To me people over think this case the chance of a intruder come thru the basement go upstairs drag the girl downstairs molester her, murder her, stage it ,write a lengthy ransom note with paper and pen from the house ask for exactly John's bonus pay leave it on the stairs after you know the girl is dead do all of this without waking anyone up and leaving no evidence?? 0 percent chance ... It was someone in the Family .
@chadlynch6992, Of course. And also put the pen and the paper back where you found it. Force of habit by Patsy. How did the fake intruder know the Ramseys might have heard him and came downstairs with a gun. the so called fake intruder felt very comfortable hanging around the house for sometime. Almost like he lived there. LOL
Nobody is going to sit down, put their feet up and write a long blabbering ransom note with pen and paper from the house. The ransom note is ludicrous. And, no one is going to bring the ransom note with them and then copy it while sitting around before or after the murder. Makes no sense. Neither John nor Patsy uttered a peep when the time of the ransom demand came and passed. If I were a parent, I'd be glued to the phone. They weren't. If the perp could pull of such a vicious crime, he could have kidnapped her and taken her with. If it were sexually motivated, he would not want to get his jollies in a the home, as someone could hear and find him inflagrante delicto. Makes no sense at all.
Exactly. Also they wouldn't have left that obviously staged note to inform the authorities that they were there since they ultimately decided to not take the child with them.
I know that when my daughter had a UTI they questioned me if maybe she was being “messed with”. I knew that I had take my daughter to a Urologist. Got the results and it turns out my daughter had an enlarged bladder and she would not feel the urge to empty so infrequently that the bacteria would build up.
The Ramses didn't phase one bit when the ransom clock ran out. The Ramses stayed separated all morning long. Neither one of them were comforting each other Too many behaviors is it make no sense
This is a huge case. I think it was wise of John to hire different attorneys so that each family member would have their own attorney who is able to commit their focus on the defense of one person, rather than one attorney trying to focus on all members of the family and how they are being accused.
It is quite possible for a kid Burke's age to have caused that injury, especially in a fit of rage with the adrenaline flowing. With most opinions going to the head blow coming second, I lowered my theory Burke was involved in that. The parents had to be involved because, when the police arrived, Patsy was still in the same clothes she wore to the Christmas parties with hair and makeup done. She had been up the whole time since they got home. I think at first she had been getting the rest of the packing done for their flight in the morning. Then she had to wash and dry wet bedding, feed the kids pineapple, write a note and whatever needed to be done before the police were called. There is ZERO percent chance that the elegant Patsy would have been in the same clothes with makeup intact seven or eight hours after they got home if she'd gone to bed. Explain how an intruder got in when Patsy had been up all night.
I feel like if an intruder did it they got in while they were away and we're laying in wait. I can't imagine Patsy doing that to her child that she cared so much for. But I agree it's strange she was still in the same exact outfit and makeup. They were supposed to leave for a trip early in the morning perhaps the stress of arguing with the children took her over the top and then they tried to cover it up.
@markgardner4426, Mark, there was no intruder. If this was an intruder, he would have killed her and did his thing and quickly left the home. No intruder is going to kill the girl, do his thing, then wipe her down, redress her, go back upstairs and find her favorite blanket which was in the clothes dryer on the 2nd floor and by the way how did he know it was her favorite white blanket and where it was? He would not have even gone upstairs looking for any blanket in general to go back downstairs and wrap her up like a christmas present. No way! Patsy knew where her favorite white blanket was and she wrapped her in it as a gesture meaning "I LOVE YOU". This was not the crime of any intruder.
@@freddie3206I agree. Except, I believe that the white blanket was in the basement dryer, and that the Barbie nightgown had been clinging to it in static cling. I think that's what Linda Hoffman-Pugh said. It's a minor detail, though. 🙂
@@Bugiddle I could be wrong that's for sure but I thought it was in the dryer on the 2nd floor. The kids clothes were on the 2nd floor where their bedrooms were so i would assume she used the washer on the second floor. i know Patsy did.
I always thought the parents were somehow responsible and I listened to a lot of podcasts about Jonbenet. You made me question it for the first time. Your attention to detail, sensitivity, incredibly gentle approach to the little girl and her parents is astounding. I appreciate you! I usually listen to you on Spotify, but I just had to find you somewhere I could leave a comment.
Whoever wrote that note had all the time in the world. JonBonet was sexually assaulted. Burke was too young. Leaves only one person in my mind. Patsy wouldn’t want to sacrifice her way of life so she became complicit. This case still turns my stomach! RIP little one. The truth will be known eventually!
Still, at this point. I have to believe it was Burke, her brother. He’s always sounded like he’s had some long cultivated anger towards her. It’s an interesting case.
The body was already in a state of rigotmortous and demise at least 12 hours. What time did the Ramsey's arrive home? The child was dead for at least 12 hours once the pathologist was able to examine the body. That's a long time.
Many years ago, we did foster care. You would be surprised at what type of violent force they can use (at a very young age) because of the amount of anger that they carry. I am not saying that this was Burke.
Patsy's 1st statement to police was Jonbenet went to bed in a red turtleneck (which was found in the bathroom) the coroner said the neck burn was from grabbing n twisting her up by the neck n the middle index finger of the killer made the burn which would explain her struggling w/ her nails.,.I believe she was then slammed against the fireplace cuz she has lower back abrasions. Her vagina was also wiped w/ a cloth n blood removed on her inner thigh...so how do u fit an intruder feeding her 🍍 in the middle of all this? NO! John lost his temper over something n Patsy helped cover for him for the most oldest reason for murder..$$! John's Billion $ Company would be gone n he would go to jail n Patsy's Social Status would be crushed! Those are the reasons both parents finished her off to save those 3 reasons. When people say intruder...I think they are looking at the "how could a parent do this" but unfortunately people don't know what really goes on inside the home when doors are closed! Just look @ all his interviews...it's all about the investigation doing him wrong n this was a "tragedy"... Your kid was sexually assaulted n strangled violently but he calls it a tragedy not a word to the intruder who most likely would be watching n that's cuz there is NO INTRUDER! look @ the 1st marriage...a young woman in the 70s W/ 3 kids under 7yrs old, the youngest being a baby.. yet she goes for a divorce..why? Very unusual to not try n work it out cuz John didn't leave her for another woman he was cheating with yet she wanted him out...why?? Maybe things seemed off back in that marriage His 1st wife maybe couldn't trust him in that house. It's very unusual that John lawyered up his 1st wife when police went to speak w/ her...why? What's he hiding..that KNOT on the Garrote is ALL JOHN..he is the sailor w/ boat n been in the Navy. John also would not strangle his own kid for anyone but himself to avoid going to prison. He staged it to look like NO PARENT would ever strangle their kid so bad but John is very intelligent n he wouldn't be a CEO if he wasn't a good reader of people and how they respond to things.. it's why he staged it to look so bad. Also Barbara Walters asked Patsy who are u? She answers..I'm a daughter,sister,friend,wife n then she says mother! Odd! Mother was last n wife 2nd to last...she obviously wrote the letter n John knew that would fall on her then on himself n he staged the crime scene. 1 interview after the funeral Patsy thru her teeth clenched (she didn't want to) say it) but tells ppl in boulder someone is out there n if u look closely John mumbles to her the beginning sentence. John bringing Patsy in her condition onto national TV shows he is manipulative n insensitive. A kid being molested in the home means more then just penis penetration. Oral sex n fingering is what was going on n the report from the actual dr.who saw her body reports chronic issues in that area. Plus the murder has a sexual element to it. Why? To cover the finger assault. Violent death but her sexual assault was not violent? Both parents killed her in their own way that night n the boy may have seen the beginning of this beating n ran upstairs so that explains why he wasn't afraid of some intruder.
Patsy's father was a Freemason.I believe she was sexually assaulted by her father.I believe burke and jon bennet were Sexually assaulted SICK dark and horrific
I was told somewhere, that the boys longjohns she was wearing when found, came from a bag of clothes that was under the spiral staircase, that was supposed to be past on to Burke, or donated. How many people wash those clothes before donateing them? She was violated with the paintbrush, there was pieces left behind. I dont think a male was the perp. And yes the bear came from the christmas pagent. There are photos of the bears with the trophies on the table in the Little Miss Christmas pagent.
What you were 'told' about the long-johns is Not true. Let's say the long-johns were to go to Burke or charity - what does the non-washing of long-johns have to do with anything anyway? omg , so according to Your brain cells, only a female would use an implement to violate a child. Jeez, what's the brand of Koolaid that you drink? There needs to be a worldwide Ban on Koolaid.
The touch DNA obviously clears no one especially someone who claims they were there, amazing to see them reject such an admission, the degree to which these DA’s have gone to run cover is highly suspect.
I can't give a like to this type of video ; but enjoyed its input and excersising my brain and being sble in keeping in touch with deep feelings . Thanks
The crime scene was made to look like a strangulation, and pics were leaked to the press showing her with cord around her neck. Great way to cover up a head trauma. If you guys are serious about finding justice for JonBenét then you should include all the evidence, not just pick and choose what you want promote. Almost every expert agrees that her head trauma came first, and to omit this in your podcast is intentionally misleading. Do better.
@AlleyCat.., I agree, the head trauma came first. Why strangle a person first, then whack her over the head? Makes no sense! The duct tape over the mouth was also for confusion. Once she got whacked over the head the injury was so severe she never came conscious again.
A Dr wont check to see if a child is being sexually abbused, unless a parent has reason for it. Especially at age 6 when the parent is in the room with the child.
JB wasn't the only daughter that John had deary. What you said about a doctor not knowing about a sexually abused child Unless he/she did internal examinations, just shows the level of your Ignorance. Go back to Sleep.
@@susanjohnston8973 I don't think you women are understanding what she meant🧐 but I know in America at Pasadena, CALIFORNIA is ran by Frankie Casrtillo coming thru the Catholic Church backed up by the Columbia drug Cartel saying he's got to guns and he's taking that pussy, I blew him to hell as simple as that, cause we have all thease Irish Catholic Monks running around with there heads cut off who sold my property to CHINA in the bottom of this Nuclear submarine together, cause the Scientology are keeping tabs on the Christians,, Are father art in Heaven that's my daddy to you know but is what I'm saying is I'm a Patriart you all are in a field of a Matriarch,, but you women are on the cross an don't Evan know what's going on being Rude sounds like another way of saying that you are putting your importance above someone else,,Nobody above you except for me cause I figured I'd give you 2 a reason to say that smokeing Crack so much til your blood itches has me thinking 🤔 that my mind doesn't work if my spine don't jerk a lately I been on edge but never had smoked crack an Worshipped Satan cause people might take offense to that as if, I invented the English language, as if those are my words, an Really I was just Christopher Columbus and then I went an asked a question about who's in charge then they told me to ask my Lawyer then he asked for money so if I can help in any way then let me know an I can get you lady's some professional help God knows Facebook or Instagram, or TikTok is were you all are in thoughts so I get to bug in and look at the bottom of whatever you all call this, I didn't know you woman were Jude's in Black Robe's! But They wouldn't let Johnny Cash High cause he took over everyone's mind cause no one had a brain 🧠 to begin with so much, for that thought 💭🤔, The United States Government was founded by our constitution Rights but yet Charles Manson was guilty and the man was in Bed with a women, during the time of the DA's Helter Skelter,🐑 so while your acting like kids I half to be on a GMC billboard with a Bagpipe! But I did save a bunch of money by the Joe Biden stilling my tax dollars coming back from China with wheelchairs on fire, using our tax dollars but don't blame me I didn't vote for him but, I don't think this is about Ted Bundy, I thought this was France not California!! But Kelly is starting that she going to vitalaly slap you 2 women shh 🤫 we're at the Alter the Pastor or Cult leader is speaking on JonBenet Ramsey's Murder I think 💬🤔 2pac was in Compton California during the time of this confinement! I was thinking about Santa Claus coming down the chimney but I fell asleep not only in 1994 but in 2023 as well 🤘! Eat mor Chken the cow 🐄 is painting on my billboard I half to go girls!!
@@susanjohnston8973 that Beth Ryan is supposedly Burke Ramsey. He hate anyone that diagrees with his comments, he gets his panties in a wad, and turns nasty. Nothing he says has ever been proven, and hes been saying "an arrest is coming soon", for over 3 yrs now. Calling him rude is being nice.
Strict John Ramsay's evil. He's a Freemason. His father was a Freemason his father. James Studley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission in the 70s. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island which was a pedophile. Ring for boys, that's a fact the Ramsay's. Had a contract with William Morris model agency for services of John benay, knowingly or unknowingly pimping her out to politicians and that was Black Ops number 5 for the F.B.I. Google educate yourself santanic rituals J 1:15:49 1:15:49 1:15:49 1:15:49 on benet
@@freddie3206John ramsey's freemason His father james dudley ramsey also freemason He was a head of the aeronauti Commission. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island which was a pedophiling for boys in the 70s. That's a fact, also, John and Patsy Ramsay had a contract with William Morris model agency for services 4 Jon Benet, knowingly or unknowingly. Pimping her out to politicians and that was #5 Black Ops for the F. B. I. Google educate yourself santanic rituals jon benet
I work as a nurse in a crisis mental health facility I have seen my fair share of crazy lunatic killers and trust me they are more then capable of writing a three page letter that makes no sense at all or they can carry on a complete conversation for awhile the totally make a hard left into crazyville I definitely think there was an intruder and I also believe he was in the house when they came home
@716Lamia, It's amazing how a crazy lunatic had the exact same handwriting as Patsy. How did the crazy lunatic know where her favorite white blanket was in the clothes dryer on the 2nd floor? Why would the crazy lunatic wipe her down after the horrific act and redress her and go search for the blanket and wrap her up like a christmas present instead of getting out of the home as quickly as possible? Patsy knew where the blanket was and knew it was her favorite blanket. She wrapped her in it as a loving gesture meaning "I LOVE YOU". This was not a crime committed by any lunatic intruder.
I don’t pretend to know who is responsible, but I’ve thought about how she was strangled and hit on the head very close to the same time. Could she have been grabbed from behind with the garrote and dragged down the basement stairs? That would explain the abrasions on her back and she could have been suffocated in the dragging and hit her head on the basement steps.
Hey guys remember she was placed in the walk way by John and that they had a party 2 days before with 150 people and also had between 1500/2000 people inside there house over a month before Xmas with their house walk through
Could the parents have transported their dead daughter, who was killed by a close family friend/relative at the Christmas party, then covered it up? I know it’s implausible, but so are so many other theories.
And, when John “disappeared” to get mail, he may have hauled out the belongings the commenter above lists is missing, imo. And, mail came through door slot, so was a confusing excuse to disappear?
Did you forget about the pineapple found in her stomach at the outopsi? an intruder would not feed her a snack before killing her. So there was no intruder.🤪
Father staged the scene, ultimately killing her. Patsy commits the skull fracture after a parental rage due to multiple and escalating issues that spun out of control that night. Patsy wrote the ransom note. If the “kidnapper” got their target…why go tot he basement? I’ve stolen candy from the store and was OUT of there in 5-10 seconds and ran blocks away within 30 seconds.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. Nor do you Care to Find Out because you’re all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about each & every member of her family instead. You watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hate-filled agendas & post that as if facts. Shame on you all. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because you Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw - Case Evidence which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence & online for all to source. You people are nobodies & clearly y’all are not very bright so just get over yourselves & leave this family In Peace. Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are ignorant, hateful, gullible, cruel & then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid.
The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ At All & the 8 cops & detectives there that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive & within 6 minutes of the start of the 911 call. He had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived. The Whites, the Fernies & the pastor arrived at different times & sat in the den & sunroom. It was going to be a long wait that, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called two victim's advocates to come who were also present from early that morning. Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & with detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window shows that it was taken in the Night. Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cop's Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails. Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper. *It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’. Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer of her precious child. Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well. Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against his theory, they were out. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out the Seasoned investigators continued Unpaid. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. Patsy liked to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & a pair of black pants to the White’s Xmas night dinner. They were up so early on the 26th because they were to take their plane to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at Minneapolis airport & then all were going to their Charlevoix house for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt Patsy wanted to show off her Xmassy sweater again. That morning, she threw that on with the same pants, re-did her make-up & was ready to go when she went down the stairs. She planned on having a bath when they got to their holiday house, after the long flight. Patsy found the note & only read to about - ‘we have your daughter’ & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She was using the wall phone in the alcove near the kitchen, John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then. The public need to find out about the layout of that Huge 4 level mansion. Patsy had been racing around a long distance plus the spiral staircase 2 times, in shock & great fear, she was so stressed that she couldn’t even get her words out at the Very Beginning of that Desperate 911 call & what came out was Babble. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was in the alcove near the kitchen. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Really had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. Burke did Not move from his bed til he was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. He was Never a suspect. One needs to think about the Major Players behind this Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas who blamed Patsy, Linda Arndt who blamed John & James Kolar who blamed Burke - neither of these 'cops' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. They all got their mugs on National TV trying to find their version of fame & fortune. They are All Proven LIARS.
@@nomadicmedia Those who are Truly interested in this case will read & Loads have. I have been posting for quite some time. It's only been in the past 2 months or so that I have added more than one long narrative on the same thread &/or to a single person. Considering how much there is to get out about this case, those long ones Are my version of a synopsis. Ha. The reply bar only allows for so many lines of dialogue & so why no or few paragraphs. When I post 3-4 of the long ones together, I know there is repeated info & I need to edit each, fix that issue. Someone like a paralegal can step in & re-do them all actually. I'm just not bothered at the mo. I understand what I'm saying. LOL.
Interesting you mentioning how Patsy stated, it could be a Colorado state university student. When Doug and John Jrn visited Chad Henderson he said in this interview that at the time of the crime, his brother was attending the university. Their dad knows John Ramsey and his family lived close by the Ramsey’s. He’d gone bankrupt and were on many’s mind as a worthy suspect. Mr Henderson has 2 sons, all 3 haven’t given a dna sample. Though funny enough Chad lied and has stated that they have. In a pod cast hearing his voice and the way he spoke it were as they the ransom note was speaking. It was quite strange and alarming. Good idea to take their son Burke out of and away from this.
her efforts with the fingernails, to me, shows she was struggling for her life, and i know she is six years old, but kids man, they buck and rock and kick and throw their head, throw their head back and forth, and idk about this basement in this house, but to my knowledge, it's a hard surface. and so are the walls. and her head injury, to me is from that more likely. little jonbenet was either in death throws or in her final struggle with this assailant, her brain was shutting down but her body was being given the signal to fight.
More than likely. Only John knows. A Grand Jury voted ro indict the Parents. Alex Hunter would not press charges. No one will be prosecuted. It's a done deal.
Okay I usually listen to your podcasts on Apple Podcasts but I came here just to leave this comment. Your content (especially for the jonbenet case) is sone of the most thorough research and you guys touch on every detail. Amazing podcast in general. I have to say I have always been a believer of the intruder theory. I also agree that the killer(s) were in the house while the family was gone writing the note. To me the Santa Claus theory fills a lot of holes in the case. The 911 call a couple days before during the party, the ‘special visit’. The incident with his daughter around Christmas like 22 years before, the weird boot prints in the basement. If I had to guess that’s who my guess would be. My second guess would be the young man who ‘committed suicide’ shortly after the press conference and his family wouldn’t give up DNA. Anyways just came here to say that and ask kindly to please cover the Macin Smith case sometime. I would love to hear your insight.
No, I don't believe it was Santa. He did seem overly attached to her, but he was actually quite frail. He'd had heart surgery not too long before. If he tried to carry her, he'd probably pass right out!
@@Bugiddle I agree. Mr. Reynolds who played Santa also had lung surgery as well as heart surgery. He probably would not have even been able to lift her. the Ramseys threw many under the bus in their book, The Death Of The Innocence. They threw the housekeeper under the bus, Fleet and Pricilla White as well.All this to deter the attention away from themselves.
@@moonchildluvsbobcrane hi tech was a popular company in 1996, all yuppies had them. Could’ve been anyone. The boot print wasn’t even fresh, it had been there. Doesn’t prove anything.
Lou Smit was a nice guy. But he had no knowledge of how the “stun gun” works & the effect it has on the human body. The inventor of the Taser gave a statement that it does NOT render persons of any age unconscious. It makes them scream and writhe until the power is cut. Also, any marks left are not smooth little circular ones. As the person reacts, marks look like scribbling on paper. (There’s a gun that requires contact and one that shoots out darts at the end of lines thru which the electricity flows. Works to 30-35 feet.) One cannot take Smit seriously & the grand jury did not. His praying with the Ramseys gives us his rationale and his crusade to clear John & Patsy.. One also must consider the medical evidence of continuing penetration, scarring of the tissue and the vaginal opening being twice the diameter of that of a child Jon Benet’s age & size. Dr Meyer (coroner) called in six colleagues from around the country to view the film and tissue samples & all concurred with the “continuing penetration” over a period of “days to weeks”. (Opinion:,I do not believe the parents struck the blow or strangled the child. A bias I admit. At nearly 10 years old her brother OR a friend were perfectly capable of using the hollow, aluminum SOFTBALL bat to create the 8.5” fracture running the length of the skull. It flexes unlike a heavy flashlight and a neighbor heard “metal hitting concrete” around 12-2:00a.m. Lastly, consider the interviews with Burke compared to the Ramseys. The only consistency is inconsistency. (Bike, going downstairs late, not asleep when John claimed he was, almost laughing when asked about his sister’s murder. He is not afraid, not concerned, just wants to play video games. And on infinitum.
The theories have definitely been bizarre. I recall a few things said about John and his obsession with his older daughter that were very unsettling BUT I have never seen anything to prove these things. If true then the things I’ve heard are creepy but if not true it’s a shame someone would say those things.
Where do you think the crime happened? Do you think sister and brother sometimes played doctor? The autopsy says, the strangulation and head wound happened simultaneously.
Why do all of you, so called, investigators so conspicuously never mention Linda Arndt, the first investigators on the scene, so clearly shows the blatant evidence of the guilt of the parents.
She knew it was John when he brought JB upstairs and she looked into his eyes. He asked her if JB was dead?? Good grief, he knew darn well she was. Her body was stiff in rigor mortis and it had begun decaying. Oh, gee, no! I think we can save her! 🙄 Ridiculous!
An adult……can snap the neck of a 6 year old girl……so why the strangulation and head injury…….this was a molestation that snowballed into death……and the ransom note was a desperate cover…..to buy time and space…….and by the way a rope tied around a neck does not necessarily make it a garrot…..but the question is…..who was eating pineapple after everyone went to sleep……this is a major and probably the number one crossroad of all the evidence….
@true crime garage have u ever reached out to White family for an interview??? I have always wanted to hear things from their perspective or whoever else that was called over to their house that day
@@truecrimegarage You will surely NOT get answers from them, I promise...and this is the reason why... Freemason Connections in the JonBenet Ramsey murder: In a previous post I did an expose of what Freemasonry really is, which is an organization that hides a Secret Society that has great influence in America and in the U.S. Government. In this post I want to make connections between Freemasonry and the JonBenet Ramsey murder. Here are the obvious connections that come to me: Nancy Krebs revealed that she saw Patsy Ramsey at a Rainbow Girls convention before Patsy was married to John Ramsey. Rainbow Girls is a Freemason organization that like the Freemasons itself pretends to be one thing on the surface but is in reality something else entirely. What it is in reality is involved in arranging marriages between Freemason men and the daughters of other Freemason men. Patsy was the daughter of a high ranking Freemason, Donald Paugh. John Ramsey was a Freemason. John Ramsey hooked up with Patsy Ramsey through Freemasonry connections involving the Rainbow Girls. The marriage between John and Patsy Ramsey is not a normal natural one but a Freemasonry arranged marriage between a Freemason and the daughter of another Freemason. The family that John Ramsey comes from is also a Freemason family. John Ramsey's father, James Ramsey was a Freemason in Michigan that held important positions in the Government. John Ramsey is the son of an important Freemason. Fleet White Jr., John's close friend from California who followed him to Boulder, CO is without doubt a Freemason. Both John Ramsey and Fleet White Jr were Freemasons in California before either of them moved to Colorado. Fleet Russell White Sr, Fleet White Jr's father and the prime suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey was a high ranking Freemason. It is my belief that Fleet Russell White Sr. was a 33rd Degree Freemason. This is the primary reason he is being protected. This is the primary reason why almost all information about this man has been scrubbed from the internet. This is the primary reason for the cover up in the death of JBR. This is the primary reason why a fake crime scene was staged at the Ramsey Residence to hide where the crime happened (Fleet Russell White Sr's home) and the reason why all the focus has been primarily on the Ramseys. What is really being protected is not just Fleet Russell White Sr but Freemasonry itself, which is also known as the Illuminati. Freemasonry is very deeply involved in this murder but the organization has gone to great trouble to conceal that fact. The Freemasonry infiltrated Boulder Police, Boulder DA, etc. has been fully involved in this cover up. The cover up of the truth exists to this very day.
I’ve always suspected Patsy as the author of the ransom ‘novel’. Perhaps she accidentally killed JBR and staged an elaborate scene, and the note was a ruse intended to deceive John. But all the bruising and ropes and the head wound seem way too brutal for someone in the family to have perpetrated. I’ve heard before that Michael Helgoth owned a stun gun and a pair of hi-tech boots that might’ve matched the boot prints observed in the wine cellar. I’ve also heard he had previously done some work at the Ramsey home so he might’ve cased the property and discovered a way in. Just a theory, obviously, but what if Helgoth and and possibly an accomplice snuck into the home hours earlier and laid in wait with intentions of kidnapping JonBenet’ for a ransom. Maybe they wrote the ransom note and fashioned the garrote while they waited. And maybe they didn’t intend to kill her with the blow to the head. Maybe it took a little while for them to realize they’d accidentally mortally wounded her. Perhaps the supposed stun gun marks were an attempt to awaken her from her unconscious state. And since she was already killed, they knew their chances of getting a ransom were ultimately foiled, so they hid the body in an obscure part of the house in order to buy time. Just some thoughts. I doubt we’ll ever really know what actually happened to this precious child. May she rest in peace.
Many Boulder police also were Hi-Tech boots and Burke I believe said on Dr. Phil he owned a pair. Many don't believe it was a stun gun but Burkes train tracks was a better match.
im not sure but i know a 911 call was made from the Ramsey household the day or two before JB died Noone spoke but an officer was sent to check it out. There was a party there at the time. Another weird plot twist to the case.
@@Goldi3loxrox TY for adding some sense to this Agatha Chritie-esque plot. Will they ever get a resolution to it? I think that Burke accidentally initiated the crime, with two very rich parents adding incompetence to the mess. I guess that "means" can dictate any ending that you are willing to pay for.
Cybergenetics in Pittsburgh, PA, using TrueAllele software could sort this out. IF it’s at all possible. TrueAllele eliminates all human bias or interpretation. The Taser inventor loudly stated the marks are not from a stun gun/Taser. Over 5 million recorded instances of use, none left these marks! (3 million in the field, 2 million in testing. Sorry, but ending with Santa Bill is a joke. Defend the Ramseys and tell us of random people. Most Americans are not logical thinkers. We’ve proven that sadly.
It was her brother Burke he had a history of hurting Jon Benet he struck her with a golf club before this incident and he also smeared her room and her food with his shit..i believe he struck her with a flashlight and possibly strangled her too and the parents had to cover it up with the ridiculous ransom note
That was all false info. It was put in the “star or Natl enquirer” from “inside source” was then reported in other magazines then retracted from original but to late. It was his plastic golf clubs they would fight over. Jonbonet room w across hall and he would run and use bathroom he was 6 and wore pull-ups at night .. he had to poop and couldn’t get those off he dropped the pants and pull up on the hallway bedroom entrance floor and kept running . No he didn’t grab a rag and trash and clean up and put vinegar on the Carpet.. he pry didn’t flush didn’t wash hands stepped over his pull up put on new Pj pants and started play video game. He is 6 .. it’s not his room he is autistic and they have a maid a housecleaner and a cook. So the dog hears the kids up .. dog excited w his wiggle butt he goes up steps in it jumps on jonbonet bed she freaks out screams the dog got his paw on her bed her shoulder and face where the dog was excitedly pawed at her. The dog runs into Brother room. Back in the poo the dog had spread . His door shut so dog scratches at Door so little streaks of poo on door .. jonbonet freaks touches her face rubs it on wall creeping out pulls off her nightgown throws on floor washes hands cook maid comes in to grab the dog to feed dog the pull up at that point has been kicked out of way by wild young Blk lab.. Jonbonet is crying maid only sees stripes if poo said dog jonb says no birk did it …maid goes to get patsy and sees poop streaks on Birx door and his door shut.., Jon bonnet throws his door open Birk jumps up screams get out of my room … the housekeeping maid came up and said there was Burke poop everywhere and that’s what she told enquirer..2 yr later that story got switched to Burke went helter skelter w poop in his sis room. And gets paid for story
@@Think-dont-believe did you watch his interview when he was 6?did you watch the interview when he was an adult?the fact he hit his sister with a golf club itself is disturbing wether it was a plastic club or not isn't relevant it's the act that's relevant and btw the poop story was corroborated by the maid remember he not only smeared his sisters bedroom with it he even smeared it on her food..this is one sick individual who got away with murder
@@chickenhappy3607 Neither of your meanass posts are true, GTFU. FYI - Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her under the eye, he cried about it for a week.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
The fact the flashlight couldnt ccause a perfect 8 inch long gash is b.s. same with a baseball bat her head was hit on a corner or a counter or rhe stairs it makes the most sense and that still lines up with accident as her brother/patsy could have been chasing her she slips falls and bam gash and skull fracture or with patsy pushed her and she falls hits her head it wouldnt have talen much if she trips and this also lines up with murder as the killer may have dropped her on the stairs
@dylanwicklund5129, I don't think she would have got that kind of fracture if she hit her head on something. That kind of fracture is more likely caused by a vicious blow to the head.
This is very complex case. If you are really interested in solving the case you have to thoroughly study this like a real detective. Even then you will probably go down one or more rabbit holes like the Boulder police did. So to make a podcast series or a TH-cam series without even knowing 90% of the facts is a bad idea.
@electricaf365, None of us know exactly what happened that night. We are just giving some very good theories about what happened. Some peoples theories are just plain foolish.
Why didn't they sample the Santa's wife handwriting and she is very sketchy and in her book she writes that a woman was the evil one and I just think that this husband and wife should have been investigated more
They all lived in the same house lol all of their DNA is all over everything. It would be absurd if her family's DNA weren't on her. And they had a big party the night before - Jon Benet was the coat check girl and handled every person at the party's coat. Touch or trace DNA of anyone there at the party would have been on her. What I do know is that SBTC stands for the Santa Barbara Training Center, where John and his bestie Fleet White trained together. I also know that JB was medically shown to have been SA-ed, and Burke had a fecal fascination that's too gross to talk about here. Something incredibly dreadful was going on in that house systematically and for a long time. I also know that very wealthy people have elaborate and strange parties where they play act and dress up - just watch Real Housewives, it's a thing. Maybe the note was part of their playacting, hence it's strangeness. Weirdness to us, inside jokes to them. The mention of John's bonus amount, SBTC, Patsy's penchant for southern ways ... Maybe they were acting out a scenario and Fleet White finally went too far. This is not a DNA case. The amount of parties and house hopping that was going on all that week is crazy, and no one's going to be able to sort out all that DNA. It's not a DNA case. It's a child abuse case that had been ongoing. If you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein, you know these people use their children to gain a leg up in that world. They are not like us.
They or Burke didn't killed her, but they knew who did and why and they had to cover... And they did it perfectly, they were never convicted, or even charged, nothing here is stupid, everything they did was to make you confused. This is too brutal murder for parents or nine year old brother, but they were from the very start deliberately doing stuff that is not helping no one, they were clever people and they knew how it is important to keep crime scene intact, and to cooperate no matter what, so this is the only explanation left. They were involved in some bad stuff...
Yeah, my thoughts are similar. I don’t think the Ramseys did it, but that they know who did & for some reason (I assume money) wanted to protect them. Maybe SBTC is an inside message.
@@beeley If somebody kills your daughter you would have to be mentally insane to protect them. If you killed my German Shepherd I would not protect you. By the way he is big and strong so you would not be able to kill him.
There was no intruder. That ransom note defies logic and was in fact vety close to her handwriting. I understand even her style if writing matched the note.
Irritation and signs of long term abuse are not the same. If there had been NONE (abuse) there would be no question, whatsoever. John and OR Patsy ? Depends on how much of a control freak they were with their kids. We see now days just because it appears to be all hunky dory..not always the case. I had a friend long ago who was in social work..confided in me about a case where an investigation proved, a prominent doctors family not only had incest between them all but included Bowser....Yep....🤮🙃 Can't judge a book by it's cover. Maybe it was all out of anger that ended in violence...then a cover up. The first GIANT red flag is to invite a whole 'party' of people...friends, clergy...to contaminate the scene 🙃😡 What educated person does that ????? Most people would do ANYTHING for their children. Mr. B (brother)...OK. It is known that there are some nine year old girls who menstruate ...what's to say a nine year old boy could be in puberty.
on the issue of a stun gun: a stun gun does not incapacitate, it simply inflicts pain. and it normally wouldn't leave a mark. i can only see this happening if applied for an extended period of time, if at all. the thing that causes the pain of a stun gun is the way it causes muscles to spasm. this is also what causes cardiac arrest in some cases where the current passes through the heart. the power is pulsed though, and i don't think it delivers enough power for long enough for the electricity to actually heat up the flesh to the point of leaving a mark. in the end it is just a battery operated device. capable of high voltage, but delivering very low amperage. on the issue of the evidence of abuse with a finger: it is not uncommon for abused children to masturbate, even roughly enough to cause minor wounds. this comes up in the documentary 'child of rage'.
Bird is the one that strike his sister with that flashlight and hit it with a pineapple cross her head and accidentally kill his sister and he's trying to cover up to the world so he don't go to jail but bird is the one that really killed his sister with that pineapple and that flashlight and really hurt his little sister cover up the crime scene so he don't go to jail and you guys should put bird in jail for killing his little sister he be in jail for that crime that he did
Ask yourself why did John Ramsey start looking in the basement only when he had a police officer go along? He searched the house earlier with a friend Iirc, ? Why not start in the basement the first time?
@@Ims51 There are so many loose threads in this case, it's impossible to keep track of everything! For all the work done on this murder and all the publicity, it's extraordinary to think that not only do we not know who committed it but nor do we know when JB died or in what location. It's mind-blowing. Yet somebody knows. Or, at least, knew.
@@stevenmcghee6649 imagine if it is one of those psychopaths who get off on observing people who talk about a crime they did without even being suspected?
@@Ims51 Indeed. Like Ian Huntley. One fact that has stuck in my head - and it really astonishes me - is that there were 38 people living within a 2-mile radius of the Ramsey house who were on the Sex Offenders Register. That blows my tiny mind. What sort of a place was/is Boulder? Normal on the surface but rotten underneath is my conclusion.
All I can see is that people don't understand this crime. There are 3 very important issues discussed here that might change your perception of the events and why all panned out the way it did: *Time of death. You need to be a pathologist to tell how long a person can stay alive with this type of head injury. It might turn out for instance that the blow took place at 11.30 pm and the death occurred at 1.00 am. *A single incident, I mean a blow to the head with a golf club, for example, might equal to an accident, right!? Another go with a flashlight changes the perspective, doesn't it? It might suggest an intent. Am I right? *John is adamant that the intruder had broken into the house before they returned from the party and waited there until they fell asleep. What's more, he suggests that the intruder had a flashlight. So take his word for granted about the flashlight and that it was one of two murder weapons. It's a very similar situation to the famous McCanns case. The McCanns have never been interested in the Smiths sighting but believed J. Tanner's seeing the alleged kidnapper of their girl. Why? Because it was at the exact time when Gerry was talking to Mr Jeremy W. which was giving Mr McCann an alibi and was making their story about an abductor credible. Regards and Semper Fi
Great podcast, but I think it’s quite naive to think that parents or a sibling couldn’t abuse a family member! My brother in law deals with child abuse at work and it is 99% family that are the predators. Burke is strong enough to hit jonbenet over the head ! Also saying abuse wasn’t going on for years probably wasn’t parents, it happened only a few days before and on the day of the murder, well… there’s a first time for everything to happen isn’t there. So perhaps it started on the 22/23rd!
Part 1 of 2. Firstly, Karr was talking about young school girls there that he said he was watching & he named one. Then all the sickening dialogue about JB as well til he said he was present when she was murdered. There was quite a complex operation just to Find him in Thailand & then his identity was exposed. He was wanted in the U.S. for child porn charges & so, the arrest. Next - what you both are saying about the DNA, is Not true. Obviously you watched that TV show that was put together After Lacy announced the exoneration - 'DNA in Doubt'. A Bogus TV show with False information about the DNA, pretending that forensic reports were in hand. None of those BS artists in white coats were involved in Any of the DNA testing. It is a Fact that DNA from one of the perps - under JB's fingernails, mixed with hers & those results were known about within the first 2 weeks of the murder. The cops kept those vital results from the DA for 7 months. There were 2 spots of blood in the underpants that were Never tested. It wasn't til the grand jury was convened, that the Ramsey's lawyers found out about That. Testing was ordered, the results - the blood was JBs. Next DNA testing - unknown male DNA mixed in one spot of blood. As forensics advanced, the DNA of one was developed & Has Been In CODIS since 2003. That same year - the libel case in relation to Wolfe vs Ramsey. Federal Court Judge Carne had the opportunity to go over the evidence that was known about, at that stage. She declared the Ramseys factually Innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. She was particularly scathing at Steve Thomas & Cina Wong - both who said Whatever for $$ & both put out False information. All can read the transcript of Carne's findings online, 93 pages. FYI - Loads of suspects were being Cleared due the DNA & then John Mark Karr also. Lacy ordered more DNA testing in 2007. The results - Matching DNA from one of the perps that included - at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, the long-johns being pulled up/down. Lacy made that announcement due to the mountain of evidence that Showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of - Plus the DNA. The BPD had long before given up on this case but many Renowned private investigators continued & worked tirelessly Unpaid. Further DNA testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. YOUR 'show' is every bit as bad as all the TV shows from the beginning & all the utube 'shows' from the past few years - you're putting out the same old same old False information & the incitement of abject hatred against this Proven Innocent family Continues. The True information about the DNA is Very important in regards to what the general public Think. Lots of newscasts & talk shows for the past 2 years have been getting out the DNA info again, about This case. Only the ever hateful Ramsey bashers, totally Ignore that Scientific evidence. Linda hadn't received the check for $2000, she was to pick that up when she cleaned the house on the 26th. Linda called Patsy crying & said that her sister had kicked them out of the house due to rent owing. Linda's stories changed with the weather & after the murder, depending on how much she was going to be paid for an interview - one was $20,000 & a trip to Florida. Mervyn, Linda & her daughter were to do some jobs at the house when the Ramseys went away for Thanksgiving. Mervyn was supposed to have fixed that broken window. The 'wine' cellar was just a storage room & the Xmas trees were kept in there. Mervyn & Linda's daughter took the Xmas trees from that room & placed them upstairs. That cement room used to be a coal bin & was the Only room that didn't have a window & so, that room could not be seen from outside. The Barnhills who lived across the road, had a key. At some stage, Betty said she couldn't find the key & Patsy gave her another one. Glenn Meyer was secretly living in their basement apartment. The Barnhills never told John & Patsy that he was there, even though Patsy & the kids were over there often. Stop all this crap about the 'speculation' of the 3 in that house. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago. Do something called Research, learn about the Actual evidence instead of repeating all the BS from TV shows & magazines. There is No intruder 'theory', perpetrators being in that home is a Fact. Umm, Steve Thomas had Never worked a murder case before & was an ex-narcotics officer. Lou Smit was one of The best investigators in the country & he Solved over 200 murder cases. He was retired & wasn't brought into the case until months later. The 2 who murdered JB, left town within the first week. They were only staying at the house on the corner, the 4th perp owned/leased that house. No cops went to that house to make enquires at Any stage. Lou didn't know about those two at all. Meyer got out of town also. Steve Thomas was a particularly deceitful sociopath, who hid evidence of an intruder for his Own purposes, he constantly talked about the Book he was going to write. Deary, All Ramseys were 'officially' Cleared. Jeez. Go find out all that was actually done to this child, maybe Then you'll understand that these parents could Never have done all of That, let alone the 9 year old Kid, who was Never even a suspect. There was No 'bonk on the head'. Go find the photos of the X-rayed skull. There was an 8" Open fracture, front to back & nearly the length of the skull & then a Hole at the top, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. JB was tortured for Hours & strangled to death when Patsy called 911. The autopsy photos clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails at the front of her neck At the cord, because she was fighting for her life when being strangled. There were abrasions at the base of her neck due to earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device, the cord being tightened loosened tightened. This was a very Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. Both severe fractures to her skull occurred just After her death, 3 weapons were at hand, each one is in evidence. It is a Fact that if Either of those fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't.
Part 2 - You need to understand that the higher-ups within law enforcement, withhold evidence, even from their investigators, as-in, that useless lying scumbag, Steve Thomas. Wecht is just Another a##wipe who said Whatever for Book Sales also & he was Never involved in this case, nor was the FBI. BTW - JB did Not wet the bed that night. The ME's name was John Meyer, he did Not say Any of that At All. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol for Boulder County. The end of the paintbrush was used at JB's genitals, the tip was broken off & never found. Some deviants keep trophies. CBS & the whole group of so-called 'experts' were Sued for all their atrocious BS. James Kolar sat there Gloating because the whole 'show' was formatted to His book of BS, blaming Burke. Both so-called 'scientists, were personally sued for Their deliberate lies. That was Not a rope, it was a white nylon Cord, the ends were frayed. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked JB on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. From the position of the necklace 'caught' at the bottom of the cord, means that one perp held that in place to start with & she was on her back. The dig marks in her neck, also means that JB was on her back when being strangled to death. The gold cross on her necklace, was to the back. Her death occurred on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. I'm not going into the exact positioning as that occurred, if you go over that area, you should be able to work that out. Look closely at the double 'knot' in the cord, that was at the back of her neck. I hadn't got to the end of your video before I started this rebuttal but will leave as-is for other readers. Exactly, shame on CBS & all those who put their faces on TV to carry on with that Rubbish. Burke agreed to do that interview with Dr Phil, for 2 reasons - that CBS doc was due out & he wanted to defend himself & being the 20 year anniversary of the murder of his little sister, he wanted to remind the public that this case was still unsolved. Dr Phil has a great deal to answer for also. He said things about certain events that were Not true, he constantly interrupted Burke & he put that photo of the black steel ball bat on screen, when that was Not Burke's bat. His was a Blue baseball bat that the perps put at the isolated part of the house, in front of the basement bathroom window. Burke was struggling to Remember things & wasn't given the courtesy of time to Think, nor answer fully, that was Very clear. Burke was interviewed That afternoon by detective Patterson when still at the Whites. He wasn't told that JB was found. Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. That interview was recorded. After that Bogus CBS 'show' & the horrendous fall-out of that interview as well, Patterson did Publicly state that Burke knew Nothing & was very worried that his sister was still missing. The video interview 10 days later, was with a police services officer & went on for Hours. The public has seen a few Bits of that interview. His parents Allowed that interview to go ahead. No lawyer was with Burke. The next video interview went on for Hours over 2 days with a detective, Burke was 11, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that to take place. The public has seen a few Bits of that interview. That was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? Without knowing anything else about this crime, that alone is the Crux of this case. People say ‘these types of cases’, in relation to children found deceased - there has Never been a case like this one. Putting the note aside - the crime was ultimately murder & the body was found in the home. Predominantly, the statistics about kids who are found murdered are in relation to - junkies, alcoholics, meth heads, mental health illnesses, divorce, paedophiles, the underprivileged, step-fathers & mothers who got a new boyfriend, who didn’t want kids around. The scene was Not 'very contaminated' At All. Think about the myriad of other crimes when someone comes across a person who's unresponsive - one walks in &/or around, one touches or moves the body &/or clothes to see what's wrong, may turn the body over, may perform CPR & the paramedics & cops do, the Same Thing & the body may be moved To an ambulance. The only 'mess' in the house was the kitchen where the Xmas Day food prep items hadn't been cleared away, the housekeeper was due there on the 26th. This was Not a sexually motivated crime. One of the perps was into bondage & so that complex made device. It was Always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. All involved sure didn't go to so much trouble & take such high risks for nothing, the taking of photos was their back up for money. Nope, the note was Very serious & they did want that quick available Cash. Patsy only read to - 'we have your daughter' & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. What did the note State would happen if the cops were called? People can't Fathom what happened because This crime hasn't been a script for a one hour TV show or a movie. There are many sound reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to think about Why. This plan - JB was Never to be taken from the basement. There was a whole lot of research that went into this planning & the co-conspirators were Neighbours. There is a photo taken with a zoom lens, from the very top of that hill at the trails, one can see all the way down that street & so, to the front of the Ramsey's house. From that place, one could see all around that whole area, all the streets, all the 'comings & goings'. This case Is solved, when the one who was 17 at the time is found, there'll be an announcement. When Henry Lee's mouth is flapping, he's Lying. CeCe Moore has weighed in on this case, she wants the DNA. Does That tell you something? Go find out who Doberson is, as a Renowned forensic pathologist, he has Already said a Long time ago that a stun gun was used, the type has now been Identified, it was an Air Taser. He also stated that there was Zero evidence of any prior sexual abuse. It is now known that was a Hi-Tec Shoe print, Not a boot. There was a different shoe print also in the cellar & the palm print on the back of the cellar door was never identified. That basement was painted about 1 year prior.
Beth I wish you would write a book with real facts about this murder. You have done the research and the world deserves to know the truth instead of listening to these bs shows.
Beth I would really like to read the research you have found on this case. I believe you have found facts that are accurate and these guys don't know what they are talking about.
@@pauly1148 It must be soo terrible for people like You, to Read that some people Know the Truth about this crime And, the Truth about the Case & the Truth about what Actually happened to JB & post those True Facts. As Opposed to all the hate-filled & idiotic garbage that 1000's of people post on all sites. The Same menagerie of people who are Misinformed, Naive, Ignorant, Rude, Aggressive, Abusive, Despicable & downright Stupid. These Same people call names At the Ramseys & accuse them of disgraceful & vile acts against Both Kids, Including this sadistic Murder of their 6 year old Child. Then those who are even Worse & do Same to the 9 year old Kid. You all post your Garbage about this fine upstanding family who were All Proven Innocent a Long time ago. BTW - All have the Right to Defend Them. BTW - who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? Only morons believe Patsy Did That! Not everyone are guilty of being an absolute imbecile deary. Loads of you make up stupid Shite & post about your Baseless ‘observations’ due to your Ignorance, Hateful hearts & then there's all the Envy going on. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, due to something called Evidence & by a bunch of Actual experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because You Don't Know about that evidence, Does Not Mean that it doesn't exist. The Exoneration was just from evidence that was known about way back at that time. FYI - the investigation Continued. All you brainwashed zombies are running around trying to feel all important, yet don't even have 3 brain cells left to realise that - this case hasn't been to trial, so the Actual Evidence about the case was Not released to the media & So, not on your TV. Loads of unscrupulous people have made loads of Dollars from people like Yourself. Doh. Like soo many others, You watch TV, pick out what you Choose to believe, then post that on these sites As If fact. At The Same Time, you all Make Up a whole lot of Other Shite & post that As If factual too. Yawn. I do something called Research lovey, isn’t that friggin shocking. LOL. You & your like watch TV & read books of BS & then repeat it all like well trained monkeys. Go Learn what DNA is for a Start. The DNA that was Collected, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from an Unknown Male, that has been in CODIS since 2003. Which Means, NO Ramsey at all.
What if Burke intended to kill her first time with his handicapp failed and just sat snd waited . Pineapple express set him off again . I know nothing but see a path to understanding logic .
To me people over think this case the chance of a intruder come thru the basement go upstairs drag the girl downstairs molester her, murder her, stage it ,write a lengthy ransom note with paper and pen from the house ask for exactly John's bonus pay leave it on the stairs after you know the girl is dead do all of this without waking anyone up and leaving no evidence?? 0 percent chance ... It was someone in the Family .
@chadlynch6992, Most definitely!!!!!
@chadlynch6992, Of course. And also put the pen and the paper back where you found it. Force of habit by Patsy. How did the fake intruder know the Ramseys might have heard him and came downstairs with a gun. the so called fake intruder felt very comfortable hanging around the house for sometime. Almost like he lived there. LOL
I totally agree. This case fascinates me . The cobweb in the window shows no one came through that window !!
Oh yeah I forgot about that , putting the pen back that’s a habit for sure !!
Exactly
Nobody is going to sit down, put their feet up and write a long blabbering ransom note with pen and paper from the house. The ransom note is ludicrous. And, no one is going to bring the ransom note with them and then copy it while sitting around before or after the murder. Makes no sense. Neither John nor Patsy uttered a peep when the time of the ransom demand came and passed. If I were a parent, I'd be glued to the phone. They weren't. If the perp could pull of such a vicious crime, he could have kidnapped her and taken her with. If it were sexually motivated, he would not want to get his jollies in a the home, as someone could hear and find him inflagrante delicto. Makes no sense at all.
Exactly.
Also they wouldn't have left that obviously staged note to inform the authorities that they were there since they ultimately decided to not take the child with them.
@@1badz239 Yes.
@@1badz239 Agreed.
If you kill the girl in the basement why not pick the ransom note back up ?
Your daughter is missing even believed kidnapped you check every room in the house 3 times , John doesn't find her till the cops are there .
I know that when my daughter had a UTI they questioned me if maybe she was being “messed with”. I knew that I had take my daughter to a Urologist. Got the results and it turns out my daughter had an enlarged bladder and she would not feel the urge to empty so infrequently that the bacteria would build up.
I just can never imagine further abusing a corpse to protect a family member. I don't see Patsy or John doing this.
All the party goers need to be looked at.
The Ramses didn't phase one bit when the ransom clock ran out.
The Ramses stayed separated all morning long. Neither one of them were comforting each other
Too many behaviors is it make no sense
This is a huge case. I think it was wise of John to hire different attorneys so that each family member would have their own attorney who is able to commit their focus on the defense of one person, rather than one attorney trying to focus on all members of the family and how they are being accused.
It is quite possible for a kid Burke's age to have caused that injury, especially in a fit of rage with the adrenaline flowing. With most opinions going to the head blow coming second, I lowered my theory Burke was involved in that. The parents had to be involved because, when the police arrived, Patsy was still in the same clothes she wore to the Christmas parties with hair and makeup done. She had been up the whole time since they got home. I think at first she had been getting the rest of the packing done for their flight in the morning. Then she had to wash and dry wet bedding, feed the kids pineapple, write a note and whatever needed to be done before the police were called. There is ZERO percent chance that the elegant Patsy would have been in the same clothes with makeup intact seven or eight hours after they got home if she'd gone to bed. Explain how an intruder got in when Patsy had been up all night.
I feel like if an intruder did it they got in while they were away and we're laying in wait. I can't imagine Patsy doing that to her child that she cared so much for. But I agree it's strange she was still in the same exact outfit and makeup. They were supposed to leave for a trip early in the morning perhaps the stress of arguing with the children took her over the top and then they tried to cover it up.
@markgardner4426, Mark, there was no intruder. If this was an intruder, he would have killed her and did his thing and quickly left the home. No intruder is going to kill the girl, do his thing, then wipe her down, redress her, go back upstairs and find her favorite blanket which was in the clothes dryer on the 2nd floor and by the way how did he know it was her favorite white blanket and where it was? He would not have even gone upstairs looking for any blanket in general to go back downstairs and wrap her up like a christmas present. No way! Patsy knew where her favorite white blanket was and she wrapped her in it as a gesture meaning "I LOVE YOU". This was not the crime of any intruder.
@@freddie3206I agree. Except, I believe that the white blanket was in the basement dryer, and that the Barbie nightgown had been clinging to it in static cling. I think that's what Linda Hoffman-Pugh said. It's a minor detail, though. 🙂
@@Bugiddle I could be wrong that's for sure but I thought it was in the dryer on the 2nd floor. The kids clothes were on the 2nd floor where their bedrooms were so i would assume she used the washer on the second floor. i know Patsy did.
Exactly..Missy nose in the air ? Um...no. She would not wear the same clothes the next day.
The titles of these are nuts. The number of the episode should be in the main title no?
NO INTRUDER PERIOD
I always thought the parents were somehow responsible and I listened to a lot of podcasts about Jonbenet. You made me question it for the first time. Your attention to detail, sensitivity, incredibly gentle approach to the little girl and her parents is astounding. I appreciate you! I usually listen to you on Spotify, but I just had to find you somewhere I could leave a comment.
Whoever wrote that note had all the time in the world. JonBonet was sexually assaulted. Burke was too young. Leaves only one person in my mind. Patsy wouldn’t want to sacrifice her way of life so she became complicit. This case still turns my stomach! RIP little one. The truth will be known eventually!
Still, at this point.
I have to believe it was Burke, her brother.
He’s always sounded like he’s had some long cultivated anger towards her.
It’s an interesting case.
The body was already in a state of rigotmortous and demise at least 12 hours. What time did the Ramsey's arrive home? The child was dead for at least 12 hours once the pathologist was able to examine the body. That's a long time.
Many years ago, we did foster care. You would be surprised at what type of violent force they can use (at a very young age) because of the amount of anger that they carry. I am not saying that this was Burke.
Do you think it was another young child?
This was perpetrated by a dynamic constant in the circle of what is Ramsey I think .
Patsy's 1st statement to police was Jonbenet went to bed in a red turtleneck (which was found in the bathroom) the coroner said the neck burn was from grabbing n twisting her up by the neck n the middle index finger of the killer made the burn which would explain her struggling w/ her nails.,.I believe she was then slammed against the fireplace cuz she has lower back abrasions. Her vagina was also wiped w/ a cloth n blood removed on her inner thigh...so how do u fit an intruder feeding her 🍍 in the middle of all this? NO! John lost his temper over something n Patsy helped cover for him for the most oldest reason for murder..$$! John's Billion $ Company would be gone n he would go to jail n Patsy's Social Status would be crushed! Those are the reasons both parents finished her off to save those 3 reasons. When people say intruder...I think they are looking at the "how could a parent do this" but unfortunately people don't know what really goes on inside the home when doors are closed! Just look @ all his interviews...it's all about the investigation doing him wrong n this was a "tragedy"... Your kid was sexually assaulted n strangled violently but he calls it a tragedy not a word to the intruder who most likely would be watching n that's cuz there is NO INTRUDER! look @ the 1st marriage...a young woman in the 70s W/ 3 kids under 7yrs old, the youngest being a baby.. yet she goes for a divorce..why? Very unusual to not try n work it out cuz John didn't leave her for another woman he was cheating with yet she wanted him out...why?? Maybe things seemed off back in that marriage His 1st wife maybe couldn't trust him in that house. It's very unusual that John lawyered up his 1st wife when police went to speak w/ her...why? What's he hiding..that KNOT on the Garrote is ALL JOHN..he is the sailor w/ boat n been in the Navy. John also would not strangle his own kid for anyone but himself to avoid going to prison. He staged it to look like NO PARENT would ever strangle their kid so bad but John is very intelligent n he wouldn't be a CEO if he wasn't a good reader of people and how they respond to things.. it's why he staged it to look so bad. Also Barbara Walters asked Patsy who are u? She answers..I'm a daughter,sister,friend,wife n then she says mother! Odd! Mother was last n wife 2nd to last...she obviously wrote the letter n John knew that would fall on her then on himself n he staged the crime scene. 1 interview after the funeral Patsy thru her teeth clenched (she didn't want to) say it) but tells ppl in boulder someone is out there n if u look closely John mumbles to her the beginning sentence. John bringing Patsy in her condition onto national TV shows he is manipulative n insensitive. A kid being molested in the home means more then just penis penetration. Oral sex n fingering is what was going on n the report from the actual dr.who saw her body reports chronic issues in that area. Plus the murder has a sexual element to it. Why? To cover the finger assault. Violent death but her sexual assault was not violent? Both parents killed her in their own way that night n the boy may have seen the beginning of this beating n ran upstairs so that explains why he wasn't afraid of some intruder.
Well said! 💯
Patsy's father was a Freemason.I believe she was sexually assaulted by her father.I believe burke and jon bennet were Sexually assaulted SICK
dark and horrific
I was told somewhere, that the boys longjohns she was wearing when found, came from a bag of clothes that was under the spiral staircase, that was supposed to be past on to Burke, or donated. How many people wash those clothes before donateing them?
She was violated with the paintbrush, there was pieces left behind. I dont think a male was the perp.
And yes the bear came from the christmas pagent. There are photos of the bears with the trophies on the table in the Little Miss Christmas pagent.
What you were 'told' about the long-johns is Not true. Let's say the long-johns were to go to Burke or charity - what does the non-washing of long-johns have to do with anything anyway? omg , so according to Your brain cells, only a female would use an implement to violate a child. Jeez, what's the brand of Koolaid that you drink? There needs to be a worldwide Ban on Koolaid.
Few, other than Hillary, donate dirty clothes
I wondered why she was wearing boys' longjohns! That makes sense someone (Patsy or John) pulled it out of a bag in the basement.
I also saw that the piece or pieces of paintbrush paint were microscopic? Is that true?
@Greenbeans70 the one that were found "in" JonJenet. Not the one left in the paint tray.
The touch DNA obviously clears no one especially someone who claims they were there, amazing to see them reject such an admission, the degree to which these DA’s have gone to run cover is highly suspect.
This story makes me realize we’ll never kno
On a side note what a mess! Crappy housekeeper smh. Maybe it was the housekeeper idk
I can't give a like to this type of video ; but enjoyed its input and excersising my brain and being sble in keeping in touch with deep feelings . Thanks
I've read all the books. I think Steve Thomas and jonbenet ramsey the great American tragedy are the best ones out there.
The crime scene was made to look like a strangulation, and pics were leaked to the press showing her with cord around her neck.
Great way to cover up a head trauma.
If you guys are serious about finding justice for JonBenét then you should include all the evidence, not just pick and choose what you want promote.
Almost every expert agrees that her head trauma came first, and to omit this in your podcast is intentionally misleading.
Do better.
experts? you pay 4 yours, i'll pay 4 mine......
@AlleyCat.., I agree, the head trauma came first. Why strangle a person first, then whack her over the head? Makes no sense! The duct tape over the mouth was also for confusion. Once she got whacked over the head the injury was so severe she never came conscious again.
A Dr wont check to see if a child is being sexually abbused, unless a parent has reason for it. Especially at age 6 when the parent is in the room with the child.
JB wasn't the only daughter that John had deary. What you said about a doctor not knowing about a sexually abused child Unless he/she did internal examinations, just shows the level of your Ignorance. Go back to Sleep.
@@bethryan9077You are incredibly rude!
@@susanjohnston8973 Go tell someone who Cares.
@@susanjohnston8973 I don't think you women are understanding what she meant🧐 but I know in America at Pasadena, CALIFORNIA is ran by Frankie Casrtillo coming thru the Catholic Church backed up by the Columbia drug Cartel saying he's got to guns and he's taking that pussy, I blew him to hell as simple as that, cause we have all thease Irish Catholic Monks running around with there heads cut off who sold my property to CHINA in the bottom of this Nuclear submarine together, cause the Scientology are keeping tabs on the Christians,, Are father art in Heaven that's my daddy to you know but is what I'm saying is I'm a Patriart you all are in a field of a Matriarch,, but you women are on the cross an don't Evan know what's going on being Rude sounds like another way of saying that you are putting your importance above someone else,,Nobody above you except for me cause I figured I'd give you 2 a reason to say that smokeing Crack so much til your blood itches has me thinking 🤔 that my mind doesn't work if my spine don't jerk a lately I been on edge but never had smoked crack an Worshipped Satan cause people might take offense to that as if, I invented the English language, as if those are my words, an Really I was just Christopher Columbus and then I went an asked a question about who's in charge then they told me to ask my Lawyer then he asked for money so if I can help in any way then let me know an I can get you lady's some professional help God knows Facebook or Instagram, or TikTok is were you all are in thoughts so I get to bug in and look at the bottom of whatever you all call this, I didn't know you woman were Jude's in Black Robe's! But They wouldn't let Johnny Cash High cause he took over everyone's mind cause no one had a brain 🧠 to begin with so much, for that thought 💭🤔, The United States Government was founded by our constitution Rights but yet Charles Manson was guilty and the man was in Bed with a women, during the time of the DA's Helter Skelter,🐑 so while your acting like kids I half to be on a GMC billboard with a Bagpipe! But I did save a bunch of money by the Joe Biden stilling my tax dollars coming back from China with wheelchairs on fire, using our tax dollars but don't blame me I didn't vote for him but, I don't think this is about Ted Bundy, I thought this was France not California!! But Kelly is starting that she going to vitalaly slap you 2 women shh 🤫 we're at the Alter the Pastor or Cult leader is speaking on JonBenet Ramsey's Murder I think 💬🤔 2pac was in Compton California during the time of this confinement! I was thinking about Santa Claus coming down the chimney but I fell asleep not only in 1994 but in 2023 as well 🤘! Eat mor Chken the cow 🐄 is painting on my billboard I half to go girls!!
@@susanjohnston8973 that Beth Ryan is supposedly Burke Ramsey. He hate anyone that diagrees with his comments, he gets his panties in a wad, and turns nasty. Nothing he says has ever been proven, and hes been saying "an arrest is coming soon", for over 3 yrs now. Calling him rude is being nice.
JR is clearly getting away it... he confused the whole investigation so well...
YeS!
Strict John Ramsay's evil. He's a Freemason. His father was a Freemason his father. James Studley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission in the 70s. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island which was a pedophile. Ring for boys, that's a fact the Ramsay's. Had a contract with William Morris model agency for services of John benay, knowingly or unknowingly pimping her out to politicians and that was Black Ops number 5 for the F.B.I. Google educate yourself santanic rituals J 1:15:49 1:15:49 1:15:49 1:15:49 on benet
@@freddie3206John ramsey's freemason His father james dudley ramsey also freemason He was a head of the aeronauti Commission.
He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island which was a pedophiling for boys in the 70s. That's a fact, also, John and Patsy Ramsay had a contract with William Morris model agency for services 4 Jon Benet, knowingly or unknowingly. Pimping her out to politicians and that was #5 Black Ops for the F. B. I. Google educate yourself santanic rituals jon benet
Agree
Where did the hi tech boot prints come from? Same size as Burke's?
It wasn't a boot print. It was a poon print.
I work as a nurse in a crisis mental health facility I have seen my fair share of crazy lunatic killers and trust me they are more then capable of writing a three page letter that makes no sense at all or they can carry on a complete conversation for awhile the totally make a hard left into crazyville I definitely think there was an intruder and I also believe he was in the house when they came home
It was an intruder
@716Lamia, It's amazing how a crazy lunatic had the exact same handwriting as Patsy. How did the crazy lunatic know where her favorite white blanket was in the clothes dryer on the 2nd floor? Why would the crazy lunatic wipe her down after the horrific act and redress her and go search for the blanket and wrap her up like a christmas present instead of getting out of the home as quickly as possible? Patsy knew where the blanket was and knew it was her favorite blanket. She wrapped her in it as a loving gesture meaning "I LOVE YOU". This was not a crime committed by any lunatic intruder.
I don’t pretend to know who is responsible, but I’ve thought about how she was strangled and hit on the head very close to the same time. Could she have been grabbed from behind with the garrote and dragged down the basement stairs? That would explain the abrasions on her back and she could have been suffocated in the dragging and hit her head on the basement steps.
Patsy said," I loved that child." Past tense.
well, she was dead, so whats your point exactly? that she was being factual?
@@timgreenglass Seriously. Some people are just stupid; grasping the hell out of straws.
Hey guys remember she was placed in the walk way by John and that they had a party 2 days before with 150 people and also had between 1500/2000 people inside there house over a month before Xmas with their house walk through
Does anyone know if I can get my hands on the grand jury testimony?
Could the parents have transported their dead daughter, who was killed by a close family friend/relative at the Christmas party, then covered it up? I know it’s implausible, but so are so many other theories.
And, when John “disappeared” to get mail, he may have hauled out the belongings the commenter above lists is missing, imo. And, mail came through door slot, so was a confusing excuse to disappear?
would involve 2 many others hearing/knowing
@drtjmccord, If some friend killed your daughter at a Christmas party, are you going to transport her home and cover it up? I think not! Wake up!
How did an intruder get in and out?
Did you forget about the pineapple found in her stomach at the outopsi? an intruder would not feed her a snack before killing her. So there was no intruder.🤪
Maybe Santa made some fruit and tea?
Father staged the scene, ultimately killing her. Patsy commits the skull fracture after a parental rage due to multiple and escalating issues that spun out of control that night. Patsy wrote the ransom note.
If the “kidnapper” got their target…why go tot he basement? I’ve stolen candy from the store and was OUT of there in 5-10 seconds and ran blocks away within 30 seconds.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. Nor do you Care to Find Out because you’re all too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about each & every member of her family instead.
You watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hate-filled agendas & post that as if facts. Shame on you all.
All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because you Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw - Case Evidence which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence & online for all to source.
You people are nobodies & clearly y’all are not very bright so just get over yourselves & leave this family In Peace.
Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes. Way too many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are ignorant, hateful, gullible, cruel & then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid.
The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ At All & the 8 cops & detectives there that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive & within 6 minutes of the start of the 911 call. He had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived. The Whites, the Fernies & the pastor arrived at different times & sat in the den & sunroom. It was going to be a long wait that, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called two victim's advocates to come who were also present from early that morning.
Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & with detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window shows that it was taken in the Night.
Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cop's Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails.
Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper.
*It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’.
Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer of her precious child.
Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well.
Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against his theory, they were out. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out the Seasoned investigators continued Unpaid. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. Patsy liked to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & a pair of black pants to the White’s Xmas night dinner. They were up so early on the 26th because they were to take their plane to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at Minneapolis airport & then all were going to their Charlevoix house for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt Patsy wanted to show off her Xmassy sweater again. That morning, she threw that on with the same pants, re-did her make-up & was ready to go when she went down the stairs. She planned on having a bath when they got to their holiday house, after the long flight. Patsy found the note & only read to about - ‘we have your daughter’ & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She was using the wall phone in the alcove near the kitchen, John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then. The public need to find out about the layout of that Huge 4 level mansion. Patsy had been racing around a long distance plus the spiral staircase 2 times, in shock & great fear, she was so stressed that she couldn’t even get her words out at the Very Beginning of that Desperate 911 call & what came out was Babble. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was in the alcove near the kitchen. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Really had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. Burke did Not move from his bed til he was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. He was Never a suspect.
One needs to think about the Major Players behind this Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas who blamed Patsy, Linda Arndt who blamed John & James Kolar who blamed Burke - neither of these 'cops' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. They all got their mugs on National TV trying to find their version of fame & fortune. They are All Proven LIARS.
@@nomadicmedia Those who are Truly interested in this case will read & Loads have. I have been posting for quite some time. It's only been in the past 2 months or so that I have added more than one long narrative on the same thread &/or to a single person. Considering how much there is to get out about this case, those long ones Are my version of a synopsis. Ha. The reply bar only allows for so many lines of dialogue & so why no or few paragraphs. When I post 3-4 of the long ones together, I know there is repeated info & I need to edit each, fix that issue. Someone like a paralegal can step in & re-do them all actually. I'm just not bothered at the mo. I understand what I'm saying. LOL.
Her mother did not do this to her. She adored her daughter
Interesting you mentioning how Patsy stated, it could be a Colorado state university student.
When Doug and John Jrn visited Chad Henderson he said in this interview that at the time of the crime, his brother was attending the university.
Their dad knows John Ramsey and his family lived close by the Ramsey’s.
He’d gone bankrupt and were on many’s mind as a worthy suspect.
Mr Henderson has 2 sons, all 3 haven’t given a dna sample.
Though funny enough Chad lied and has stated that they have.
In a pod cast hearing his voice and the way he spoke it were as they the ransom note was speaking.
It was quite strange and alarming.
Good idea to take their son Burke out of and away from this.
her efforts with the fingernails, to me, shows she was struggling for her life, and i know she is six years old, but kids man, they buck and rock and kick and throw their head, throw their head back and forth, and idk about this basement in this house, but to my knowledge, it's a hard surface. and so are the walls. and her head injury, to me is from that more likely.
little jonbenet was either in death throws or in her final struggle with this assailant, her brain was shutting down but her body was being given the signal to fight.
God love her . I bet she fought like a Lil champion . We re all Barbarians. Hiding in the dark .
Who accompanies jon bennet to her doctor appointments. Majority .
They may be hiding more then 1 secret .
More than likely. Only John knows.
A Grand Jury voted ro indict the Parents.
Alex Hunter would not press charges.
No one will be prosecuted.
It's a done deal.
Okay I usually listen to your podcasts on Apple Podcasts but I came here just to leave this comment. Your content (especially for the jonbenet case) is sone of the most thorough research and you guys touch on every detail. Amazing podcast in general.
I have to say I have always been a believer of the intruder theory. I also agree that the killer(s) were in the house while the family was gone writing the note. To me the Santa Claus theory fills a lot of holes in the case. The 911 call a couple days before during the party, the ‘special visit’. The incident with his daughter around Christmas like 22 years before, the weird boot prints in the basement. If I had to guess that’s who my guess would be. My second guess would be the young man who ‘committed suicide’ shortly after the press conference and his family wouldn’t give up DNA.
Anyways just came here to say that and ask kindly to please cover the Macin Smith case sometime. I would love to hear your insight.
Exactly the same reason I came here.
@aoaks62, You are not even close.
No, I don't believe it was Santa. He did seem overly attached to her, but he was actually quite frail. He'd had heart surgery not too long before. If he tried to carry her, he'd probably pass right out!
@@Bugiddle I agree. Mr. Reynolds who played Santa also had lung surgery as well as heart surgery. He probably would not have even been able to lift her. the Ramseys threw many under the bus in their book, The Death Of The Innocence. They threw the housekeeper under the bus, Fleet and Pricilla White as well.All this to deter the attention away from themselves.
Oh, butt that ransom note?????
A guy who was a suspect who owned hi tech boots shot himself but I believe they said his dna didn't match
Burke had “hi tech” boots. There’s photographs of him wearing them.
@@1954telecaster I believe the foot print was a grown mans.
@@moonchildluvsbobcrane hi tech was a popular company in 1996, all yuppies had them. Could’ve been anyone. The boot print wasn’t even fresh, it had been there. Doesn’t prove anything.
I feel like they shouldn’t be ruling anyone in or out, just based on the DNA.
@@moonchildluvsbobcrane Cops wear them. Many cops in the house that day.
Lou Smit was a nice guy. But he had no knowledge of how the “stun gun” works & the effect it has on the human body. The inventor of the Taser gave a statement that it does NOT render persons of any age unconscious. It makes them scream and writhe until the power is cut. Also, any marks left are not smooth little circular ones. As the person reacts, marks look like scribbling on paper. (There’s a gun that requires contact and one that shoots out darts at the end of lines thru which the electricity flows. Works to 30-35 feet.) One cannot take Smit seriously & the grand jury did not. His praying with the Ramseys gives us his rationale and his crusade to clear John & Patsy..
One also must consider the medical evidence of continuing penetration, scarring of the tissue and the vaginal opening being twice the diameter of that of a child Jon Benet’s age & size. Dr Meyer (coroner) called in six colleagues from around the country to view the film and tissue samples & all concurred with the “continuing penetration” over a period of “days to weeks”. (Opinion:,I do not believe the parents struck the blow or strangled the child. A bias I admit. At nearly 10 years old her brother OR a friend were perfectly capable of using the hollow, aluminum SOFTBALL bat to create the 8.5” fracture running the length of the skull. It flexes unlike a heavy flashlight and a neighbor heard “metal hitting concrete” around 12-2:00a.m. Lastly, consider the interviews with Burke compared to the Ramseys. The only consistency is inconsistency. (Bike, going downstairs late, not asleep when John claimed he was, almost laughing when asked about his sister’s murder. He is not afraid, not concerned, just wants to play video games. And on infinitum.
The theories have definitely been bizarre. I recall a few things said about John and his obsession with his older daughter that were very unsettling BUT I have never seen anything to prove these things. If true then the things I’ve heard are creepy but if not true it’s a shame someone would say those things.
Any trail you follow makes no sense. Who leaves a broken window in their basement during rain/snow? Nobody takes any responsible actions.
Why no security system in such a home???
Where do you think the crime happened? Do you think sister and brother sometimes played doctor? The autopsy says, the strangulation and head wound happened simultaneously.
Carr has an audience who listens . Someone once said something about a suckered birth .. every say .
Burke is the only one not listed I assume that has physically hurt Jon Bennet. Now its space travel .
Why do all of you, so called, investigators so conspicuously never mention Linda Arndt, the first investigators on the scene, so clearly shows the blatant evidence of the guilt of the parents.
In another episode (episode 2 iirc), they talk about her and her missteps. Do you think it was something deeper than just bad police work?
She knew it was John when he brought JB upstairs and she looked into his eyes. He asked her if JB was dead?? Good grief, he knew darn well she was. Her body was stiff in rigor mortis and it had begun decaying. Oh, gee, no! I think we can save her! 🙄 Ridiculous!
@@BugiddleDidn’t she recant that later though?
@@kandykaye9981 I didn't hear that. I think she later felt guilty because Patsy died of cancer.
An adult……can snap the neck of a 6 year old girl……so why the strangulation and head injury…….this was a molestation that snowballed into death……and the ransom note was a desperate cover…..to buy time and space…….and by the way a rope tied around a neck does not necessarily make it a garrot…..but the question is…..who was eating pineapple after everyone went to sleep……this is a major and probably the number one crossroad of all the evidence….
100%. Dr. Cyril Wecht's forensic analogy makes the most sense .
Inside job Patsy wrote the note . The Ramsay should have never been exonerated Period
@true crime garage have u ever reached out to White family for an interview??? I have always wanted to hear things from their perspective or whoever else that was called over to their house that day
I would love to speak with them.
@@truecrimegarage You will surely NOT get answers from them, I promise...and this is the reason why...
Freemason Connections in the JonBenet Ramsey murder:
In a previous post I did an expose of what Freemasonry really is, which is an organization that hides a Secret Society that has great influence in America and in the U.S. Government. In this post I want to make connections between Freemasonry and the JonBenet Ramsey murder.
Here are the obvious connections that come to me:
Nancy Krebs revealed that she saw Patsy Ramsey at a Rainbow Girls convention before Patsy was married to John Ramsey. Rainbow Girls is a Freemason organization that like the Freemasons itself pretends to be one thing on the surface but is in reality something else entirely. What it is in reality is involved in arranging marriages between Freemason men and the daughters of other Freemason men. Patsy was the daughter of a high ranking Freemason, Donald Paugh. John Ramsey was a Freemason. John Ramsey hooked up with Patsy Ramsey through Freemasonry connections involving the Rainbow Girls. The marriage between John and Patsy Ramsey is not a normal natural one but a Freemasonry arranged marriage between a Freemason and the daughter of another Freemason.
The family that John Ramsey comes from is also a Freemason family. John Ramsey's father, James Ramsey was a Freemason in Michigan that held important positions in the Government. John Ramsey is the son of an important Freemason.
Fleet White Jr., John's close friend from California who followed him to Boulder, CO is without doubt a Freemason. Both John Ramsey and Fleet White Jr were Freemasons in California before either of them moved to Colorado.
Fleet Russell White Sr, Fleet White Jr's father and the prime suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey was a high ranking Freemason. It is my belief that Fleet Russell White Sr. was a 33rd Degree Freemason. This is the primary reason he is being protected. This is the primary reason why almost all information about this man has been scrubbed from the internet. This is the primary reason for the cover up in the death of JBR. This is the primary reason why a fake crime scene was staged at the Ramsey Residence to hide where the crime happened (Fleet Russell White Sr's home) and the reason why all the focus has been primarily on the Ramseys. What is really being protected is not just Fleet Russell White Sr but Freemasonry itself, which is also known as the Illuminati.
Freemasonry is very deeply involved in this murder but the organization has gone to great trouble to conceal that fact. The Freemasonry infiltrated Boulder Police, Boulder DA, etc. has been fully involved in this cover up. The cover up of the truth exists to this very day.
I read there was a lot of nocturnal bs going on in the close neighborhoods. Break ins etc
Was jonbenet’s body not washed with some kind of gel (antiseptic).
I’ve always suspected Patsy as the author of the ransom ‘novel’. Perhaps she accidentally killed JBR and staged an elaborate scene, and the note was a ruse intended to deceive John. But all the bruising and ropes and the head wound seem way too brutal for someone in the family to have perpetrated.
I’ve heard before that Michael Helgoth owned a stun gun and a pair of hi-tech boots that might’ve matched the boot prints observed in the wine cellar. I’ve also heard he had previously done some work at the Ramsey home so he might’ve cased the property and discovered a way in.
Just a theory, obviously, but what if Helgoth and and possibly an accomplice snuck into the home hours earlier and laid in wait with intentions of kidnapping JonBenet’ for a ransom. Maybe they wrote the ransom note and fashioned the garrote while they waited. And maybe they didn’t intend to kill her with the blow to the head. Maybe it took a little while for them to realize they’d accidentally mortally wounded her. Perhaps the supposed stun gun marks were an attempt to awaken her from her unconscious state. And since she was already killed, they knew their chances of getting a ransom were ultimately foiled, so they hid the body in an obscure part of the house in order to buy time.
Just some thoughts. I doubt we’ll ever really know what actually happened to this precious child. May she rest in peace.
You were right ....
Even i thought the same ...!!
" perfect people". Vanity and wealth . They wrecked the children . All a front.
Many Boulder police also were Hi-Tech boots and Burke I believe said on Dr. Phil he owned a pair. Many don't believe it was a stun gun but Burkes train tracks was a better match.
I feel as a collective group of people .. dumber after seeing how we're evolving and smarter from watching Colimbo as a kid.
I must have missed something--what exactly are you saying happened on Dec 22-23?
im not sure but i know a 911 call was made from the Ramsey household the day or two before JB died Noone spoke but an officer was sent to check it out. There was a party there at the time. Another weird plot twist to the case.
@@Goldi3loxrox TY for adding some sense to this Agatha Chritie-esque plot. Will they ever get a resolution to it? I think that Burke accidentally initiated the crime, with two very rich parents adding incompetence to the mess. I guess that "means" can dictate any ending that you are willing to pay for.
just my opinion.
I don't think Patsy had anything to do with the murder! I don't know about the clues on the stairs.
Cybergenetics in Pittsburgh, PA, using TrueAllele software could sort this out. IF it’s at all possible. TrueAllele eliminates all human bias or interpretation.
The Taser inventor loudly stated the marks are not from a stun gun/Taser. Over 5 million recorded instances of use, none left these marks! (3 million in the field, 2 million in testing. Sorry, but ending with Santa Bill is a joke. Defend the Ramseys and tell us of random people. Most Americans are not logical thinkers. We’ve proven that sadly.
It was her brother Burke he had a history of hurting Jon Benet he struck her with a golf club before this incident and he also smeared her room and her food with his shit..i believe he struck her with a flashlight and possibly strangled her too and the parents had to cover it up with the ridiculous ransom note
That was all false info. It was put in the “star or Natl enquirer” from “inside source” was then reported in other magazines then retracted from original but to late. It was his plastic golf clubs they would fight over. Jonbonet room w across hall and he would run and use bathroom he was 6 and wore pull-ups at night .. he had to poop and couldn’t get those off he dropped the pants and pull up on the hallway bedroom entrance floor and kept running . No he didn’t grab a rag and trash and clean up and put vinegar on the Carpet.. he pry didn’t flush didn’t wash hands stepped over his pull up put on new Pj pants and started play video game. He is 6 .. it’s not his room he is autistic and they have a maid a housecleaner and a cook. So the dog hears the kids up .. dog excited w his wiggle butt he goes up steps in it jumps on jonbonet bed she freaks out screams the dog got his paw on her bed her shoulder and face where the dog was excitedly pawed at her. The dog runs into Brother room. Back in the poo the dog had spread . His door shut so dog scratches at
Door so little streaks of poo on door .. jonbonet freaks touches her face rubs it on wall creeping out pulls off her nightgown throws on floor washes hands cook maid comes in to grab the dog to feed dog the pull up at that point has been kicked out of way by wild young Blk lab.. Jonbonet is crying maid only sees stripes if poo said dog jonb says no birk did it …maid goes to get patsy and sees poop streaks on Birx door and his door shut.., Jon bonnet throws his door open Birk jumps up screams get out of my room … the housekeeping maid came up and said there was Burke poop everywhere and that’s what she told enquirer..2 yr later that story got switched to Burke went helter skelter w poop in his sis room. And gets paid for story
@@Think-dont-believe did you watch his interview when he was 6?did you watch the interview when he was an adult?the fact he hit his sister with a golf club itself is disturbing wether it was a plastic club or not isn't relevant it's the act that's relevant and btw the poop story was corroborated by the maid remember he not only smeared his sisters bedroom with it he even smeared it on her food..this is one sick individual who got away with murder
@@chickenhappy3607 Neither of your meanass posts are true, GTFU. FYI - Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her under the eye, he cried about it for a week.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
@@bethryan9077 he sure didn't cry when she died he sure looked happy playing with his toys
The fact the flashlight couldnt ccause a perfect 8 inch long gash is b.s. same with a baseball bat her head was hit on a corner or a counter or rhe stairs it makes the most sense and that still lines up with accident as her brother/patsy could have been chasing her she slips falls and bam gash and skull fracture or with patsy pushed her and she falls hits her head it wouldnt have talen much if she trips and this also lines up with murder as the killer may have dropped her on the stairs
@dylanwicklund5129, I don't think she would have got that kind of fracture if she hit her head on something. That kind of fracture is more likely caused by a vicious blow to the head.
This is very complex case. If you are really interested in solving the case you have to thoroughly study this like a real detective. Even then you will probably go down one or more rabbit holes like the Boulder police did. So to make a podcast series or a TH-cam series without even knowing 90% of the facts is a bad idea.
Watch the body language panel dudes - they know more than anyone just by analyzing the parent interviews
tbh, i can't watch them anymore. They have been way off on some cases, especially the McCann's. They are very wrong about those two!
They are pro Ramsey & pro McCann. They have to be ; their big careers are at stake.
Voyeurism is involved somehow I think.
None of you know what happened.
@electricaf365, None of us know exactly what happened that night. We are just giving some very good theories about what happened. Some peoples theories are just plain foolish.
I worked in a preschool where one girl put Lego in another students private area. All innocent. Just curious.
Did the authorities do anything right?
no
@danabyrd2377, Sure the BPD made many mistakes and so did the Ramseys. But it does not change the fact of who killed her and covered it up.
Why didn't they sample the Santa's wife handwriting and she is very sketchy and in her book she writes that a woman was the evil one and I just think that this husband and wife should have been investigated more
They all lived in the same house lol all of their DNA is all over everything. It would be absurd if her family's DNA weren't on her. And they had a big party the night before - Jon Benet was the coat check girl and handled every person at the party's coat. Touch or trace DNA of anyone there at the party would have been on her.
What I do know is that SBTC stands for the Santa Barbara Training Center, where John and his bestie Fleet White trained together. I also know that JB was medically shown to have been SA-ed, and Burke had a fecal fascination that's too gross to talk about here. Something incredibly dreadful was going on in that house systematically and for a long time. I also know that very wealthy people have elaborate and strange parties where they play act and dress up - just watch Real Housewives, it's a thing. Maybe the note was part of their playacting, hence it's strangeness. Weirdness to us, inside jokes to them. The mention of John's bonus amount, SBTC, Patsy's penchant for southern ways ... Maybe they were acting out a scenario and Fleet White finally went too far.
This is not a DNA case. The amount of parties and house hopping that was going on all that week is crazy, and no one's going to be able to sort out all that DNA. It's not a DNA case. It's a child abuse case that had been ongoing. If you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein, you know these people use their children to gain a leg up in that world. They are not like us.
Who lives in a eorld of 168 assassins? Everyone but me .they just polluted a way to have a bona-fide list .
So you think a 9 year old can’t fracture a skull with a baseball bat
But the fracture can happen with a 3-4 foot “drop”
Oh
Kay
They or Burke didn't killed her, but they knew who did and why and they had to cover... And they did it perfectly, they were never convicted, or even charged, nothing here is stupid, everything they did was to make you confused. This is too brutal murder for parents or nine year old brother, but they were from the very start deliberately doing stuff that is not helping no one, they were clever people and they knew how it is important to keep crime scene intact, and to cooperate no matter what, so this is the only explanation left. They were involved in some bad stuff...
Yeah, my thoughts are similar. I don’t think the Ramseys did it, but that they know who did & for some reason (I assume money) wanted to protect them. Maybe SBTC is an inside message.
@@beeley If somebody kills your daughter you would have to be mentally insane to protect them. If you killed my German Shepherd I would not protect you. By the way he is big and strong so you would not be able to kill him.
There was no intruder. That ransom note defies logic and was in fact vety close to her handwriting. I understand even her style if writing matched the note.
Opine we will but who are the opinions so knowledgeable ,?
What do you think JonBenet went through? She went through hell!!! Not you Patsy!!!!!
John Ramsey was trying to stir the pot from the beginning, he was very clever.
Irritation and signs of long term abuse are not the same. If there had been NONE (abuse) there would be no question, whatsoever. John and OR Patsy ? Depends on how much of a control freak they were with their kids. We see now days just because it appears to be all hunky dory..not always the case. I had a friend long ago who was in social work..confided in me about a case where an investigation proved, a prominent doctors family not only had incest between them all but included Bowser....Yep....🤮🙃 Can't judge a book by it's cover. Maybe it was all out of anger that ended in violence...then a cover up. The first GIANT red flag is to invite a whole 'party' of people...friends, clergy...to contaminate the scene 🙃😡 What educated person does that ????? Most people would do ANYTHING for their children. Mr. B (brother)...OK. It is known that there are some nine year old girls who menstruate ...what's to say a nine year old boy could be in puberty.
Not to be funny or macabre but myth bustees could solve this one id bet.
I think this is a long term sexual abuse.
The child died.
It is not something you can see from the outside.
How can tou say something like that?!
Burke knows what happened to his sister and he should be forced to tell and he should be forced to take lie detector test
Where's the science? Jonny law can't be that inept .
sure he can. add some $$$ and anyone will say anything
The whole self gratification thing is rediculous.
on the issue of a stun gun:
a stun gun does not incapacitate, it simply inflicts pain.
and it normally wouldn't leave a mark. i can only see this happening if applied for an extended period of time, if at all.
the thing that causes the pain of a stun gun is the way it causes muscles to spasm. this is also what causes cardiac arrest
in some cases where the current passes through the heart.
the power is pulsed though, and i don't think it delivers enough power for long enough for the electricity to actually heat up
the flesh to the point of leaving a mark. in the end it is just a battery operated device. capable of high voltage, but delivering very low amperage.
on the issue of the evidence of abuse with a finger: it is not uncommon for abused children to masturbate, even roughly enough
to cause minor wounds. this comes up in the documentary 'child of rage'.
Bird is the one that strike his sister with that flashlight and hit it with a pineapple cross her head and accidentally kill his sister and he's trying to cover up to the world so he don't go to jail but bird is the one that really killed his sister with that pineapple and that flashlight and really hurt his little sister cover up the crime scene so he don't go to jail and you guys should put bird in jail for killing his little sister he be in jail for that crime that he did
Ask yourself why did John Ramsey start looking in the basement only when he had a police officer go along? He searched the house earlier with a friend Iirc, ? Why not start in the basement the first time?
He was with Fleet White, not a police officer, when he found the body.
@@stevenmcghee6649 thats true, thanks for the correction.
@@Ims51 There are so many loose threads in this case, it's impossible to keep track of everything! For all the work done on this murder and all the publicity, it's extraordinary to think that not only do we not know who committed it but nor do we know when JB died or in what location. It's mind-blowing. Yet somebody knows. Or, at least, knew.
@@stevenmcghee6649 imagine if it is one of those psychopaths who get off on observing people who talk about a crime they did without even being suspected?
@@Ims51 Indeed. Like Ian Huntley. One fact that has stuck in my head - and it really astonishes me - is that there were 38 people living within a 2-mile radius of the Ramsey house who were on the Sex Offenders Register. That blows my tiny mind. What sort of a place was/is Boulder? Normal on the surface but rotten underneath is my conclusion.
SANTA SUIT FOUND IN Ramseys Home
All I can see is that people don't understand this crime. There are 3 very important issues discussed here that might change your perception of the events and why all panned out the way it did:
*Time of death. You need to be a pathologist to tell how long a person can stay alive with this type of head injury. It might turn out for instance that the blow took place at 11.30 pm and the death occurred at 1.00 am.
*A single incident, I mean a blow to the head with a golf club, for example, might equal to an accident, right!? Another go with a flashlight changes the perspective, doesn't it? It might suggest an intent. Am I right?
*John is adamant that the intruder had broken into the house before they returned from the party and waited there until they fell asleep. What's more, he suggests that the intruder had a flashlight. So take his word for granted about the flashlight and that it was one of two murder weapons.
It's a very similar situation to the famous McCanns case. The McCanns have never been interested in the Smiths sighting but believed J. Tanner's seeing the alleged kidnapper of their girl. Why? Because it was at the exact time when Gerry was talking to Mr Jeremy W. which was giving Mr McCann an alibi and was making their story about an abductor credible.
Regards and Semper Fi
Wow 5o kuch
Many motivating factors for Patsy? Pat Brown does say that people have multiple motives.
Bdi parent's covered it up
He d id it once already and got away with it .
Burke has a history established already .
He hit her with a golf club, why not a flash light?
Burke is creepy. That's all I know for sure.
Great podcast, but I think it’s quite naive to think that parents or a sibling couldn’t abuse a family member!
My brother in law deals with child abuse at work and it is 99% family that are the predators. Burke is strong enough to hit jonbenet over the head !
Also saying abuse wasn’t going on for years probably wasn’t parents, it happened only a few days before and on the day of the murder, well… there’s a first time for everything to happen isn’t there. So perhaps it started on the 22/23rd!
We ve finally gone too far .... I can hear them words echo from the Ramsey posse .
Bill Ramsey test him.
Part 1 of 2. Firstly, Karr was talking about young school girls there that he said he was watching & he named one. Then all the sickening dialogue about JB as well til he said he was present when she was murdered. There was quite a complex operation just to Find him in Thailand & then his identity was exposed. He was wanted in the U.S. for child porn charges & so, the arrest.
Next - what you both are saying about the DNA, is Not true. Obviously you watched that TV show that was put together After Lacy announced the exoneration - 'DNA in Doubt'. A Bogus TV show with False information about the DNA, pretending that forensic reports were in hand. None of those BS artists in white coats were involved in Any of the DNA testing. It is a Fact that DNA from one of the perps - under JB's fingernails, mixed with hers & those results were known about within the first 2 weeks of the murder. The cops kept those vital results from the DA for 7 months. There were 2 spots of blood in the underpants that were Never tested. It wasn't til the grand jury was convened, that the Ramsey's lawyers found out about That. Testing was ordered, the results - the blood was JBs. Next DNA testing - unknown male DNA mixed in one spot of blood. As forensics advanced, the DNA of one was developed & Has Been In CODIS since 2003. That same year - the libel case in relation to Wolfe vs Ramsey. Federal Court Judge Carne had the opportunity to go over the evidence that was known about, at that stage. She declared the Ramseys factually Innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. She was particularly scathing at Steve Thomas & Cina Wong - both who said Whatever for $$ & both put out False information. All can read the transcript of Carne's findings online, 93 pages. FYI - Loads of suspects were being Cleared due the DNA & then John Mark Karr also. Lacy ordered more DNA testing in 2007. The results - Matching DNA from one of the perps that included - at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, the long-johns being pulled up/down. Lacy made that announcement due to the mountain of evidence that Showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of - Plus the DNA. The BPD had long before given up on this case but many Renowned private investigators continued & worked tirelessly Unpaid.
Further DNA testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic.
YOUR 'show' is every bit as bad as all the TV shows from the beginning & all the utube 'shows' from the past few years - you're putting out the same old same old False information & the incitement of abject hatred against this Proven Innocent family Continues. The True information about the DNA is Very important in regards to what the general public Think. Lots of newscasts & talk shows for the past 2 years have been getting out the DNA info again, about This case. Only the ever hateful Ramsey bashers, totally Ignore that Scientific evidence.
Linda hadn't received the check for $2000, she was to pick that up when she cleaned the house on the 26th. Linda called Patsy crying & said that her sister had kicked them out of the house due to rent owing. Linda's stories changed with the weather & after the murder, depending on how much she was going to be paid for an interview - one was $20,000 & a trip to Florida. Mervyn, Linda & her daughter were to do some jobs at the house when the Ramseys went away for Thanksgiving. Mervyn was supposed to have fixed that broken window. The 'wine' cellar was just a storage room & the Xmas trees were kept in there. Mervyn & Linda's daughter took the Xmas trees from that room & placed them upstairs. That cement room used to be a coal bin & was the Only room that didn't have a window & so, that room could not be seen from outside. The Barnhills who lived across the road, had a key. At some stage, Betty said she couldn't find the key & Patsy gave her another one. Glenn Meyer was secretly living in their basement apartment. The Barnhills never told John & Patsy that he was there, even though Patsy & the kids were over there often.
Stop all this crap about the 'speculation' of the 3 in that house. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago. Do something called Research, learn about the Actual evidence instead of repeating all the BS from TV shows & magazines.
There is No intruder 'theory', perpetrators being in that home is a Fact. Umm, Steve Thomas had Never worked a murder case before & was an ex-narcotics officer. Lou Smit was one of The best investigators in the country & he Solved over 200 murder cases. He was retired & wasn't brought into the case until months later. The 2 who murdered JB, left town within the first week. They were only staying at the house on the corner, the 4th perp owned/leased that house. No cops went to that house to make enquires at Any stage. Lou didn't know about those two at all. Meyer got out of town also. Steve Thomas was a particularly deceitful sociopath, who hid evidence of an intruder for his Own purposes, he constantly talked about the Book he was going to write.
Deary, All Ramseys were 'officially' Cleared. Jeez. Go find out all that was actually done to this child, maybe Then you'll understand that these parents could Never have done all of That, let alone the 9 year old Kid, who was Never even a suspect.
There was No 'bonk on the head'. Go find the photos of the X-rayed skull. There was an 8" Open fracture, front to back & nearly the length of the skull & then a Hole at the top, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. JB was tortured for Hours & strangled to death when Patsy called 911. The autopsy photos clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails at the front of her neck At the cord, because she was fighting for her life when being strangled. There were abrasions at the base of her neck due to earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device, the cord being tightened loosened tightened. This was a very Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. Both severe fractures to her skull occurred just After her death, 3 weapons were at hand, each one is in evidence. It is a Fact that if Either of those fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't.
Part 2 - You need to understand that the higher-ups within law enforcement, withhold evidence, even from their investigators, as-in, that useless lying scumbag, Steve Thomas. Wecht is just Another a##wipe who said Whatever for Book Sales also & he was Never involved in this case, nor was the FBI. BTW - JB did Not wet the bed that night. The ME's name was John Meyer, he did Not say Any of that At All. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol for Boulder County. The end of the paintbrush was used at JB's genitals, the tip was broken off & never found. Some deviants keep trophies. CBS & the whole group of so-called 'experts' were Sued for all their atrocious BS. James Kolar sat there Gloating because the whole 'show' was formatted to His book of BS, blaming Burke. Both so-called 'scientists, were personally sued for Their deliberate lies. That was Not a rope, it was a white nylon Cord, the ends were frayed. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked JB on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. From the position of the necklace 'caught' at the bottom of the cord, means that one perp held that in place to start with & she was on her back. The dig marks in her neck, also means that JB was on her back when being strangled to death. The gold cross on her necklace, was to the back. Her death occurred on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. I'm not going into the exact positioning as that occurred, if you go over that area, you should be able to work that out. Look closely at the double 'knot' in the cord, that was at the back of her neck. I hadn't got to the end of your video before I started this rebuttal but will leave as-is for other readers. Exactly, shame on CBS & all those who put their faces on TV to carry on with that Rubbish. Burke agreed to do that interview with Dr Phil, for 2 reasons - that CBS doc was due out & he wanted to defend himself & being the 20 year anniversary of the murder of his little sister, he wanted to remind the public that this case was still unsolved. Dr Phil has a great deal to answer for also. He said things about certain events that were Not true, he constantly interrupted Burke & he put that photo of the black steel ball bat on screen, when that was Not Burke's bat. His was a Blue baseball bat that the perps put at the isolated part of the house, in front of the basement bathroom window. Burke was struggling to Remember things & wasn't given the courtesy of time to Think, nor answer fully, that was Very clear. Burke was interviewed That afternoon by detective Patterson when still at the Whites. He wasn't told that JB was found. Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. That interview was recorded. After that Bogus CBS 'show' & the horrendous fall-out of that interview as well, Patterson did Publicly state that Burke knew Nothing & was very worried that his sister was still missing. The video interview 10 days later, was with a police services officer & went on for Hours. The public has seen a few Bits of that interview. His parents Allowed that interview to go ahead. No lawyer was with Burke. The next video interview went on for Hours over 2 days with a detective, Burke was 11, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that to take place. The public has seen a few Bits of that interview. That was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS? Without knowing anything else about this crime, that alone is the Crux of this case.
People say ‘these types of cases’, in relation to children found deceased - there has Never been a case like this one. Putting the note aside - the crime was ultimately murder & the body was found in the home. Predominantly, the statistics about kids who are found murdered are in relation to - junkies, alcoholics, meth heads, mental health illnesses, divorce, paedophiles, the underprivileged, step-fathers & mothers who got a new boyfriend, who didn’t want kids around.
The scene was Not 'very contaminated' At All. Think about the myriad of other crimes when someone comes across a person who's unresponsive - one walks in &/or around, one touches or moves the body &/or clothes to see what's wrong, may turn the body over, may perform CPR & the paramedics & cops do, the Same Thing & the body may be moved To an ambulance. The only 'mess' in the house was the kitchen where the Xmas Day food prep items hadn't been cleared away, the housekeeper was due there on the 26th. This was Not a sexually motivated crime. One of the perps was into bondage & so that complex made device. It was Always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. All involved sure didn't go to so much trouble & take such high risks for nothing, the taking of photos was their back up for money. Nope, the note was Very serious & they did want that quick available Cash. Patsy only read to - 'we have your daughter' & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. What did the note State would happen if the cops were called? People can't Fathom what happened because This crime hasn't been a script for a one hour TV show or a movie. There are many sound reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to think about Why. This plan - JB was Never to be taken from the basement. There was a whole lot of research that went into this planning & the co-conspirators were Neighbours. There is a photo taken with a zoom lens, from the very top of that hill at the trails, one can see all the way down that street & so, to the front of the Ramsey's house. From that place, one could see all around that whole area, all the streets, all the 'comings & goings'. This case Is solved, when the one who was 17 at the time is found, there'll be an announcement. When Henry Lee's mouth is flapping, he's Lying. CeCe Moore has weighed in on this case, she wants the DNA. Does That tell you something? Go find out who Doberson is, as a Renowned forensic pathologist, he has Already said a Long time ago that a stun gun was used, the type has now been Identified, it was an Air Taser. He also stated that there was Zero evidence of any prior sexual abuse. It is now known that was a Hi-Tec Shoe print, Not a boot. There was a different shoe print also in the cellar & the palm print on the back of the cellar door was never identified. That basement was painted about 1 year prior.
Beth I wish you would write a book with real facts about this murder. You have done the research and the world deserves to know the truth instead of listening to these bs shows.
Beth I would really like to read the research you have found on this case. I believe you have found facts that are accurate and these guys don't know what they are talking about.
@@daneengatlin5786 actually Beth Ryan just literally makes things up and claims them to be fact
@@pauly1148 It must be soo terrible for people like You, to Read that some people Know the Truth about this crime And, the Truth about the Case & the Truth about what Actually happened to JB & post those True Facts. As Opposed to all the hate-filled & idiotic garbage that 1000's of people post on all sites. The Same menagerie of people who are Misinformed, Naive, Ignorant, Rude, Aggressive, Abusive, Despicable & downright Stupid. These Same people call names At the Ramseys & accuse them of disgraceful & vile acts against Both Kids, Including this sadistic Murder of their 6 year old Child. Then those who are even Worse & do Same to the 9 year old Kid. You all post your Garbage about this fine upstanding family who were All Proven Innocent a Long time ago. BTW - All have the Right to Defend Them.
BTW - who would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? Only morons believe Patsy Did That! Not everyone are guilty of being an absolute imbecile deary.
Loads of you make up stupid Shite & post about your Baseless ‘observations’ due to your Ignorance, Hateful hearts & then there's all the Envy going on. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent, due to something called Evidence & by a bunch of Actual experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because You Don't Know about that evidence, Does Not Mean that it doesn't exist. The Exoneration was just from evidence that was known about way back at that time. FYI - the investigation Continued. All you brainwashed zombies are running around trying to feel all important, yet don't even have 3 brain cells left to realise that - this case hasn't been to trial, so the Actual Evidence about the case was Not released to the media & So, not on your TV. Loads of unscrupulous people have made loads of Dollars from people like Yourself. Doh.
Like soo many others, You watch TV, pick out what you Choose to believe, then post that on these sites As If fact. At The Same Time, you all Make Up a whole lot of Other Shite & post that As If factual too. Yawn. I do something called Research lovey, isn’t that friggin shocking. LOL. You & your like watch TV & read books of BS & then repeat it all like well trained monkeys.
Go Learn what DNA is for a Start. The DNA that was Collected, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from an Unknown Male, that has been in CODIS since 2003. Which Means, NO Ramsey at all.
What if Burke intended to kill her first time with his handicapp failed and just sat snd waited . Pineapple express set him off again . I know nothing but see a path to understanding logic .
Didn't the pathologist say the skull injury happened later?
Dr. Cyril Wecht has a few interviews on TH-cam, his forensic opinion is the head injury and garroting occurred very close together.
I think Patsy definitely wrote it she seems to be a person who overdid everything