As a former fundamentalist who converted to Catholicism, this hits very close to home. I deeply appreciate Jinger’s story and the nuance of her experiences. Thank you for sharing this.
My preference is to see really strong Catholic content, and prefer the Catholic interviews. It’s easy enough to tune into Protestant podcasts and find this content. Would obviously love a Duggar interview if they were asking questions, even debating the Faith.
@@midwifemichelleI have always prayed the Duggar family would be introduced to the Catholic faith. I am grateful to Lila Rose for interviewing Jinger. Lila is a respectful interviewer, skillful, professional, focused on gently allowing the guest to portray her most thoughtful responses to show the guest’s best advantage. She is deeply compassionate towards her guest. I pray some members of the Duggar family would find true spiritual depth and fulfillment in the Catholic faith. They have been exploited in every way. Lila allows her guests to express their true selves while gently planting new insights into their minds. In this case, relating to becoming an adult, wife, and mother and helping her seek for greater depth. The cult the Duggars were raised in seems to have a superficial veneer of Christianity that has been described as coercive towards women. Exploring the Catholic faith would open up vast dimensions of faith that would help them develop their full humanity that they may have been deprived of experiencing. Authenticity and depth rather than “fake reality.” Even Jesus modeled the need for privacy as He developed all aspects of His full human life and divinity. Such as thirty or forty days in solitude in the desert, often slipping away to pray all night, the Transfiguration, the night in the Garden of Gethsamane, even Holy Saturday when He took a day to descend to the private world of the deceased to release them. The compassion of the Holy Spirit would probably be a huge comfort and bring revelation in her private prayer time. The sacramental life would also open her to deeper dimensions of grace
I also grew up going to a Bill Gothard church (IBLP) but was able to experience true freedom in Christ in my early 20s and ended up converting to Catholicism. Now, something I am super passionate about is not living in fear based legalism which is unfortunately something I am seeing in a lot of trad Catholics that is so similar to what I experienced in the IBLP. My favorite quote since becoming Catholic is “virtue lies in the middle”. Loved Jingers book! 🥰
@@candiced4826 sure! In the IBLP, the “outside” world is viewed as scary and there is a lot of us vs them mentality. Also, doing good things like dressing modestly or not letting kids do or watch certain things is done out of fear and like Jinger talked about, if you do these things, your kids will turn out. It’s something I’ve observed in some catholic communities and I’ve talked to Catholics who were raised that way and they have alot of the same negative experiences that people raised in Protestant fundamentalist cultures have.
This feels reminiscent of the Gospel teaching from this past Sunday! Thank you for introducing me to that saying. It reminds me of the teachings of Fr Richard Rohr as well which he describes as “the third way” rather than “the middle way” - the walk between attachment and detachment in contemplation
I agree many trad catholics are fundamentalist in nature, but I believe that the vast majority of them are not fundamentalists. I get the sense that the loudest ones in the media are the most fundamentalist, and they kind of drown out the less fundamentalist trads. This is sad, and I hope to contribute soon to developing an outlet for exploring traditional catholicism while staying grounded in real catholic theology. Please pray for me, most especially for the rejection of my pride.
@@Charity-vm4bt they attend Grace Community 8n the LA area, and Jeremy is going to school there are Masters Seminary. I don’t know for sure if it is Baptist, but it definitely reformed, or full Calvinist. There are reformed Baptist churches, so could be.
@@Charity-vm4bt that is why I was surprised that Jinger was on this channel! I am not Catholic, but a evangelical, and I do not think John McArther is any better than the iblp.
This was a very beautiful episode. And very timely with the gospel readings (for the Catholic Church) this past Sunday! May we all care deeply about what God says, but not add to it and put burdens on ourselves and others.
Lila Rose gives people an opportunity to express their views that do not agree with hers. She has a rare gift for compassionate interaction with her generation. She seeks common ground.
I grew up Trad Catholic, and I have often told people that my upbringing was more similar to the "19 Kids and Counting family" than to your local Novus Ordo Catholic family. The work that Jinger (and her husband) have been doing over the past few years is so important, not only for Evangelicals, but for Fundamentalists of all creeds. Thank you Lila for having Jinger on the show, and I cannot wait to listen to the episode (and probably re-listening, and re-re-listening)!
That's because Novus Ordo Catholicism is barely distinguishable from Protestantism... which was by design. The "Church of Me" is really popular nowadays... or so I've been told.
@@yesthisisvic Well, my Trad upbringing promptly ended when I was forced into a marriage when I was 22. So those "basically Protestant" Novus Ordo Catholics are clearly doing some things better than their Trad cousins.
@@Nontradicathyou were forced into a marriage by trad catholic parents? I go to a tlm and I’ve never run into this kind of trad. Not trying to invalidate that’s definitely not okay I just think there are lots of beautiful trad families that aren’t that way. I’m sorry you had such a negative experience with yours.
@@Nontradicath Traditional, pre-Vatican II Catholicism didn't practice forced marriage. I would never suggest to know whatever else was involved in your development to have led you to that circumstance, but I can say with a high degree of certainty that it didn't come from anything I've ever been taught in the 50+ years of my life and education in our Faith.
Wow this resonated with me. I grew up Protestant fundamentalist of different shades. We did a lot of church shopping but I think we must’ve been influenced by Bill Gothard at least for a time because SO much o this sounds familiar. I was 5 or 6 when my parents took my Cabbage Patch doll from me and destroyed it. They said something about a curse and it was related to a certificate that allegedly came with the doll that said you have to love it “with all your heart.” And you should only love God with all your heart (that was the logic behind it I guess)… I remember being confused and scared . And music with drums welcoming demons into your life; yeah that sounds familiar to me too. That dynamic of the passive wife sounds really familiar too. So messed up. Thank God I found the Catholic Church.
@@LilaRosePodcast As a Catholic who has watched this family when in the public eye, I often thought if they could be introduced to the Catholic faith, it would help them experience full authentic humanity. Your interview is compassionate and brings out the best in Jinger to think deeply. Perhaps this will encourage her to explore the truth offered by the Catholic faith which in turn helps the individual develop into full humanity. Respectful and thoughtful interview that encourages depth of thought.
The fundamentalists are most of the time anti Catholics. I’m glad this girl is on here. She brings a very unique perspective. We Catholics are pretty cool people if you get to know us. And the Catholic faith is the Christian faith that is in love with Jesus and the Bible. The hierarchy situation is a mess, but that’s not us we are the real people sitting on the benches next to you in the park outside. 🙏👍😃
Love Jinger! What a beautiful soul. She needs the sacraments so she can feel the fulness of God's love. Thank you for reaching out to her with such love.
Lila I don’t know how to get in touch with you but please do some kind of interview with somebody who has lost baby or more than one in a miscarriage and then still tries to get pregnant. There are people out there who are terrified because they have lost a baby in a miscarriage and they want more children. Please have someone on there who can talk about that please please please. People need consolation in their tragedies please please talk about that sometime
I went to a legalistic fundamental church years ago. I lived in fear rather than communion and joy and fellowship with God. Everything was very external and legalistic. If you did anything wrong, that's all you were known as. There was no redemption and forgiveness. I want to say I still struggle with God's love and what's important, but I now go to a fundamental church and it's vastly different. Not all fundamental churches are bad and teach that way.
This is interesting. Based on what was the case, Jinger's husband spoke out against Catholics. He said some pretty rude things. That aside, and not tossing any condemnation at Jinger for that, the situation with her family sounds like it was and is a hard one. I wish her the best.
Judging by what I've heard him say (years ago, so he may have changed his mind), he seems very anti-Catholic and happy to spread lies about Catholics. Fortunately, she doesn't do that but he should debate Trent Horn to be brought down a few pegs.
Thank you for having Jinger Duggar Vuolo on to share some of her story, Lila! Hope you and yours are having the happiest Labor Day and start to your September month and week! Lila, you are an incredible light in the world. Thank you for your love for the dignity of life for every single (and married!) person, exploring various topics to help people. I've struggled with cynicism since childhood, and I'm very grateful to find someone in you who is so authentic and someone I trust. I think I've written to you before but when it comes to my entire memory of the internet, from childhood onward, you are who I immediately think of as a model woman. Besides people I know in person, you are the most inspirational woman for me that is currently living. You did an episode on Mother Angelica, who I've been praying for canonization (also, praying for Jessica's canonization who you talked about her inspirational cancer journey!) , but currently, and not to bring pressure, but you are the most admirable woman voice for me, and admirable voices in general. Looking forward to hearing the podcast! "Liked" before listening, and will like while and after listening (not literally so I don't undo the "like" =)
@@JohnHenrysaysHi I feel this way because, what I’ve seen from John McArthur he has his own agenda not from the Bible, or tradition. I does a lot of picking words and phrases out of the Bible and then putting them back together in a way that seems to support his views. He seem very insistent that people must follow his precise directives or well, the consequences will not be good. He is particularly opposed to showing a human Jesus who understands us from our perspective and wants to have a personal relationship with us.
I’m confused how Jinger keeps compartmentalizing her opinions about the bill gothard community and her parents. Jill’s book clearly portrayed how getting footage often took priority over anything else and how the children signed a contract without being told fully what it was they were signing for. This interview is no more sanitized then all the other interviews Jinger gives.
Jinger has a husband that has aspirations of being the next John McAuthor, so she needs to not do or say anything controversial. Jill has gotten counseling to help her put things in prospective, and heal from what she experienced. Jinger also lives away from her parents, do it is easier to be detached from the situation. Also, Jill wasn’t given filming options like Jinger.
Jill also has a more normal life than Jinger. Jill is very real on her social media, and Jinger is always very guarded with what she says. I think she brings in most of the income.
I think you need to define your term fundamentalism more specifically. This would be my argument for Trent Horn as well and his recent episode on fundamentalism. So many aspects of what both Trent Horn and Lila Rose believe could be defined as fundamentalism: confession at least so many times a year, Holy Days of Obligation, no artificial birth control methods used…etc. Some “fundamentalism” must be good or no one would follow any Christian laws. The distinction needs to be what is good “fundamentalism” and what is bad “fundamentalism.” In addition, there is probably an another area-a grey area-of what is acceptable according to that specific family’s desires to live a Christ -like life. I’m seeing this concept of fundamentalism come up with many Christian influencers lately and only in a negative context. While generally good to speak to those beliefs that are taking a Christian law too far or missing the nuances found through situational analysis, it could definitely be used to erase God’s eternal truths too, if not narrowly defined. Here is my quick working definition that is probably wonky too: when you can’t separate out the spirit of the law from the letter of the law without losing doctrinal truth, that is good fundamentalism and when you can separate out the spirit of the law from the letter of the law but chose to affirm it as the letter of the law, that is bad fundamentalism. Of course, I will keep praying out it. My gut says, we need a more nuanced definitions here.
Artificial birth control methods etc... of course there are fundamental truths about the main stuff but then it becoes toxic when its stuff thats ot core teaching or is of little significance like having a painting of ship.
@@carolinpurayidom4570 I agree. But what makes a teaching core? Why is the core teaching not fundamentalism? Is fundamentalism situational? Extreme? There has to be a tighter, more nuanced definition put out or even Jesus’ own teachings could be cast aside as “fundamentalism.” I’m not saying fundamentalism in regards to some things Ginger mentions is good, but I am saying that the elemental bases of a religious belief system are fundamental to it, and therefore, we must be careful when using this word in a general manner without defining it carefully.
@@Charity-vm4bt Thank you for your comment. I know how they were using the word. My specific critique is it is a word that is very fluid; it’s not a narrowly focused word, so it could be used right back at any denomination. What was once traditional can become labeled fundamentalism very easily. So, it’s a term i wouldn’t use or I would make a very clear distinction on why something is fundamentalism.
I so appreciated when Jinger spoke about visiting Israel with her grandmother, and how she found Israel to be such a special place. Israel is in need of more than just prayers right now. The western world is under threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran. Israel is the finger in the dam that is desperately trying to keep the western world safe right now. The leaders of the western world need to stand with Israel, for their own security. Jinger, you have a voice and a following. I would love to hear you speak about this.
7:53 this is just so awful. I'm the mom of a 10 year old girl. I just can't imagine a camera crew catching her off guard in her bedroom. It feels like such a violation.
I'm glad Lila Rose named sexual abuse as what took place. While I understand Jinger's pain, her ongoing avoidance of naming what happened, calling it a "double life" her brother had is a form of erasure of the severity of his crimes against children.
So disappointed if they are. I don’t mind others being of other denominations but why the anti Catholic rhetoric I just can’t wrap my head around - especially from Protestants
@@Jenrasp I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. The first error a lot of fundamentalist and other denominations are they believe the lies others tell them and do not study deeper about those "teaching". A lot of Pastor hates Catholicism but why? Wherever they say that sound " make sense" , people believe it but do not ask. I suggest looking back in the history like Didache and the First manuscripts from the bishops , evidence left for the 1st Christians.
The entire Mass is Biblical. All the sacraments are Biblical. However, Catholics are not sola scriptura. The Bible was assembled by the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, for the Church. I would venture that you have never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and would encourage you to do so before expressing slander. As I am sure you know, that is not Biblical.
The worst lies are mixed with truth. Er go Bill Gothard. He did present many true and positive things from the word of God ... his focus on the concept of Christian character was good. As has been pointed out in this interview, Gothard definitely used fear and taught things concerning wonen that are absolutely opposed to Jesus's teachings and how Jesus treated women. There is a such thing as Biblical modesty and distinction in form of dressing between men and women - but it should not be legalistic. God invented clothes and He does have something to say about the subject
This is not the first time I've seen her do interviews about this topic. I've seen her on several different podcasts over the time since the Amazon series about her family and Bill Gothard came out. Every time I feel like people are expecting to hear about the cult and the brainwashing but it's a big nothing Burger because she seems extremely supportive of her parents and how they handled everything yet is rejecting Gothard.. does she not see that her parents are the reason that she was involved with those dangerous teachings? Of course she does but she doesn't want to talk about that and she simply goes on these to promote her book
It's because she's an actual Christian. She's working on forgiving her parents or she may have already forgiven them. She realizes her parents had good intentions. They had her best interest at heart. She wanted to get to the root of the actual problem. The root was those horrible, heretical teachings of Gothard. That's why.
@jessicalee3546 I think you are down playing what Bill Gothard was actually guilty of and what that meant for what she grew up with and seeing as how there has been no responsibility taken by her parents or accountability at all in the slightest it seems strange that she would come on a show like this and not be more honest about what we all know.. she may as well be liberal media
great interview , Lila is a hardcore catholic I can't believe she talked about child sex crime , in fundmenalist women have not choice , women don't Have the right to say "no sex tonight " or to want a break from pregnancy same of women in this women are pregnant back to back for years and years and singer didn't get the education becouse she need to take care of her mothers baby so she could get pregnant again fundamentist is not a evil for women ( there body's having pregnancy back to back is not healthy)
Please tell me im wrong, but i watched a couple of jeremys sermons and the things said about Catholics and hispanic men really offended and im not Catholic but respect my Catholic friends. Again, hope im wrong but i believe she went from the fire to the pan. Please google his videos, wishing best to all
Is it really “fundamentalist” if it’s actually a bunch of stuff being ADDED to the fundamentals? Was Jesus more of a fundamentalist than the Pharisees or the other way around?
@@sallysue8176 she revealed and touched on way more personal things during this podcast. Jinger has expressed publicly that as part of this new journey and rediscovery of her faith, she is now benefiting from the birth control pill. Surely Lila knows this, and Lila IS a Pro-life advocate after all.
grace to stop the catholic apostasy. catholics have a false gospel of works plus faith. God commands all to repent of their sins and believe on Jesus Christ for salvation. A false Jesus will not save. A gospel of works will not save. God's word says ,"you have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." Galations 5:4-6. One must believe on Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Not the damning false gospel of catholicism. please, repent of the false gospel of self-works mingled with the finished work of Christ on the cross. He said, "It is finished." He died once and is not offered up again and again in the blaphenous mass. God's word says ,"And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Hebrews 10:11-14 Please turn from your sins and look to Jesus. He was offered for the forgiveness of sins for all who will look to Him alone. He will not be of benefit to you at all if you trust Him plus your works. You will be severed and go to hell. Why perish in hell? Turn to Jesus and live.
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I very much appreciate that she is not bad mouthing her parents. That speaks very highly of her relationship with God and her character.
My thoughts exactly.
@@taybarrett2893same here❤
As a former fundamentalist who converted to Catholicism, this hits very close to home. I deeply appreciate Jinger’s story and the nuance of her experiences. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for sharing and tuning in!
Welcome home 🎉🎉🎉
My preference is to see really strong Catholic content, and prefer the Catholic interviews. It’s easy enough to tune into Protestant podcasts and find this content. Would obviously love a Duggar interview if they were asking questions, even debating the Faith.
@@midwifemichelleDuggars/Vuolo’s do not believe Catholics are Christians.
@@midwifemichelleI have always prayed the Duggar family would be introduced to the Catholic faith. I am grateful to Lila Rose for interviewing Jinger. Lila is a respectful interviewer, skillful, professional, focused on gently allowing the guest to portray her most thoughtful responses to show the guest’s best advantage. She is deeply compassionate towards her guest. I pray some members of the Duggar family would find true spiritual depth and fulfillment in the Catholic faith. They have been exploited in every way. Lila allows her guests to express their true selves while gently planting new insights into their minds. In this case, relating to becoming an adult, wife, and mother and helping her seek for greater depth. The cult the Duggars were raised in seems to have a superficial veneer of Christianity that has been described as coercive towards women. Exploring the Catholic faith would open up vast dimensions of faith that would help them develop their full humanity that they may have been deprived of experiencing. Authenticity and depth rather than “fake reality.” Even Jesus modeled the need for privacy as He developed all aspects of His full human life and divinity. Such as thirty or forty days in solitude in the desert, often slipping away to pray all night, the Transfiguration, the night in the Garden of Gethsamane, even Holy Saturday when He took a day to descend to the private world of the deceased to release them. The compassion of the Holy Spirit would probably be a huge comfort and bring revelation in her private prayer time. The sacramental life would also open her to deeper dimensions of grace
I also grew up going to a Bill Gothard church (IBLP) but was able to experience true freedom in Christ in my early 20s and ended up converting to Catholicism. Now, something I am super passionate about is not living in fear based legalism which is unfortunately something I am seeing in a lot of trad Catholics that is so similar to what I experienced in the IBLP. My favorite quote since becoming Catholic is “virtue lies in the middle”. Loved Jingers book! 🥰
Welcome home 🎉🎉🎉
Out of trying to understand better, what’s the fear based legalism that you’re seeing amongst trad catholics?
@@candiced4826 sure! In the IBLP, the “outside” world is viewed as scary and there is a lot of us vs them mentality. Also, doing good things like dressing modestly or not letting kids do or watch certain things is done out of fear and like Jinger talked about, if you do these things, your kids will turn out. It’s something I’ve observed in some catholic communities and I’ve talked to Catholics who were raised that way and they have alot of the same negative experiences that people raised in Protestant fundamentalist cultures have.
This feels reminiscent of the Gospel teaching from this past Sunday! Thank you for introducing me to that saying. It reminds me of the teachings of Fr Richard Rohr as well which he describes as “the third way” rather than “the middle way” - the walk between attachment and detachment in contemplation
I agree many trad catholics are fundamentalist in nature, but I believe that the vast majority of them are not fundamentalists. I get the sense that the loudest ones in the media are the most fundamentalist, and they kind of drown out the less fundamentalist trads. This is sad, and I hope to contribute soon to developing an outlet for exploring traditional catholicism while staying grounded in real catholic theology. Please pray for me, most especially for the rejection of my pride.
Jinger on a Catholic podcast?! 🙌 Yes! ❤ I'm a little shocked because but so happy to see Jinger is not against Catholics.
@@okinawaBallerina oh, I am pretty sure she is!
There are Catholics that are Christians.
Well Jeremy would never be Catholic @@Charity-vm4bt
@@Charity-vm4bt they attend Grace Community 8n the LA area, and Jeremy is going to school there are Masters Seminary. I don’t know for sure if it is Baptist, but it definitely reformed, or full Calvinist. There are reformed Baptist churches, so could be.
@@Charity-vm4bt that is why I was surprised that Jinger was on this channel! I am not Catholic, but a evangelical, and I do not think John McArther is any better than the iblp.
Lila is constantly bringing us gems.
This was a very beautiful episode. And very timely with the gospel readings (for the Catholic Church) this past Sunday! May we all care deeply about what God says, but not add to it and put burdens on ourselves and others.
Lila Rose gives people an opportunity to express their views that do not agree with hers. She has a rare gift for compassionate interaction with her generation. She seeks common ground.
I watch their podcast too. Jinger thank you for being so vulnerable here and Lila as always…great interview. Both amazing women ❤
This is so beautiful. You can see how much she has forgiven and let go of resentment.
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Jinger talking about what she and Jeremy have as a TEAM at 55:00 was beautiful ❤
jinger had a glow when talking about her husband it was sooo beautiful 🥰
Jinger is a breath of fresh air.
I grew up Trad Catholic, and I have often told people that my upbringing was more similar to the "19 Kids and Counting family" than to your local Novus Ordo Catholic family. The work that Jinger (and her husband) have been doing over the past few years is so important, not only for Evangelicals, but for Fundamentalists of all creeds. Thank you Lila for having Jinger on the show, and I cannot wait to listen to the episode (and probably re-listening, and re-re-listening)!
That's because Novus Ordo Catholicism is barely distinguishable from Protestantism... which was by design. The "Church of Me" is really popular nowadays... or so I've been told.
@@yesthisisvic Perhaps don't speak on it if "you've been told" then. That' is unproductive and presumptive.
@@yesthisisvic Well, my Trad upbringing promptly ended when I was forced into a marriage when I was 22. So those "basically Protestant" Novus Ordo Catholics are clearly doing some things better than their Trad cousins.
@@Nontradicathyou were forced into a marriage by trad catholic parents? I go to a tlm and I’ve never run into this kind of trad. Not trying to invalidate that’s definitely not okay I just think there are lots of beautiful trad families that aren’t that way. I’m sorry you had such a negative experience with yours.
@@Nontradicath Traditional, pre-Vatican II Catholicism didn't practice forced marriage. I would never suggest to know whatever else was involved in your development to have led you to that circumstance, but I can say with a high degree of certainty that it didn't come from anything I've ever been taught in the 50+ years of my life and education in our Faith.
Wow this resonated with me. I grew up Protestant fundamentalist of different shades. We did a lot of church shopping but I think we must’ve been influenced by Bill Gothard at least for a time because SO much o this sounds familiar. I was 5 or 6 when my parents took my Cabbage Patch doll from me and destroyed it. They said something about a curse and it was related to a certificate that allegedly came with the doll that said you have to love it “with all your heart.” And you should only love God with all your heart (that was the logic behind it I guess)… I remember being confused and scared . And music with drums welcoming demons into your life; yeah that sounds familiar to me too. That dynamic of the passive wife sounds really familiar too. So messed up.
Thank God I found the Catholic Church.
I watch the Duggar since they young. So happy to see her.
❤❤❤❤❤ao glad your having her on Lila you are so caring and kind
Good morning! Thank you ❤
@@LilaRosePodcast As a Catholic who has watched this family when in the public eye, I often thought if they could be introduced to the Catholic faith, it would help them experience full authentic humanity. Your interview is compassionate and brings out the best in Jinger to think deeply. Perhaps this will encourage her to explore the truth offered by the Catholic faith which in turn helps the individual develop into full humanity. Respectful and thoughtful interview that encourages depth of thought.
Jinger is amazing! God bless her and her family.
Watching Jinger's growth has been so amazing and inspiring :) praying for her and her wonderful family :)
Jinger is a beautiful soul! God bless her.
Thank you for sharing your story Jinger! ❤
The fundamentalists are most of the time anti Catholics.
I’m glad this girl is on here. She brings a very unique perspective.
We Catholics are pretty cool people if you get to know us.
And the Catholic faith is the Christian faith that is in love with Jesus and the Bible.
The hierarchy situation is a mess, but that’s not us we are the real people sitting on the benches next to you in the park outside.
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As an Anglican, I also adore the Trinity, pray the daily office with my husband, and love the Church in her many traditions.
Love Jinger! What a beautiful soul. She needs the sacraments so she can feel the fulness of God's love. Thank you for reaching out to her with such love.
What an amazing family. Can you imagine how many celebrations they must have?
Jinger’s book was a great reminder of what the apostle Paul said in Romans 16:17-19
Lila I don’t know how to get in touch with you but
please do some kind of interview with somebody who has lost baby or more than one in a miscarriage and then still tries to get pregnant.
There are people out there who are terrified because they have lost a baby in a miscarriage and they want more children.
Please have someone on there who can talk about that please please please.
People need consolation in their tragedies please please talk about that sometime
Just be careful to not go to the opposite extreme of ANTI-fundamentalism. Because we must never reject what is FUNDAMENTALLY true.
I went to a legalistic fundamental church years ago. I lived in fear rather than communion and joy and fellowship with God. Everything was very external and legalistic. If you did anything wrong, that's all you were known as. There was no redemption and forgiveness. I want to say I still struggle with God's love and what's important, but I now go to a fundamental church and it's vastly different. Not all fundamental churches are bad and teach that way.
This is interesting. Based on what was the case, Jinger's husband spoke out against Catholics. He said some pretty rude things. That aside, and not tossing any condemnation at Jinger for that, the situation with her family sounds like it was and is a hard one. I wish her the best.
I don’t understand why Protestants feel such a need to speak against the Catholic Church.
Judging by what I've heard him say (years ago, so he may have changed his mind), he seems very anti-Catholic and happy to spread lies about Catholics.
Fortunately, she doesn't do that but he should debate Trent Horn to be brought down a few pegs.
There’s lots of teachings that Catholics follow that aren’t Biblical. If you read and study the Bible you’ll see that for yourself
Its a lot misconceptions and a LOT people used to trash the name of Catholicism with lies
@@Jenrasplike what?
Thank you for having Jinger Duggar Vuolo on to share some of her story, Lila! Hope you and yours are having the happiest Labor Day and start to your September month and week! Lila, you are an incredible light in the world. Thank you for your love for the dignity of life for every single (and married!) person, exploring various topics to help people.
I've struggled with cynicism since childhood, and I'm very grateful to find someone in you who is so authentic and someone I trust. I think I've written to you before but when it comes to my entire memory of the internet, from childhood onward, you are who I immediately think of as a model woman. Besides people I know in person, you are the most inspirational woman for me that is currently living.
You did an episode on Mother Angelica, who I've been praying for canonization (also, praying for Jessica's canonization who you talked about her inspirational cancer journey!) , but currently, and not to bring pressure, but you are the most admirable woman voice for me, and admirable voices in general.
Looking forward to hearing the podcast! "Liked" before listening, and will like while and after listening (not literally so I don't undo the "like" =)
I really respect Jinger, I think she’s incredibly strong. I am concerned however that it does seem like she’s exchanged Gothardism for McCarthyism.
@@gwendolynnorton6329 Why do you think so? Thanks for your reply!
@@JohnHenrysaysHi I feel this way because, what I’ve seen from John McArthur he has his own agenda not from the Bible, or tradition. I does a lot of picking words and phrases out of the Bible and then putting them back together in a way that seems to support his views. He seem very insistent that people must follow his precise directives or well, the consequences will not be good. He is particularly opposed to showing a human Jesus who understands us from our perspective and wants to have a personal relationship with us.
@@gwendolynnorton6329 Thank you for explaining. I appreciate your time!
I’m confused how Jinger keeps compartmentalizing her opinions about the bill gothard community and her parents. Jill’s book clearly portrayed how getting footage often took priority over anything else and how the children signed a contract without being told fully what it was they were signing for. This interview is no more sanitized then all the other interviews Jinger gives.
Jinger has a husband that has aspirations of being the next John McAuthor, so she needs to not do or say anything controversial. Jill has gotten counseling to help her put things in prospective, and heal from what she experienced. Jinger also lives away from her parents, do it is easier to be detached from the situation. Also, Jill wasn’t given filming options like Jinger.
Jill also has a more normal life than Jinger. Jill is very real on her social media, and Jinger is always very guarded with what she says. I think she brings in most of the income.
You all should read Jill's book.. she had a bit of a different experience because of the show.
I think you need to define your term fundamentalism more specifically. This would be my argument for Trent Horn as well and his recent episode on fundamentalism. So many aspects of what both Trent Horn and Lila Rose believe could be defined as fundamentalism: confession at least so many times a year, Holy Days of Obligation, no artificial birth control methods used…etc. Some “fundamentalism” must be good or no one would follow any Christian laws. The distinction needs to be what is good “fundamentalism” and what is bad “fundamentalism.” In addition, there is probably an another area-a grey area-of what is acceptable according to that specific family’s desires to live a Christ -like life. I’m seeing this concept of fundamentalism come up with many Christian influencers lately and only in a negative context. While generally good to speak to those beliefs that are taking a Christian law too far or missing the nuances found through situational analysis, it could definitely be used to erase God’s eternal truths too, if not narrowly defined.
Here is my quick working definition that is probably wonky too: when you can’t separate out the spirit of the law from the letter of the law without losing doctrinal truth, that is good fundamentalism and when you can separate out the spirit of the law from the letter of the law but chose to affirm it as the letter of the law, that is bad fundamentalism. Of course, I will keep praying out it. My gut says, we need a more nuanced definitions here.
Artificial birth control methods etc... of course there are fundamental truths about the main stuff but then it becoes toxic when its stuff thats ot core teaching or is of little significance like having a painting of ship.
@@carolinpurayidom4570 I agree. But what makes a teaching core? Why is the core teaching not fundamentalism? Is fundamentalism situational? Extreme? There has to be a tighter, more nuanced definition put out or even Jesus’ own teachings could be cast aside as “fundamentalism.” I’m not saying fundamentalism in regards to some things Ginger mentions is good, but I am saying that the elemental bases of a religious belief system are fundamental to it, and therefore, we must be careful when using this word in a general manner without defining it carefully.
@@Charity-vm4bt Thank you for your comment. I know how they were using the word. My specific critique is it is a word that is very fluid; it’s not a narrowly focused word, so it could be used right back at any denomination. What was once traditional can become labeled fundamentalism very easily. So, it’s a term i wouldn’t use or I would make a very clear distinction on why something is fundamentalism.
A great conversation & episode!
I so appreciated when Jinger spoke about visiting Israel with her grandmother, and how she found Israel to be such a special place. Israel is in need of more than just prayers right now. The western world is under threat from the Islamic Republic of Iran. Israel is the finger in the dam that is desperately trying to keep the western world safe right now. The leaders of the western world need to stand with Israel, for their own security. Jinger, you have a voice and a following. I would love to hear you speak about this.
Israel is not our friend. Pray for them and their conversion.
7:53 this is just so awful. I'm the mom of a 10 year old girl. I just can't imagine a camera crew catching her off guard in her bedroom. It feels like such a violation.
I'm glad Lila Rose named sexual abuse as what took place. While I understand Jinger's pain, her ongoing avoidance of naming what happened, calling it a "double life" her brother had is a form of erasure of the severity of his crimes against children.
I’m really surprised, but happily. I thought they were pretty anti Catholic
So disappointed if they are. I don’t mind others being of other denominations but why the anti Catholic rhetoric I just can’t wrap my head around - especially from Protestants
There’s lots of teachings that Catholics follow that aren’t Biblical. If you read and study the Bible you’ll see that for yourself
@@Jenrasp I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong. The first error a lot of fundamentalist and other denominations are they believe the lies others tell them and do not study deeper about those "teaching". A lot of Pastor hates Catholicism but why? Wherever they say that sound " make sense" , people believe it but do not ask. I suggest looking back in the history like Didache and the First manuscripts from the bishops , evidence left for the 1st Christians.
@@Jenrasp I do read and study the Bible, that’s why I ran back to the Catholic Church after a few years in Protestantism.
The entire Mass is Biblical. All the sacraments are Biblical. However, Catholics are not sola scriptura. The Bible was assembled by the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, for the Church. I would venture that you have never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and would encourage you to do so before expressing slander. As I am sure you know, that is not Biblical.
I love your family ❤I wish I would have had parents 😢 like yours
The worst lies are mixed with truth. Er go Bill Gothard. He did present many true and positive things from the word of God ... his focus on the concept of Christian character was good. As has been pointed out in this interview, Gothard definitely used fear and taught things concerning wonen that are absolutely opposed to Jesus's teachings and how Jesus treated women.
There is a such thing as Biblical modesty and distinction in form of dressing between men and women - but it should not be legalistic.
God invented clothes and He does have something to say about the subject
I’m confused it says you interviewed Jessica but this is Jinger? Do you not know their names or the difference between them. Seems a bit strange
That's how cults start,it's starts with kindness and then damnation starts
This is not the first time I've seen her do interviews about this topic. I've seen her on several different podcasts over the time since the Amazon series about her family and Bill Gothard came out. Every time I feel like people are expecting to hear about the cult and the brainwashing but it's a big nothing Burger because she seems extremely supportive of her parents and how they handled everything yet is rejecting Gothard.. does she not see that her parents are the reason that she was involved with those dangerous teachings? Of course she does but she doesn't want to talk about that and she simply goes on these to promote her book
It's because she's an actual Christian. She's working on forgiving her parents or she may have already forgiven them. She realizes her parents had good intentions. They had her best interest at heart. She wanted to get to the root of the actual problem. The root was those horrible, heretical teachings of Gothard. That's why.
It's because she's bound by a lifetime NDA
@jessicalee3546 I think you are down playing what Bill Gothard was actually guilty of and what that meant for what she grew up with and seeing as how there has been no responsibility taken by her parents or accountability at all in the slightest it seems strange that she would come on a show like this and not be more honest about what we all know.. she may as well be liberal media
Always loved Jinger 😊❤
great interview , Lila is a hardcore catholic I can't believe she talked about child sex crime , in fundmenalist women have not choice , women don't Have the right to say "no sex tonight " or to want a break from pregnancy same of women in this women are pregnant back to back for years and years and singer didn't get the education becouse she need to take care of her mothers baby so she could get pregnant again fundamentist is not a evil for women ( there body's having pregnancy back to back is not healthy)
Please tell me im wrong, but i watched a couple of jeremys sermons and the things said about Catholics and hispanic men really offended and im not Catholic but respect my Catholic friends. Again, hope im wrong but i believe she went from the fire to the pan. Please google his videos, wishing best to all
Does ginger not know that they aired evangelion's birth episode? They most definitely did
Is it really “fundamentalist” if it’s actually a bunch of stuff being ADDED to the fundamentals? Was Jesus more of a fundamentalist than the Pharisees or the other way around?
Apparently Lila Rose hasn't listened to Jeremy Vuolo's opinions of Catholics in his sermons when they were in Laredo?
The description of this video has a name error ❤
I’m surprised Lila didn’t ask Jinger about her now using birth control
Because it’s really personal. And not Lila’s business.
@@sallysue8176 she revealed and touched on way more personal things during this podcast. Jinger has expressed publicly that as part of this new journey and rediscovery of her faith, she is now benefiting from the birth control pill. Surely Lila knows this, and Lila IS a Pro-life advocate after all.
Jinger and her husband are going to become Catholic. I have a big feeling about this 🙏. I have been thinking this for a while.
An wouldn't Jeremy have to give up his career as a minister since priests are not married?
The Catholic church is not strong enough on Biblical principles, but it emphasizes ritual. I know, for I've been born and raised Catholic.
I just want one Duggar to convert to Catholicism!
There was a birth special when you had Evie
I wonder if her parents still raise the younger kids IBLP
Is jinger calvinistic now?
DALLAS John McArthur church where they attend is worse than calvinist. More of a freemason. They go to his church I read in comments. Pray for them.
grace to stop the catholic apostasy. catholics have a false gospel of works plus faith. God commands all to repent of their sins and believe on Jesus Christ for salvation. A false Jesus will not save. A gospel of works will not save. God's word says ,"you have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." Galations 5:4-6. One must believe on Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Not the damning false gospel of catholicism.
please, repent of the false gospel of self-works mingled with the finished work of Christ on the cross. He said, "It is finished." He died once and is not offered up again and again in the blaphenous mass.
God's word says ,"And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Hebrews 10:11-14
Please turn from your sins and look to Jesus. He was offered for the forgiveness of sins for all who will look to Him alone. He will not be of benefit to you at all if you trust Him plus your works. You will be severed and go to hell. Why perish in hell? Turn to Jesus and live.