The Shocking Difference Between Racism in Spain and the U.S.
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- Watching the US turn back the hands of time is heartbreaking. It's rather surreal to watch it from abroad.
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@@momshouldve Wow, People needs to share this too.
It is ultra capitalism that also denigrates the same poverty it creates, the problem. I do not think Michael Jordan would suffer racism as any Marijuana dealer.
And those black Christian churches, that were protestors long time ago, that do not promote cooperative "black business" or even better "non-racist developing neighborhoods' business" such as banks, altcoins, energy, water, telecommunications, health, all those "racist == ultra capitalist business" that would improve their brothers lives.
That's really scary honestly. And I also fail to see what they want to get to.
Ah nice, I saw this a couple days ago. I know a few people that are still making excuses and this video really does help put the 'hand getures' into perspective.
I agree. I'm from the UK and been to Spain a lot. While racism no doubt exists in Spain and in the Spanish speaking world, the racism is NOTHING compared to the racism that exists in the US. I'm not excusing Spanish racism and saying its not disgusting, but whenever Americans try and argue that Spain is incredibly racist i can't help but think "look in your own backyard"
Yeah I have never ever been treated with nothing but kindness by Spanish restaurant staff regardless of who I've been with.
However in SF the white server thought I was doing an dine and run. She was then shocked to find I was in a mixed ethnic group of Brits. She was speechless when my white friend loudly told her off about her racist behaviour and threw money at her to pay our bill again.
And ironically, the racism that exist in the United States is NOTHING compared to the racism that exist in the UK, especially England -- a European country. The United States is definitely more violent, for sure. It's also more vocal, but it i by no means more racist.
I think the difference is that the United States does not pretend to be racism, free or antiracist , while Europe, and that includes Spain, pretends to be not only racism-free, but anti-racist. And yet, no European nation has anything akin to the inclusion of racial diversity in its publicly elected leadership. And it's not because the diversity isn't there. After all, most US immigrants until the last 40 years were mostly Europeans.
En España, en Reino Unido, en USA y en general en todo el mundo, lo promueve la ignorancia y la extrema derecha.
You can have racism in your country, and still be officially and mostly anti-racist, both aren't exclusive. Although, sadly, in Spain there is still racism, the community and the law don't allow nor promote it.
It's kinda hard to get totally rid of ignorance and violence, and as a Spaniard, I'm the first to acknowledge there are racists and fascists in the country, particularly among soccer fans, which is a very vocal and visible community (if not the most well-educated one).
That said, I wouldn't say racism is a very relevant problem in the country, it's the exception rather than the norm, and certainly not something supported by any political party, even the most right wing parties wouldn't dare to support it in public (although I guess some do in private)
You NAILED the "Spain is more about classism" thing. Pleasantly refreshed to see a correct American take on our social problems.
It looks like many agree
Agree. I lived in Spain three years. 😊 Fortunately, I had a positive experience. I saw it for what it was because my maternal grandparents came from British WI so I always knew about classism.
I'd say there's a strong part of hidden classism in the US, masquerading as racism because classism is pretty much unspoken in English (it's too close to communism, the horror).
The USA has successfully convinced themselves that a white poor blue-collar worker from the appalachians is closer to Elon musk than to a black poor blue-collar worker from detroit. It's impressive, in a way, but also dreadful.
Very interesting video! As a spaniard myself it's very enriching and teaching to hear your experiences. While I agree that classism plays a role, it's very much applied to racialized communities mostly, and especially african-descent. In my experience, latin americans also experience racism, but mostly through a paternalistic, colonialist view (we have to teach you), while black, arabic (and muslim people in general) receive a more "you're barbaric" take, accusing them of raping, stealing etc. in right-wing media and social media outlets. So of course, while this is applied to migrant communities, who are usually poorer that the average citizen, each group receives their share based on already existing racist bias and culture.
I'm from argentina and we inherent that clasist angle. But sadly we were racilazing social class which is even more horrible.
Well said. As an Irish immigrant to the USA (here 25 years now), I didn't grow up within the American system, so I had to unravel what I was seeing with my own eyes while being told by broader society that it isn't true. Racism here, like all the social ills Americans won't confront (inequality, violence, healthcare, lack of true democracy) has soured me on the USA. Europe isn't perfect, but at least it's trying.
I'm also an Irish (NI) immigrant to the USA and a white woman married to an african american man. Its abhorrent. I fear being stopped whilst driving together at night and hear the casual nature of the inherent racism of people around me. Belfast hasn't traditionally had a population of black or brown people but at least until I moved here to USA, most people were accepting and welcoming. I've been here almost 15 years so it may well have changed, but a black friend I had back then said he felt more welcome in Ireland than anywhere else he'd been. I so hope that that may still be true. As a white person, I suggest you get your butt to somewhere where you are a minority. See how that feels, it won't ever even be anywhere close, but just feel that sensation of being obviously not the majority. Ruminate in it and then reconsider how we treat people who aren't white males.
@amandamaxwell3079 I lived in London in the very early nineties, as a young kid from Republic of Ireland village, it's closest I've got to what you describe. I really don't know that a socially healthy person of any race or creed should need to minoritize oneself in order to empathize with minorities, it's not that hard.
German here in the same situation as you are. 25+ years ago, when I came here I believed things were just moving slower. Today I see us moving backwards.
@@amandamaxwell3079
Would you agree with my assessment of those cultures, which themselves still remember having been discriminated against or oppressed, that they have better ability to be emphatically motivated to resist being oppressive themselves.
They have their own history, which has helped their values to become less hostile to what they might experiment as others, somehow different
Northern Ireland however seems to be an extremely dividend place, but their history might explain that madness too.
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I have the same observation even as someone who has only visited the USA frequently and never lived there permanently.
I knew several people who moved there to the Bay Area, CA, as part of their technology careers. They stayed there for many years, but once they had children and started to think about the environment more as parents, most of them moved back.
As a Spanish black woman, I totally agree with you. I also think the problem is more xenophobia as well, speaking spanish like a "spaniard" (no latin american accents) or (specially) the local language from the region (catalan, euskera, gallego...) will automatically change how most people perceive you. We also can't forget Spain was under a dictatorship until 1975, so it was very closed to the world and the demographic has diversified a lot. Most people see it as a good thing and some people don't, like everywhere. Although VERY IMPORTANT to add there's definetely a lot prejudice and rac*sm towards north africans and africans.
I mean, look at our history and you would understand why we have some problems with the Islamic countries specifically. Spain is pretty much the only Crusader Kingdom that won, and the conflict with Islamic powers has been a constant to this day.
On the other hand if the North African comes from Ceuta or Melilla you will see no xenophobia, despite them being Muslim as well.
Totally true, and you like the lady in the video got it perfectly, perhaps because your vision is from an outsider. Many Spanish people consider themselves not to be racists, but you can look at the very first answer to this comment from you and it's from a Spaniard trying to unashamedly justify his own racism towards North African people with historical reasons, bla, bla. Yes. it's different for many reasons, but racism in Spain exists and we aren't even really concious about it.
@ i mean ceuta and melilla are Spain. I think it has to do more with maga like sentiments growing in the country.
@@sildurmank my vision is not from an outsider. I am a Spanish person.
@@adarajackson3926 You're right, those are your very first words in your comment and I totally forgot them while writing, so I apologize for that. Still, in my experience (Spanish too) you got it quite a lot better than the average Spanish population. That kind of introspection is a tough one, and not practised by many people around here.
In my opinion, racism and classism are present in all countries of the world, but in slave countries racism is stronger because it has contaminated political action. People forget that the Nuremberg Laws of Nazi Germany against Jews were based on the racial segregation laws of the United States. In Spain, for historical reasons, there has never been institutional racism against people of color, it was almost non-existent, in the 60s and 70s a person of color was something exotic, we children just stared at them. Social racism in Spain has always been directed against the gypsy minority and today it is still very present. However, I would not consider Spain a racist country, although of course there are racist people and attitudes, Spain is more classist than racist. As a Spaniard who has been to the United States as a tourist a couple of times, I am struck by the obsession in the United States not only with race, but even with the origin of people. In all of Europe, and I believe in most countries of the world, it is forbidden to classify the population ethnically, except in the United States, where pseudoscientific terms are used for this purpose, such as the concept of race itself, that of Caucasian, which is a 19th century invention with no scientific value and which is based on the error that the white "race" was born in the Caucasus. The Hispanic race is another error, because if the Spanish race did not exist, we could hardly have exported our race, we have exported our culture and our language. Another term that is also used in the United States is that of "Latin race", which is confusing the roots of a language with the race of those who speak it. There never existed, not even in the times of the Roman Empire, a Latin race.
Por dios... España mantuvo la esclavitud en Cuba hasta el 98. Que las grandes familias españolas no tuvieran las plantaciones de café, tabaco, algodón y azúcar en territorio peninsular no significa que no tuvieran esclavos. La aristocracia del centro y del sur y la burguesía catalana hicieron sus fortunas primero con el tráfico y luego con la explotación de los negros.
Si relees a Cervantes y a Quevedo, verás que aquí y allá aparecen negros en sus obras, siempre como parte de lo más bajo de la sociedad.
Sevilla fue un lugar clave en el tráfico negrero.
Y respecto al día de hoy...en este país la tercera fuerza política es quien es y todos sabemos lo que defienden y quienes los apoyan.
@@Roque-Cachamuiña-gs1wd la obsesión por el origen étnico en cualquier formulario también está presente en el Reino Unido.
@carlosgaramendi No es cierto, en el Reino Unido está totalmente prohibido clasificar a la gente por su raza u origen etnico. En ningún formulario del Reino Unido figure un apartado dedicado a la raza, otra cosa es que se te pida tu nacionalidad, lo cual entra dentro de lo lógico o tu país de origen. No se de donde te has sacado esa información, pero ni antes de la entrada de España en el Mercado Común ni ahora después del Brexit, se me ha clasificado racial ni etnicamente.
@@Roque-Cachamuiña-gs1wd In England and Wales, there is an agreed list of ethnic groups you can use when asking for someone’s ethnicity. The groups are usually those used in the Census,
Asian or Asian British
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background
Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background
Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background
White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background
Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic group
@Roque-Cachamuiña-gs1wd Ehh señor, lo siento, pero eso es mentira. Yo tuve que rellenar varios censos en el Reino Unido donde preguntaban por mi grupo étnico, para alquilar una casa, para trabajar, para ir a la universidad, en el censo...en todos tuve que decir que soy "white-other" (el otro white era un desglose entre los grupos étnicos británicos)
I am a Brit in Spain. My parents lived through WWII. I lost two uncles in that conflict. My parents told me what they went through. When myself and my husband saw that man do that "salute" we both were shocked. It was clear as day. It doesn't matter how they try to excuse it. It was that salute. My father who was born in 1920 never understood racism. Why would you treat people differently because of the colour of their skin? Everything you have said in your video is so true. Racism is is systemic. We now face under the Orange One a horrendous return to the 1930s that our parents and grandparents fought to stop. We must stand up. We must stop this. Or else we have learnt nothing from history and all those people died in vain
There was a rifle in the attic in my childhood home, a couple of meters from my bed. It had been there since an evening during the Nazi occupation. My father's oldest brother had come and handed it to him and then fled. I only heard my uncle talk about his participation in the resistance once, which happened to be the last time I spoke with him some months before he died in 1975. The other former freedom fighters that I grew up among, were equally humble. They gave me a wonderful heritage.
La humanidad nunca aprende de su pasado. Los ciudadanos debemos levantarnos y luchar ante el auge de la extrema derecha.
I'm shocked at the amount of people giving Elon a pass for this.
Mainstream outlets giving him a benefit of the doubt... It really feels everyone's starting to bend the knee out of fear
It’s scary
@@momshouldve It's a sort of societal muscle memory; it will take the active input of energy to overcome that inertia. And Musk lacks the insight...
Bibi gave him a pass.
The media has done and continues to do exactly the same thing with Trump - they keep gaslighting *everyone.*
I don't believe it's driven by fear. I think hatred exists within everyone, but most people know how to control it. Others, however, are willing to embrace it if it benefits them financially.
I'm so glad you posted this. As a white guy from a very white northern state, I had to learn about racism more indirectly. I'm grateful for parents who gave me an excellent example by how they treated everyone, and I'm even more grateful for the black friends and mentors who patiently educated me over the course of my military and corporate careers. I was stunned, embarrassed, ashamed and heartbroken to hear their stories over the years. You hit directly on a lot of those examples. I don't know what we're in for, but I'm nervous for all of us. You're 100% correct; racism hurts everyone. Thank you for this post.
@@Festus171 if you are from Northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or even the UK, I agree racism is not seen the same way. I even find them more tolerant, but I disagree about southern Europe being less racist than the USA. Actually, the more south you go, the more ignorant people are. I don't know it's just something that I observed. Racism mixed with self hate.
Excellent description! Here in the Durham area of North Carolina, there was a thriving Black community. Durham had its own Black Wall Street, with Business Schools, Black-owned banks. Then, the urban planners decided to run Highway 147 right through the middle of that community, effectively razing to the ground the Black-owned homes and community gathering places, and pricing them out of the market to buy another home. This was purposeful and planned, just like you described, all over the country. It was "non-violent," so most people don't even know it happened.
@KristopiaArt similar situation in Minnesota/Twin Cities with the Rondo neighborhood. Totally decimated an entire, thriving, community.
@@rowanforrester3423 It happened all over the US. Some former thriving Black communities were put fully underwater to make big lakes for entertainment purposes (though they were commissioned as needed reservoirs in case of drought). Indigenous communities suffered similar fates.
There are so many stories that have never made it to the history books.
They hide the truth of land grabbing racism behind eminent domain bull 💩. It's foul and vile
@KristopiaArt
The fact that it happened all over the US, and it’s *still* affecting communities to this day is so sad. I moved to LA county 4 years ago, and I have yet to walk two blocks north from my house because a 6 lane “highway” runs through my neighborhood some block away. Segregation by design, indeed.
I didn't find racism in the US invisible at all... or maybe I should say "inaudible".
"Is he bothering you?" - a cop in Philadelphia, re. my black coworker that I was going to lunch with.
Another black coworker drove me to work a few times when we had to go out of town. If he drove, we got stopped every time a cop saw us. If I drove, no stops. "Driving while black" is absolutely real.
"Passports... oh, you're American, go on" - a US Marshall near Laredo. My redheaded friend was (is) American, I'm not. We didn't let the cop go until he had seen my passport and visa.
"The other line, ma'am, you go to the other line" - people organizing lines of incoming people in several airports.
"But you're not white!" - people who'd heard me speak Spanish.
And thanks for your point of view. I try to avoid any kind of xenophobia but I realize that I do treat people differently depending on looks. Like many Spaniards who grew up when this country was "in black and white", I find it hilarious and a very nice thing that nowadays you can't assume someone is a foreigner based on looks; sadly there's always someone who differs. My aunt sincerely believes that she shouldn't have been born, because she's a separatist and her grandparents were from other regions... (yes, she does have official psychiatric diagnostics; several of them).
As a spaniard I partially agree, the majority of hatred against foreigners is rooted in classism. However, in the last ten-twelve years, the rise of Trump-like far-right movements has raised lots of ethnic-based hatred, not just from neo nazi movements, but from the average people who could be your neighbor.
@@charlymacias5369 it's rising everywhere in Europe. In Portugal we have the same issue. These right wing parties are being financed by US interests. We had a news report on it and the people behind it were in plain sight, however the party still rised in vote number, because people will hear only what they want to, like in this US election. It's easy to blame people that are different from you (immigrants and ethnic groups) for your problems instead of looking at social inequality.
Racism exists here and it can't be turned a blind eye to, but classicism is a lot more problematic.
@@mtclauraamaral2201That's wild, exactly the same thing going on in Germany only it's the Kremlin pulling the strings.
Se nos está quedando bonico el mundo..
@@TheDotBot Deutsche Rechte wurden und werden auch stark von Amerikanern aktiv unterstützt. Rechtes Gedankengut hat es die ganze Zeit über in Deutschland gegeben. Die Deutschen sind nicht erst fremdenfeindlich geworden, weil Putin ihnen gesagt hat Fremde zu hassen. Hier hat man lange die Erfahrungen von Ausländern geleugnet und hat lange so getan als gäbe es keinen Rassismus in D, bis es nicht mehr zu leugnen war.
@@mtclauraamaral2201 I would not be surprised to hear similar stories here in Italy.
As a Galician, I knew most of the things you called out, but I wasn't aware of the restaurant workers issues origin. That's new to me, although it doesn't surprise me.
I would also like to be more optimistic about racism in Spain. It is true that we don't have crazy things like race statistics like the US that only work to keep racial stereotypes alive (this neighbourhood has more crime so we increase police pressence, so more crime is found there etc) but we still have too many "cuñaos" who will say "yo no soy racista, soy ordenado" when they feel comfortable around you. And then they will vote for the fascist party even though they have their token rich black guy for plausible deniability (check Ignacio Garriga).
Spain is not a racist country (for the most part). It is quite classist as you said, though. At one moment they will ask to kick the moros out of the country and later that day they will kiss the feet of that Arab sheikh parking their yatch here. Bootlickers.
I think you said in your previous videos that your husband is from Asturias, and as they say "gallegos y asturianos, primos hermanos". I will extend that to you as well. And I empathise with you about the recent events in your home country.
Money is always the problem. People lack values that are not attached to it.
es que ese cuñado si dice eso no sería racista si no xenófobo. Creo que se confunden los términos demasiado a menudo. Realmente se hace un flaco favor a la mejora tanto del racismo o la xenofobia si no se ve el problema que implica que por ejemplo las fronteras no se respeten. No hay sociedad o civilización que sobreviva sin conflicto a la llegada masiva de grupos humanos a un lugar sin ningún control donde los servicios o la estructura económica no puede absorberlos. Es algo que ocurre desde la prehistoria. Creo que sería bueno no invalidar lo que dice el otro simplemente llamándolo cuñao.
Por lo demás me resulta curioso que se llame a la sociedad española como clasista cuando no solemos preguntar a la gente a qué se dedica (lo cuál implicaría realmente saber a través de su profesión cuál es su clase social) a diferencia de los Estados Unidos donde es la segunda pregunta después de preguntar por el nombre. Eso sin contar con que aquí en la comida de Empresa se sienta el administrativo al lado del Director general. Busca eso mismo en cualquier otro lado.
@ Americans spend a LOT of time work. A LOT. Cave paintings are about hunting, not diagrams teaching people to cha cha cha
@@r.j4449 la solución para evitar los conflictos que dices no es cerrar fronteras, ya que la immigración de gente desde un sitio peor a uno mejor es inevitable, sino que se debe adaptar los servicios y la estructura económica que mencionas para absorverlos y que se adapten normalmente
@marcpegueroles6769 eso es una utopía. Ellos se adaptan e integran si quieren. Tú no los integras. Y por eso precisamente hay tantos conflictos ahora en muchos países. Sobre todo del norte de Europa. Quién venga, de forma regulada.
I'd also argue that in the US, homophobia exists under the same terms and gaslighting as you describe racism.
They’re all connected
Spain is classist? Much less so than the US, asking someone how much do you make or what do you do for a living is considered rude here. We don´t measure the worth of someone by monetary worth. "Mr. X is worth Y dollars" is an alien expression without even an equivalent in spanish.
That might be true, but maybe what actually happens is that classism is a bit stronger than racism in Spain, while in the US racism is stronger than classism but way stronger than the Spanish classism. Or maybe not.
It's also stronger in the south than the North, because of complex reasons that came from the reconquista and aggravated during industrialization
Lol we even discriminate our own country people. Non catalunyans against catlunyans, most spanish versus gitanos, basque separatism. There is a lot of joking about “the others”.
@ That´s not classism though.
@@loloflores123 you know if we collectively used the word “discrimination” we would understand each other much easier. We are talking about discrimination, racism is just a section of that.
Technically, it is also in our history books. By not only excluding Black historical figures, but also erasing history. For example, in California, middle school and high school history books ignore Selma, Tulsa, etc. Also, in elementary school in the late 80s/ early 90s, while Native American-based but still relevant, I learned all about the Trail of Tears and the torture done to the Native Peoples by the missions in California (such as cutting off their hands for worshiping their own gods or, heck, sometimes, growing their own food). However, as a teacher's aide, I learned the hard way that the 4th-grade history books have ONLY one tiny paragraph about Native Americans saying that they moved West to make room for the colonies. In 5th-grade, there's an assignment that to answer it correctly a student has to say that the JOB of Native Americans was to teach the colonists. History is actively being erased from our history books, and being not just White-Washed despite already being White-Coded, but dipped in White paint and covered in a white sheet.
In Spain the civil war isn't taught in highschools. We have many youngsters who think the dictator was a cool guy.😢
Thats not true. Its taught in the ESO.
Its just that we have so many names and numbers that people just memorise for the test, and forget about it.
I remember classes when i spend all the fukin hour writing, and only at home i started to make sense of what was told at the classroom.
@@Lyrielonwindthat's simply not true. It is taught.
Young people think he was a cool guy because EVERY politician we have rn is corrupt, a moron or both.
Whereas he did something, not going into the topic of what good and bad he did, the thing is that he did SOMETHING.
The ones we have right now are ALL useless and do nothing even during national emergencies.
They only know how to fight like children in a playground and raise their own salary.
thank you so much for speaking about this. i’m a black american looking to move abroad, and this isn’t talked about at all. i hope you continue to discuss this topic more!
It's my hope as well. I write film and edit same day to that the conversation is current. See you soon
the beauty of that is, if you move abroad, you don't have to discuss it at all. then you get to discuss the racism in your new country.
Thank you for a very important video. I am a business owner in America and experience in your face racism frequently. I can tell you many stories about banks and their practices against minority companies. I will not reply to this post in full because my stories are just too depressing. I would like you to know that there is a dark cloud hanging over America. If you want to know what racism looks like in practice, just look at the last election. Best wishes.
All the best to you
This should be a Ted-Talk. What an amazingly insightful and brutally honest video. Your eloquence and rational observations are very thought provoking and soul-searching. Thank you for creating such meaningful work.
Racial inequity has cost the US economy (the people) $16 trillion dollars over the last 20 years … instead those $16 trillion dollars ended up in the pockets of multimillionaires and billionaires.
..Which has always been the main goal.
You should watch this Spanish tv program were they had actors, for example in a bar, the bar owner acted like a racist, while the black actor pretending to be an illegal immigrant was trying to use the service. While the customers were real customers and the goal was to see their reaction to the racist acts. There was always someone standing up to defend the black immigrant and fight the bar owner. It's called Gente Maravillosa.
Sounds like a spin off of John Quinones What Would You Do series in the US.
There's tons of stuff like that in the US too
Thank you for the history lesson. A number of Americans are waking up to this new world.
We are
I highly doubt it. It’s pervasive throughout American culture. The fact that America favoured trump, knowing his past, his ideology and racism, over a better qualified person screams the ingrained thoughts of “back to the good ‘ol’ days” which, MAGA stands for … which is racism all over again.
I find it curious that Spanish society is called classist when we don't usually ask people what they do for a living (which would really imply knowing through their profession what their social class is) unlike in the United States where it is the second question after asking for their name. That's not to mention that here at the company lunch the administrative person sits next to the CEO. Look for the same anywhere else. The Spanish already promoted intermarriage of mixed race in the 15th century when in the US it was not allowed until 1967. So...Spain has its faults like any other country, but let's put things in context. Spain is a country through which many cultures and civilizations have passed over the centuries and it shows.
Indeed, true.
ARISTOCRATS DO NOT WORK, SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY BE ASKING ABOUT WHAT WORK ONE DOES TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THEMSELVES???? If they are considered high society; the pinnacle of class and good grace, the rest of society follows suit, but so many social norms are not logical or based on things that don't serve the masses. NOT Talking about money is also rich people/aristocratic gaslighting. Truly one man's trash is another man's treasure. Please let's not pretend that Spain didn't try to effectively colonize the entire southern hemisphere, having no less culturally, ecological and spiritually catastrophic influence than any other super power! Many of it's former subjects aren't even aware that Spain isn't even shadow of it's former glory. Ironically, legions of young to middle-aged, highly educated Spaniards have packed up their advanced degrees, goods looks and socio-political influence to leverage those assets for opportunities north, east, south and west.
@@roxyjackson4204 Your comment is so absurdly biased and prejudiced that I'm not going to waste even a minute of my time responding to you deeply.
But I will give you only one argument among the many I could give you: The main negative influence of the countries that were formed after independence from Spain you have just above, in the United States. That systematically dynamited any hint of progress and stability by provoking coups d'états.
Taste a little objectivity that will not hurt. Maybe there is your treasure.
@ Bravo!
Usually class is more expressed through the way people dress, talk and behave, no need to ask for profession. Would you say that the Franco times (a fascist, remember) have absolutely no impact anymore?
I think we are racist. We are not racist with the black people or asian people, but with gipsies and arabs we are very racist. It is easy to find people talking sh*it about this people, even politics. We should be better and we must be better. Sorry for my english.
Your English needs no apology. You communicated clearly and concisely and I can find only one error. The quality of your written English is more than acceptable.
I was wondering about this. I've heard Spanish people say really horrible things about gypsies. I heard Mexicans have uncomfortable experiences in Spain. Although I'm not sure how common that is.
@@adrianalvarez8796 Yo soy vasco y el único racismo que he visto es entre vascos y españoles, ambos dos. Vivo con gitanos desde hace años y ningún problema. De todas formas en España no hay obsesión por la raza y los tonos de piel (para nada) como si lo hay en EEUU y su clasificación por colores (que es una vergüenza).
El racismo se termina viajando.
@@barbarellovigardo3501 a ver eso de racismo entre vascos y españoles.... pa empezar ninguna de esas identidades es una raza, es una nacionalidad. Y luego en españa si hay mucho racismo. No tenemos los mismos problemas que USA (como en tantas otras cosas como armas,sanidad,seguridad...) pero aquí tenemos una historia diferente. Sobretodo hay mucha ignorancia y prejuicios.
@adarajackson3926 A ver, yo me crié en un pueblo donde ETA tenía mucho poder. La última jefe de armas de ETA es de mí pueblo y el jefe de ETA a menos de 2 kilómetros. Es el ambiente totalmente tenso en el que viviamos. Desde la disolución de ETA eso ha cambiado radical pero hay un rescoldo de racismo entre algunos que se consideran vascos (yo soy vasco y euskaldun y no tengo ese problema) y otros que odian lo vasco y van de españoles de pro. Es posible que no se entienda si no se ha vivido semejante realidad.
Un saludo. Agur.
Excellent presentation. Thank you for your thoughtful analysis 🙂
My pleasure!
me resulta curioso que se llame a la sociedad española como clasista cuando no solemos preguntar a la gente a qué se dedica (lo cuál implicaría realmente saber a través de su profesión cuál es su clase social) a diferencia de los Estados Unidos donde es la segunda pregunta después de preguntar por el nombre.
I´m a white female from Cleveland, Ohio who has lived in Spain for nearly forty years and have seen the changes due to immigration here. What I notice when I talk to people of other races in Spain, we simply talk to one another but in the States there´s a tension that exists when blacks and whites interact where I feel as though we´re almost proud to be conversing as "equals" and so civilized. I don´t know if I´m expressing myself clearly but it seems as though that "elephant in the room" is always there in America. As for the classist thing, it´s true that the term "imigrante" only applies to people from poor countries. It doesn´t appy to American blacks.
You are wrong. We call "inmigrant" everyone who comes to live, work, study or invest in Spain. It's just white US nationals, Brits and some EU nationals who insist in calling themselves "expats". But we don't really care and keep on calling them Inmigrants because they have moved in, unlike emigrants, those people who have moved out. There's nothing derogative in the word.
As an influence of the US media they are trying to force on us the term "migrants" which nobody really uses in the streets.
In Spain we have a different culture, different problems with differernt experiences and may be Anglos should leave their prejudices at home.
I think that's great. My experience is that many, many white people HATE seeing African-American's travel and enjoy themselves abroad --freely staying in luxury hotels, speaking languages fluently and not given a hoot about them. I think that given the history of colonialism, I think it's really, really, difficult for Europeans ---most people of European decent is especially from economic powerhouses, like the US and Western Europe. Maybe it takes 40 years of being outside of the US...
Wow, a fantastic explanation. As a European it is so hard to get ones head around the way insidious racism works in the US.
It’s hard for most to grasp
Apply in France for a job with an arabic name. Apply in Germany for a job with a turkisch name. I'm sure you might experience racism.
@@momshouldve I think for the most part outside of USA is hard to understand it. I mean I never thought one rule drop was a thing or southern european were discrimated against despite being europeans themselves or mixed race folks were forced to choose rigid racial categories.
I love everything you post. 💕💕💕
You’re so sweet🤍
Thank you for your comments. You’re lucky to be out of the States.
I have to say that I love your voice. I know it's completely offtopic, but it's so amusing to me as a spaniard to hear such a clear and well toned voice. Racism and colourism are poisons and we all must fight together against it.
Hello Keena. White Spanish here, born and raised, going back through several generations to at least the XVIII century. I can't speak for racism from the racialized person's perspective, but I can speak from the people doing the racialization.
I come from a rural background. My father's family is little bourgeoisie, and as far as I went up that line of the family tree they always were, but my mother's side has always been farmers and peasants. We're so deeply rooted in the land where I live that our 'clan' has close to 300 members, all descendants of the same woman from the 1800s. Racism isn't so much replaced by classism here as much as hidden by it. An example. When I was a teen, I became friends with a black boy. He was of mixed race, with his father being a white native and his mother being a black Brazilian immigrant, but if you look at him you see a black guy through and through. I was living with my grandparents at the time, and I invited him over to play videogames. My grandpa asked from outside the room who was I with, and I told him. When he realized he was the village's black boy, he called me out of the room and hissed in the lowest loud voice he could muster that how could I have brought that boy into his house, and how could I leave him out of my sight, as through that I was inviting him to steal my games or something of value of theirs. My grandfather did have a problem with the weath of his family, admittedly humble and lesser than his, but his main problem was with his ethnicity, despite the boy speaking our language (Galician) and being both a native, son of a native and fully integrated into our culture, certainly much more than so many white natives. Say now that his family was loaded. Would he have reacted the same way? Probably not, but he would still dislike him for the color of his skin. I did get the same scolding for bringing other poor kids to his house, but nowhere near the same level of vitriol and rage he had at having a black kid under his roof.
Spain is full of racists. But, as it happens with homophobia, disabilities and other things bigots attach to in order to hate someone, you can get away with it all as long as you're rich. It's not so much that people don't notice your race and focus on your wealth, it's more that your wealth may make them ignore everything else they hate about you. If a mixed black and Asian homosexual trans woman rolled up to my grandfather's house in a wheelchair, he would roll out the red carpet for her if she was a billionaire, or take out his shotgun to scare her away if her relative wealth was lesser than his. And in this scenario he's a stand in for most of Spain's bigots
Pero tú no lo eres, ¿no?
El qué, racista? No, claro que no
The US desperately WANTS race to be a clear and immutable indication of a person's worth and it actively works toward that end in all the ways outlined in this video. It's a very dark time right now.
And that ideology is a European import.
@roxyjackson4204 Sure, it just happens to be absolutely not present in Europe while it is the main pillar of American society, to ths point the Germans copied it and tuned it down in the 1930's.
@ Simply put, Europe in totality has contributed to the global system of racism against Africans and other dark-skinned people through the transatlantic slave trade, colonial exploitation, pseudoscientific racial hierarchies, and the suppression of African cultures. These actions helped entrench global racial inequalities and racist ideologies that persist to this day.. Also, let's be clear, that throughout Europes imperialistic glory days, many were migrating TO the USA, so from North to South and East to West, EUROPEANS were migragting to USA to commit, perpetuate and move forward these racial agendas under the guise of expanding the megachurch franchise or something else. It's peculiar that noone talks about Germany's Namibian extermination campaign of Herero and Nama extermination wiping out 80% of that population, which predates WWI. The ideology, culture and execution of concentration camps are a British invention they perfected in South Africa. . Meticulous color casting by shade was a Portuguese and Spanish creation wontonly mandated in their conquests. The Dutch? Africaans is a LANGUAGE for goodness sake!
@@roxyjackson4204 scientific racism was created on the USA by the eugenicist Madison Grant (good friend of Roosevelt) so...
Long time ago I spent a summer in the USA. Racism is not evident. Is like a smell in the air. If you have change from city to city, you will notice that diferent cities has diferent smells. But if you don´t leave from your city, you will not notice your own smell. Nobody notice the smell in the air. But when a foreigner arrives, he will realise it. I had no more reflectios on it. I was very young. But whit the time I´ve learned that this is a true for everybody. Some times is very difficult for me to realise what evil smell is sorrounding my own town. It needs an effort to get the truth.
My hope is that this video will help people understand this
As to the Spain/US comparison, I find it useful to distinguish racism -- the systemic nationwide creation of socioeconomic barriers -- from individual acts of bigotry. Internally I even use those two words to remind me of the distinction. I think in Spain what one encounters is occasional bigotry. Europeans tend to be more open about their personal bigotry than Americans, but after all, who of us isn't a bigot in some way -- judging strangers we see in public using assumptions and inferences we draw based on their manner of dress, or behavior, or even their body weight.
As to racism, there is a nexus of vectors that created the state of apartheid that characterized the US during the second half of the 20th Century. It was this system of apartheid that created the profound wealth gap that persists today.
Keep in mind that around WWII was a giant demographic shift where more than half of Americans began residing in urban areas as opposed to rural areas (rural was the majority of the US leading up to WWII). As soldiers returned from WWII, the nation had to figure out what they would do. Our industrial capacity was running at full steam, while the rest of the modern world had been bombed to smithereens. The express economic policy was to promote and subsidize industrial production as the engine that would power the US out of the Great Depression that was in place leading up to the US entry into WWII.
This was done in a package of ways, all funded in some way by tax dollars. Subsidizing industry by direct subsidies (especially to petroleum), favorable tax treatment, the creation of tax deductions (such as health insurance), etc. To create housing for these young men in their new factory jobs, the suburban model of housing development was promoted. And subsidized. The GI Bill provided cash subsidies, and the newly created Federal Home Mortgage Association (FMHA) deployed the then-unheard-of "30-year fixed", a low-interest fixed-rate mortgage loan, and creating an income tax deduction for the interest. Further, tax funds were used to construct the roads that connected suburbs to city industrial sectors (as you note, often punching them through black neighborhoods), other infrastructure such as gas, electricity, water, and sewer, etc.
The roads also subsidized the auto industry, which built the cars used to drive from suburbs to work (in many cases work at an auto plant). Every other mode of transit (air, rail, barge) must create its own infrastructure via the fees charged for their operation.
All of these subsidies, together with the easy profits that existed due to the lack of competition on a global scale (because of the destruction of the war), enabled the rapid expansion of the blue collar middle class. The US was functionally a socialist nation from about 1935 to about 1980. For white Americans.
Virtually none of these benefits was made available to black Americans, who were steered or shunted to crowded urban ghettos where they were unable to buy homes due to redlining. Keep in mind that black workers were paying taxes at the same rate as everybody else. Further, the non-dense development of the suburbs means that, as an organic matter, the tax base (property tax) is not sufficient to pay for the operation and maintenance of all of the infrastructure needed to service them. The delta comes from taxes paid in the urban core. Black Americans subsidizing the white suburbs. In other words, black Americans were paying more than their fair share of taxes as a function of the amenities of life available to them.
The nascent suburbs were created using racial covenants. After those were made illegal, they were kept white by racial steering, redlining, and outright racism. The movie "Suburbicon" dramatizes this somewhat comically, where the Matt Damon charter is engaged in some of the most heinous criminal acts imaginable, against his own family, while behind his house the whole neighborhood is literally howling with outrage over the fact that a black family in the neighboring home is simply trying to move into a home and live their lives peacefully.
Along with the nascent suburbs came nascent suburban school districts. The school districts did not need to be expressly discriminatory because they defined district boundaries by city boundaries. Thus, they were well-funded and lily white. The white baby boom kids attended these shiny new segregated suburban schools, matriculated at prestigious universities, and moved on to positions of power and influence in industry and government. When people talk about "structural racism", that is literally the structure.
It didn't go unnoticed. Many felt that this structure violated the directives of "Brown v Board of Education." A group of citizens in Michigan (where the divide was the along the virtual Iron Curtain that was Detroit's infamous Eight Mile Road) sued. The case went all the way to the US Supreme Court which ruled, in 1974 (1974!) that this species of discrimination did not violate the Constitution and therefore states had no obligation to remedy it. "Milliken v Bradley." Look it up. Essentially a reaffirmation of "Plessy v Ferguson."
This is the genesis of the wealth gap. A giant element of the net worth of white families is that home -- the home that was purchased for these white families with tax dollars. The value of that home today is somewhere between $300,000 - $500,000, which roughly coincides with the magnitude of the wealth gap today.
I personally prefer to distinguish between plain racism (personal and individual attitudes, can be addressed by addressing the individual person) and systemic racism (much more insidious and dangerous, cannot be addressed by confronting racists on a one-to-one base)
Thank you! I was aware of many of these issues but no idea on the history on how they came to be. Appreciate you explaining allows me to pass along this knowledge as the conversation comes up
That's because the United States is a young country. Spain is an old country that has suffered various invasions and has had to live with people of different races and religions throughout its history. For example, the city where I live has a neighborhood that has existed since medieval times and even in those times that neighborhood was divided between the Arab, Jewish and Christian areas, not to mention all the blood mixing with our brothers from Latin America. The United States needs much more time to understand and accept.
Regarding racism against africans and african descendants in Spain. ¡¡¡¡¡Saludos a nuestros hermanos ecuatoguineanos desde España!!!!! 🙌
I don't think there is a non-racist country in the world. It may be more or less, but there will always be racism, classism or whatever you want... just an assessment. When was interracial marriage legalized in Spain?
On January 14, 1514, by means of a Royal Decree, King Ferdinand the Catholic legalized mixed marriage between Castilians and indigenous people. This policy of miscegenation contrasts profoundly with those carried out by the English on the same continent. Interracial marriage in the United States has been legal in all states of the United States, only after the 1967 decision of the Supreme Court.
Hope things don't get worse in US and in the rest of the world because of these right wing extremists
I agree 100%. Any injustice at the end will bite us all.
As a white woman, born and raised in the Southern U.S., you absolutely hit the nail on the head. I've lived in the PNW for several years now and the difference of living in one area of the states to another really woke me up. Now with all the crap that's going on here in the U.S., my husband and I are done. It's devastating how fast the progress we made has been smashed. Spain is our country of choice and although we know it isn't perfect, we hope it's much better. The U.S. isn't suppose to have a billionaire king surrounded by other billionaires but that's what was voted in. I love my fellow black and brown humans and support the LGBTQ+ community. I worry for everyone who isn't white and christian.
This was so incredibly well done. I love the way in which you describe the experience - the mold in the house, the weighted dice. In addition, the occasional bad relative vs the entire construct working the way that it is designed to work. Kudos and continued success on your life in Spain.
Your description of what racism looks like and feels like is spot-on. Thank you👍🏽✨
The problem with racism starts with the name. There are no different races, just different ethnicities. It does not make sense to classify population by something so diverse as skin colour, or any other character…
España clasista? aqui nadie te pregunta cuanto dinero ganas ni te consideran "loser" por trabajar en un supermercado.USA es clasista,España,mucho menos.La trayectoria historica de España y USA son muy distintas,no las mezcle.
When I lived there (early 2k) the Romani were treated kind of bad, but I can see how that could fall under class. Hope things have gotten better for them.
I definitely think it falls under race, since the Romani are not seen as intermixing with "outsiders." They have their own language, etc.
@kumaranvij agree really. the only reason I was thinking class was because she said how people presented themselves. I lived in their neighborhood and the ones I saw wore clothes that did not fit.😿
From a white dude, educated in Europe, spent considerable time in Canada:
I learned (very little) about slavery in elementary and high school. In my mind slavery was something that happened centuries ago and any remaining racism was just a result of ignorance and stupidity in small number of people.
Then I lived in Canada for a while, started meeting people of various colours, some of them from the US. I heard stories of racism in US and Canada (apparently there are differences), I watched the news, I learned about Rodney King, Central Park Five, all the way to George Floyd and I wondered where is that hate for blacks coming from... and then it hit me one day:
SEGREGATION WAS THE LAW IN MY LIFETIME!!! It's not something that was happening generations ago, _the current generation was educated during segregation_. And those people are all around you, your neighbours, police officers, shop owners, bank managers, random people on the street... what they learned while growing up doesn't get corrected easily...
And they want us not to talk about it because they feel guilty when we do
Thank goodness I am British. My husband is black. We made the decision many years ago that we did not want to go to the States. I see no reason to change our decision. As always your eloquence and intelligence shine through.
In Spain, there's a black person named Bertrand Ndongo who is associated with the far-right wing. You can find videos of him arguing with anti-racist individuals, which some might find amusing. In Spain, there is racism, but it often stems more from ignorance than malice. Black people generally do not face significant problems with discrimination from the police, doctors, or in education. However, in the US, institutional racism is a more deeply ingrained issue.
That's very insightful. I also think that History books are very Eurocentric. They mention "The discovery of the Americas" instead of something like "The contact between Europe and America". In reality that discovery was made by the first humans that populate that continent. By twisting it, it looks like if we, the europeans, were superior. 😔
I grew up in a 99%+ white community in rural Australia and never saw racism growing up so I have always had difficulty in understanding why people judge people with different skin color as being less worthy? They do not judge people with different hair color as being less worthy, so why do they do it with skin colour? There is no logic to it, just ignorance and stupidity with a basis maybe on a sense of low self esteem or worth. They somehow feel better about themselves and their situation in life because they can look down on others.
slavery + colonization.
wow. this is an epic video! thank you. will definitely be showing + sharing this as a teaching tool!
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No matter where do you go in Spain, you will not find big communities of Black people. In Asturias we have a big Senegalese community. They all start selling CDs, jewelry, they are in the street markets and everybody buys them things to help them (Me and all my friends included) because for them the next step is to get a construction job or many end up in the fishing fleets (Great fisherman) of the Basque region. People like them because they learn Spanish right away, they don't drink alcohol (Because they are Muslim) and they always respect our women and they always try very hard to integrate. Of course that there is racist people, like everywhere, but most of the Spanish people don't already have a high regard for them and we do have an expression for that and we say "A ese le patina la mandarina". Every thing boils down to ignorance that unfortunately, in many occasions, it is very daring.
Respetan a nuestras mujeres...musulmanes...si hombre
In Spain we have very few immigrant ghettos as such; the immigrant population seems to have spread pretty evenly among the working class neighbourhoods in a way that favours integration. I wonder whether that's because the government has done things right (which would be an absolute first in Spanish politics), or it's precisely because the government has done _nothing_ about it.
I am from Latin america, from Central america, I find this very interesting, Thanks for sharing it !
Gang sign!? Seriously? I really wish people would stop sugar coating his behaviour.
I'm ~British, white, male and heavily tattooed, from my time in the US it was definitely weird and very noticable from my interactions with black people - accent went a long way, but stupid stuff like interactions in bars, shops, that kinda thing. A wariness that I don't get in my home country, especially in anything service-related, a kinda delicacy about over-politeness and it really started to get to me, it really felt uncomfortable that I might be some kinda "Karen" or worse and I started to feel ashamed (not that I shouldn't), but that's from a position of ~priviledge at the colour of my skin and makes it very obvious that in the US just having a different colour skin would have made my experience a whole lot worse.
I don't think that's me looking down, but I'm open to being wrong - I'm total 5th generation white-trash, but I left America feeling sorry for the entire nation.
Yes, racism really does hurt everyone, it's scientifically provable that diversity really is strength and I've been grappling with finding the right words for a few days, but essentially - an opposite of diversity is inbreeding, which leads to cancer and other bad results. At this stage, something we should actively be trying to avoid as a species. I think most of us know it's a bad idea to be marrying cousins.
Astute points on The War on Drugs. If you can find it (think it was on FX) see if you can find the series Snowfall - somewhat enlightening maybe.
Europe doesn't have it "right", but we're working on it.
I think that a big strength is that we learned lessons after WWII, our grandparents saw the evils of the war and mostly dug their heels in about not repeating those mistakes. A lot of our nations are geographically small and trying to rebuild, we needed foreign labour.
Small countries, foreign immigrants and the state of shell shock coming out that war - it was really not worth the effort for the average person to hate their neighbours. Not worth the energy. Sure, these new folk had different cultures, religions, it was just easier to try and get on, be nice (tolerant at least), try some new foods, discover that "hey, they love their kids too" (shocker) and it really, really after that whole WWII thing, it's so counterintuitive to crap on your own doorstep. We learned some hard lessons the hardest of ways and there's still a little hopeful part of me that likes to think we improved for it. I really hope we don't have to re-learn.
America leaves me no hope and only fear that inevitably the insanity will spill beyond its borders and it's already happening, due to Bezos that seems to have some Bond-villain fantasy, Zuckerberg's absolute failure to cope that he wasn't popular with girls in his teens or 20s and Musk who I cannot even talk about without lapsing to profanity, but some combo of the first 2, yet something far worse as well.
I fear it has already spilled past the borders and is escalating fast.
@@momshouldve at least I'm disabled and get first pick of seats at the camps.
@@wulfgold I think your gold is shining through❤
@ 2025 - this is supposed to be "the future", no one hungry, cold or at war.
Instead, we got the Leonard Cohen song.
The average person is drowning and billionaires want space toys.
Thanks - that's kind of you, we need more of that - hope you get some back :)
This 'learning' is naive at best with a healthy dose of gaslighting propaganda that epitomizes the British. Europe has gone broke YET AGAIN. Europe is obsessed with garnering relevance by ranking what it defines to be villainous outlaws, but can't manage itself for anything, even during the pinnacle of its pre-War xenophobic ideology. Ironically, Europe squanders its resources implementing ALL and I mean ALL the different governments , like any got scammer consultant! So if Europe has learned anything, I would say, to the region's credit, there is some understanding that in most aspects, each of the 15 primary government types didn't, haven't, ain't and won't work! Which is why the region, collectively returns to what it knows best, playing possum. It produces very little, exports even less and contributes what exactly that is uniquely to the region? Then the campaign was later coined a Renaissance that ushered it into modernity, code switch for devising a stock exchange of Dutch East india-type enterprises, it's megachurch franchises, the Scrambles (Asia, Africa, Americas), the TransAtlantic Slave trade, 2 World Wars and some multinational shell agencies (think Christian scripture taglines) to detract from their despicable spendthrifts. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Their 20th century post-war portfolio of MLMs were repackaged as peace-keeping ventures, coercive altruism, status making (EU; outlawing boogeymen from the 92%) and kidnapping. Essentially, Europe has returned to what got them on the silk road: invite the people from those very lands to trade. Then look, listen, reorganize and devise a stock exchange..you know how this continues...and it ain't pretty.
I'm a Canadian and worked in SF for 2 years from 2018 to 2020. I worked in two companies and in both companies I felt some form of discrimination. In the first company I a problem with a white colleague and a white project manager, they were friends outside work. I turned to a senior who was a third generation Japanese American and voiced my concern. He said confidently "in my experience as an American it's never a good idea to call out racism. Instead it's stronger to act as if it didn't happen and show that you're stronger by moving on." In my opinion that was one hell of a weak response. I was disappointed and I never got the support I needed. Eventually I quit without another job lined up but no one knew that was the real reason. In Canada we don't do that, we call out racism. Americans are brainwashed into letting things go and not fight back for what's right.
I often come back to Dr. Kings famous speach where he wishes for his children not to be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.
How tragic that this is just what happened in the last election but to the wrong person: enough of those voters, who were allowed to vote, chose a man with orange skin tone, quite rare actually, and the most twisted, racist, classist, sexist and privileged character imaginable, BECAUSE THEY LIKED HIS CHARACTER. They liked the lies, they liked his absolution for open racism and white nationalim, they liked his disgust for all but himself and his fellow poorly educated.
Trump as an individual is not the problem. The fact that a person like this is allowed to act in the open without universal disgust by all other citizens except for some 2000 billionaires is the problem.
Two things bother me about your video:
A Hitler salute is not a „gang sign“. The Nazis were not a gang and what Musk was doing is not just some small „gesture“.
The second thing is, that while I feel you explained racism in the US very well, with lots of examples, you took a long time to do so (almost 9 out of 11 minutes of video). Meanwhile your actual answer to the question that your video poses was very vague, no examples, no clear conclusion. It felt to me like no answer at all.
It’s nice that the reaction to pointing out racism is so fundamentally different, but I am still left with the feeling of an unanswered question.
I had not made the fourteen words connection before you pointed it out. Thank you for making me aware of that.
I'm Dutch and yes we have racism in the Netherlands. But the racism is different than the racism in the U.S.
We did not have slaves in the Netherlands (we did have slaves in the colonies in south America, but not at home) so we don't view black people as ex-slaves.
The racism in the Netherlands is very specific. For example people are racist towards Morrocans, but not Turks. They are racist towards Ethiopians, but not Nigerians. It has more to do with country than skincolor.
What we do find shocking is that the U.S. asks your "race" when you apply for schools and jobs, etc. That would not be allowed here. The Dutch word for "race' is "ras" and we only use it for animals, not humans. Asking a Dutch person what race they are would be very insulting.
After World War 2 most European countries stopped believing in different human races. There is only one. Doesn't mean it's perfect here.
Edit: We also don't use the term "caucasian" here. Only the U.S. does that I think. I'm white but I have never called myself a caucasian or been called a caucasian. I'm just a white Dutch person.
Exactly, just like a black man in Belgium is a Belgian and not an African-Belgian. (Think Stromae) or that Idris Elba is an Englishman not an African-English.
I bet there are lots of MAGA's that can't get their head around the fact that Elon is an African because he is white.
While it seems like asking those questions for schools, jobs, etc. would be insulting, it actually can be helpful for telling the story of oppressed people. Without those statistics it is impossible to prove to others what we already know exists. There is a reason we are informed about racial injustice, is because we have the statistics to help prove it. Otherwise, it would purely be based on the word of oppressed people, which no one cares about or listens to. I live in the US but did graduate school in the UK, and I was seriously limited in my research because much of the data isn't collected. We know the differences are there, but there is no way to analyze them. For example, is the unemployment rate in NL higher for racial minorities than for whites? What about the wealth gap? School outcomes? Are racial minorities turned down more for schools? For job opportunities? For loans? If you don't have the information it is easier to ignore as well.
@@dbbthreads But as long as those things get registered there will be racism and segregation. And the question is also based on nothing. I am white Dutch, not caucasian. So what should I fill in? I am not mixed, but I am not caucasian. I would never say "caucasian". It's like calling myself an Italian.
Thank you. Always informative, always timely. 🙏
My pleasure🤍
Thank you so much for giving your time to this work. Amazing content.
We need another Marcus Garvey , This country doesn't deserve us.
Someone will rise and be the voice who moves things forward
You offered quite a bit of accurate information that many people didn't know about. Thank you for that.
Interesting, well stated video. Thanks for posting. These topics are things we all need to talk about and hopefully it's an eye opener for people.
I am not sure about classism in Spain. I know a cleaning lady who lives in the same modest building as a doctor. Obviously, the doctor can opt for better housing, but he does not seem to be too worried about it.
I do agree with her. In the past, in general, people made a point of being polite, now you see people being fine with being vulgar, which they often call 'behaving like normal people' or being fine with others behaving like that. That's not 'normal' for everyone though, so many people are 'filtered out' because of the way they present themselves, including the way they speak. Saying 'ejjj que' won't take you far.
@@Xiroi87 Well, I know a person who became a minister... and you too. I am not as interested in how people appear as in reality. Our Prime Minister expresses himself acceptably, even in other languages, always looks impeccable and makes a good impression, but everything he says or does is worthless.
The pijos may disagree
@@momshouldve Do you mean snobs?
The classism affects non whites in Spain more directly. Ie if you're black and dress 'poorly' you will be treated in a more hostile manner than a Spaniard who does the same. It means if you're black in many areas of Europe it's in your interest to dress professionally.
Thank you for this video! White woman married to a Hispanic man in the USA and we are considering a move to Spain. I’ve been trying to find out how Spain’s culture differs from that of the USA, particularly in this regard and hearing it from a black woman is exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. I would love to connect. I noticed you’re in Asturias and my research tells me that’s where I want to end up. Please feel free to look me up!
We sadly have racism in the UK, stoked by right wingers who really should know better.
Check out the 'Battle of Bamber Bridge' in the UK in World War 2, a much more positive reminder of who we CAN be.
I'm British and only heard of it recently.
Will do
Wow!
And the battle of cable street
I love to guide Americans to information about the Battle of Bamber Bridge.
I live near there, the pub where it started has an information board and a pretty little garden outside as a memorial. When the pubs in the area were ordered - by the American commanding officers - to operate a colour bar for US troops, they all agreed - and all came up with the same notice 'Black troops only'. Oh were the (white) yanks mad! 'That's not what we meant!' and demanded that 'something' be done about it. But Lancastrians (and especially pub landlord Lancastrians) are independent and strong-minded - some would say stubborn - and they weren't going to stand for banning these blokes who were friendly, caused no trouble and popular among the locals.
Lots of other, similar things happened too - mostly, though, without deaths ... and not quite so dramatic.
Thing was, though, the black lads were taken into the nation's hearts when most of our own menfolk were far away, and many already lost or missing - and when they finally went back to the US many/most had got used to being treated as normal everyday people, who just happened to be black, by normal everyday people, who just happened to be white, and that, I have read, was something that really fired up the US Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s.
On you tube there are some of the information films shown to both black and white GIs before coming here. Particularly of note is one that shows a nice, very middle-class, old lady inviting a black GI to tea at her house, then turning round, seeing a white one, and in the same breath inviting him, too. It warned the white GI not to be shocked at these blatant expectations of equality in the UK and then went on to give patronising explanations as to why we were so peculiar as to treat black soldiers in the same way as white ones!
Nowhere in the world is there 'no racism' unless the population is totally uniform (and even then, some people will surely be 'picked on' or 'favoured' because of some innate and essentially meaningless difference in appearance), but crikey we can all try our hardest, surely that is not too much to hope for?
@Sine-gl9ly I remember hearing of an elderly English lady in WW2 talking about the American GIs posted in her area. She described them as lovely and polite. And then she said she wasn't quite so keen on the white ones, however.
Well said my friend. It is SO important to have people like yourself to remind society of how racism looks and manifests itself. If we don't do this, it just becomes (as you say) normal and acceptable. And it is not either of those.
We all know what we saw. That wasn't his heart he was throwing out it was his hate.
EU has this laws in effect, "EU Charter of Fundamental Rights", its overseen by an agency named "European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights". Only Poland has an opt-out from this law. It has this important article.
"Article 21 - Non-discrimination
1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
2. Within the scope of application of the Treaties and without prejudice to any of their specific provisions, any discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited."
EU law apply in local courts in Spain and everywhere else in EU, expect Poland with this law.
"Microaggression" is a generous interpretation of the action
Fantastic video. I’ve been living in the US for 8½ years. I soon learned that the answer to my questions about why things are as they are in this country always involved racism. You list some of them here.
WHAT a channel!! As a spaniard I was waiting for a video like this!!
I love your channel. Thank you for so eloquently breaking down the system of racism. I hope more Americans will hear your voice. Thank you!
Thank you
Brilliant history lesson! The main thing people forget is how recent segregation and overt discrimination was in American life. I remember seeing segregated facilities when I was a boy visiting the South. I attended ball games at Dodger Stadium built on the urban renewal site of Chavez Ravine. Today, federal agents arrested hundreds of “undocumented immigrants” only to find USA citizens and veterans. Racist resistance to the Civil Rights legislation of the 60’s was violent and nationwide well into the 80s. Now the legal reforms are in danger. I am so disappointed by my country. However, how well has Spain accepted immigrants of color particularly if they are Muslim? Spain does have responsibility for the institutions and traditions of color based racism across the Americas. Is there a historical understanding and recognition of that legacy? I am glad you have found acceptance in Asturias. Obviously, your essay tonight has prompted me to think of our collective pasts and realize how humanity has much to correct and more to achieve.
Wow, you are a brilliant speaker. You gave me a lot to think about
Estimada amiga: su magnifica exposicion de la multifacética esencia (y presencia) del racismo es la más clara, realista y elocuente que he visto (y escuchado) en mucho tiempo. ¡¡Muchísimas gracias!!!
I really appreciate your intelligent perspective. The way you speak about racism in the U.S. is spot on, and it mirrors Isabel Wilkerson's book Caste which I'm currently reading. Americans like to think there is no official class system in this country. But, the truth is we have a race-based caste system that incorporates class and many other intersections of identities. It is a real social hierarchy that separates the haves and the have nots, and like you said it affects everyone regardless of skin color whether people are willing to admit it or not. Very insightful video!
I can only say : thank you for this very precise explanation of racism in the US vs Europe. As a French person who lived in the USA , I felt racism was somewhat different but could not understand how it was experienced. You made this clear. I am very greatful.
9:15 I’ve had that same experience in Spain too! In fact, I feel like I was more fully seen in Spain when I lived there. That’s a big reason why I’ll keep pushing Black friends of mine to go and experience the country for themselves. I also can see I’ve probably benefited like you have - in being brought up in a way to navigate that cross section of classism and racism. Thanks for giving me words to that!
For people who think this 'deregulation' and dismantling of minority & black rights will boost the US economy, are mistaken.
Slave and indentured labour has the worst efficiency of all forms of labour. Why? Because workers are not paid, or paid below subsistence level, and thus, are not consuming and driving the economy. (Plus the government need to guard them exponentially more to prevent a riot or uprising.) So, if there will be any temporary economic gains from the destruction of the Civil Rights Act, in a few years it will be all spent; what will take its place is a hollowed out US economy with masses of unemployable low skill-low wage workers.
La gente negra es hermosa.
I'm Finnish and white. About 30 years go, I went to the U.S. for about five months or so. During that time, I noticed some of these things, how race is sort of built into everything there. For example, whenever I had to fill some official papers, they always asked my "race/ethnicity". I felt insulted by the question because it wouldn't be acceptable to ask that in Finland.
Of course there is racism in Finland, too. For example, a study that was made a few years ago found that people who have a name that sounds Middle Eastern or African are much less likely to be invited to a job interview than people who have a Finnish name - even if they indicate that they speak perfect Finnish. It has also turned out that school guidance councelors don't expect immigrant children to get a good education, the extreme example is that a Muslim girl was told directly that "you'll just get married and start making babies". They also tend to direct Muslim girls to traditional "women's jobs" like nursing, even when their report card shows that they are good at mathematics and physics.
But I see two important differences to America. First, these decisions are always based on people's personal opinions, not the law. We never had laws that would have discriminated against people based on their color (mainly because historically there were no people of color in Finland) so we don't have that that kind of historical remnants in our legal system. The second difference is that since these things came out, there has been much public discussion about them, nobody has tried to deny that these problems exist. There's just no simple solution for them because often the people who do these things are not consciously aware of it.
Like you said, no country is perfect. But the problems and people's attitude to them are different.
Kiss my chocolate bun-cake! 😆hahaha, thanks for making me laugh (before making me cry)
An English writer once said, "I don’t like the French, but I’ve never met a French person I didn’t like." I think this is a reference to a general aversion to strangers - the fear that they might take something away from us or take advantage of us. But when you get to know these people better, all these fears vanish.
I’m not talking about disliking someone because their skin is darker than ours. I’m talking about prejudices against people you don’t know. The speech by this woman in the video surprised me. I thought there was no more racism in the United States - after all, you had a Black president not too long ago. Or do you still say "mixed"?
This subtle racism the woman speaks about is something I’m familiar with - from Germany, where it’s directed at Poles or Russian Germans. The latter are people born in Russia but with German ancestry. This kind of racism might surprise you because the skin color of these people is sometimes even lighter than that of Germans. This rejection is invisible, yet still present. Not overt, but very subtle.
When people attend a comedy show by Nikita Miller (a Russian German), they laugh because he’s funny and plays on many stereotypes about Russia to entertain his audience. Yet, you can still sense the unease towards him. He seems dangerous, unpredictable … you might even think some hidden friends of his will later rob the guests. But nothing of the sort happens, and people are relieved to see they were wrong. "Stupid prejudices," you think, as the show continues, and Nikita cracks one joke after another. The truth is: I don’t like Russian Germans, but Nikita? Yes, I like him!
In Spain, prejudice against foreigners is not so subtle. Twenty years ago, I almost got into a fight with a South American man if my wife hadn’t stepped in. I had insulted the man. We’d both been drinking, and as we all know, alcohol lowers inhibitions. Years later, I became friends with one of his countrymen. How is that possible? As I said, when you get to know people better, it feels different. Then it doesn’t matter where they’re from.
Thank you for this video 👍🏻❤️ Hola from Malaga
Brilliant. Just brilliant. I'm from the UK. I knew much of this, but you have woven it all together to create horrifying tapestry. European racism is definitely alive and well, but it is very interesting to hear someone with experience of both explain the differences.
I would say European racism is less overt...it's still there but in a different kind of way
👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐EXCELLENT WORK!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO NEW VIDEOS! THANK YOU
I like your way of exposing the problems without stridency and without abusing labels. It is refreshing nowadays. I just take issue with the effect the 1964 civil rights act has had on civil rights in the long run. I think it has been like a medicine that acts on the symptoms but not on the microbe that causes the disease. What is positive discrimination for some will always be negative for others. Passing a black student with lower grades is a lousy idea because from now on everyone will think that if you have passed a race with lower standards, your professional worth will logically be lower. This is my point of view from someone who has never had to deal with these things, I can't put myself in your shoes but at least from the “outside” many people see it that way.
Only issue is that the beautiful lamp will fall off the table! All true that has been said!!! ❤
Your description of racism is the best I have ever heard. Spot on.
When talking about racism, I told Spaniards that Americans would rather not get healthcare if black and Latinos qualify for the same benefits. They had no idea racism can stretch that far, their racism is outdated "haha look at this booga booga guy"
I was stunned when I went to the States in 1978 just how constant and universal racism was. I'm a white UK northerner and have encountered racism I the UK, nothing like the USA.
Thanks for your video, very clear explanation by the way 👍
Hello, I am Dutch living in Galicia in Spain. I am an electrotechnician for factory installations. When a local installer came to inspect our new home installation, he told me that he was drowning in work. When I went to apply for a job with him, he said that he did not have enough work. My name is Rob van den Wijngaart, if my name had been Roberto de la Viña, I would have had a job. Now I work in a dairy cow barn, because they could not find a Gallego to work there. So indeed, discrimination is everywhere, your colour or religion does not matter, it just depends on where you are.
@@naargalicie5800 que cosas tienes ,madre mía, eso no es racismo .
It is xenophobia. Dutchman should establish his own business. @@fontantorres3938
Or maybe he lied. 😅
Xenofobia to the morrocans is more likely.
Thanks for making this video, I hope more people watch is and understand
Thank you for your wise and truthful words. ❤️
You are so welcome
Thank you, very enlightening. I wish everyone in the world would watch this.