amy schumer is one of those people where i'm like i can't believe y'all are going to make me defend someone i hate just because you're hating her for the wrong reasons
Oh yea, she is EXTREMELY zionist. Like, if it was not about zionism one would suspect she was on somebody’s payroll to defend such blatant evil behavior with the intensity she does.
This was a great video! It really captures why it's so difficult to criticize someone like Amy Schumer. It's happened before where I've expressed my dislike of her performativity only to get hug boxed by a bunch of guys going "Yeah and she's so fat and ugly". It's like people's inner misogyny is crouched in a corner, just waiting to feel justified enough to be unleashed. It really is depressing that the only way to be universally liked as a woman celerity is to be white, docile, and traditionally attractive. As a black queer man, I can relate, the gay community has some really nasty parallels. I love your work, thankyou for being so thorough and thoughtful!
Thank you so much, I appreciate that. And yes, you're absolutely right, I know men who are very leftist and progressive in so many areas but as soon as they're approached with a woman they don't like, even if it's for good reason, the misogyny comes out so quick and it's really disheartening.
They hate the perfect white ones too because they are untouchable ice queens, I’m pretty sure it’s just all women are hated. Men will find things they hate about all Women, especially if we are disagreeing with them.
They'll say "it's fine, this particular person deserves ridicule" as if loads of people who happen to share the same physical traits and have done nothing worth being judged for aren't hearing it. Amy Schumer doesn't care if you call her fat, but other people who might care what you think will learn what you think of people like them. I used to be pretty bad about this when I was younger. I needed to consciously unlearn it, and considering it from that perspective helped me.
THE narrator mentioned this in the video and said it was a misrepresentation.. But I remember reading the excerpt and thinking "WTAF?!".. I'm not about to read her whole book so I truly wonder how it could have been taken out of context.
I left a link from Vox in the sources that actually interviews some psychotherapists who specialize in CSA. I wish I hadn't glossed over that too much, what I meant to say was that there were people on Reddit who were misremembering what was said in the book and were overblowing some of the details because most people hadn't actually read the book, they just heard from other people online and then it went through this telephone machine where people started accusing her of doing things that weren't actually said in the book. I have her book and it's definitely weird and I feel she shouldn't have even put that in her book honestly, it was just widely inappropriate for her to mention that, and she clearly thought it was a fun normal story, when it wasn't.
Jokes on the people constantly comparing Amy Schumer to Miss Piggy for me, cause to me Miss Piggy is beautiful. 💖 ✨ Also Amy is definitely not ugly, she just doesn’t meet the very high beauty standards of Hollywood/Stand-up (except for the men) which is the space she occupies. This video is great & I’m gonna subscribe!
@@NJGuy1973Miss Piggy was very original I think- no joke-stealing vibes. And also- Miss Piggy didn't seem the type to support the m.urd3r of 16,000 kids
Amy Schumer is bargain bin Roseanne Barr. She similarly was posing as a feminist at this point in her career. In time the Fox News crowd will gladly accept Amy just as they did Roseanne. She just needs to be 10% more racist.
Which is funny cause I loved old Roseanne in the original run of the sitcom and I actually found her to be really funny and likable in that show. But yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what ends up happening to Amy in the future
Great analysis! I only ever knew bits and pieces about these two women before this video, which are now much better contextualized. I really agree with your point about how we've done so much work redeeming women maligned in the 90s and 00s over the last years, but somehow never apply that to women currently in the ire of the public. Still blows my mind that Free Britney and the reevaluation of Monica Lewinsky took place basically simultaneously with the complete and undeserved evisceration of Amber Heard And yeah, as you say. There's valid criticism to both women, and many other people, but it will get lost in a sea of misogyny, and somehow we need to get better at removing the latter so the former can be addressed, at the same time as it would be nice if celebrities with haters didn't use those to ignore valid things their fans are saying
I really can’t stand all the hate Amber Heard gets. Because she wasn’t the perfect victim, then she couldn’t be a victim. No one is perfect, but I absolutely believe she was abused and deserved justice that she never got (and probably never will). Also, I feel bad for Winona because she spiraled down right after her relationship with Depp but she’s maintained that he is a great person. I wish she could get some justice too and not feel she has to hide behind a bland pr statement. But, after what happened to Heard, I don’t blame her for staying silent.
I always greatly appreciate the viewpoints of the people from different backgrounds than myself... I never want to fall into the trap of assuming racism doesn't exist simply because I don't experience it for myself... . I viewed Lena Dunham for years as an enlightened feminist, but recent evidence is definitely changing my view. Thank you for your video!
Fantastic video, you covered the subject really well, I'm looking forward to bingeing the rest of your videos. I'd also recommend reading White Tear, Brown Scars by Ruby Hamad, which I especially appreciated as an Arab woman, because ours is not a perspective that has been addressed or even acknowledged much until very recently. Edit: I meant 'White Tears', not 'Tear'
I'll actually read it, so genuinely, thank you for the recommendation... I'm not Arab, I'm Māori, but I can still manage to research about, read about & care about what Arab women are going through... I'm not performative or entirely self-focused in regard to my activism for race equality. Or maybe I just have an enormous amount of internalized misogyny?
Ali, the amount of research and time this video analysis must’ve of taken, WOW, let me tell you, it was well worth it! This is like 2 million youtube channel video quality!! Can’t wait to watch you grow
So girls was supposed to be millennial sex and the city? Why! Millennials have sex and the city. Girls was so boring and gross. I watched it during covid and fell asleep for like a week. It was so so so boring.
Well, it was always being compared to that because it has a similar format as Sex and the city in that it’s centered around four women who are friends living in New York and dealing with relationship issues and stuff. I like sex and the city better but I didn’t hate Girls, though the last season sucked.
@LilShopofAli I personally feel good when I watch it. I woke up from my covid coma and found it was still on and was upset that I wasted the electricity streaming it. I just seems like there were other people's versions of New York that I wish were told instead. I would like a Sex and the City for millennials and just like that they gave me Girls.
@BellesView In girls or SitC? I want enough money to spend it all on shoes. I want those Sailor Moon Jimmy Choos! I feel like I already have exceeded past Girls because I know Photoshop. Not aspirational at all.
Also damn I had completely forgotten about Amy's instagram rants, I was so angry about them at the time because it felt like she was the epitome of "people who usually agree with what I think, even if just superficially" who suddenly were on the complete opposite side. I did not really known her and youve given a lot more context about her, but I still feel that adds a layer of complexity to the topic. The morality and enforced integrity of the left, compared to the right who embrace every person in their messed up pipeline, is a challenge in the "culture war". White feminism is still better than no feminism, I'd say, but where does that leave us? Who do you stand with on the picket line? If Amy Schumer suddenly starts defending trans rights, what do we do with all the other stuff when we kinda need anyone we can get there? You touched on it in this video and I would love to hear more of your thoughts on that topic. I struggle with it a lot
I appreciate your comment thank you, and yes, I empathize with that struggle. I did watch season 5 of Inside Amy Schumer and she does seem to support trans people and gay people from what I can gather. There were two sketches that somewhat addresses transphobia, although not in a groundbreaking way imo. I think that's admirable, considering the anti-trans rhetoric that is pervasive in our society right now, but Amy Schumer has a tendency to say very off-color and racist things, but thinks because she attended a BLM protest, that that somehow discounts her previous statements. I think the fact that she doesn't have that self-awareness is why people like her can be dangerous. If we're willing to sidestep glaring issues in peoples politics because they happen to support a group of marginalized people who are very vulnerable in our society, I feel we will continue to run into problems like this. And her openly platforming marginalized people, like she deliberately did in season 5 in a way that previous seasons did not do, is what helps Amy feel she doesn't need to learn anything or grow. That "first they came" post she made on IG I feel shows how she views solidarity. To me it showed her entire ass. She only supports other communities performatively not genuinely. I really don't like to think that way about people, I always try to see the best in people, but Amy just keeps disappointing me and continues to do things that don't surprise me. And one of her first instincts when faced with valid criticism is to lean on the "people just hate me because I'm a woman" card and while that is half true, it's very frustrating, especially when people like her are celebrated for being feminists.
I tried watching the work of both these women but I think I’m too old to get it or something. I just don’t find either one of them talented at what they’re supposed to be good at. Their public profiles both make them deeply unlikeable and unwatchable because I can’t separate it from the performance. They’re both so immature and just plain wrong on really important issues.
i had just finished the show kaos and decided to check aurora’s wikipedia page and found out about her story. it’s such an undeserving thing she had to go through. she’s really a great actress and i wish her nothing but success.
I absolutely love your videos I find your voice and way of speaking just perfect and so easy to get lost in it. Proud to be here since the begging and wishing more ppl find your channel!!!🫶🖤
The problem, most of the time they whine about white men, you guys were quiet about that. The moment they branch out against other people, now its a problem😂
Dunham's problem is not lack of self-awareness but excessive self-awareness. Everything is about her and her feelings. Her apologies are verbose and all about how the thing she is apologizing for impacted her.
I used to be a big defender of both! Kinda soap-boxish for Lena Dunham actually. When she "included" conservative Donald Glover as a FU to liberals in Girls, it was like "no...."
Where can I find your points about Alexa N? I don’t see any notes about her in your comments. I would like to read them because I have no idea what she had done.
It seems more of a class issue then a race issue here. I mean the race thing does come into play in certain things. But there are plenty of white feminist that aren't racist. This feels more like a detachment from real life due to a life of affluence. They are both from well to do families, nether one has had to ever reply for food stamps or save up to pay bills or basically try to struggle to make rent. These are truely out of touch people that it wouldnt matter their skin color in the end, this feels more of a class issue honestly. I won't deny that there aren't well-meaning white people that basically are hipster racist, and i like that term alot. I just think that the classism should also be addressed in subjects like this too
I agree. I might do a follow up video on things I forgot to discuss in this video. In my body positivity video there’s a section on choice feminism and girlboss feminism which are basically tied to white feminism, and I also share a clip from that same Matt Bernstein video on Amy Schumer, where Broey talks about how white feminism doesn’t necessarily just apply to white women who are feminists. I do think class is a huge part of it, but I don’t think race is totally separate because one of their biggest issues is their casual racism and I just don’t personally see how you can be a feminist and be casually racist and not think that that would have an impact on your politics and how you see the world. That’s why that joke she made about “all my black friend” was unintentionally hilarious because we know damn well she does not have any black friend(s) lol. But yes, I agree and I should’ve clarified that.
amy schumer is one of those people where i'm like i can't believe y'all are going to make me defend someone i hate just because you're hating her for the wrong reasons
Lol yes! That's how I felt too
@@LilShopofAli Jennifer Lawerence hated I get because of what she did in Hawaii and she defended zionist Amy Schumer.
the sims recreations are taking me out 😂
As someone who is so constantly surrounded by white people, "hipster racism" is an extremely helpful and validating term.
Well there's a solution to that
DIDNT Amy Schumer said racist things about Palestinian and support the ongoing genocide ?
Yes she did
yes, she is aggressively zionist and a genocide denier.
Oh yea, she is EXTREMELY zionist.
Like, if it was not about zionism one would suspect she was on somebody’s payroll to defend such blatant evil behavior with the intensity she does.
Extremely racist and extremely pro genocide.
* pretends to be shocked *
I’ve been a Bri Larson fan ever since I found out what exactly she did to make men so mad
This!
This was a great video! It really captures why it's so difficult to criticize someone like Amy Schumer. It's happened before where I've expressed my dislike of her performativity only to get hug boxed by a bunch of guys going "Yeah and she's so fat and ugly". It's like people's inner misogyny is crouched in a corner, just waiting to feel justified enough to be unleashed. It really is depressing that the only way to be universally liked as a woman celerity is to be white, docile, and traditionally attractive. As a black queer man, I can relate, the gay community has some really nasty parallels.
I love your work, thankyou for being so thorough and thoughtful!
Thank you so much, I appreciate that.
And yes, you're absolutely right, I know men who are very leftist and progressive in so many areas but as soon as they're approached with a woman they don't like, even if it's for good reason, the misogyny comes out so quick and it's really disheartening.
They hate the perfect white ones too because they are untouchable ice queens, I’m pretty sure it’s just all women are hated. Men will find things they hate about all Women, especially if we are disagreeing with them.
They'll say "it's fine, this particular person deserves ridicule" as if loads of people who happen to share the same physical traits and have done nothing worth being judged for aren't hearing it. Amy Schumer doesn't care if you call her fat, but other people who might care what you think will learn what you think of people like them.
I used to be pretty bad about this when I was younger. I needed to consciously unlearn it, and considering it from that perspective helped me.
Lena even proudly “joked” about sa’ing her sister for years in an autobiography book, and has since buried the evidence of her saying those things.
THE narrator mentioned this in the video and said it was a misrepresentation.. But I remember reading the excerpt and thinking "WTAF?!".. I'm not about to read her whole book so I truly wonder how it could have been taken out of context.
I left a link from Vox in the sources that actually interviews some psychotherapists who specialize in CSA. I wish I hadn't glossed over that too much, what I meant to say was that there were people on Reddit who were misremembering what was said in the book and were overblowing some of the details because most people hadn't actually read the book, they just heard from other people online and then it went through this telephone machine where people started accusing her of doing things that weren't actually said in the book. I have her book and it's definitely weird and I feel she shouldn't have even put that in her book honestly, it was just widely inappropriate for her to mention that, and she clearly thought it was a fun normal story, when it wasn't.
Might be the best video so far of a criminally underrated channel.
Came here to say this
Jokes on the people constantly comparing Amy Schumer to Miss Piggy for me, cause to me Miss Piggy is beautiful. 💖 ✨ Also Amy is definitely not ugly, she just doesn’t meet the very high beauty standards of Hollywood/Stand-up (except for the men) which is the space she occupies.
This video is great & I’m gonna subscribe!
Miss Piggy speaks French, knows karate, and has a healthy interspecies relationship. Does Amy Schumer?
@@NJGuy1973Miss Piggy was very original I think- no joke-stealing vibes. And also- Miss Piggy didn't seem the type to support the m.urd3r of 16,000 kids
Being compared to Miss Piggy should not be an insult
@@silvercheetah92it’s insulting to Miss Piggy, who has never posted racist, pro genocide content like Amy has
Miss piggy is also a domestic abuser
thank you for this video. Been feeling this way since Lena said Odell ignored her. 🙏🏾
Kurt likes to make women mad because they wouldn’t pay him any attention otherwise.
Amy Schumer is bargain bin Roseanne Barr. She similarly was posing as a feminist at this point in her career. In time the Fox News crowd will gladly accept Amy just as they did Roseanne. She just needs to be 10% more racist.
Which is funny cause I loved old Roseanne in the original run of the sitcom and I actually found her to be really funny and likable in that show. But yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what ends up happening to Amy in the future
Great analysis! I only ever knew bits and pieces about these two women before this video, which are now much better contextualized.
I really agree with your point about how we've done so much work redeeming women maligned in the 90s and 00s over the last years, but somehow never apply that to women currently in the ire of the public. Still blows my mind that Free Britney and the reevaluation of Monica Lewinsky took place basically simultaneously with the complete and undeserved evisceration of Amber Heard
And yeah, as you say. There's valid criticism to both women, and many other people, but it will get lost in a sea of misogyny, and somehow we need to get better at removing the latter so the former can be addressed, at the same time as it would be nice if celebrities with haters didn't use those to ignore valid things their fans are saying
Yes! To everything you said!
@@LilShopofAli Off topic I have been side eying Sydney Sweeney because of her post about her mom's 2022 birthday party.
I really can’t stand all the hate Amber Heard gets. Because she wasn’t the perfect victim, then she couldn’t be a victim. No one is perfect, but I absolutely believe she was abused and deserved justice that she never got (and probably never will).
Also, I feel bad for Winona because she spiraled down right after her relationship with Depp but she’s maintained that he is a great person. I wish she could get some justice too and not feel she has to hide behind a bland pr statement. But, after what happened to Heard, I don’t blame her for staying silent.
I always greatly appreciate the viewpoints of the people from different backgrounds than myself... I never want to fall into the trap of assuming racism doesn't exist simply because I don't experience it for myself... . I viewed Lena Dunham for years as an enlightened feminist, but recent evidence is definitely changing my view. Thank you for your video!
Fantastic video, you covered the subject really well, I'm looking forward to bingeing the rest of your videos.
I'd also recommend reading White Tear, Brown Scars by Ruby Hamad, which I especially appreciated as an Arab woman, because ours is not a perspective that has been addressed or even acknowledged much until very recently.
Edit: I meant 'White Tears', not 'Tear'
Thanks for the recommendation!
I'll actually read it, so genuinely, thank you for the recommendation... I'm not Arab, I'm Māori, but I can still manage to research about, read about & care about what Arab women are going through... I'm not performative or entirely self-focused in regard to my activism for race equality. Or maybe I just have an enormous amount of internalized misogyny?
Thank you for putting in the effort to handle this topic with the nuance it deserves! We are so lucky to get your content on here 🙂
This video is so incredibly well-made, I can’t believe you have so few followers! Your channel is gonna blow up, just you wait!!
Ali, the amount of research and time this video analysis must’ve of taken, WOW, let me tell you, it was well worth it! This is like 2 million youtube channel video quality!! Can’t wait to watch you grow
Oh my god, thank you so much! That's so kind!
Would love your full thoughts of Alexa Nicolas/Dan Schneider!!!
This was a helpful breakdown. Hope you get more subs.
You also have a nice voice and good choice of comentary background music imo.
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This was an excellent video. 💯
So girls was supposed to be millennial sex and the city?
Why! Millennials have sex and the city. Girls was so boring and gross. I watched it during covid and fell asleep for like a week. It was so so so boring.
Well, it was always being compared to that because it has a similar format as Sex and the city in that it’s centered around four women who are friends living in New York and dealing with relationship issues and stuff.
I like sex and the city better but I didn’t hate Girls, though the last season sucked.
@LilShopofAli I personally feel good when I watch it. I woke up from my covid coma and found it was still on and was upset that I wasted the electricity streaming it.
I just seems like there were other people's versions of New York that I wish were told instead. I would like a Sex and the City for millennials and just like that they gave me Girls.
I never liked the comparison to SATC. There was nothing fabulous or aspirational about their lifestyle or friendship.
@BellesView In girls or SitC? I want enough money to spend it all on shoes. I want those Sailor Moon Jimmy Choos!
I feel like I already have exceeded past Girls because I know Photoshop. Not aspirational at all.
@@Tiniestwombat Nothing fabulous or aspirational about Girls.
We need to talk about Diddy and Amy Schumer
Amy braged and made jokes about R a few people at a Freak Out.....
She loved Diddy, until.......
This is an amazing breakdown of a very frustrating issue, and I think it has given me some angles to adress sexist criticism of "flawed" women
Also damn I had completely forgotten about Amy's instagram rants, I was so angry about them at the time because it felt like she was the epitome of "people who usually agree with what I think, even if just superficially" who suddenly were on the complete opposite side. I did not really known her and youve given a lot more context about her, but I still feel that adds a layer of complexity to the topic. The morality and enforced integrity of the left, compared to the right who embrace every person in their messed up pipeline, is a challenge in the "culture war". White feminism is still better than no feminism, I'd say, but where does that leave us? Who do you stand with on the picket line? If Amy Schumer suddenly starts defending trans rights, what do we do with all the other stuff when we kinda need anyone we can get there? You touched on it in this video and I would love to hear more of your thoughts on that topic. I struggle with it a lot
I appreciate your comment thank you, and yes, I empathize with that struggle. I did watch season 5 of Inside Amy Schumer and she does seem to support trans people and gay people from what I can gather. There were two sketches that somewhat addresses transphobia, although not in a groundbreaking way imo. I think that's admirable, considering the anti-trans rhetoric that is pervasive in our society right now, but Amy Schumer has a tendency to say very off-color and racist things, but thinks because she attended a BLM protest, that that somehow discounts her previous statements. I think the fact that she doesn't have that self-awareness is why people like her can be dangerous. If we're willing to sidestep glaring issues in peoples politics because they happen to support a group of marginalized people who are very vulnerable in our society, I feel we will continue to run into problems like this. And her openly platforming marginalized people, like she deliberately did in season 5 in a way that previous seasons did not do, is what helps Amy feel she doesn't need to learn anything or grow.
That "first they came" post she made on IG I feel shows how she views solidarity. To me it showed her entire ass. She only supports other communities performatively not genuinely. I really don't like to think that way about people, I always try to see the best in people, but Amy just keeps disappointing me and continues to do things that don't surprise me. And one of her first instincts when faced with valid criticism is to lean on the "people just hate me because I'm a woman" card and while that is half true, it's very frustrating, especially when people like her are celebrated for being feminists.
I didn’t expect this to be so deep, you did a really amazing job talking about the nuances and underlying issues. Thank youuu👏
I tried watching the work of both these women but I think I’m too old to get it or something. I just don’t find either one of them talented at what they’re supposed to be good at. Their public profiles both make them deeply unlikeable and unwatchable because I can’t separate it from the performance. They’re both so immature and just plain wrong on really important issues.
i had just finished the show kaos and decided to check aurora’s wikipedia page and found out about her story. it’s such an undeserving thing she had to go through. she’s really a great actress and i wish her nothing but success.
I absolutely love your videos I find your voice and way of speaking just perfect and so easy to get lost in it. Proud to be here since the begging and wishing more ppl find your channel!!!🫶🖤
Great essay. Glad i found your channel!
great video. I remember going out and buying a SECOND COPY of her book back in the day 🤦🏼♀️
Really excellent analysis and commentary-thank you
The problem, most of the time they whine about white men, you guys were quiet about that. The moment they branch out against other people, now its a problem😂
Ahh yes…the poor white men. The most oppressed people in our country
_The Joy Luck Club_ was also a mainstream film (note big gap betweent the two, though).
Dunham's problem is not lack of self-awareness but excessive self-awareness. Everything is about her and her feelings. Her apologies are verbose and all about how the thing she is apologizing for impacted her.
I used to be a big defender of both! Kinda soap-boxish for Lena Dunham actually.
When she "included" conservative Donald Glover as a FU to liberals in Girls, it was like "no...."
I mostly agree with this. Not everything.
Damn I’m so glad the algorithm fed me this video, thank you for your work! So much to think about.
Where can I find your points about Alexa N? I don’t see any notes about her in your comments. I would like to read them because I have no idea what she had done.
It’s in my sources. The Patreon link in the description
Adam driver looks basic as h*ll too.
What did Alexa Nikolas do?
Codi Vore as well.
Very well done!
I don't understand the stuff about the younger sister and declaring it worldwide. Sounds like Lizzo
It seems more of a class issue then a race issue here. I mean the race thing does come into play in certain things. But there are plenty of white feminist that aren't racist. This feels more like a detachment from real life due to a life of affluence. They are both from well to do families, nether one has had to ever reply for food stamps or save up to pay bills or basically try to struggle to make rent. These are truely out of touch people that it wouldnt matter their skin color in the end, this feels more of a class issue honestly. I won't deny that there aren't well-meaning white people that basically are hipster racist, and i like that term alot. I just think that the classism should also be addressed in subjects like this too
I agree. I might do a follow up video on things I forgot to discuss in this video. In my body positivity video there’s a section on choice feminism and girlboss feminism which are basically tied to white feminism, and I also share a clip from that same Matt Bernstein video on Amy Schumer, where Broey talks about how white feminism doesn’t necessarily just apply to white women who are feminists.
I do think class is a huge part of it, but I don’t think race is totally separate because one of their biggest issues is their casual racism and I just don’t personally see how you can be a feminist and be casually racist and not think that that would have an impact on your politics and how you see the world. That’s why that joke she made about “all my black friend” was unintentionally hilarious because we know damn well she does not have any black friend(s) lol.
But yes, I agree and I should’ve clarified that.
As an aside - I highly recommend Tarana Burke's memoir Unbound. TW for descriptions of child SA and SA, generally.
I gasped!!! I have diagnosed bdd and I've always liked how Amy Schumer talked about her body.