I've just heard from a church that you're not required to tithing. I've been told that if you don't tithe your under a curse and your finances, but the scripture say to give with joy in your heart.
I've just heard from a church that you're not required to tithe, and I've been told that if you don't tithe your under a curse and your finances, but the scripture say to give with joy in your heart.
Thank you Dr Brown. I get so tired of seeing ministers put so much pressure on the poorest of the poor, including widows on social security, to tithe to their church and make them feel so guilty if they don't.That doesn't refute the law of generosity that you were talking about but so many people I believe are under such condemnation and pressure to tithe that they don't even get the blessing from it because they're under so much pressure and compulsion. Especially the elderly living on very limited funds of their social security benefits. I am a senior with a disability and live off the generosity of my children and some government disability. Although my basic needs are taken care of, my income is still considered below poverty level. I do not tithe. I do , however, step out and give whenever I feel God is leading me to and I also sponsor an orphan with a well-known international Christian organization and have been doing this for 13 years. When I was younger and working a job I faithfully and joyfully tithed because I wanted to not because I felt that I needed to.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Dr Brown is not being fully honest to the whole of New Testament giving. Malachi 3 has a curse attached. No tither I have met can say they have so much that they don't have room enough to give. Eleven of the founding apostles were killed. What happened to their harvest. Give as you purpose in your own heart. New testament giving is not "beyond" the tithe.....
Loved the stories about giving! I've had a few interesting financial miracles, too, that showed me how much He cares about and uses everything in our lives, to teach us spiritual truth and show us His love!
Fantastic Teaching, Dr.Brown. All this Years i was Dwinddling between Tithe or Not Tithing in Church. But i gave what i could, hoping that One Day i Am able to Tithe according to the Requirements. Today, You have ENLIGHTENED Me. With the Highlight of Sha'ul's First Fruit Giving at the Begining of every week, it has Motivated Me to do the same after My Sabbath Rest. And will look into some Directions of My Giving in this New Understanding that i've learned from You. Once again, Thank You. Shalom Aleichem
New Testament verse on giving. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Cor. 9:7
Well that awesome!!thanks heaps Brother Michael and the team. I really liked the way this was all layed out and explained in an easy to understand way as this issue for tithing,giving etc has confused me at times. I will keep, treasure and practice the message of being generous with love via the holy spirit in support of the ministries and burdens that God has given to my heart. Bless ya Doctor Michael and team from Australia
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
@@brown69211 I abide in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and He in Me, Therefore NO evil shall befall me. I claim His Promise in Jesus name. Jesus Loves you, seek Him my friend.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
The tradition of men makes the word of GOD of non-effect! I struggle with this! 15years ago tithing at the time, I was just doing my normal bible study and came across Acts 15:1-35 long story short after much studying found out the tithe is not for today, which if I told anybody in my church I would be an outcast and could not work in ministry (tithing is required to work in my church). so kept my mouth shut so I could keep working, left wondering what is the intent of the heart of Pastors either they don't know or do know which both are problems the latter being worse. just teach the truth as presented in the word of GOD!
Tithing change my life l start doing it with no prompting when I was going through financial hard times, giving tithing changes every thing financially don’t understand how it happened but thanks be to God I had no regrets
Most of Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John is still Old Testament under the Law. For Jesus had not yet died. “[16] In the case of a will it is necessary to prove that the person who made it has died, [17] for a will means nothing while the person who made it is alive; it comes into effect only after his death.” Hebrews 9:16-17
We don't need to "tithe" anything. We can just live generously with our time, talents and money. Depending on the needs of the moment, it can be pennies or 90%.
Hi Dr Brown: Thank you for all your videos, and your heart for God I've listened to the arguments for tithing, I have tithed for most of my working career, I think tithing is a good thing it helps us to be good stewards of what God has given us, it's really not our money.....however :):):) Tithing for the most part is associated with the OT law - we are new testament - we are not under the law but under grace, if you look at how the new testament treats the moral code in the OT it appears that each time it goes "you used to be under the law, now you are under grace" - it repeatedly takes the requirements and turns it into a matter of the heart and spirit, this is very consistent E.g. do not kill to don't hate. From the external to the internal. Matt 8:3,4 Jesus heals the leper and tells him to go to the priest is similar to Matt 23:23 where Jesus is speaking to people under the law and tells them to follow the OT rules. I consider myself a Berean Christian, to say definitively that the new testament commands us to tithe and that I'm a sinner when I don't is at best a hermeneutically weak and harmful extrapolation of these verses, the NT has several verses that definitively state that we are not under the law, I read that as a total approach, we shouldn't add to that an exception of tithing. If you look at the logic of churches that are strong on tithing, it's a little eerie how it follows similar paths with the middle age indulgences logic. There are many verses in the NT that tell us to love, to be generous, to be helpful to our fellow man and obviously to support our local church/pastors - and so we should My situation is I'm retired, fixed income, my daughter and grandson are transitioning through a divorce from an alcoholic - a situation that would be very harmful for herself and her son to stay in. I would happily tithe - it sure would be less expensive LOL, but as her dad there is no part of me that would abandon her because "I am under a NT tithe law". When my pastor says from the pulpit that I'm a sinner when I don't tithe - I don't like it, but given the choice to support my daughter or tithe because my income just isn't enough to do both, guess what my choice is, my hope and prayer is that she will reestablish herself soon so I can return to the traditional tithe. Thanks again for your ministry, pursuit of the truth - I very much respect what you say and your heart for God. While I'm all on board with pastors being strong against sin, they need to realize that when they are hammering their congregations on the tithe issue they much of the time are introducing guilt and shame to their flock - to me that runs contrary to being a good shepherd conveying a message of a loving graceful merciful God. I'm real strong on God is not a genie, that when we give Him 100 He will give back x amt in return, that to me is very wrong. Ok I'm done, God bless, be safe.
Luke 6:38 is not talking about money. Context is key! 2Corinthian chapters 8-9 is Paul making a collection for the poor Saints Jewish believers who sold all they had to prepare for the 7yr tribulation. Peter told Paul to take care of the poor Jewish believers in Galatians 2:10.
According to what honors God is our faith , not what we give. Jesus told us though when we see someone in need and we help them it says we are doing so to him. He said when you feed someone who has nothing to eat you are feeding him.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Instead of just concluding that we're not under the Old Testament law of tithing, I was hoping to see a fuller explanation of what the Old Testament tithing actually was. The tithe under the Levitical system is described as giving of raw production in most cases. Giving grain instead of processed into bread, giving animals instead of butchered meat, etc. Grapes were processed into wine because that's how it was stored. The question of whether tithing was on gross or net income, is not answered by whether you want gross or net blessings, but that it was described as being 100% of all monetary income, but more as being sharecropper rent on agricultural income from the Promised Land. Deut 14:22-25 describes tithe as being not-money, since it wouldn't make sense to turn money into money. I'm not finding commands for the butcher, baker, blacksmith or the hireling to tithe from their payments. The phrase 'windows of heaven' is sending rain in due season, not a conduit to shower the giver with coins. Mal 3:10 was saying that if the Levites gave their tenth-of-tenth to the temple, that the nation's harvests would be blessed so that the Levites themselves would receive such an increased tithe - that when they gave their tenth from that, the temple wouldn't be able to hold all of that. The anecdotes about immediate rewards from giving money you can't afford - could have been tempered by 1 Timothy 5:8 that you should provide for your family, and that applies both to bringing home a sufficient paycheck, as well as not using too much of the money in ways that doesn't leave enough remaining for providing for your family, and that includes giving too much.
Prior to the institution of Kings Israel didn't pay "taxes". So gross versus net income doesn't make any sense to me...And I am not about giving money you can't afford. Your reference to Timothy works.
@@bigviewsmallwindow8335 gross vs net is about deducting expenses. does the farmer deduct the cost of seed? payments to hirelings? payment for farm equipment? fees to blacksmiths, etc. When ranchers tithed every 10th animal that went under the rod, this wasn't giving the first 10th to god, and there's no language about deducting 2nd year animals eaten by wolves or stolen by thieves.
I was visiting a church on a Sunday evening where the pastor from the pulpit called out someone who was sitting in the church pew he called that person a crook and said that he was robbing God because he didn’t bring the tithe he then was told to leave he was literally thrown out for not bringing the tithe my wife and I walked out of that church and never returned because it was all about the money and not the salvation of the souls, Jesus died in the cross for that person and that young man was thrown out of the church 😭 if we have no love we’re nothing
“of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Hebrews 10:29-31 KJV
“[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole NATION (Israel).” Malachi 3:9 This verse is not written too nor talking too the church (body of Christ). Context is key! 1. Who’s talking 2. Who is it talking too 3. When and where is it taking place
Dr. Brown, I believe the controversy on tithing is not about giving it but those receiving it. The controversy about those receiving it is not about supporting them but on them, been lavished by it. If Churches have gotten so much that Pastors can buy jets, will people continue to give? Certainly not. Because, the purpose of supporting the minister would have been over achieved. I believe our love for God is very telling by what we also do with our wealth. It should honor Him. So, your point is very valid. Generosity is an arm of righteousness and by doing so, God sees the need to give us more. But, we have not been called to make Ministers rich and this will mean, we should ask God for wisdom in how we spend our money for His sake.
I know hundreds of nonbelievers who don’t give a -- about God, and they are blessed with children and material wealth. On the other hand, I know many poor Christians who tithe and gave generously to the church, believing that they will be blessed with wealth and children but received none. Please explain.
Exactly. The 21st century American Church is mixing OT law with NT teaching but no NT verses say anything about a required 10% gross tithe. The problem is that all these churches and ministries with their fancy buildings, conferences and guest speaker have created financial obligations that members are expected to pay the bills for. I don't see Paul teaching this kind of empire building formula to Timothy at all. And we wonder why America is so far from God...
2 timothy 2:15 Rightly divide but many dont rightly divide Isreals laws and Bofy of Christ... this a joke because there is no law for those under grace...
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse. Then there will be food in My House. Now test Me in this”-says Adonai-Tzva’ot-“if I will not open for you the windows of heaven, and pour out blessing for you, until no one is without enough." Malachai 3:10. All God's people should tithe. And give it gladly not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing.God is true to His word. You will see blessings beyond what you have given.
We are not under the law. The purpose of tithing under the law has nothing to do with the church today. Read all of Malachi not just one overused verse out of context
@Desire Of All Nations You are mis-quoting Scripture. When Jesus held up the coin, he said “Give to Caeser what belongs to Caeser and give to God what belongs to God”. When Jesus said “Give ro Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser - he was referring to the coin which had Caeser’s image. When He said “Give to God what belongs to God” - he was not refering to money -which does not bear God’s image. He was saying we should give to God that which bears God’s image - that is our very selves,
Should you go into debt just because you give because you don't have enough to give? Is this a sin not to give when the word of God says that we shouldn't be in debt?
You say give to the local church where you are fed,nourished etc.There is other ways to give,i.e time and talents. If the church you go to is already amply supplied too then give financially to where it is needed.Many christians outside the west have very little resources, materially and spiritually -bibles,study bibles and other needs. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is as true of the church as it is of the world -think about it. Give to gospel work locally and worldwide where the need is great.This will give you great joy and enthusiasm in Christs service
Were not under law...Isreal and Body of Christ is not the same...Tithing is under law for Isreal...Body of Christ is suppose to give cheerfully any amount no set amount...
The Bible never taught that tithe is money. In fact, the Bible teaches that you (Hebrew) may sell your tithe and get money to get what your soul desires.
It’s amazing how people comment but they clearly having listened to the video critically. This subject gives believers and pastors alike great cognitive dissonance. If we would approach the scriptures with an open heart and humility, along with sound contextual teaching, the Spirit would give us understanding.
Explain this….we were faithful tithers and wanted to get a new car because we had junky old cars. We got new car but couldn’t pay notes on time because of paying tithe. We weren’t well to do. We were a young couple living in a 10’x55’ trailer. We had to give up our new car to my sinning, non tithing brother in law and we went back to using junky old car. I thought we were going to be blessed but we were cursed!!! Fast forward 30 years later and I discover tithes was food grown and 10% was given to priest to put in actual storehouses, not churches. They actual gave three different tithes. We stopped tithing but give and God still blessing us. I think God blesses more when you give but bible don’t say what to give.
first fruits belong to God... the most likely reason that God did not respect Cain's offering.. which is Genesis 4... that is not the tithe.. but it WAS expected by God and was probably the basics of the tithe
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail (Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
From what I understand, we are not to focus on a certain percentage but just on the concept of being generous to support God's work and those teachers that bless us with spiritual knowledge. So we would give as we are financially able and according to what God puts on our hearts to give. Hope this helps. God bless. 🌻
@@TC-gx3qn YEAH! But that ain't how they tell it! Quote: shall a man rob God! Or give it Jesus name. Never have I heard give whatever God lays on your heart!
@@TC-gx3qn in life we experience lots of things but it's not necessarily God. Sometimes God will be gracious to us even in the midst of our ignorance but it still doesn't validate who he is on a higher level. We need to study to show ourselves approved. Tithing was for the levites/priests, the widow/poor and a personal responsibility in times to present oneself during the feast. 2/3s of the tithe they can't claim and the other 1/3 with all the money they pulling in is only a fraction.
Matthew 22:15-22, Jesus said give Caesar what is Caesar's and God what is God's. What is the context here? Money, paying taxes or tribute. Give the government the taxes they require (taxes) and God what He requires (tithe). It was required under the law to give the first fruit of all your increase. Jesus never lowered the standard of the OT, but raised it. Jesus was reiterating the principle, like He did many.
@@christiancurcio2576 the tithes were only for the tribe of Levi. Because they had no inheritance. There also was a tithe for the stranger, widow and orphan. Today there is not a levitical priesthood, so what part are these false prophets claiming. The part for the stranger, widow and orphan. Well, even if this is the case their not doing a faction of what their pulling in ! Or maybe the part which was to be when one was to present himself before the Lord during the feasts. NOT! That was a personal tithe!
Just the perfect response. These NT does not need to repeat OT principles, because the OT isn't old. But agree with Dr. Brown that the standard in the NT is higher, it's spiritual, not ritualistic.
I don't like this response to the false doctrine of monetary tithing. His response its not as plain as it should be, he made this way more complicated than what it is. It's very simple, He's still trying to convince people to give with a motive, when that's not the issue. The issue is the false doctrine of monetary tithing. He even took the scriptures of supporting of ministers out of context. If you study the 2 Corinthians 9 Paul made it clear he did not use that right, but they harp on those scriptures to make use of that right. You don't have to teach people to give the scriptures are clear and that fruit will bear.
That story where God took you to Mal. 3 was Him showing you to trust Him. There was already a flow of monies to and from you based on your faith in God. In that moment you took your eyes off Him and did the math. But You prevailed in faith. However I don't think God was saying to go start a church and pronounce curses on everyone who doesn't give up to that OT 10% standard ... which is what we are being taught today. I am all for giving to the ministry. Even giving 10%. But not under teaching that says I'm cursed if I don't. I refuse to align with that. I would say tithing under the New testament is strictly a principle not a commandment. Like fasting is a spiritual principle or discipline. We should do it but the Lord does not curse us if we don't. And Hebrews 7 harkens back to Genesis 14 not Malachi 3. If Abraham did not give based on the law (but gave of free will) then we shouldn't have to since he's the father of our faith.
The bible doesn't give us the option of monetizing the tithe. That was man's idea. Nowhere in the bible was there a tithe received from earned wages and the ceremonial and civil ordinances that facilitated biblical, systematic tithing are now obsolete.
@@jeralec8564 very good. His commandments. Jesus' commandments. Even at that, this is an interesting verse because of a dispute between if the verse should say this or as it is in the revised versions that read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates." Washing their robes as in becoming clean through the blood of Christ. Revelation 22:14 ESV You are free to research this topic on your own time. As well, in the totality of scripture it is very clear that we are to obey God's most important commandment... "And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us." 1 John 3:23 ESV
So every commandment under the Sinai covenant is nullified, but you still quote out of proverbs and psalms? So every commandment and principle from Exodus 20-Acts 2 has been rendered void? I love and respect you Dr. Brown but where's the logical consistency? How can we believe that God and His word don't change, but then go on and act like He changes His mind and nullifies His own Word on a daily basis? Just food for thought.
Christian's are not under the Sinai covenant, we are under the New Covenant and follow Jesus' commandments. He was quoting from those books to show what it meant to them at the time and where the idea came from. There are many commandments that crossover that Jesus either reinforces/adds to/ or doesn't mention at all.
Tithing is prior to Sinai covenant. It was voluntary and an act of gratitude. The basic principle of tithing is giving to God. It is not given to the Pastor. But unfortunately, Pastors look upon it as their wages, relying on Paul. Most of the scandals in Christianity are because of the abuse of tithe money. Please note that money cannot purchase God's goodness or salvation.
@@Porklion enough with the one hit wonder. Precept must be upon precept and line must be upon line. This verse is dealing with the law of sacrifice which has been done away with, read on. The part the deals with in our hearts simply means we will do his commandments instead of reading and using jetti mind tricks to make ourselves believe that when we believe in Jesus thats all needed. That is a LIE!
@@jeralec8564 no, it's the core doctrine of Christianity. Show me where it says it is only talking about sacrifice in that passage. It clearly says "laws," plural. Jesus said to follow his commandments and he never commanded keeping the Sabbath, rather, he did works on the Sabbath and allowed those with him to do works on the Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
I hardly ever disagree with you. But this one I do disagree with you. You dismissed Jesus' encouragement to practice, justice, mercy and faithfulness while not neglecting the tithe as simply Him talking to the Pharisees and not applicable to us. (should we practice justice, mercy and faithfulness?) If we took that logic, then being born again would only be for Nicodemus, the Pharisee or Jesus teachings on Marriage (Matt 19) just for the Pharisees and the Jewish people, yet the disciples took Jesus' discussions with the Pharisees to heart for themselves. Reconsider your view on Jesus' teachings to Pharisees, Samaritans, Lawyers, Sadducees, Pontius Pilate as being true for us today. No matter who Jesus spoke to, His words will never pass away. The church fathers discussed this topic on whether tithing was for Christians, and ultimately, they decided that Christians should tithe too, based on what Jesus said. I think they showed respect to Jesus words.
I also strongly disagree with you Tom Brown. If Jesus explained something pertaining to the Law of Moses to Jews, He was right to do so because they were under the law (including Jesus himself -Galatians 4:4-5) and His disciples will take it personally too because they were Jews and under the law too at the time. Justice, mercy and faithfulness exist outside the mosaic law and Christians can make sense of that even if Jesus addresses these to Pharisees. Jesus' encounter with Nicodemus had nothing to do with obedience to the mosaic law; it was about eternal life which is the purpose for which Jesus came. I'll say you're the one to rather reconsider your views of Jesus' teachings in the light of sound scriptural hermeneutics. Context is very important Tom. Who are the so-called church fathers? I bet you're not talking about the Apostles of Jesus Christ because they never taught that. No one cares about what the "church fathers" discussed and decided. What matters is what the Bible teaches. Shalom
read Acts 15 the entire not 1 new convert ever was told to tithe not 1 gentile was told to tithe at no time was tithieing being preached Mal 3-8 was never preached period
You must forsake everything. Luke 14:33. A Christian cannot sin nor can a Christian ever get sick since they are a child who is now born of God. The majority of believers are not Christians though since they have been deceived by the devil and they are willingly following him. Their eyes have been blinded to God’s truth and so they twist scripture verses in order to justify the sin and the sicknesses that they possess in their life. There is no sin and sickness with God nor is there sin and sickness for anyone who is born of God. Scripture relates that sin and sickness is strictly of the devil and it can only be found in the souls who belong to the devil since they are disobeying God and His commands. A Christian is someone who lives exactly “like Christ.” Jesus did not sin and a child born of God cannot sin either. This is how the term Christian originated since the disciples became followers of Christ who no longer sinned. There are very very few of us who are actually Christians so if you are starting to get the impression that the vast majority of this world will perish then you are absolutely correct. The believers who follow the devil often try to justify their sin by twisting the meaning of 1 John 1:8-1O or Romans 3:10, 3:23 and 7. They love to claim that Paul was a sinner and they often use the Romans 7 scripture to try and back up their lies. They fail to realize that we have all been sinners at one time in our lives and Paul was simply relating how he was a sinner until he was freed by knowing Christ. They clearly overlook how Paul related that he had died to sin and he was no longer a slave to sin in Romans 6. With the I John 1:8-10 scripture it is simply relating that everyone is born a sinner since we are all born in sin and ignorance of truth. It is saying that this is why we need to repent and confess our sins to God so that He will then forgive us. It is also stating that anyone who believes that they have never sinned is then calling God a liar. But nowhere is this scripture ever relating that a believer will always sin as those who follow the devil desire to believe. Romans 3:10 is simply relating that none of us are righteous since we are all born in sin and this is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning. Romans 3:23 is actually stating the same thing since we are all born in sin and we all fall short of the glory of God. Sometimes they will even try to use Romans 6:23 to justify why they sin and they clearly have no idea that this scripture is relating that if you sin then you will eternally die, hence “the wages of sin is death.” They also like to claim that the apostles were sinners themselves and they often use Peter denying Christ as their example. Now did the apostles live in sin at some time in their life? They most definitely did since everyone is born in sin and in ignorance of truth. But the apostles were believers who allowed Jesus to sanctify their heart in God’s truth and they learned how to overcome their sins. This is why God then used them as His messengers and He gave them His power to heal. Read John 17:6-19 where Jesus prayed for their sanctification. Now when it comes to the sicknesses in their lives many of them try to justify their afflictions by claiming that Paul’s thorn in the flesh was a sickness. For some reason many of them desire to believe that Paul possessed sickness in his life and that he had bad eyesight. Acts 19 and 28 relates how Paul was able to remove the sickness from everyone who came to him so what could possibly make these people think that he was someone who had sickness in his own life? Couldn’t Paul just remove the sickness from himself as he did with those who came to him for healing? Plus if Paul was bitten by a venomous snake and yet it did him no harm how could anyone possibly believe that Paul was someone who could then get sick himself? Paul’s thorn in the flesh was not a sickness and these people clearly prove that they do not understand God or scripture. What does a thorn in the flesh do? Well it causes pain and suffering. So just as Jesus suffered in the wilderness by being tempted by Satan, Jesus then allowed Satan to tempt Paul in order to make him stronger in the Holy Spirit. “And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.” II Corinthians 12:7-10 NKJV Now allow me to give you a couple of other scriptures that they often like to use. 1 Timothy 5:23 and Galatians 4:13. Realize that most of these people are probably reading from a bible version that has translated the word infirmity into meaning a sickness. Infirmity means physical or mental weakness and it is not a sickness. This is why people are simply twisting scripture verses in order to justify the sin and the sicknesses that they possess in their lives. Look here: “Don’t drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often.” 1 Timothy 5:23 NLT “No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities.” I Timothy 5:23 NKJV “Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News.” Galatians 4:13 NLT “You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first.” Galatians 4:13 NKJV There are over 2000 different bible versions that all have different translations and different meanings and this is what is leading many of them astray since some have translated the word infirmity to mean a sickness. When Paul was relating how he was stoned, shipwrecked and whipped scripture uses the word infirmity to relate the many sufferings of Paul. “If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.” II Corinthians 11:30 NKJV Many others will try to manipulate what the John 9:3 is relating. The disciples already knew that sin was the reason that the man was born blind but they wanted Jesus to pinpoint who’s sin actually caused the blindness. Jesus did not desire to pinpoint who’s sin caused the disability to His disciples and so He simply made a generalization statement that told them how things were going to turn out so that God could be glorified. Scripture relates over and over how sin will bring sickness and death into our lives. Plus Jesus did not say that it was not sin that caused the man’s blindness. He simply stated that it was neither the man nor his parents sin who caused it. So it could have been sin from the grandparents or from some other ancestor for that matter. “And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:6-7 NKJV Some others will use Philippians 2:25-26 about Epaphroditus and once again they prove their ignorance of scripture. They forget that we are all born in sin and in ignorance of God’s truth. So you may be a believer but you can still be deceived and lack knowledge of scripture as so many are. So if you have never been sanctified in truth by the Holy Spirit then you definitely still possess sin and sickness in your life even though you may believe in Jesus. Lastly some of them try and use Job and others from the Old Covenant to justify their sicknesses. When they try to use anyone from the Old Covenant they certainly reveal their complete ignorance of scripture since they prove that they do not even understand the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Yes scripture relates that Job was a righteous man but once again we are all born in sin and ignorance and this included Job. So even though Job lived righteously he still possessed sin in his life since there was no forgiveness of sins under the Old Covenant since Jesus had not arrived yet. Finally some will simply claim that sin has nothing to do with sickness and they deny the very words that were spoken by Jesus Himself. “But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.” John 5:13-14 NKJV So if you foolishly believe that you are a child of God who can sin and who can get sick then try and prove your misguided belief with scripture. Provide one scripture verse where God instructed you to live in sin or where God stated that you will always sin or could never stop sinning. Provide one scripture verse where God stated that a person who possesses sin and sickness in their life is His child. Provide one scripture verse that states that a Christian will possess sickness in their lives or where scripture states that sickness is a normal part of this life. There are no such scriptures and that is why the believers who follow the devil’s lies need to twist scripture verses in order to justify their beliefs.
I’d like to see a church who doesn’t tithe. I support doing away with tax exemptions for any religious, political or cultural group. Maybe a reduced tax rate.
I've just heard from a church that you're not required to tithing. I've been told that if you don't tithe your under a curse and your finances, but the scripture say to give with joy in your heart.
That’s the best teaching I have ever heard. It makes you want to give freely. Thanks Dr. Brown
Finally a well known biblical teacher in America teaching the truth about tithing and giving. So good, thank you Dr. Brown.
I've just heard from a church that you're not required to tithe, and I've been told that if you don't tithe your under a curse and your finances, but the scripture say to give with joy in your heart.
This is a lie. If you read Malachi as a whole, tithing has absolutely nothing to do with the NT church
Thank you Dr Brown. I get so tired of seeing ministers put so much pressure on the poorest of the poor, including widows on social security, to tithe to their church and make them feel so guilty if they don't.That doesn't refute the law of generosity that you were talking about but so many people I believe are under such condemnation and pressure to tithe that they don't even get the blessing from it because they're under so much pressure and compulsion. Especially the elderly living on very limited funds of their social security benefits. I am a senior with a disability and live off the generosity of my children and some government disability. Although my basic needs are taken care of, my income is still considered below poverty level. I do not tithe.
I do , however, step out and give whenever I feel God is leading me to and I also sponsor an orphan with a well-known international Christian organization and have been doing this for 13 years. When I was younger and working a job I faithfully and joyfully tithed because I wanted to not because I felt that I needed to.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail
(Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Dr Brown is not being fully honest to the whole of New Testament giving. Malachi 3 has a curse attached. No tither I have met can say they have so much that they don't have room enough to give. Eleven of the founding apostles were killed. What happened to their harvest. Give as you purpose in your own heart. New testament giving is not "beyond" the tithe.....
I’ve learned so much from this channel and this video was one of the eye openers. Thank you doctor Michael
Loved the stories about giving! I've had a few interesting financial miracles, too, that showed me how much He cares about and uses everything in our lives, to teach us spiritual truth and show us His love!
Thank you for the great teaching Dr. Brown.
Fantastic Teaching, Dr.Brown.
All this Years i was Dwinddling between Tithe or Not Tithing in Church.
But i gave what i could, hoping that One Day i Am able to Tithe according to the Requirements.
Today, You have ENLIGHTENED Me.
With the Highlight of Sha'ul's First Fruit Giving at the Begining of every week, it has Motivated Me to do the same after My Sabbath Rest.
And will look into some Directions of My Giving in this New Understanding that i've learned from You.
Once again, Thank You.
Shalom Aleichem
New Testament verse on giving.
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
2 Cor. 9:7
This has really blessed me Dr. Brown. Thank the Lord for giving you wisdom to help the body of Christ. God bless you.
@ASKDrBrown Thank you so much for this! I would love to see this as a regular feature. How about TEACHING TUESDAYS? 😸
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Well that awesome!!thanks heaps Brother Michael and the team.
I really liked the way this was all layed out and explained in an easy to understand way as this issue for tithing,giving etc has confused me at times.
I will keep, treasure and practice the message of being generous with love via the holy spirit in support of the ministries and burdens that God has given to my heart.
Bless ya Doctor Michael and team from Australia
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I do appreciate your teaching!!!
Well said and very clear!
Love your stories dr. Brown. God is so good.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail
(Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
@@brown69211 I abide in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and He in Me, Therefore NO evil shall befall me. I claim His Promise in Jesus name. Jesus Loves you, seek Him my friend.
Thank you so much for this.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail
(Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Great teaching
Thank you
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail
(Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Yes!!! This is on-point!
The tradition of men makes the word of GOD of non-effect! I struggle with this!
15years ago tithing at the time, I was just doing my normal bible study and came across Acts 15:1-35 long story short after much studying found out the tithe is not for today, which if I told anybody in my church I would be an outcast and could not work in ministry (tithing is required to work in my church). so kept my mouth shut so I could keep working, left wondering what is the intent of the heart of Pastors either they don't know or do know which both are problems the latter being worse. just teach the truth as presented in the word of GOD!
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This was something I needed. Thank you very much
If your hearts right God will let you know exactly what of yours He requires 👋🏽
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Very good!
Tithing change my life l start doing it with no prompting when I was going through financial hard times, giving tithing changes every thing financially don’t understand how it happened but thanks be to God I had no regrets
Most of Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John is still Old Testament under the Law. For Jesus had not yet died.
“[16] In the case of a will it is necessary to prove that the person who made it has died, [17] for a will means nothing while the person who made it is alive; it comes into effect only after his death.”
Hebrews 9:16-17
I believe a person can also tithe time and talents besides a donation from our earnings.
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We don't need to "tithe" anything. We can just live generously with our time, talents and money. Depending on the needs of the moment, it can be pennies or 90%.
You aren't required by scripture to tithe anything
Hi Dr Brown:
Thank you for all your videos, and your heart for God
I've listened to the arguments for tithing, I have tithed for most of my working career, I think tithing is a good thing it helps us to be good stewards of what God has given us, it's really not our money.....however :):):)
Tithing for the most part is associated with the OT law - we are new testament - we are not under the law but under grace, if you look at how the new testament treats the moral code in the OT it appears that each time it goes "you used to be under the law, now you are under grace" - it repeatedly takes the requirements and turns it into a matter of the heart and spirit, this is very consistent E.g. do not kill to don't hate. From the external to the internal.
Matt 8:3,4 Jesus heals the leper and tells him to go to the priest is similar to Matt 23:23 where Jesus is speaking to people under the law and tells them to follow the OT rules.
I consider myself a Berean Christian, to say definitively that the new testament commands us to tithe and that I'm a sinner when I don't is at best a hermeneutically weak and harmful extrapolation of these verses, the NT has several verses that definitively state that we are not under the law, I read that as a total approach, we shouldn't add to that an exception of tithing. If you look at the logic of churches that are strong on tithing, it's a little eerie how it follows similar paths with the middle age indulgences logic.
There are many verses in the NT that tell us to love, to be generous, to be helpful to our fellow man and obviously to support our local church/pastors - and so we should
My situation is I'm retired, fixed income, my daughter and grandson are transitioning through a divorce from an alcoholic - a situation that would be very harmful for herself and her son to stay in.
I would happily tithe - it sure would be less expensive LOL, but as her dad there is no part of me that would abandon her because "I am under a NT tithe law". When my pastor says from the pulpit that I'm a sinner when I don't tithe - I don't like it, but given the choice to support my daughter or tithe because my income just isn't enough to do both, guess what my choice is, my hope and prayer is that she will reestablish herself soon so I can return to the traditional tithe.
Thanks again for your ministry, pursuit of the truth - I very much respect what you say and your heart for God. While I'm all on board with pastors being strong against sin, they need to realize that when they are hammering their congregations on the tithe issue they much of the time are introducing guilt and shame to their flock - to me that runs contrary to being a good shepherd conveying a message of a loving graceful merciful God. I'm real strong on God is not a genie, that when we give Him 100 He will give back x amt in return, that to me is very wrong.
Ok I'm done, God bless, be safe.
Luke 6:38 is not talking about money. Context is key!
2Corinthian chapters 8-9 is Paul making a collection for the poor Saints Jewish believers who sold all they had to prepare for the 7yr tribulation. Peter told Paul to take care of the poor Jewish believers in Galatians 2:10.
According to what honors God is our faith , not what we give. Jesus told us though when we see someone in need and we help them it says we are doing so to him. He said when you feed someone who has nothing to eat you are feeding him.
Amen
This is going to be interesting..
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God know you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (PRECIOUS MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in Edo State Nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp (+2348109875769). or e-mail
(Preciousmotherlessfoundation@gmail.com) tell him I sent you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit faith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you..
Instead of just concluding that we're not under the Old Testament law of tithing, I was hoping to see a fuller explanation of what the Old Testament tithing actually was.
The tithe under the Levitical system is described as giving of raw production in most cases. Giving grain instead of processed into bread, giving animals instead of butchered meat, etc. Grapes were processed into wine because that's how it was stored.
The question of whether tithing was on gross or net income, is not answered by whether you want gross or net blessings, but that it was described as being 100% of all monetary income, but more as being sharecropper rent on agricultural income from the Promised Land.
Deut 14:22-25 describes tithe as being not-money, since it wouldn't make sense to turn money into money.
I'm not finding commands for the butcher, baker, blacksmith or the hireling to tithe from their payments.
The phrase 'windows of heaven' is sending rain in due season, not a conduit to shower the giver with coins. Mal 3:10 was saying that if the Levites gave their tenth-of-tenth to the temple, that the nation's harvests would be blessed so that the Levites themselves would receive such an increased tithe - that when they gave their tenth from that, the temple wouldn't be able to hold all of that.
The anecdotes about immediate rewards from giving money you can't afford - could have been tempered by 1 Timothy 5:8 that you should provide for your family, and that applies both to bringing home a sufficient paycheck, as well as not using too much of the money in ways that doesn't leave enough remaining for providing for your family, and that includes giving too much.
Sharecroppers didn't own the land so they weren't obligated to tithe their harvest
Prior to the institution of Kings Israel didn't pay "taxes". So gross versus net income doesn't make any sense to me...And I am not about giving money you can't afford. Your reference to Timothy works.
@@bigviewsmallwindow8335 gross vs net is about deducting expenses. does the farmer deduct the cost of seed? payments to hirelings? payment for farm equipment? fees to blacksmiths, etc.
When ranchers tithed every 10th animal that went under the rod, this wasn't giving the first 10th to god, and there's no language about deducting 2nd year animals eaten by wolves or stolen by thieves.
I was visiting a church on a Sunday evening where the pastor from the pulpit called out someone who was sitting in the church pew he called that person a crook and said that he was robbing God because he didn’t bring the tithe he then was told to leave he was literally thrown out for not bringing the tithe my wife and I walked out of that church and never returned because it was all about the money and not the salvation of the souls, Jesus died in the cross for that person and that young man was thrown out of the church 😭 if we have no love we’re nothing
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Wow. Thats sad they kicked out someone for not paying up. It makes it seems like tithe is a membership fee to attend that church.
@@dgh5223apparently it was at that church
“of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:29-31 KJV
“[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole NATION (Israel).”
Malachi 3:9
This verse is not written too nor talking too the church (body of Christ). Context is key!
1. Who’s talking
2. Who is it talking too
3. When and where is it taking place
Dr. Brown, I believe the controversy on tithing is not about giving it but those receiving it. The controversy about those receiving it is not about supporting them but on them, been lavished by it. If Churches have gotten so much that Pastors can buy jets, will people continue to give? Certainly not. Because, the purpose of supporting the minister would have been over achieved. I believe our love for God is very telling by what we also do with our wealth. It should honor Him. So, your point is very valid. Generosity is an arm of righteousness and by doing so, God sees the need to give us more. But, we have not been called to make Ministers rich and this will mean, we should ask God for wisdom in how we spend our money for His sake.
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I know hundreds of nonbelievers who don’t give a -- about God, and they are blessed with children and material wealth. On the other hand, I know many poor Christians who tithe and gave generously to the church, believing that they will be blessed with wealth and children but received none. Please explain.
Exactly. The 21st century American Church is mixing OT law with NT teaching but no NT verses say anything about a required 10% gross tithe. The problem is that all these churches and ministries with their fancy buildings, conferences and guest speaker have created financial obligations that members are expected to pay the bills for. I don't see Paul teaching this kind of empire building formula to Timothy at all. And we wonder why America is so far from God...
2 timothy 2:15 Rightly divide but many dont rightly divide Isreals laws and Bofy of Christ... this a joke because there is no law for those under grace...
Paul said we are in Body of Christ not in Law read Galatians and Romans...
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse. Then there will be food in My House. Now test Me in this”-says Adonai-Tzva’ot-“if I will not open for you the windows of heaven, and pour out blessing for you, until no one is without enough." Malachai 3:10. All God's people should tithe. And give it gladly not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing.God is true to His word. You will see blessings beyond what you have given.
We are not under the law. The purpose of tithing under the law has nothing to do with the church today. Read all of Malachi not just one overused verse out of context
biblical tithing is always from the food. Never from the money!
@Desire Of All Nations wrong!
Desire, when Jesus said that, he was not talking about tithing. He was talking about giving. Obviously.
@Desire Of All Nations You are mis-quoting Scripture. When Jesus held up the coin, he said “Give to Caeser what belongs to Caeser and give to God what belongs to God”. When Jesus said “Give ro Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser - he was referring to the coin which had Caeser’s image. When He said “Give to God what belongs to God” - he was not refering to money -which does not bear God’s image. He was saying we should give to God that which bears God’s image - that is our very selves,
@Desire Of All Nations That was about taxes. Not tithes!
Should you go into debt just because you give because you don't have enough to give? Is this a sin not to give when the word of God says that we shouldn't be in debt?
You say give to the local church where you are fed,nourished etc.There is other ways to give,i.e time and talents.
If the church you go to is already amply supplied too then give financially to where it is needed.Many christians outside the west have very little resources, materially and spiritually -bibles,study bibles and other needs.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer is as true of the church as it is of the world -think about it.
Give to gospel work locally and worldwide where the need is great.This will give you great joy and enthusiasm in Christs service
For Gen 14, to be understand who gave who.. we need to read Hebr. 7:2. Than we understand that Abraham gave Melchizedek.
Were not under law...Isreal and Body of Christ is not the same...Tithing is under law for Isreal...Body of Christ is suppose to give cheerfully any amount no set amount...
The Bible never taught that tithe is money. In fact, the Bible teaches that you (Hebrew) may sell your tithe and get money to get what your soul desires.
It’s amazing how people comment but they clearly having listened to the video critically. This subject gives believers and pastors alike great cognitive dissonance. If we would approach the scriptures with an open heart and humility, along with sound contextual teaching, the Spirit would give us understanding.
What about the pastors that tell you you’re under a curse if you don’t tithe ?
It is error to use Malachi as a proof text for tithing.....smh
They are simply lying to trick and scare you to give money to them by making you feel obligated
Explain this….we were faithful tithers and wanted to get a new car because we had junky old cars. We got new car but couldn’t pay notes on time because of paying tithe. We weren’t well to do. We were a young couple living in a 10’x55’ trailer. We had to give up our new car to my sinning, non tithing brother in law and we went back to using junky old car. I thought we were going to be blessed but we were cursed!!! Fast forward 30 years later and I discover tithes was food grown and 10% was given to priest to put in actual storehouses, not churches. They actual gave three different tithes. We stopped tithing but give and God still blessing us. I think God blesses more when you give but bible don’t say what to give.
I went broke tithing
What do you say about a pastor who says you will bring a curse upon yourself or walking In disobedience if you don’t tithe
They aren't using scripture for that opinion
What Bible version are you using, I don't read Hebrew .
first fruits belong to God... the most likely reason that God did not respect Cain's offering.. which is Genesis 4... that is not the tithe.. but it WAS expected by God and was probably the basics of the tithe
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Wait, I don’t think I understand we don’t have to tithe but we should give 10% because we should be generous?
From what I understand, we are not to focus on a certain percentage but just on the concept of being generous to support God's work and those teachers that bless us with spiritual knowledge. So we would give as we are financially able and according to what God puts on our hearts to give. Hope this helps. God bless. 🌻
@@TC-gx3qn YEAH! But that ain't how they tell it! Quote: shall a man rob God! Or give it Jesus name. Never have I heard give whatever God lays on your heart!
@@jeralec8564 what
@@jeralec8564 : ) I have experienced this on a very personal level. There was a season where God laid it on my heart to give twenty percent.
@@TC-gx3qn in life we experience lots of things but it's not necessarily God. Sometimes God will be gracious to us even in the midst of our ignorance but it still doesn't validate who he is on a higher level. We need to study to show ourselves approved. Tithing was for the levites/priests, the widow/poor and a personal responsibility in times to present oneself during the feast. 2/3s of the tithe they can't claim and the other 1/3 with all the money they pulling in is only a fraction.
Not very good teaching ..too long....but i do agree there is no command for new testament tithing.
Matthew 22:15-22, Jesus said give Caesar what is Caesar's and God what is God's. What is the context here? Money, paying taxes or tribute. Give the government the taxes they require (taxes) and God what He requires (tithe). It was required under the law to give the first fruit of all your increase. Jesus never lowered the standard of the OT, but raised it. Jesus was reiterating the principle, like He did many.
Wrong!
@@jeralec8564 then explain
Read Hebrews 8
@@christiancurcio2576 the tithes were only for the tribe of Levi. Because they had no inheritance. There also was a tithe for the stranger, widow and orphan. Today there is not a levitical priesthood, so what part are these false prophets claiming. The part for the stranger, widow and orphan. Well, even if this is the case their not doing a faction of what their pulling in ! Or maybe the part which was to be when one was to present himself before the Lord during the feasts. NOT! That was a personal tithe!
Just the perfect response. These NT does not need to repeat OT principles, because the OT isn't old. But agree with Dr. Brown that the standard in the NT is higher, it's spiritual, not ritualistic.
I don't like this response to the false doctrine of monetary tithing. His response its not as plain as it should be, he made this way more complicated than what it is. It's very simple, He's still trying to convince people to give with a motive, when that's not the issue. The issue is the false doctrine of monetary tithing. He even took the scriptures of supporting of ministers out of context. If you study the 2 Corinthians 9 Paul made it clear he did not use that right, but they harp on those scriptures to make use of that right. You don't have to teach people to give the scriptures are clear and that fruit will bear.
If you want to know where somebody’s heart is, follow their money. Where your heart is thats where your money will go.
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That story where God took you to Mal. 3 was Him showing you to trust Him. There was already a flow of monies to and from you based on your faith in God. In that moment you took your eyes off Him and did the math. But You prevailed in faith. However I don't think God was saying to go start a church and pronounce curses on everyone who doesn't give up to that OT 10% standard ... which is what we are being taught today. I am all for giving to the ministry. Even giving 10%. But not under teaching that says I'm cursed if I don't. I refuse to align with that. I would say tithing under the New testament is strictly a principle not a commandment. Like fasting is a spiritual principle or discipline. We should do it but the Lord does not curse us if we don't.
And Hebrews 7 harkens back to Genesis 14 not Malachi 3. If Abraham did not give based on the law (but gave of free will) then we shouldn't have to since he's the father of our faith.
The bible doesn't give us the option of monetizing the tithe. That was man's idea. Nowhere in the bible was there a tithe received from earned wages and the ceremonial and civil ordinances that facilitated biblical, systematic tithing are now obsolete.
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Matthews 5 17 says what?
He fulfilled the law. From that point on we are to follow Jesus' commandments.
@@Porklion wrong!
Read Hebrews 8
@@Porklion read Revelations 22:14
@@jeralec8564 very good. His commandments. Jesus' commandments. Even at that, this is an interesting verse because of a dispute between if the verse should say this or as it is in the revised versions that read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates." Washing their robes as in becoming clean through the blood of Christ.
Revelation 22:14 ESV
You are free to research this topic on your own time.
As well, in the totality of scripture it is very clear that we are to obey God's most important commandment...
"And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us."
1 John 3:23 ESV
So every commandment under the Sinai covenant is nullified, but you still quote out of proverbs and psalms? So every commandment and principle from Exodus 20-Acts 2 has been rendered void? I love and respect you Dr. Brown but where's the logical consistency? How can we believe that God and His word don't change, but then go on and act like He changes His mind and nullifies His own Word on a daily basis? Just food for thought.
Christian's are not under the Sinai covenant, we are under the New Covenant and follow Jesus' commandments. He was quoting from those books to show what it meant to them at the time and where the idea came from. There are many commandments that crossover that Jesus either reinforces/adds to/ or doesn't mention at all.
Read Hebrews 8
Tithing is prior to Sinai covenant. It was voluntary and an act of gratitude.
The basic principle of tithing is giving to God. It is not given to the Pastor. But unfortunately, Pastors look upon it as their wages, relying on Paul.
Most of the scandals in Christianity are because of the abuse of tithe money.
Please note that money cannot purchase God's goodness or salvation.
@@Porklion enough with the one hit wonder. Precept must be upon precept and line must be upon line. This verse is dealing with the law of sacrifice which has been done away with, read on. The part the deals with in our hearts simply means we will do his commandments instead of reading and using jetti mind tricks to make ourselves believe that when we believe in Jesus thats all needed. That is a LIE!
@@jeralec8564 no, it's the core doctrine of Christianity. Show me where it says it is only talking about sacrifice in that passage. It clearly says "laws," plural. Jesus said to follow his commandments and he never commanded keeping the Sabbath, rather, he did works on the Sabbath and allowed those with him to do works on the Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
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I hardly ever disagree with you. But this one I do disagree with you. You dismissed Jesus' encouragement to practice, justice, mercy and faithfulness while not neglecting the tithe as simply Him talking to the Pharisees and not applicable to us. (should we practice justice, mercy and faithfulness?) If we took that logic, then being born again would only be for Nicodemus, the Pharisee or Jesus teachings on Marriage (Matt 19) just for the Pharisees and the Jewish people, yet the disciples took Jesus' discussions with the Pharisees to heart for themselves. Reconsider your view on Jesus' teachings to Pharisees, Samaritans, Lawyers, Sadducees, Pontius Pilate as being true for us today. No matter who Jesus spoke to, His words will never pass away. The church fathers discussed this topic on whether tithing was for Christians, and ultimately, they decided that Christians should tithe too, based on what Jesus said. I think they showed respect to Jesus words.
I also strongly disagree with you Tom Brown. If Jesus explained something pertaining to the Law of Moses to Jews, He was right to do so because they were under the law (including Jesus himself -Galatians 4:4-5) and His disciples will take it personally too because they were Jews and under the law too at the time. Justice, mercy and faithfulness exist outside the mosaic law and Christians can make sense of that even if Jesus addresses these to Pharisees. Jesus' encounter with Nicodemus had nothing to do with obedience to the mosaic law; it was about eternal life which is the purpose for which Jesus came. I'll say you're the one to rather reconsider your views of Jesus' teachings in the light of sound scriptural hermeneutics. Context is very important Tom. Who are the so-called church fathers? I bet you're not talking about the Apostles of Jesus Christ because they never taught that. No one cares about what the "church fathers" discussed and decided. What matters is what the Bible teaches. Shalom
@@solomonamankwahobiriyeboah2665 Amen! Good word.
read Acts 15 the entire not 1 new convert ever was told to tithe not 1 gentile was told to tithe at no time was tithieing being preached Mal 3-8 was never preached period
You must forsake everything. Luke 14:33.
A Christian cannot sin nor can a Christian ever get sick since they are a child who is now born of God. The majority of believers are not Christians though since they have been deceived by the devil and they are willingly following him. Their eyes have been blinded to God’s truth and so they twist scripture verses in order to justify the sin and the sicknesses that they possess in their life.
There is no sin and sickness with God nor is there sin and sickness for anyone who is born of God. Scripture relates that sin and sickness is strictly of the devil and it can only be found in the souls who belong to the devil since they are disobeying God and His commands.
A Christian is someone who lives exactly “like Christ.” Jesus did not sin and a child born of God cannot sin either. This is how the term Christian originated since the disciples became followers of Christ who no longer sinned. There are very very few of us who are actually Christians so if you are starting to get the impression that the vast majority of this world will perish then you are absolutely correct.
The believers who follow the devil often try to justify their sin by twisting the meaning of 1 John 1:8-1O or Romans 3:10, 3:23 and 7. They love to claim that Paul was a sinner and they often use the Romans 7 scripture to try and back up their lies. They fail to realize that we have all been sinners at one time in our lives and Paul was simply relating how he was a sinner until he was freed by knowing Christ. They clearly overlook how Paul related that he had died to sin and he was no longer a slave to sin in Romans 6. With the I John 1:8-10 scripture it is simply relating that everyone is born a sinner since we are all born in sin and ignorance of truth. It is saying that this is why we need to repent and confess our sins to God so that He will then forgive us. It is also stating that anyone who believes that they have never sinned is then calling God a liar. But nowhere is this scripture ever relating that a believer will always sin as those who follow the devil desire to believe. Romans 3:10 is simply relating that none of us are righteous since we are all born in sin and this is why we needed a savior to teach us how to stop sinning. Romans 3:23 is actually stating the same thing since we are all born in sin and we all fall short of the glory of God.
Sometimes they will even try to use Romans 6:23 to justify why they sin and they clearly have no idea that this scripture is relating that if you sin then you will eternally die, hence “the wages of sin is death.”
They also like to claim that the apostles were sinners themselves and they often use Peter denying Christ as their example. Now did the apostles live in sin at some time in their life? They most definitely did since everyone is born in sin and in ignorance of truth. But the apostles were believers who allowed Jesus to sanctify their heart in God’s truth and they learned how to overcome their sins. This is why God then used them as His messengers and He gave them His power to heal. Read John 17:6-19 where Jesus prayed for their sanctification.
Now when it comes to the sicknesses in their lives many of them try to justify their afflictions by claiming that Paul’s thorn in the flesh was a sickness. For some reason many of them desire to believe that Paul possessed sickness in his life and that he had bad eyesight. Acts 19 and 28 relates how Paul was able to remove the sickness from everyone who came to him so what could possibly make these people think that he was someone who had sickness in his own life? Couldn’t Paul just remove the sickness from himself as he did with those who came to him for healing? Plus if Paul was bitten by a venomous snake and yet it did him no harm how could anyone possibly believe that Paul was someone who could then get sick himself?
Paul’s thorn in the flesh was not a sickness and these people clearly prove that they do not understand God or scripture. What does a thorn in the flesh do? Well it causes pain and suffering. So just as Jesus suffered in the wilderness by being tempted by Satan, Jesus then allowed Satan to tempt Paul in order to make him stronger in the Holy Spirit.
“And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.”
II Corinthians 12:7-10 NKJV
Now allow me to give you a couple of other scriptures that they often like to use. 1 Timothy 5:23 and Galatians 4:13. Realize that most of these people are probably reading from a bible version that has translated the word infirmity into meaning a sickness. Infirmity means physical or mental weakness and it is not a sickness. This is why people are simply twisting scripture verses in order to justify the sin and the sicknesses that they possess in their lives. Look here:
“Don’t drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often.”
1 Timothy 5:23 NLT
“No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities.”
I Timothy 5:23 NKJV
“Surely you remember that I was sick when I first brought you the Good News.”
Galatians 4:13 NLT
“You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first.”
Galatians 4:13 NKJV
There are over 2000 different bible versions that all have different translations and different meanings and this is what is leading many of them astray since some have translated the word infirmity to mean a sickness. When Paul was relating how he was stoned, shipwrecked and whipped scripture uses the word infirmity to relate the many sufferings of Paul.
“If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.”
II Corinthians 11:30 NKJV
Many others will try to manipulate what the John 9:3 is relating. The disciples already knew that sin was the reason that the man was born blind but they wanted Jesus to pinpoint who’s sin actually caused the blindness. Jesus did not desire to pinpoint who’s sin caused the disability to His disciples and so He simply made a generalization statement that told them how things were going to turn out so that God could be glorified. Scripture relates over and over how sin will bring sickness and death into our lives. Plus Jesus did not say that it was not sin that caused the man’s blindness. He simply stated that it was neither the man nor his parents sin who caused it. So it could have been sin from the grandparents or from some other ancestor for that matter.
“And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”
Exodus 34:6-7 NKJV
Some others will use Philippians 2:25-26 about Epaphroditus and once again they prove their ignorance of scripture. They forget that we are all born in sin and in ignorance of God’s truth. So you may be a believer but you can still be deceived and lack knowledge of scripture as so many are. So if you have never been sanctified in truth by the Holy Spirit then you definitely still possess sin and sickness in your life even though you may believe in Jesus.
Lastly some of them try and use Job and others from the Old Covenant to justify their sicknesses. When they try to use anyone from the Old Covenant they certainly reveal their complete ignorance of scripture since they prove that they do not even understand the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Yes scripture relates that Job was a righteous man but once again we are all born in sin and ignorance and this included Job. So even though Job lived righteously he still possessed sin in his life since there was no forgiveness of sins under the Old Covenant since Jesus had not arrived yet.
Finally some will simply claim that sin has nothing to do with sickness and they deny the very words that were spoken by Jesus Himself.
“But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
John 5:13-14 NKJV
So if you foolishly believe that you are a child of God who can sin and who can get sick then try and prove your misguided belief with scripture.
Provide one scripture verse where God instructed you to live in sin or where God stated that you will always sin or could never stop sinning.
Provide one scripture verse where God stated that a person who possesses sin and sickness in their life is His child.
Provide one scripture verse that states that a Christian will possess sickness in their lives or where scripture states that sickness is a normal part of this life.
There are no such scriptures and that is why the believers who follow the devil’s lies need to twist scripture verses in order to justify their beliefs.
I’d like to see a church who doesn’t tithe. I support doing away with tax exemptions for any religious, political or cultural group. Maybe a reduced tax rate.