Yup. Years has taught me that my life in Christ in my earlier days, was that my desire to be in His perfect will is more rooted in my own insecurities of perfectionism and being afraid to be wrong instead of walking by faith, which like a child going from crawling to walking, doesn’t care at all to being perfect before he starts to do it!
I was so blessed by this conversation. I came to this channel because of the apologetics and more “intellectual” content (and I still love it). But I was so encouraged and humbled by this discussion. We need more people with robust theology and philosophical sophistication, yet with this kind of heart for Jesus and for revival. I need that balance. The intellectual side of Christianity should serve this exact purpose. Also, your relationship with your dad and the way you honor each other is inspiring and a testimony. Thank you. Greetings from a Brazilian subscriber.
Wholly agree. God continues to renew my mind and heart through this channel, thank you Gavin. I'm encouraged as I stumble in faith to witness to myself and the people around me, especially in a city like NY. Praise God too for this father-son relationship beautifully displayed. Love from New York!
Same shirts, same direction of the shelves, same brilliance, same love for the Lord, etc. Gavin may be talking to himself-in-the-future through a time portal! 😄 Seriously, this video was so edifying in more ways than these men realize. Thank you so much for this! I couldn’t get enough of it.
For those of us without Fathers in the Church on earth (whether they be in heaven or atheists or simply another religion) this was very heartwarming and encouraging to listen to. God bless you both!
Thank you Ortland family to be so reverent and humble when speaking on matters of the kingdom. This was a renewing and eye opening conversation, my prayer is that God will pour more and more of his Holy Spirit upon our churches today!
Great men like Gavin often come from great fathers. They could have talked about absolutely nothing and I still would have watched this out of respect for Pastor Gavin’s Father. We need more faithful men raising faithful men like this, truly an applaudable thing in our society today.
This was encouraging to me on a whole new level. When the point was raised that we might wonder if we are in the right place or right time for God to be using us, Ray Ortlund’s comment was silent dynamite: “You are already there.” Thanks for this wonderful discussion.
Wow! What an extremely rare but beautiful relationship between a father and son. I was blessed by having a grandmother who sent my brother's and myself to Bible camp and s Dad who had us go to church every Sunday. I'll be eternally greatful!. Thanks for your ministry. ❤❤
That monologue of encouragement from Uncle Ray!! I want to invent an app that is “Your Wake Up Call from Ray Ortlund”, oh and then I would want Jani to read my Bible to me too…
I listened to this for the first today, and this conversation really touched me. Your dad’s words were so packed with meaning and things to think about that I hope you have him in your podcast again. I also thought it was so beautiful to see the love and respect the both of you have for each other. You are so blessed to have that with your dad.
I waited till the right time to watch this. My granddaddy and dad were ministers too and I’m in need of revival. God bless your family. Thanks for sharing the conversation. Front to back the Bible is about father, son and family.
what a wonderful an encouraging interview. It gives me some hope to know that people like the both of you have hope for my generation, and want us to experience the joy of revival as you have.
Thank you, brothers! It’s hard for me to articulate how encouraging this was. The Spirit of Christ is so evident in your dad, Gavin, and I felt deeply ministered to by the Lord, especially toward the end. When you asked that last question and your dad said something along the lines of “I wish I could be there and put my arm around them…” it really was if that was happening through what he proceeded to say. What a gift from the Lord to be able to minister in that way even through virtual means!
Wow what a blessing, may we live to usher in revival and an overcoming spirit into the church today. I got a great respect and even reverence for how holy and precious to God revivals are especially from the Welsh revival. I get the sense that God’s response to lukewarmness throughout the centuries is revival. It’s so true that the experience of Christ as life is a miraculous normality - when you are in Christ you get the sense this is normal, it is where you should be and where you were made to be and yet it is miraculous that God is in our Spirit, out of which flows a gratitude proportionate with the miraculous nature of such an experience. There truly can be no higher cause than living by faith and looking away unto Jesus Christ and His second coming. "Perhaps as we turn the corner we will meet Him." - Margaret Barber, Lord grant us all according to Your will and timing this kind of faith.
Love this! What an example… I wonder what you guys think of the Brownsville Revival in Florida that was from 1995-2000. I was radically saved there. Thousands of people got saved there. A Bible school formed out of it and by the 3rd semester there were close to 1,000 students. Several went to the mission field, including me. One of the biggest revivals(I think) to have hit America. Please Lord let there be another mighty move of God!
Thank you very much for this video. Having grown up in a "revivalistic" tradition, I am one of those people who is incredibly suspicious of any desire for something being called "revival". I guess I look at this from the perspective that an appropriate revival is not good in the way a feast is good, but good in the way emergency heart surgery is. If I were constantly needing and desiring another heart surgery every year (analogous to a generation), I wouldn't consider it appropriate to extol the wonders and joys of heart surgery so much as say, "What's wrong with me that I'm needing heart surgery every year of my life?" Revival, appropriately understood in my estimation, is not to be some joyous and celebratory thing but something that should make us wonder what brought us here and ask ourselves how we can never need revival again. A book or conference on "How to have authentic emergency heart surgery" might be important or even in some cases necessary; what's certainly necessary is getting to a point where we don't have to constantly be having emergency heart surgeries. Those are my two cents.
Could you do an episode on the 2nd Great Awakening, I know Finney is not a Favorite of the more Reformed side but I recall Spurgeon having some positive things to say about him. Idk maybe it would be helpful to know some of the truth of the Second great awakening so we could unite a little more lol. Love you Gavin and was so encouraged by this video thank you so much for all the work you do.
Thanks for the graceful conversation. I would say one thing though, that we be very careful when discussing concepts like 'a great visitation of the Lord' or 'presidency of the Lord'. I say this as the Pentacostal church I attend has fallen for the concept that the presence of the Lord comes and goes on a church meeting, and if we're not feeling it, we have to chase back the presence. This is despite the clear teaching of scripture that whenever two or more...
Is revival predominantly for the Church, Gavin? When I pray for revival, I want it to extend to my town. Is that included in the "Oh that you would come down..." Scripture
If you can detect the presence of God in a church by feeling, doesn't this then mean that if you don't feel the right way, God isn't in your church? Let's assume all the teaching and practice in the church is top notch, but you don't get the same feeling.
“While giving instruction it is wise to appeal to the understanding. True religion is as logical as if it were not emotional. I am not an admirer of the peculiar views of Mr. [Charles G.] Finney, but I have no doubt that he was useful to many; and his power lay in his use of clear arguments. Many who knew his fame were greatly disappointed at first hearing him, because he used few beauties of speech and was as calm and dry as a book of Euclid; but he was exactly adapted to a certain order of minds, and they were convinced and convicted by his forcible reasoning. Should not persons of an argumentative cast of mind be provided for? We are to be all things to all men, and to these men we must become argumentative and push them into a corner with plain deductions and necessary inferences. Of carnal reasoning we would have none, but of fair, honest pondering, considering, judging, and arguing the more the better.” -Charles H. Spurgeon, “Lectures to My Students.”
Those who are living in shame and guilt and do not think God loves them, these people do not know the Christ, all they've been listening to is the devil, these people are not born of light, if you want to help these people then give them the spirit of God, because they're still living in their own spirits, they have no light within them.
I am not sure how you are interpreting revival, possibly the future resurrection? However, Acts 24:15 says that all people will be revived. If you mean spiritually, then none of us can claim that we were spiritually alive before we came to God. Despite Calvin being a controversial subject across the church, there is a unanimous agreement on the T of TULIP, or Total Depravity. Paul describes it best when contrasting us as believers/sons of God versus our former unbelieving selves/sons of Adam. “And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” Ephesians 2:1-10 ESV
Sorry, you’re not gonna find yourself in the middle of Gods will, Unless you seek him with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. “God‘s eyes range throughout all the Earth, to strengthen those whose hearts That are fully committed to him” 2 chronicles 16:9 ! Too much hyper grace going around that’s why the church is lukewarm and if you’re spit out of the body of Christ, are you still a part of the church which is the body of Christ? No Revelation 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
You really need to go deeper into theology in order to avoid those blatant sadistic, immoral, horrible messages from the Bible. 🤦♂ Imagine doing harm to others based on the moronic book, or in the least wasting your life AND the life of your child on that crap. 😞
@@HearGodsWord Are you seriously claiming that my goal of not harming other humans isn't very solid? 🤭 In any case, how does my non solid goal of not harming other humans affect clearly sadistic and harmful instructions in the Bible? 🤭 I have no clue what you mean by "holy" btw. Is that another moronic concept from your religion? 🤭
I want to have a relationship with my sons like this. Need to have an episode on parenting!! Haha
Yup. Years has taught me that my life in Christ in my earlier days, was that my desire to be in His perfect will is more rooted in my own insecurities of perfectionism and being afraid to be wrong instead of walking by faith, which like a child going from crawling to walking, doesn’t care at all to being perfect before he starts to do it!
I was so blessed by this conversation. I came to this channel because of the apologetics and more “intellectual” content (and I still love it). But I was so encouraged and humbled by this discussion. We need more people with robust theology and philosophical sophistication, yet with this kind of heart for Jesus and for revival. I need that balance. The intellectual side of Christianity should serve this exact purpose. Also, your relationship with your dad and the way you honor each other is inspiring and a testimony. Thank you. Greetings from a Brazilian subscriber.
Wholly agree. God continues to renew my mind and heart through this channel, thank you Gavin. I'm encouraged as I stumble in faith to witness to myself and the people around me, especially in a city like NY. Praise God too for this father-son relationship beautifully displayed. Love from New York!
Gavin’s talks on the gifts of the Spirit and particularly on the Eucharist were hugely influential in my life.
Gavin having a discussion with Future Gavin
A time travel loop indeed 😄
@toonnaobi-okoye2949 it was really like watching an older and younger Gavin sitting side by side. 😅
Oh, I’m going to have to watch this over and over again and trust the Holy Spirit to seal it in my life.
Please do more of this.
Thank you! So encouraging
Same shirts, same direction of the shelves, same brilliance, same love for the Lord, etc. Gavin may be talking to himself-in-the-future through a time portal! 😄
Seriously, this video was so edifying in more ways than these men realize. Thank you so much for this! I couldn’t get enough of it.
That was awesome
Nice interview!
You know you're a great Christian father when your child's "rebellion" is choosing a different denomination.
LOL! Well said!
Aren't they going to be going to the same local church?
@@Particularly_John_Gill. Yes. Gavin did a video on this new phase of ministry. He’s moving to Nashville.
@@HiHoSilvey So then it would be the same denomination.
Haha accurate
For those of us without Fathers in the Church on earth (whether they be in heaven or atheists or simply another religion) this was very heartwarming and encouraging to listen to. God bless you both!
Hero of the faith ! ❤
While humbling staying low
Thank you
Ray ortlund is a hero in the faith. What a great family
Thank you Ortland family to be so reverent and humble when speaking on matters of the kingdom. This was a renewing and eye opening conversation, my prayer is that God will pour more and more of his Holy Spirit upon our churches today!
This was VERY encouraging! Thank you both I have been and continue to pray for revival and some time I get weary this was a breath of fresh air.
Wow! What a beautiful conversation between father and son. Christ was poured out through both of you to your audience. Thank you!
Your father and mother spoke at my Church, Safe Haven Church in Northport Alabama. He was very encouraging
Great discussion gentleman. May Almighty God continue to bless your ministries to His glory.
Great men like Gavin often come from great fathers. They could have talked about absolutely nothing and I still would have watched this out of respect for Pastor Gavin’s Father. We need more faithful men raising faithful men like this, truly an applaudable thing in our society today.
Praise God for your dad. You’re beyond blessed to have a dad that is a Christian and loves Jesus.
Wow this was so encouraging in the space of revival specifically but also the deep love between Father & Son 🎉
This was encouraging to me on a whole new level. When the point was raised that we might wonder if we are in the right place or right time for God to be using us, Ray Ortlund’s comment was silent dynamite: “You are already there.” Thanks for this wonderful discussion.
Wow! What an extremely rare but beautiful relationship between a father and son. I was blessed by having a grandmother who sent my brother's and myself to Bible camp and s Dad who had us go to church every Sunday. I'll be eternally greatful!. Thanks for your ministry. ❤❤
That monologue of encouragement from Uncle Ray!!
I want to invent an app that is “Your Wake Up Call from Ray Ortlund”, oh and then I would want Jani to read my Bible to me too…
Glory to God, that is a pastor right there. Thanks for sharing this with us, Pastor(s) Ortlund!
God bless you both in your respective Ministries.
I listened to this for the first today, and this conversation really touched me. Your dad’s words were so packed with meaning and things to think about that I hope you have him in your podcast again. I also thought it was so beautiful to see the love and respect the both of you have for each other. You are so blessed to have that with your dad.
thanks! He is a great man
I just loved this conversation, thank you Pastor Gavin, so encouraging !
God bless your Pops, he’s a great man. Thanks for this adorable talk, I hope I can be that kind of Christian if blessed with a family of my own.
So good, Gavin and Ray! Thank you, brothers, for the wonderful encouragement!
I'm so moved by this. Thanks so much.
I listened to the podcast of this episode today and was greatly encouraged God, we need You and You alone!
I waited till the right time to watch this. My granddaddy and dad were ministers too and I’m in need of revival. God bless your family. Thanks for sharing the conversation. Front to back the Bible is about father, son and family.
One of my wife's favorite classes at Trinity was on Leviticus with Ray Ortlund Jr.
what a wonderful an encouraging interview. It gives me some hope to know that people like the both of you have hope for my generation, and want us to experience the joy of revival as you have.
Great interview with dad. So very Spirit anointed!! Thanks
Thank you, brothers! It’s hard for me to articulate how encouraging this was. The Spirit of Christ is so evident in your dad, Gavin, and I felt deeply ministered to by the Lord, especially toward the end. When you asked that last question and your dad said something along the lines of “I wish I could be there and put my arm around them…” it really was if that was happening through what he proceeded to say. What a gift from the Lord to be able to minister in that way even through virtual means!
This was awesome. Such wisdom, profound yet simple. Thanks for posting
Wow what a blessing, may we live to usher in revival and an overcoming spirit into the church today. I got a great respect and even reverence for how holy and precious to God revivals are especially from the Welsh revival. I get the sense that God’s response to lukewarmness throughout the centuries is revival.
It’s so true that the experience of Christ as life is a miraculous normality - when you are in Christ you get the sense this is normal, it is where you should be and where you were made to be and yet it is miraculous that God is in our Spirit, out of which flows a gratitude proportionate with the miraculous nature of such an experience. There truly can be no higher cause than living by faith and looking away unto Jesus Christ and His second coming. "Perhaps as we turn the corner we will meet Him." - Margaret Barber, Lord grant us all according to Your will and timing this kind of faith.
Gavin I really like your dad, he is very well thought out and communicates clearly. He has a personality of a mentor that comes through very clearly.
Really great content, Ortlunds! Keep it up 👍
Thank you for this recording. I think I personally needed that words.
Wow what a powerful episode! Thank you for framing what revival really can be for all of us who confess Jesus as Lord.
Thanks internet Dad
This entire conversation was such a blessing and encouragement!
Priceless pastoral wisdom. Thank you for the awesome interview!
This was very inspiring! You have such a wonderful relationship with your father! And what a humble servant of God! Thank you
Makes me think of my personal mission statement.
All fathers are great, but these two make me green with envy 💓
So helpful
I miss your dad on Twitter (or whatever we're calling it now). Was always blessed by what he posted.
Loved the video!!❤️
Love this! What an example… I wonder what you guys think of the Brownsville Revival in Florida that was from 1995-2000. I was radically saved there. Thousands of people got saved there. A Bible school formed out of it and by the 3rd semester there were close to 1,000 students. Several went to the mission field, including me. One of the biggest revivals(I think) to have hit America. Please Lord let there be another mighty move of God!
A classic book on these issues is Religious Affections by Jonathan Edwards.
Would love to hear your (and your Dad's) evaluation of Wesley, the Methodism movement, and the Holiness Tradition.
Now t'is is good t'eology, Patrick.
Thank you very much for this video. Having grown up in a "revivalistic" tradition, I am one of those people who is incredibly suspicious of any desire for something being called "revival".
I guess I look at this from the perspective that an appropriate revival is not good in the way a feast is good, but good in the way emergency heart surgery is. If I were constantly needing and desiring another heart surgery every year (analogous to a generation), I wouldn't consider it appropriate to extol the wonders and joys of heart surgery so much as say, "What's wrong with me that I'm needing heart surgery every year of my life?" Revival, appropriately understood in my estimation, is not to be some joyous and celebratory thing but something that should make us wonder what brought us here and ask ourselves how we can never need revival again. A book or conference on "How to have authentic emergency heart surgery" might be important or even in some cases necessary; what's certainly necessary is getting to a point where we don't have to constantly be having emergency heart surgeries.
Those are my two cents.
This Ray Ortlund guy seems pretty smart. For some reason he reminds me a lot of an older Gavin. 😅
Could you do an episode on the 2nd Great Awakening, I know Finney is not a Favorite of the more Reformed side but I recall Spurgeon having some positive things to say about him. Idk maybe it would be helpful to know some of the truth of the Second great awakening so we could unite a little more lol. Love you Gavin and was so encouraged by this video thank you so much for all the work you do.
Thanks for the graceful conversation. I would say one thing though, that we be very careful when discussing concepts like 'a great visitation of the Lord' or 'presidency of the Lord'. I say this as the Pentacostal church I attend has fallen for the concept that the presence of the Lord comes and goes on a church meeting, and if we're not feeling it, we have to chase back the presence. This is despite the clear teaching of scripture that whenever two or more...
Is revival predominantly for the Church, Gavin? When I pray for revival, I want it to extend to my town. Is that included in the "Oh that you would come down..." Scripture
And thank you for doing this
Such a joy to see you both together
The ripple effect that we do not see and having faith that we are following Jesus. Maybe reaching that quiet, humble hand out to others ~~~~
If you can detect the presence of God in a church by feeling, doesn't this then mean that if you don't feel the right way, God isn't in your church?
Let's assume all the teaching and practice in the church is top notch, but you don't get the same feeling.
“While giving instruction it is wise to appeal to the understanding. True religion is as logical as if it were not emotional. I am not an admirer of the peculiar views of Mr. [Charles G.] Finney, but I have no doubt that he was useful to many; and his power lay in his use of clear arguments. Many who knew his fame were greatly disappointed at first hearing him, because he used few beauties of speech and was as calm and dry as a book of Euclid; but he was exactly adapted to a certain order of minds, and they were convinced and convicted by his forcible reasoning. Should not persons of an argumentative cast of mind be provided for? We are to be all things to all men, and to these men we must become argumentative and push them into a corner with plain deductions and necessary inferences. Of carnal reasoning we would have none, but of fair, honest pondering, considering, judging, and arguing the more the better.”
-Charles H. Spurgeon, “Lectures to My Students.”
Those who are living in shame and guilt and do not think God loves them, these people do not know the Christ, all they've been listening to is the devil, these people are not born of light, if you want to help these people then give them the spirit of God, because they're still living in their own spirits, they have no light within them.
Revivals primarily come from tragedy.
What is revival? I tell you what it is, is EMOTIONALISM
next great awakening? sounds like kundalini. What about the great falling away?
Revival is solely for Gods people, you can’t revive that which is dead
I am not sure how you are interpreting revival, possibly the future resurrection? However, Acts 24:15 says that all people will be revived.
If you mean spiritually, then none of us can claim that we were spiritually alive before we came to God. Despite Calvin being a controversial subject across the church, there is a unanimous agreement on the T of TULIP, or Total Depravity. Paul describes it best when contrasting us as believers/sons of God versus our former unbelieving selves/sons of Adam.
“And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved- and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:1-10 ESV
Sorry, you’re not gonna find yourself in the middle of Gods will, Unless you seek him with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. “God‘s eyes range throughout all the Earth, to strengthen those whose hearts That are fully committed to him” 2 chronicles 16:9 !
Too much hyper grace going around that’s why the church is lukewarm and if you’re spit out of the body of Christ, are you still a part of the church which is the body of Christ? No
Revelation 3: 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Why does Gavin look like he just smelled a horrid fart
You really need to go deeper into theology in order to avoid those blatant sadistic, immoral, horrible messages from the Bible. 🤦♂
Imagine doing harm to others based on the moronic book, or in the least wasting your life AND the life of your child on that crap. 😞
What's your excuse for doing harm to others?
@@HearGodsWord I haven't got an excuse. I just try not to harm other people - unless you label "preventing religious morons from doing harm" harmful.
@tomyossarian7681 you have no excuse for when you harm others. Seems like your holier than thou stance isn't very solid.
@@HearGodsWord Are you seriously claiming that my goal of not harming other humans isn't very solid? 🤭
In any case, how does my non solid goal of not harming other humans affect clearly sadistic and harmful instructions in the Bible? 🤭
I have no clue what you mean by "holy" btw. Is that another moronic concept from your religion? 🤭
@tomyossarian7681 if you didn't understand my comment then you have bigger problems to deal with than worrying about what other people do 🤣