H.P. Lovecraft (With
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Mama’s boy, virulent racist, and a flat-faced baby. It’s H.P. Lovecraft! Special episode with @zoe_bee @MainelyMandy @hootsyoutube and @caelanconrad
_____
Socials:
Instagram: @_RespectTheDead
Twitter: @_RespectTheDead
Patreon: / respectthedead
Subscribe: www.RespectTheD...
Hoot: / hootsontheweb @hootsyoutube
Mandy: / mainelymandy
Caelan: / caelanconrad // / caelanconrad
______
Listen:
Spotify: open.spotify.c...
Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple...
Google Podcasts: podcasts.googl...
Stitcher: www.stitcher.c...
TH-cam: / @respectthedeadpodcast
PocketCast: pca.st/1hh7t4h8
Podchaser: podchaser.com/...
IheartRadio: iheart.com/pod...
RSS: www.caelanconr...
![[UNCUT] “บอสณวัฒน์” ลากไส้!! ใครหนุนหลัง "แม่ตั๊ก ป๋าเบียร์" I คนดังนั่งเคลียร์ I 30 ก.ย. 67](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QlD7mU2KKRk/mqdefault.jpg)
![ลองสั่งของจากแอพ temu ถูกจริงหรอ?? ( part : 1/2 ) [โกงไหมครับ ep.89 ] | DOM](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RTcZSQTiDZw/mqdefault.jpg)
Hearing Zoe say fuck feels so forbidden 😭
There are some really beautifully written adaptations of some of Lovecraft's work by POC authors. "The Ballad of Black Tom" is one of my favorites.
Second the recommendation. High school teacher had us all read it and it was my favorite book among a number in that class
Thank you so much for having me on! It was so fun!! 💜💜💜
We loved having you!! Maybe we can do it again some day!
So great to see this collaboration. Love your content, Zoe!
Brilliant! 10/10 fricheks
You have an amazing voice Zoe
Stealing "Mommy's Womb - My Sarcophagus" for a metal song title. When it comes out I'll dedicate it to Caelan Conrad and Sarah Susan Suzie Sue Seudonym
Please send it to us
"Mommy's womb; my tomb" rhymes better.
there's a hierarchy to our fish ancestors and the lobsters are at the top, clearly
(who cares they all go into a bisque just as well)
Man, now I want lobster bisque...
Oh is it time to talk about the World's Weirdest Racist?
My favorite one (haven't watched yet don't know if they mention it) is when he wrote to a news paper about a mining strike where most of the employees are black saying more or less "Well yes they are more prone to violence but has anyone thought about treating them less shittily so they have less reason to be violent?". Dude really took racism and presented it as a reason to not be shitty to the people he was racist towards.
Also a fun one about Lovecraft, he was on record saying about cops that "Irish, Italian and even Black people may not like him but they leave mostly him alone, where as cops will go out of his way to mistreat him"
When I was in 9th grade, my English teacher had us write what was essentially Odyssey fun fiction. We had to write a resume and cover letter for a job we thought Odsessus would be good for. Not sure if that's normal but I thought it was interesting.
"Beach ploughing professional. Highest safety standards observed."
@@suitov haha, I went with bounty hunter at the time. My idea of Odysseus at the time was "is violent, will travel" and thought he'd be prefect for it.
@@suitov "Freelance Optometrist"?
In case you weren't aware, Winfield Scott (his dad's namesake) was the general who oversaw the genocide of the Cherokee, Seminole, Muscogee, Choctaw, and Chickasaw peoples that culminated in the Trail of Tears.
i have some strong feelings about lovecraft honestly. i feel like on some level his work is compelling _because_ he was an awful guy. like ... he otherizes basically everything outside the narrow category of respectable white people he considered 'civilized' but he also represented that other as a vast and inevitable horror that comes from beyond space and time to corrupt the very self into something unrecognizable which i find like, kinda flattering.
to me they read like the nightmares of colonialism and it's very easy to find joy in the way the 'reason' of the 'civilized' protagonists breaks down on contact with the unthinkable. for me, the idea of someone's mind being sanity being broken by contact with the other is like, connected to a society that demands you never imagine or empathize with other ways of living. also for some reason he made his flesh-eating ghoul creatures like really attractive in an extremely furry kind of way.
it also helps that he's dead, was quite miserable for the most part and now all his stuff is public domain anyway
Hey, I remember Zoe Bee being in Hoot's "your fav is problematic" video, how lovely!
As a sex-repulsed asexual myself, I sympathize on the ONE point where learning about sexual anatomy killed all sexual interest forever. XD
I got the sex talk when I was eight, and was so grossed out by the concepts I had been introduced to that I swore on the spot that I would never want sex. Sex Ed in school only intensified that repulsion. To me there really is no “separate channel” for sexual desire vs the intellectual knowledge of what sex entails, and I was honestly BAFFLED to learn that people do actually genuinely experience a desire to fuck. 😂 I thought it was all some socially constructed fad, like… pokemon cards. Then it took another few years to deconstruct the knee-jerk belief that sexual desire must be some kind of evolutionary psychology thing which meant people’s higher cognitive skills must have to switch off entirely when they got aroused.
I spent a few years just. Studying the whole concept of sex, smut, and porn because it was such an alien and gross concept to me. Sometimes I really wish I didn’t have that perspective, tbh; it (combined with a painfully Christian conservative upbringing) made me very judgmental of people for a long time when I shouldn’t have been. The amount of work I had to do to just not be a sex-negative asshole is so frustrating in hindsight.
Maybe the reason that his mom's description of him being more appropriate for a cat is that he kinda was like a moody cat. More neurotic cats often have hard time with strangers and change in general. He also thought cats were much better than dogs and wrote floridly about them
I did my undergraduate dissertation on Lovecraft, and holy moly, it was quite the rabbit hole to get into, so while I have enjoyed previous episodes of Respect the Dead, I was very excited when I got recommended this! Nice one, folks!
There's something about being queer and having a quick wit, the quick wit part passed me by 😢
Y'all are so good together. You should start a podcast.
As someone who plays the Fallout series, all I hear is the “lovecraftian entities” that they include in the game. Now I get the full story about the guy and I’m like “ew”. 😂 Loved the video!!
I saw Lovecraft and clicked so fast, and also i love the intro song... omg a goth metal cover? i need it
i have been DYING for this episode and you got ZOE BEE FOR IT??? incredible. i'm so happy 😭
It's really funny that Lovecraft would only eat canned foods because as you may recall in John Carpenter's "The Thing", because the incomprehensible horrifying alien entity infected & imitated all organic material, the antarctic scientists decided to protect themselves by only eating canned food.🤣
Given the trajectory of his politics, it kinda feels like he would have ended up a decent person if he hadn't died so young. Though that's definitely not enough to undo how much of a POS you have to be to name your cat what he did.
I believe it was his father who named the cat, Howard just didn't change their name because he believed it cruel. Which in most cases, fair. But in this case, He probably should have given them a name change.
He didn’t even name the cat his father did. A better question is how much of a POC does somebody have to be to have so much hate in their hate for a person they never met, know nothing personally about, and died 100 years ago? Like wtf is going on? Are we serious here?
@Byronic19134 how much of a person of colour?
@@RespecttheDeadPodcastHas to have meant POS instead, if not that’d be pretty wild. 😂
he did later on say he regretted his racist stances, wonder where he would have ended up had he lived longer.
Love being able to see the pictures ❤
The epitome of “good writer, bad person”
Zoe: "His father lost his mind from..."
Me: "Syphilis? Please let it be syphilis!"
Zoe: "...syphilis."
Me: 😁😁😁
Lovecraft is one of the people I appreciate for their work and despise for their actual self, and I also think it ABSOLUTELY matters that he was racist and homophobic and classist as fuck. You can’t “death of the author” the guy, the shits right there on the page goddamnit!
"nice try cancel vultures" is hilarious lol
22:32 Me getting diagnosed with woman when I realized I was trans:
This was another wonderfully funny episode, thank you very much to all of you 💜✨
(I will renounce this comment right before my death)
😊😊😊
H.P. Lovecraft with Zoe Bee?! Upvote, don't even need to watch the episode.
I wish she was a regular
I’ve been going through all the episodes recently, and I really wonder where Mandy went. They reference episodes she did (like Hitchcock) but I can’t find them? I’ve been enjoying the podcast a lot tho! I love sassy history shit talking!
I love OSP's quick look at Lovecraft (including breaking down a few of his more popular stories by which of his fears is showcased)... So when I saw that y'all did a deep dive into HPL? I squee'd so hard! Fantastic episode, this horrorhound thanks you!!!
The song does give ukulele youtuber apology
Our ukulele song came out first though.
For some reason the idea of Lovecraft denouncing racism in his last minutes is amusing to me, and makes me imagine like JKR in her deathbed in the distant future going "You know what, maybe trans women are women🤔" and then someone a couple generations from that point forward insisting she was a good person, actually, because ultimately she changed her mind.
On a more philosophical note, I wonder what it would actually take for a writer to in any degree correct their negative impact during their lifetime, considering the bad stuff would simply continue existing and still potentially have the same negative influence on readers. Obviously there are lots of people who dislike their previous work or think they might have been in the wrong about something they said, but that alone doesn't undo anything of course. I don't know.
This isn't going from bad to good, but I think Ursula Le Guin is a good example of an author who realised her earlier works were harmful and actively worked to fix that through the later works. Hers is specifically how patriarchal the earlier Earthsea books are. She's commented on how she didn't even realise how much she was upholding patriarchal ideals in the earlier books due to her social environment at the time. When she eventually realised it she made an active effort in later books both to not keep doing it and to rehabilitate the earlier works. This is why there's at least one story from the perspective of witches, to show that much of the way they're viewed (and the limitations to their power) is an result of active prejudice from wizards rather than witches being innately worse at magic (as I believe it heavily implied in the earlier books).
HP Lovecrafts story have provided millions of escapism from the stress of everyday life and helps people through depression and inspires.
This podcasts starts off calling him names, promoting bullying and name shaming. What do you think has more a negative impact?
@Byronic19134 HP lovecraft
@@RespecttheDeadPodcast Tbh I'm pretty scared of this whole "author had beliefs widely considered unacceptable now= their works are horrid and bad and negative and so on" thing.
@@headphonesaxolotl his views were considered unacceptable then, hope this helps!
The photo.
L to R
Mrs Ghost in waiting
Howard 'my parents wanted a girl' Lovecraft
and Wyatt Earp cosplayer.
This was so much fun to listen to. Liked, commented, and subscribeded. 10/10 fricheks
Huh. Lovecraft is giving very Autistic vibes, actually. The discalculia, the hyperglossia, the hatred of the outside, the samefoods, the asexuality, the unusually strident reflection of the societal views around him... It would honestly be tricky to come up with a more stereotypical description of an upper class White Autistic man a century ago.
Oh my gods, Caelan’s glasses are so cute.
I think it's a shame Lovecraft died when he did. I feel like he had a real chance to change for the better and maybe even had started on it near the end. If he'd lived and changed he could have written less racist stuff.
How is his work racist though? For years people have interpreted his works outside of a racist scope when they ignored he was racist (like most people at his time).
Yessss crossover of the century!! 🎉🎉🎉
Wholey shit. This was amazing. I'm in such mixed feelings of how much I find this man's life absurd vs entertaining.
While it’s not incorrect to cite Lovecraft’s experiences of in New York as an inspiration for The Call of Cthulhu, I feel it overlooks his story from the previous year, The Horror At Red Hook. It was about the evils of a cult of immigrant necromancers in the Red Hook neighborhood of Brooklyn. This location was, obviously, entirely unrelated to the fact Lovecraft was living in an apartment on the edge of Red Hook at the time.
shoutout to my main man professor HATEcraft, scooby doo's much less assholish parody of lovecraft. best character in mystery incorporated besides professor paracles (whats with all the professors?)
I'm sure I'm not the only one thats thought this, but does anyone else think 'The Color Out of Space' might just have been horror-themed 'Lud-In-The-Mist' fanfiction? The latter was published in 1926, the former 1927. This would be kind of ironic given the misogyny and the whole idea that Lovecraft's ideas were super original.
I do like his stories sometimes. Bad people make good art and whatnot.
Was Lovecraft misogynist, did he just suck at writing female characters? You can have the latter without the former.
Everyone in this video is very pretty.
That's it, that's the comment.
This is definitely one of those situations where I have to actively engage in death of the author.
I really enjoy the ideas and tropes of horror that have evolved out of Lovecraft's work, and I did enjoy reading some of this stories... but I definitely realize that a lot of his work is dripping with racisim that was extreme even for his day, like the Arthur Jermyn story.... plus one of the best video games of all time (Bloodborne) wouldn't exist without this man. So there's been a lot of amazing stuff that has evolved from him.
i had this on and my partner casually walks by as Zoe starts ripping into The Man Himself and "GASP ... Zoe Does Swearing :Œ" and immediately sat down to listen 😂
Robert E. Howard, in addition to being Lovecraft's bestie, invented Conan the Barbarian and seems to have been a good guy.
Fascinated by his relationship to Sarah Susan Suzie Sue Sussudio
Getting to see y'all react was great!!!
I was hoping for a live performance of the song.
Hey kids, reading is cringe!
Loving how Caelan connects every episode to the last show they binged.
Cleveland in those days was a pretty serious metropolis, like the 5th or 6th biggest city in the country. I mean, it still wasn't Chicago, but it was definitely a contender.
Of course there was the whole torso murders business...
As far as second-tier cities I've lived in go, I prefer Milwaukee. But I still have an affection for Cleveland.
The only time to say "you have to hand it to Hitler" is when you're talking to someone who's holding a live grenade standing next to Hitler.
I love this progression of comments as the episode goes on.
"Mommy's Womb, My Sarcohpagus" was funny, though I think "Mommy's Womb, My Tomb" rolls better
Does anyone else think Lovecraft's mum looked kinda like Julia Roberts?
Another episode I'm really looking forward to❤
I've been binging this podcast while at work and I would love to hear you guys cover Shinzo Abe. Just an absolutely garbage human.
Before I learned that Lovecraft was racist (I was a child) and read call of Cthulhu, I was like "damn,,, can I join the cult if I'm white?" Bc I straight up didn't get it. It did weird me out cause like, why weren't white people in the cults? Why did only some people know of this ancient horror if Cthulhu could reach out to anyone theoretically?
Then yeah I read some of his other stories (mostly about the person who married a literal ape, the weird albino monkey people, and dunwich horror) when it really hit.
MAGNIFICENT
When the Respect The Dead presenters go dark..... Zoe run!
Y’all should invite Liz and Steven from Your Dinosaurs are Wrong to talk about Roy Chapman Andrews or E.D. Cope and C.O. Marsh
God, Zoe is just so gorj it makes me angry. Such a damn queen. Cae looks so cute with the up-doo.
When you guys were talking about catfood, I was wondering if someone would mention the name of his cat. But I absolutely understand why it was left out.
oh i'm so chuffed to be watching this one
Lovecraft fan here I enjoyed the episode but I should point out that he didn't actually pick that epitaph it was selected from one of his letters. Just a sweet tribute to his love for his hometown. He didn't even get a headstone until a few years after he had died and fans raised money
I started listenting to other episodes! Really digging it. If you havent already, Immanuel Kant, Louis Althusser, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Augustus (the emperor) and Aristotle are all, in my humble opinion, potentially good targets.
I want NICE TRY CANCEL VULTURES on a t shirt
you all are so funny especially together!
Love Mandy's room.
Oh god I’m 30 seconds in and just remembered the name of Lovecraft’s cat oh nooo
Amazing episode!!
as a zoe bee viewer I'm so glad this got recommended to me, new fan of this channel!!!!
as someone who grew up in Chicago and miss it, Chicago has some really cool architecture. Love that city.
I saw HP love craft and stopped everything I was doing! This is the most important thing I'm watching today!
To be fair, what would a doctor in 1937 do about stomach cancer?
Absolutely love Queen Zoe Bee, holder of the good opinions. Purple prose is great and I'll live on this hill.
I love the song so much please link to the metal cover 🙏
omg yes, literacy led me to a great number of dubious beliefs, thank the gods for logic class
I find discourse around Lovecraft's awfulness so interesting.
Like on the one hand, yeah, he was 100% awful in his attitudes towards anyone who wasn't a white Anglo-Saxon like himself (at least until later life, when he kinda started mellowing out).
But on the other hand, he was clearly an exceptionally mentally troubled man who may or may not have been heavily on the autistic spectrum, and I can't help but wonder if he would've had less trash opinions had he been born in the modern day.
I hope Zoe returns for a lot more
As a native Clevelander, you're all correct, but you're not allowed to say it!
Case and point I don't live there anymore but also, staaaaaaahp. Lol
I love the song!
The man was a massive racist, yes. But it is dishonest to talk about that without mentioning how much of his work can easily be read in an anti-racist, anti patriarchal manner, especially The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, Color out of Space, The Rats in the Walls and a beloved short gem of mine The Temple.
I am not saying he was a good person, but he was a more complex and redeemable charactet than you are presenting him as.
Don't sweat it they don't care his books. All they care about is that he is still popular among a demographic that they hate.
I blame Caelan misgendering Lovecraft for every unironic "Estrogen could fix her" meme made abt him now.
Oh hey we have video, you love to see it!
I really hope Caelan missed Angus this time
Hoots should be a slayyyter impersonator
Loved this one. There's a video by this political streamer called President Sunday on Lovecraft and how his horror is not just racist, but driven by racist sentiment, like sublimated racism. You guys should check it out. Very interesting.
It's like, as an enjoyer of Lovecraft, his cosmic horror feels COOL rather than conveying the feelings that he probably intended. I think that experience is common, I don't think that enjoying Lovecraftian horror is a sign you're racist, but the opposite in fact: in fact, the reason you enjoy Lovecraft's imaginative creations is BECAUSE you don't share in his xenophobia. Step on me, fish mommy.
Listened on Spotify while waiting for my T injection at the doctors. Episode is over but I’m still waiting, at least the first hour went by fast..
You have to wait that long? That sucks. Hope you didn't have to wait much longer.
@@ichbinben. yeah it was the first day back after practice was closed for a week due to injury, so it was more than usual. Usually I show up at 7.45 and the practice is closed and I’m the first in line. But today there were already 20 people waiting.
1:00:08 Arrrgh ya got me, Cae!
I loved the doctor who reference.
So who DID get the grandfathers money???
Oh boy waiting for the ep on Anish Kapoor
Oh my god I have never had better timing. Love you all! Thanks for the smiles :3
Even if he slightly improved his views at the end, he never actually took back anything he had published. That's the final word.
How could he have?
@@lyokianhitchhiker It was supposedly over the last couple years of his life that he became maybe less racist. That's plenty of time for him to have published something saying he regretted his previous views. He never did, so that tells me he didn't really regret it, which means he didn't really change.
@@mirandarensberger6919 that or the change in views affected his behavior enough that the regret was implied, or what expression of regret there was wasn't in written form.
@@lyokianhitchhiker In that case, any expression of regret would have been less widely available and less permanent than all the racism that came before. As a result, his legacy is still that of a racist.
@@mirandarensberger6919 with the implied thing, I was saying that the positive influence that moving on from racist views had on him as a person was enough that people generally understood the regret to be genuine without him having to spell it out. Plus, maybe people who knew him personally would’ve been around him when he was directly his regret
HIS NAME WASN'T HIPPO POTAMUS???
Hypocrisy at it's finest. :DDDD
I'm sorry but you're all so pretty?!
i don't wanna downplay the xenophobic undertones in the 'color out of space', but that story is so funny when you remember its about a rural family seeing the color magenta for the first time
I expected "me as a baby"
Can’t stand the person, but making fun of their looks isn’t fair. He was wearing a gown. Babies wore white gowns for their baptisms.
CAELAN did you actually get THE Zoe Bee as a guest???
The answer is obviously yes. She's right there in the video and the title.
Prayers have been answered before I even thought to pray them with this episode
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
1:00:07 Haha. Brilliant