@CrayHay Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it! Also you’re the first to mention the editing and I’ve been working on that so I’m happy you appreciated that as well.
So many people just aren’t ready to have this conversation and prefer to stay ignorant on the topic. I get it, it’s uncomfortable. I’m a survivor of CSA myself. I have sympathy up to the point they offend or attempt to. Especially the ones who hate that they are attracted to kids, some really struggle it seems like. They all should have access to treatment, tho there’s plenty who don’t want it or don’t care that they might harm a child, to some that’s the point. if it can help us protect children for CSA and put a dent in online child exploitation I’m all for it. We should be talking about this more or nothing is going to get better and people will continue to miss the full scope of this issue. And I think we should have more state facilities like Coalinga to hold sex offenders and try and treat them, not just pedophiles, when they’re deemed too dangerous to release. Unfortunately, there aren’t a whole lot who are able to be released, and many who just deny treatment all together.
Thanks! A lot of us start off hating our attractions, but over time, we learn that abuse is a choice and doesn't just happen, and we come to accept and even like our attractions, knowing we won't cause any harm.
Thats what I'm- Nah just kidding I did watch the video, you'll know as sood as you allow your head to either be proven right so you stronger on your ideals or you given a new view you never thought of before, seeing something greater or seeing a problem you can overcome. Basically your gonna have to risk crigging to be able to find greatness otherwise we become the sterotypical boomer who still believes badly applied views like things you can't change about yourself.... define who you. That is litterary what a pedophile is just happens that aspect also influences their actions- like the many sexual oritentsions just happens they don't hut those they love inhertly.
Dude, your channel is seriously underrated. I was shocked that this video only had 30 views. I've never really thought about that topic to be honest and it's nice to see someone being open minded and empathetic about it
@lulianjuliuswassbach I appreciate it bro 🙏🏻 Yeah that’s the goal. It’s something we all have strong feelings about but I don’t think people really take the time to think it through and realize that rational, open discussion is helpful and actually prevents harm in the first place.
Incredibly impressed with the way this topic was covered. This topic was extremely fascinating to listen to, especially with this semi-sympathetic approach. Can’t wait to check out the rest of the content on this somehow underground channel!!?
Yes, i think 100% they or better "we" deserve Sympathy, it's no one's choice what kind of Sexual Orientation they got because most people are born with it, the only thing People are responsible for, is to NOT commit any crimes ever and live it out with NEVER hurting another Human being.
You’re very brave for speaking on this topic. That is the hallmark of a true intellectual-someone who tackles the hard, unpopular stuff that might get him chased by the angry mob. Much respect.
Not exactly a video I want to have in my "likes" but I think it's got a very strong point. I'm always the one to play devil's advocate and it's barely ever gotten me anywhere good, so I'm glad somebody was able to articulate a point I had in my mind but couldn't put to words. Especially considering that, like you said, if you speak about pedophiles that is to do anything other than condemn them you'll get accused of pedophilia yourself, which is just... Just so unhelpful.
Hey. I had a friend who came out to me as a MAP and got sent this video and this is really great tbh. Im shocked. I honestly might send this to some friends, i think its really well thought out and informative video that i hope really picks up steam and blows up.
@NcYte707 Thank you! Props to you and your friend for trusting and helping each other out with such a taboo secret. I hoped this video could act as a conversation starter for people so I’m pleased to hear that as well.
@@thesolipsistcinema I shared it with two friends hoping to help inform and educate them a bit too, your video is the perfect excuse to bring up the convo. Amazing work. Tbh it's made me wanna check out a few of your other videos too
@NcYte707 That’s awesome to hear! If you liked this taboo topic here, I have a video essay talking about movies depicting rape scenes you might like? I like doing content in a blunt way that I don’t really see anyone else doing. Also my essay on Antinatalism is an esoteric topic you might like? If you do check them out please comment and tell me what you think? Even if it’s not all good news lol I appreciate constructive pushback.
Wow, congrats to your friend! It's a very scary thing to come out to another person in real life. I'm out to 17 people. ... I wonder if I'm your friend.
This a amazingly well put video, the point is amazingly put though avoiding opinions it does an amazing job making it's points conside and Explaniable. Just wished people were willing to go past their "Nuh Uh" feelings and engange. The worst it can do is make you cringe in a bad way while still rechecking your points. Please do watch it as if you are correct please do explain why your opposition is VERY important to understand something most likely been dehumanized for years.
It's an unfortunate aspect of the human condition no different from other paraphilias or personality disorders like psychopathy. These things must be treated/contained because they will always be with us.
I think you're a highly compassionate person who wants to see all sides of an issue - traits that society needs more of. I can't agree with much of what you said here, though. Years ago I stumbled across a forum similar to this one and had the same thoughts -- if they aren't hurting children they aren't monsters, right? Maybe not everyone with pedophilic thoughts is evil or a bad person. But I think it's still important to keep children away from people like this, when possible. The other thing is you can't really understand someone by a few posts on an anonymous forum, especially when they have an agenda. The woman who said she loved a doll may not have even been a woman at all. I've known too many abusive people who come across as kind, and can even be kind sometimes, yet still engage in cruel and evil shit. Still love your channel : D. And I admit you still made some great points here.
@Anarcho-Communist895 Thanks for watching it. Yeah I’m mainly coming from a place of openness to understand and empathy for those who have unwanted thoughts. I think that pedophiles have to be more careful than adults given that children are a more vulnerable class of person, but I think there’s a lot of nuances in there people don’t think about. There are places where heterosexual people are around plenty of incredibly attractive people, adults who are mentally handicapped or physically dependent, and you don’t think that they are of a massive risk to offend against them; Simply because they have an attraction. So I think something else has to go wrong or an additional factor needs to be present for someone to actually offend, the sexual attraction isn’t in and of itself representative of actions. And like I say in the essay, pedophiles aren’t the only ones who abuse kids, so for “normal” adults that do, again there’s an additional aspect of low impulsivity management, wanting of control, or sadism that is present. Not just the sexuality. I think it’s interesting that if there is an instance of a pedophile working with children as say a teacher, from the outside you can see them as just being great with the kids. But if a rumor spreads that they’re a pedophile, the same innocent behavior is turned sour, even if their actions haven’t changed at all. And yeah it’s true that some of the responses could be lying, but I think that’s true for any aspect of life. People were surprised Ted Bundy was a serial killer because to his friends and family he was such a great guy. So it’s impossible to truly know what ANYBODY truly thinks or does. So this problem isn’t exclusive to pedophiles. But anyways thanks for watching the channel and I hope you enjoy the other videos!
@@thesolipsistcinema Since anyone can be a risk to children, I think it's important to have rules anywhere you have adults taking care of children, like no child is alone with just one adult.
Idea for prevention is nice. and you do need to find a way to make people comfortable enough to admit they have the problem. BUT it felt like you were going a little too soft on them. Like the best example of that is the doll thing. Because there’s no credible study to ever show that indulging in an addiction in small increments will prevent them from doing it heavily. yes there are studies that show that when you’re trying to help someone get rid of addiction if you give less and less of the substance(behavior) overtime you are much more likely to stop them from relapsing compared to taking it all the way at once. BUT The big difference with that is they end up stopping altogether at some point. You need to find a way to tell people that what you’re thinking is bad very bad but just because you have the thought does it mean you’re bad unless you act upon it. I really didn’t like how you were glorifying them when they didn’t fully act upon their thoughts. What’s being expected of them is a baseline for just living in society. It may be more difficult for them than others, but that doesn’t mean when they achieve it it’s something Metal worthy. And I’m not saying that it isn’t a good thing that they don’t do it or that there isn’t some level of praise that you need to give them for not doing it. after all positive reinforcement has shown to work really well for literally everything. It’s just dealing with addiction isn’t something metal worthy. And yes I think it’s safe to classified as an addiction comparable to gambling, alcoholism, and stealing. And for the three things I’ve listed we know that Peoples brains can you get wired to desperately and compulsively seek all of those things out. But one people don’t engage in those behaviors we don’t give them a metal because although it is very good it is not impressive. Everyone Hass to control them self to a certain extend. And although for some it’s much more difficult than others. I’m positive there are no Studies that show that shows worst cases of pedophilia are remotely comparable to some thing like extreme alcohol or drug addiction. You’re not a hero for doing not doing a bad thing you’re compulsively wanting to do, you’re just showing self control which is something all people should and due to a certain extent.
@Cobra701 Those studies to get rid of addictive behavior, would be for things outside of a sexuality that you got accustomed to doing, not an unchangeable aspect of who you are. For information relating to pedophilia, specific studies would have to be done and because it’s so taboo, they haven’t been on a wide scale. The idea with the doll is for them to have something to channel their sexual desires towards, not something to wean them off the idea of pedophilia. (Like I said in the video, there’s no indicators that one can get rid of a sexual proclivity like pedophilia). I wouldn’t say I glorified non offending pedophiles, but it is extremely impressive to not act on a desire as natural and impulsive as sexuality. For me, I couldn’t imagine never watching porn because of how deeply unethical the content is, or having to risk prison in doing so. The level of impressiveness in denying oneself those desires of course does vary. For pedophiles that don’t want to act on their sexuality because it’s wrong and accept that, it’s admirable but not as much so as someone who has unchosen thoughts and impulses to actually manipulate a way into abusing a real child. In that case it would be even more impressive that they don’t act on the stronger urges, and yeah I think that will power should be encouraged and identified so people know it’s possible. Yes it’s a baseline cultural norm to not sexually abuse children, but if you have the unchosen sexual attraction, I think it takes strength to not act on it. As someone who doesn’t have those particular urges, you can’t really relate to how it would feel to have them, because to you they aren’t desirable to you in anyway right? So you’d have to replace that example with some other sexual aspect in your life and then imagine trying to live without that. Really sit and think about what it would be like to have an unethical sexual proclivity…. So much of human life and interaction revolves around sex. So imagine not fully relating to anyone else and having to hide your thoughts. Maybe even feeling guilty every time a thought pops into your head that you didn’t choose to have. Left unchecked that would be agonizing. I think it’s hyperbole to literally want to give a pedophile a medal for not offending, but I nevertheless think it’s impressive and see no harm in recognizing that.
I fully disagree with the idea that sexual preference is a defining feature of someone. and just because someone’s not a pedophile doesn’t mean they don’t show self-restraint most people have sexual attraction and most people that do don’t impulsively act upon it. we have the impulse to have sex with people but we don’t rape them even if we find them attractive. That’s why I think it’s inherently different The normal sexual preference. Every other form of sexual attraction although it’s difficult people can still resistant not have and not have sex. I Still thought it was good video and a great conversation starter
@cobra701 Yeah I make the point in my video showing how similar pedophilic urges and normal sexual urges are when talking about the assumption that all pedophiles what to offend. It’s a sexual urge, not unlike ours. But I still think it’s different because they have a limited way to act on their urges without it being illegal or unethical so those feelings build up more. The normal sexual fantasies we have may be unrealistic, but we still have various ethical and legal ways to get off. I can easily find some milf porn that appeals to me in a second, but if I had to work way harder or break the law to find something I thought was attractive, that would be different. So pedophiles that deny themselves the same sexual gratification we do, I think that’s impressive. And the whole point is that they have a sexual proclivity that is unethical to act upon, so they have a burden of never doing so that we don’t have. I’m not sure what gave you the impression that a sexual preference is the defining feature of someone, maybe you were just mentioning it and not directing it towards me, but yeah there are other influences outside of direct sexual orientation that can cause people, pedophiles or not, to sexually abuse. I think I said that it was unchangeable so maybe you were referring to that, because from the limited research we do have, it isn’t possible to remove pedophilic urges. So I think once the thoughts manifest in someone, it’s highly unlikely to reverse. Thanks for watching the video too and I’m glad it sparked thought.
Before you come into the video just to leave a comment saying no just read this. The base idea here is that pedo’s can’t control their attraction for children, and as long as they don’t act on their attractions they shouldn’t be demonised as it’s out of their control and their doing everything they can to be normal and not predatory towards children.
@wellwoven2457 How does one “choose” to be a pedophile? Did you choose your sexual attraction? Maybe you’re conflating pedophilia with sexual molestation but I’m wondering did you even watch any of the video whatsoever?
@@thesolipsistcinemathey are two different things pedophilia is when an adult is attracted to minors that can’t consent which is illegal. But a sexuality should be where two people who can consent love each other pedophilia is not love it’s one sided and is not ok
I wonder what the woman with the doll would do if she had a son instead of a daughter. Could she care for him without being sexual? Would that fulfill some of her wants to care for children?
@citysmall3427 The woman with the doll only had the female doll, not a real child. (As far as I know from her responses) Or unless you meant a boy doll instead of the female. I might need slight clarification of your question. But yeah that is an interesting point, there’s a hypothesis called the Westermarck Effect that posits that if you are in close proximity to someone raised at an early age (parents, siblings etc) you’re less likely to be attracted to them. There’s of course exceptions to this, but I think in general from what we see in society, it is likely true but I haven’t looked into it very much yet. From the response in the video, she’s likely lesbian so yeah maybe a boy child might not invoke any feelings of sexual attraction at all and maybe if she had a real daughter her maternal instincts would overcome any sexual feelings she might have, if any.
@@thesolipsistcinema yeah no i meant she would most likely, because shes both maternal and sexual with the girl doll, be both with a real daughter. But perhaps because she doesn't like boys, she could safely mother a son, without being sexual with him.
@citysmall3427 ah ok I get you. Then yeah we could hope the Westermarck effect may be accurate in that case, but if not that it would be a struggle for sure. In her other replies, one of which I used in the essay, she personally seems to recognize the harm it would cause so maybe she would be able to stop herself because of ethical concern. But yeah unfortunately it is also true that there are plenty of cases where the parent (usually father) is the causer of the abuse to the child and is the one to film it and put it out there online so that is a concern too. If you’re a pedophile and logically know you don’t want to offend, no matter what you’ll have that extra worry looming over you.
Near the end you said what I was actually thinking myself for years. It doesn't make sense that pedophiles which litterally means "child-lovers" would want to hurts children. Usually, most people who love someone don't want to hurt them. Shame that you used music and scenes that convey a strong negative emotionnal response in viewers. Like you're saying that "many pedophiles never offended and are innocent" while showing dark scenes and creepy music, sending an emotionnal message that you're speaking about criminals and reinforcing the negative myths that every MAP is a criminal.
@loup9003 The subject is disturbing so while I don’t want the video to be so creepy you can’t watch, I do think the topic requires a serious tone. Especially when talking about those who do offend. Showing dark scenes isn’t only saying that’s what all maps are (my entire dialog in the video says otherwise) but it’s showing what extremes we want to avoid, what a lot of maps are NOT doing, and showing how they are portrayed in media. Just because something’s emotionally creepy doesn’t mean it’s reinforcing something negative. I myself find that the darkest things are often the most entertaining, therefore the most likely to stay with me after I’ve finished the content. So if I want my message to be heard, it has to penetrate people’s psyche and stay with them. My way will work for some, and not for others. So I think various methods are ultimately required. But seeing this topic discussed in this method hasn’t really been done, so I think it was necessary.
@@thesolipsistcinema I mean fair, social stigma is what makes showing different views so difficult because noone wants to bother listening to possible be wrong because in their mind they're absolutely right and theres is no way they could be wrong, even though the video does agree with some of their points while rightfully critizing others backing it up with evedince I'm too lazy to put in. I'd learned if I am so confident in my idea why should I be fear another's opinion against it? if I am right what do I have to loose to listen to a new point? the worse this video can probably do is annoy you in the sense you were proven right, showing yeah your point is strong but you seem to have not as I don't see in some detail on why you disagree with the video's point, its the same neejerk reaction I get when someone critizes something I love, even if they're right.
@alexcat6685 I love that point you made, if you’re confident in your views, then why be opposed to hearing others? What are you afraid of? It takes an amount of work and self examination that many are too lazy to do. Like if my opinion is so wrong, then you should have no problem telling me why right? lol
@@thesolipsistcinemaYea but I also see why a person might not, there a kind similar reaction i have when someone insults something I like, making me want to do a thing i know is wrong because it doesn't add to the conversation or really enhance anything: "Nuh uh" Because being wrong expecially in something you believed basically your life was right is proven to be wrong or more complex than you thought leading to confusion and Fear of the uknown. The possibility what has been basically made fun of as predators watting to strike with vartions leading to lolicons who unlike pedophiles are not only not inhertly into children just into aspects that resemble that part but their focus is mainly on the fictional bodytype that can be decently dissered from reality due to exaguration of cuteness that can be sexually attractive I suppose similar to pedophiles howevet it's aspect Lolicons can actually control. 5000 year Loli is joked on so much because the media fails to really like explore that idea in any meaningful way so it comes as an excuse. Anyway basically what I thought was bad isn't bad? I was bad for treating it so badly? Yeah I get it losing sucks but it is important with risk being wrong so we can learn no matter how much it can hurt. Currently I applying this to story I wanna do where with little knowlegde of pedophiles with the main "they had no control over that getting that impulse" created a character that challenges that mindset that badly understands. He's a Demon who as a person is an amazing lad, though his confidence an humility is shit due to his one trait: he's a pedophile so intern he hides this fact from the family he connects with with, assuming they'll execute him as soon as they hear that. Ontop of that using the older looking young girl thing to an oni loli, who's way older than him that he wants to date and Smash but doesn't know if he's into her because of her(body, mind and spirit) or just because she fufills just his fetish(Body). Contrasting him with a villian who'd have the looks of young looking demon however unlike the one I just talked about, he isn't a pedophile, he's a sciopath who uses minors for his superiority complex unfortanlly sexually aswell. This is for well what you said in the video Pedophilia and it's varitions is a sexual orientation, unlike basically all of them(Bi,G,L,A) it's an impulse they can't apply without hurting someone, that doesn't define them. In way those sterotypes are basically like the Gay sterotypes, treating the aspect as the entire character completely ingoring all of who that person would actually be. Due to my fear and lazyness I haven't gotten to designing this idea yet, but I suppose ideas do take a combination a thing I definitly applyied was, it was something with Grapes that an idea takes time sometimes alot of it to build up into one great one. So does choose the rope when you can't apply it entirely. Your video is trully amazing and has reminded me again of how future generations see something that past didn't or refused to due to stigma and refusal to try new things. MAPs are valid, something i considered a Terrible response to a problem I didn't understand, now knowing it I see they and most likely too Zoophiles are valid to take in. Just unlike the many they have a different problem that those think. Aside from opinions the video is amazingly done, I don't know enough about video making but it did basically do a great job putting it's thoughts across respectifully through critism.
The thing is, the non offending pedos do consume pedo content eventually, where are real children involved, they are paying that industry with their money, their views. What about those tiktok moms that put their little girls in small skirts an make them do..''gymnatic'' moves. Tens of thousands saves on those videos, and those aren't for ''talent'''. Some of them watch lolicon content (anime styled drawn CP), which is drawn, but you have to understand that by watching that graphic content, that almost always contains r3pe, violence, reduces their morality by time, it blinds them and one day only watching it won't be enough. What then? I am not saying they should all be eliminated, but if there will every be a therapy session, a chemical/medical surgery that can sort of save them and the victims, then thats what should be used. What guarantee you have that those people won't offend? I would say this video is important to talk about, as i as well was interested to see what do people think about it. Hoping this video will get more popular so we can see more people speaking on this.
@rottenkittenparvo - I responded with a pretty lengthy reply that seems to not be showing up now, can you see it on your end? Edit- yeah my response keeps getting deleted, I’m not sure why. I screenshot it this time so if you come back here looking for a reply maybe give it a day or two
@rottenkittenparvo. If you really want, you can email me and I’ll always respond there. I don’t know how these small responses are going through though. It’s not like my response is any more vulgar or word sensitive than others so I think it’s something with this thread.
Hey there! Virped Memeber #4 here. What makes kodocon erode someone's morals more than, say, CNC porn or violent media depicting serial killers or tortures (not even porn in this case, just stuff like Dexter or Hannibal)? I use shota weekly, if not daily, no real people are involved, and so no one is hurt. My ethical convictions are as strong today as ever, if not stronger. I've never used actual CSEM, and I've never wanted to seek it out (possibly because illustrated stuff exists? I don't know. I haven't had to face that situation, and I hope I never have to).
@@thesolipsistcinema I suppose you work hard enough man, copying the comment is good enough. and sense the comment section is this low I can say basically what I said to S1eepy0w1 and Die66666(edgy name in mixed way)
@@thesolipsistcinema I love this response instead of an understandable "I understand, but if you'd even see the video you would have more than that", as it asks from the crowds point of view since while it is terrible they do degrade these people away from what they themselves are: human the worst people are like in you they always were it's just they choose to do that in the same way you could but chose not to. makes you a better person but not more human, just an any human they choose terrible decisions one can't really justify, in same way we make mistakes done out of reasoning not justification sometimes. treating them as what they aren't is a good way to let em get worse, as they'll become what you say they are, I learned that more from viewing this video. Just as psychopaths are individuals with an illeness that makes living more difficult so are Minor attracted individuals. Anyway Why do you choose to not view them as human?
@@thesolipsistcinemaif it was your child would you like the abuser to walk free ? If you would you need help I understand that if they don’t act on it that it’s not bad but that’s simply not true if you had a friend who masterbates to images of your child?
I watched this video to research crime psychology for a character I’m writing in a cosmic horror stop-motion piece about CSA and the victim complex of abusers. This video gave me insight into truly the most disgusting and horrific mindset that I’m honestly relieved I was struggling with it before. The fragility it must take to maintain such passiveness about the deepest of evils completely disregards the real victims of these thoughts. Physical assaults are not the only form of sexual violence, and justifying what it is to objectify a child unknown to you as a sexual object in your mind scape is still harming them. It reminds me of the last season of BoJack Horseman where he has the interview and is made aware for the first time in his life what power he has over women. How to really help people with these intrusive thoughts is make them fully aware of what abuse it is just to think that way, and that a gaze is as violating with such vision as the physical. Thank you, but no this is really fucked up. Sorry for not having enough empathy I guess
@clownofclowns444 Throughout the essay, multiple times I condemn offenders by calling their actions sick and disgusting, I say they should be punished, I share various stories of abuse and show methods that can help prevent them from happening, and I share honest insight into some offenders and pedophile’s thought process so we can better understand the problem. How many more times do I have to denounce immoral behavior for it to seem appropriate for you? I never denounced slavery in the essay, am I a racist until I specifically say that I’m not? Randomly saying I disagree with pedophilia over and over, something that like 99% of people already agree with, is just boring and repetitive. I’d rather spend time on nuanced and interesting aspects that don’t usually get talked about. I’m not very familiar with Bojack but I would assume his misogynistic views manifest themselves in some form of actions he has? Intrusive thoughts like driving into oncoming traffic or kicking a baby are normal unwanted thoughts that can randomly occur in anybody. If someone cuts me off in traffic and I curse them out and imagine punches them, how have I harmed them in anyway whatsoever? The thought came and left from my head without them even being aware of its existence. So when I say to have pedophilic thoughts isn’t immoral, what I’m saying is that it’s not immoral to the person to have unwanted thoughts enter their mind. You can’t control what pops into your mind. Like I say, I continuously condemn if they acted on it, but thoughts are involuntary. I think repeated thoughts can shape your worldview in a negative way if you aren’t aware of them, but to do actual harm they have to manifest themselves in physical action or verbally. You can recognize a thought is morally wrong without personally condoning it being a reality. People without pedophilia have random violent or sexual thoughts about people all the time they don’t act on.
@@thesolipsistcinema I’m not calling anyone out or accusing anyone of anything. I just think that adults should be responsible for understanding how their thoughts affect others before anyone gets hurt. Having intrusive thoughts and identifying yourself as a pedophile are very different. Because telling a child how you think about people their age sexually is still abuse. I’m not saying everyone that has intrusive thoughts is an abuser either, but the knowledge of thoughts can be just as damaging to children experiencing csa. While mental health should always value the individual seeking help, people should still choose to put a child’s safety first
@acekaptain It’s basic journalistic freedom of speech to show or say any thoughts that people have. Do you have any kind of rational response to the content presented? Or do you refuse to engage your mind in challenging topics.
@@thesolipsistcinemafor what the section is they seem to miss the very first second with the comedian, They didn't choose to have this problem it doesn't define them. The same way kids from the hood aren't defined by their circustances, the same way blind people shouldn't be defined by their circustances. That is why all of them deserve a healthy life, they really inhertly didn't do anything wrong. Yet simply because they were cursed you want them hanged, that doesn't help prevent any them from their impulses it just makes them more deseraible as what else can they do? Have a world who refuses to see these people as people with a problem instead as parasites to eradicate? This makes why the point of child abuse cases increasing or well more specific to sexual ones, because the people who are able to grow and improve aren't supported in that so they're left with the pain and when it gets bad enough no amount of sadness and guilt is gonna stop it. Doesn't justify it ofcourse it doesn't but it also doesn't suddenly justify Murder, self defense sure thats reccomend thats a matter of survival. But Murder thats done out of spite, let the demons to their demons in a way but please don't neglect any more to be one.
As always you are so thoughtful with your treatment of each issue you cover! I guess this falls more under the ephebophile umbrella, but I would love to see a follow-up looking into women who sexualize young boys, especially white women preying on boys of color. Because our society tends to infantilize white women and treat children of color, especially boys, as adult way before they are grown up, this corner of the MAP population is often downplayed or even celebrated as a kid "scoring" or a woman being "wooed" by a child. Kids are always going to have crushes on adults as part of their development, and it's the job of those adults to set boundaries. Popular media usually portrays an archetype of a white suburban dad preying on young boys or girls at sleepovers, but much like how the "stranger danger" straw man distracts from the very real fact that most abuse/rape is at the hands of a family member, the focus on just the Law & Order: SVU depiction of pedophiles distracts from the people who are most likely to follow through on their MAP thoughts, and downplays the very real harm that those situations cause.
@emmballs8376 Thanks for watching! That’s a really interesting aspect you brought up that even I haven’t given too much thought on. I do like films that explore the ephebophile aspect of things as well, like May December or Call Me By Your Name. Also what you mentioned about boys of color having to grow up fast is a very true dilemma. I think usually the only time woman are depicted as the predators are when it’s in a comedic setting, not taken seriously. I always think of South Park demonstrating this when Kyle complains about the female teacher grooming his little brother and everyone is just like “nice”, or the “where was she when I was in school”. So sadly abuse is often overlooked or not taken seriously. It’s also very true that most sexual abuse is from inside the home or close family friends, so yeah people’s perception of danger is very misguided. I am about 95% done with a somewhat follow up essay to this one. I talk about the irreversible harm that misconceptions can have, using the 2012 movie The Hunt as an example. And this leads me to discussing topics around pedophiles working around children and other related stuff. So if I find the right angle or films, your suggestion could potentially have an impact on a future video, so thanks for the recommendation.
@die66666 then you have no idea what my opinions are, you can’t even articulate or rationalize your own beliefs, and so your opinion as of now is rather invalid.
Then I'll try summarizing it, pedophiles are as human as you and me its hard thing to believe due our enjoyment, making them be merely inhuman so we make the idea of supposedly a bad action as torture not seem so bad if it happens to someone we don't like, despite simply having a problem they had no control in obtaining just reacting. But they are people who can potentially commit to impulses their mind just forces without control, in same way a person can have a impulse to binge eat despite their physical health, their way of thinking in attraction is basically the same as ours just ours can be actually done without inherently hurting another. They're similar to psychopaths and more likely too sociopaths, individuals with an issue most of them try to overcome, not irredeemable monsters because you merely know what they can be more fueled to do, they Should be treated as the people who need help they're than the grime they aren't to prevent the moment to where we actually take them seriously in when they can't hold on any longer. I will say that refusing to ever listen to another's point or going to atleast some detail on why shows less a moral standing and solidness that doesn't need an explanation and more like the ego can't take the idea of something it believed ever being more than it thought, now because of how many mental illness were treated back then and any solution out of the norm wasn't cared for leading to well the video too explains why not allowing a discussion i also incompetent,(it leads to things getting worse as the problem doesn't not get prevented espically when people refuse to try and understand)I Ask please atleast watch it as it does better justify it's title by brining a point on why Should we very well.
@@AceKaptainIs it because what he said is wrong? Or is it because it's not what you wanted to hear? I'd say to make the differce please go into detail to back up your point.
If you are correct explain to me why treating people who happen to have kept unwillingly an attraction to minors after Growing up as people are inhertly inhuman?
A very unapologetically honest and thought-provoking essay, Solipsist Cinema. Great editing too! Commendable work.
@CrayHay Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it! Also you’re the first to mention the editing and I’ve been working on that so I’m happy you appreciated that as well.
So many people just aren’t ready to have this conversation and prefer to stay ignorant on the topic. I get it, it’s uncomfortable. I’m a survivor of CSA myself. I have sympathy up to the point they offend or attempt to. Especially the ones who hate that they are attracted to kids, some really struggle it seems like. They all should have access to treatment, tho there’s plenty who don’t want it or don’t care that they might harm a child, to some that’s the point. if it can help us protect children for CSA and put a dent in online child exploitation I’m all for it. We should be talking about this more or nothing is going to get better and people will continue to miss the full scope of this issue. And I think we should have more state facilities like Coalinga to hold sex offenders and try and treat them, not just pedophiles, when they’re deemed too dangerous to release. Unfortunately, there aren’t a whole lot who are able to be released, and many who just deny treatment all together.
Thanks! A lot of us start off hating our attractions, but over time, we learn that abuse is a choice and doesn't just happen, and we come to accept and even like our attractions, knowing we won't cause any harm.
Wasn’t expecting it to go the way it did but I mean those are good points
No ❌
@PointWithin Why not? How much of the video did you even watch?
hell nah
Why's that?
@@James_the_mpa me looking for when i gave a fuck
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Thats what I'm- Nah just kidding I did watch the video, you'll know as sood as you allow your head to either be proven right so you stronger on your ideals or you given a new view you never thought of before, seeing something greater or seeing a problem you can overcome.
Basically your gonna have to risk crigging to be able to find greatness otherwise we become the sterotypical boomer who still believes badly applied views like things you can't change about yourself.... define who you.
That is litterary what a pedophile is just happens that aspect also influences their actions- like the many sexual oritentsions just happens they don't hut those they love inhertly.
Dude, your channel is seriously underrated. I was shocked that this video only had 30 views. I've never really thought about that topic to be honest and it's nice to see someone being open minded and empathetic about it
@lulianjuliuswassbach I appreciate it bro 🙏🏻 Yeah that’s the goal. It’s something we all have strong feelings about but I don’t think people really take the time to think it through and realize that rational, open discussion is helpful and actually prevents harm in the first place.
Incredibly impressed with the way this topic was covered. This topic was extremely fascinating to listen to, especially with this semi-sympathetic approach. Can’t wait to check out the rest of the content on this somehow underground channel!!?
@missgabs007 Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy the others as well.
I hope I deserve some sympathy, and/or empathy! Thanks, this was very well thought out.
Yes, i think 100% they or better "we" deserve Sympathy, it's no one's choice what kind of Sexual Orientation they got because most people are born with it, the only thing People are responsible for, is to NOT commit any crimes ever and live it out with NEVER hurting another Human being.
Yeah basically that, as you aren't defined by it.
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Excellent video! Have you read "A Long Dark Shadow" by Allyn Walker? It's a pretty good look at modern treatment, prevention, and understanding.
@squidality Thanks! It’s in my Amazon cart so I’ll get to it soon. I did read Past The Dark Field though.
You’re very brave for speaking on this topic. That is the hallmark of a true intellectual-someone who tackles the hard, unpopular stuff that might get him chased by the angry mob. Much respect.
@DubbzRHandle Thank you! I hope you got something out of it. I definitely had some trepidations putting this out but I think it’s important.
Not exactly a video I want to have in my "likes" but I think it's got a very strong point. I'm always the one to play devil's advocate and it's barely ever gotten me anywhere good, so I'm glad somebody was able to articulate a point I had in my mind but couldn't put to words. Especially considering that, like you said, if you speak about pedophiles that is to do anything other than condemn them you'll get accused of pedophilia yourself, which is just... Just so unhelpful.
Because what's worse than being a pedo, right?
Thoughts, feelings, or attractions have no moral value. Only actions have moral value.
>does not even know what the word means
>comments no
believes he is morally superior
>why nobody IRL likes me?
Hey. I had a friend who came out to me as a MAP and got sent this video and this is really great tbh. Im shocked. I honestly might send this to some friends, i think its really well thought out and informative video that i hope really picks up steam and blows up.
@NcYte707 Thank you! Props to you and your friend for trusting and helping each other out with such a taboo secret. I hoped this video could act as a conversation starter for people so I’m pleased to hear that as well.
@@thesolipsistcinema I shared it with two friends hoping to help inform and educate them a bit too, your video is the perfect excuse to bring up the convo. Amazing work. Tbh it's made me wanna check out a few of your other videos too
@NcYte707 That’s awesome to hear! If you liked this taboo topic here, I have a video essay talking about movies depicting rape scenes you might like? I like doing content in a blunt way that I don’t really see anyone else doing. Also my essay on Antinatalism is an esoteric topic you might like? If you do check them out please comment and tell me what you think? Even if it’s not all good news lol I appreciate constructive pushback.
Wow, congrats to your friend! It's a very scary thing to come out to another person in real life. I'm out to 17 people.
... I wonder if I'm your friend.
Hi there, how can I help?
This a amazingly well put video, the point is amazingly put though avoiding opinions it does an amazing job making it's points conside and Explaniable.
Just wished people were willing to go past their "Nuh Uh" feelings and engange.
The worst it can do is make you cringe in a bad way while still rechecking your points.
Please do watch it as if you are correct please do explain why your opposition is VERY important to understand something most likely been dehumanized for years.
It's an unfortunate aspect of the human condition no different from other paraphilias or personality disorders like psychopathy. These things must be treated/contained because they will always be with us.
I think you're a highly compassionate person who wants to see all sides of an issue - traits that society needs more of. I can't agree with much of what you said here, though.
Years ago I stumbled across a forum similar to this one and had the same thoughts -- if they aren't hurting children they aren't monsters, right?
Maybe not everyone with pedophilic thoughts is evil or a bad person. But I think it's still important to keep children away from people like this, when possible.
The other thing is you can't really understand someone by a few posts on an anonymous forum, especially when they have an agenda. The woman who said she loved a doll may not have even been a woman at all.
I've known too many abusive people who come across as kind, and can even be kind sometimes, yet still engage in cruel and evil shit.
Still love your channel : D. And I admit you still made some great points here.
@Anarcho-Communist895 Thanks for watching it. Yeah I’m mainly coming from a place of openness to understand and empathy for those who have unwanted thoughts. I think that pedophiles have to be more careful than adults given that children are a more vulnerable class of person, but I think there’s a lot of nuances in there people don’t think about. There are places where heterosexual people are around plenty of incredibly attractive people, adults who are mentally handicapped or physically dependent, and you don’t think that they are of a massive risk to offend against them; Simply because they have an attraction. So I think something else has to go wrong or an additional factor needs to be present for someone to actually offend, the sexual attraction isn’t in and of itself representative of actions. And like I say in the essay, pedophiles aren’t the only ones who abuse kids, so for “normal” adults that do, again there’s an additional aspect of low impulsivity management, wanting of control, or sadism that is present. Not just the sexuality.
I think it’s interesting that if there is an instance of a pedophile working with children as say a teacher, from the outside you can see them as just being great with the kids. But if a rumor spreads that they’re a pedophile, the same innocent behavior is turned sour, even if their actions haven’t changed at all.
And yeah it’s true that some of the responses could be lying, but I think that’s true for any aspect of life. People were surprised Ted Bundy was a serial killer because to his friends and family he was such a great guy. So it’s impossible to truly know what ANYBODY truly thinks or does. So this problem isn’t exclusive to pedophiles.
But anyways thanks for watching the channel and I hope you enjoy the other videos!
@@thesolipsistcinema Since anyone can be a risk to children, I think it's important to have rules anywhere you have adults taking care of children, like no child is alone with just one adult.
Idea for prevention is nice. and you do need to find a way to make people comfortable enough to admit they have the problem. BUT it felt like you were going a little too soft on them. Like the best example of that is the doll thing. Because there’s no credible study to ever show that indulging in an addiction in small increments will prevent them from doing it heavily. yes there are studies that show that when you’re trying to help someone get rid of addiction if you give less and less of the substance(behavior) overtime you are much more likely to stop them from relapsing compared to taking it all the way at once. BUT The big difference with that is they end up stopping altogether at some point. You need to find a way to tell people that what you’re thinking is bad very bad but just because you have the thought does it mean you’re bad unless you act upon it.
I really didn’t like how you were glorifying them when they didn’t fully act upon their thoughts. What’s being expected of them is a baseline for just living in society. It may be more difficult for them than others, but that doesn’t mean when they achieve it it’s something Metal worthy. And I’m not saying that it isn’t a good thing that they don’t do it or that there isn’t some level of praise that you need to give them for not doing it. after all positive reinforcement has shown to work really well for literally everything. It’s just dealing with addiction isn’t something metal worthy. And yes I think it’s safe to classified as an addiction comparable to gambling, alcoholism, and stealing. And for the three things I’ve listed we know that Peoples brains can you get wired to desperately and compulsively seek all of those things out. But one people don’t engage in those behaviors we don’t give them a metal because although it is very good it is not impressive. Everyone Hass to control them self to a certain extend. And although for some it’s much more difficult than others. I’m positive there are no Studies that show that shows worst cases of pedophilia are remotely comparable to some thing like extreme alcohol or drug addiction. You’re not a hero for doing not doing a bad thing you’re compulsively wanting to do, you’re just showing self control which is something all people should and due to a certain extent.
@Cobra701 Those studies to get rid of addictive behavior, would be for things outside of a sexuality that you got accustomed to doing, not an unchangeable aspect of who you are. For information relating to pedophilia, specific studies would have to be done and because it’s so taboo, they haven’t been on a wide scale. The idea with the doll is for them to have something to channel their sexual desires towards, not something to wean them off the idea of pedophilia. (Like I said in the video, there’s no indicators that one can get rid of a sexual proclivity like pedophilia).
I wouldn’t say I glorified non offending pedophiles, but it is extremely impressive to not act on a desire as natural and impulsive as sexuality. For me, I couldn’t imagine never watching porn because of how deeply unethical the content is, or having to risk prison in doing so. The level of impressiveness in denying oneself those desires of course does vary. For pedophiles that don’t want to act on their sexuality because it’s wrong and accept that, it’s admirable but not as much so as someone who has unchosen thoughts and impulses to actually manipulate a way into abusing a real child. In that case it would be even more impressive that they don’t act on the stronger urges, and yeah I think that will power should be encouraged and identified so people know it’s possible.
Yes it’s a baseline cultural norm to not sexually abuse children, but if you have the unchosen sexual attraction, I think it takes strength to not act on it.
As someone who doesn’t have those particular urges, you can’t really relate to how it would feel to have them, because to you they aren’t desirable to you in anyway right? So you’d have to replace that example with some other sexual aspect in your life and then imagine trying to live without that.
Really sit and think about what it would be like to have an unethical sexual proclivity…. So much of human life and interaction revolves around sex. So imagine not fully relating to anyone else and having to hide your thoughts. Maybe even feeling guilty every time a thought pops into your head that you didn’t choose to have. Left unchecked that would be agonizing.
I think it’s hyperbole to literally want to give a pedophile a medal for not offending, but I nevertheless think it’s impressive and see no harm in recognizing that.
I fully disagree with the idea that sexual preference is a defining feature of someone. and just because someone’s not a pedophile doesn’t mean they don’t show self-restraint most people have sexual attraction and most people that do don’t impulsively act upon it. we have the impulse to have sex with people but we don’t rape them even if we find them attractive. That’s why I think it’s inherently different The normal sexual preference. Every other form of sexual attraction although it’s difficult people can still resistant not have and not have sex. I Still thought it was good video and a great conversation starter
Oh and I just thought of this pedophilia is inherently harmful so it’s not fair to parent to any other sexual preference.
@cobra701 Yeah I make the point in my video showing how similar pedophilic urges and normal sexual urges are when talking about the assumption that all pedophiles what to offend. It’s a sexual urge, not unlike ours. But I still think it’s different because they have a limited way to act on their urges without it being illegal or unethical so those feelings build up more.
The normal sexual fantasies we have may be unrealistic, but we still have various ethical and legal ways to get off. I can easily find some milf porn that appeals to me in a second, but if I had to work way harder or break the law to find something I thought was attractive, that would be different. So pedophiles that deny themselves the same sexual gratification we do, I think that’s impressive.
And the whole point is that they have a sexual proclivity that is unethical to act upon, so they have a burden of never doing so that we don’t have.
I’m not sure what gave you the impression that a sexual preference is the defining feature of someone, maybe you were just mentioning it and not directing it towards me, but yeah there are other influences outside of direct sexual orientation that can cause people, pedophiles or not, to sexually abuse. I think I said that it was unchangeable so maybe you were referring to that, because from the limited research we do have, it isn’t possible to remove pedophilic urges. So I think once the thoughts manifest in someone, it’s highly unlikely to reverse.
Thanks for watching the video too and I’m glad it sparked thought.
Before you come into the video just to leave a comment saying no just read this.
The base idea here is that pedo’s can’t control their attraction for children, and as long as they don’t act on their attractions they shouldn’t be demonised as it’s out of their control and their doing everything they can to be normal and not predatory towards children.
no
@wellwoven2457 Why not?
Watch at least 3 minutes of the video so you can grasp the point.
@@cyphoah8748 being a pedophile isn't a fucking condition, it's a choice. an absolutely evil choice. pedophilia is evil, you should know this.
@wellwoven2457 How does one “choose” to be a pedophile? Did you choose your sexual attraction? Maybe you’re conflating pedophilia with sexual molestation but I’m wondering did you even watch any of the video whatsoever?
@@thesolipsistcinemathey are two different things pedophilia is when an adult is attracted to minors that can’t consent which is illegal. But a sexuality should be where two people who can consent love each other pedophilia is not love it’s one sided and is not ok
I wonder what the woman with the doll would do if she had a son instead of a daughter. Could she care for him without being sexual? Would that fulfill some of her wants to care for children?
@citysmall3427 The woman with the doll only had the female doll, not a real child. (As far as I know from her responses) Or unless you meant a boy doll instead of the female. I might need slight clarification of your question.
But yeah that is an interesting point, there’s a hypothesis called the Westermarck Effect that posits that if you are in close proximity to someone raised at an early age (parents, siblings etc) you’re less likely to be attracted to them. There’s of course exceptions to this, but I think in general from what we see in society, it is likely true but I haven’t looked into it very much yet.
From the response in the video, she’s likely lesbian so yeah maybe a boy child might not invoke any feelings of sexual attraction at all and maybe if she had a real daughter her maternal instincts would overcome any sexual feelings she might have, if any.
@@thesolipsistcinema yeah no i meant she would most likely, because shes both maternal and sexual with the girl doll, be both with a real daughter. But perhaps because she doesn't like boys, she could safely mother a son, without being sexual with him.
@citysmall3427 ah ok I get you. Then yeah we could hope the Westermarck effect may be accurate in that case, but if not that it would be a struggle for sure. In her other replies, one of which I used in the essay, she personally seems to recognize the harm it would cause so maybe she would be able to stop herself because of ethical concern.
But yeah unfortunately it is also true that there are plenty of cases where the parent (usually father) is the causer of the abuse to the child and is the one to film it and put it out there online so that is a concern too.
If you’re a pedophile and logically know you don’t want to offend, no matter what you’ll have that extra worry looming over you.
Near the end you said what I was actually thinking myself for years. It doesn't make sense that pedophiles which litterally means "child-lovers" would want to hurts children. Usually, most people who love someone don't want to hurt them.
Shame that you used music and scenes that convey a strong negative emotionnal response in viewers. Like you're saying that "many pedophiles never offended and are innocent" while showing dark scenes and creepy music, sending an emotionnal message that you're speaking about criminals and reinforcing the negative myths that every MAP is a criminal.
@loup9003 The subject is disturbing so while I don’t want the video to be so creepy you can’t watch, I do think the topic requires a serious tone. Especially when talking about those who do offend.
Showing dark scenes isn’t only saying that’s what all maps are (my entire dialog in the video says otherwise) but it’s showing what extremes we want to avoid, what a lot of maps are NOT doing, and showing how they are portrayed in media.
Just because something’s emotionally creepy doesn’t mean it’s reinforcing something negative. I myself find that the darkest things are often the most entertaining, therefore the most likely to stay with me after I’ve finished the content. So if I want my message to be heard, it has to penetrate people’s psyche and stay with them. My way will work for some, and not for others. So I think various methods are ultimately required. But seeing this topic discussed in this method hasn’t really been done, so I think it was necessary.
I don't really think they do deserve much sympathy. Most people want them to get help though, and only shit on them if they don't.
Getting help is good. It helps with self acceptance and leading a good life. But it can't change attractions.
@@James_the_mpa Cheers!
Not sure if I exactly understand what you mean
No absolutely not
Didn’t even watch the video huh?
Edit: I know this because you commented right after the video dropped lol
@@thesolipsistcinema I mean fair, social stigma is what makes showing different views so difficult because noone wants to bother listening to possible be wrong because in their mind they're absolutely right and theres is no way they could be wrong, even though the video does agree with some of their points while rightfully critizing others backing it up with evedince I'm too lazy to put in.
I'd learned if I am so confident in my idea why should I be fear another's opinion against it? if I am right what do I have to loose to listen to a new point?
the worse this video can probably do is annoy you in the sense you were proven right, showing yeah your point is strong but you seem to have not as I don't see in some detail on why you disagree with the video's point, its the same neejerk reaction I get when someone critizes something I love, even if they're right.
@alexcat6685 I love that point you made, if you’re confident in your views, then why be opposed to hearing others? What are you afraid of? It takes an amount of work and self examination that many are too lazy to do.
Like if my opinion is so wrong, then you should have no problem telling me why right? lol
@@thesolipsistcinemaYea but I also see why a person might not, there a kind similar reaction i have when someone insults something I like, making me want to do a thing i know is wrong because it doesn't add to the conversation or really enhance anything: "Nuh uh"
Because being wrong expecially in something you believed basically your life was right is proven to be wrong or more complex than you thought leading to confusion and Fear of the uknown.
The possibility what has been basically made fun of as predators watting to strike with vartions leading to lolicons who unlike pedophiles are not only not inhertly into children just into aspects that resemble that part but their focus is mainly on the fictional bodytype that can be decently dissered from reality due to exaguration of cuteness that can be sexually attractive I suppose similar to pedophiles howevet it's aspect Lolicons can actually control.
5000 year Loli is joked on so much because the media fails to really like explore that idea in any meaningful way so it comes as an excuse.
Anyway basically what I thought was bad isn't bad? I was bad for treating it so badly?
Yeah I get it losing sucks but it is important with risk being wrong so we can learn no matter how much it can hurt.
Currently I applying this to story I wanna do where with little knowlegde of pedophiles with the main "they had no control over that getting that impulse" created a character that challenges that mindset that badly understands.
He's a Demon who as a person is an amazing lad, though his confidence an humility is shit due to his one trait: he's a pedophile so intern he hides this fact from the family he connects with with, assuming they'll execute him as soon as they hear that.
Ontop of that using the older looking young girl thing to an oni loli, who's way older than him that he wants to date and Smash but doesn't know if he's into her because of her(body, mind and spirit) or just because she fufills just his fetish(Body).
Contrasting him with a villian who'd have the looks of young looking demon however unlike the one I just talked about, he isn't a pedophile, he's a sciopath who uses minors for his superiority complex unfortanlly sexually aswell.
This is for well what you said in the video Pedophilia and it's varitions is a sexual orientation, unlike basically all of them(Bi,G,L,A) it's an impulse they can't apply without hurting someone, that doesn't define them.
In way those sterotypes are basically like the Gay sterotypes, treating the aspect as the entire character completely ingoring all of who that person would actually be.
Due to my fear and lazyness I haven't gotten to designing this idea yet, but I suppose ideas do take a combination a thing I definitly applyied was, it was something with Grapes that an idea takes time sometimes alot of it to build up into one great one.
So does choose the rope when you can't apply it entirely.
Your video is trully amazing and has reminded me again of how future generations see something that past didn't or refused to due to stigma and refusal to try new things.
MAPs are valid, something i considered a Terrible response to a problem I didn't understand, now knowing it I see they and most likely too Zoophiles are valid to take in.
Just unlike the many they have a different problem that those think.
Aside from opinions the video is amazingly done, I don't know enough about video making but it did basically do a great job putting it's thoughts across respectifully through critism.
Nonce is the best word for you and the video’s creator, nauseatingly awful is another.
The thing is, the non offending pedos do consume pedo content eventually, where are real children involved, they are paying that industry with their money, their views. What about those tiktok moms that put their little girls in small skirts an make them do..''gymnatic'' moves. Tens of thousands saves on those videos, and those aren't for ''talent'''. Some of them watch lolicon content (anime styled drawn CP), which is drawn, but you have to understand that by watching that graphic content, that almost always contains r3pe, violence, reduces their morality by time, it blinds them and one day only watching it won't be enough. What then? I am not saying they should all be eliminated, but if there will every be a therapy session, a chemical/medical surgery that can sort of save them and the victims, then thats what should be used. What guarantee you have that those people won't offend? I would say this video is important to talk about, as i as well was interested to see what do people think about it. Hoping this video will get more popular so we can see more people speaking on this.
@rottenkittenparvo - I responded with a pretty lengthy reply that seems to not be showing up now, can you see it on your end?
Edit- yeah my response keeps getting deleted, I’m not sure why. I screenshot it this time so if you come back here looking for a reply maybe give it a day or two
@@thesolipsistcinema Alright!
@@thesolipsistcinema sorry your reply got deleted1! so annoying
@rottenkittenparvo. If you really want, you can email me and I’ll always respond there. I don’t know how these small responses are going through though. It’s not like my response is any more vulgar or word sensitive than others so I think it’s something with this thread.
Hey there! Virped Memeber #4 here. What makes kodocon erode someone's morals more than, say, CNC porn or violent media depicting serial killers or tortures (not even porn in this case, just stuff like Dexter or Hannibal)?
I use shota weekly, if not daily, no real people are involved, and so no one is hurt. My ethical convictions are as strong today as ever, if not stronger. I've never used actual CSEM, and I've never wanted to seek it out (possibly because illustrated stuff exists? I don't know. I haven't had to face that situation, and I hope I never have to).
No
Didn’t even watch the video huh?
Edit: I know this because you commented right after the video dropped
@@thesolipsistcinema I suppose you work hard enough man, copying the comment is good enough.
and sense the comment section is this low I can say basically what I said to S1eepy0w1 and Die66666(edgy name in mixed way)
not in a million years
@connorwright Why not?
@@thesolipsistcinema I love this response instead of an understandable "I understand, but if you'd even see the video you would have more than that", as it asks from the crowds point of view since while it is terrible they do degrade these people away from what they themselves are: human the worst people are like in you they always were it's just they choose to do that in the same way you could but chose not to.
makes you a better person but not more human, just an any human they choose terrible decisions one can't really justify, in same way we make mistakes done out of reasoning not justification sometimes.
treating them as what they aren't is a good way to let em get worse, as they'll become what you say they are, I learned that more from viewing this video.
Just as psychopaths are individuals with an illeness that makes living more difficult so are Minor attracted individuals.
Anyway Why do you choose to not view them as human?
@@alexcat6685 🤓
@@alexcat6685 hi jk
Sry
If you have to ask yourself this you do not belong in a modern society
@claraberry7806 How come?
No
@@thesolipsistcinemaif it was your child would you like the abuser to walk free ? If you would you need help I understand that if they don’t act on it that it’s not bad but that’s simply not true if you had a friend who masterbates to images of your child?
Would you still be friends with them
@@thesolipsistcinema if it was your own friend and they had feelings for child (if you have one) or a younger siblings would you sympathize with them?
Never
Did you even watch the video?
I watched this video to research crime psychology for a character I’m writing in a cosmic horror stop-motion piece about CSA and the victim complex of abusers. This video gave me insight into truly the most disgusting and horrific mindset that I’m honestly relieved I was struggling with it before. The fragility it must take to maintain such passiveness about the deepest of evils completely disregards the real victims of these thoughts. Physical assaults are not the only form of sexual violence, and justifying what it is to objectify a child unknown to you as a sexual object in your mind scape is still harming them. It reminds me of the last season of BoJack Horseman where he has the interview and is made aware for the first time in his life what power he has over women. How to really help people with these intrusive thoughts is make them fully aware of what abuse it is just to think that way, and that a gaze is as violating with such vision as the physical. Thank you, but no this is really fucked up. Sorry for not having enough empathy I guess
@clownofclowns444 Throughout the essay, multiple times I condemn offenders by calling their actions sick and disgusting, I say they should be punished, I share various stories of abuse and show methods that can help prevent them from happening, and I share honest insight into some offenders and pedophile’s thought process so we can better understand the problem. How many more times do I have to denounce immoral behavior for it to seem appropriate for you? I never denounced slavery in the essay, am I a racist until I specifically say that I’m not? Randomly saying I disagree with pedophilia over and over, something that like 99% of people already agree with, is just boring and repetitive. I’d rather spend time on nuanced and interesting aspects that don’t usually get talked about.
I’m not very familiar with Bojack but I would assume his misogynistic views manifest themselves in some form of actions he has? Intrusive thoughts like driving into oncoming traffic or kicking a baby are normal unwanted thoughts that can randomly occur in anybody. If someone cuts me off in traffic and I curse them out and imagine punches them, how have I harmed them in anyway whatsoever? The thought came and left from my head without them even being aware of its existence. So when I say to have pedophilic thoughts isn’t immoral, what I’m saying is that it’s not immoral to the person to have unwanted thoughts enter their mind. You can’t control what pops into your mind. Like I say, I continuously condemn if they acted on it, but thoughts are involuntary. I think repeated thoughts can shape your worldview in a negative way if you aren’t aware of them, but to do actual harm they have to manifest themselves in physical action or verbally. You can recognize a thought is morally wrong without personally condoning it being a reality. People without pedophilia have random violent or sexual thoughts about people all the time they don’t act on.
@@thesolipsistcinema I’m not calling anyone out or accusing anyone of anything. I just think that adults should be responsible for understanding how their thoughts affect others before anyone gets hurt. Having intrusive thoughts and identifying yourself as a pedophile are very different. Because telling a child how you think about people their age sexually is still abuse. I’m not saying everyone that has intrusive thoughts is an abuser either, but the knowledge of thoughts can be just as damaging to children experiencing csa. While mental health should always value the individual seeking help, people should still choose to put a child’s safety first
@@clownofclowns444 Normal pedophiles don't go around telling random kids that they're pedophiles.
12:38 delete your channel
@acekaptain It’s basic journalistic freedom of speech to show or say any thoughts that people have. Do you have any kind of rational response to the content presented? Or do you refuse to engage your mind in challenging topics.
@@thesolipsistcinemafor what the section is they seem to miss the very first second with the comedian, They didn't choose to have this problem it doesn't define them.
The same way kids from the hood aren't defined by their circustances, the same way blind people shouldn't be defined by their circustances.
That is why all of them deserve a healthy life, they really inhertly didn't do anything wrong.
Yet simply because they were cursed you want them hanged, that doesn't help prevent any them from their impulses it just makes them more deseraible as what else can they do? Have a world who refuses to see these people as people with a problem instead as parasites to eradicate?
This makes why the point of child abuse cases increasing or well more specific to sexual ones, because the people who are able to grow and improve aren't supported in that so they're left with the pain and when it gets bad enough no amount of sadness and guilt is gonna stop it.
Doesn't justify it ofcourse it doesn't but it also doesn't suddenly justify Murder, self defense sure thats reccomend thats a matter of survival.
But Murder thats done out of spite, let the demons to their demons in a way but please don't neglect any more to be one.
As always you are so thoughtful with your treatment of each issue you cover! I guess this falls more under the ephebophile umbrella, but I would love to see a follow-up looking into women who sexualize young boys, especially white women preying on boys of color. Because our society tends to infantilize white women and treat children of color, especially boys, as adult way before they are grown up, this corner of the MAP population is often downplayed or even celebrated as a kid "scoring" or a woman being "wooed" by a child. Kids are always going to have crushes on adults as part of their development, and it's the job of those adults to set boundaries. Popular media usually portrays an archetype of a white suburban dad preying on young boys or girls at sleepovers, but much like how the "stranger danger" straw man distracts from the very real fact that most abuse/rape is at the hands of a family member, the focus on just the Law & Order: SVU depiction of pedophiles distracts from the people who are most likely to follow through on their MAP thoughts, and downplays the very real harm that those situations cause.
@emmballs8376 Thanks for watching! That’s a really interesting aspect you brought up that even I haven’t given too much thought on. I do like films that explore the ephebophile aspect of things as well, like May December or Call Me By Your Name. Also what you mentioned about boys of color having to grow up fast is a very true dilemma.
I think usually the only time woman are depicted as the predators are when it’s in a comedic setting, not taken seriously. I always think of South Park demonstrating this when Kyle complains about the female teacher grooming his little brother and everyone is just like “nice”, or the “where was she when I was in school”. So sadly abuse is often overlooked or not taken seriously.
It’s also very true that most sexual abuse is from inside the home or close family friends, so yeah people’s perception of danger is very misguided.
I am about 95% done with a somewhat follow up essay to this one. I talk about the irreversible harm that misconceptions can have, using the 2012 movie The Hunt as an example. And this leads me to discussing topics around pedophiles working around children and other related stuff. So if I find the right angle or films, your suggestion could potentially have an impact on a future video, so thanks for the recommendation.
not even going to waste my time watching, fuck no
@die66666 then you have no idea what my opinions are, you can’t even articulate or rationalize your own beliefs, and so your opinion as of now is rather invalid.
@@thesolipsistcinemamf I tried to see your point but the way you talk about this topic is NOT it
@acekaptain You watched the entire video? And well my position prevents sexual abuse of children so what do you think I should have done differently?
Then I'll try summarizing it, pedophiles are as human as you and me its hard thing to believe due our enjoyment, making them be merely inhuman so we make the idea of supposedly a bad action as torture not seem so bad if it happens to someone we don't like, despite simply having a problem they had no control in obtaining just reacting.
But they are people who can potentially commit to impulses their mind just forces without control, in same way a person can have a impulse to binge eat despite their physical health, their way of thinking in attraction is basically the same as ours just ours can be actually done without inherently hurting another.
They're similar to psychopaths and more likely too sociopaths, individuals with an issue most of them try to overcome, not irredeemable monsters because you merely know what they can be more fueled to do, they Should be treated as the people who need help they're than the grime they aren't to prevent the moment to where we actually take them seriously in when they can't hold on any longer.
I will say that refusing to ever listen to another's point or going to atleast some detail on why shows less a moral standing and solidness that doesn't need an explanation and more like the ego can't take the idea of something it believed ever being more than it thought, now because of how many mental illness were treated back then and any solution out of the norm wasn't cared for leading to well the video too explains why not allowing a discussion i also incompetent,(it leads to things getting worse as the problem doesn't not get prevented espically when people refuse to try and understand)I Ask please atleast watch it as it does better justify it's title by brining a point on why Should we very well.
@@AceKaptainIs it because what he said is wrong? Or is it because it's not what you wanted to hear?
I'd say to make the differce please go into detail to back up your point.
Fuck no
If you are correct explain to me why treating people who happen to have kept unwillingly an attraction to minors after Growing up as people are inhertly inhuman?
@@alexcat6685 are you dumb
@@matthewmikulkahe is hahahah