The kids play GAMES of KILLING people constantly !!! How the hell is that a NORMAL way of raising our children ???? Get your heads out of your arses !!!!! You allow the kids to be raised in a world of "accepted violence" ... SOME of those kids are NOT going to know the difference between what has been allowed to learn and what's not allowed.
“My son Colt is not a monster.” Well he is now, and quite honestly you are too for sending this to your son’s victims. This was beyond inappropriate. This was an insult to injury.
Michigan is proud to be the first to hold parents responsible and we pray the country will continue to make parents responsible for their children getting weapons purchased by the parents and used to murder innocent students and teachers…the attorney who is voicing her opinion is so wrong…gun owners are responsible for weapons in their homes…period
I disagree with Shannon Smith. These parents who have been charged are all responsible for their son's by ignoring the signs of disturbing behaviors and the fact that they purchased the guns for their kids!!!
Yes, shame on someone asking for prayer. So "Christian" of you. While you may not care for her that doesn't mean she cannot ask for prayer and I highly think GOD would not judge her for doing so but, of course you can because like most "Christians" nowadays they are nasty of heart while being smug in their convictions.
@@rca6576asking her SONS victims to pray for HER son who SHE claims is NOT a monster was THE WRONG thing to ask!!! It’s one thing to say I’m praying for you please pray for us as well but a whole different thing to ask them to pray for HER son who she claims is NOT a monster even though he just slaughtered THIER innocent family members!! Most normal people would call someone who does that a monster!!
I cannot believe you gave that joke of an attorney any airtime. She is the lowest of the low, I wouldn’t let her represent my house plants. Absolute disgrace
As a teacher, it bothers me that she refers to the teachers who “gave their lives.” I am terrified of being killed at work. I would protect my students as best I could, but please don’t think I would ever “give my life.” I have my own mother and special-needs child who need me desperately. These teachers were murdered and ripped away from their students and families. They didn’t choose to give up their important lives.
I hated that part too! Teachers are paid to teach, not to possibly be in positions to give their life for someone else's child to the detriment of their own children and families, absolutely not.
I love the arm the teachers talking point...teachers can hardly budget supplies with the measley public school funding districts get. Also I don't know any teachers that devoted their life to teaching while also dreaming of being an armed guard at the same time, they don't get paid enough for what they do to begin with IMO.
Mama mama mama mama mama if you spent less time being a drug addict thief and more time being a loving parent the chances that this would have happened would have been so low. Parents need to be responsible at all times for their children or don't have them.
She says her son is thoughtful, intelligent, quiet and kind. Well he is also a liar and a murderer, he lied to the police about his online comments regarding a mass shooting, he lied to his father so he could have access to a weapon, that has no practical use in our society, he planned and carried out a mass shooting. If she put more of her efforts into be being a mother instead of a drug addict maybe this wouldn’t have happened because she would have been there for the shooter. People say don’t charge the parents! Are you serious his father was interviewed by the police, he says he continually talked to school counselors about the shooter and YET he buys him a AR-15!! Come on! He put the gun into that kids hands.
Too many times it’s not. Yet “responssible gun owners” seem to have all the rights that children should have to be free to attend school without fear. Apparently, “reaponsibke gun owners” are in the minority yet hold the most freedoms and rights. And No. If it were MY child who was killed, I wouldn’t give a damn about “reaponsible gun owners!” There shoild BE no gun owners!
I think she meant that it doesn’t make a difference if you convict the parents of the shooter, in the sense of stopping future incidents. In which I can agree if it’s something done without the parents involvement. In the crumbly case and in this case where the parent chose to get their son a weapon, they are involved so charging them are the right decision (imo) and can absolutely make a difference in the choices of other parents in the future- so she’s wrong
Bottom line the parents need to make sure the guns are locked up so that no one can get them. They also need to make sure their children are getting counseling, etc., for the children instead of ignoring that they need mental healthcare. The Crumley’s neglected their son. he begged for help and nobody helped him. Basically they made fun of him for asking for mental health. So yes, they did not do their job by taking care of their son. It has been said out there on the news that this boy actually asked for mental healthcare and was ignored. Bottom line again, “lock up those guns!”
Locking up those guns is not the answer as it solves half the problem. Because if a teenager wants to do something like this and can’t get access to them at home will source them from somewhere else. It’s called the info superhighway known as the internet.
Root of the problem = Dad not only bought a gun, but an AR 15, for 14 year old child who had serious mental health issues. That woman is too ridiculous for words.
@@laurenehamilton453 At the very least, no kid should have access to a gun without parental supervision. The parents are responsible because they provided and allowed free access to the gun .
How about you guys just passed the law stating that a parent cannot buy a child a gun. And if they do buy them a gun now they have broken the law and can be held accountable.
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"My son is not a monster" Lady, your kid MURDERED four people! Including 2 children! And he only killed those 4 because he was stopped! His intention was to kill many more! The mom is just as insane!
The Attorney is delusional, we as parents, especially at their ages, we have a responsibility! How about NOOOO GUNSS in your home when a child is on meds and anxious, depression, make your home safe….
I feel that if you raised a school shooter you’re probably at the very end of the bad parenting spectrum. Calling your kid “not a monster” after what he did just furthers this point.
At first I thought that the letter was nice gesture, but then she tries to defend her awful son and asks them to forgive him. I'm tired of everyone telling people they have to forgive people for their mistakes, but there are certain things that are unforgivable and murder is one of them. These poor parents do NOT have to forgive this kid. The mom could have just said I'm sorry and left out the excuses.
Dont have children? Really? How about it all starts with the parents! The dad is guilty. He bought the rifle and allowed his son access to it. Parents need to take responsibility!
What a terrible lawyer! If you are told that your son has murderous tendencies and you buy him a weapon, I’m sorry, but you are an accomplice. A responsible parent will look for counselling and/or therapy.
it seems to me that parents now a days want to be their child's friend before the hard work of being that child's parent !!!! Children have enough friends they need a parent !!!
Why are parents buying their children deadly weapons, knowing their children have mental health issues? It's the parents' fault. Hold them accountable! If Mom knew about the gun and did not protest, she's just as accountable.
Divorce, violent movies, violent video games, access to anything on the Internet, junk food, neglectful parents who refuse to take responsibility for their children, easy access to military weapons, a brain that has not developed. What could go wrong.
Exactly! I've written this...often. "Can we also take a look at those horrifically graphic video games? The ones that simulate blowing people's brains out in 4k and HD. Aren't most school shooters avid gamers, role playing hours of violence? "
The parents of the children and the teachers that lost their lives are grieving and the ignorant Michigan Attorney for the Crumbley’s is saying, “don’t have children”. What??? She has hers and offers no empathy for these families during a horrific time of lost. What a shame! That father is right where he belongs…. Along with Crumbley’s, In a jail cell!
Charging the parents WILL change things. She is wrong. That lawyer is a nut job. You aren’t damned if you do and damned if you don’t. You follow the laws and use COMMON SENSE You should be good Because I will tell you.. this lawyer, who tried to defend the Oxford parents, all those parents had to do was simply parent. They didn’t parent the shooter. They were too concerned about themselves. So she is spreading fear when there is no need.
She was an embarrassment for an attorney. YES THE CRUMBLY’S KNEW THEIR SON NEEDED HELP they should be held accountable. Colt Grays father bought his son a gun, an AR rifle at that, within a year after his son was questioned about making threats to shoot up a school. He threatened he would shoot it up in two or three years. His dad should be held accountable because he should’ve never bought him a gun! EVER!
Shannon appeared to be very young and inexperienced. I watched that whole trial. She was waaay in over her head. And her idea that convicting parents responsible for these shootings is so wrong in so many ways. The father, in both cases, bought their mentally unhealthy, unstable boys, a gun! What else do you want to hear? That’s it, Dad, you are going down with your kid.
Shannon still touting no responsibility!! Shannon needs to go back to representing chomos! Shannon is a disgrace and has never taken responsibility for her children.
IS this Shannon lawyer that oblivious of her own lack of intellect? Make a law that minors cannot own guns. Under 21, no gun!!! If the parents "give" a minor a gun, they are guilty. Just like the get- away driver in a robbery or a murder.
I can't believe this lawyer, it's crazy her saying it not going to make a difference. Parents are responsible you don't buy guns for kids. The difference between a kid having an accident There is a big difference a child having an accident as parent is in the car not responsible it's an accident (but the parent also say do not text or read text while driving) then a parent buying a child gun.
The mother lives in another state. Receives a text, “I’m sorry mom.” Calls the schools. Gives them a warning… She has NO fault. She tried according to everything we have so far. But, if my son does this.. He isn’t my baby. He’s a murderer.
not her fault? legally maybe not, but morally she is. ask yourself, why was she in another state? oh yeah divorced. a divorce can be traumatic to a 'kid', let alone her criminal past and other activities that traumatized the 'kid'. so in a way she did help in the monster creation, the murderer.
This lawyer didn't do a great job on the case she had. Parents absolutely should be held accountable. Without controls on guns at all levels nothing will change. At least charging parents makes them think twice about providing guns to their kids.
Im sorry when the parents buy the child a gun !00% parents should be charged. espeially when there not of age, and the kid clearly made threats. they should be charged even if the child has access to it. Lock the dam guns in a safe. I understand the right to bear arms. My son owns a gun, but when he has his son. The gun is locked up with a combination lock he only knows and the clip is locked up somewhere else. Its protecting your own child, but protecting everyone else also.
I totally agree, but I think it needs to be spelled out in its own law. With its own appropriate elements and punishment. I didn’t think it fit the law that Michigan convicted the Crumbleys under, even though of course I think what they did was so morally wrong & negligent.
The father didn't by a shot gun that is used for deer hunting he bought him an AR-15. And I'm a gun owner and I carry every day i live in Arizona were almost every one has a gun and Arizona is a gun sanctuary State.
I completely disagree. Everyone will get the message when more irresponsible parents are prosecuted for giving their kids weapons who then go and commit crimes of mass casualties.
Hey....here's a concept.....parents had the children....what about raising them with morals and integrity, and getting them help and support when need be, instead of giving them a gun!! What the heck? People are so stupid....would anyone let a baby play with a match. Common sense people
@@mariaburgess2757 I agree with you 200% . Unfortunately for the rest of society those parents who refuse to behave with common sense have now become a danger because of the reckless decisions they make regarding weapons. I can’t stand this attorney for the Crumbly’s she is obviously so thick headed that she fails to realize that she lost her case. I watched that trial and this attorney is still defending that argument that parents should not be held responsible for the actions of their dangerous minor children. The rest of society disagrees . To many school shootings could have been prevented by some adult in the picture who purchased a weapon and gave it to their psychopath kid. When their kids needed to be treated by a mental health professional. Like you said mental health treatment is necessary, guns are not.
Should **Parents** be pursued by LE in Similar situations such as this? My answer is **YES** but I also think it should be on a Case-By-Case basis. In this case, it’s CLEAR Negligence on the Father’s part for going out and Purchasing a Semi-Automatic weapon to give to his son for the purpose of “deer hunting” when he KNEW his child was the victim of bullying at school. Mister Gray actually SPOKE WITH and was WARNED BY the fbi concerning **troubling and Threatening things** that his son had previously said in Reference to that school.
Shannon Smith, how did you become a lawyer? Have you really stayed up many nights wondering what the answer is to help the issue of mass shootings? Because within five seconds I’ve come up with a brilliant 💡! How about we don’t buy children firearms?!? Brilliant, I am brilliant! I do not live in the United States, but I’m just praying that at some point the collective brains will say “our children matter more than our right to bear arms” Praying for everyone in the United States of America. 🙏🏼
this lawyer woman is an apologist for catastrophic parenting failures. of course it will make a difference if parents understand that they can be held responsible for their irresponsible parenting. get real.
Nah man. Parents are responsible. They BOUGHT him the gun smh. Like, how much more accountable can you be?! If they keep prosecuting parents, they will eventually wake up because so many of these parents seem to care more about themselves than their kids. So make it about them and maybe they'll change. Sad situation all around
The mother should NOT have written an open letter! Shows her extremely poor judgement.... it is clearly apologetic.....for her son only! And she has the nerve to ask for prayers for her son!
How classless. She is his Mother! She didn’t raise this boy. She should be in jail with Dad. She is a major part of the problem. If her boy was so smart, and sweet, and funny, then why didn’t she fight for him when he was being bullied? Why didn’t she get involved when the FBI investigated him? Why did she allow his Dad to buy him such a big, big gun? Why didn’t she get that child Mental Illness help? He cried out for it! For God’s sake. This bullshit letter is too little too late. She is as guilty as the Dad.
Pple need to quit using mental health as oh that made me do it bs. I have mental illness my husband has mental illness we don't go killing pple sorry phychopath is what his problem is
Poor kid never had a chance. They were told he had mental problems..was he treated? Prob “didn’t believe in” mental health problems. Lots of people are not that plugged in to getting help, they say “oh he will get over it” “stop being a baby, toughen up” there is a history there..they have lots of digging to do. My heart goes out to the families who lost their children and had the rest of them traumatized 😢through no fault of their own. And God bless the teachers who try to shield and protect the kids. My heart goes out to their families 🙏
Parents need to be charged and it will make a difference!!! They won’t be concerned about being the popular parent in a divorce and hopefully think clearer👍🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
This lawyer is awful and she proved it during the crumbley trial. The path is do not buy your child a firearm. Make certain that any and all firearms and ammo are locked up in the home.
Oh my goodness! I can't believe this crazy attorney! Don't have children is her advice to parents?? No, actively PARENT the minor children you have!! This includes, in this case, adhering to the agreement made with the police to lock up weapons. Instead, the father gifted his child one. The kid needed mental health care. The parent should have ensured he got it. Also, parents need to work with schools and TALK to their own kids. No excuses for the dad is OK here, IMO. I can see why the father was arrested, and I hope both father and son, if found guilty, are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Seriously, she's writing a letter to the public to appease people yet she says he's not a monster. If you feel compelled to write a letter to show your compassion and sympathy then the thing you SHOULD say; the thing the public would ACTUALLY want you to say is that he's a bad seed and IS a monster.
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The kids play GAMES of KILLING people constantly !!! How the hell is that a NORMAL way of raising our children ????
Get your heads out of your arses !!!!!
You allow the kids to be raised in a world of "accepted violence" ... SOME of those kids are NOT going to know the difference between what has been allowed to learn and what's not allowed.
I think it's unreal she asked the victims parents to pray for her son...
What else do we expect from a druggie absent failure of a mother
Me too. How tone deaf
Definitely not reading the room
Yeah, gives us a little glimpse into who she is as a person and a parent.
@@brandybiscoff9685yep me me me typical addict
The answer is not buying your child a gun. She says the parents are damned if they do and damned if they don't. She is wrong. Don't buy a child a gun.
...period!!
Agree!
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Especially a troubled bulled kid
Right? Her advice is “don’t have children”?? That’s like telling people not to have sex as a form of birth control. Not a fan of hers.
“My son Colt is not a monster.”
Well he is now, and quite honestly you are too for sending this to your son’s victims. This was beyond inappropriate. This was an insult to injury.
💯 it was a great letter until that. That just makes the apology invalid.
Couldn't agree more, Rubix. Absolutely disgusting!
@@RubixCubed3
I’m sorry -- but.
Those words are like oil & vinegar. Don’t mix.
@@RubixCubed3 we could not agree more. Such a slap on the face
Well said @rubixCubed3 , well said.
She really had the audacity to say “he’s not a monster & please pray for him” she needs a reality check 🤬🤬🤬
I think the check bounced...
@@kellyb.3600so 👍 true
He her son
Michigan is proud to be the first to hold parents responsible and we pray the country will continue to make parents responsible for their children getting weapons purchased by the parents and used to murder innocent students and teachers…the attorney who is voicing her opinion is so wrong…gun owners are responsible for weapons in their homes…period
that atty was an emotional mess during trial. She really isnt respected after that.
@@legendarymayormarylikestur8874 for sure !!
@@DianaSwi I certainly hope not. You don't charge parents for the stupidity of your child.
Don't speak for all Michigan.
Parents should be held accountable for their child’s actions, especially if they purchase the weapon that the child uses.
I disagree with Shannon Smith. These parents who have been charged are all responsible for their son's by ignoring the signs of disturbing behaviors and the fact that they purchased the guns for their kids!!!
Amen! Agree 💯
Prayer is never meant for harm. It’s asking God for healing.
Yes, shame on someone asking for prayer. So "Christian" of you. While you may not care for her that doesn't mean she cannot ask for prayer and I highly think GOD would not judge her for doing so but, of course you can because like most "Christians" nowadays they are nasty of heart while being smug in their convictions.
This lawyer is a DING BAT!!! I’ve been a paralegal for over 23yrs and she may be THE WORST I’ve ever heard especially on this topic!!
@@rca6576asking her SONS victims to pray for HER son who SHE claims is NOT a monster was THE WRONG thing to ask!!! It’s one thing to say I’m praying for you please pray for us as well but a whole different thing to ask them to pray for HER son who she claims is NOT a monster even though he just slaughtered THIER innocent family members!! Most normal people would call someone who does that a monster!!
I cannot believe you gave that joke of an attorney any airtime. She is the lowest of the low, I wouldn’t let her represent my house plants. Absolute disgrace
Two to three sentences in I had to stop it. I couldn't even listen to her.
😂😂😂😂
@@MPS626N yeah Court TV doesn’t prove to be a source for honest opinions
@@SamSolasdonSaolthen you missed her advice to adults “don’t have children” to avoid this happening to you. What an idiot
She was awful then and is awful now.
As a teacher, it bothers me that she refers to the teachers who “gave their lives.” I am terrified of being killed at work. I would protect my students as best I could, but please don’t think I would ever “give my life.” I have my own mother and special-needs child who need me desperately. These teachers were murdered and ripped away from their students and families. They didn’t choose to give up their important lives.
I hated that part too! Teachers are paid to teach, not to possibly be in positions to give their life for someone else's child to the detriment of their own children and families, absolutely not.
Right on
I love the arm the teachers talking point...teachers can hardly budget supplies with the measley public school funding districts get. Also I don't know any teachers that devoted their life to teaching while also dreaming of being an armed guard at the same time, they don't get paid enough for what they do to begin with IMO.
Mama mama mama mama mama if you spent less time being a drug addict thief and more time being a loving parent the chances that this would have happened would have been so low. Parents need to be responsible at all times for their children or don't have them.
Agree, 100%. First she left him behind to do drugs then she left him behind physically to go live somewhere else… She should be charged as well.
Shannon out here advocating for all the poor neglectful parents
she’s disgusting.
I would Not Say anything if I were Her! 😢 💔
100%
She’s not “mentally” well herself.
Exactly and she as his mother “FAILED” her child/children
I can't believe everything she said...wow completely insensitive to ask them to pray for her son...I can't believe this.
@@omadjourney or claiming the teachers “gave” their lives!
Shannon Smith is “wrong.”
In both cases, both sets of parents knew their child was a risk… This lawyer is ridiculous
She speaks like she’s a defense attorney. Parents ARE responsible and should be held accountable - especially in this case.
This lawyer was an obnoxious joke during the Crumbley mom trial. So there’s that.
💯. As soon as I heard her voice I got annoyed again.
remember her literally whining and stomping her feet at the judge?
she’s a sleeze.
Oh that’s who that is lol she was interesting
She says her son is thoughtful, intelligent, quiet and kind. Well he is also a liar and a murderer, he lied to the police about his online comments regarding a mass shooting, he lied to his father so he could have access to a weapon, that has no practical use in our society, he planned and carried out a mass shooting. If she put more of her efforts into be being a mother instead of a drug addict maybe this wouldn’t have happened because she would have been there for the shooter. People say don’t charge the parents! Are you serious his father was interviewed by the police, he says he continually talked to school counselors about the shooter and YET he buys him a AR-15!! Come on! He put the gun into that kids hands.
She is so wrong and her opinion is NOT that of responsible gun owners..
Too many times it’s not. Yet “responssible gun owners” seem to have all the rights that children should have to be free to attend school without fear. Apparently, “reaponsibke gun owners” are in the minority yet hold the most freedoms and rights. And No. If it were MY child who was killed, I wouldn’t give a damn about “reaponsible gun owners!” There shoild BE no gun owners!
Did she just say our justice system doesn't make a difference?!!! Crumbleys were held accountable for their role. That's our justice system.
I think she meant that it doesn’t make a difference if you convict the parents of the shooter, in the sense of stopping future incidents. In which I can agree if it’s something done without the parents involvement. In the crumbly case and in this case where the parent chose to get their son a weapon, they are involved so charging them are the right decision (imo) and can absolutely make a difference in the choices of other parents in the future- so she’s wrong
She left out "we, his parents are totally irresponsible idiots and should be held accountable"
Bottom line the parents need to make sure the guns are locked up so that no one can get them. They also need to make sure their children are getting counseling, etc., for the children instead of ignoring that they need mental healthcare. The Crumley’s neglected their son. he begged for help and nobody helped him. Basically they made fun of him for asking for mental health. So yes, they did not do their job by taking care of their son. It has been said out there on the news that this boy actually asked for mental healthcare and was ignored. Bottom line again, “lock up those guns!”
Locking up those guns is not the answer as it solves half the problem. Because if a teenager wants to do something like this and can’t get access to them at home will source them from somewhere else. It’s called the info superhighway known as the internet.
He lied about help me ,,he thought that would get him less time in prison..
Root of the problem = Dad not only bought a gun, but an AR 15, for 14 year old child who had serious mental health issues. That woman is too ridiculous for words.
Don't buy your kid a gun period..
“ don’t have children “. Dumbest answer ever.
This woman is ridiculous....she really doesn't know what she is talking about.
This lawyer is delusional. Parents are responsible for their children. Don't buy a minor a gun!!!
Exactly. Her argument didn’t make sense when she defended Crumbley, and it doesn’t make sense today either.
@@laurenehamilton453 At the very least, no kid should have access to a gun without parental supervision. The parents are responsible because they provided and allowed free access to the gun .
she really is.
How about you guys just passed the law stating that a parent cannot buy a child a gun. And if they do buy them a gun now they have broken the law and can be held accountable.
I totally disagree with this guest. Parents need to be held accountable for their negligence causing mass killings.
Agreed
Buying a gun is not the parents' responsibility? Are you kidding me? They bought the damn gun!!!
Our society’s IQ is declining!
tRump turned education into an enemy of the American people!!!
It benefits him to keep the masses uneducated.
He supports the ridiculous banning of books,
he tells his uneducated supporters that he loves them!
He wants, through Project 2025, to eradicate the Department of Education!!!
He spews ridiculous conspiracy theories which are easily debunked by a little logic and reasoning... 9th month baby executions? Really?😂
Your country is in deep trouble. I hope that you guys will elect
Ms. Harris who has a superb education and a stellar career,
and supports children and families, instead of an uneducated felon.
The world is watching, as we are affected by your politics.
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@carolinemorris7193 ok go support Israel
the absolute amount of ludicrous bs in government isn't helping either.
"My son is not a monster"
Lady, your kid MURDERED four people! Including 2 children! And he only killed those 4 because he was stopped! His intention was to kill many more! The mom is just as insane!
The Attorney is delusional, we as parents, especially at their ages, we have a responsibility! How about NOOOO GUNSS in your home when a child is on meds and anxious, depression, make your home safe….
She lost the crumbly case! She was not very good!
I feel that if you raised a school shooter you’re probably at the very end of the bad parenting spectrum. Calling your kid “not a monster” after what he did just furthers this point.
At first I thought that the letter was nice gesture, but then she tries to defend her awful son and asks them to forgive him. I'm tired of everyone telling people they have to forgive people for their mistakes, but there are certain things that are unforgivable and murder is one of them. These poor parents do NOT have to forgive this kid. The mom could have just said I'm sorry and left out the excuses.
Agreed, was ok at first but went off the rails at the end. Silly lady, they don't want to hear about your struggles or thoughts about your son.
Dont have children? Really? How about it all starts with the parents! The dad is guilty. He bought the rifle and allowed his son access to it.
Parents need to take responsibility!
They do know LEGALLY schools are required to allow at-risk students into a school. Parents are not REQUIRED to give their child access to a weapon.
What a terrible lawyer! If you are told that your son has murderous tendencies and you buy him a weapon, I’m sorry, but you are an accomplice. A responsible parent will look for counselling and/or therapy.
How about don't buy your kids a gun!!! Full stop! Where'd this lady come from???
Buying a child a gun is WRONG ….
Her answer is don’t have children? Shannon, should be ashamed of yourself.
it seems to me that parents now a days want to be their child's friend before the hard work of being that child's parent !!!! Children have enough friends they need a parent !!!
So this lady wants the schools responsible and not the parents? Thats what it sounds like she is saying ...
Why are parents buying their children deadly weapons, knowing their children have mental health issues? It's the parents' fault. Hold them accountable! If Mom knew about the gun and did not protest, she's just as accountable.
Divorce, violent movies, violent video games, access to anything on the Internet, junk food, neglectful parents who refuse to take responsibility for their children, easy access to military weapons, a brain that has not developed. What could go wrong.
You blame all that while skipping over being the most violent entitled country in the history of the world. Society has a huge impact on the youth
@@Mamarchistbut SOCIAL MEDIA,,, has a huge impression on youth.
Let’s not forget drugs mom loves some drugs, apparently!
I agree with you. However, there is no such thing as a "military weapon" unless you are referring to a 50 caliber rifle.
Exactly! I've written this...often.
"Can we also take a look at those horrifically graphic video games? The ones that simulate blowing people's brains out in 4k and HD. Aren't most school shooters avid gamers, role playing hours of violence? "
Kids should not have a gun period
The parents of the children and the teachers that lost their lives are grieving and the ignorant Michigan Attorney for the Crumbley’s is saying, “don’t have children”. What??? She has hers and offers no empathy for these families during a horrific time of lost. What a shame! That father is right where he belongs…. Along with Crumbley’s, In a jail cell!
Charging the parents WILL change things.
She is wrong.
That lawyer is a nut job. You aren’t damned if you do and damned if you don’t. You follow the laws and use COMMON SENSE
You should be good
Because I will tell you.. this lawyer, who tried to defend the Oxford parents, all those parents had to do was simply parent. They didn’t parent the shooter. They were too concerned about themselves.
So she is spreading fear when there is no need.
she’s milking on the fear there already is.
That's exactly why her client was found guilty!
She was an embarrassment for an attorney. YES THE CRUMBLY’S KNEW THEIR SON NEEDED HELP they should be held accountable.
Colt Grays father bought his son a gun, an AR rifle at that, within a year after his son was questioned about making threats to shoot up a school. He threatened he would shoot it up in two or three years. His dad should be held accountable because he should’ve never bought him a gun! EVER!
Shannon appeared to be very young and inexperienced. I watched that whole trial. She was waaay in over her head. And her idea that convicting parents responsible for these shootings is so wrong in so many ways. The father, in both cases, bought their mentally unhealthy, unstable boys, a gun! What else do you want to hear? That’s it, Dad, you are going down with your kid.
Sorry, can't watch this lawyer.
She’s a fool
Shannon still touting no responsibility!! Shannon needs to go back to representing chomos! Shannon is a disgrace and has never taken responsibility for her children.
IS this Shannon lawyer that oblivious of her own lack of intellect? Make a law that minors cannot own guns. Under 21, no gun!!! If the parents "give" a minor a gun, they are guilty. Just like the get- away driver in a robbery or a murder.
Shannon is the worst attorney and only wants her 15 minutes!
Most parents don't believe their children are capable of shooting up a school. They feel like they know them well enough to disregard red flags.
Dumbest take possible. Lord help you if you have kids.
So... taking zero accountability for the psychopath she's half responsible for raising. Cool.
I can't believe this lawyer, it's crazy her saying it not going to make a difference. Parents are responsible you don't buy guns for kids. The difference between a kid having an accident There is a big difference a child having an accident as parent is in the car not responsible it's an accident (but the parent also say do not text or read text while driving) then a parent buying a child gun.
This is unnecessary, selfish, and only serves to further traumatize the victims. She should just stay quiet.
So she want's to make schools like Fort Knox, no wonder she lost the Crumley case!
She's wrong!!
This lady is truly rubbing salt in their wounds
The mother lives in another state. Receives a text, “I’m sorry mom.” Calls the schools. Gives them a warning… She has NO fault. She tried according to everything we have so far. But, if my son does this.. He isn’t my baby. He’s a murderer.
not her fault? legally maybe not, but morally she is. ask yourself, why was she in another state? oh yeah divorced. a divorce can be traumatic to a 'kid', let alone her criminal past and other activities that traumatized the 'kid'. so in a way she did help in the monster creation, the murderer.
I don't like the mom's attitude of trying to look like the poor little victim in this case. Stop playing this pitiful game. Just keep quiet.
How dare she😖 Those families are grieving and she wants to tell them that her son is not a monster? 🤬
This lawyer didn't do a great job on the case she had. Parents absolutely should be held accountable. Without controls on guns at all levels nothing will change. At least charging parents makes them think twice about providing guns to their kids.
Don't let kids have GUNS PERIOD!!!
Im sorry when the parents buy the child a gun !00% parents should be charged. espeially when there not of age, and the kid clearly made threats. they should be charged even if the child has access to it. Lock the dam guns in a safe. I understand the right to bear arms. My son owns a gun, but when he has his son. The gun is locked up with a combination lock he only knows and the clip is locked up somewhere else. Its protecting your own child, but protecting everyone else also.
I totally agree, but I think it needs to be spelled out in its own law. With its own appropriate elements and punishment.
I didn’t think it fit the law that Michigan convicted the Crumbleys under, even though of course I think what they did was so morally wrong & negligent.
The father didn't by a shot gun that is used for deer hunting he bought him an AR-15. And I'm a gun owner and I carry every day i live in Arizona were almost every one has a gun and Arizona is a gun sanctuary State.
As a teacher of 23 years….. these forums that promote “ culture and violence” in schools need to be shut down permanently.
How dare she ask those victims families for prayers. The AUDACITY
I completely disagree. Everyone will get the message when more irresponsible parents are prosecuted for giving their kids weapons who then go and commit crimes of mass casualties.
Hey....here's a concept.....parents had the children....what about raising them with morals and integrity, and getting them help and support when need be, instead of giving them a gun!! What the heck? People are so stupid....would anyone let a baby play with a match. Common sense people
@@mariaburgess2757 I agree with you 200% . Unfortunately for the rest of society those parents who refuse to behave with common sense have now become a danger because of the reckless decisions they make regarding weapons. I can’t stand this attorney for the Crumbly’s she is obviously so thick headed that she fails to realize that she lost her case. I watched that trial and this attorney is still defending that argument that parents should not be held responsible for the actions of their dangerous minor children. The rest of society disagrees . To many school shootings could have been prevented by some adult in the picture who purchased a weapon and gave it to their psychopath kid. When their kids needed to be treated by a mental health professional. Like you said mental health treatment is necessary, guns are not.
Should **Parents** be pursued by LE in Similar situations such as this? My answer is **YES** but I also think it should be on a Case-By-Case basis. In this case, it’s CLEAR Negligence on the Father’s part for going out and Purchasing a Semi-Automatic weapon to give to his son for the purpose of “deer hunting” when he KNEW his child was the victim of bullying at school. Mister Gray actually SPOKE WITH and was WARNED BY the fbi concerning **troubling and Threatening things** that his son had previously said in Reference to that school.
Shannon Smith, how did you become a lawyer? Have you really stayed up many nights wondering what the answer is to help the issue of mass shootings? Because within five seconds I’ve come up with a brilliant 💡! How about we don’t buy children firearms?!? Brilliant, I am brilliant! I do not live in the United States, but I’m just praying that at some point the collective brains will say “our children matter more than our right to bear arms” Praying for everyone in the United States of America. 🙏🏼
I blame the parents for this. I've been a high school teacher for 32 years, and it's an empty apology. Get your life together or don't have kids.
Didn’t he give the kid a gun that’s meant to hunt humans?
this lawyer woman is an apologist for catastrophic parenting failures. of course it will make a difference if parents understand that they can be held responsible for their irresponsible parenting. get real.
Nah man. Parents are responsible. They BOUGHT him the gun smh. Like, how much more accountable can you be?! If they keep prosecuting parents, they will eventually wake up because so many of these parents seem to care more about themselves than their kids. So make it about them and maybe they'll change. Sad situation all around
parents of school shooters should look inward and NOT act like they are a victim. ever. EVER.
The mother should NOT have written an open letter! Shows her extremely poor judgement.... it is clearly apologetic.....for her son only! And she has the nerve to ask for prayers for her son!
All parents should be charged for any child under 18
Saying her kid is not s monster is an opinion she should have kept to herself.
How classless. She is his Mother! She didn’t raise this boy. She should be in jail with Dad. She is a major part of the problem. If her boy was so smart, and sweet, and funny, then why didn’t she fight for him when he was being bullied? Why didn’t she get involved when the FBI investigated him? Why did she allow his Dad to buy him such a big, big gun? Why didn’t she get that child Mental Illness help? He cried out for it! For God’s sake. This bullshit letter is too little too late. She is as guilty as the Dad.
The word she doesn't use to help solve the problem is RESPONSIBILITY.
she is very wrong. you dont buy your kid a gun !!!!
Mental health? Anyone gonna talk about that?
Right! And realizing kids need personalized attention
There is no hope for mental health issues in this country anymore. It needs real dedication for that to happen. Pretty sad.
Pple need to quit using mental health as oh that made me do it bs. I have mental illness my husband has mental illness we don't go killing pple sorry phychopath is what his problem is
@@kellyb.3600 Nah, kids are coddled far too much these days.
@@spacemanspliff7983 I do agree. Not taught a lot of life skills at all. Failure.
"He is not a Monster" I disagree with that!! That letter doesn't make me have any sympathy for you or your family!!
In this case, buying a kid a gun in the presence of mental illness is not wise. I understand hunting. But we have to protect the kids.
She is delusional!! How does she feel grief? Her son is still alive!!
And I’m sorry, Colt IS a Monster!!!👹
Poor kid never had a chance. They were told he had mental problems..was he treated? Prob “didn’t believe in” mental health problems. Lots of people are not that plugged in to getting help, they say “oh he will get over it” “stop being a baby, toughen up” there is a history there..they have lots of digging to do. My heart goes out to the families who lost their children and had the rest of them traumatized 😢through no fault of their own. And God bless the teachers who try to shield and protect the kids. My heart goes out to their families 🙏
He's rocking back/forth
Any child that rocks back/forth has problems.
Autism spectrum
Parents need to be charged and it will make a difference!!! They won’t be concerned about being the popular parent in a divorce and hopefully think clearer👍🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Common sense is needed! And our society has no handle on this.
My kids school doesn’t allow backpacks & they walk through metal detectors every morning & I thank God for that!
U wana be safe don’t have children?Please don’t have her on again she’s not wise at all.
That letter should never had been read. Outta line with those words, "Mother".
This lawyer is awful and she proved it during the crumbley trial. The path is do not buy your child a firearm. Make certain that any and all firearms and ammo are locked up in the home.
I think that the letter from the mother was inappropriate. She wrote that letter to make herself feel better not the families.
I am not going to waste my time to listen to this ; love Vinnie, but can't stand that unhinged attorney... See you next time Vinnie💞
Oh my goodness! I can't believe this crazy attorney! Don't have children is her advice to parents?? No, actively PARENT the minor children you have!! This includes, in this case, adhering to the agreement made with the police to lock up weapons. Instead, the father gifted his child one. The kid needed mental health care. The parent should have ensured he got it. Also, parents need to work with schools and TALK to their own kids. No excuses for the dad is OK here, IMO. I can see why the father was arrested, and I hope both father and son, if found guilty, are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Seriously, she's writing a letter to the public to appease people yet she says he's not a monster. If you feel compelled to write a letter to show your compassion and sympathy then the thing you SHOULD say; the thing the public would ACTUALLY want you to say is that he's a bad seed and IS a monster.
Stop blaming the school. He had JUST changed schools……. Most of the time we don’t have all of that child’s information until weeks later!!
Parents should be charged for actions of their minor children, he bought him a gun FFS!!! Same as Crumbly case...guilty!!!