The truly ironic thing about the character Hannibal is that he's become such a notable pop culture portrayal of a serial killer that he's informed people's perceptions of serial killers and "psychopaths", yet if you read the original books, he was clearly intended to be so unique because he DIDN’T fit the typical profile of a serial killer. In fact, at several points in the books, characters even call into question whether Hannibal truly is a psychopath.
I read them in order of the story’s timeline a few months ago and felt that reading the prequel _Hannibal Rising_ threw the entire story in a completely different direction. I really enjoyed it.
I mean, I'd argue Hannibal in this show is a very interesting rendition of the character and far from a typical psychopath. He is driven by a warped sense of morality where life and death are not the motivating factors behind his ethics. Rather artistic expression and things such as class and rudeness are what inform his morals. In Hannibal's eyes, he acts impeccably, killing rude and ugly (internally) people to transform them into expressive tableaus and great culinary dishes. He is ridding the world of things that are unsightly in his view, and it is therefore a good thing to him. One of the things I love most about the show and this portrayal is the way that this unusual philosophy isn't exactly "wrong". Why should life and death be the main thing to dictate are actions on? Prioritising beauty in the world isn't necessarily less valid, even if it isn't a philosophy to which I ascribe. We see in the show how he can form emotional attachments and act empathetically, it's just that he's used to being surrounded by people with an unenlightened philosophy who are no better than animals because of it.
@@goodguykonrad3701 Your interpretation really resonates with me. And I agree that Hannibal does at times demonstrate a capacity for empathy. People often assume that horrible actions can only be a consequence of a lack of empathy, but empathetic people can absolutely be capable of destructive acts. Empathy and morality are 2 different things, and a capacity for empathy does not always lead to moral outcomes.
@@QueenArielViolet to add to the conversation about empathy, mads said this about hannibal: "I think it is in the nature of hannibal to be quite a genuine man… he doesn’t like lying. So he’s quite genuine with his emotions and he’s quite genuine with his empathy, but he’s also very much in control - he decides when [those feelings] happen." basically he says that hannibal chooses when to have empathy, until the moment will arrives in his life
There was an episode of House (I know, your medically accurate absolute favorite lol) where a woman murders her baby while experiencing some kind of psychosis and when she is brought back to reality, it destroys her. I can't imagine what that must feel like.
Reading you mentioning house and this video being the topic of a cannibal reminds me of the one episode where they come across and heal a patient they find out at the end of an episode is actually a serial killer hunted by the FBI he was never even caught😱
The show always made the most sense to me when I didn't think of Hannibal as a person at all. That's obviously a metaphor. But he's like something else entirely - a curious, epicurean, remorseless, malevolent force of nature. He wants to understand people so he experiments with them. He manipulates them to watch how they behave and respond. He also seeks amusement. It would be silly to treat anything he says to his therapist as actual therapy. She's just another person that he's toying and experimenting with. And when he grows bored of a toy or dislikes it, he breaks it. He's kind of like a clockmaker god. He wound Will up and watched him go. And that's why his most common refrain when asked why he did something is, "I wanted to see what would happen." The show even hangs a lantern on this at times. Alana, arguably the best and most insightful psychiatrist in the program (after Hannibal), asks him, "could I ever have understood you," and he calmly replies, "no." And I always thought of his cannibalism as two-sided. For the people he hates, it is an act of dominance and utter destruction. He consumes and obliterates them. For the people he admires (Will and Bedelia), eating them is a way of absorbing them into himself. It's a way of keeping them with him forever.
Not thinking of him as human is interesting. A bit like how society is so quick to demonise people as monsters (monstrous people rather than monstrous acts or monstrous states of mind)
Love your channel so much much. Discussing psychiatry, diagnosis, ethics, history of practice and studies, all with grounded and personable compassion. You have great presentation manner of information, you do a great job of juggling tasteful lightheartedness, empathy and sobriety around psychology, pathology and mental illness. And I bloody love Hannibal too! ☺️🏳️🌈🥩
I can't wait to have your comments on more of S2 (and hopefully eventually S3). Hannibal continues to be one of my favourite TV shows of all time, and it's extremely interesting to hear a medical opinion about the psychiatry stuff mentioned in it. Especially since it's now that it's about 10 years old!
For anyone who enjoys the movie and show, I highly recommend the books. The prequel _Hannibal Rising_ shows that Hannibal isn’t a psychopath. He goes through extreme trauma during a war and may have developed ASPD from there. It’s so bizarre to read it and be rooting for Hannibal even when you know what he becomes.
@@sarahhughes4437 I think the fact that he expresses love for his family and the castle’s employees proves that he’s not. His love of Misha especially. He feeds her scraps of food while he’s starving so that she might live even at the cost of his own life… but we know how that turned out 👀
I mean just from what we see and find out in the show, his ASPD was developed through trauma and his sense of morality and empathy isn't gone, it's just twisted. He's desperate for kinship and understanding, it's why he got so obsessed with Will in the first place, someone with the potential to be what he needs if he makes some... adjustments...
OMG I love getting new Hannibal updates from you, Dr Elliott! I'm currently doing a masters in immunology and inflammatory diseases and I was able to connect a lecture content to your encephalitis content from Will and had such an interesting conversation with my professor! I'm so happy whenever I see a Hannibal update from you and learn something about another science!!
My fav British Dr is back at it with my favorite show!! What a world! Here's a video idea, though I'm sure you have alot on your plate so here's my two cents. The amazing gentleman who made & was the showrunner Bryan Fuller does alot of great podcasts and such (see Kingcast podcast and many others). I think you two lovely gents would have a beautiful conversations about life, mental health & the show. Anyways, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and as always Thank You SO MUCH for spreading both knowledge and cheer!
I would really love to see you react to Community. It’s on the Peacock streaming service with the powerful episode in season 2 dealing with the topic of suicide that Netflix removed because of an accidental black face joke in tact. You could literally do like an episode a week or a couple a month and have material for like a year and a half. It’s not completely mental health related, but most of it is and I think you can get some great discussions out of it. The movie will start filming whenever the cast is all freed up from their contracts on other projects. The script is already written and it is already completely funded, just tricky getting around everyone’s schedules. I feel you will love professor Duncan. He is a psychology professor that is clearly not at all qualified for the position and he is played by John Oliver.
One thing I find unbelievably frustrating is the way people in the US view repressed memories in the US. It is not everyone, but many (especially if they did not finish their degree or they got a minor) have this idea that repressed memories are all fake. This comes from the psychiatrist that caused a panic by influencing children into thinking they were SA'd by their parents when they were not, because they were creating false memories when the kids were in a suggestible state. You would think that people could figure out the difference between that and someone working through trauma, or repressed memories coming to the surface because of new trauma. Unfortunately, this is often not the case. They view all repressed memories as planted by a therapist or delusions. It is incredibly frustrating. You need to go to someone who specializes in trauma to be taken seriously.
The Tarasov case will come up later, iirc. A patient says that, if they say they *have* killed someone, the psychiatrist would not have to report it, but if they said they were *going* to kill someone, they would.
Honest question, why is a metaphor for his feelings a thought instead of a feeling? Is the only "right" way to answer with an emotion Word like "sad" or "mad"?
Please do use metaphors but many of us use metaphors and label thoughts as feelings to avoid digging a bit deeper to identify the real emotional states that drive our thoughts and behaviours
Remorse is a tough one, for sure. It's painful af. You want to run fast and far from it. You can't tho, not if you want to gain and increase that clarity he mentions. If I ever go off the deep end and start eating my fellow humans, I hope I have a Doc. Elliot in my corner calling me a "rascal" and asking those simple - but tough - questions. Don't worry, I don't care for long pig 😂
TBC EMDR sometimes works. I have been through the process and it had no effect whatsoever. There are certain characteristics the patient must have in order for them to be susceptible to EMDR. It is not a proven nor reliable therapy.
If I had a nickel for every time Dr. Carthy makes me laugh at something that I probably should not be laughing at (e.g. "Does he at least feel regret for killing the people he then goes on to eat? There's a phrase...") I would be a freaking billionaire or something by now. I would be rich off a rather dark sense of humour.
The number of times in my day job I say something out loud to the team, pause and think, wow it's ridiculous that that's a completely normal thing to say within forensics...
I'm surprised at your statement about profiling because I am in the field (albeit not a forensic psychiatrist like you lol) and I've only ever been taught, including by John Douglas, that profiling is evidenced based when done correctly. I think maybe some can't get passed the negative connotation of the word.
Well I would definitely be keen to hear from disciplines that have an evidence base for it. The beautiful thing about science is that were always ready to change our mind in the face of new evidence
If you haven't heard it before could you please react to the song Trouble Is A Friend by Lenka, I'm very curious to see what you think of it. Other then that great vid, keep up the good work. :D
i am not a psychologist or whatever, but what i learned so far psychopath really can’t have a proper life like hannibal. like how hannibal is keen to smell, and have such control to his behavior. psychopath technically has a brain problem so can’t really be that highly intelligent(depending how you define intelligent). also depending how you define sociopath, he is more of a sociopath imo which has normal brain, but kinda turned on psychopathic tendency by strong conviction. but again i feel like he changed to early in life so not likely… so hannibal is total fiction imo. lol obviously… anyway again i am not a psychologist and didn’t studied in that major so i would be totally wrong.
Am I right in thinking that asking "How does that make you feel" is kind of a big no-no in psychiatry? Because they do it a lot in Hannibal, and it's almost always a sign that the person saying it isn't really doing good psychiatry in that moment. Chiltern is absolutely presented as being bad at it in the series, but I think Hannibal does it as well when he's being intentionally manipulative.
The truly ironic thing about the character Hannibal is that he's become such a notable pop culture portrayal of a serial killer that he's informed people's perceptions of serial killers and "psychopaths", yet if you read the original books, he was clearly intended to be so unique because he DIDN’T fit the typical profile of a serial killer. In fact, at several points in the books, characters even call into question whether Hannibal truly is a psychopath.
I read them in order of the story’s timeline a few months ago and felt that reading the prequel _Hannibal Rising_ threw the entire story in a completely different direction. I really enjoyed it.
I mean, I'd argue Hannibal in this show is a very interesting rendition of the character and far from a typical psychopath. He is driven by a warped sense of morality where life and death are not the motivating factors behind his ethics. Rather artistic expression and things such as class and rudeness are what inform his morals. In Hannibal's eyes, he acts impeccably, killing rude and ugly (internally) people to transform them into expressive tableaus and great culinary dishes. He is ridding the world of things that are unsightly in his view, and it is therefore a good thing to him. One of the things I love most about the show and this portrayal is the way that this unusual philosophy isn't exactly "wrong". Why should life and death be the main thing to dictate are actions on? Prioritising beauty in the world isn't necessarily less valid, even if it isn't a philosophy to which I ascribe. We see in the show how he can form emotional attachments and act empathetically, it's just that he's used to being surrounded by people with an unenlightened philosophy who are no better than animals because of it.
@@goodguykonrad3701 Your interpretation really resonates with me. And I agree that Hannibal does at times demonstrate a capacity for empathy. People often assume that horrible actions can only be a consequence of a lack of empathy, but empathetic people can absolutely be capable of destructive acts. Empathy and morality are 2 different things, and a capacity for empathy does not always lead to moral outcomes.
@@QueenArielViolet to add to the conversation about empathy, mads said this about hannibal: "I think it is in the nature of hannibal to be quite a genuine man… he doesn’t like lying. So he’s quite genuine with his emotions and he’s quite genuine with his empathy, but he’s also very much in control - he decides when [those feelings] happen."
basically he says that hannibal chooses when to have empathy, until the moment will arrives in his life
I'm so glad you're continuing with Hannibal! Season 2 has my favourite finale and the relationship between Will and Hannibal is so interesting
Mizumono is easily one of the two best episodes of tv I’ve ever watched
Hannibal is back! A real Xmas treat!
So happy to see you looking into Hannibal again! All the relationships in the show are so complex, I'm excited to hear your thoughts on it all!
Hannibal is back?! And it's not even Xmas yet! ❤❤❤
We are BACK, baybeee! Love all your videos, but Hannibal on holiday break? What a treat!
There was an episode of House (I know, your medically accurate absolute favorite lol) where a woman murders her baby while experiencing some kind of psychosis and when she is brought back to reality, it destroys her. I can't imagine what that must feel like.
Reading you mentioning house and this video being the topic of a cannibal reminds me of the one episode where they come across and heal a patient they find out at the end of an episode is actually a serial killer hunted by the FBI he was never even caught😱
The show always made the most sense to me when I didn't think of Hannibal as a person at all. That's obviously a metaphor. But he's like something else entirely - a curious, epicurean, remorseless, malevolent force of nature. He wants to understand people so he experiments with them. He manipulates them to watch how they behave and respond. He also seeks amusement. It would be silly to treat anything he says to his therapist as actual therapy. She's just another person that he's toying and experimenting with. And when he grows bored of a toy or dislikes it, he breaks it. He's kind of like a clockmaker god. He wound Will up and watched him go. And that's why his most common refrain when asked why he did something is, "I wanted to see what would happen."
The show even hangs a lantern on this at times. Alana, arguably the best and most insightful psychiatrist in the program (after Hannibal), asks him, "could I ever have understood you," and he calmly replies, "no." And I always thought of his cannibalism as two-sided. For the people he hates, it is an act of dominance and utter destruction. He consumes and obliterates them. For the people he admires (Will and Bedelia), eating them is a way of absorbing them into himself. It's a way of keeping them with him forever.
Not thinking of him as human is interesting. A bit like how society is so quick to demonise people as monsters (monstrous people rather than monstrous acts or monstrous states of mind)
Love your channel so much much. Discussing psychiatry, diagnosis, ethics, history of practice and studies, all with grounded and personable compassion. You have great presentation manner of information, you do a great job of juggling tasteful lightheartedness, empathy and sobriety around psychology, pathology and mental illness.
And I bloody love Hannibal too! ☺️🏳️🌈🥩
Hannibal has a much more colourful wardrobe than psychopaths are usually depicted having, which seems like a deeply rooted care of his
I can't wait to have your comments on more of S2 (and hopefully eventually S3). Hannibal continues to be one of my favourite TV shows of all time, and it's extremely interesting to hear a medical opinion about the psychiatry stuff mentioned in it. Especially since it's now that it's about 10 years old!
For anyone who enjoys the movie and show, I highly recommend the books. The prequel _Hannibal Rising_ shows that Hannibal isn’t a psychopath. He goes through extreme trauma during a war and may have developed ASPD from there. It’s so bizarre to read it and be rooting for Hannibal even when you know what he becomes.
IMO those circumstances still are evidence he is indeed a psychopath
@@sarahhughes4437 I think the fact that he expresses love for his family and the castle’s employees proves that he’s not. His love of Misha especially. He feeds her scraps of food while he’s starving so that she might live even at the cost of his own life… but we know how that turned out 👀
@@MissBlueEyeliner I'm open to discussion, but I also don't think he fits into psychopathy
I mean just from what we see and find out in the show, his ASPD was developed through trauma and his sense of morality and empathy isn't gone, it's just twisted. He's desperate for kinship and understanding, it's why he got so obsessed with Will in the first place, someone with the potential to be what he needs if he makes some... adjustments...
May I ask what happened to the earlier videos? 7 appear to have been hidden? I'd like to go through your series in order!
OMG I love getting new Hannibal updates from you, Dr Elliott! I'm currently doing a masters in immunology and inflammatory diseases and I was able to connect a lecture content to your encephalitis content from Will and had such an interesting conversation with my professor! I'm so happy whenever I see a Hannibal update from you and learn something about another science!!
LOVING the hannibal reactions!!
Would love to see more Hannibal episodes as I really want to understand more other than what's on the surface😊
My fav British Dr is back at it with my favorite show!! What a world!
Here's a video idea, though I'm sure you have alot on your plate so here's my two cents. The amazing gentleman who made & was the showrunner Bryan Fuller does alot of great podcasts and such (see Kingcast podcast and many others). I think you two lovely gents would have a beautiful conversations about life, mental health & the show. Anyways, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and as always Thank You SO MUCH for spreading both knowledge and cheer!
I would really love to see you react to Community. It’s on the Peacock streaming service with the powerful episode in season 2 dealing with the topic of suicide that Netflix removed because of an accidental black face joke in tact. You could literally do like an episode a week or a couple a month and have material for like a year and a half. It’s not completely mental health related, but most of it is and I think you can get some great discussions out of it. The movie will start filming whenever the cast is all freed up from their contracts on other projects. The script is already written and it is already completely funded, just tricky getting around everyone’s schedules. I feel you will love professor Duncan. He is a psychology professor that is clearly not at all qualified for the position and he is played by John Oliver.
I live for hannibal reactions ❤ the best video to end the year
One thing I find unbelievably frustrating is the way people in the US view repressed memories in the US. It is not everyone, but many (especially if they did not finish their degree or they got a minor) have this idea that repressed memories are all fake.
This comes from the psychiatrist that caused a panic by influencing children into thinking they were SA'd by their parents when they were not, because they were creating false memories when the kids were in a suggestible state.
You would think that people could figure out the difference between that and someone working through trauma, or repressed memories coming to the surface because of new trauma. Unfortunately, this is often not the case. They view all repressed memories as planted by a therapist or delusions. It is incredibly frustrating. You need to go to someone who specializes in trauma to be taken seriously.
Thank you Doctor! Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas t me! More Hannibal!
I am really excited to see what you think of season 2.
Ey oh! We got him! Made a new fan!
You're really making me want to watch this show!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO MEEEEE, i cannot believe i didn't get a notification for this
Awesome Christmas present
Thanks, Doctor Elliott
*gasp* the yellow minifig is back! Where were they for so long?
The Tarasov case will come up later, iirc. A patient says that, if they say they *have* killed someone, the psychiatrist would not have to report it, but if they said they were *going* to kill someone, they would.
hannibal mentionedddd!!!
omg best monday morning treat ever!
Best Christmas gift!
Já estava com saudade de vídeos sobre Hannibal
What a lovely Christmas present.
WE ARE SO BACK BABY!! But yeah deffinitly keep watching, several psychological topics you did and did not mention will appear. Also food porn!
The Mountain in the Sea. 10 points.
This show had no business making me hungry
Honest question, why is a metaphor for his feelings a thought instead of a feeling? Is the only "right" way to answer with an emotion Word like "sad" or "mad"?
Please do use metaphors but many of us use metaphors and label thoughts as feelings to avoid digging a bit deeper to identify the real emotional states that drive our thoughts and behaviours
Remorse is a tough one, for sure. It's painful af. You want to run fast and far from it. You can't tho, not if you want to gain and increase that clarity he mentions.
If I ever go off the deep end and start eating my fellow humans, I hope I have a Doc. Elliot in my corner calling me a "rascal" and asking those simple - but tough - questions.
Don't worry, I don't care for long pig 😂
You should react the interview with the vampire tv show
TBC EMDR sometimes works. I have been through the process and it had no effect whatsoever. There are certain characteristics the patient must have in order for them to be susceptible to EMDR. It is not a proven nor reliable therapy.
Sorry you didn't benefit from it. Many of my patients have but no treatment works for every single person (that goes for all of medicine)
If I had a nickel for every time Dr. Carthy makes me laugh at something that I probably should not be laughing at (e.g. "Does he at least feel regret for killing the people he then goes on to eat? There's a phrase...") I would be a freaking billionaire or something by now. I would be rich off a rather dark sense of humour.
The number of times in my day job I say something out loud to the team, pause and think, wow it's ridiculous that that's a completely normal thing to say within forensics...
He doesnt really loose control for a little while sorry to dissapoint
I'm surprised at your statement about profiling because I am in the field (albeit not a forensic psychiatrist like you lol) and I've only ever been taught, including by John Douglas, that profiling is evidenced based when done correctly. I think maybe some can't get passed the negative connotation of the word.
Well I would definitely be keen to hear from disciplines that have an evidence base for it. The beautiful thing about science is that were always ready to change our mind in the face of new evidence
If you haven't heard it before could you please react to the song Trouble Is A Friend by Lenka, I'm very curious to see what you think of it. Other then that great vid, keep up the good work. :D
Heyyy u should watch gotham 2014 its rlly interesting imo
Could you PLEASE PLEASE react to 90 Day: The Last Resort? 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 The “therapy” on there seems actively harmful even from a layman’s point of view
💖
I really like this series but have started wondering what that says about me as a person and thats scary
Nadolig llawen
Make a video on why you deleted 22 of the 30 lgbt videos in your playlist
i am not a psychologist or whatever, but what i learned so far psychopath really can’t have a proper life like hannibal. like how hannibal is keen to smell, and have such control to his behavior. psychopath technically has a brain problem so can’t really be that highly intelligent(depending how you define intelligent). also depending how you define sociopath, he is more of a sociopath imo which has normal brain, but kinda turned on psychopathic tendency by strong conviction. but again i feel like he changed to early in life so not likely… so hannibal is total fiction imo. lol obviously… anyway again i am not a psychologist and didn’t studied in that major so i would be totally wrong.
Am I right in thinking that asking "How does that make you feel" is kind of a big no-no in psychiatry?
Because they do it a lot in Hannibal, and it's almost always a sign that the person saying it isn't really doing good psychiatry in that moment. Chiltern is absolutely presented as being bad at it in the series, but I think Hannibal does it as well when he's being intentionally manipulative.