Artificial gravity stops working at 0.5g of planetary gravity. Moons have 0.25g so that's why you can use it there. Spherical gravity generators are perfect to create gravity shields. If you set them up to repel, anything that is affected by gravity in a 400 meter bubble will get repelled. This is useful to avoid any projectiles with artificial mass on, or even repel ships with a gravity drive on. Gravity drives can be extremely powerful, but they have the complication that the mass block position matters. When he launched his escape pod thingy, it got turned upwards cause the mass blocks weren't aligned to the center of mass of the ship. This is important if you want your ship to fly moreless straight while using one. The easiest way to do it is to place all mass blocks around the center of mass. Finally a gravity drive that works in all directions is possible but hard to control without a script. Also you can use gravity generators to create a gravity gun to throw what may or may not be explosives at your friends.
@@spacebear4742 Haha, genius! You could fill it up with stone or heavy armor blocks just floating around in it, and then you could have 'shield replenishers' that is a welder-welder-grinder set up that just continually weld heavy armor blocks and cuts them off to float off into the rest of the debris cloud!
One of my favorite gravity-related tools is quite similar to your escape pod tube. Using a cargo container, some parachutes, and an artificial mass block to launch supplies to my planetary bases around the system. With good planning, you can even set a grinder pit of some kind where the cargo container will land and have the resource transfer be completely automated. Plus it's nice and dramatic to "call-in" supply drops from orbit.
I generally drop from a station, which being stationary means that everything dropped should land in roughly the same area, barring any unforeseen interruptions. Generally you'll want to build the surface base you're supplying with this in mind, possibly using the drop site for the base location. I've seen someone use an extremely long line of projected armor blocks to help line up your shot, if you're launching from a spacecraft, but I'm not sure the limits of how far a projector can cast an image.
Thanks to this guide, I came up with an idea that I've just made a reality. A gravity generator powered man cannon, capable of launching a player into orbit from the surface of the moon. It took ~3 hours to create and tweak the grav fields to only affect the chute, but it will be worth it as soon as I get my friend on tomorrow and send him flying.
A little thing I've noticed: if you were to simulate a ring habitat, you'd have to spin the ring around the other axis so that the "centrifugal force" you're simulating with the generator actually always is orthogonal to your axis of rotation.
I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by 'other axis'. Given the spherical generator if you wanted to create a ring station etc you'd probably be best with a group of them in a line (so that you get even gravitational force for the width of the ring) then just have the ring spin around that line, from what I remember doing in this video I just did a similar thing except with one generator and one line of blocks. Not sure how useful it'd be to do in SE though since you'd be unable to build on most surfaces of the ring :(
3 years, but its still a really helpful tutorial. I use artificial mass blocks and gravity generators to move a 6000 tons vehicle on Europa successfully! I never thought I can do it before watch your tutorial. Thanks a lot!
I never considered that gravity generators can effect mass blocks on the same grid but it makes sense and now I'm making gravity drives standard for my ships
On the server I play on I have made a ship with a 160G gravity cannon that fires stone or "cannonball" ingots at thousands of meters per second (speed limit is removed) One shot will tear a vanilla red ship in half Heavy armor doesn't fare much better than light Even the servers custom armor which is 8X stronger than vanilla heavy armor is no match for my gravity cannon Even with shields most players give my turf a wide berth because of that ship The only ship that could tank a shot from it was the admins creative mode ship which had 4 layers of advanced armor and a bunch of shield generators First shot took his shields down Second shot blew a hole into his ship Third shot blew a hole right through it
That sounds like a whole lot of fun :) I haven't really done much in the way of space battles in SE or much multiplayer really, fingers crossed that'll be something I can change in the future :)
it is more fun than it sounds being able to use waste material as a weapon is hilarious especially since his decoy blocks didnt do anything lol just beware that it will probably tank your sim speed a lot unless you have an overclocked CPU the server uses a sub zero cooled i7-6700k overclocked to 6.5GHZ and even that dropped sim speed a decent amount during the battle
@@thorodinson292 yeah but then I have regular turrets, pulse laser turrets and 2 big bertha cannons to fall back on as a backup And this ship is designed to take just as much punishment as it can dish out (my testing for this thing was to see if it could destroy itself, then reinforce the hell out of it until it cant) it can take a full broadside from 5 of every weapon in the OKI weapons pack at the same time without shields, and only pierce the first, MAYBE the second layer of armor out of the 20 layers protecting the engineering section (which is where the reactors, gravity drive, normal thrusters.etc are) and 30 layers protecting the cockpit (which contains the medical room, teleport pad, armory, cryo bay, and a hangar with a heavily shielded escape pod that itself contains a jump drive, fixed lasers, an assembler, a survival kit, a refinery, 4 cryopods 4 passenger seats, and a herald terminal with 500k heralds, heralds are a way of converting one resource into another, effectively selling ingots you don't need, and using the heralds to buy the ones you do need) Its an absurdly expensive ship, and would probably bankrupt my faction if we lost it, though the gravity cannon has been upgraded to 300G and more ejectors have been added, so now it's capable of singoe shot mode, 30/sec rapid fire mode, and 50 pellet shotgun mode (that last one is possibly the most evil thing I have ever made, I tested it against a vanilla red ship, and it literally deleted it apart from some floating scrap metal pieces and a few stray armor blocks)
So you're saying I can actually build the rail cannon on the front of my ship. The actual gun will be more expensive but the projectile will be be less resource drain. Also grav shields will be very useful against raiders or anyone else using my the same rail
Honestly, I think they need to apply the sensor field method of adjusting the artificial gravity fields. it'd be extremely advantageous to be able to have a separate floor height than your ceiling height, and likewise for the other two dimensions.
Vielen dank :) I hope google translate got that one right for me, sadly I didn't learn much german while I was in Switzerland last year - I'm a bit special when it comes to language learning :P
I did made some kind of gravity accelerator thing myself with around... maybe 300 gravity generators. Then I thought that “Hey! I’ve built something accelearting things to extreme speeds, but I can’t do that, because of 100m/s speed limit!” So, when I did activate and test 1000m/s speed limit modification mod, I was super excited that my gun is finally working... And, when I did press that launch sequence button opening gates and everything, it did actually eject my sort of warhead out of my ship. When I was looking at those 6 layers of heavy armor, it did destroy only one block and then gone through and far far away into space with 1000 m/s velocity... Well, another point for Physics Malfunction!
That is one of the sad side effects of super speeds - the game doesn't have time to calculate the collisions and some weird things happen. At least those weird things happen less often under 100m/s now :P
Well, I am pretty happy with those weird things not happening under 100m/s... Even flying my fighter at 150m/s and firing some missiles cause me to catch those missiles and test my shields against them... I'll try 500m/s mod, hopefully it will work out better... ;-) BTW Thanks Splitsie for replying, I didn't think that you will reply even 10 months after making this video...
That's certainly one of the things I like about SE, once you know what problems you're going to cause you can then choose just how much you're comfortable risking breaking the game ;) And you're welcome :)
a wall of decoy blocks in armor blocks with mass in the back and u can attach it on all sides of ship and lunch with spherical gravity gen so u get no fire on your ship :)
So, if I were to place 2 or 3 overlapping generators set to repel off of the moon, would it be possible to achieve close to 0g, I'm trying to find a way to get a pretty heavy rover that acts as a mobile printer but for flat ground only, my goal is to find a way to create a very low gravity zone to orient my rover on it's side using minimal thrusters then move it closer to a wall that is pulling. I'm open to suggestions around this problem but I really don't want to use a ship due to recharge
On the moon, yep you can still get enough power out of the gravity generators to neutralise or reverse gravity :) In one of my survival series I built a lunar launcher to send ships to space from the surface with zero fuel spent using that technique - was a fun ride
I'm experimenting with a gravity powered ore transport system. I've built an ore receiving spaceship which I point at an asteroid. The ore shooting space craft flies in a straight line from the Ore receiver towards the asteroid. Once there I turn it into a station and have a gravity gun shooting ore towards the receiving ship (over long distance I hope) . Multiple grav generators first slow down the ore and then lead it towards some collectors into the system. It's still in testing phase but from a distance where the receiver is still visible it works.
That visual range will always be the trouble, since you'll need to have it visible for the game to not cull those objects. I'm not sure which settings will allow things to remain present for longer, but I believe you'll need to increase floating objects and turn off trash clean up to get the most out of a system like that :)
@@Splitsie Not only does game mechanics make it disappear. Launched ore loses velocity out of gravity range! I was a bit like, huh? That's not very realistic. But there you go. Back to the drawing board. Maybe a self propelled ship can engage dampeners once it comes in range or something.
Hmm I wonder, as you talk to use the grav gen as a potential launching platform for warheads, is it possible to do the reverse? Use it as a shield to deflect attacks?
Sort of, though the attacking craft needs to be sending something at you that is affected by gravity generators, which is only mass blocks and objects that don't do any damage any way :(
can you use mass blocks to put satelites in orbit around planets? Or will clang get mad? Also when you say that grav gens stop working on mars and higher gravity planets, do you mean all A-grav or just positive gravity? i.e. could you use one to lessen the gravity on a particularly massive planet?
Mass blocks and gravity generators don't work inside planetary gravity fields (anything stronger than 0.5G will completely nullify their effects with a falloff in their effects at less gravity than that)
I made a giant space station in Space Engineers and i placed a Gravity Generator But it tells me that objects will be attracted as well, so i made a little go kart but it isn’t attracted to the Gravity of the Generator How can i fix this?
sure, just like the escape pod, you can throw ships that way that may or may not contain some explosives. you can also throw ores (rock rocks ;) ) and components.
Sadly the rocks don't work like they used to so you won't be able to make too much of a weapon out of them, but the explosives still work *very* nicely ;)
Ive seen that small explosive blocks aren't very good, so if you make a small block torpedo or shell, use Heavy armor for pretty much the same effect as using small warheads.
It is very simple to put a connector fill of stone with a few gravity generators. Turn the connector to expel and every second a 1K chunk of rock gets thrown out at high speed. It is pretty devastating what moving chunks of rock/ore will do to a ship.
Is the cute little escape pod you used in the launcher up on your steam workshop? I can't seem to find it, and I suck at both small grids and replicating designs from images.
Any way to use gravity generators or anything else to prevent ships your grinding up in space with a grinder ship flying away? The ships I am grinding are hostile, hoping to do it without leaving the cockpit.
Sadly vanilla gravity generators won't work that way, there are some mods that will change gravity generators to affect other grids which you could try if you're happy to use mods. Otherwise you could use landing gear to lock them and maybe with a shunting vehicle push the grid into your grinders
@@Splitsie what if you went into block placement mode from your grinder ship and attached an artificial mass block to your target? You'd need a single welder arm of course, but it would be affected then, wouldn't it? Ehhhh...but then you'd have to be careful to grind around the mass block too. Hmm...
I just managed to build my 24 G cannon (24 parallel gravity generators). When I wanted to test fire it from a ship, my ship suddenly accelerated beyond speed limit (104 m/s). Turned out, the loaded projectile which contained artificial massblocks caused the effect of the gravity drive to occur. Now I'll add a few inacive AMB's, so my new battleship doesn't only hit hard on range, but also has the capability of getting up close into someone's face.
Splitsie Now I need to build a ship that shoots ships, which shoot projectiles... I played around some more; apparently the stake (it really is just a massive stake) doesn't work without mass blocks. If I turned off the mass blocks, the projectile would just float in the barrel... I think I'll combine a sensor with a timer block and have the launch initiated by the projectile itself.
Can you use gravity generator to land safe to a planet rather than using thrusters or parachutes? setting to push gravity as close you get to the earth?
Nope, gravity generators only work up to 0.5G, after that they don't work. They also don't get pushed back, if you were to use grav gens on the moon they'd need to be on the surface with mass blocks on your ship, not the other way around :(
That used to be even more valuable when ship drills created small rocks just like the hand drills do, sadly there's only limited use for something like that now :(
When I was trying to build the gravity ejection tube, I placed gravity generators along the tube, so that they are pushing anything affected by gravity towards the center of the tube Theoretically it should work, but in practice, I almost killed myself when the pod flew sideways and smashed into the gravity generators
I really wish you could use gravity generators on planets I wanna create grav tanks and other vehicles or have a star ship hover in atmosphere just using its gravity generators
They'd likely be talking about repelling player made torpedoes which often contain mass blocks so they can be accelerated by grav gens on board the ship. However if the torpedoes are thruster based then the grav gens will do nothing, so they're not a particularly effective defensive strategy :(
Ah! Artificial Mass Block! I've build anti-gravity field to build my base on the Moon and I was very surprised to know that Artificial Gravity doesn't affect my wielder ship.
Looks like gravity cannons have a chance to work on the moons. This could be a good way to get stuff into space. It's also a way to have artillery that is not a catapult.
That artificial mass trick with gravity generators is really cool! Now I want to mess around with building an elevator with it. I'm laughing as I'm thinking and typing this, but I'm 100% serious. Can we cause things to move or blast off with this "feature"? So much as to maybe create machines and even weapons with it?
Yep, you definitely can, they're expensive as weapons since you'll need the mass blocks, but in terms of launching since grav gens will work on moons you can use them to launch stuff pretty much to space from the surface with minimal power needs on the launch vehicle :)
Does the scripting language let you detect the level of Planetary gravity? If so it should be pretty easy to make a script that keeps the grav generator off-setting the moon gravity to allow space designed ships to run to moon bases very safely. A 3 block setup to convert a space-only ship to moon capable would be nice to have.
I'm not sure if the programmable blocks can access that information but even if they could it would likely require more than 3 blocks for a system like that to work. The artificial mass blocks pretend to be a certain amount of mass, you'd need more force against them if their total mass was less than the ship's own. For example if your ship has a total mass of 100,000kg and the artificial mass total is 50,00kg then you'll need to have twice as much gravitational acceleration from your grav gens as there is planetary gravity for neutral flight. I probably should have pointed out that function of the artificial mass blocks in the video but I hadn't really thought about it :P
On the moon you are fighting .25G with grav generators capable of .5G so you get at least double the bang per mass block per grav generator. I still cant read the API specs very well, but did not see a planetary gravity property available. I'll have to look at the fancy flight info script in detail and see if there are any clues there.
Damn, I was hoping you could use gravity blocks to create an anti-gravity chamber on a planet, but at least im assuming I could still do it on the moon.
Are you done with auto pilot? Your two videos were very useful for planet base drones but im struggling with space drones as they operate under slightly different rules.
I'm not done with it, but I keep managing to break my space docking setup. Each time I think I have something foolproof I come up with another foolish method for ensuring it doesn't work :( I have got horizontal docking on planets working reliably though
Splitsie are you moving more than 20m/s when trying to dock to your space dock because that could cause damage if you are if you still need some help with that let me know i saved the world I built my space auto docking ship in though I have not messed with it since I made that video
The ship's moving slower than 20, but despite setting it up like the video you showed me I've only had the dock working for the first few times then it starts messing up :( I've got horizontal docking working on planets with a highly reliable setup but space just isn't playing ball. Even with the remote sitting over the centre of mass it starts jiggling about at each way point which means it's not aligned when it approaches the final docking point. That's with precision and collision avoidance off. I might try to see if I can make a video out of all the different attempts - the challenge will be making it so I don't sound like I'm whinging :P
a video might be good then I could see what you are doing and if all else fails we can try a multiplayer world again to help you get the bugs worked out.
Oh that's what you mean, apologies, I misunderstood. Artificial gravity only acts on 'mass blocks' not on any of the other grid blocks, so you'd need to have them near the wheels (since the force acts directly on the block and that's the easiest way to balance it)
Other than using them to do their job on a space base or ship, I have done nothing with them. I certainly have never used more than one to do a job - ^--^
With all the UFO/UAP hearings, im hoping we get a prototech gravity generator that can do like three or 5 gs. ive never made a gravity drive ship, but its the principle. and maybe i was too hard on them for the jump drive. maybe they know something we dont =P
So, in theory, one could use a bunch of spherical gravity generators, merge/connector blocks, artificial mass and warheads to essentially create gravity drive powerered cluster nukes? *90 more hours in SE later*
No. Gravity generators cannot function at all in natural gravity above 0.5g. on the moon, Titan and Europa you can use them but not on any of the planets
Is there a way to kind of, cheat, with Gravity Generators? Kind of like a Mass Effect drive. Use it to lower the mass of a ship within a planets gravity field, so that your thrusters don't have to work as hard. I mean, if you can create negative gravity, then couldn't you make a 1 million Kg ship float without expensive upward thrusters? A cheap way of flight. If what I said makes any sense.
Gravity generators won't work in planetary grav fields stronger than 0.5G, so yes you can, but only at very high altitude or on moons and you'd also want to be perfectly oriented or it'll just drag you off to one side :/
sir , mass drivers are weapons of mass destruction outlawed by the league of non aligned worlds, the minbar federation, the narn regime, the centauri republic, and united earth
Iv made a railgun ship,stronger then the atlas super laser (testet on a frigate I that build only works in zero g and made it also with a mod for speed limits)
I suspect that's not something they plan to add, as I can't imagine it would be difficult to do so, but it would be nice if they changed their mind on it as it's annoying having to place your grav gens dead centre
Once again: I have a question, so I come to Splitsie. Thanks for these, dude.
Artificial gravity stops working at 0.5g of planetary gravity. Moons have 0.25g so that's why you can use it there.
Spherical gravity generators are perfect to create gravity shields. If you set them up to repel, anything that is affected by gravity in a 400 meter bubble will get repelled. This is useful to avoid any projectiles with artificial mass on, or even repel ships with a gravity drive on.
Gravity drives can be extremely powerful, but they have the complication that the mass block position matters. When he launched his escape pod thingy, it got turned upwards cause the mass blocks weren't aligned to the center of mass of the ship. This is important if you want your ship to fly moreless straight while using one. The easiest way to do it is to place all mass blocks around the center of mass.
Finally a gravity drive that works in all directions is possible but hard to control without a script.
Also you can use gravity generators to create a gravity gun to throw what may or may not be explosives at your friends.
I should have mentioned about the shield use of spherical grav gens. That's a very useful point :)
You will want like 6 generators since you have seconds to stop incoming projectiles
Mike A I use 20 nothing gets near me to op
how about a debris shield? 2 generators, one attracts with a longer range, the other repels with a shorter range. the setup keeps debris in a orbit.
@@spacebear4742 Haha, genius! You could fill it up with stone or heavy armor blocks just floating around in it, and then you could have 'shield replenishers' that is a welder-welder-grinder set up that just continually weld heavy armor blocks and cuts them off to float off into the rest of the debris cloud!
One of my favorite gravity-related tools is quite similar to your escape pod tube. Using a cargo container, some parachutes, and an artificial mass block to launch supplies to my planetary bases around the system. With good planning, you can even set a grinder pit of some kind where the cargo container will land and have the resource transfer be completely automated. Plus it's nice and dramatic to "call-in" supply drops from orbit.
That would be a pretty cool system to build, how do you line up the drop so that it's directly over the grinding pit though?
I generally drop from a station, which being stationary means that everything dropped should land in roughly the same area, barring any unforeseen interruptions. Generally you'll want to build the surface base you're supplying with this in mind, possibly using the drop site for the base location. I've seen someone use an extremely long line of projected armor blocks to help line up your shot, if you're launching from a spacecraft, but I'm not sure the limits of how far a projector can cast an image.
Thanks to this guide, I came up with an idea that I've just made a reality.
A gravity generator powered man cannon, capable of launching a player into orbit from the surface of the moon.
It took ~3 hours to create and tweak the grav fields to only affect the chute, but it will be worth it as soon as I get my friend on tomorrow and send him flying.
A little thing I've noticed: if you were to simulate a ring habitat, you'd have to spin the ring around the other axis so that the "centrifugal force" you're simulating with the generator actually always is orthogonal to your axis of rotation.
I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by 'other axis'. Given the spherical generator if you wanted to create a ring station etc you'd probably be best with a group of them in a line (so that you get even gravitational force for the width of the ring) then just have the ring spin around that line, from what I remember doing in this video I just did a similar thing except with one generator and one line of blocks. Not sure how useful it'd be to do in SE though since you'd be unable to build on most surfaces of the ring :(
3 years, but its still a really helpful tutorial. I use artificial mass blocks and gravity generators to move a 6000 tons vehicle on Europa successfully! I never thought I can do it before watch your tutorial. Thanks a lot!
You're very welcome, glad it was still helpful :)
So helpful i was never sure how to see the gravity field that alone made this whole video worth while.
Glad it was helpful for you :)
I absolutely love these types of video thank's a lot.
So THAT'S how grav-engines work! Thank you for finally clearing up that mystery for me :-D
You're very welcome as always :)
I never considered that gravity generators can effect mass blocks on the same grid but it makes sense and now I'm making gravity drives standard for my ships
The tense music when you were flying using the gravity generator fits well!
Thanks, I do try to make the music fit for some things :)
On the server I play on I have made a ship with a 160G gravity cannon that fires stone or "cannonball" ingots at thousands of meters per second (speed limit is removed)
One shot will tear a vanilla red ship in half
Heavy armor doesn't fare much better than light
Even the servers custom armor which is 8X stronger than vanilla heavy armor is no match for my gravity cannon
Even with shields most players give my turf a wide berth because of that ship
The only ship that could tank a shot from it was the admins creative mode ship which had 4 layers of advanced armor and a bunch of shield generators
First shot took his shields down
Second shot blew a hole into his ship
Third shot blew a hole right through it
That sounds like a whole lot of fun :)
I haven't really done much in the way of space battles in SE or much multiplayer really, fingers crossed that'll be something I can change in the future :)
it is more fun than it sounds
being able to use waste material as a weapon is hilarious
especially since his decoy blocks didnt do anything lol
just beware that it will probably tank your sim speed a lot unless you have an overclocked CPU
the server uses a sub zero cooled i7-6700k overclocked to 6.5GHZ
and even that dropped sim speed a decent amount during the battle
How fast does it shoot? O.o
Also: since most my ships use anti grav shields, your gun would be pretty much useless against my ships.
@@thorodinson292 yeah but then I have regular turrets, pulse laser turrets and 2 big bertha cannons to fall back on as a backup
And this ship is designed to take just as much punishment as it can dish out (my testing for this thing was to see if it could destroy itself, then reinforce the hell out of it until it cant) it can take a full broadside from 5 of every weapon in the OKI weapons pack at the same time without shields, and only pierce the first, MAYBE the second layer of armor out of the 20 layers protecting the engineering section (which is where the reactors, gravity drive, normal thrusters.etc are)
and 30 layers protecting the cockpit (which contains the medical room, teleport pad, armory, cryo bay, and a hangar with a heavily shielded escape pod that itself contains a jump drive, fixed lasers, an assembler, a survival kit, a refinery, 4 cryopods 4 passenger seats, and a herald terminal with 500k heralds, heralds are a way of converting one resource into another, effectively selling ingots you don't need, and using the heralds to buy the ones you do need)
Its an absurdly expensive ship, and would probably bankrupt my faction if we lost it, though the gravity cannon has been upgraded to 300G and more ejectors have been added, so now it's capable of singoe shot mode, 30/sec rapid fire mode, and 50 pellet shotgun mode (that last one is possibly the most evil thing I have ever made, I tested it against a vanilla red ship, and it literally deleted it apart from some floating scrap metal pieces and a few stray armor blocks)
So you're saying I can actually build the rail cannon on the front of my ship. The actual gun will be more expensive but the projectile will be be less resource drain. Also grav shields will be very useful against raiders or anyone else using my the same rail
You'll need a fair few grav gens for effective shields but they would be pretty entertaining if you can bounce the object back at your enemy :P
Honestly, I think they need to apply the sensor field method of adjusting the artificial gravity fields. it'd be extremely advantageous to be able to have a separate floor height than your ceiling height, and likewise for the other two dimensions.
It would be handy, but I wonder if they've left it that way deliberately to create a limitation that will be a challenge to design around...
Yeah, that's quite possible. "We are the Borg" :p
Splitse, if you. Put the artificial mass in the front the ship won't tumble like it tried to do to you.
Yeah, I probably should have balanced that a little better :P
In space grav-engine is a good alternative for thrusters, you could save a lot of energy that way
They do seem to be more energy efficient, I should probably test just how much some day :)
That'd be quite a video, would require a hella lot of work thou =)
More energy efficient to match the same acceleration. You might need a speed mod to really test the difference as a 100m/s cap is very easy to hit.
But is it better than a clang drive?
@@J0hnB09 I mean, depends if "less prone to explode" is better or worse?
you should try to do a hyperloop using multiple gravity generators.
I might just attempt such a thing ;)
Gutes Video wie immer :)👌🏻👍🏻
Vielen dank :)
I hope google translate got that one right for me, sadly I didn't learn much german while I was in Switzerland last year - I'm a bit special when it comes to language learning :P
good on you mate! what a second language you have in school?
daniel vom dorf English and French
I did made some kind of gravity accelerator thing myself with around... maybe 300 gravity generators. Then I thought that “Hey! I’ve built something accelearting things to extreme speeds, but I can’t do that, because of 100m/s speed limit!” So, when I did activate and test 1000m/s speed limit modification mod, I was super excited that my gun is finally working... And, when I did press that launch sequence button opening gates and everything, it did actually eject my sort of warhead out of my ship. When I was looking at those 6 layers of heavy armor, it did destroy only one block and then gone through and far far away into space with 1000 m/s velocity... Well, another point for Physics Malfunction!
That is one of the sad side effects of super speeds - the game doesn't have time to calculate the collisions and some weird things happen. At least those weird things happen less often under 100m/s now :P
Well, I am pretty happy with those weird things not happening under 100m/s... Even flying my fighter at 150m/s and firing some missiles cause me to catch those missiles and test my shields against them... I'll try 500m/s mod, hopefully it will work out better... ;-) BTW Thanks Splitsie for replying, I didn't think that you will reply even 10 months after making this video...
That's certainly one of the things I like about SE, once you know what problems you're going to cause you can then choose just how much you're comfortable risking breaking the game ;)
And you're welcome :)
a wall of decoy blocks in armor blocks with mass in the back and u can attach it on all sides of ship and lunch with spherical gravity gen so u get no fire on your ship :)
on a scale from 1 to 10, how evil would it be to add a timer block and turn off the mass blocks on a projectile to make grav shields useless
I'd just think that's good planning ;)
So, if I were to place 2 or 3 overlapping generators set to repel off of the moon, would it be possible to achieve close to 0g, I'm trying to find a way to get a pretty heavy rover that acts as a mobile printer but for flat ground only, my goal is to find a way to create a very low gravity zone to orient my rover on it's side using minimal thrusters then move it closer to a wall that is pulling. I'm open to suggestions around this problem but I really don't want to use a ship due to recharge
On the moon, yep you can still get enough power out of the gravity generators to neutralise or reverse gravity :)
In one of my survival series I built a lunar launcher to send ships to space from the surface with zero fuel spent using that technique - was a fun ride
I'm experimenting with a gravity powered ore transport system. I've built an ore receiving spaceship which I point at an asteroid. The ore shooting space craft flies in a straight line from the Ore receiver towards the asteroid.
Once there I turn it into a station and have a gravity gun shooting ore towards the receiving ship (over long distance I hope) . Multiple grav generators first slow down the ore and then lead it towards some collectors into the system. It's still in testing phase but from a distance where the receiver is still visible it works.
That visual range will always be the trouble, since you'll need to have it visible for the game to not cull those objects. I'm not sure which settings will allow things to remain present for longer, but I believe you'll need to increase floating objects and turn off trash clean up to get the most out of a system like that :)
@@Splitsie Not only does game mechanics make it disappear. Launched ore loses velocity out of gravity range! I was a bit like, huh? That's not very realistic. But there you go. Back to the drawing board. Maybe a self propelled ship can engage dampeners once it comes in range or something.
Oh, that must have changed when they made the floating objects not interact with as much complexity, I'd not noticed that before :(
Hmm I wonder, as you talk to use the grav gen as a potential launching platform for warheads, is it possible to do the reverse? Use it as a shield to deflect attacks?
Sort of, though the attacking craft needs to be sending something at you that is affected by gravity generators, which is only mass blocks and objects that don't do any damage any way :(
can you use mass blocks to put satelites in orbit around planets? Or will clang get mad?
Also when you say that grav gens stop working on mars and higher gravity planets, do you mean all A-grav or just positive gravity? i.e. could you use one to lessen the gravity on a particularly massive planet?
Mass blocks and gravity generators don't work inside planetary gravity fields (anything stronger than 0.5G will completely nullify their effects with a falloff in their effects at less gravity than that)
I made a giant space station in Space Engineers and i placed a Gravity Generator
But it tells me that objects will be attracted as well, so i made a little go kart but it isn’t attracted to the Gravity of the Generator
How can i fix this?
Gravity generators don't attract other grids except for artificial mass blocks
im new to space engineers. just wondering if it is possible to make a weapon using gravity?
sure, just like the escape pod, you can throw ships that way that may or may not contain some explosives. you can also throw ores (rock rocks ;) ) and components.
aBuIIet awesome thanks (=
Sadly the rocks don't work like they used to so you won't be able to make too much of a weapon out of them, but the explosives still work *very* nicely ;)
Ive seen that small explosive blocks aren't very good, so if you make a small block torpedo or shell, use Heavy armor for pretty much the same effect as using small warheads.
It is very simple to put a connector fill of stone with a few gravity generators. Turn the connector to expel and every second a 1K chunk of rock gets thrown out at high speed. It is pretty devastating what moving chunks of rock/ore will do to a ship.
Is the cute little escape pod you used in the launcher up on your steam workshop? I can't seem to find it, and I suck at both small grids and replicating designs from images.
Nope, I'm not sure I've even got that any more either :/
Any way to use gravity generators or anything else to prevent ships your grinding up in space with a grinder ship flying away? The ships I am grinding are hostile, hoping to do it without leaving the cockpit.
Sadly vanilla gravity generators won't work that way, there are some mods that will change gravity generators to affect other grids which you could try if you're happy to use mods. Otherwise you could use landing gear to lock them and maybe with a shunting vehicle push the grid into your grinders
@@Splitsie what if you went into block placement mode from your grinder ship and attached an artificial mass block to your target? You'd need a single welder arm of course, but it would be affected then, wouldn't it?
Ehhhh...but then you'd have to be careful to grind around the mass block too. Hmm...
Artificial mass blocks require power as well, so there'd be two blocks to protect :(
I just managed to build my 24 G cannon (24 parallel gravity generators). When I wanted to test fire it from a ship, my ship suddenly accelerated beyond speed limit (104 m/s). Turned out, the loaded projectile which contained artificial massblocks caused the effect of the gravity drive to occur.
Now I'll add a few inacive AMB's, so my new battleship doesn't only hit hard on range, but also has the capability of getting up close into someone's face.
Love the idea of a dual use cannon - it not only makes my ship shoot things, it also shoots my ship! :P
Splitsie Now I need to build a ship that shoots ships, which shoot projectiles...
I played around some more; apparently the stake (it really is just a massive stake) doesn't work without mass blocks. If I turned off the mass blocks, the projectile would just float in the barrel...
I think I'll combine a sensor with a timer block and have the launch initiated by the projectile itself.
Can you use gravity generator to land safe to a planet rather than using thrusters or parachutes? setting to push gravity as close you get to the earth?
Nope, gravity generators only work up to 0.5G, after that they don't work. They also don't get pushed back, if you were to use grav gens on the moon they'd need to be on the surface with mass blocks on your ship, not the other way around :(
@@Splitsie Gotcha, thank you for your reply!
9:47 "Create a ring of gravity"
**Halo intensifies**
I still need to find some time to make my antigrav lunar railroad that I dreamed of when I made this tutorial...
Could multiple of them repel player made missiles/rockets?
I have recreated ishimura using spherical gravity gens, that way mined ore is is collected and doesnt fly away
That used to be even more valuable when ship drills created small rocks just like the hand drills do, sadly there's only limited use for something like that now :(
When I was trying to build the gravity ejection tube, I placed gravity generators along the tube, so that they are pushing anything affected by gravity towards the center of the tube
Theoretically it should work, but in practice, I almost killed myself when the pod flew sideways and smashed into the gravity generators
Am I the only asshole that thought this was video on real gravity generators, took about a minute before I realized that I was watching a video game
Gotta love those youtube recommendations :P
I really wish you could use gravity generators on planets I wanna create grav tanks and other vehicles or have a star ship hover in atmosphere just using its gravity generators
I have heard of people using Spherical Antigravity Generators to repel torpedos, how does this work if artificial gravity doesn't effect blocks?
They'd likely be talking about repelling player made torpedoes which often contain mass blocks so they can be accelerated by grav gens on board the ship. However if the torpedoes are thruster based then the grav gens will do nothing, so they're not a particularly effective defensive strategy :(
Ah! Artificial Mass Block! I've build anti-gravity field to build my base on the Moon and I was very surprised to know that Artificial Gravity doesn't affect my wielder ship.
launch vipers.. so gonna build the galactica next? or just having fun weaponizing grav gens?
When isn't it fun to weaponise blocks in SE? ;)
@@Splitsie you're right , of course.. always fun!
Looks like gravity cannons have a chance to work on the moons. This could be a good way to get stuff into space. It's also a way to have artillery that is not a catapult.
Absolutely, you should be able to build some impressive lunar artillery pieces with it :)
Moons still have traces of gravity. You might want to utilise propelled projectiles, or advanced ballistics...
@@avd7288 gravity generators still work on moons with the lower gravity.
Damn i thought i might be able to create an atmosphere breaking gravity elevator
Sadly only possible on the moons :(
That artificial mass trick with gravity generators is really cool! Now I want to mess around with building an elevator with it. I'm laughing as I'm thinking and typing this, but I'm 100% serious. Can we cause things to move or blast off with this "feature"? So much as to maybe create machines and even weapons with it?
Yep, you definitely can, they're expensive as weapons since you'll need the mass blocks, but in terms of launching since grav gens will work on moons you can use them to launch stuff pretty much to space from the surface with minimal power needs on the launch vehicle :)
Artificial mass blocks don't seem to work anymore. Looks like they need scrips of whatever, i don't realy get what's going on.
Were you in space? They don't work within the gravity field of a planet.
"This escape Pod" - Group is named *cannon* XD
You saw through my plans ;)
Does the scripting language let you detect the level of Planetary gravity? If so it should be pretty easy to make a script that keeps the grav generator off-setting the moon gravity to allow space designed ships to run to moon bases very safely. A 3 block setup to convert a space-only ship to moon capable would be nice to have.
I'm not sure if the programmable blocks can access that information but even if they could it would likely require more than 3 blocks for a system like that to work. The artificial mass blocks pretend to be a certain amount of mass, you'd need more force against them if their total mass was less than the ship's own.
For example if your ship has a total mass of 100,000kg and the artificial mass total is 50,00kg then you'll need to have twice as much gravitational acceleration from your grav gens as there is planetary gravity for neutral flight.
I probably should have pointed out that function of the artificial mass blocks in the video but I hadn't really thought about it :P
On the moon you are fighting .25G with grav generators capable of .5G so you get at least double the bang per mass block per grav generator. I still cant read the API specs very well, but did not see a planetary gravity property available. I'll have to look at the fancy flight info script in detail and see if there are any clues there.
Damn, I was hoping you could use gravity blocks to create an anti-gravity chamber on a planet, but at least im assuming I could still do it on the moon.
Yep, they still work on the moon, not as powerful as in space but enough to make a launcher out of them :)
Wow.. what's the skybox you have?
Surprisingly that was the vanilla one at the time 🤔
@@Splitsie Hmm alright seems cool. Nice video also it helped me out.
I use the sphere gen as a suffer ball, that sucks in anyone within a 400m radius and kills them on the spot
I feel like it could be as much fun to eject them away at high speed too :D
Are you done with auto pilot? Your two videos were very useful for planet base drones but im struggling with space drones as they operate under slightly different rules.
I'm not done with it, but I keep managing to break my space docking setup. Each time I think I have something foolproof I come up with another foolish method for ensuring it doesn't work :(
I have got horizontal docking on planets working reliably though
Splitsie are you moving more than 20m/s when trying to dock to your space dock because that could cause damage if you are if you still need some help with that let me know i saved the world I built my space auto docking ship in though I have not messed with it since I made that video
The ship's moving slower than 20, but despite setting it up like the video you showed me I've only had the dock working for the first few times then it starts messing up :(
I've got horizontal docking working on planets with a highly reliable setup but space just isn't playing ball. Even with the remote sitting over the centre of mass it starts jiggling about at each way point which means it's not aligned when it approaches the final docking point. That's with precision and collision avoidance off. I might try to see if I can make a video out of all the different attempts - the challenge will be making it so I don't sound like I'm whinging :P
a video might be good then I could see what you are doing and if all else fails we can try a multiplayer world again to help you get the bugs worked out.
So do they work on vehicles in space
That's the only place they're properly effective
@ I tried to use mechs and wheeled vehicles in a space station with artificial gravity but the stuff just floats away?
Oh that's what you mean, apologies, I misunderstood.
Artificial gravity only acts on 'mass blocks' not on any of the other grid blocks, so you'd need to have them near the wheels (since the force acts directly on the block and that's the easiest way to balance it)
@ ok thanks hopefully they just let artificial gravity work like normal in SE2.
Very interestig
Thanks mick, though I presume you'd have come across most if not all of this by now :)
Other than using them to do their job on a space base or ship, I have done nothing with them. I certainly have never used more than one to do a job - ^--^
I thought docking are supposed to be done in zero G?
You can dock wherever, it might be easier in zero G though
With all the UFO/UAP hearings, im hoping we get a prototech gravity generator that can do like three or 5 gs. ive never made a gravity drive ship, but its the principle. and maybe i was too hard on them for the jump drive. maybe they know something we dont =P
So, in theory, one could use a bunch of spherical gravity generators, merge/connector blocks, artificial mass and warheads to essentially create gravity drive powerered cluster nukes? *90 more hours in SE later*
In theory yes, in practice, also yes but as you say - much patience required :P
I'd be more than happy to build, research and test it out and give you a list of mods + a workshop link when I finish. imagine the chaos c:
Is it possible to create zero gravity on a planet?
Or anti gravity.
No. Gravity generators cannot function at all in natural gravity above 0.5g. on the moon, Titan and Europa you can use them but not on any of the planets
Is there a way to kind of, cheat, with Gravity Generators? Kind of like a Mass Effect drive. Use it to lower the mass of a ship within a planets gravity field, so that your thrusters don't have to work as hard. I mean, if you can create negative gravity, then couldn't you make a 1 million Kg ship float without expensive upward thrusters? A cheap way of flight. If what I said makes any sense.
Gravity generators won't work in planetary grav fields stronger than 0.5G, so yes you can, but only at very high altitude or on moons and you'd also want to be perfectly oriented or it'll just drag you off to one side :/
sir , mass drivers are weapons of mass destruction outlawed by the league of non aligned worlds, the minbar federation, the narn regime, the centauri republic, and united earth
Iv made a railgun ship,stronger then the atlas super laser (testet on a frigate I that build only works in zero g and made it also with a mod for speed limits)
hmm, security clearance system for certain things in the game would be sweat.
Hmm. looking that the spherical gen on -1G, you could make the Babylon 5 station.
You certainly could have a good crack at it :) Though we don't have many blocks that can be build on diagonal surfaces :(
Good point. There definitely need to be a release containing a lot of new blocks to give us the ability to create new or more specific shapes.
I wonder about using artificial gravity to make a space elevator
You can do that but only on worlds with less than 0.5G of planetary gravity. At 0.5 or above artificial gravity generators won't work
Six years later and they still haven't added the ability to offset the gravitational field. 😢
I suspect that's not something they plan to add, as I can't imagine it would be difficult to do so, but it would be nice if they changed their mind on it as it's annoying having to place your grav gens dead centre
You didn't cover the space ball
At the time I think it was creative mode only so I didn't see the need :)
Wait...I can get stuff into Orbit? I am SO going to mess around with that.TY!
You're welcome, make sure you use this new knowledge responsibly :P
Of course....
Hehehe.
Hi
eyyy lmao, now I don't have to look for tutorials!
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I do what I can ;)