i race in karts for the best part of 18 years now and there is absolutely no reason to lean into a corner in indoor karting the only thing this does is take away grip from the outside tires and exhaust you body core more than necessary. don‘t lean into corners, ALWAYS lean onto the outside tires IF needed.
This is interesting. What if you're going at a decent speed, so centrifugal force is pushing plenty of weight to the outside tire, giving it plenty of grip already. This would cause the inside tires to not lose traction, but have reduced traction, so theoretically wouldn't shifting weight to the inside evenly distribute better? Actually just thinking about it more right now, is it because there is so much force & weight & pressure on the outside tire for not just traction, but grip for turning, & acceleration/deceleration all at once? Because that outside tire is absorbing say 70% of the cornering grip, it needs the extra weight/pressure to increase grip, which in turn increases turning/accel/decel/etc? Maybe I'm over thinking it lol - I'm a motorcycle guy, so I know about shifting body weight to the inside racing line, but some like me also liked to put a lot of pressure on the outside footpeg to sort of 'counter balance' the lean angle to be able to better fine tune the trajectory & feel the rear grip, as well as rise up & accelerate out. Either way, fun stuff 👍🏻race safe 🏎️💨🏍️💨
Yeah there’s literally no reason to, ESPECIALLY if the track is slippery like he was saying which in that case outer grip is VITAL. If anything just don’t lean at all if you feel like leaning inside. But even then it’s best practice to just get into your muscle memory to lean to the outside even if it’s not beneficial. There’s no reason why you wouldn’t want grip on the outside in a corner
@@firstnameIastname That’s not really how centrifugal force works, it’s sort of counterintuitive, but the more force a tire applies to the ground, the greater the ground applies a force on it, meaning the closer it is to losing its limit of grip. However adding weight to the outer tires means you are increasing the normal force exerted from the tires onto the ground (and consequently from the ground onto the tires), and therefore increasing the force of friction, which increases the limit of grip. This way, you can take tighter and faster turns with a greater centrifugal force than if you had no weight to the outside. Think of it like this way. The grip of your tires, which is from the frictional force, is like a meter which you can fill up. The greater the centrifugal force, the more this meter fills and the greater the force of friction is. However, exceeding this meter results in a loss of grip. By increasing the normal force by leaning on the outside you are increasing the maximum capacity of the meter. In most forms of track racing it is optimal to stay at the limit, so having a greater frictional force will let you have a higher limit and therefore higher speeds/better handling if driving optimally.
@@bolson42 That's an interesting way of putting it! Thanks for the explanation, definitely given me food for thought, a bit more thought & understanding into it, and always appreciate the extra knowledge. After I've over-explained countersteering one too many times about motos to people, now whenever anybody asks I just say, "it's magic" 🪄🎉 lol
he doesnt give the best go karting advice, i know. source: i am the confirmed 8th best driver at indoor karting in the 70kg series in the entirety of finland.
This is actually effective, especially as a heavier driver. I found myself intentionally lunging in either direction to just get the back end loose around hairpins. It is a lot harder to stay clean, as being a bigger guy increases your braking distance, but the weight pays off more when you’re completely balanced, as the kart reacts more in line with your desired inputs instead of having to rely on how the kart was tuned. The extra 20 pounds does leave more to be desired though, as my lap times were about 1.5 seconds slower than the record time at my choice location.
you may notice some slower initial lap times because it takes longer to get going faster, but you will find your speeds to be more consistently faster as your added weight can be carried through the corners giving you an edge over lighter drivers... at least this is what i found :D
Sadly not true More Weight -> less acceleration and higher forces in corners limiting corner speeds. I'm quite light and often won against better but heavier drivers
@@YeeetMaster420 not exactly less corner speed but I get what you’re saying. However, that was my main point. There is a bit of a snowball effect, which can help and hurt your time, but as long as you stay clean and keep quick line for a much as possible, you can beat guys 50 pounds lighter, or at least match speed.
It's very very track depedent I'd say. At my local track I'm about 0.6 off of the lightweight lap record, and I'm about 60 kilos heavier than the kid that done it.
@@Kwameyoo idk bro I went last year and went a couple weeks back and was shocked at how badly they changed the track. I live in Uxbridge so I don’t often go to the reading one cuz it’s quite far, but the experience only caused it to become a disappointment. Well it was a different experience all in all but it used to be so much better.
It’s seems like it may have been a lot of time to be had if he wasn’t sliding.. I feel like the times weren’t far off from each other but your time was way slower then your regular pace on that track
I used a combination of tips I've learned from gaming and watching all sorts of racing, and through all that(including leaning) I was able to set the 2nd fastest time of the month on rather slow laps my first time karting indoors in my new area. It was a slippery track and leaning inside on the corners really helped. Thanks!
‘I rarely lean in indoor karts, just because it makes it harder to be clean with steering inputs’ Dante’s while driving style consists around not being clean with steering inputs, he is so jabby while steering, to the point where the steering wheel is almost always pointing straight, as he just goes from full lock to straight again almost immediately
@@Anksh0usRacing Nah, I’ve seen Dante racing on outdoor circuits (GYG, Whilton, e.t.c) irl, he has tailored his driving style to work like that. He’s actually really quick with it, but it’s why his hands are so high on the wheel. If you can make the same style work, keep going with it; but if you’re going into owners, it will not work
0.2 seconds is a lot though since he made a little mistake at the last corner loosing time. But over I’ll it made a pretty big change. If I’m wrong please correct me
@@shreedharmathur9581 I think the time doesn't matter for racing like this. Who ever wins wins which he didn't state so I will assume he lost. Achieving that 0.02seconds with leaning granted the other driver the win.
That 0.02 seconds could be the difference between qualifying for a competition and failing to. Racing in karts like these tend to be pretty close (unless there's a bad kart)
I noticed that too. Dante was just driving maximally defensively. Hugged the inside and slowed right down before exits so behind has no chance to build momentum difference to overtake down following straight. Someone forgot to tell him BIKC final is not until December?
Driving defensively to stop people passing always slows you (and your attacker) right down. Its only the wrong thing to do if there is someone else in front of you that is catcheable and you are giving up that possibility by driving defensively and fighting only for your current place. My brother and I always kept an agreement not to fight... and instead to work together to get to the front.... only then and when clear would we start attacking each other and have to drive defensively. Its the best approach to use if you can but you'd need to be at a very similar same level and in full agreement and also trust each other for it to work.
Having more traction on the inside tire is actually not good, since the axle is completely solid and has no differential, he should actually be leaning outside, since it puts more of the weight on the outside tire, which increases traction in corners, and if you have enough grip, might even lift the inside corner rear tire off the track entirely. That is a good thing since the karts don't have a differential, so the inside rear tire is spinning faster relative to the ground than the inside one, and making the kart turn worse. In outdoor karting, everyone leans to the outside, since in tight corners, lifting the inside tire is a LOT faster and when you lean outside, it also gets more grip on the outside rear tire, which means the kart turns faster.
I found (in outdoor carting at least) that leaning to the outside put more weight on and giving more grip on the outside rear wheel [let's be clear - you can't roll them] this also lifts weight off the inside rear and stops the wheels fighting each other/binding in tight corners, because they don't have a rear diff. so you actually want the inside rear to slip a little in tight corners.
This is mostly correct, just the not being able to roll them isnt absolutely correct, since once i managed to nearly roll one because i got the inside corner wheels around 50cm off the ground. Not even off a bump or anything, there was just a completely insane amount of grip.
In gas karts, I used to lean forward and lift slightly out of the seat, to take weight off of the rear and help the clutch engage at the exit of a corner
if the clutch wasnt slipping a bunch (which i doubt it was) that does nothing but slow you down. You should lean backwards and outside to gain more grip at the rear and turn faster.
Karts don't have a clutch. For physical reasons, it's important to lean slightly outward since a kart has a solid axle and no differential. Therefore, the inner tire must lift to build grip in the turns to navigate them faster. Otherwise, the inner tire would 'block' the axle.
They're obviously scrubbing so much that you could drive right around them. They lose an absurd amount of exit speed. Consider allowing a 3ish kart length gap and set up a corner to give you more exit and straight speed than normal. To do that, use up your gap to dive toward them while they scrub speed, allowing you to take a line that gives you a longer straight and MPH so you can drive by on the straight or dive by them on the next corner.
i rolled over doing donuts in my 212 swapped carter behind walmart by leaning outwards. no warning at all, the side of the kart just whipped up VIOLENTLY.
I complained one time when I was karting with some friends that Im heavier than everyone else so they have the advantage over me on the straights. One of the guys at the track heard me and told me to do this to get an advantage over everyone else in the turns and it mostly worked. Instantly improved my lap times.
You can lean on the outside of a turn to give the tire more load pushing it harder into the ground and acheving more traction, but you need to know what you are doing. Blud was lost on the racetrack
Leaning in a go-kart does a lot, the kart chassis should bend/flex to make up for the lack of suspension and depending on the brand it flexes different. Changing your center of gravity will change the surface contact areas on each tire allowing good drivers to get the kart to grip up and slide out when you need it to.
Leaning to the outside rear is almost always the best thing to do, except outside when it is rainy and there is no grip in the front, in which case you need to lean forwards and outside.
Leaning outside also takes stress away from your waist-muscles which makes it more comfortable to drive over longer distances/time instead of when you constantly working against the g-forces in outdoor-karting.
@@roadsidegarage69 totally depends on whether he wants more or less rear grip. If you want more grip lean inside, if you want it to rotate better, lean outside.
As someone who drove rotax and shifters, I generally only leaned on the inside. I guess it was just natural to me but I heard that leaning on the outside would put too much pressure on the outside rear tyre while inside would be somewhat balanced
Me and my mate used to go to this huge indoor track. The only indoor track I leaned at all in. You need it for a good time. You have to kick the back out a few times around that track
You should. And its not about extra pressure on the outside tire, but more about relieving pressure from the inside tire. Ideally you want the inside tire to get off the ground so there is no tention between the outside and inside tire because of different rolling speeds. Given the fact that rental karts are so much more heavy you should always lean to the outside.
My theory is that when leaning in you remove pressure from the outside and thus the rear axle drives slower, when leaning out the rear axle drives faster and depending on the corner either is better
You missed the explanation. Karts don't have a rear differential, so you lean outwards usually to make it a tricicle in the corners by lifting the inner back wheel off ground and stop it from introducing understear.
it doesn’t seem like every corner on this track requires leaning technique. But this tech is one of those things that require actually being on the track
When driving a gokart (or a car for that matter-) you naturally lean out. It’s great in outdoor karting but indoor karting can be different. I tried the new track in Södertälje (Sweden!) and it was great. Slippery, but very big and intense. Me being kind of underweight, I slid around a lot more than others. It was a bit of a disadvantage sometimes but I leaned in and it did help a lot.
If I'm indoor karting and someone else is on my ass, I know they have the faster kart. I usually purposely get on the outside corner and wave them around to pass me. There's no reason to keep someone else that has the faster kart from passing than artificially boosting your ego.
There's an electric indoor karting track in my home village, a friend and I go there to have some fun laps, but it's really grippy inside. It's one of the few where the traction is high on inside track
I think you can apply this to low speed corner exits which guves max traction under acceleration But for high speed corners if you lean in,itll cause the outside tire to skip loosing laptime
I think he is stopping the car because of drift. He turns fast, but loses speed. They do this a lot in rally, mostly in gravel. This way you can accelerate in a straight line. Dont know if thats an actual thing in karting though, not my speciality haha!
@@cocoalpes Yeah it isnt a thing in karting because the ground is a lot more grippy, you say they accelerate in a straight line, my guess is because of the uneven and bumpy surface you will lose speed whilst weaving
This track has polished concrete for floor and it's very very slippy, I know because I've raced on that surface it's really difficult. Also Cameron was avoiding contact with Dante
He's stopping (slowing) on the apex so the car behind can't get on the accelerator so early and get alongside before the next corner. Typically you're going to want to turn earlier if there's a faster car behind you so they can't get up the inside, but this compromises your line out of the corner and you can't get on the 'gas' so early. The car behind can take a wider line on entry, a later apex, and can get on the gas earlier and pass on the straight. By stopping on the apex, the driver behind can't accelerate early because you're in the way.
I'll lean in and out in the same corner normally leaning out on the entry to help the turn in and in on the exit for traction. Obviously sometimes I never lean in any direction and often I never do the same on consecutive laps. I don't know anything about indoor karts though. I've always been hopeless the odd time I've been indoors. I'm 42 and I've been racing cars and karts for over 25 years.
as an ex pro pilot I used to just hold my body straight and let weigh transfer do the rest, on wet or indoor karting however, leaning is cool to shave off a lil time
i remember this kind of technique when i read Capeta manga about racing driver, starting on a kart very poor condition and he did a lot of movement to compensate all the bad part of the kart...
Leaning outside always. If it’s slippery I lean to the outside and front. You basic setup front/rear you can adjust easily about the seat positioning. Normally and in special I like it if the front has more weight then my rear so I can play a little more with the positioning of the kart in corners in special when it’s slippery.
I drive outdoor karts but usually on very tight circuits where maintaining speed is super important. I always lean forward and into the turn if I’m trying to set a fast lap time but it gets pretty tiring pretty quick so I can usually only do it for a lap or 3 at a time
I like to lean, I’ve raced motorcycles before so it puts me in my comfort zone and with carts not necessarily bucket seats your gonna lean a little anyway. If I’m already prepared to lean with each corner I’m able to predict how the carts gonna act
@@gavingraham1439 he really doesnt need to be. I aint really known either, but even i know from experience that leaning to the outside helps almost half a second on a 22 second lap. And, i know i am fast since i have the 3rd fastest lap of all time around my local indoor go karting track.
Also there’s no rear differential so on outdoor tracks you want to try to get a tire in the air so that there is no load on the axle slowing accelerating
To me, if there was no time difference, its just because....it doesnt make any difference of doing that at a very slow speed. It does help with grip as you do it on fast turn or under the rain as its only slick tires, but here, thats really not necessary
I think it would be better to compare times and side by side footage, because you guys were swordfighting for position, but I think it should be about the same, basically up to skill
First off, the guy ahead isn't smooth. But anyway, maybe he's leaning forwards (and a little left in a left turn) to increase the grip at the front, it looks like his car is understeering (pushing in America) a lot. The purpose of leaning out in a corner is not to increase load on the outside rear tire, it's to unload the inside rear tyre so the engine doesn't bog down. It's a fixed rear axle, so both wheels turn at the same rate, but the inside tyre covers less distance than the outside one. The inside one is already unloaded, so leaning out takes more load off the inside tyre (which is rotating less than the ground it's on) to allow it to slip more with less friction, so the outside tyre drives the car forward. If the inside tyre had the friction and drive, the engine revs would be lower because it's covering less distance, and we all know that higher revs result in more acceleration.
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Oh my god Reading right? I am guessing they didn’t have the whole track open
@@Kevin_Tube1 no they redid the track so there is 2 seperate ones now
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so can i know why an outdoor kart lost a wheel like the wheel itself falls off
Get a shoei
I didn't know that. Funny enough, I do that naturally and I've only drove karts like 4 times. There is only an indoor one close to me.
Same😂
Wow ur such a good driver wow ur so gifted wow it’s almost like ur not and ur probably just getting the g for ce fk u up so stfu
Same here.
I think it’s natural to think to lean inward. Probably means people lean wrong on outdoor tracks
It’s probably because you just trying to counter the g forces
Dante vs cameron is wild 🔥
oh thats dante, i recognise the helmet now lol
I love the way anyone who does indoor karting a bit just instantly knows it’s Dante the helmet to do known the members at teamsport 😂😂
wow dante from devil may cry
Literally Mario Kart characters when you initiate a drift
Lmaooo he was doing the bounce everytime 😂
Yahoo
It's PS1's Crash Team Racing for me
That’s what I was thinking!
When you join an open lobby and find that one good driver
i race in karts for the best part of 18 years now and there is absolutely no reason to lean into a corner in indoor karting the only thing this does is take away grip from the outside tires and exhaust you body core more than necessary. don‘t lean into corners, ALWAYS lean onto the outside tires IF needed.
Yes, I just wrote a very similar comment. 👍
This is interesting. What if you're going at a decent speed, so centrifugal force is pushing plenty of weight to the outside tire, giving it plenty of grip already. This would cause the inside tires to not lose traction, but have reduced traction, so theoretically wouldn't shifting weight to the inside evenly distribute better?
Actually just thinking about it more right now, is it because there is so much force & weight & pressure on the outside tire for not just traction, but grip for turning, & acceleration/deceleration all at once? Because that outside tire is absorbing say 70% of the cornering grip, it needs the extra weight/pressure to increase grip, which in turn increases turning/accel/decel/etc?
Maybe I'm over thinking it lol - I'm a motorcycle guy, so I know about shifting body weight to the inside racing line, but some like me also liked to put a lot of pressure on the outside footpeg to sort of 'counter balance' the lean angle to be able to better fine tune the trajectory & feel the rear grip, as well as rise up & accelerate out.
Either way, fun stuff 👍🏻race safe 🏎️💨🏍️💨
Yeah there’s literally no reason to, ESPECIALLY if the track is slippery like he was saying which in that case outer grip is VITAL. If anything just don’t lean at all if you feel like leaning inside. But even then it’s best practice to just get into your muscle memory to lean to the outside even if it’s not beneficial. There’s no reason why you wouldn’t want grip on the outside in a corner
@@firstnameIastname
That’s not really how centrifugal force works, it’s sort of counterintuitive, but the more force a tire applies to the ground, the greater the ground applies a force on it, meaning the closer it is to losing its limit of grip. However adding weight to the outer tires means you are increasing the normal force exerted from the tires onto the ground (and consequently from the ground onto the tires), and therefore increasing the force of friction, which increases the limit of grip. This way, you can take tighter and faster turns with a greater centrifugal force than if you had no weight to the outside.
Think of it like this way. The grip of your tires, which is from the frictional force, is like a meter which you can fill up. The greater the centrifugal force, the more this meter fills and the greater the force of friction is. However, exceeding this meter results in a loss of grip. By increasing the normal force by leaning on the outside you are increasing the maximum capacity of the meter. In most forms of track racing it is optimal to stay at the limit, so having a greater frictional force will let you have a higher limit and therefore higher speeds/better handling if driving optimally.
@@bolson42 That's an interesting way of putting it! Thanks for the explanation, definitely given me food for thought, a bit more thought & understanding into it, and always appreciate the extra knowledge.
After I've over-explained countersteering one too many times about motos to people, now whenever anybody asks I just say, "it's magic" 🪄🎉 lol
"This is an advanced technique called the gas pedal..."
**insert a clever comment about traction here**
Does the gas petal use photosynthesis to release energy?
@@JamesBD05no this is a common misconception it actually uses chemosynthesis. This is why most gas pedals are found on the ocean floor
@@Mjt6429 ah, I'm not a car biologist so I didn't know that. Thanks! 👍
Lmfao😂😂😂
Cameron making up every possible reason he can to explain why he can’t overtake someone
Lmfao!
So true
he was literally sitting on the apex though
and he kept bumping into him again and again
People who block like that get shoved the hell out of the way. They block I'm unblocking lol.
Pretty normal to have similar laptimes if you're stuck behind him all the time haha
You give the best racing advice
Bro is a formula driver for a reason
he doesnt give the best go karting advice, i know.
source: i am the confirmed 8th best driver at indoor karting in the 70kg series in the entirety of finland.
@@KingslayerBeforeDawnhe's a 🤡
You spelled worst wrong
@@NipponNostalgicTV truely
This surface looks like one of those freshly polished floors that you’re almost guaranteed to fall on if you step on it
This is actually effective, especially as a heavier driver. I found myself intentionally lunging in either direction to just get the back end loose around hairpins. It is a lot harder to stay clean, as being a bigger guy increases your braking distance, but the weight pays off more when you’re completely balanced, as the kart reacts more in line with your desired inputs instead of having to rely on how the kart was tuned.
The extra 20 pounds does leave more to be desired though, as my lap times were about 1.5 seconds slower than the record time at my choice location.
you may notice some slower initial lap times because it takes longer to get going faster, but you will find your speeds to be more consistently faster as your added weight can be carried through the corners giving you an edge over lighter drivers... at least this is what i found :D
Sadly not true
More Weight -> less acceleration and higher forces in corners limiting corner speeds.
I'm quite light and often won against better but heavier drivers
@@YeeetMaster420 not exactly less corner speed but I get what you’re saying. However, that was my main point.
There is a bit of a snowball effect, which can help and hurt your time, but as long as you stay clean and keep quick line for a much as possible, you can beat guys 50 pounds lighter, or at least match speed.
It's very very track depedent I'd say. At my local track I'm about 0.6 off of the lightweight lap record, and I'm about 60 kilos heavier than the kid that done it.
@@levy2jz this is super true, especially on outdoor tracks.
Bro seemed to be keeping you from overtaking him so even though you were right behind him , he’d still win 😂
the old teamsport reading was so much better 😢
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Ye bro idk why tf they halved the track and changed the direction
@@manrajthind1471since when??
Yes bring back the petrol karts
@@Kwameyoo idk bro I went last year and went a couple weeks back and was shocked at how badly they changed the track. I live in Uxbridge so I don’t often go to the reading one cuz it’s quite far, but the experience only caused it to become a disappointment. Well it was a different experience all in all but it used to be so much better.
It’s seems like it may have been a lot of time to be had if he wasn’t sliding.. I feel like the times weren’t far off from each other but your time was way slower then your regular pace on that track
I used a combination of tips I've learned from gaming and watching all sorts of racing, and through all that(including leaning) I was able to set the 2nd fastest time of the month on rather slow laps my first time karting indoors in my new area.
It was a slippery track and leaning inside on the corners really helped. Thanks!
‘I rarely lean in indoor karts, just because it makes it harder to be clean with steering inputs’ Dante’s while driving style consists around not being clean with steering inputs, he is so jabby while steering, to the point where the steering wheel is almost always pointing straight, as he just goes from full lock to straight again almost immediately
My man’s steering be like an F1 car on a controller
That’s how I kart too when it’s slippery lol
It’s probably cause of the slippery track but yeah his steering isn’t very smooth. I gotta work on it too though so it’s not just him 😅
@@Anksh0usRacing Nah, I’ve seen Dante racing on outdoor circuits (GYG, Whilton, e.t.c) irl, he has tailored his driving style to work like that. He’s actually really quick with it, but it’s why his hands are so high on the wheel.
If you can make the same style work, keep going with it; but if you’re going into owners, it will not work
Imagine grabbing the dude by his shirt and pulling him off the kart LMAO
0.2 seconds is a lot though since he made a little mistake at the last corner loosing time. But over I’ll it made a pretty big change. If I’m wrong please correct me
Its not 0.2 its 0.02
@@shreedharmathur9581 I think the time doesn't matter for racing like this. Who ever wins wins which he didn't state so I will assume he lost. Achieving that 0.02seconds with leaning granted the other driver the win.
That 0.02 seconds could be the difference between qualifying for a competition and failing to. Racing in karts like these tend to be pretty close (unless there's a bad kart)
Losing*
You're wrong. Losing only has one O. Loose means something isnt tight. Lose means you didnt win
Your method was clearly faster but he just wasn't letting you past at all costs
I noticed that too. Dante was just driving maximally defensively. Hugged the inside and slowed right down before exits so behind has no chance to build momentum difference to overtake down following straight. Someone forgot to tell him BIKC final is not until December?
Driving defensively to stop people passing always slows you (and your attacker) right down.
Its only the wrong thing to do if there is someone else in front of you that is catcheable and you are giving up that possibility by driving defensively and fighting only for your current place.
My brother and I always kept an agreement not to fight... and instead to work together to get to the front.... only then and when clear would we start attacking each other and have to drive defensively. Its the best approach to use if you can but you'd need to be at a very similar same level and in full agreement and also trust each other for it to work.
@@paulhope3401 and if partner in front is marginally slower....bump draft him.
@@DrR1ppertoo slow and too low to draft
Go karts are so fun, tracks say that safety is their utmost priority and they inspect the track daily but the waivers you must sign are intense
Bro if I was on that track I wouldn't care about racing I'd be sliding everywhere trying to link the entire track 🤣
This really just seems like the better and friendly er version of f1
Yes. I lean in my pro outdoor racing kart. It helps put the tires on the ground more.
This is actually a way better explanation than the one in the video...
Depends on the corner. If it’s a corner that has a lot of g-force then lean but any other corner I just stay in the middle
Having more traction on the inside tire is actually not good, since the axle is completely solid and has no differential, he should actually be leaning outside, since it puts more of the weight on the outside tire, which increases traction in corners, and if you have enough grip, might even lift the inside corner rear tire off the track entirely. That is a good thing since the karts don't have a differential, so the inside rear tire is spinning faster relative to the ground than the inside one, and making the kart turn worse. In outdoor karting, everyone leans to the outside, since in tight corners, lifting the inside tire is a LOT faster and when you lean outside, it also gets more grip on the outside rear tire, which means the kart turns faster.
Finally a comment that makes sense
Thats so cool how both of you are so equally skilled with two pretty distinct techniques
They really arent though. The guy in front was keeping him trapped.
@@pyramidion5911 I assume he was driving defensively so he can retain his position.
I found (in outdoor carting at least) that leaning to the outside put more weight on and giving more grip on the outside rear wheel [let's be clear - you can't roll them] this also lifts weight off the inside rear and stops the wheels fighting each other/binding in tight corners, because they don't have a rear diff. so you actually want the inside rear to slip a little in tight corners.
This is mostly correct, just the not being able to roll them isnt absolutely correct, since once i managed to nearly roll one because i got the inside corner wheels around 50cm off the ground. Not even off a bump or anything, there was just a completely insane amount of grip.
@@roadsidegarage69 yeah, it was lazy writing: should have been - "their almost impossible to roll".
@@pdloder *they're almost impossible to roll
@@roadsidegarage69 😄 so they are😆
You seemed to be catching up on him pretty easily despite all his movements
He’s taking the piss
I do this with off road karts. It’s something I learnt from riding quads all the time and knowing how to not flip them over.
I got the 3rd fastest lap on this track when it was all open from floors 1-3
In gas karts, I used to lean forward and lift slightly out of the seat, to take weight off of the rear and help the clutch engage at the exit of a corner
If your hanging off the steering wheel it wont help much if you lift off but dont move forwards at the same time
if the clutch wasnt slipping a bunch (which i doubt it was) that does nothing but slow you down. You should lean backwards and outside to gain more grip at the rear and turn faster.
Karts don't have a clutch. For physical reasons, it's important to lean slightly outward since a kart has a solid axle and no differential. Therefore, the inner tire must lift to build grip in the turns to navigate them faster. Otherwise, the inner tire would 'block' the axle.
They're obviously scrubbing so much that you could drive right around them.
They lose an absurd amount of exit speed.
Consider allowing a 3ish kart length gap and set up a corner to give you more exit and straight speed than normal.
To do that, use up your gap to dive toward them while they scrub speed, allowing you to take a line that gives you a longer straight and MPH so you can drive by on the straight or dive by them on the next corner.
i rolled over doing donuts in my 212 swapped carter behind walmart by leaning outwards. no warning at all, the side of the kart just whipped up VIOLENTLY.
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skill issue ngl
He’s painfully slow in the corners it makes me want to cry
It doesn’t increase the contact patch, it just changes the mass on that contact patch.
??? More mass = more contact patch...
I complained one time when I was karting with some friends that Im heavier than everyone else so they have the advantage over me on the straights. One of the guys at the track heard me and told me to do this to get an advantage over everyone else in the turns and it mostly worked. Instantly improved my lap times.
You can lean on the outside of a turn to give the tire more load pushing it harder into the ground and acheving more traction, but you need to know what you are doing.
Blud was lost on the racetrack
Go to Sydney Australia and there is a place called hypercarting it’s indoor in an above ground car park thing and it’s awesome
I subbed btw
That’s not just any karting driver that’s the man himself Dante Dhillon
Leaning in a go-kart does a lot, the kart chassis should bend/flex to make up for the lack of suspension and depending on the brand it flexes different. Changing your center of gravity will change the surface contact areas on each tire allowing good drivers to get the kart to grip up and slide out when you need it to.
Leaning to the outside rear is almost always the best thing to do, except outside when it is rainy and there is no grip in the front, in which case you need to lean forwards and outside.
Leaning outside also takes stress away from your waist-muscles which makes it more comfortable to drive over longer distances/time instead of when you constantly working against the g-forces in outdoor-karting.
Buddy raced the BIKC champion from the 2 previous years.
When he does the hop’n’scoot he gained so much speed in the straight 😂 thought I was watching a ROCKET LEAGUE clip lmao
Sometimes leaning outside to ger grip on the outside tires also leads to smoother turns and more predictable turns in thight sections
Extra weight to the tires pushing their axis means more grip going through a corner. Physics can be cool when put through racing.
I always lean when I’m karting. It just feels natural for me. I love pushing karts to the edge of grip and holding the tightest line possible.
Do you lean in or out?
@@DrLongSchIong I usually lean into a corner like a bike.
@@LBKXiLoif you ever race on pavement you're probably going to want to do the opposite
@@rayzie8599 On any surface he should be doing the opposite.
@@roadsidegarage69 totally depends on whether he wants more or less rear grip. If you want more grip lean inside, if you want it to rotate better, lean outside.
As someone who drove rotax and shifters, I generally only leaned on the inside. I guess it was just natural to me but I heard that leaning on the outside would put too much pressure on the outside rear tyre while inside would be somewhat balanced
Me and my mate used to go to this huge indoor track. The only indoor track I leaned at all in. You need it for a good time. You have to kick the back out a few times around that track
I've always leaned outwards for more traction as i'd get more weight in the outside tires thats doing the majority of the work anyway :S
You should. And its not about extra pressure on the outside tire, but more about relieving pressure from the inside tire. Ideally you want the inside tire to get off the ground so there is no tention between the outside and inside tire because of different rolling speeds.
Given the fact that rental karts are so much more heavy you should always lean to the outside.
i just do this cause my core is weak af lol
I like to lean to get the back of the kart rotated around tighter corners.
My theory is that when leaning in you remove pressure from the outside and thus the rear axle drives slower, when leaning out the rear axle drives faster and depending on the corner either is better
On straights I always lean back to lift the front tires! 😄
my boy drifting his way damn
No one who doesn’t watch racing would never even realize anything like this. Things like just show how truly technical and skillful racing is.
bro used a triple negative that shit was so hard to read. better way of saying it “only people who watch racing would realise this….”
@@dom1702 lol I was so tired when I wrote this mb 😂
@@dom1702no that was pretty easy to understand bro
this dudes advice is complete and utter bullshit and you shouldn't listen to him
source: i am an actually really fast kart driver.
"I like your funny words magic man"
You missed the explanation. Karts don't have a rear differential, so you lean outwards usually to make it a tricicle in the corners by lifting the inner back wheel off ground and stop it from introducing understear.
it doesn’t seem like every corner on this track requires leaning technique. But this tech is one of those things that require actually being on the track
When driving a gokart (or a car for that matter-) you naturally lean out. It’s great in outdoor karting but indoor karting can be different.
I tried the new track in Södertälje (Sweden!) and it was great. Slippery, but very big and intense. Me being kind of underweight, I slid around a lot more than others. It was a bit of a disadvantage sometimes but I leaned in and it did help a lot.
Man I would be so annoyed by him like I’m trying to drive and he is stoping and cutting me off
teamsport reading used to be so much better i miss the old track full sending it round that one corner after the ramp full speed
If I'm indoor karting and someone else is on my ass, I know they have the faster kart. I usually purposely get on the outside corner and wave them around to pass me. There's no reason to keep someone else that has the faster kart from passing than artificially boosting your ego.
There's an electric indoor karting track in my home village, a friend and I go there to have some fun laps, but it's really grippy inside. It's one of the few where the traction is high on inside track
It also works with dirt kart racing but you have to make sure that you have a good area to drift so you dont spin someone out or you dont spin out
I think you can apply this to low speed corner exits which guves max traction under acceleration
But for high speed corners if you lean in,itll cause the outside tire to skip loosing laptime
Thats my local track ayyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grip will always be better then no grip, you could hear his tires squealing, you were faster.
Teamsport🤝Slippery Tracks
im sorry why is he basically stopping in the middle of the apex, also is that teamsport crawley or is it just similar?
I think he is stopping the car because of drift. He turns fast, but loses speed. They do this a lot in rally, mostly in gravel. This way you can accelerate in a straight line. Dont know if thats an actual thing in karting though, not my speciality haha!
@@cocoalpes Yeah it isnt a thing in karting because the ground is a lot more grippy, you say they accelerate in a straight line, my guess is because of the uneven and bumpy surface you will lose speed whilst weaving
This track has polished concrete for floor and it's very very slippy, I know because I've raced on that surface it's really difficult. Also Cameron was avoiding contact with Dante
He's stopping (slowing) on the apex so the car behind can't get on the accelerator so early and get alongside before the next corner.
Typically you're going to want to turn earlier if there's a faster car behind you so they can't get up the inside, but this compromises your line out of the corner and you can't get on the 'gas' so early. The car behind can take a wider line on entry, a later apex, and can get on the gas earlier and pass on the straight. By stopping on the apex, the driver behind can't accelerate early because you're in the way.
This is going to help me next Saturday.
The bottom floor is slippery but it's fine when you've been there since you've started
It's more of a mental thing, the same way you lean in a video game when your focused
I'll lean in and out in the same corner normally leaning out on the entry to help the turn in and in on the exit for traction. Obviously sometimes I never lean in any direction and often I never do the same on consecutive laps.
I don't know anything about indoor karts though. I've always been hopeless the odd time I've been indoors.
I'm 42 and I've been racing cars and karts for over 25 years.
as an ex pro pilot I used to just hold my body straight and let weigh transfer do the rest, on wet or indoor karting however, leaning is cool to shave off a lil time
Aka, go karting is the shuffle board of racing sports.
I grew up racing go karts on a circle track but i do that sometimes all depends on the track and the weight
i remember this kind of technique when i read Capeta manga about racing driver, starting on a kart very poor condition and he did a lot of movement to compensate all the bad part of the kart...
Leaning outside always. If it’s slippery I lean to the outside and front. You basic setup front/rear you can adjust easily about the seat positioning. Normally and in special I like it if the front has more weight then my rear so I can play a little more with the positioning of the kart in corners in special when it’s slippery.
TWO HUNDRETHS OF A SECOND APPART? That's WILD
I'm sure that most of these experienced Go Kart drivers have no idea about this thing. It is just how their intuition and experience hits them.
I drive outdoor karts but usually on very tight circuits where maintaining speed is super important. I always lean forward and into the turn if I’m trying to set a fast lap time but it gets pretty tiring pretty quick so I can usually only do it for a lap or 3 at a time
In outdoor karting is needed to do this in order to be competitive, but not in indoor
I like to lean, I’ve raced motorcycles before so it puts me in my comfort zone and with carts not necessarily bucket seats your gonna lean a little anyway. If I’m already prepared to lean with each corner I’m able to predict how the carts gonna act
I always lean to the inside, it got me fastest lap of the week at my local indoor track so it must've worked lol
Faster than all the other plebs who don't race either
@@NipponNostalgicTV that's funny since I was literally on the track with a guy that has a membership😅😂
@@NipponNostalgicTV I'm guessing you're some famous world class driver or something like that?😭
@@gavingraham1439 he really doesnt need to be. I aint really known either, but even i know from experience that leaning to the outside helps almost half a second on a 22 second lap.
And, i know i am fast since i have the 3rd fastest lap of all time around my local indoor go karting track.
Also there’s no rear differential so on outdoor tracks you want to try to get a tire in the air so that there is no load on the axle slowing accelerating
leaning is just something i do instinctively
It was taught to me to sit as still as possible
You know its power under the rain or tracks with no grips. It’s like helping the rear turning
To me, if there was no time difference, its just because....it doesnt make any difference of doing that at a very slow speed.
It does help with grip as you do it on fast turn or under the rain as its only slick tires, but here, thats really not necessary
Leaning on the outside on go karting (outside) is important
Okay, but that dude definitely looks like he saw it on YT five minutes before.
As a student of a father who has raced superbikes, it's indeed a really good technique. Just. Not in Formula 1 or a car. But karts are an example.
Superior racing line can't be trumped by superior handling, it's just a fact.
I think it would be better to compare times and side by side footage, because you guys were swordfighting for position, but I think it should be about the same, basically up to skill
Leaning to the inside and putting more pressure on the contact patch or the rear inside tyre would increase understeer not decrease it.
They look so funny doing the lean.
Dante my guy
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He's doing all that but the guy behind him is keeping up no problem. If anything slowed down by the guy in front.
he got that MGP graphic from the 2012-15 intro
First off, the guy ahead isn't smooth. But anyway, maybe he's leaning forwards (and a little left in a left turn) to increase the grip at the front, it looks like his car is understeering (pushing in America) a lot.
The purpose of leaning out in a corner is not to increase load on the outside rear tire, it's to unload the inside rear tyre so the engine doesn't bog down. It's a fixed rear axle, so both wheels turn at the same rate, but the inside tyre covers less distance than the outside one. The inside one is already unloaded, so leaning out takes more load off the inside tyre (which is rotating less than the ground it's on) to allow it to slip more with less friction, so the outside tyre drives the car forward. If the inside tyre had the friction and drive, the engine revs would be lower because it's covering less distance, and we all know that higher revs result in more acceleration.