1944: When The US Wanted To Bomb Auschwitz | Should We Bomb Auschwitz? | Timeline
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- In April 1944, two Jewish prisoners miraculously escaped from Auschwitz. When they recounted what they had left behind, their harrowing testimony revealed the true horror of the Holocaust to the outside world for the first time. They described in forensic detail the gas chambers and the full extent of the extermination programme. The news they brought presented the Allies with one of the greatest moral questions of the 20th century: Should we bomb Auschwitz?
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One of my favourite escape stories.. when I first learned about the story of Vrba and Bretzel I can't believe it was a real story.
Never heard of these two guys before... 😔 What an amazing story.
It blows my mind on how people could be so evil to do such things to another human being. It's beyond evilness to me.
This was the worst thing that could happen to humanity it’s really sad sometimes people are put in these spots and feel like they need to do what they need to do to survive but did you know the United States brought their scientist to work in NASA they kept those minds alive
@@Loveiseverywhere10 Yes, the U.S took in more than 700 scientists, because they were so advanced in their fields. So, they brought their minds here to advance America. There is nothing wrong with that. But you can't compare that to the mass killings of millions of innocent people in some of the worst ways imaginable.
There's a movie made about this story, called The Auschwitz Report from 2021.
Most of the reasons why Auschwitz wasn't bombed were touched on in this vid. But one reason was not fully explored, and that is the military men running the war for the Allies had one objective - to win. They assumed those running the war in Germany had the same objective, and they couldn't fathom Germany would divert such massive resources from their war effort to carry out an ideological pursuit that had no military value. The Germans were losing on three fronts. It didn't make sense to the Allied military commanders and I'm not sure they fully believed or understood the reports coming out of Auschwitz. My dad was a POW at Lamsdorf, in the same part of Poland as Auschwitz. I've been to Auschwitz and have talked to guides and the local historians about this.
plus the Allies intentions had nothing to do with saving Jews
You fail to realize how big WWII was. It is the equivalent of asking why someone drowned if they knew they could not swim.
Yeah honestly letting the Germans pursue the holocaust would have sadly contributed to the Allies victory. Depletion of resources, labor, trains, etc. etc.
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Some places were bombed but majority of it still stands till this day rip to all that have lost there lives on this horrific and sad day 😢
Interesting and informative documentary on the account of the bombing of Auschwitz and the two young men who escaped to get the info out what was happening. I have never heard of this before in a historical documentary. Thanks for an important part of Holocaust history.
Absolutely Heartbreaking. But, I learned from watching this one. It should be taught in schools all over the world. Lest, we forget and History repeats itself.. Prayers for the survivors 🙏🙏🙏
History shall repeat itself if you don’t learn from it humanity has lost itself more than ever 😞
In regards to stopping the Holocaust, there's not much the Allies could've done. Take into account that there are 42,500 camps total, the Holocaust would've continued and not to mention the severe reprisals that would've happened. The only way to really stop the Holocaust in its tracks for good was to win the war. If anyone wants to know more about the story shown on screen, I highly recommend a book titled The Escape Artist by Johnathan Freedland. It's easily my favorite book despite the grim subject it pertains to.
Of all the camps that existed there were only 14 camps labeled death camps.
I had never heard about these two brave young men. Eighty years later this among other realities of World War II need to be taught to adults (younger than we boomers) as well as children, as we face a new force of evil against Israel and all Jews around the world. Thank you for this presentation.
Need to read a book once in awhile
@@GeorgAndexlerAndexler no need to be rude. I had relatives that saw the war first hand from that perspective, traveled and I've read many books during the past seven decades.
Too bad it seems the IDF are today's SS. This sadly is the way of humans. "They're different than us, they must be annihilated..."
I suggest that you read about the Jasenovac concentration camp. That's probably one of the "realities of WW2" as you called them, but one that you weren't aware of.
Make sure you post this video. Get it out into the world. Propaganda is rampant in the USA. IT IS Everyone’s responsibility to make sure this does not happen again. Government is not the people’s friend.
because it would have killed a lot of the prisoners
*I notice that more and more people are denying this ever happened.*
There were no 'deniers' right after the war because there were too many people who saw proof with their own eyes. But as more and more of the witnesses passed on, the deniers started to become more. _This should tell you something about the people who say it never happened. More specifically, their lack of courage._
Today the deniers outnumber the survivors. I'm saddened that in a generation this will only be seen as a myth. (despite the visual and written evidence)
I have been in Poland several times! I have travelled throughout Poland to witness every Camp from the first one Stutthof to the horrible one Auschwitz! Germany 🇩🇪 owes Poland 🇵🇱 apology for the next coming years on this planet 🌎 for the unimaginable horrible works from 1940-1945!
As a history professor I felt a sense of responsibility to explain to people why this Holocaust Remembrance Day is different than all others. So, I made a short video and included many resources for people to learn more about the Holocaust. Soon the entire generation of survivors will be gone. Now is the time to learn the lessons of the past.
If only those lessons of the past weren't being repeated at this very moment.
They aren't better than other groups of people.
It's not special. Plenty of other peoples have been holocausted and worse. We've had concentration camps since the civil war all over the world.
And just look at the genocide, prison camps going on today.
@@deborahdean8867 You are wrong Deborah. Yes, there are other examples of genocide but the factory annihilation of 6 million people is different, especially in post-enlightenment societies. I am not Jewish but I am a historian.
@@jamestwilkins875 oh, you mean if you have one camp where you fence in people, don't allow them to leave without government permission, ration all food and medicine, ( for the last 20 years) , and starve, make people live in filth, without water or medicine, if you just have one camp like that it's not a holocaust or genocide but if you have how many makes it a concentration camp? Or a holocaust? I've listened to scores of holocaust survivor's stories . They talked about how the nazis would force them out of their homes, at gunpoint, and crowd them into ghettos where people literally starved and died of disease. The European ww2 refugees came in and did the SAME EXACT THING. And kept it up to this day.
You should search for some interviews with a Jewish historian originally from Iraq. Very highly regarded . A little short round old man and I cant remember his name. Bald on top with white hair. Glasses. Very informative about the regional events of the last 80 years.
Genocide I'd defined as trying to destroy a people. It doesn't matter what their numbers are. And several officials including Netanyahu have made public statements about their intent to destroy Palestinians ( and Christians by the way) out of the area, and absorb parts of lebanon, syria and Jordan . Not muslims, just Palestinians, arabs and Christians. Some muslims they seem to feel they can live with.
This only talks about a single concentration camp. There were over 30,000 camps at this time
30K? That much?
Treblinka and Sobibor were doing similar but Auschwitz killed the most people.
German Nazis still alive like "We tried to tell you!" but in German of course. "Wir haben versucht, Ihnen etwas über die Juden zu erzählen"
@@GreyStreet14 Yeah but what he won't tell you is that the overwhelming numbers in the camps were Soviet Communists and german political opponents and rabble rousers. Jews didn't suffer the worst at the hands of the Nazis but they're the only ones still talking about it. They teach their children this victim narrative their whole lives. Norman Finkelstein wrote an amazing book on it called "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering"
Wow
My wife and I just finished watching the Series
The TATOOST OF AUSCHWIST
on PEACOCK….
It was unbelievable what happened to these people….
It was amazing what these people did to survive ( the one’s that did )
It’s scary, it could happen again…
A small part of this story was in that series…….
It has and is happening again. Rhawanda in the 90s, Gaza today. Us humans are truly vile creatures to one another....
@@bobbyjohnson2433The other animals have the excuse of their instinct. What's ours?
@@JLakis thats a very good question...
Every time Auschwitz is mentioned some one mentions Gasa. As i said before terrible things are happening in Gasa ,but Israel is not the only one to blame , Hamas is not totally innocent .
Enjoed this documentary 🎬thank you
There are people in my country that want to change how history is taught . When you try to change how it's taught ..you are FULLY intending to repeat it .
Strangely applicable now in 2024.
50 00 000 abortions a year. Legally done.😢
Dangerous collectivist ideology has accelerated tremendously in recent years. Positive discrimination: election based on skin color and group membership in diversity policies are more popular than ever. I'm sure the nazis called their work positive discrimination as well.
Yes, because people like you are trying to set the stage for a new one with sickening lies about Jews.
Not at all. Stop lying. th-cam.com/video/bq9MB9t7WlI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UNWatch
Gaza is the new death camp ! The Zionists are the new Nazi's.
Unbelievable n Shocking!!! Was lead to believe before that Allies only found about genocide of Jews n the extermination camps when they actually liberated the various camps. Shocking the higher ups in the Allies had advanced protocols of the camps !!! Where were their conscience? Kudos for the upload. Thoroughly mind-boggling presentation ! Wished the docudrama was hours longer: so interesting! Anticipating ur next one. Peace
I had read stories like this or similar when I was still in Europe. Every time I see these pictures of Jewish people in Poland I sickened my stomach.
Whole world knows about the holocaust but not one person knows about what happened in Croatia during that same period to my ancestors and my people-Serbian people. Even the Nazis were appalled...make a serial about that, thanks
Because there is one people who believe they have the monopoly of pain. Zionists act abusively in their name and they are so entitled that they can commit genocides event today without the world reaction in accordance.
Sadly, many atrocities worse than WWII Germany are overshadowed. If you made a list of 10 worst humans of the 20th century, the funny mustache man wouldn't even be on it.
I would like to know.
@@dirtyqueen9683 so would I.
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Thank you for continuing to educate people. There is always one face in the footage I look for, he's very close to the end and I see him often and I'm always wondering if anyone knows anything about him. At 57:45 is a man with a lot of black hair. It's just so profound to see someone with this much hair in these photos. I always wondered if anyone knows his name, are there any descendants of his who comes here etc. I would like to know what became of him after liberation, I would like to know his name so I can say a prayer for him. His face just always touches me.
Yes; he looks as if the flesh of his nose and nostrils has been split and partially healed without being sutured after a severe beating or stabbing. Perhaps the bridge of his nose is also deformed from being smashed, or perhaps it's bandaged rudimentarily!
He certainly appears to be haunted by the terror that he has both experienced and had witnessed!
'Just one representative face in a sea of the VICTIMS OF NAZI'S toxic masculinity, as well as philosophical and propagandistic cult of racism, nationalism and personality!
'A mental disease and personality disorder further propagated by modern day Holocaust deniers!
'How barbaric!
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SLAVA UKRAINE!! 🇺🇦
Thank you. How incredibly important this is for such a time as this
I looked at buying a wood fired brick oven for baking until i noticed the door looked like the ones on the ovens in this horrible place.
Totally creeped me out.
Mercedes Benz created those ovens/doors. I will never buy anything they make. Nor will i buy anything made by Mitsubishi. They made the Zeroes for Japan. I am in my 60's, but as a studied history... it has impacted me more and more.
@@bonniejeancampbell3851 Yes I'm in my 60s too.
WW2 was still fresh in everyone's minds when I was growing up.
As far as I know the Japanese still haven't excepted full responsibility for their war crimes.
Germany has.
Well, at least officially Germany has. Yet so many escaped any punishment by fleeing Germany and the areas where the camps were... and were helped to do so by people who obviously didn't care about what they had done. Like Mengele. Others to the US. I remember some time ago a man was arrested from somewhere in the upper midwest and extradited.
Obviously, a whole nation can't be punished as some of those that fought in the German armies had to do so or their family would be killed. And i don't have hate in my heart for the living in either Germany or Japan. Just my private choices to not buy certain things. Eventually, we all will have to answer to God for how we spent our lives. So i leave the rest to Him.
I love Brick or Stone fireplaces.... but without those doors.
What are the Zeroes made by Mitsubishi?@bonniejeancampbell3851
@@alechamid235 An overrated Japanese WWII Naval fighter plane that was obsolete within a year or so after flying off the aircraft carriers that bombed Pearl Harbor and pushed the US into WWII.
“You don’t know where it’s going to happen next.” Well…
Like in the Levant?
@@JLakis Got that right. The Israelis cannot stop the murder and Genocide of Palestinians. . The result of this will shock the world
May happen in USA soon, unless we stand up & fight back. Be prepared. Be aware of current events around the world.
Gaza?
@@torhalle1926all brought on by themselves
Would it have been so difficult to parachute small spec ops teams under the cover of night to destroy the rail lines?
Yes. Impossible. The rail lines were repeatedly bombed and quickly repaired.
@@martinreddy3823constantly repairing rail lines. It was a waste of time bombing them. Your right. Just checking to make sure someone let him know lol.
@@martinreddy3823 That's why you target railroad bridges, they take much longer to repair.
So many of the different resistance groups did exactly that, but the camps continued. 😢😢
I am quite awAre of the staggering loss of men and women at Auswhicch. I am also aware of the loss of people who were equally sent to camps, Siberia, is there any large percentages of how many were also slaughtered in So idt Russia? Di you have numbers? Thank you.
Stalin killed 60 million
So why aren’t the same people saying the US should have bombed Siberia! Dummkopf!
This is the real scary movie .
And there's about to be a sequel
This whole place is so scary!
What place?
why when discussing this does the US attempt to bomb Monovice, missing by4 miles often not mentioned
I'm shocked that as of my writing this there are only 77 views and 16 comments! I hope this reaches more
Looks like TH-cam is suppressing the video. Should not surprise anyone, the left wants people to forget the Holocaust so they can repeat it against Christians.
66.000 in eleven days
I care
😢😢😢 I am deeply sad and mad to world to watch this horrific event.
I can't comprehend the suffering that must have been endured. That being said, this documentary clearly states those who were gassed were done so almost immediately upon arrival. It also shows multiple survivors that were deported and arrived there more than a year before the war ended let alone many others before that who would have almost certainly been killed by a bombing raid .
Please listen starting at 42:25
IF the bombers even managed to hit to crematorium and gas chambers and destroy them, given hitler's dedication to the final solution; would have been rebuilt as soon as possible. He denied frontline troops supplies to transport people to the camps. Also look at the raids on german oil production or other (for example aircraft) factories, rebuilt back to 75% or more capacity in sometimes less than a month, if not 1-2 months. In the meantime the condemned would have been deported to other death camps while future survivors would have needlessly been killed and would not be here today to share their testimony . Just my view, but have studied both world wars for easily 14-15 years.
After this, you should cover what was happening to Jews, but mostly to Serbs in Croatia during the WW2.
They had to fight through the Germans to get there. The Soviets got there in early 1945. Bombing would have killed the prisoners. Rail lines were repeatedly interdicted...and quickly rebuilt. The Allies liberated many camps...after fighting to get there. So did the Soviets.
Agreed. Bombing would have sent a statement, but it would have been quickly spun by the Nazis. It would have done little to impact the overall outcome and the Nazis would have quickly rebuilt and continued their on their quest...that is saying they actually hit the camp in the first place. Hindsight is 20/20. The best thing the allies could have done to help stop the atrocities and genocide was to end the war and that was their goal.
Wasn’t the guy in this documentary on pers Morgan show knocking on Israel and supporting hamas for what they did on oct 7
Never forget, never forgive.
people like to think humanity is so much better than we are.
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Im sick and tired of people not recognizing they OWE THEIR FREEDOM TO THE USA. And to read these comments is plain disrespectful to the country the saved the world.
The woman who sounds like she is about cry and whispers was incredibly annoying
Why is there no mentioning of Witold Pilecki or the Report of the exiled government of the Republic of Poland with the title „the mass extermination of jews in german occupied poland: note addressed to the governments of the united nations on december 10th, 1942 and other documents“?
Well to mention 1,8 million, ca 99 percent Jews , were killed in Treblinka Belsec and Sobibor from the spring of 1942 to oktober 1943.
The area would smell like a BBQ
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage video about allies bombarding Autzhottes extermination camps of annihilation europian Jewish ✡️ ...thank you time line channel for sharing
The death camps were built in Poland and eastern Germany in order to keep them from view of the general population, but also to keep them out of range from allied bombers. The Russian could have reached some of them but refused to do so until the allies opened up a second front.
Hi
In all wars civilians are always of the lowest priority, it was the same during the Vietnam war, Bosnian war and many more.
Tragically for the Jews taken to the camps the no cavalry arrived to rescue them.
And it is THIS problem which is making people completely misunderstand (&, for a disgusting portion, DELIBERATELY so) what is going on in Gaza right now. Every death is a tragedy. Absolutely. But the fact is that israel goes out of its way to minimize civilian casualties - *&* they are up against an enemy that MAXIMIZES them. So it's almost a miracle that Israel's civilian death ratio is the lowest of modern warfare.
Are they going to reinstate these
im not a conspiracy guy. but something tells me people of from where-ever in the world had a pretty decent idea that this was going on. i have no proof. i am just saying
Why would the Allies bomb a camp of no military value filled with civilians? This whole question is rather dumb at a minimum, and trying project guilt over it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to say the least.
To prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
Woah
Would the bombing of Auschwitz really would have changed a lot? It was just the most well known CC but not the only one with gas chambers and crematories. I think it wouldn't have taken a long time (one or two weeks maybe) to redirect prison trains to the other CCs.
Careful not to hit the pool
weeds be legals now
I think there was a polish individual that broke in and out of Auschwitz. Pitski or something, not sure exactly. Later hanged
The problem with how much the Natzis were doing during the war was that to combat all things split the allied efforts to the point that it was difficult to combat the Reich.
Z commando, no one was forced? Are you kidding? For better conditions and food and to possibly die only later were the collabarists chosen for the role. There is allways a choice
Watch the Purple Triangle
I am not a historian but I am surprised to hear that the Soviet soldiers were shocked by discovering a concentration camp. As I understand it, the Soviets were not entirely freindly towards Jews either and I have also heard there were concentration camps in places like Ukraine that went largely unmentioned.
Your nationality has got nothing to do with horrible things happening in Auschwitz. Do you mean Russians are human after all?
47:05 "You cannot kill the living in order to prevent a catastrophe". Yet that's exactly what the US did when bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not that I am ungrateful that the war ended, but you can't pick and choose which "living" you are willing to sacrifice "to prevent a catastrophe".
You do realize that more people were killed in fire bombings then the two Nuclear weapons right? Almost 3x as many,..And yet the Japanese were still not going to surrender...
And the Reason the United Stated used them. Russia had planes to take over Japan. As they finally declared war on Japan. The United States prevented that. As even the Japanese knew the brutality of Stalin and the Soviet Union. So they surrendered after talking with the United States in secret..
Well; in the case of Nagasaki & Hiroshima you can. Some sentiments sound good to the ear but upon scrutiny don't hold up.
Dont forget that some African American solders came home after fighting in WW2 to face racisim in the US.
Whataboutism at its finest
No it shouldn't be destroyed it's history
Lmao you really think our Eliets would want to destroy that? That's how they draw their power and so-called moral legitimately
@@joebiggs135 WTF you going on about?
@@winstonsmith8236 if you were educated you would know
This is the same moral question we face with the hostages held by H-mas in Palestine today. Their sacrifice would mean less innocent people dying. What is the right answer?
Misleading title
Tobacco soaked in gas. Noted, lol😮
Yeah not funny
thank you . ( 2024 / May / 17 )
Allies had clear aerial photographs and intelligence. They knew what was happening there ; and what was Not happening
The worst parts of the camps were underground.
Can we not pretend there weren't people in the Allied governments who heard this and just thought "I hope they get all of them"? The United States, Canada, and Britain all refused to let jews into their countries, even when they arrived in their harbors in the thousands on ships. The people on those ships were sent back to Germany to be murdered. This is why Jews need a state: everyone needs a place where they know they can escape persecution if things go off the trails. We just saw this happen in Nagorno-Karabach when Azerbaijan invaded and forced the Armenians to leave, sending them to Armenia. Armenia has taken them in, despite the massive strain on their resources. Contrast this with the Kurds, who have been the victims of repeated atrocities because their land is spread between multiple countries where they're a minority, instead of having their own country where they're a majority. Even if it meant some Kurds living outside Kurdistan, they'd have the security of knowing they can leave.
ironically, when people say "Israel was created out of the Holocaust", they are only right in a way they do not know. Britain put all the Jews there hoping the Arabs would finish us all off.
2 Dutch ships along a southern coast 1578, 67 men, 3 dogs,5 cats and 28 muskets, 8 cannon, broad swords and pikes
"... along a southern coast .." ? Where was this ?
I was wondering if the docu would address the Allied military strategic benefit in NOT bombing the camps - in order to keep them functioning at 100% capacity and uninterrupted so that there were fewer German soldiers divested from the frontlines. But this is the realpolitik stuff that no one wants to talk about.
This topic is not so black and white as this documentary makes it seem. It is a dishonor to everyone that perished in the camp’s. Putting blame on the very soldiers that liberated the survivors.
They had no problem bombing the trains of food and medicine on the way to the camp
You think the food n medicine was for the Jews in camp?
You think the food n medicine was going to the ones being held there?
Aid never gets to the victims. We all should know this by now and never take the word of anyone at the top of the financial chain.
@@GeorgAndexlerAndexler - The tracks were bombed to prevent more prisoners from being transferred.
@@ChienaAvtzon Yes, thank you for reminding me.
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55:05 "Whats more vindictive than Auschwitz?".....Geee I dunno...Gaza?!
No genocide ever justifies another.
Maybe if the people of Gaza would have chosen peace, they would not be suffering due to the evils of their government.
@@scottcohen1776 The last opportunity the people of Gaza had to vote and "choose peace" was in 2006. "Their" government has been beyond their control since then. Most citizens of Gaza were not even born in 2006. They were never given a choice.
@@scottcohen1776 civilians aren’t at fault for the ways of politicians
@Ashen1Always the civilians in Gaza are absolutely at fault. Not only did they vote for the government they have, but nearly the entire population was ecstatic when they rampaged through the Israeli countryside and festival. At some point, they have to take control of their destiny.
They've been offered peace countless times and they always turn it down. They're goal is the eradication of all Jewish people in the Holy Land.
@Ashen1Always at some point, the people in Gaza need to choose peace. They have approved of their government's actions.
now Auschwitz in Palest1ne..75 year camp still going on..so sad what happen there
The holocaust victims weren't firing missiles at the Nazis
Those poor people who were herded into those camps must have felt that the entire world had forgotten them. Much the same feeling as the poor innocent Palestinians must feel today !
By summer 1944, US B-17s were escorted to their targets in Germany, Poland, etc by P-51 fighters.
The P-51s could have taken out the anti-aircraft weapons so the bombers could fly lower and attain better accuracy. Or the P-51s could have rocketed and strafed Auschwitz locations with great accuracy.
Not to act was poor judgement by the Americans and British. I think most Auschwitz prisoners would have welcomed the bombing regardless.
Wake up dude. This is 1944. The technology wasn't there to begin to comprehend the location. Zero Google maps. No way to locate the actual camp with any certainty. No cell phones. Not a video game. No magical pointer showing what buildings were what. And with no precision weapons.
And now they are doing the same to Palestinians 🧠 🧠 🧠
I was going to write the same.. they totaly fu*ked my head.. trying to tell myself its not the j.e.ws its the zio.nist
now Auschwitz in Palest1ne..75 year camp still going on..
We should have helped the Germans
May God bless you bind and heal all your physical and emotional wounds Jewish people ! So sorry for all this evil happening to all of you ! Turn your hearts to Jesus- your and mine Messiah ! Accept Jesus and repent while you still can !
No sense us healing our wounds to them turn around & commit suicide by apostasy.
Well, the American government has no problem bombing the Gaza Concentration Camp.
So Israel is not doing anything
This
Oh give it a rest 🙄 honestly, no one buys this lie after October 7th
Israel is bombing the camps , . please ase think
proof? Ya, didn't think so.
While this is terrible, it still does not justify Israel's existence or the genocide of Palestinians!
While your statement is terrible, it does go a long way to prove that Jew-hatred is behind ALL the lies about Israel. th-cam.com/video/bq9MB9t7WlI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=UNWatch
Israel has Nukes
*Try harder*
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and how about the treatment of today's Palestinians ?
These reenactment documentaries absolutely suck
You want real videos of Jewish Underground?
Joe Biden; I understand this situation. I'm a Jewish Puerto Rican trucker. C'mon man! 😂😮😅😊
Yeah, when you have no facts, make your lies as wild as possible so they are entertaining. Or, at least, try - & fail.
C'mon Corn Pop 😂😂
Are there any accounts of Jews who collaborated and profited during the war?
George Soros not him specifically but his family....maybe him I'm not sure about the timelines. However I am sure he is very good example to what your asking. Also if you sread stories from the earlier yrs. In The 30s I mean
@@Adniram. this was said of Soros by right wingers as they,(people on the right,trumpist and the like) are dumb., did not realise he was an infant. Now that you know you are smearing the family.