To everyone saying Sliker "genuinely thought he'd pay everyone back", reminder that one of his mods spoke out on Asmon's stream and said that at twitchcon EU Sliker told him he'd never see his money back and laughed. He deserves not an ounce of sympathy, he's not remorseful for what he did, just that he got caught.
Also he was asking for money days before this all broke, so nothing changed until people found out. I dont wanna dogpile because I've had a gambling addiction and I've used basically the same tactics to garner money from friends, but I always paid people back when I said I would. It was manipulative, and I've been "clean" for about 3 years, but it was a monster I had very little control on at the time. If I was earning more and had access to more then I'd have been in the same position as Sliker. Not excusing him or me but I know how different that person was to the person I am today. I hope Sliker takes an ENORMOUS fall and then finds his feet again
Go read up on gambling addiction mate. The thought process is exactly as he explains it, whether he's lying about him experiencing it or not, it's spot on. They _actually_ believe that they're just a couple spins away from the big win and then they'll repay every loan/theft/whatever. If they actually get the big win they'll do it as well, but then they'll gamble away the rest and come back to the people for more loans etc. It's the same with drug addictions. It completely hijacks your mental faculties when you don't have access to whatever you're addicted to. They're not demons lol. _Edit: all of that is true even if you openly act like an asshole to one or more of the people you loan money from. It's kinda part of the package, any excuse to not repay people will really help you gamble more._
@@fractal_mind562 The worst thing about addictions is that affects everyone involved with the said person, Slicker case is worst because he has a platform that expanded is circle to the extreme, you had only friends and family to get money from, Slicker have all of twitch to get money for his gambling, he need to be put in jail and get the help he need.
Sliker is a victim too, i give him that... but that changes absolutely nothing. He fucked himself and his friends, family and fans. Aka he might be a victim, but all the blame is on him regardless.
@@Sephiroso. Well, if you give a gambling addict a pile of money to pay off his gambling debts you might as well just burn the money. Addicts don't behave rational. I don't know if Sliker was already a piece of shit BEFORE he got addicted to gambling, but he certainly turned in a piece of shit after starting to gamble a lot... pretty much all addicts looking for their next fix do.
because Sliker didnt just hurt himself, but brought dozens of people into his shitty addiction, and actually hurt naive/innoncent people, and he used his status as a streamer to scam his direct audience
Well imagine scamming person with cancer for money with no intention of paying back (her situation is much more dire but he decides to pay back the streamers should make it obvious (or just watch here 49:12)) This guy deserves no remorse and should be judged accordingly.
Glad to see someone put it bluntly, it doesnt matter if he has a gambling addiction or not, what matters is that he unloads all his problems onto other people. If you have a gambling addiction that's affecting you, then you have my sympathy.. if you have a gambling addiction that's affecting the people around you instead, I have no sympathy for you. The moment you start putting other people in a shit situation just to pull yourself out of one, you stop being the victim. Simple as that.
This is what makes gamblers so horrible. Just like a drug-addict, they lie, cheat, and steal money from people around them to feed the addiction. But the gambler genuinely thinks they're gonna hit it big and pay everyone back with money to spare. Truly despicable people.
@@ronfoster6963 You make a point how everything comes from the disease and then blame the person, kinda cringe. kinda shows you dont even understand your own point
@@TheBuddaBrot Yeah I wouldn't even bother trying to explain this here. This is the "retributional justice but I'm still the good person" side of the drama. Like basically the people who watch The Punisher and wonder why Superman isn't more like him. Surely, if all these people who are "mysteriously" shitty are rotting in jail or dead, the world would magically be fixed.
This could be a ploy too, he had to have been watching all the streams and seen how him being a gambler was a possibility, how much easier an out that u did this all cause of an addiction, than you did it because you’re a piece of shit who doesn’t care about anyone. He told someone he took money from “you ain’t getting your money back” and chuckled. That isn’t an addict, that’s a sociopathic narcissistic who gets off on manipulating other people to get what they want. I think this whole gambling farce is an easy out but not the actual root of why he did what he did. Just my opinion based on what I heard. In the end I just wish the best to the victims that they can recoup and come back stronger, and wiser.
Asmon is so patient with his friend. I wish I had the ability to multi-task like him.. he’s doing so many things at the same time but manages to stay chill and focused
I had a friend from high school that was a coke fiend and we'd get messages and videos over Facebook like Sliker's ALL THE TIME. Almost exactly word for word 😂
Same there was this guy I grew up with and he said you can’t be around me unless you give me at least $50 hahahahahaha dudes in prison for neglected homicide for the lack of regard he has
It's pretty standard addict behaviour, from what I understand. Not sure why Asmon seemingly ignores that what happened was a direct result of his addiction.
yea he doesnt give a shit that the guy is an addict. no one is defending the shit hes done. he should be in a mental health facility and not jail too. Jail would just fuck him up more but the US doesnt give a shit for that.
Asmon, one of the things I've admired about you is how you e decided to utilize your wealth - or at least how it's portrayed idk what goes on behind closed doors. Youve never let it consume you or become your personality. It's always been a tool for you to continue to build up the people and things you want to see in the world. I don't always agree with your opinion, but it's always one I respect.
I never watched asmongold due to a lot of people I was acquaintances with said he was a horrible person. Then I realized those people were horrible people and was like "I'm going to watch asmongold out of spite". I haven't looked back. Other than being entertaining, he just feels genuine. You know he isn't hitting anyone up because his bank is all messed up.
What does he do with his money to help people? The fuck you talking about. He is just a dude who is fun to watch and makes millions and uses it for himself, which is completely fine. Stop glorifying people and focus on yourself.
@@cynnabean2797 just goes to show how perception is everything and how easily people can be manipulated. Always have an open mind for everything and learn both sides with minimal bias. Good stuff man
@@gormatrok5286 so true! Oddly enough the first video of his I pulled up was the one where someone said he wish he had asmongolds life. His response is something I'll never forget, sucks I can never catch him live but I'm glad i took the leap lol.
regardless of whether Sliker is addicted to gambling he still made the conscious choice to take money from others to feed his addiction whatever pity exists for him needs to be weighed against the harm he did to others, Sliker needs to be banned from these platforms so as not to harm anyone any further
@@c0nc3ntr8d6 Yes. You can change whilst not being in a platform. Thats the entire point of jail, you are separating the "bad" people from good "people" not because they cant change but because of accountability. He needs to prove that he's worthy of having a platform, after a rehab perhaps or after paying back the debt. You dont get given pity if you've done something heinous, this is a really stupid take. Streaming isn't the only job he can take to pay the debt, he took his streaming privileges and misused it. Empathy should always come to the victims, not him. People who want him deplatformed simply want less victims. If you ever feel the need to take the number of people he scammed over someone as scum as him for "a chance that he can change" is very insensitive. I could ask you the same thing, IF I SCAMMED YOUR PARENTS, Your friends and you as well that you'd be willing to let me have a subathon to pay you back??? HELL NO YOU wont. Empathy isn't blind, stop being blind and you'll understand empathy.
@@trax72 he did it for 2 years man, last time he did it was 2 weeks ago, he did it to hachubi, to a girl named linneathecake, where she loaned him 10k and he payed back then refunded so she didn't get shit, is it not his fault? is it the victims fault? be real with yourself, he isn't facing any consecuenses, Ludwig and X are gonna pay his debts and he isn't gonna make even the slightest effort to pay it back. You can be addicted and a good person, or addicted and a dickhead like sliker.
This whole thing is mind blowing to me. How some ppl give money so easily to someone they barely know. And how this entire thing didn't leak sooner considering the amount of ppl involved.
I find it equally odd that so many of these people consider him a "friend", like you've never met him and only talked to him a few times online and now he's your friend and you trust him enough to give him thousands of dollars ? I may be an ass but that sounds like a stupid decision to make.
If you are young and easily impressionable you would not much doubt your favorite streamer that you already are subbed to. Other streamers fell for it. You need to have a good amount of cynicism to avoid that crap.
@@someguy3508 Slikker was one of a kind and was downright hilarious when he was at his best... It's not hard to see why people wouldn't be opposed to giving him money.. He made made the Rajj shows for me back when I watched them.... Regardless, it's crazy how comfortable he felt asking $1000+ and asking multiple times after they sent him money the first time, and how long it took for this to leak out considering how many people he did this to
Imagine you are in a scenario where a friend of yours steals fleshlights from your house, that are modeled after your girlfriend .... and then uses them ..... imagine the reality some people live in. that sounds like something out of a movie about college
I gotta agree here, I was a straight heroin addict and still managed to keep my morales of not hurting anyone else from my addiction (besides my family worrying obviously) It was not easy, at all. So many times It would have been so easy to just steal from someone to get high. 3 years clean now 🎉
The fact that this guy ragged in 300k and continues to stream and film himself just a day after like nothing happened. Hurting people. I have no sympathy for this guy make him disappear
The problem I have with all of this drama, is that Sliker has never even proved that he's been gambling. We're all on the bandwagon of getting him the "help he needs." But we don't know if he actually did this. He hasn't proved any of it.. and for all we know, he's just going to get away with it.
He did show Miz on stream. I don’t care regardless, he knows what hes doing. Addiction or not, he knows its wrong because hes asking for secrecy with his requests. He knows. Jail.
seems sus tho why would one of his link on stream be on a gamba site. And if Isn't gamba, then wtf is? how bad is it that all that money would be gone?
@@tja4379 it prevents him from doing it again, he definitely deserves some jail time, live n learn, bro just cried about people finding out he barely apologized to the actual working people who he robbed their lives from
@@tja4379 Since when was high-level Felony Theft not a jailable offense? For ever action there is a reaction. There are consequences for your actions and this is one of them. He wont pay anyone back. He cant most likely. Him being out does more damage that good showing people that “oh its ok to steal hundreds of thousands from your followers and friends just as long as when you get caught, you come clean!” Yeah ok bud.
@@morals5025 um, theft, is a crime. yes. however people "willingly giving you money" for whatever reason, is not theft. Guess what, even if you "say" youre going to pay it back. Thats literally how scam and call centers continue to exist, people give their money away willingly, no crime is commited
@@JustAPriapism I mean fraud is a crime too, he is asking for money under false pretenses, and while yes ppl still give it willingly, doesnt mean it's not a crime. And ppl have a lot of proof about him asking money pretending his bank account is fronzen, mums need to fly home, pp frozen. Those things can easilly be confirmed by officials. Couple of UK ppl should file a report to cops, and he will be investigated.
If this shows anything it shows streamers are so easily emotionally and financially manipulated. This guy stole their livelihood, hours of their lives and they STILL want to give him the benefit of the doubt. No you bust his kneecaps and move on.
Just being a discount armchair psychdoc, but it seems to me that most streamers are still kinda kids mentally. Would explain why streamer houses are so common. They cant live alone let alone take care of themselves. Or how stupid so many of them are where they have a job that doesnt requiere them to be in a specific location but most of them move to the retardingly expensive cities to live there
TBH i think he didn't pay back Mizkif. There was a moment where Sliker said that he still owes him Mizkif shushed him. I think that Mizkif wanted to be nice and told that he paid him back to not make it worse.
@@maikuosu1719 He never kept track as he was not planning to return the money. That's why he came with that 12 person list, which is obviously not every scammed person
Paying back your big streamer friend that later gave you a platform to defend yourself on borrowing money from other, lesser, preceived people with no sign of giving it back... Sounds about right.
The fact that people are, including streamers, willing to give a guy they really don’t know from the internet thousands of dollars is crazy. Edit: fixing grammar
People who watch him for years or months probably either thought of him as trustworthy because of how long they watched him. Or they felt bad. Or they thought, no way I'd get scammed since he is a streamer. They probably thought that a relatively big streamer won't have issue paying them back and that they wouldn't get scammed since it's so easy to ruin you streamer career this way. I have never donated to a streamer before let alone like with sliker. But this is what I think they thought.
A lot of the streamers that gave him money (as far as I know) hung out with him outside of just the internet. I can't really care about people who get scammed by only knowing someone that they never even hung out with.
Never seen Asmon rage against a humnan before he usually looks in to both sides of the story,he is not wrong btw sliker ahs used a lot of the community streamers,mods,subs its low
Reimbursing the people who were scammed doesn't enable Slicker, it enables the pyramid of enablers fuelling the whole thing. - It's emotionally convenient to lend people money without oversight, especially when they claim they'll pay you back more - It's emotionally convenient to donate other people's money to "save" the victims from the consequences of their irresponsibility and greed - It's emotionally convenient to sacrifice an addict to avoid taking personal responsibility or blaming the majority Beyond averting medical disasters, I don't think anyone should be reimbursed. Anyone donating to reimburse them is just doing exactly the same thing as the people who Slicker borrowed from to pay earlier lenders. The cost is just being shifted further from the point of origin. Streamers with gambling sponsorships reimbursing people is even more moronic. It's removal of critical feedback. Out of the dealer, the addict and the enablers, I think the enablers are the ones who most need to learn something, but are the least likely to as long as they have someone to sacrifice in their place. I wonder how many people comprehend how their charity has led to the financial ruin of some of their peers. The betrayed also betrayed each other. If Slicker can be blamed for not exercising self control, then everyone else involved definitely can. Irresponsible generosity is not a virtue. Slicker didn't reward and condition himself. He got as far as he did and affected as many people as he did because of the help he received. If this comment resonates with anyone, I recommend looking up "The Philosophy of Kreia" here on TH-cam. Who is to blame is irrelevant. What matters is what improves the future. The only people who can avoid a repeat of this situation are the people who were scammed or the government. Expecting Slicker to not scam you is self-defeating. And the gambling sites didn't lose anything and don't care. In fact, reimbursing people helps gambling sites and scammers retain the pool of enablers needed to run them.
An explanation is not an excuse, and feeling for people struggling with addiction IS NOT the same as defending them or seeing him as the ultimate victim. The people who he stole from are victims but someone who destroys their live like this, obviously has a problem. And we can do and feel more than one thing at the same time.
Another critical distinction between online and IRL casinos: gambling addicts can put themselves on an exclusion list, and if they try to go gamble at the physical casinos, they will be refused, and kicked out. Sketchy as hell online crypto-casinos operating under gaming licenses from Curacao barely even bother checking if you're even who you tell them that you are, let alone take any sort of steps to turn away admitted gambling addicts.
When you steal money from someone going through chemo therapy - and you’re aware of that - and you do so with the intent to gamble/whatever the money: you’re pure evil. I don’t understand how anyone is trying to do anything but put this guy away so he’s no longer a danger to other people.
xqc even offering him to help pay his debt shows such a lack of awareness on his part too. guy runs a scam, cries, calls himself suicidal... gets sympathy for it
He paid back tectone and then refunded it back, how many people did he do that to. Most steamers wouldn't even realise he did that or think he would do something like that to them because their friends.
29:51 naw man, how do you betray one of the most wholesome streamers. i felt bad for hachu, i mean yeah probably most ppl gonna say its her fault for being too nice, but when u thought u were sincerely helping someone, u felt like you are doing the right thing.
I think practically anyone having some 'good' take on this drama while gambling themselves are just coping so incredibly hard, constantly shoving problems like this off on the person in question rather than finally taking a stance against gambling themselves. Then again, that would require them kicking their own addictions and habits and big paychecks. Which they won't. Train.
@@forkittens Allow me to be the first like. They only posted the comment 7 minutes ago as of this writing, sounds like someone reacted pretty quickly...
@@forkittens who knows. I think pushing gambling on a platform that isn't inherently for adults is a ridiculous thing to begin with and making your stream "18+" doesn't do shit, it keeps getting pushed onto children who only see the slots rolling while every now and then a tool is saying "oh but don't gamble guys" after janking the lever another 100 times while making big bucks. That in itself is more degenerate than hot tub and ASMR streams put together.
Gambling is not the issue. Its been around since the beginning of time lmao. Everyone knows its sponsored and knows its house money. If watching them lose 37 rolls in a row then finally winning one makes someone want to gamble, i think it is an IQ problem the person should deal with.
Also Sliker is a pos, addiction or not, and knows what he is doing. Not defending the actions of someone who is essentially a sociopath finessing people (some in WAY worse situations than him) out of the little money they have.
I agree with Minx. Ofc the want to help those who aren't famous and got scammed, which is nobel. But it takes away from the pressure that is directed at that guy
Obviously gambling addictions sucks but at a certain point he definitely knew he wasn’t gonna be able to pay off his debts and he continued to dig himself deeper. Also some of the people who he took money from promising to pay them back really needed the money. It’s hard to feel bad for a guy who takes away a college students tuition and a chemo patients 7k.
I had an old friend/neighbor who unfortunately became an addict right after H.S, and would constantly hit people up that we went to school with to borrow money, and he would "pay them back". People found out about his drug/alcohol addiction and they blasted the fuck out of him on social media. He eventually moved and, Months later he still had the audacity to ask for money. *Needless to say, I distanced myself from him, I don't even talk to him anymore*, what worried me is he knows where I live and I didn't want him to just stop by one day. Which, gladly, hasn't happened. Last time I saw him was on Instagram, like 2 months ago, just absolutely smashed? Blasted? Whatever term you wanna use, he was just gone, fucked up. At first I felt horrible for not giving money, I was broke at the time, but everything he did came to surface and I was extremely glad I didn't. He always talked about starting his own business and investing, etc etc. Addiction is horrible.
So many saying "I thought he was my friend..." people don't seem to know what real friends and what friendship is anymore. And those who believe there should be some legal justice for this: people who basically gave a stranger money did that - ultimately - out of their free will voluntarily, unfortunately. Compassion is one thing but naivity and gullibility are another - and that was the payment for this life lesson.
The woman on stream crying about how people should chill out on Slicker and that she's afraid he's gonna off himself has REAL "In on it" Vibes lol. She in on it bro lol
I remember asmon saying that he likes sliker and that he's a funny guy quite some time ago. Completely understandable that he has now turned his back on him like everyone else did but this incident proves a lot about streamers and their internet persona
I think the past years we have seen time and time again how the people we 'see' on the internet are a far cry from who the person behind the cameras are.
I disagree, I'm sure you've felt the same towards someone in your life at some point too. No one is perfect and chances are even your favourite people (if you ignore the fact that nowadays there's a big chance of your favourite person being someone you don't even know) have bad sides. It's not simple arithmetics for the good to cancel out the bad or vice versa, but in this case the bad obviously outweighs any of the good, which is what sets it apart
You say that as though asmon knew slik personally so let me ask you this: You play say, WoW or League. The company produces content that has perverts, molesters and even rapists working in there for example. What does that say and prove about you and your own persona when it gets exposed? Does liking and playing the content provided mean you inherently belong to the same group and can't turn your backs on/condemn the company's actions? Your argument falls apart once it's applied on yourself, try to hate watch asmon harder by listening to the wisdom he might have just for you.
@@junhao63 You completely missed my point. Let me explain it to you like i would to a toddler because it feels like that's what you need me to. In front of camera not always real. It's pretty self-explanatory but let me also clarify that I'm not a hate watcher been watching this guy for the past what 5-6 years? How did you come to this conclusion too lol
Iv experienced this behaviour from a family member personally, drug & gambling addicts especially if its both changes a person in ways you cant imagine. So when i saw and heard about this dude it felt painfull, its as if the person you thought you knew has been replaced and you cant accept it.
36:30 I think the point a lot of people are missing about the situation with xQc, Ludwig, and TrainWreck, is they aren't really giving Sliker a way out. He's never going to pay that money to those people. If you want to think of it, Sliker would now owe THEM the money that they repay. So technically speaking they are taking the debt onto themselves because they feel they can better withstand the hit. Honestly I believe if they do do this, they would fully be within their rights to tell Sliker to "Dance Monkey Dance!" because they've basically bought him for the price of the debts. They should have him out there in a stupid costume, helping them raise money for charities and crap, or whatever they want to tell him to do. He's not being let off, he's just indebted to new, more powerful people. Samaritan Andy can't do crap to guilt/leverage this guy, but I don't know that Scammer Andy want's to throw down on social media against the likes of those who'll be holding his marker. Just my $0.02. If they help the victims, at least his debt will be held by more empowered people.
U shifted too much attention to them having control of the debt. The main thing is that they would pay back all the common folk that would actually suffer without that money.
glad to see asmon come out and say what no1 wanted to say. If this wasn't sliker who did it, the lsf streamer crew would have been so much madder. This is par for the course gambling addiction behavior. But if someone did this to me or the people where I grew up, they'd have gotten themselves killed or beaten very near it.
Bruh Cody is so hilarious!! He's just like a normal guy that got absorbed by Twitch randomly and he gets front row seats behind the scenes being close friends with Asmon Cody is great man hahaha
So I think I figured something out. Gambling addiction has a higher suicide rate than addiction because a drug addict can sometimes really contain the fallout to their own lives. They won't make anyone's life any easier, but they don't always destroy someone else's life. With gambling, you probably ask to borrow money, thinking you can pay them back after you win, but you lose, rinse and repeat with 50 other people and when the house of cards gets knocked over, the fucking gambling addict has all those people he pissed off, coming at him, all at once, and asking for their money, and the pressure is probably too much for most people who don't have friends who can bail them out.
Yeah i was really disappointed in that and kinda knew that was his way of saying “i dont plan on improving”. Hasan was trying to give genuinely good advice on how he could turn his life around and he totally just deflected with jokes. Like there are some times in life when you can’t rely on jokes anymore and have to take things seriously if you actually want to get better.
@@domerame5913 Lack of empathy for others. Impulsive behavior. Attempting to control others with threats or aggression. Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others
@@domerame5913 lol sounds like maybe you're just like this scammer guy and by defending him you're indirectly defending yourself. Good luck out there buddy
I am currently on sickleave for depression/suicidal and it is a horrible thing. But I still would not feel any sort of empathy if he would of himself after what he has done.
xQc’a offer is so slimy. I am happy that many victims will be getting their money back, but he is only doing it cause the controversy is about gambling and that’s his biggest meal ticket. He doesn’t want to talk about the dangers of it and wants everyone to think that since they will be made whole, it’s not a big problem that one of the biggest streamers scammed 100s of thousands of dollars from people in the pursuit of gambling.
I don't have ANY idea what the laws in the UK are, and I won't pretend to, but is there no legal route that the victims can take? This has to be enough money to qualify for something more than just "borrowing" money from people and not paying it back. Or maybe not. Maybe there are zero laws to prevent stuff like this from happening / protect victims like there are with Ponzi schemes and other financial scams. Is it REALLY just that cut and dry? If you borrow money for personal gain it's fine but if you do it under the guise of a company it's then illegal? That doesn't make ANY sense.
As a recovering addict, fucking thank you Asmon. People need to know it and I agree completely. You only can move forward but if you start bringing people into YOUR addiction, you could keel over for all I care tbh. We don't need to give anyone special treatment. He's always gonna be a piece of shit.
I do feel some small amount of sympathy for him, the same I feel for anyone addicted to something. HOWEVER, being addicted to gambling, or anything for that matter, doesn't mean you don't deserve any consequences for your actions. Jail time doesn't sound unreasonable tbh.
@@Cylox5 most ppl out of rehabs easily fell back to the addictions, you just exposing more people to him doing the same thing again, but with a few months delay
@@Cylox5 Imo jail time is a serious enough consequence that really drills home the fact that this was a terrible thing to do, and will discourage him from doing similar things in the future. Rehab is also an option, but I don't think it alone will really help him the way he needs. At least it seldom does in my experience.
@@JugsKise Numbers wise, in the US both jail and rehab have terrible recidivism/relapse rates. I think Sliker is UK based, though, so things might be different there. At any rate, jail time isn't given when it "isn't unreasonabe", it's given when the law says it must be, and we don't know how the entire situation will shake out yet.
@@Poldovico These are both actually good points, especially the second one. Only people that can put him in jail are not commenting on an Asmongold youtube video lol. At this point it's best just to wait and see, I suppose.
So is the only good thing that came out of all this slicker drama (which I don’t really like to get into but is just flooding my youtube feeds) is that twitch finally bans gambling stream to some extent soon?
I mean Asmon is right in many ways about Sliker not being redeemable and deserving of the repercussions, but I also heavily disagree on parts his viewpoint as well. Hating Sliker will not solve the problem or the pain that was caused by his actions.. in fact, it will create more and put more focus on the negative aspect of this outcome. Enjoying his pain is something I view as almost sadistic and disgusting considering we are all very capable of being in his shoes, and what makes it even more disturbing is the fact Asmon would decide to PRAISE him (even if jokingly) if he was a mastermind at what he did and managed to get away. Yes Sliker scammed a bunch of poor people out of their money, was an incredibly bad person and has made some really disgusting hypocritical decisions regarding his social life, and he will have to live with those repercussions. In no way is Sliker NOT going to be affected by this in his social and financial circle. My point here is with how we are all deciding to deal with the problem. It is very disturbing to watch a popular streamer like Asmongold completely ignore someones plea for a suicidal person in an emotional breakdown, trying to give another perspective to the situation, only to be trumped by a viewpoint from a rich basement dweller on how we should morally serve justice by collectively pushing him to suicide, on the notion of him not being able to harm others. We are still talking about a life here, a life with a lot of potential, even in these circumstances, especially for positive change. And to completely disregard life in that way, only to become a righteos emotion driven idiot who tunnel visions a version of justice they deem appropriate. Im not talking about the potential bad things he still could do in his life, althought i can guarantee if we keep treating him with this negativity, how do you expect a person in that position to strive for positive change? I mean your whole american prison and justice system is a bad fucking joke, with an almost 80% recidivism rate. Its absolutely pathetic how you deal with outliers and expect them to heal their trauma by shitting in their mouth and treating them like garbage. Im not justifying Slikers actions, im condemning the internets reaction. There are mature ways of solving this issue and getting Sliker the help he so obviously needs. Ludwig and X are one example of how you try and bring a positive change to such a negative situation. Sliker deserves the consequences, but he also deserves human empathy and Love. show him the proper way of living and experiencing life, don't give him the same lesson hes known all his life.
@@danielshore1457 And if he skinned a girls mother infront of her. my point stays the same. Just because you chose to come to come to earth with your perspective, doesn't mean you should judge his. especially if its from an emotionally charged position.
Asmon is one of those rare kinds of people. A man with real integrity and is a decent human being. Love you Asmon and I hope things stay good for you and your career!!!
Sorry but why again are we assuming that Sliker is addicted to gambling? Because he said so? Are we taking him by his word? Seriously? This reeks like another scam. After all, he has always stylized himself as the 'master manipulator'. Now he sheds some tears and gets big streamers to prevent legal action by paying off his debt and is now able to pocket even more money using sympathy and reinvent himself as a victim. Disgusting.
he has been gambling since 2019 xqc & mizkif went through all of his accounts yesteday on stream and his ex girlfriend said they broke up because he had a sports gambling problem for years. Basically he has been gambling years before the gambling meta began on twitch
I didn't like this take man, he does need help, everyone who acts like this period, needs help. It doesn't matter if he lost it to gambling or he just kept it. Yes jail would be good for him and would help him but, the fact Asmon said that he doesn't care about him at all is just ikky to me.
Being scammed in an online game for gold worth of few days of grinding was the best thing that happened to me at young age. Very quickly I was aware of many scam schemes and later in life managed to safe friends from losing their real life savings. No better teacher than a cold shower of realisation that you've been scammed.
Wait... I must admit, that Asmons take on all this has left me feeling a bit cold. Stating that he doesn't give a fuck if a person is suicidal? Asmon talks frequently about all the times he and his friends scammed and stole things. When the Slicker shit dropped and people posted a video of him using the N word lots of times.... there is a reason Asmon quickly moved to dismiss it, it's because Asmon used to drop the N world all the time back in the day. (Which I don't really care about but it's so disingenious) So here you have a guy who readily admits to lying, stealing, defrauding and scamming people for years. Acting in the super righteous way regarding this situation? It's clear Slicker is a POS. I just find it a little hard to take this moral grandstanding from someone like Asmongold.
Nah this ain't it chief. Imagine trying to frame this as though Asmond shouldn't talk shit about someone WHO FRAUDS A CANCER PATIENTS. What a smooth brain take.
Sliker doesn't sound suicidal, he hasn't proved he has a gambling addiction and he's just been platformed by one of the biggest streamers, now there's heards of sympathetic viewers and he doesn't have to pay back the money bcus others are going to do it for him. Offline he's in a good place 👍
For starters, 'zack' is a person and is allowed to learn and grow like the rest of us. Y'all are gonna bring things up from 20 years ago, it's insane. He'll have good takes, he'll have bad ones, surprise, he's human. And lets be real, content is king for these people, they will cover it until it's beaten to the ground. Mizkif had no hesitation, same shit with Andrew tater tot. He has been open about his past and "degenerate" lifestyle. He can smell a guy like slicker a mile away, he knows the type. The guy isn't sorry, he's sorry he got caught. And he isn't at rock bottom yet.
To be fair it's really difficult to have empathy over someone scamming people that are genuinely open to help his situation. The malice and the fact that he only admitted everything on live, with those fake crocodile tears, playing it on people's empathy, don't know man, it sickens me. He should be helped (if what he said about him being a suicidal is really true) but he should absolutely pay for what he did
I don't know how a person can look at that guys face and NOT see someone who will try to scam you if he can. I think at that point it's borderline their own fault.
What's really disapointing in all of this are the influencers who lent him money and knew something was scummy about it but kept completely quiet until it blew up in his face, Sliker scammed people out of life changing money, anyone who could've called him out but kept quiet should feel ashamed, their voice could've prevented Sliker from scamming his audience who are struggling to make ends meet.
"sliker is suicidal" he clearly wasnt feeling that way before he got exposed. this time hes just trying to manipulate people for their sympathy instead of their money. how hes not banned after he scammed his twitch subs is beyond belief. paying off his gambling debt and helping the people that were manipulated ARE NOT the same at all though. i think once xqc and them come to a conclusion about how much the total amount they are paying back to the people he scammed are they should get sliker to agree to pay the streamers back so hes still held accountable for the debt. even though it will obviously be a formality i think it would cover both sides of the coin. the victims get their money back and he would still be held accountable for his debt. if he really wants to prove that he has remorse and intends to really pay the money back then he could do it that way.
some ppl like that asks mafia instead for gambling/drug money and finally get beaten for not returning the money. Pretty sure smt bad like this may happen to Slikker, alot of person are furious about what he did. (sorry for my bad english btw x)
moe also has a past of scamming people, which is probably why hes ok with what slicker did. moe used to sell league of legend accounts then report them as hacked so he would get the money and also the account back then do it again. of course its not on slicker's level but a scammer is a scammer. takes one to know one.
"Such kindnesses will mean nothing, his path is set. Giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands, and would that be a kindness? What if by surviving another day, he brings a greater darkness upon another? , the slightest push, the smallest touch, sends echoes throughout life, even an act of kindness may have more severe repercussions than you know or can see, by giving him something he has not earned, perhaps all you have helped him become is a target. Seeing another elevated often brings the eyes of others who suffer. And perhaps in the end, all you have wrought is more pain, and that is my lesson to you. Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clenched fist" -A very old Character from a very old Star Wars game
I'm afraid the reimbursement by the other streamers may discourage contacting authorities. People made hold by others still should step forward and press charges, to protect FUTURE victims.
To everyone saying Sliker "genuinely thought he'd pay everyone back", reminder that one of his mods spoke out on Asmon's stream and said that at twitchcon EU Sliker told him he'd never see his money back and laughed. He deserves not an ounce of sympathy, he's not remorseful for what he did, just that he got caught.
Also he was asking for money days before this all broke, so nothing changed until people found out. I dont wanna dogpile because I've had a gambling addiction and I've used basically the same tactics to garner money from friends, but I always paid people back when I said I would. It was manipulative, and I've been "clean" for about 3 years, but it was a monster I had very little control on at the time. If I was earning more and had access to more then I'd have been in the same position as Sliker. Not excusing him or me but I know how different that person was to the person I am today. I hope Sliker takes an ENORMOUS fall and then finds his feet again
Go read up on gambling addiction mate. The thought process is exactly as he explains it, whether he's lying about him experiencing it or not, it's spot on. They _actually_ believe that they're just a couple spins away from the big win and then they'll repay every loan/theft/whatever. If they actually get the big win they'll do it as well, but then they'll gamble away the rest and come back to the people for more loans etc.
It's the same with drug addictions. It completely hijacks your mental faculties when you don't have access to whatever you're addicted to. They're not demons lol.
_Edit: all of that is true even if you openly act like an asshole to one or more of the people you loan money from. It's kinda part of the package, any excuse to not repay people will really help you gamble more._
@@fractal_mind562 The worst thing about addictions is that affects everyone involved with the said person, Slicker case is worst because he has a platform that expanded is circle to the extreme, you had only friends and family to get money from, Slicker have all of twitch to get money for his gambling, he need to be put in jail and get the help he need.
Sliker is a victim too, i give him that... but that changes absolutely nothing. He fucked himself and his friends, family and fans. Aka he might be a victim, but all the blame is on him regardless.
@@Sephiroso. Well, if you give a gambling addict a pile of money to pay off his gambling debts you might as well just burn the money.
Addicts don't behave rational.
I don't know if Sliker was already a piece of shit BEFORE he got addicted to gambling, but he certainly turned in a piece of shit after starting to gamble a lot... pretty much all addicts looking for their next fix do.
Trust people once. When they show their true colors its done. There is no defending this guy, like why do strangers treat him like a friend. Madness
@@DerelictSong but you will also miss some great chances. to hardly ever trust people can't work well for a social being
@@tja4379 Made a value judgement and determined the loss outweighed the gain. Same reason gambling is dumb lol.
his color alone should stop anyone from giving him money dude look like he got c4 on him 24/7
Parasocialy attached people who are going through some shit
I've put too much trust in people in the past and one lesson i learned is to do as Ronald Reagan said: "Trust, but verify"
this is actually the 1st time i saw asmon genuinely hated a guy, like to the core. and he covered a whole lot of hateful ones as well on stream.
It’s because it wasn’t a respectable or smart scam
True, but hes not wrong tought
because Sliker didnt just hurt himself, but brought dozens of people into his shitty addiction, and actually hurt naive/innoncent people, and he used his status as a streamer to scam his direct audience
Well imagine scamming person with cancer for money with no intention of paying back (her situation is much more dire but he decides to pay back the streamers should make it obvious (or just watch here 49:12))
This guy deserves no remorse and should be judged accordingly.
And he earned my respect by doing so.
Steal 300 000k: goes to jail
Steal 300 000k to gamble: go to rehab and everything is fine
Respect to Asmon for speaking the cold hard truth
its a little jarring coming from him given how he's explained his past but I still have to agree, kudos to him
So brave.
He usually does. 👀
i totally agree with him!!! this sliker is a parasite. using religion and his culture to take advantage of ppl. SMH
ty asmond 100% right , dont know who the KR women is but i feel so sad for her man.. fck
Glad to see someone put it bluntly, it doesnt matter if he has a gambling addiction or not, what matters is that he unloads all his problems onto other people. If you have a gambling addiction that's affecting you, then you have my sympathy.. if you have a gambling addiction that's affecting the people around you instead, I have no sympathy for you. The moment you start putting other people in a shit situation just to pull yourself out of one, you stop being the victim. Simple as that.
This is what makes gamblers so horrible. Just like a drug-addict, they lie, cheat, and steal money from people around them to feed the addiction. But the gambler genuinely thinks they're gonna hit it big and pay everyone back with money to spare. Truly despicable people.
@@ronfoster6963 You make a point how everything comes from the disease and then blame the person, kinda cringe. kinda shows you dont even understand your own point
@@TheBuddaBrot Yeah I wouldn't even bother trying to explain this here. This is the "retributional justice but I'm still the good person" side of the drama. Like basically the people who watch The Punisher and wonder why Superman isn't more like him. Surely, if all these people who are "mysteriously" shitty are rotting in jail or dead, the world would magically be fixed.
This could be a ploy too, he had to have been watching all the streams and seen how him being a gambler was a possibility, how much easier an out that u did this all cause of an addiction, than you did it because you’re a piece of shit who doesn’t care about anyone. He told someone he took money from “you ain’t getting your money back” and chuckled. That isn’t an addict, that’s a sociopathic narcissistic who gets off on manipulating other people to get what they want. I think this whole gambling farce is an easy out but not the actual root of why he did what he did. Just my opinion based on what I heard. In the end I just wish the best to the victims that they can recoup and come back stronger, and wiser.
@@TheBuddaBrot by definition gambling addiction is a mental disease no one is to blame for mental illness BUT he is responsible for your recovery
It took me way too long to realise Cody was sitting right beside him lmao
Stealth camo lol
I didn't realize until 28 minutes into the video LMAO
Well 22 mins in I saw your comment🤣. Pal must be a rogue lmao😂
Asmon is so patient with his friend. I wish I had the ability to multi-task like him.. he’s doing so many things at the same time but manages to stay chill and focused
Lol naw, you can pick up here in there every time he talks about Miz here. Pretty sure he got pissed that miz subbed and then had him on the stream
I had a friend from high school that was a coke fiend and we'd get messages and videos over Facebook like Sliker's ALL THE TIME. Almost exactly word for word 😂
Same there was this guy I grew up with and he said you can’t be around me unless you give me at least $50 hahahahahaha dudes in prison for neglected homicide for the lack of regard he has
Bruh i did this to my friends over faceboook... xD i was an addict at the time. But been clean for 1½ years!
@@sveddigesvend3524 Congrats dude!
It's pretty standard addict behaviour, from what I understand. Not sure why Asmon seemingly ignores that what happened was a direct result of his addiction.
yea he doesnt give a shit that the guy is an addict. no one is defending the shit hes done. he should be in a mental health facility and not jail too. Jail would just fuck him up more but the US doesnt give a shit for that.
Asmon, one of the things I've admired about you is how you e decided to utilize your wealth - or at least how it's portrayed idk what goes on behind closed doors.
Youve never let it consume you or become your personality. It's always been a tool for you to continue to build up the people and things you want to see in the world. I don't always agree with your opinion, but it's always one I respect.
He has a gamer soul :)) money or not he is the same .
I never watched asmongold due to a lot of people I was acquaintances with said he was a horrible person. Then I realized those people were horrible people and was like "I'm going to watch asmongold out of spite". I haven't looked back. Other than being entertaining, he just feels genuine. You know he isn't hitting anyone up because his bank is all messed up.
What does he do with his money to help people? The fuck you talking about. He is just a dude who is fun to watch and makes millions and uses it for himself, which is completely fine. Stop glorifying people and focus on yourself.
@@cynnabean2797 just goes to show how perception is everything and how easily people can be manipulated. Always have an open mind for everything and learn both sides with minimal bias. Good stuff man
@@gormatrok5286 so true! Oddly enough the first video of his I pulled up was the one where someone said he wish he had asmongolds life. His response is something I'll never forget, sucks I can never catch him live but I'm glad i took the leap lol.
regardless of whether Sliker is addicted to gambling he still made the conscious choice to take money from others to feed his addiction
whatever pity exists for him needs to be weighed against the harm he did to others, Sliker needs to be banned from these platforms so as not to harm anyone any further
So you think if someone makes a mistake, they should be permanently banned from all platforms. I hope you hold yourself to the same standard.
@@c0nc3ntr8d6 Yes. You can change whilst not being in a platform. Thats the entire point of jail, you are separating the "bad" people from good "people" not because they cant change but because of accountability. He needs to prove that he's worthy of having a platform, after a rehab perhaps or after paying back the debt. You dont get given pity if you've done something heinous, this is a really stupid take. Streaming isn't the only job he can take to pay the debt, he took his streaming privileges and misused it. Empathy should always come to the victims, not him. People who want him deplatformed simply want less victims. If you ever feel the need to take the number of people he scammed over someone as scum as him for "a chance that he can change" is very insensitive. I could ask you the same thing, IF I SCAMMED YOUR PARENTS, Your friends and you as well that you'd be willing to let me have a subathon to pay you back??? HELL NO YOU wont. Empathy isn't blind, stop being blind and you'll understand empathy.
Once someone is addicted, they're not thinking rationally so I'm not sure you can call it a conscious choice at that point.
@@trax72 he did it for 2 years man, last time he did it was 2 weeks ago, he did it to hachubi, to a girl named linneathecake, where she loaned him 10k and he payed back then refunded so she didn't get shit, is it not his fault? is it the victims fault? be real with yourself, he isn't facing any consecuenses, Ludwig and X are gonna pay his debts and he isn't gonna make even the slightest effort to pay it back. You can be addicted and a good person, or addicted and a dickhead like sliker.
@@c0nc3ntr8d6 yeah not like he's gonna continue scamming people
This whole thing is mind blowing to me. How some ppl give money so easily to someone they barely know. And how this entire thing didn't leak sooner considering the amount of ppl involved.
westerners are naive as hell
yeah its actually crazy..... he needs to be banned....
I find it equally odd that so many of these people consider him a "friend", like you've never met him and only talked to him a few times online and now he's your friend and you trust him enough to give him thousands of dollars ? I may be an ass but that sounds like a stupid decision to make.
If you are young and easily impressionable you would not much doubt your favorite streamer that you already are subbed to. Other streamers fell for it. You need to have a good amount of cynicism to avoid that crap.
@@someguy3508 Slikker was one of a kind and was downright hilarious when he was at his best... It's not hard to see why people wouldn't be opposed to giving him money.. He made made the Rajj shows for me back when I watched them.... Regardless, it's crazy how comfortable he felt asking $1000+ and asking multiple times after they sent him money the first time, and how long it took for this to leak out considering how many people he did this to
Imagine you are in a scenario where a friend of yours steals fleshlights from your house, that are modeled after your girlfriend .... and then uses them ..... imagine the reality some people live in. that sounds like something out of a movie about college
I gotta agree here, I was a straight heroin addict and still managed to keep my morales of not hurting anyone else from my addiction (besides my family worrying obviously)
It was not easy, at all. So many times It would have been so easy to just steal from someone to get high.
3 years clean now 🎉
Congratulations! Keep at it!
thankfully you stopped when you did, fentanyl is dropping people left and right, it's genuinely insane
Proud of you my man you're an inspiration
You inspire me to do drugs now that I know you can get out of it. Thanks, man
The fact that this guy ragged in 300k and continues to stream and film himself just a day after like nothing happened. Hurting people. I have no sympathy for this guy make him disappear
Once upon a time people like him used to just disappear. Reason why people like him are getting more common.
@@crystllclr3743 yea cause we used to kill them lol
This is definitely one of the moments of all time
This is definitely one of them
Hey X I loaned Sliker like 1.5 million so just send that to my PayPal. Thanks man
The problem I have with all of this drama, is that Sliker has never even proved that he's been gambling. We're all on the bandwagon of getting him the "help he needs." But we don't know if he actually did this. He hasn't proved any of it.. and for all we know, he's just going to get away with it.
pretty sure he showed one of his many gambling accounts on miz stream with 1.1m wagered
@@jihui97 can you borrow me $1.1 m? i'll pay you back in 1 month, with interest.
He did show Miz on stream. I don’t care regardless, he knows what hes doing. Addiction or not, he knows its wrong because hes asking for secrecy with his requests. He knows. Jail.
seems sus tho why would one of his link on stream be on a gamba site.
And if Isn't gamba, then wtf is? how bad is it that all that money would be gone?
@@jesusofsuburbia3675 He’s betting on tennis. That’s all you need to know, one of the worst sports to bet on and easy to fall into a massive hole
Holy shit... that Hachu clip made me cry. I haven't cried since Bridge to Terabithia 15 years ago.
Bridge to Terabithia put me in such a bad mood when I was kid lmao I forgot about that
It’s refreshing to see Asmon speak the truth. Twitch for the most part has been out of touch on this, like it is INSANE.
He needs to do jail time. Seriously. He is only saying stuff and being “sad” because he got caught. What a joke of a dude. No excuse.
since when are people learning to be empathic in jail? that doesn't compensate the victims and doesn't benefit the society at all.
@@tja4379 it prevents him from doing it again, he definitely deserves some jail time, live n learn, bro just cried about people finding out he barely apologized to the actual working people who he robbed their lives from
@@tja4379 Since when was high-level Felony Theft not a jailable offense? For ever action there is a reaction. There are consequences for your actions and this is one of them. He wont pay anyone back. He cant most likely.
Him being out does more damage that good showing people that “oh its ok to steal hundreds of thousands from your followers and friends just as long as when you get caught, you come clean!” Yeah ok bud.
@@morals5025 um, theft, is a crime. yes. however people "willingly giving you money" for whatever reason, is not theft. Guess what, even if you "say" youre going to pay it back. Thats literally how scam and call centers continue to exist, people give their money away willingly, no crime is commited
@@JustAPriapism I mean fraud is a crime too, he is asking for money under false pretenses, and while yes ppl still give it willingly, doesnt mean it's not a crime. And ppl have a lot of proof about him asking money pretending his bank account is fronzen, mums need to fly home, pp frozen. Those things can easilly be confirmed by officials. Couple of UK ppl should file a report to cops, and he will be investigated.
Jesus, the level of codependency in people is palpable. How could anyone feel bad for that piece of garbage?
If this shows anything it shows streamers are so easily emotionally and financially manipulated. This guy stole their livelihood, hours of their lives and they STILL want to give him the benefit of the doubt. No you bust his kneecaps and move on.
Just being a discount armchair psychdoc, but it seems to me that most streamers are still kinda kids mentally.
Would explain why streamer houses are so common. They cant live alone let alone take care of themselves.
Or how stupid so many of them are where they have a job that doesnt requiere them to be in a specific location but most of them move to the retardingly expensive cities to live there
Cody is such a nice dude. Real friend right there.
@Stefan Brusacoram Someone can be truthful with tact, doesn't have to be plain and hard friend. For the future.
@@CrissVG1 that is also true but there are also occasions when the truth has to be harsh
TBH i think he didn't pay back Mizkif. There was a moment where Sliker said that he still owes him Mizkif shushed him. I think that Mizkif wanted to be nice and told that he paid him back to not make it worse.
i think he owes so many different people money he has just lost track of who and how much
@@maikuosu1719 He never kept track as he was not planning to return the money. That's why he came with that 12 person list, which is obviously not every scammed person
Paying back your big streamer friend that later gave you a platform to defend yourself on borrowing money from other, lesser, preceived people with no sign of giving it back... Sounds about right.
The fact that people are, including streamers, willing to give a guy they really don’t know from the internet thousands of dollars is crazy.
Edit: fixing grammar
I usually. Copy and delite my bad comment and ficks it that way
People who watch him for years or months probably either thought of him as trustworthy because of how long they watched him. Or they felt bad. Or they thought, no way I'd get scammed since he is a streamer. They probably thought that a relatively big streamer won't have issue paying them back and that they wouldn't get scammed since it's so easy to ruin you streamer career this way.
I have never donated to a streamer before let alone like with sliker. But this is what I think they thought.
@@ardel-4964 The danger of parasocial relationships.
A lot of the streamers that gave him money (as far as I know) hung out with him outside of just the internet. I can't really care about people who get scammed by only knowing someone that they never even hung out with.
The perception of authority can do that.
Never seen Asmon rage against a humnan before he usually looks in to both sides of the story,he is not wrong btw sliker ahs used a lot of the community streamers,mods,subs its low
He doesn't have to look into "both ends" as they were already present.
He was just doing his take / thoughts on the matter.
I think he hated quantumtv
@@MissPopuri Been watching Zack for around 12 years my little chipmonk
Reimbursing the people who were scammed doesn't enable Slicker, it enables the pyramid of enablers fuelling the whole thing.
- It's emotionally convenient to lend people money without oversight, especially when they claim they'll pay you back more
- It's emotionally convenient to donate other people's money to "save" the victims from the consequences of their irresponsibility and greed
- It's emotionally convenient to sacrifice an addict to avoid taking personal responsibility or blaming the majority
Beyond averting medical disasters, I don't think anyone should be reimbursed. Anyone donating to reimburse them is just doing exactly the same thing as the people who Slicker borrowed from to pay earlier lenders. The cost is just being shifted further from the point of origin. Streamers with gambling sponsorships reimbursing people is even more moronic. It's removal of critical feedback.
Out of the dealer, the addict and the enablers, I think the enablers are the ones who most need to learn something, but are the least likely to as long as they have someone to sacrifice in their place. I wonder how many people comprehend how their charity has led to the financial ruin of some of their peers. The betrayed also betrayed each other. If Slicker can be blamed for not exercising self control, then everyone else involved definitely can. Irresponsible generosity is not a virtue. Slicker didn't reward and condition himself. He got as far as he did and affected as many people as he did because of the help he received.
If this comment resonates with anyone, I recommend looking up "The Philosophy of Kreia" here on TH-cam. Who is to blame is irrelevant. What matters is what improves the future. The only people who can avoid a repeat of this situation are the people who were scammed or the government. Expecting Slicker to not scam you is self-defeating. And the gambling sites didn't lose anything and don't care. In fact, reimbursing people helps gambling sites and scammers retain the pool of enablers needed to run them.
An explanation is not an excuse, and feeling for people struggling with addiction IS NOT the same as defending them or seeing him as the ultimate victim. The people who he stole from are victims but someone who destroys their live like this, obviously has a problem. And we can do and feel more than one thing at the same time.
Another critical distinction between online and IRL casinos: gambling addicts can put themselves on an exclusion list, and if they try to go gamble at the physical casinos, they will be refused, and kicked out. Sketchy as hell online crypto-casinos operating under gaming licenses from Curacao barely even bother checking if you're even who you tell them that you are, let alone take any sort of steps to turn away admitted gambling addicts.
38:15 She's gonna wake to Slicker calling her to tell her that he did himself and then ask for money for his own funeral arrangements.
When you steal money from someone going through chemo therapy - and you’re aware of that - and you do so with the intent to gamble/whatever the money: you’re pure evil. I don’t understand how anyone is trying to do anything but put this guy away so he’s no longer a danger to other people.
xqc even offering him to help pay his debt shows such a lack of awareness on his part too. guy runs a scam, cries, calls himself suicidal... gets sympathy for it
And then do it all again =)
He paid back tectone and then refunded it back, how many people did he do that to. Most steamers wouldn't even realise he did that or think he would do something like that to them because their friends.
@@Greg_Stache yeah tectone gave him 1k and he repaid and then did a charge back. Tectone only realised yesterday.
Same for Lacari afaik
29:51 naw man, how do you betray one of the most wholesome streamers. i felt bad for hachu, i mean yeah probably most ppl gonna say its her fault for being too nice, but when u thought u were sincerely helping someone, u felt like you are doing the right thing.
the wholesome thing made her an easy target
@@wrythe777 and there is no doubt in my mind he was thinking she'd be an easy target . he is scum.
“I thought you were my friend” breaks my heart every fckn time… 🥺💔
I think practically anyone having some 'good' take on this drama while gambling themselves are just coping so incredibly hard, constantly shoving problems like this off on the person in question rather than finally taking a stance against gambling themselves. Then again, that would require them kicking their own addictions and habits and big paychecks. Which they won't. Train.
no likes, no comments, first shown when sorted by 'top comment'. you have the opinion they want you to have.
@@forkittens Allow me to be the first like. They only posted the comment 7 minutes ago as of this writing, sounds like someone reacted pretty quickly...
@@forkittens who knows. I think pushing gambling on a platform that isn't inherently for adults is a ridiculous thing to begin with and making your stream "18+" doesn't do shit, it keeps getting pushed onto children who only see the slots rolling while every now and then a tool is saying "oh but don't gamble guys" after janking the lever another 100 times while making big bucks. That in itself is more degenerate than hot tub and ASMR streams put together.
Gambling is not the issue. Its been around since the beginning of time lmao. Everyone knows its sponsored and knows its house money. If watching them lose 37 rolls in a row then finally winning one makes someone want to gamble, i think it is an IQ problem the person should deal with.
Also Sliker is a pos, addiction or not, and knows what he is doing. Not defending the actions of someone who is essentially a sociopath finessing people (some in WAY worse situations than him) out of the little money they have.
I agree with Minx. Ofc the want to help those who aren't famous and got scammed, which is nobel. But it takes away from the pressure that is directed at that guy
"Every hour that twitch goes without permanently ban itssliker is a disgrace " TRUE
Obviously gambling addictions sucks but at a certain point he definitely knew he wasn’t gonna be able to pay off his debts and he continued to dig himself deeper. Also some of the people who he took money from promising to pay them back really needed the money. It’s hard to feel bad for a guy who takes away a college students tuition and a chemo patients 7k.
Scamming a cancer patient is the craziest one
I had an old friend/neighbor who unfortunately became an addict right after H.S, and would constantly hit people up that we went to school with to borrow money, and he would "pay them back". People found out about his drug/alcohol addiction and they blasted the fuck out of him on social media. He eventually moved and, Months later he still had the audacity to ask for money. *Needless to say, I distanced myself from him, I don't even talk to him anymore*, what worried me is he knows where I live and I didn't want him to just stop by one day. Which, gladly, hasn't happened. Last time I saw him was on Instagram, like 2 months ago, just absolutely smashed? Blasted? Whatever term you wanna use, he was just gone, fucked up. At first I felt horrible for not giving money, I was broke at the time, but everything he did came to surface and I was extremely glad I didn't. He always talked about starting his own business and investing, etc etc. Addiction is horrible.
Asmongold: “I’m not a psychologist I’m not going to diagnose Sliker with any disorders”
also asmongold: “he’s a sociopath and a parasite!”
😂😂😂
So many saying "I thought he was my friend..." people don't seem to know what real friends and what friendship is anymore. And those who believe there should be some legal justice for this: people who basically gave a stranger money did that - ultimately - out of their free will voluntarily, unfortunately. Compassion is one thing but naivity and gullibility are another - and that was the payment for this life lesson.
The woman on stream crying about how people should chill out on Slicker and that she's afraid he's gonna off himself has REAL "In on it" Vibes lol. She in on it bro lol
I can imagine him going casino "7 Fleshlights on red"
I remember asmon saying that he likes sliker and that he's a funny guy quite some time ago. Completely understandable that he has now turned his back on him like everyone else did but this incident proves a lot about streamers and their internet persona
I think the past years we have seen time and time again how the people we 'see' on the internet are a far cry from who the person behind the cameras are.
I disagree, I'm sure you've felt the same towards someone in your life at some point too. No one is perfect and chances are even your favourite people (if you ignore the fact that nowadays there's a big chance of your favourite person being someone you don't even know) have bad sides. It's not simple arithmetics for the good to cancel out the bad or vice versa, but in this case the bad obviously outweighs any of the good, which is what sets it apart
You say that as though asmon knew slik personally so let me ask you this:
You play say, WoW or League. The company produces content that has perverts, molesters and even rapists working in there for example. What does that say and prove about you and your own persona when it gets exposed? Does liking and playing the content provided mean you inherently belong to the same group and can't turn your backs on/condemn the company's actions?
Your argument falls apart once it's applied on yourself, try to hate watch asmon harder by listening to the wisdom he might have just for you.
@@junhao63 The guy isn't saying anything bad about asmon. What he meant by streamers' internet persona was how sliker was putting on a nice guy act
@@junhao63 You completely missed my point. Let me explain it to you like i would to a toddler because it feels like that's what you need me to. In front of camera not always real. It's pretty self-explanatory but let me also clarify that I'm not a hate watcher been watching this guy for the past what 5-6 years? How did you come to this conclusion too lol
Iv experienced this behaviour from a family member personally, drug & gambling addicts especially if its both changes a person in ways you cant imagine.
So when i saw and heard about this dude it felt painfull, its as if the person you thought you knew has been replaced and you cant accept it.
36:30 I think the point a lot of people are missing about the situation with xQc, Ludwig, and TrainWreck, is they aren't really giving Sliker a way out. He's never going to pay that money to those people. If you want to think of it, Sliker would now owe THEM the money that they repay. So technically speaking they are taking the debt onto themselves because they feel they can better withstand the hit.
Honestly I believe if they do do this, they would fully be within their rights to tell Sliker to "Dance Monkey Dance!" because they've basically bought him for the price of the debts. They should have him out there in a stupid costume, helping them raise money for charities and crap, or whatever they want to tell him to do. He's not being let off, he's just indebted to new, more powerful people. Samaritan Andy can't do crap to guilt/leverage this guy, but I don't know that Scammer Andy want's to throw down on social media against the likes of those who'll be holding his marker. Just my $0.02. If they help the victims, at least his debt will be held by more empowered people.
U shifted too much attention to them having control of the debt. The main thing is that they would pay back all the common folk that would actually suffer without that money.
glad to see asmon come out and say what no1 wanted to say. If this wasn't sliker who did it, the lsf streamer crew would have been so much madder. This is par for the course gambling addiction behavior. But if someone did this to me or the people where I grew up, they'd have gotten themselves killed or beaten very near it.
Bruh Cody is so hilarious!! He's just like a normal guy that got absorbed by Twitch randomly and he gets front row seats behind the scenes being close friends with Asmon
Cody is great man hahaha
He is DonJohnENT on Twitch BTW.
“your bout to catch some fucking hands bro”-🤓
“Im going to pay it all back by asking for money from more viewers that I already manipulated”
yeah I heard something about him planning on doing a subathon, what the actual fuck? get another job, one that does not involve screwing other people.
So I think I figured something out. Gambling addiction has a higher suicide rate than addiction because a drug addict can sometimes really contain the fallout to their own lives. They won't make anyone's life any easier, but they don't always destroy someone else's life. With gambling, you probably ask to borrow money, thinking you can pay them back after you win, but you lose, rinse and repeat with 50 other people and when the house of cards gets knocked over, the fucking gambling addict has all those people he pissed off, coming at him, all at once, and asking for their money, and the pressure is probably too much for most people who don't have friends who can bail them out.
Sliker taking hasan's advise while drinking starbucks with scam money, really shows he taking it seriously! 49:31
Yeah i was really disappointed in that and kinda knew that was his way of saying “i dont plan on improving”. Hasan was trying to give genuinely good advice on how he could turn his life around and he totally just deflected with jokes. Like there are some times in life when you can’t rely on jokes anymore and have to take things seriously if you actually want to get better.
Uhhh thats mizkif on screen not slikker
He seemed annoyed he got caught as opposed to actually feeling bad. Sign of a sociopath
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@@domerame5913 Lack of empathy for others. Impulsive behavior. Attempting to control others with threats or aggression. Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others
@@domerame5913 lol sounds like maybe you're just like this scammer guy and by defending him you're indirectly defending yourself. Good luck out there buddy
This is why I like Asmongold he says it how it is
That poor girl who gave him transplant money... idk that’s fucking wild.
Slicker is gonna come back as a Vtuber with a voice changer
Lol
...unfortunately that happens, know quite a few...
@@JASONAMANO thats probably the sole reason it was invented in the first place.
Remember folks too much empathy is a bad thing.
I am currently on sickleave for depression/suicidal and it is a horrible thing. But I still would not feel any sort of empathy if he would of himself after what he has done.
Train is like almost the 30% of sliker's scam pool
xQc’a offer is so slimy. I am happy that many victims will be getting their money back, but he is only doing it cause the controversy is about gambling and that’s his biggest meal ticket. He doesn’t want to talk about the dangers of it and wants everyone to think that since they will be made whole, it’s not a big problem that one of the biggest streamers scammed 100s of thousands of dollars from people in the pursuit of gambling.
If they 'refund' these people, I expect them to just consolidate his debt and require him to pay them back - with interest.
I don't have ANY idea what the laws in the UK are, and I won't pretend to, but is there no legal route that the victims can take? This has to be enough money to qualify for something more than just "borrowing" money from people and not paying it back. Or maybe not. Maybe there are zero laws to prevent stuff like this from happening / protect victims like there are with Ponzi schemes and other financial scams. Is it REALLY just that cut and dry? If you borrow money for personal gain it's fine but if you do it under the guise of a company it's then illegal? That doesn't make ANY sense.
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As a recovering addict, fucking thank you Asmon. People need to know it and I agree completely. You only can move forward but if you start bringing people into YOUR addiction, you could keel over for all I care tbh. We don't need to give anyone special treatment. He's always gonna be a piece of shit.
I do feel some small amount of sympathy for him, the same I feel for anyone addicted to something. HOWEVER, being addicted to gambling, or anything for that matter, doesn't mean you don't deserve any consequences for your actions. Jail time doesn't sound unreasonable tbh.
jail wouldnt help any addict though. he needs professional help and do rehab like any other addicts too
@@Cylox5 most ppl out of rehabs easily fell back to the addictions, you just exposing more people to him doing the same thing again, but with a few months delay
@@Cylox5 Imo jail time is a serious enough consequence that really drills home the fact that this was a terrible thing to do, and will discourage him from doing similar things in the future. Rehab is also an option, but I don't think it alone will really help him the way he needs. At least it seldom does in my experience.
@@JugsKise Numbers wise, in the US both jail and rehab have terrible recidivism/relapse rates.
I think Sliker is UK based, though, so things might be different there.
At any rate, jail time isn't given when it "isn't unreasonabe", it's given when the law says it must be, and we don't know how the entire situation will shake out yet.
@@Poldovico These are both actually good points, especially the second one. Only people that can put him in jail are not commenting on an Asmongold youtube video lol. At this point it's best just to wait and see, I suppose.
The office space jokes were an unexpected tangent 😆
Keep working hard asmon. Appreciate you. 🤙🏼
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"If Mo wants to kill kids thats fine" Thats an outta context if I ever heard one lmao
imagine if Sliker asks Asmon for 100 quid XDDDDDDDDDDD
So is the only good thing that came out of all this slicker drama (which I don’t really like to get into but is just flooding my youtube feeds) is that twitch finally bans gambling stream to some extent soon?
I mean Asmon is right in many ways about Sliker not being redeemable and deserving of the repercussions, but I also heavily disagree on parts his viewpoint as well. Hating Sliker will not solve the problem or the pain that was caused by his actions.. in fact, it will create more and put more focus on the negative aspect of this outcome. Enjoying his pain is something I view as almost sadistic and disgusting considering we are all very capable of being in his shoes, and what makes it even more disturbing is the fact Asmon would decide to PRAISE him (even if jokingly) if he was a mastermind at what he did and managed to get away. Yes Sliker scammed a bunch of poor people out of their money, was an incredibly bad person and has made some really disgusting hypocritical decisions regarding his social life, and he will have to live with those repercussions. In no way is Sliker NOT going to be affected by this in his social and financial circle. My point here is with how we are all deciding to deal with the problem. It is very disturbing to watch a popular streamer like Asmongold completely ignore someones plea for a suicidal person in an emotional breakdown, trying to give another perspective to the situation, only to be trumped by a viewpoint from a rich basement dweller on how we should morally serve justice by collectively pushing him to suicide, on the notion of him not being able to harm others. We are still talking about a life here, a life with a lot of potential, even in these circumstances, especially for positive change. And to completely disregard life in that way, only to become a righteos emotion driven idiot who tunnel visions a version of justice they deem appropriate. Im not talking about the potential bad things he still could do in his life, althought i can guarantee if we keep treating him with this negativity, how do you expect a person in that position to strive for positive change? I mean your whole american prison and justice system is a bad fucking joke, with an almost 80% recidivism rate. Its absolutely pathetic how you deal with outliers and expect them to heal their trauma by shitting in their mouth and treating them like garbage. Im not justifying Slikers actions, im condemning the internets reaction. There are mature ways of solving this issue and getting Sliker the help he so obviously needs. Ludwig and X are one example of how you try and bring a positive change to such a negative situation. Sliker deserves the consequences, but he also deserves human empathy and Love. show him the proper way of living and experiencing life, don't give him the same lesson hes known all his life.
With all due respect he does deserve it he literally took money from people finding chemotherapy treatment for either themselves or family members
@@danielshore1457 And if he skinned a girls mother infront of her. my point stays the same.
Just because you chose to come to come to earth with your perspective, doesn't mean you should judge his. especially if its from an emotionally charged position.
He ran an advert mid way through his "apology" stream...
Only 800% value?
Asmon is one of those rare kinds of people. A man with real integrity and is a decent human being. Love you Asmon and I hope things stay good for you and your career!!!
Sorry but why again are we assuming that Sliker is addicted to gambling? Because he said so? Are we taking him by his word? Seriously? This reeks like another scam. After all, he has always stylized himself as the 'master manipulator'. Now he sheds some tears and gets big streamers to prevent legal action by paying off his debt and is now able to pocket even more money using sympathy and reinvent himself as a victim. Disgusting.
Exactly. I keep shaking my head since the excuse came out. People are taking the excuse at face value!!! Still!!!!
he has been gambling since 2019 xqc & mizkif went through all of his accounts yesteday on stream and his ex girlfriend said they broke up because he had a sports gambling problem for years. Basically he has been gambling years before the gambling meta began on twitch
Thank god for you’re take I was getting so pissed from all the “it’s an addiction” shit. Dudes a legit scumbag and needs to got to jail.
He always gave me shitty weird vibes
I always thought the clips of him 2 years ago were pretty funny. Not that it matters tho
Your racism shows
@@N5FX ?????
@@N5FX Your stupidity shines more i'd say
@@kkona3868 I mean you would know
I didn't knew what a flesh light was, to anyone in the same situation let me say, ignorance is bliss, don't look it up.
I didn't like this take man, he does need help, everyone who acts like this period, needs help. It doesn't matter if he lost it to gambling or he just kept it. Yes jail would be good for him and would help him but, the fact Asmon said that he doesn't care about him at all is just ikky to me.
Dude scammed a girl who is in cancer treatment. No this bloke is a parasite. I do agree he needs help. But my god you cant go lower then that.
@@mozes88 oh no I agree with you completely but, I believe everyone can get help and find their true self if they actually try.
Can’t save those that don’t want to be saved. You either cut them off or let them drag you down with them.
@@childelee2569 very, very true.
Your bleeding heart is going to end up costing you a lot of money smh 😣
Being scammed in an online game for gold worth of few days of grinding was the best thing that happened to me at young age. Very quickly I was aware of many scam schemes and later in life managed to safe friends from losing their real life savings. No better teacher than a cold shower of realisation that you've been scammed.
I’m not first
Can i join the not first club please? my bank locked me out can i borrow 300k ill pay u back in 2 months. Lol just joking ❤
Of course one of his victims is going through cancer. All of his victims were vulnerable people.
Wait... I must admit, that Asmons take on all this has left me feeling a bit cold. Stating that he doesn't give a fuck if a person is suicidal? Asmon talks frequently about all the times he and his friends scammed and stole things. When the Slicker shit dropped and people posted a video of him using the N word lots of times.... there is a reason Asmon quickly moved to dismiss it, it's because Asmon used to drop the N world all the time back in the day. (Which I don't really care about but it's so disingenious)
So here you have a guy who readily admits to lying, stealing, defrauding and scamming people for years. Acting in the super righteous way regarding this situation? It's clear Slicker is a POS. I just find it a little hard to take this moral grandstanding from someone like Asmongold.
Nah this ain't it chief. Imagine trying to frame this as though Asmond shouldn't talk shit about someone WHO FRAUDS A CANCER PATIENTS. What a smooth brain take.
Sliker doesn't sound suicidal, he hasn't proved he has a gambling addiction and he's just been platformed by one of the biggest streamers, now there's heards of sympathetic viewers and he doesn't have to pay back the money bcus others are going to do it for him. Offline he's in a good place 👍
For starters, 'zack' is a person and is allowed to learn and grow like the rest of us. Y'all are gonna bring things up from 20 years ago, it's insane. He'll have good takes, he'll have bad ones, surprise, he's human. And lets be real, content is king for these people, they will cover it until it's beaten to the ground. Mizkif had no hesitation, same shit with Andrew tater tot. He has been open about his past and "degenerate" lifestyle. He can smell a guy like slicker a mile away, he knows the type. The guy isn't sorry, he's sorry he got caught. And he isn't at rock bottom yet.
genuine question can u solve captchas
To be fair it's really difficult to have empathy over someone scamming people that are genuinely open to help his situation. The malice and the fact that he only admitted everything on live, with those fake crocodile tears, playing it on people's empathy, don't know man, it sickens me. He should be helped (if what he said about him being a suicidal is really true) but he should absolutely pay for what he did
I don't know how a person can look at that guys face and NOT see someone who will try to scam you if he can.
I think at that point it's borderline their own fault.
If twitch allows him to do that, its time to go to the media about it. That's the only way twitch will pay attention.
welp...I think I figured out where that money was going...and it wasn't gambling... 39:00
What's really disapointing in all of this are the influencers who lent him money and knew something was scummy about it but kept completely quiet until it blew up in his face, Sliker scammed people out of life changing money, anyone who could've called him out but kept quiet should feel ashamed, their voice could've prevented Sliker from scamming his audience who are struggling to make ends meet.
For example one streamer tectone thought he paid him back but was unaware until yesterday that Sliker charged that money back a few days later.
Slicker sounds like a villain name tbh
"sliker is suicidal" he clearly wasnt feeling that way before he got exposed. this time hes just trying to manipulate people for their sympathy instead of their money. how hes not banned after he scammed his twitch subs is beyond belief. paying off his gambling debt and helping the people that were manipulated ARE NOT the same at all though. i think once xqc and them come to a conclusion about how much the total amount they are paying back to the people he scammed are they should get sliker to agree to pay the streamers back so hes still held accountable for the debt. even though it will obviously be a formality i think it would cover both sides of the coin. the victims get their money back and he would still be held accountable for his debt. if he really wants to prove that he has remorse and intends to really pay the money back then he could do it that way.
Do you stream on twitch ?
some ppl like that asks mafia instead for gambling/drug money and finally get beaten for not returning the money. Pretty sure smt bad like this may happen to Slikker, alot of person are furious about what he did. (sorry for my bad english btw x)
It took me 21 minutes to realize that Cody was literally in the room with Asmon..
Bro, who tf steals a fleshlight? A used fkn fleshlight! Are you serious?
If they want to help the victims they could just assume the debt. Pay the victims out then hold him accountable to pay them back.
moe also has a past of scamming people, which is probably why hes ok with what slicker did. moe used to sell league of legend accounts then report them as hacked so he would get the money and also the account back then do it again. of course its not on slicker's level but a scammer is a scammer. takes one to know one.
dude where is the stream ? i cant seem to find his streams .
"Such kindnesses will mean nothing, his path is set. Giving him what he has not earned is like pouring sand into his hands, and would that be a kindness? What if by surviving another day, he brings a greater darkness upon another? , the slightest push, the smallest touch, sends echoes throughout life, even an act of kindness may have more severe repercussions than you know or can see, by giving him something he has not earned, perhaps all you have helped him become is a target. Seeing another elevated often brings the eyes of others who suffer. And perhaps in the end, all you have wrought is more pain, and that is my lesson to you. Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clenched fist"
-A very old Character from a very old Star Wars game
Good a solid hour of this drama. I actually love this. 🍿
TRUUU, only goblins would steal fleshlites
I'm afraid the reimbursement by the other streamers may discourage contacting authorities. People made hold by others still should step forward and press charges, to protect FUTURE victims.