👍👍🇧🇷🚜
They're called red paper wasp ! Oh yeah they hurt like the Dickens if they get you.
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Hank, you're getting quite a bit of audio distortion. Are those mics feeding direct to the camera? Maybe there is some setting on the camera that will let you reduce the input level. You can probably reduce the volume in editing but that will not fix the clipped signal from over-driving the input. The mics are a definite improvement but they do need a little tweaking. P.S. -- I don't think a Crescent wrench will fix this problem! LOL
Yeah I had the mic volume maxed out on accident. We got it figured out now
@@Hfoutdoorsyt LOL Every new toy takes some learning!
Pull the air box covers on the side and soak the pistons in a lubricant of your choice
The difference between a 71 and a 53 is its cubic inches. So 53s are 53 cubic inches
Blower. Thanks
Hank did you make a part 2 of this? I have looked and looked and nothing
It’s being edited now.
@@Hfoutdoorsyt Can't wait😁
Good ole driptroits
That’s been a bit stubborn you two I’m sure you will beat it 👍
"Unfrozen" = ripped the rings loose from being rusted to the cylinder walls.
Well sometimes will it start include some landscaping around the equipment
hi hank and wally im guessing one or more cylinders is loaded up, great show old guys rule
Right on!
The other difference between the 460 and the 471 was the 471 had a turbo same went with the 318 ,Detroit put a turbo on it and brought it up to around 350 hp
Cool
When I got the you tube notification it said you were going to Pull Start a motor grader I thought Wiley was a Heck of a man if he could start a grader with a pull start, like cranking a chain saw😀
Lol
The difference between the two is 21 horsepower!!!😂😂🙏🏻✌️
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I don't know if it will help crank the grader but try some diesel fuel and oil in the engine where you put the oil in it
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Looks like that dump truck you wanted next to that old road grader.
You're making Derek @vice grip garage proud hopefully he is watching
Lol. He’s got a great channel 👍
You should pull the valve cover and check rack operation
We will 👍
Hi Hank and WyLie greaT shoW seems aLot a Like me at time mechanicaLy 😎😎👍🍻🤠😃I am very happy too see you guys work together 🤙🏻 Good work Big up to you feLLas DanieL from South Africa 🇿🇦 🍻 ChheerS
Cheers!
detroit first 4 cyl 53 cubic per cyl 71 cubic inch 92 cubic inch per cyl and reallly big 149 cubic inch 2 cyl 3 cyl 4 cyl 6cyl 8cyl 16 cyl i grew up and worked many trucks and equip with detroits keep the videos coming hank god bless u and yours
Thanks much!
You forgot the 12 cylinders
Keep up hitting Elvis on all your video s you well have more viewers, 👍
Right on 👍😁🕺
Lol you don’t need a ladder for a roller skate ! Lol
Boa noite muito top serviço máquina meu amigo
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Hello gentlemen you guys keep me feeling a little better every time I see you guys and especially Wally he said I could be on a comedy show
Lol
Wow a lot of Detroit knowledgeable people on here. Glad to see y’all still out there.
Hank the next time you buy a box of Little Debbie cakes look at who owns the company. That little lever is an emergency kill to shut down the engine on the old Detroit engines. It stops the intake air flow. The old Detroit engines would sometime try to run away. My Grandfather used to run trucks with Detroit engines back when he hauled "our" Little Debbie cakes. 😱 😏😁🙌🎂🍩🍮🍥🍣👈😂😂. Yeah I have a 1980 GMC General with an 8V71 turbocharged Detroit engine and 13 spend transmission that was my Dad's. All the running gear is still great. It needs body work. I just haven't had time. May have told you before that my Dad owned and operated trucks from time he was 22 until 82 yrs old. He's 86 now and just enjoying his retirement. He says that age is simply just a number. Keep pushing your videos brother. We really enjoy watching them. Dad loves them too.
That’s cool. Never knew that’s who owned it. You’re in like Flynn if you’re in that family. 👍
@@Hfoutdoorsyt LoL same name but different family. I've made a lot of jokes about that. The Little Debbie part.. The rest of my comment is true.
That is the flapper lever to stop runaway!