for the tied note falls, you can put a fall (or any articulation) on both notes, and make the articulation marking invisible on the first note (e.g. the + of 2). best workaround ive found at the moment
To fix the visual of the scoop, make the grace note bend invisible, then add in the scoop, and in the properties tab deselect the check box labeled “play”. You get the look and the sound you want. It’s a bit tedious, but it works.
Good point. That seems to be the default workaround in MuseScore! Make something that sounds right, hide it and make the correct notation that doesn't play. Could be cool at some point to define different layers in musescore, like a playback only layer and a visual only layer.
I can definitely relate to everything’s not as perfectly played back according to the articulations. I sure hope all these bugs will get fixed in the near future.
True. I think part of the trouble is there are so many use cases for each notation, and we know what we want each one to sound like, in each unique situation, but the algorithms can't do that (yet).
Hope someone sends this to the MuseScore 4 team, I bet that they would definitely get around to fixing these things if they were aware of them. (Hopefully we would also get a Tantacrul video on big band things in MuseScore)
I'm pretty sure they only look on Github, which is fair enough, since that's where they've asked the community to post problems. I keep meaning to do that...
In my (relatively short) experience as a jazz arranger, the most often used oranment (or articulation, really), is the marcato (^). However it's interpretted differently in jazz to classical music. In classical, its similar to an accent (>), as in it indicates a slightly stronger note. However in jazz, it indicates to cut the note off before playing the next one - not as short as staccato, but perhaps 2/3rds the note length. Because of the inherent "long-short" 8th note patterns of swing, marcatos generally only used on an 8th note (or quarter note) that is on the beat. There's not need for a staccato or marcato on an 8th note that's on the '&', as its already going to be short. Tennutos as sometimes placed on an 8th note on the '&', to indicate a fuller note going into the next bear, something like a slur or legato. .. and yeah, hopefully soon we'll get the other articulations fixed, and maybe even adjustable. It would be great to see in action!
Thanks for the explanation. Working in a school setting, I think I'm used to seeing a lot more explicit articulation markings than are used in the professional jazz notation world!
I am a saxophonist, and I would say just make sure you put it in the original key rather than the concert pitch. It makes it harder to follow as someone looking at this rather than knowing your intentions. Looking at this now, a lot of the notes are really low because it is in concert pitch, to see if it is playable, switch it to the correct transposition and check that it doesnt go lower than a Bb below the staff.
I'm just a college student and nowhere near a professional arranger or composer yet, so I wanted to ask, is there a reason you would sacrifice readability for digital playback?
Nice question. If you were doing a demo for someone that wanted to buy your score, you would want them to hear your best version (even if you sell them the one with better readability, and use the other version for audio playback only). The other scenario is if you're not expecting to have your music performed live. In that case, who cares what it looks like!
for the tied note falls, you can put a fall (or any articulation) on both notes, and make the articulation marking invisible on the first note (e.g. the + of 2). best workaround ive found at the moment
Thank you! Would never have thought of trying this! My grouping is saved...
Happy to help you with the solo :)
To fix the visual of the scoop, make the grace note bend invisible, then add in the scoop, and in the properties tab deselect the check box labeled “play”. You get the look and the sound you want. It’s a bit tedious, but it works.
Good point. That seems to be the default workaround in MuseScore! Make something that sounds right, hide it and make the correct notation that doesn't play. Could be cool at some point to define different layers in musescore, like a playback only layer and a visual only layer.
I can definitely relate to everything’s not as perfectly played back according to the articulations. I sure hope all these bugs will get fixed in the near future.
True. I think part of the trouble is there are so many use cases for each notation, and we know what we want each one to sound like, in each unique situation, but the algorithms can't do that (yet).
Hope someone sends this to the MuseScore 4 team, I bet that they would definitely get around to fixing these things if they were aware of them.
(Hopefully we would also get a Tantacrul video on big band things in MuseScore)
I'm pretty sure they only look on Github, which is fair enough, since that's where they've asked the community to post problems. I keep meaning to do that...
In my (relatively short) experience as a jazz arranger, the most often used oranment (or articulation, really), is the marcato (^). However it's interpretted differently in jazz to classical music. In classical, its similar to an accent (>), as in it indicates a slightly stronger note. However in jazz, it indicates to cut the note off before playing the next one - not as short as staccato, but perhaps 2/3rds the note length.
Because of the inherent "long-short" 8th note patterns of swing, marcatos generally only used on an 8th note (or quarter note) that is on the beat. There's not need for a staccato or marcato on an 8th note that's on the '&', as its already going to be short. Tennutos as sometimes placed on an 8th note on the '&', to indicate a fuller note going into the next bear, something like a slur or legato.
.. and yeah, hopefully soon we'll get the other articulations fixed, and maybe even adjustable. It would be great to see in action!
Thanks for the explanation. Working in a school setting, I think I'm used to seeing a lot more explicit articulation markings than are used in the professional jazz notation world!
Potential issue with the solo, a low A was played that isn't possible on a regular sax. Not too big of an issue, just something to consider😅
Thank you. I forgot to look at the solo in transposed score, but had it in concert pitch, so the range is fine, just looks wrong!
I am a saxophonist, and I would say just make sure you put it in the original key rather than the concert pitch. It makes it harder to follow as someone looking at this rather than knowing your intentions. Looking at this now, a lot of the notes are really low because it is in concert pitch, to see if it is playable, switch it to the correct transposition and check that it doesnt go lower than a Bb below the staff.
Thanks. I only figured that out right at the end of the filming, which is why the last run through of the full piece is in transposed score.
I'm just a college student and nowhere near a professional arranger or composer yet, so I wanted to ask, is there a reason you would sacrifice readability for digital playback?
Nice question. If you were doing a demo for someone that wanted to buy your score, you would want them to hear your best version (even if you sell them the one with better readability, and use the other version for audio playback only).
The other scenario is if you're not expecting to have your music performed live. In that case, who cares what it looks like!