Every time I see an iron fist he somehow just walks through my whole team to get to me, and then the team wonders why they're not getting healed like mf I'm fighting God over here without your help give me a minute
It’s every fucking time to it’s not just a one time thing your team will be chasing them into there spawn wondering where the heals are meanwhile your getting bent over and fucked by the iron fist
Logan’s shout should grant him a strong regen heal while it’s active and his leap needs a better hit box. Just those fixes would be enough to make him playable.
@@mangasaintyeah his leap is fucking unusable sometimes. Half the time it does grab and the other times you can actually land on who you are trying to attack
@@mangasaint Exactly man. As a wolverine main who is somewhat limping my way through gold, he needs a buff that just makes him survive longer. It’s the whole point of his character. He is pretty good against tanks though
No I'd add more. Either lower the cooldown of his leap or make it so when you kill someone the cooldown on his leap refreshes. Also give him the ability to climb walls. Its not just Spidey or Venom. Peni, Hulk, Rocket, Black Panther can do it. Wolverine does it plenty of times in comics, games and movies. Let him have more mobility. @mangasaint
Stuff Iron Fist can do: Heal. Wall run. Autotracking primary. (that can chase flying characters by the way) Parry. 3/4 jumps. An ultimate that increases attack speed and damage by a large margin. A kick ability that does good damage and has a lot of movement. And has a passive that Wolverine should have. Yeah I don't know why they hate him.
@@Esteban-nk3nm Yeah but cc counters every hero. I come from playing mobas and ppl say that "oh cc counters zeri and ambessa" like no fucking shit thats what its supposed to do. But despite that as long as theyre able to dodge or avoid that instance of cc(really easy), they roll over you. Ironfist just has to dodge the cc. Then what else is there to stop him from murdering your entire backline? He could just wait for the luna snow to or mantis to use their cc and then dive them. Saying cc counters something is like saying water is wet.
The single most viscerally satisfying thing ive done as loki is ult on ironfist when he's trying to jump me, and then use his ult on him and let him get a taste o' some sweet *sweet* karma 😂
Let’s also not forget that he can run on walls, dash towards you infinitely (meaning he can fly) and run away the moment he gets hit to full heal by himself and get back in the fight, and he can parry multiple people, not just the 1v1. If you have squirrel girl and spidey though, squirrel girl can throw traps on the ground he can’t get out of and she can throw a walnut that pins him down as well. It’s a direct counter cuz he can’t break out of it.
He cannot dash towards you infinitely, that would make him to broken! However! He can float in the air with his basic attack, and when you are close to an enemy, the basic attack will lunge you at the enemy if its close enough, so you can stay in the air as long as you landing you're attacks. THAT part is ridiculous. Iron Man be a sitting duck 😅😂
All of that isnt a problem necessarily. Its the target lock and lunge that pisses people off. If they reduced the lunge range, and gave him a spin kick reset on kill that would be fine imo
@@boblobster5126 every melee character has some sort of gap closer (dash/lunge), and they need to. The problem with Iron Fist is his target lock. Can't juke him by moving around. However, he can be dealt with if your team is not brain dead.
@@FenrirLupo Another intelligent comment in the comment section. He falls over if you team can actually look at him. The higher you go into the ranks the less likely it is to see him and if you do it's most likely an Iron Fist with good game knowledge, map awareness, match-up awareness, which at that point props to them for committing to actually learning him well, or they're who's gonna swap after first death.
@@theaverageplayer1656 I would say that players would rather switch to Spider-Man, because the only thing in which he is inferior to IF is the lack of a healer. In mobility, damage, initiation and escape, he outplays him everywhere. Okay, he can't block ultimates, but he can stop many of them from being cast with one button.
I got one where I landed it six times in a row. Felt like Pac-Man just eating them ghosts one by one. You can trigger it off Wolverine and Hulk twice each. But it's an ultimate you should handle by getting under something just like against Hela. And by not grouping up so he doesn't damage everyone around the person he kills to weaken them for more kills.
As an iron man main I’m destroying the enemy Enemy: “we need to get a hit scan hero to deal with the flying tin can” One guy on the enemy team with iron fist: “Nah Ima do my own thing”, *absolutely destroys me*
Nah I hate his target lock and that it’s practically impossible to run away from him, even if you are a flyer. The fact he gets pulled towards you as long as he’s holding down his primary is ridiculous
He has has like the 2nd or 3rd best attack range due to his lock on then his rapid punches gives him the best attack range beating out magik who has a big blade😢
And then the game has Wolverine who doesn’t lock on to targets, can only be healed once if he has rage to make it substantial, and has a long cooldown for his only good movement option as his 3 second dash barely moves him. Rage should give him the same homing Iron Fist has at least horizontally since so many long range characters have get off me tools or stuns that other melee characters can deal with through quick combos like Spider-Man or good long dashes like Magik and Black Panther. His big leap also needs a bigger hit box you and an arc you can use to aim it like Hulk has for his leap or for when he throws Wolverine. You can sneak right behind someone and leap and he’ll just jump over them and leave them behind so that he can waste his time turning around and following them as they move away.
Well it does instantly kill everyone in the area, that's pretty strong. But that's why it has such counter play. So it really needs to be comboed into, like using Strange portal or Storm speed boost + Hulk shield.
Unless you are cc'd you can just shoot a slow floating target or press the s and walk away. I could see it getting combed pretty well with like Widows Ult slow thats also bad but never see either of them played anymore in rank. The jeff+scarlet is a pretty funny combo too but again another hero ive never seen since diamond/GM @@kamikeserpentail3778
The difference though is that BP can actually wipe a team or force a bunch of CDs as well while wolverine WISHES he could do that. But unlike IF, BP actually takes skill to do that
@the_ed2274 I'm gettin real sick of devs making games without knowing the full source material😂 But in BP's case, YOU CAN JUST WATCH THE MOVIES TO SEE HIM DO ACROBATIC STUFF😂 Him running vertically and having a single double jump is crazy. Giving him the kinetic suit, but not allowing a dive bomb mechanic after a certain amount of damage is also insane, at least give me a reason to go in the air apart from TRYING to evade😂 Emphasis on "TRYING" cause, of course, you're telegraphed off rip since you can only go up and semi-float in any direction😑
I think that's my main issue. A parry is fine as long as it's obvious. I'm going to sin and compare overwatch to this game like everyone does but anyways. Genji's parry doesn't give him shield, so once you see that he's in parry you can just wait until it's over, but Iron Fist benefits from the first hit you get even if you stop attacking him after. It should be very obvious like a giant green shield image appears in front of him. And I'm not sure the full second of block is great either, it should be shorter, and truly used like an actual PARRY where the point is to press it at the right time to get a bonus, not press it and wait for someone to hit you.
honestly if he didn't do so much damage I would be fine with him but he absolutely shreds any and all enemies. thankfully he is pretty easily countered by a half competent team.
you saying he does alot of damage meanwhile hela 2shots hitscan and hawkeye one shots everybody that's not a tank. be forreal. you sound like you've never played him or even attempted him at rank to see what its like. if anything he actually needs a buff or the top tiers nerfed so he stands a chance.
Fun fact if iron fist is hit by Magnito's right click he can immediately melee and get back on Magnito. No other character can act out of full charged Magnito right click.
He has the ability to tank and do vanguard roles, has the duelist damage to wipe weaker heroes in seconds, and has the healing of a strategist all to himself. That on top of impeccable anti air and you have yourself the smelliest sweat pick in the game
If you simply turn your screen on then he won't do any of that, if you straight up just don't hit his block he is useless and dies really fast, any amount of cc shuts him down immediately
I deal with him pretty easily as Peni Parker usually end up making them run away. People don't really talk about how broken she is as she can fire her primary infinitely, self heal, can recover from Jeff attempting to throw her off the edge, I stay getting MVP with her and even when the team loses I'm the SVP.
As an Iron Fist main, Peni is the most annoying person to play against. She covers so much of the map with stuff and the bugs and traps will kill him instantly if they’re placed well. I’ve gotten better at parrying the bugs first to get full shield though. I can clear them out first for others and they get me to 400hp for free. Cant parry any attacks after that though so you have to play safe
The thing that makes Peni dumb is having a 3 second cooldown stun, makes running dive heroes into her (especially with well set up mines) borderline impossible.
I also main penny and she is not as broken as you think, yeah she is strong on defense but thats about it, any ranged character can destroy peni if they are aware enough of her mines, melee characters struggle the most for sure but the only thing that makes her seem broken is that everyone runs at her one by one, hell that is also the reason why iron fist looks broken yet he falls apart the moment he gets on a 1v2
The amount people not mentioning his lock on tells me one of two things, either 1.) they're ignoring it cause they enjoy it and don't want to bring negative attention to it or 2.) they know people hate it and don't mention it in hopes it creates engagement by commenting about it like i am rn. Shoot, maybe its both.
It's definitely both and both groups of people are pathetic af😂 It's actually alarming that people aren't bringing the tethering up and it's kinda insane that this dude made a video about his parry. His parry lasts all of two seconds, that's definitely NOT the problem😂
You’re just a sad person lmao play something different, play iron fist, or just be quiet lmao you people are all just bitching. Get better. I can beat iron fist in a 1v1 almost every time. Gotta play smarter
@@BlueBamboo9no, the Parry very much is a contributor to his strength because he is squishy and doesn't have much mobility aside from chasing into enemies. He isn't healing in the middle of a fight, he'll die. And the shields from his heal don't last all that long. He doesn't have Spider-Man's level of mobility to get him to the back line quickly and out, so he's really got to commit. The Parry lets him do that. He doesn't have much utility, he can't pull a squishy into a corner to kill then from safety like Spider-Man, diving and chasing down squishies is basically all he does. I find him to just be good, not overpowered. A team with situational awareness, one that actually tries to defend their healers, can make it hard for him to do very much.
People hate Iron Fist because he’s an all-rounder melee character that can just do too much. His sustain is stupid good, his mobility and chasing allows him to catch flying characters no problem which makes no sense, he can out dps basically all tanks point blank which is crazy as well. At least with some other characters when they have something broken, it’s like 1 single thing such as Jeff with his ult. Iron Fist technically doesn’t have one single thing that’s broken to that degree but he has all of these things nearly at that level which makes him an effective one man army that just wins teamfights. They need to tone him down in some aspect if they’re gonna make him a jack of all trades kinda character. At least, this is the way I see it.
Normally I would say you would be right, however, I play in console lobbies where it’s safe to say people kinda suck at aiming (myself included) meaning auto lock-on is pretty damn good despite the lesser dps. For me, it’s entirely his lock-on that makes him so good where I play because let’s be honest, there’s no way he should be able to keep up with a full speed iron man flying. As for who I play? Literally whoever I feel like. Vanguard, duelist, strategist, I don’t care. If I’m in the mood, I’ll play em. Iron Fist is mostly difficult for the simple fact that I (and usually the rest of my team) don’t have the aim nor skill to actually kill him before he’s either snowballing or taking down a few of us with him unless my entire team just jump him. But my point kinda still stands, he makes Wolverine basically useless by comparison (especially since they screwed him with his kit). Anyways, characters like him will always end up being an issue for me to deal with cuz I don’t have the time to “git gud” at the game and counter him. I’ll manage, he’s not that big of an issue at the end of the day since whilst people in my lobbies suck at fighting against him, others generally suck at playing him.
@heimlich5026 if you play Mantis, just wait out block and sleep the ground you can't miss. Namour, the turret will kill him and just turn invincible if you're about to die. Magneto just push him back and immediately bubble yourself he should leave, or he will die.
@@heimlich5026peni also disintegrates iron fist without much issue, loki will always survive if you know to always keep a nearby clone for quick escape or i you just stack clones on yourself and press the healing skill, almost every dps can out damage him on a 1v1 (as long as you dont feed his shield), or simply dont be alone, the man just falls over on a 1v2 so you can just be physically butt-hugging anyone in your team and as long as you can hit half your shots you should be able to fold him with very little issue
He's basically everything hated about Genji, but, scaled up. He's quick/slippery enough to kill everything, tanky due to a stupid counter that was meant for projectiles/hitscan, does plenty too much damage. Then on top of that, he gets health regen, 3 jumps, either lock on or EXTREME aim assist. Meanwhile Wolvie over here. Can barely bruise even a tank (which he is mean to fight) has no self-heals, has a seemingly shorter range, less than a quarter of the mobility, and damage reduction that does nothing for him, because he's just so goddamned slow.
"Health regen" he cant use it in team fights or he dies Also, Wolverines much better than iron fist, if you play him like iron fist, you arent playing wolverine, you are playing the wrong character, he isnt a dive or flanker, he is a momentum swing character, he is supposed to build berserker rage, run in, kidnap a tank, and get a free point for his team to swing the advantage in his teams favor
Iron fist despite having a broken kit on paper can absolutely be countered by most tanks in the game and anyone good with a ranged character like Hawkeye or healers like mantis and luna snow with sedation or freezing especially In higher ranked lobbies he becomes way less viable however he's the poster child for pub stomping in this game
Warlock is one of the few characters who has absolutely nothing he can do when Iron Fist jumps him. Unless you have a charged shot ready and you land all of them as headshots, you're pretty much fucked without ally support.
They Really should've had the new Power Man in here too. You could've had the VAs fir 'em make comments and snide remarks about each others predecessor...
Storm is just terrible but if you’re Ironman, just shoot him back - he’s basically floating still in front of you when he punches and does 32 damage per punch but you can 3 shot him. If he blocks, he won’t be able to keep floating and you can run away from him unless he uses all his cds to get to you, meaning your teammates can kill him.
@@Jeice1010 cope as much as you want kid but you can literally fly as him just by holding right trigger… you can follow a iron man from ground to sky barrier with nothing but auto lock… so keep telling yourself he’s easy to play
@@whoag3152if it makes him weaker to where people aren’t using him as much idk if they would want that to happen or that it would be the best option as he’s not the best in the game but I could see his lock on being lessen or shorter range
@@LuckyShots Yes. He would be. He'd just be harder to pick up, cause, it would take skill to chase. Now, I'm not saying remove his target-locking, I think it would be okay, if it wasn't as dialed up as it is now.
Better Ults and Thor? Did not expect to see that one. His ult is buns, super slow and very underwhelming damage only way you can get kills is if the enemy is low or if they’re a squishy taking tick damage from standing in the circle THEN getting slammed. It definitely needs some work
@LuckyShots Thor ult even when used correctly does not kill anyone. Its supposed to be used to force enemy Luna or Mantis to pop their defensive ults. Its so your teams Hela can pop her ultimate and get multiple people.
@aaronpeck9154 he has no kill potential, his empowered punches don’t kill fast enough if you dive a support, and if they have some sort of cc you’re basically screwed if it’s not on cooldown. He’s slippery tanky genji without the kill potential.
@@fluentgamer8611exactly… people think he’s op but every other duelist has 1-2 shot potential. Everyone is just trigger happy so they feed his block shield
People hate Iron Fist because he's a scrub stomper. High Competitive play finds him to be quite useless and predictable. SoloQ at low levels of play, Iron Fist can be compared to the likes of Garen in LoL. He's seems broken, but once you progress in skill level, you'll find that he's really not all that great.
The one and only reason I like him is because I'm a Luna main and that team-up extra ability is nice, but he's definitely way too oppressive. Communication is a good weapon against him, just a simple ping if you see him lurking around. He needs less self-sustain
I mean ideally to counter Iron Fist, either stay as a team so ur all grouped up, so he doesn’t attack ur backline or just don’t attack his parry, and he will get destroyed.
not to mention he also has seasonal bonus up atm, i can't wait for the next season to come and see how well all the hold left click to win mains fare with less damage and health
It does make since that you parry the grab because you're slapping their arm away. You don't need a visual for it in-game, but if someone were to try and grab you in real life, I'm sure you'd just slap their arm away to defend yourself.
The parry is literally the coolest thing about him that almost ni one hates. The auto target lock on invalidates evasive abilities while being absurdly tanky and fast for how much damage he does is the issue.
He isn't at all tanky unless you hit his block and it's not difficult to simply just wait 3 seconds while he's blocking. The lock on is literally the only good thing he has
Sounds like a patch note waiting to happen. I can see the gimmick in this, but make it so ults don’t work on his parry, maybe tighten the parry window so it isn’t so long and reduce the health recovery from parrying
That meme of support characters POV is an Iron Fist flurry of punches is so true. He’s a menace in the right hands. So is Thor if you know how to use him, the more I stop maining Thor the more I see other people using and dominating with him lol
Once people start timing their abilities better and keep an eye out for him, then Iron Fist can be dealt with especially if they're cocky. Stuns and ganging up on him works very well
Stun moves and grabs should no doubt be able to go through his guard. The ultimates being blockable I feel is understandable but allowing for stun moves and grabs means you can counter them on reaction when you see them try to parry
I actually love iron fist, though it sucks it’s lin lei and not Danny, however them choosing the demigod wielding the chi of shao Lao is cool, and at least the ki that Lin lei got was the amped one from Danny, and Danny still can use his own chi to enhance himself to hulk levels (before he could enhance himself to captain America levels, but then after reading the book of the iron fist and absorbing orsons ki, he became stated 10,000x stronger with his normal ki, and his iron fist became infinite in depth, and with the amp, without the iron fist he casually one shot a monster that was ragdolling Luke cage for laughs)
Every time I see an iron fist he somehow just walks through my whole team to get to me, and then the team wonders why they're not getting healed like mf I'm fighting God over here without your help give me a minute
Lmfao this killed me 😂
Don't forget whenever you have an iron fist they're nowhere near tbe level of the enemy ironfists
@evertime123 same with spider man
It’s every fucking time to it’s not just a one time thing your team will be chasing them into there spawn wondering where the heals are meanwhile your getting bent over and fucked by the iron fist
Hahahahaha omg yessss!!!
And let's not forget the part that his punches pull him towards you so you literally can't run away.
It’s like he’s magnetized!
I'm saw flying towards ironman and catch him even while he was flying at max speed 😂
If they add quicksilver, maybe he won't catch up, but he probably will somehow
That's the correct answer as his counter if very narrow and on a CD, while his punches closes the distances on an insane range.
@@Smile.with.me12110I wonder how they would implement him tho
Man has the healing Wolverine should have gotten
Logan’s shout should grant him a strong regen heal while it’s active and his leap needs a better hit box. Just those fixes would be enough to make him playable.
@@mangasaintyeah his leap is fucking unusable sometimes. Half the time it does grab and the other times you can actually land on who you are trying to attack
@@mangasaint Exactly man. As a wolverine main who is somewhat limping my way through gold, he needs a buff that just makes him survive longer. It’s the whole point of his character. He is pretty good against tanks though
@@mangasaint For real. That dash hitbox is horrendous... Meanwhile hawkeye can headshot you while the reticle is ways away from target...
No I'd add more. Either lower the cooldown of his leap or make it so when you kill someone the cooldown on his leap refreshes. Also give him the ability to climb walls. Its not just Spidey or Venom. Peni, Hulk, Rocket, Black Panther can do it. Wolverine does it plenty of times in comics, games and movies. Let him have more mobility. @mangasaint
Stuff Iron Fist can do:
Heal.
Wall run.
Autotracking primary. (that can chase flying characters by the way)
Parry.
3/4 jumps.
An ultimate that increases attack speed and damage by a large margin.
A kick ability that does good damage and has a lot of movement.
And has a passive that Wolverine should have.
Yeah I don't know why they hate him.
But nahhh, he's actually not that good, and gets easily cancelled out by Luna Snow lol
His ult also Has like 3X the range of his normal punches lmaoo best bet is A stun/freeze in place like mantis or Luna snow etc
@@Esteban-nk3nm Yeah but cc counters every hero. I come from playing mobas and ppl say that "oh cc counters zeri and ambessa" like no fucking shit thats what its supposed to do. But despite that as long as theyre able to dodge or avoid that instance of cc(really easy), they roll over you. Ironfist just has to dodge the cc. Then what else is there to stop him from murdering your entire backline? He could just wait for the luna snow to or mantis to use their cc and then dive them. Saying cc counters something is like saying water is wet.
😂bro I stopped playing Wolverine cause wtf type of Healing Factor is tht🤦🏾♂️...I just need them to add Green Goblin an im gucci
Water is wet btw @@advertizment
Why does iron fist get free bonus health whenever he wants but wolverine only gets it every 90 seconds
Great question lol
Us wolverine mains waiting for the heal that'll never come
Because wolverine sucks but you wanna pretend it’s because Iron Fist is broken
Fr. Wolverine’s la mutant and he literally regenerated himself from a single blood cell or has tanked a nuke. He deserves a buff.
Honestly the fact wolverine's healing factor isn't the standard health Regen we know from taking cover in shooters is just ridiculous
Don't forget if you're a healer this man will for some reason always be behind you
Just had this happen to me last game as Jeff
Yeah, sorry, that's me
Though, I usually main strategists, I only grab Iron Fist if my team is already balanced, so feel free to get reveng
probably because... this is his primary task? Like any flanker, eliminating the healer is his first priority.
The single most viscerally satisfying thing ive done as loki is ult on ironfist when he's trying to jump me, and then use his ult on him and let him get a taste o' some sweet *sweet* karma 😂
When I play iron fist I just wonder around the map being sneaky.
Bro can parry being erased from reality.
Insane
In the battlefield of "Avengers level threats", I found there was, within me, an invicible "Fuck it, we parry" dragon
In my 15 years of gaming, he is in the top 3 most hated characters.
Ultrakill be like:
Bro is literally Street Fighter 3 Ryu.
Better healing than Wolverin's. Better mid-air movement than literally flying characters.
its absurd man
all with just pressing m1
Hulk hitting that Loki combo will always be funny
There's even an achievement for doing it to Loki XD
@@CopShowGuy Ohhhh is it called "Puny God"?
First time I saw it was when he used it on me as Rocket Raccoon. I was like "AHHH HE'S GOT ME! AHHHH HE'S LOKI-ING ME! HAALP! I'm just a raccoon!"
@@CopShowGuy no way 😂😂
@@luckybynn5788 It actually is XD
the fear that fills my body when he runs my way is wild. dude is ALWAYS clocking my ass
As someone who mains him you're getting fisted whether you want to or not
bro he literally hits me with an unskippable street fighter 80 move combo
😂😂😂😂😂
Fall back, move side to side. His target lock is very inconsistent. Ive never died to an iron fist 1v1
I love how no one ever brings up how OP literally every character is
Let’s also not forget that he can run on walls, dash towards you infinitely (meaning he can fly) and run away the moment he gets hit to full heal by himself and get back in the fight, and he can parry multiple people, not just the 1v1.
If you have squirrel girl and spidey though, squirrel girl can throw traps on the ground he can’t get out of and she can throw a walnut that pins him down as well. It’s a direct counter cuz he can’t break out of it.
Great iinfo!
Peni Parker can also trap him with her web, but that's only for a brief moment.
He cannot dash towards you infinitely, that would make him to broken! However! He can float in the air with his basic attack, and when you are close to an enemy, the basic attack will lunge you at the enemy if its close enough, so you can stay in the air as long as you landing you're attacks. THAT part is ridiculous. Iron Man be a sitting duck 😅😂
As a Squirrel Girl main, can confirm. She makes him work for it
Squirrel girl is annoying for iron fist users lol
All of that isnt a problem necessarily. Its the target lock and lunge that pisses people off. If they reduced the lunge range, and gave him a spin kick reset on kill that would be fine imo
Genuinely the most intelligent take I’ve seen in this comment section.
Just get rid of his lunge, if no other mele character has one then why should he?
@@boblobster5126 every melee character has some sort of gap closer (dash/lunge), and they need to. The problem with Iron Fist is his target lock. Can't juke him by moving around. However, he can be dealt with if your team is not brain dead.
@@FenrirLupo Another intelligent comment in the comment section. He falls over if you team can actually look at him.
The higher you go into the ranks the less likely it is to see him and if you do it's most likely an Iron Fist with good game knowledge, map awareness, match-up awareness, which at that point props to them for committing to actually learning him well, or they're who's gonna swap after first death.
@@theaverageplayer1656 I would say that players would rather switch to Spider-Man, because the only thing in which he is inferior to IF is the lack of a healer. In mobility, damage, initiation and escape, he outplays him everywhere. Okay, he can't block ultimates, but he can stop many of them from being cast with one button.
And then there’s winter soldier “AGAIN!, AGAIN!” 🗣️🗣️🗣️
bro is always yelling at me
😂😂
I got one where I landed it six times in a row.
Felt like Pac-Man just eating them ghosts one by one.
You can trigger it off Wolverine and Hulk twice each.
But it's an ultimate you should handle by getting under something just like against Hela.
And by not grouping up so he doesn't damage everyone around the person he kills to weaken them for more kills.
He’s not as bad but his ult is insane lol
😂😂😂
As an iron man main
I’m destroying the enemy
Enemy: “we need to get a hit scan hero to deal with the flying tin can”
One guy on the enemy team with iron fist: “Nah Ima do my own thing”, *absolutely destroys me*
Nah I hate his target lock and that it’s practically impossible to run away from him, even if you are a flyer. The fact he gets pulled towards you as long as he’s holding down his primary is ridiculous
It’s like he’s magnetized to you 😂
He has has like the 2nd or 3rd best attack range due to his lock on then his rapid punches gives him the best attack range beating out magik who has a big blade😢
And then the game has Wolverine who doesn’t lock on to targets, can only be healed once if he has rage to make it substantial, and has a long cooldown for his only good movement option as his 3 second dash barely moves him. Rage should give him the same homing Iron Fist has at least horizontally since so many long range characters have get off me tools or stuns that other melee characters can deal with through quick combos like Spider-Man or good long dashes like Magik and Black Panther. His big leap also needs a bigger hit box you and an arc you can use to aim it like Hulk has for his leap or for when he throws Wolverine. You can sneak right behind someone and leap and he’ll just jump over them and leave them behind so that he can waste his time turning around and following them as they move away.
@@Jlopezocasioyap sesh over here bro give a tldr
@@vibeszc I promise you that not much of your attention span is needed to read that.
"he even counters some of the BETTER ults in the game, like scarlet with" lol
Well it does instantly kill everyone in the area, that's pretty strong.
But that's why it has such counter play.
So it really needs to be comboed into, like using Strange portal or Storm speed boost + Hulk shield.
Unless you are cc'd you can just shoot a slow floating target or press the s and walk away. I could see it getting combed pretty well with like Widows Ult slow thats also bad but never see either of them played anymore in rank. The jeff+scarlet is a pretty funny combo too but again another hero ive never seen since diamond/GM @@kamikeserpentail3778
Wolverine and Black Panther looking at this guy do stuff they can do in the comics but not in the game:👁️👄👁️
Even they at least can punch u even when u use shield like iron fist hulk can't even do that
The difference though is that BP can actually wipe a team or force a bunch of CDs as well while wolverine WISHES he could do that. But unlike IF, BP actually takes skill to do that
Nah a good Black Panther is way more dangerous than Iron Fist.
THIS!!!! Aint no way BP can only double jump after wall running or can't run sideways on the wall. Like wtf?
@the_ed2274 I'm gettin real sick of devs making games without knowing the full source material😂 But in BP's case, YOU CAN JUST WATCH THE MOVIES TO SEE HIM DO ACROBATIC STUFF😂 Him running vertically and having a single double jump is crazy. Giving him the kinetic suit, but not allowing a dive bomb mechanic after a certain amount of damage is also insane, at least give me a reason to go in the air apart from TRYING to evade😂 Emphasis on "TRYING" cause, of course, you're telegraphed off rip since you can only go up and semi-float in any direction😑
I still have PTSD since I'm a healer main. No one targets him and I get flanked and deleted :))
same, except i'll be lucky if i can comprehend what happens in 2 seconds before i see him and die.
"ROYAL GUARD" 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Was looking for this
I ain’t gonna sugarcoat it
It even has a similar sound effect to royal guard lol.
💀💀💀
In the dmc fans come out of the wood works
"Parry this, you filthy casual"
"Dont mind if I do"
That freaking Parry. To make it worse, it can be hard as hell to know he's even using it.
I think that's my main issue. A parry is fine as long as it's obvious. I'm going to sin and compare overwatch to this game like everyone does but anyways. Genji's parry doesn't give him shield, so once you see that he's in parry you can just wait until it's over, but Iron Fist benefits from the first hit you get even if you stop attacking him after. It should be very obvious like a giant green shield image appears in front of him. And I'm not sure the full second of block is great either, it should be shorter, and truly used like an actual PARRY where the point is to press it at the right time to get a bonus, not press it and wait for someone to hit you.
He literally shines bright green when he activates his parry wdym its hard to tell😂😂
@@Imsmellincap He shines bright green when he so much as farts
@@Imsmellincapin a teamfight where there's 1 million projectile and effect thrown around, its hard to see his parry
honestly if he didn't do so much damage I would be fine with him but he absolutely shreds any and all enemies. thankfully he is pretty easily countered by a half competent team.
you saying he does alot of damage meanwhile hela 2shots hitscan and hawkeye one shots everybody that's not a tank. be forreal. you sound like you've never played him or even attempted him at rank to see what its like. if anything he actually needs a buff or the top tiers nerfed so he stands a chance.
@ you’re arguing with yourself I agreed that you only need a half decent team to deal with him easily.
@@tacoroxablebros arguing with ghouls
No its the fact that he can fucking fly and iron fist LITERALLY wont stop chasing you
It’s like he’s magnetized on you!
I've played 2 different games as Jeff, and in both games I was targeted by an Iron fist
This is the mf that just sees a nuke and say
"Nah, I'd parry"
Fun fact if iron fist is hit by Magnito's right click he can immediately melee and get back on Magnito. No other character can act out of full charged Magnito right click.
He has the ability to tank and do vanguard roles, has the duelist damage to wipe weaker heroes in seconds, and has the healing of a strategist all to himself. That on top of impeccable anti air and you have yourself the smelliest sweat pick in the game
He's pretty squishy and has like no CC, no one is picking him as a tank.
If you simply turn your screen on then he won't do any of that, if you straight up just don't hit his block he is useless and dies really fast, any amount of cc shuts him down immediately
I deal with him pretty easily as Peni Parker usually end up making them run away. People don't really talk about how broken she is as she can fire her primary infinitely, self heal, can recover from Jeff attempting to throw her off the edge, I stay getting MVP with her and even when the team loses I'm the SVP.
As an Iron Fist main, Peni is the most annoying person to play against. She covers so much of the map with stuff and the bugs and traps will kill him instantly if they’re placed well. I’ve gotten better at parrying the bugs first to get full shield though. I can clear them out first for others and they get me to 400hp for free. Cant parry any attacks after that though so you have to play safe
She is pretty busted, Heck for somebody who is in the Mecca suit she's more busted than Iron Man
As an Iron Fist player, I got my first MVP playing as Peni. 😂
The thing that makes Peni dumb is having a 3 second cooldown stun, makes running dive heroes into her (especially with well set up mines) borderline impossible.
I also main penny and she is not as broken as you think, yeah she is strong on defense but thats about it, any ranged character can destroy peni if they are aware enough of her mines, melee characters struggle the most for sure but the only thing that makes her seem broken is that everyone runs at her one by one, hell that is also the reason why iron fist looks broken yet he falls apart the moment he gets on a 1v2
The amount people not mentioning his lock on tells me one of two things, either 1.) they're ignoring it cause they enjoy it and don't want to bring negative attention to it or 2.) they know people hate it and don't mention it in hopes it creates engagement by commenting about it like i am rn. Shoot, maybe its both.
It's definitely both and both groups of people are pathetic af😂 It's actually alarming that people aren't bringing the tethering up and it's kinda insane that this dude made a video about his parry. His parry lasts all of two seconds, that's definitely NOT the problem😂
You’re just a sad person lmao play something different, play iron fist, or just be quiet lmao you people are all just bitching. Get better. I can beat iron fist in a 1v1 almost every time. Gotta play smarter
@@BlueBamboo9nah you’re just shit at the game 🤣
@@BlueBamboo9no, the Parry very much is a contributor to his strength because he is squishy and doesn't have much mobility aside from chasing into enemies.
He isn't healing in the middle of a fight, he'll die. And the shields from his heal don't last all that long.
He doesn't have Spider-Man's level of mobility to get him to the back line quickly and out, so he's really got to commit. The Parry lets him do that.
He doesn't have much utility, he can't pull a squishy into a corner to kill then from safety like Spider-Man, diving and chasing down squishies is basically all he does.
I find him to just be good, not overpowered.
A team with situational awareness, one that actually tries to defend their healers, can make it hard for him to do very much.
People hate Iron Fist because he’s an all-rounder melee character that can just do too much. His sustain is stupid good, his mobility and chasing allows him to catch flying characters no problem which makes no sense, he can out dps basically all tanks point blank which is crazy as well. At least with some other characters when they have something broken, it’s like 1 single thing such as Jeff with his ult. Iron Fist technically doesn’t have one single thing that’s broken to that degree but he has all of these things nearly at that level which makes him an effective one man army that just wins teamfights. They need to tone him down in some aspect if they’re gonna make him a jack of all trades kinda character.
At least, this is the way I see it.
This character sucks don't fall for it. In fact, tell me who you play and I'll tell you what to do.
Normally I would say you would be right, however, I play in console lobbies where it’s safe to say people kinda suck at aiming (myself included) meaning auto lock-on is pretty damn good despite the lesser dps. For me, it’s entirely his lock-on that makes him so good where I play because let’s be honest, there’s no way he should be able to keep up with a full speed iron man flying.
As for who I play? Literally whoever I feel like. Vanguard, duelist, strategist, I don’t care. If I’m in the mood, I’ll play em. Iron Fist is mostly difficult for the simple fact that I (and usually the rest of my team) don’t have the aim nor skill to actually kill him before he’s either snowballing or taking down a few of us with him unless my entire team just jump him. But my point kinda still stands, he makes Wolverine basically useless by comparison (especially since they screwed him with his kit).
Anyways, characters like him will always end up being an issue for me to deal with cuz I don’t have the time to “git gud” at the game and counter him. I’ll manage, he’s not that big of an issue at the end of the day since whilst people in my lobbies suck at fighting against him, others generally suck at playing him.
@heimlich5026 if you play Mantis, just wait out block and sleep the ground you can't miss.
Namour, the turret will kill him and just turn invincible if you're about to die.
Magneto just push him back and immediately bubble yourself he should leave, or he will die.
Ironically those are some of my least played characters lmao
@@heimlich5026peni also disintegrates iron fist without much issue, loki will always survive if you know to always keep a nearby clone for quick escape or i you just stack clones on yourself and press the healing skill, almost every dps can out damage him on a 1v1 (as long as you dont feed his shield), or simply dont be alone, the man just falls over on a 1v2 so you can just be physically butt-hugging anyone in your team and as long as you can hit half your shots you should be able to fold him with very little issue
By far the only thing that hard counter him is a stun and a good aim, literally... fly away, he catch you... swing away, still sniffing your ass...
Lil bro. All you gotta do is not hit his block. Play peni with the spider nest and he can’t even dive the nest without dying.
He's basically everything hated about Genji, but, scaled up.
He's quick/slippery enough to kill everything, tanky due to a stupid counter that was meant for projectiles/hitscan, does plenty too much damage.
Then on top of that, he gets health regen, 3 jumps, either lock on or EXTREME aim assist.
Meanwhile Wolvie over here. Can barely bruise even a tank (which he is mean to fight) has no self-heals, has a seemingly shorter range, less than a quarter of the mobility, and damage reduction that does nothing for him, because he's just so goddamned slow.
"Health regen" he cant use it in team fights or he dies
Also, Wolverines much better than iron fist, if you play him like iron fist, you arent playing wolverine, you are playing the wrong character, he isnt a dive or flanker, he is a momentum swing character, he is supposed to build berserker rage, run in, kidnap a tank, and get a free point for his team to swing the advantage in his teams favor
Without the kill potential that is.
Iron fist despite having a broken kit on paper can absolutely be countered by most tanks in the game and anyone good with a ranged character like Hawkeye or healers like mantis and luna snow with sedation or freezing especially In higher ranked lobbies he becomes way less viable however he's the poster child for pub stomping in this game
@@VenomousPapawho doesn't get counterd by hawk eye?
Unlike Genji he can actually get kills
He basically became Ultra Instinct Goku from Sparking Zero
I'm a Warlock main and I can confirm that I always get Iron Fisted 😢
RIP
I can also confirm the same fate, but we're BORN AGAIN
BORN AGAIN 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣
Warlock is one of the few characters who has absolutely nothing he can do when Iron Fist jumps him.
Unless you have a charged shot ready and you land all of them as headshots, you're pretty much fucked without ally support.
They Really should've had the new Power Man in here too. You could've had the VAs fir 'em make comments and snide remarks about each others predecessor...
Bro fr said "ROYAL GUARD🗣"
lol
I was looking for this comment
Ah yes, Devil May Cry Players would love that, especially those who mastered the technique.
Literally
*Dante - "He stole my freaking flow!"*
Dont forget the QUADRUPLE JUMP which essentially grants him flight
You fail to understand that he can’t get those jumps back until he touches the ground. They only provide minimal extra speed
bro has fly, parry, mobility, heal, shield whenever he wants ☠️☠️
I hate him cause i can be iron man or storm and the iron fist plane comes punching air to reach me
It’s either the iron fist that will swarm you like a fly or the Hawkeye across the map sniping you with a (lucky) headshot 😅
Storm is just terrible but if you’re Ironman, just shoot him back - he’s basically floating still in front of you when he punches and does 32 damage per punch but you can 3 shot him. If he blocks, he won’t be able to keep floating and you can run away from him unless he uses all his cds to get to you, meaning your teammates can kill him.
Have you seen the flying Wolverine snatching a iron man off the map
@@diamonshade7484*Insert Hugh Jackman yell* nah but that sounds terrifying lol
@@diamonshade7484 You know that was the first time that Wolverine landed that for the past 2 hours
He's basically the marvel counterpart of edgar from brawl stars
“ANOTHER LOSER-“ 🗣️🗣️🗣️
He’s the equivalent of being able to punch really hard in a complicated power system 😂
Idk why people hate on iron fist but never talk about scarlet witch
Maybe that should be my next one
Both take ZERO skill along since cloak and dagger all have 100% aim assist and take no skill at all
@@thunderbudy Iron fist takes skill to get good at I want to see you play him for the first time and drop 20 kills lol
Scarlet witch doesn't have the same survivability. You can kill a Scarlet pretty easily
@@Jeice1010 cope as much as you want kid but you can literally fly as him just by holding right trigger… you can follow a iron man from ground to sky barrier with nothing but auto lock… so keep telling yourself he’s easy to play
Bro really hitting that "Royal Guard" parry to ignore all damage
Bro also literally flies with that stupid magnetic targeting mechanic. It’s crazy how fliers don’t even counter the dude who punches
“Let’s go Justin!!!” 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
They should remove that when he punches it pull him to the opponent that would make it way higher skill needed
True but would he still be viable?
@@LuckyShotsIf being unable to literally auto lock onto people and float towards them makes him not viable, then he doesn’t need to be
@@whoag3152if it makes him weaker to where people aren’t using him as much idk if they would want that to happen or that it would be the best option as he’s not the best in the game but I could see his lock on being lessen or shorter range
Nah bro is suppose to be a hyper aggressive flanker
@@LuckyShots Yes. He would be. He'd just be harder to pick up, cause, it would take skill to chase.
Now, I'm not saying remove his target-locking, I think it would be okay, if it wasn't as dialed up as it is now.
bro is the definition of “just parry” and i love it
Hitl- I mean Jeff
You win comment of the video
LETSSSFUCKKKINGGOOOOOO
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There actually is an image with the stache😢
As long as you're with your team, none of this is an issue. He goes down just as easily as anyone else.
Tbh, blocking hulks grab as a master martial artists still makes more sense than blocking a land shark eating you or an arc reactor bomb
me watching the team battling on objective:
the iron man and dr strange about to drop a spirit bomb on their ass:
“Fix this mofo before I break some shxt” said my friend before braking the monitor
He's almost as if master yi from league had fiora's parry lmao
He is a very hard hero
You cant play him
(And no not in bronze against actual players)
I was thinking the same. It's fiora parry
I mean all this is comic accurate. Dude's Chi is an absolutely broken power.
Better Ults and Thor? Did not expect to see that one. His ult is buns, super slow and very underwhelming damage only way you can get kills is if the enemy is low or if they’re a squishy taking tick damage from standing in the circle THEN getting slammed. It definitely needs some work
Thors ult if it lands will kill almost anyone in the game which is why I said that but you're right there are def better ults in the game than thors
@LuckyShots Thor ult even when used correctly does not kill anyone. Its supposed to be used to force enemy Luna or Mantis to pop their defensive ults. Its so your teams Hela can pop her ultimate and get multiple people.
@@LuckyShots Thor's ult gets canceled by any sort of knockback hitting him during the windup.
You know what they say! “You fight fire, with fire!”
Wait people hate iron fist never really had a problem with him but magik on the other hand was force to swap to loki to survive.
Because Magik can actually kill you, Iron Fist will just tickle you with punches and then run away.
@@Anirudhji2001That’s not true. You clearly haven’t played the game.
@aaronpeck9154 he has no kill potential, his empowered punches don’t kill fast enough if you dive a support, and if they have some sort of cc you’re basically screwed if it’s not on cooldown.
He’s slippery tanky genji without the kill potential.
@@fluentgamer8611exactly… people think he’s op but every other duelist has 1-2 shot potential. Everyone is just trigger happy so they feed his block shield
@@aaronpeck9154you clearly haven’t played with any competent players… he’s not a problem at all
I hope every single Iron Fist main finds a hair in their food every time they go out to a restaurant
People hate Iron Fist because he's a scrub stomper.
High Competitive play finds him to be quite useless and predictable.
SoloQ at low levels of play, Iron Fist can be compared to the likes of Garen in LoL.
He's seems broken, but once you progress in skill level, you'll find that he's really not all that great.
Just a skill check hero. Sad that the skill check hero has such a low skill requirement to beat and yet people still complain about him.
Yeah Iron Fist, Psylocke, Iron Man, etc. are basically all scrub stompers. At high levels all these character gimmicks get stomped.
Thank god I'm not the only one who gets this
I love that clip of an iron fist straight up flying as he locks onto an iron man 40 ft in the air
“Better ults in the game” - Names the two worst ults in the game
And he's my favorite marvel hero and now that he's mainstream.. everyone hates him. Just perfect.
The one and only reason I like him is because I'm a Luna main and that team-up extra ability is nice, but he's definitely way too oppressive. Communication is a good weapon against him, just a simple ping if you see him lurking around. He needs less self-sustain
Iron fist main here I love the hate it fuels my passion for chasing you down when you want to heal
I think it’s how well rounded his kit is. He has mobility, high damage, lock on, healing, defense, and an attack buff.
Everyone hated me before. But NOW I have power, KNOWLEDGE thank you for this sensei
Oh dude I didn’t know that people hate him and I’ve been using him for ever now
Every game I play someone is like "if there is an iron fist on the other team im gonna scream" lmfao
It’s genuinely a skill issue, you’re throwing if you pick him above gold.
He really lives up to the name “The Immortal Iron Fist”
I mean ideally to counter Iron Fist, either stay as a team so ur all grouped up, so he doesn’t attack ur backline or just don’t attack his parry, and he will get destroyed.
As an Iron Fist main, I see this as an absolute win.
I hate when I catch an opponent lacking just for my 1v1 to get interrupted by a surprise visit from 20-Punch Autolock Man
I've been living under a rock for the last 3 years.
Is this like Marvel overwatch?
not to mention he also has seasonal bonus up atm, i can't wait for the next season to come and see how well all the hold left click to win mains fare with less damage and health
Gets slammed*
Iron fist: “Another loser to punch!”
They legit just gave this man everything
They should make the parry timing way more precise and make it something you can’t spam then he would be incredible strong but more skill based
It does make since that you parry the grab because you're slapping their arm away. You don't need a visual for it in-game, but if someone were to try and grab you in real life, I'm sure you'd just slap their arm away to defend yourself.
The parry is literally the coolest thing about him that almost ni one hates. The auto target lock on invalidates evasive abilities while being absurdly tanky and fast for how much damage he does is the issue.
He isn't at all tanky unless you hit his block and it's not difficult to simply just wait 3 seconds while he's blocking. The lock on is literally the only good thing he has
And if you happen to be a healer and you somehow got separated from team, you better pray he doesn't find you alone.
Sounds like a patch note waiting to happen. I can see the gimmick in this, but make it so ults don’t work on his parry, maybe tighten the parry window so it isn’t so long and reduce the health recovery from parrying
Hands, health regen and parry is a diabolical combo.
That’s why I love playing him, and find him a fun challenge to fight against as Jeff
That meme of support characters POV is an Iron Fist flurry of punches is so true. He’s a menace in the right hands. So is Thor if you know how to use him, the more I stop maining Thor the more I see other people using and dominating with him lol
Once people start timing their abilities better and keep an eye out for him, then Iron Fist can be dealt with especially if they're cocky. Stuns and ganging up on him works very well
I play his specifically for Iron Man and Scarlett Witch. And I hope and pray the seethe every time.
Stun moves and grabs should no doubt be able to go through his guard. The ultimates being blockable I feel is understandable but allowing for stun moves and grabs means you can counter them on reaction when you see them try to parry
His jump stikes latch onto you from 13 m away too.... even more than his grounded ones. So he can chase iron man in the air while hes dashing away lol
Didnt know this dude was hated i kinda just clash somewhat evenly with them as wolverine 😅
You just gave me more reasons to main him I didn't even know about the counter lol.
This man literally be in the air giving Iron Man hands 😂
"Why does everybody hate iron fist?"
iron fist mains: Oh you wanted to havr fun? TOO BAD!
MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA!!
Definitely trying some of this when I can
this is why i main and love this guy
Ngl bro just made even more iron fist user cause i never knew he could parry ults
I actually love iron fist, though it sucks it’s lin lei and not Danny, however them choosing the demigod wielding the chi of shao Lao is cool, and at least the ki that Lin lei got was the amped one from Danny, and Danny still can use his own chi to enhance himself to hulk levels (before he could enhance himself to captain America levels, but then after reading the book of the iron fist and absorbing orsons ki, he became stated 10,000x stronger with his normal ki, and his iron fist became infinite in depth, and with the amp, without the iron fist he casually one shot a monster that was ragdolling Luke cage for laughs)
I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD A COUNTER. Thank you
Iron Fist is basically Sekiro’s long lost brother.
Didn't even realise he had a parry 😂
😂