I just realised. In case you did not catch it the map link is in the description below. I will put it here as well just in case people miss it drive.google.com/file/d/1wzO0UKbDKEkWYhP3Gbab7swuXGJlHssQ/view As said in the Video the map is not perfect as I am one person, improvements to the map and Ai spawning will be added as more is learned. To get fish to spawn you need to be close to the water meaning you can spwan the fish not based on location but proximity to water. Which makes fish easier. Hence I stopped plotting the fish as much.
I know I give you a hard time a lot and mess around with you a lot but this was a genuinely great video. The editing, voice over, organization is perfect 💯 The commitment was insane. One of the few people I can confidently say I’m proud to be their friend. If anyone deserves to go down in Isle history I think we know who it is.
Fantastic video. Now, as a true islander i require it to be cheesed to oblivion where minimal effort or participation growth is achieved. (a Vulnona dropdown list where i pick what im playing and it tells me the most efficient afk growth spot where i get up and AI is waiting for me in front of my mouth.)
Oh also they don't have sleeping and waking AI anymore. Rather now it appears without players active in an area the server just deletes the AI and respawns it in again when players return. That's why it just shows "AI" and not "A-AI" and "S-AI" like it used to. There probably using a mix of event triggers to spawn them in now.
The isle dev team is a group of extremely skilled people who lack motivation or the push to finish the work they envision. What they do get out and functioning as intended is absolutely mesmerizing. I think they've matured a lot given info I've been told of the team 5 years ago. I might be the oddball but I have faith in them to continue to grow and complete the game in less than 10yrs lol
They’re amazing at design and concepts. It’s the implementation that lets the game down. Sometimes I feel like taking the isle devs and actually watching them play their game, bc sometimes I’m like are we even playing the same thing?? How are you not recognising that no one goes to swamp apart from crocs or that spawning plying for 40mins and starving is not fun lol. Or even getting into a game with the 100 player cap.
@@hippieyoda1993 i actually think thats the main issue with the isles devs. they clearly never play their own game. just spawning in and running around achieves nothing. they need to actually spend time using the systems they put in place so they know what works and what sucks.
Yet another amazing video, i have been watching your isle videos from the very beginning and no one else does as informative and educational videos about how things actually are in the game, people always assume things without testing and then spread misinformation and people take it as facts and then cry about the devs and the game being bad or not working but i personally love knowing how things actually work and why they work like they do in games and that information makes a huge difference in the case of the isle and that makes your isle videos the absolutely best out there and they are in their own league with no one coming even close.
I don’t play Isle much anymore (Still will from time to time, just not regularly) but hell, I still appreciate the effort and especially the motivation to do this either way. AI has been a huge source of annoyance for me and others, hell I was briefly watching people struggle to even document it and “AI hotspots” which at a certain point just felt ridiculous that they even had to do. I don’t know if you’ll see this, but even in the case you do, I’m not able to express how commendable this should be. Even if just for funny dinosaur game, as I said, the effort, motivation and perseverance for this is highly admirable. Amazing job, and thank you, I hope more people see and are able to use this to help them.
Great work!!!🎉🎉🎉 Will you do some kind of Herbivore food spawn location analysis in the future? Also the Patrol zone spawn area's analysis for every species?
@@DerSaeugling im ngl my guy. As a herbivore main the new food update has made it extremely easy to find food as a herbivore. Goto your patrol zone and you will get every diet you need spawned.
@korniestpatch yeah you're right, maybe he should do a map for the MZ and PZ for every species (like where exactly the Zones can spawn) and how many MZ and how many PZ there are for each species. Whatever analysis he will do I guess it will be awesome anyways 😂👈
that "now fuck off" was personal lol but seriously I think the biggest thing people should gleam from this is that mechanics and adding depth to the game play is so much more valuable than dinosaur releases alone. Whats really going to take this game farther is good game play and the most significant step towards that is the mechanics and game design.
Watching this video has made me feel validated as I've always been walking around the map to find ai and never gone hungry. Glad I was actually doing the right thing Ty for making this interesting video 👍
This would’ve been helpful yesterday, my little raptor was surviving on turtles lol. A problem I noticed is ai despawning when you’re chasing or actively fighting them, even when pinned by a raptor they can still despawn. This video is great, thanks for making it
The fun thing about all this is that, even though we get repeatedly told that none of the AI settings work at the moment, there is a quite stark difference between some community servers and official servers. I've visited certain lakes for example on different servers but at similar player counts, and on one server you'd get fish exclusively, on others you would see pairs of frogs every 10 minutes and nothing else. It's just utterly bizarre to me.
I have almost 200 hours in the game and not once have I seen a rabbit lol. I have found a whopping TWO chickens however. Sea turtles are also no longer a myth and more of a unicorn as I saw my first two the other day Edit: Compy is still a myth
@squishyparrotlets omg so true WHERE IS COMPI???? I haven't even thought about that. I used to be annoyed because they wouldn't leave my food alone but now I miss the little buggers
ill say it. the map needs to be about 40% smaller for the current 100 pop limit. Even now with random spawns people just kill themselves till they get a southwest spawn because you literally will see NO ONE. its sad.
My problem with Gateway is that it's pretty...... and that's it. There's no significant factor to going exploring as there are no landmarks whatsoever (I don't count human buildings with this), forests are just copy paste and the most interesting you're gonna find is the waterfall wall near north (I believe it's north). In Spiro we had a lot of random rock formations in forests, we had the little south pond, we had shallows, north west (as in the way the area looks, not as in "it was such a cool hotspotttt"), we had that one beach spot at south, the tree bridge at north and so so much more. I like Gateway's delta area, the new swamp pond north and Highlands but there's a severe lack of details. It's like they only half committed to the biomes they introduced which makes them bland.
It is amazing and tedious work. I can hear the madness in your voice and love the personality you put into it! I liked and subscribed. Maybe we can finally put some closure on all the myths and rumors... for now! Muahahaha! I have a feeling this video is going to blow up sooner rather than later. Nice job! Thanks for all the time you spent trying to cure ALL of our madness over figuring this out.
Very interesting video, well made. Im gonna have to rewatch this when i wake up. Did the numbers at the end of each AI code end up being useful? or u threw it out?
around 10:30 you mention being on a spot players can't get to. What's the spot? Can ptera land there and help spawn a bunch of ai for everyone else? What about a herrera who can climb.. ? Please share !
Amazing detail and effort. It just isn't the way it's currently working on any populated server. Like, I don't doubt the way he explains it is the way it's supposed to work. I just think it's highly dependent on the server itself. On NA5, I sat on the beach south of West Swamp (as my PZ), and nothing spawned. No other players nearby. This was after setting up camp as a herra at South Pond and never once seeing a chicken. Toads seemed to spawn fine, but was fought over by the local deino juvi. Went from a 30% stomach to dead starving without seeing a thing as I made my way across the southern coast line.
@ *That’s* where I’m interested. I love seeing the tech regardless though. Hope my comment didn’t come off as harsh. I just really wanna love this game, but the game itself makes it so hard to 😂.
@@ZeroT3K No worries mate. This is just the first step. Needed to get the word out there to get more support on the project. Just keep an eye out if anything suspicious happens.
@@TurkishD_lite I am curious though. When you say the server itself goes down the list. The spawn points themselves aren’t timed? It’s just a global timer that looks at everyone’s position and spawns accordingly? That’d explain why some areas end up dead. I’d imagine AI hits a maximum on certain servers and players at the lower end of the list just end up SOL.
@ZeroT3K You got it in one. When they lowered the AI count to help with optimisation it caused an issue where the first players get their AI and then it slows down. You have to imagine that as the player count increases the players who were there before still have AI. If they never leave the area and never find those AI. They are just stuck there. The AI despawns when you leave the area. Meaning there are loads of AI just stuck unfound. This is why the optimisation patch Amarok is working on is in my opinion more hype than any new playable. It will not only make the server perform better but allow for more stuff with AI.
Also, and I am sorry if this causes any emotional breakdowns, AI behavior seems to differ quite a lot between different patches. I remember distinctly how different AI was behaving back in may. So all this precious work might become completely useless next time Amarok sneezes on his keyboard.
Looking at this, I HOPE the devs have a look and use it to see where more AI is needed. For instance, am I right in seeing that there's... NO Elite fish in the SWAMPS!?
There are fish spawns in swamps it was just very finicky. To get fish to spawn you need to be close to the water meaning you can spwan the fish not based on location but proximity to water. Which makes fish easier. Hence I stopped plotting the fish as much. The issue with the AI right now is the amount of AI. In the future Amarok hopes to reincrease the amount of Ai without lagging the servers.
@@TurkishD_lite ok i logged in and went over to where the goats r meant to be and found 2 dead 1s. i walked away for a while and came back and nothing. i went further away and came back and still nothing. i tried walking across the map following roads and that didnt work either. i survived only because i found a dead pachy
@@EvilNecroid I am sorry to hear that you were had a hard time with the AI. I would say if you are planning to stay in an area it would be better to just take it slow and stay where you were. Spawning the Ai can be hard and the methods I have so far are not specific. Future work will come to try and solve some of these issues.
@EvilNecroid If you are on a low population sever I would say only a few minutes. With more and more people the spawns will be spread between more and more players. I would say for now the best bet is to head into areas with High AI and easy spawns like South plainsz highlands and delta.
Does having players in certain spaces effect the spawning of AI? For example if you trigger spawns by standing near cliffs. If there is another player by the cliffs around another spawn point does it not spawn the AI?
The best secret is that I missed quite a few spawns. Once I learned that Fish can be spawned in just by being near water I descided that it was not the most important thing to plot.
I would prefer AI be extant animals only. It's NOT fun trying to guess if I'm fighting something that's AI or not. It's what made me stop playing a lot of the battle royal games. It's not a minigame I'm interested in and I'm fully aware it's a game I'll be playing until the end of my life. sigh
I do not want to rain too much on Turks parade here but I am quite certain this whole experiment was pointless aside from the whole "getting a baseline" (for 1 player on the server). Add in 99 other players moving around the map and suddenly pretty much none of this is relevant because there has to obviously be some set limit to AI spawning on the server, otherwise there would be no point in changing the system to spawn them in based on player proximity over spawning them on the entire map all at the same time. I would also expect/assume that the server not only has a limit on the number of AI but that it will prioritize spawning certain AI over others as it closes in on that limit, specifically prioritizing the "value" AI, those that give as much food per AI as possible. GROUP of deer/goat/boar(afaik the game effectively handles the groups as 1 AI) (GROUP of?)TURTLES There are no groups of chickens/rabbits and spawning in a single chicken that takes up the same server resources as a group of 3-4 turtles/deer/goats/boars would not really make sense when the issue is that the server ideally would want MORE AI for people to EAT. In reverse it makes perfect sense to heavily prioritize spawning these larger AI to provide food for more players to eat and I think that is exactly what they do, hence the current Turtlepocalypse and chicken/rabbits being as rare or rarer than a unicorn. Before anyone points it out, yes frogs spawns and are somewhat common but I think they have kinda made a exception for them on the AI limit. When was the last time anyone saw a frog move on a full server? 999/1000 they just sit there making noise every now and then until someone eats them(no AI).
The simple explanation. The map is like a map of a car park. If you have one car every spot is open. If you add more cars the spots do not change. You will have less spots per person yes but the spots don't change. However changing the car park will change the spots. Ai spawning had changed a lot hence the need to start from scratch. As the spots mapped were repeatable it meant that they would spawn the same AI. I have done experiments on official servers and found the same AI in the same places. In fact while making the map I noticed that I had seen a lot of the AI I had plotted in their respective spawn zone. Having more players means that less spots are allocated per player. The game will spawn whatever AI zones you have activated. If you are in a zone that only spawns chickens. You get chickens. Trust me. You just get chickens and rabbits.
@@TurkishD_lite Now im a bit confused, you seem to be mainly arguing that the game has areas it spawns certain AI and this was to test and repeat it to prove that? Well yeah, is there anyone that says otherwise? Dont most players know some spots where they go to find X/Y/Z AI? For example the grassy slopes and little field East and NE right next to the North Dome spawns both boar and goats, though its not marked on the map in the video but its one of the areas I go to check since its close to Highlands but not that many people visit that exact area so there is often AI wandering around and yeah I have seen them pop out of thin air as well when they spawn so unless those were removed fairly recently, there should still be some spawners there. Anyway the reason I said it was pointless is that even if people know exactly where every single spawn is on the map there is no way for the player to make AI spawn there. It only worked because you were the or one of very few players on the server. If you go to some dense area with a lot of AI spawns and generally 0 people to ensure no one has already been there to eat the AI that is most likely just going to result in you starving to death, you are the only one around there = very low chance of AI spawning. This is the reason I have always had the opinion that the "new" AI spawn system is stupid, there is usually 0 rewards for going out of your way to search for areas others have not already hunted clean and instead you are punished for attempting it with 0 AI and a snowballs chance in hell they will spawn + you are now in some remote area with close to 0 chance of finding a player to eat. With the old system you could find areas that were less popular and that meant you had a good chance of finding something to eat there, making the trip to that area worth taking. Currently there is no difference sitting around a boar spawner around South Plains for 60 minutes hoping something spawns or travelling across the entire map hoping something spawns(aside from how many other people are close ofc, making hotspots even more hotspotty).
@@TheHuffur I guess you are right. The map as said it just to be used to help people find where AI is and as a stepping stone to better information. As you said everyone knows spots where AI spawns, meaning you can spawn them in and the AI is not spawning randomly. You can influence the spawning as the video showed. The reason finding AI is a struggle is because of the decreased AI count. Even solo on the server the peak count was 45. After having conversations with Potentially Hacker more has been learned. A year ago the game split spawns into 3 layers and this test showed that the First 2 layers are working mostly the same. Basically we have the same Ai spawning that we had 1 year ago. The only change is that layer 2 is far more complex and has more zones attached to it. The last layer is the random spawn layer which is just randomly spawning Ai around the player. It is unclear yet if the randomly spawning layer is working the same way it was. Either ways maybe the map is pointless but as long as it helps someone I really don't care, that makes it worth while to me.
@@TurkishD_lite Hopefully they get a handle on the performance and can up the AI on the servers, then the map would be very useful all of a sudden! :) Edit: yeah its almost lethal dose of copium/hopium at this point but it would be really nice if they did...
I just realised. In case you did not catch it the map link is in the description below. I will put it here as well just in case people miss it drive.google.com/file/d/1wzO0UKbDKEkWYhP3Gbab7swuXGJlHssQ/view As said in the Video the map is not perfect as I am one person, improvements to the map and Ai spawning will be added as more is learned.
To get fish to spawn you need to be close to the water meaning you can spwan the fish not based on location but proximity to water. Which makes fish easier.
Hence I stopped plotting the fish as much.
"the genius of amarok" 😭
I know I give you a hard time a lot and mess around with you a lot but this was a genuinely great video.
The editing, voice over, organization is perfect 💯
The commitment was insane. One of the few people I can confidently say I’m proud to be their friend. If anyone deserves to go down in Isle history I think we know who it is.
Fantastic video. Now, as a true islander i require it to be cheesed to oblivion where minimal effort or participation growth is achieved. (a Vulnona dropdown list where i pick what im playing and it tells me the most efficient afk growth spot where i get up and AI is waiting for me in front of my mouth.)
You have perfectly captured the spirit of The Isle lol
thanks bro. im only a few weeks and theres whole areas of the map i avoid cos finding AI is next to impossible. that map is going to help me so much.
Wow, it was quite generous of you to do this. Very nice research project.
Oh also they don't have sleeping and waking AI anymore. Rather now it appears without players active in an area the server just deletes the AI and respawns it in again when players return. That's why it just shows "AI" and not "A-AI" and "S-AI" like it used to. There probably using a mix of event triggers to spawn them in now.
Fucking thank you, we finally have a map for the ai
I've always wanted to taste authentic English tea from Kenya, glad you were able hook us up with a sweet deal on Yorkshire Tea
Get this man another 9k subs, NOW.
The isle dev team is a group of extremely skilled people who lack motivation or the push to finish the work they envision. What they do get out and functioning as intended is absolutely mesmerizing. I think they've matured a lot given info I've been told of the team 5 years ago.
I might be the oddball but I have faith in them to continue to grow and complete the game in less than 10yrs lol
They’re amazing at design and concepts. It’s the implementation that lets the game down.
Sometimes I feel like taking the isle devs and actually watching them play their game, bc sometimes I’m like are we even playing the same thing?? How are you not recognising that no one goes to swamp apart from crocs or that spawning plying for 40mins and starving is not fun lol. Or even getting into a game with the 100 player cap.
@@hippieyoda1993 i actually think thats the main issue with the isles devs. they clearly never play their own game. just spawning in and running around achieves nothing. they need to actually spend time using the systems they put in place so they know what works and what sucks.
Yet another amazing video, i have been watching your isle videos from the very beginning and no one else does as informative and educational videos about how things actually are in the game, people always assume things without testing and then spread misinformation and people take it as facts and then cry about the devs and the game being bad or not working but i personally love knowing how things actually work and why they work like they do in games and that information makes a huge difference in the case of the isle and that makes your isle videos the absolutely best out there and they are in their own league with no one coming even close.
30:20 My man! LMAO I love the little giggle you got out of them after showing the empty bottles! hahahaha
I don’t play Isle much anymore (Still will from time to time, just not regularly) but hell, I still appreciate the effort and especially the motivation to do this either way. AI has been a huge source of annoyance for me and others, hell I was briefly watching people struggle to even document it and “AI hotspots” which at a certain point just felt ridiculous that they even had to do.
I don’t know if you’ll see this, but even in the case you do, I’m not able to express how commendable this should be. Even if just for funny dinosaur game, as I said, the effort, motivation and perseverance for this is highly admirable. Amazing job, and thank you, I hope more people see and are able to use this to help them.
Great work!!!🎉🎉🎉
Will you do some kind of Herbivore food spawn location analysis in the future?
Also the Patrol zone spawn area's analysis for every species?
@@DerSaeugling im ngl my guy. As a herbivore main the new food update has made it extremely easy to find food as a herbivore. Goto your patrol zone and you will get every diet you need spawned.
@korniestpatch yeah you're right, maybe he should do a map for the MZ and PZ for every species (like where exactly the Zones can spawn) and how many MZ and how many PZ there are for each species.
Whatever analysis he will do I guess it will be awesome anyways 😂👈
@@DerSaeugling I guess its not Random that would be a good one to have.
I wonder if that would be species dependant
Decent idea. Will add that to the list
@@TurkishD_litei do not envy you. Thats gonna be a long long process
that "now fuck off" was personal lol but seriously I think the biggest thing people should gleam from this is that mechanics and adding depth to the game play is so much more valuable than dinosaur releases alone. Whats really going to take this game farther is good game play and the most significant step towards that is the mechanics and game design.
wow, this is like.
AN Isle youtube video!
Thank you for this very interesting video (I am starting right now)
Imagine an island. When is season 2 of the podcast coming out?
Watching this video has made me feel validated as I've always been walking around the map to find ai and never gone hungry. Glad I was actually doing the right thing
Ty for making this interesting video 👍
Dayum TurkishDLite put in THE time, much appreciated bro.
This would’ve been helpful yesterday, my little raptor was surviving on turtles lol. A problem I noticed is ai despawning when you’re chasing or actively fighting them, even when pinned by a raptor they can still despawn.
This video is great, thanks for making it
The fun thing about all this is that, even though we get repeatedly told that none of the AI settings work at the moment, there is a quite stark difference between some community servers and official servers. I've visited certain lakes for example on different servers but at similar player counts, and on one server you'd get fish exclusively, on others you would see pairs of frogs every 10 minutes and nothing else. It's just utterly bizarre to me.
I almost never see chickens and rabbits. Maybe I need to sit longer and wait for them to spawn?
Huh, I always get them first. They are very hard to spot given how small they are.
No I agree I see goats and pigs all the time. Chicken rabbits turtles and deer are very rare occurrences for me. Like seeing a unicorn.
I have almost 200 hours in the game and not once have I seen a rabbit lol. I have found a whopping TWO chickens however. Sea turtles are also no longer a myth and more of a unicorn as I saw my first two the other day
Edit: Compy is still a myth
@squishyparrotlets omg so true WHERE IS COMPI???? I haven't even thought about that. I used to be annoyed because they wouldn't leave my food alone but now I miss the little buggers
Incredible work Turk, this was an amazing watch! Keep grinding, thank you for this amazing break down
This is really well-researched and put together!
The goat returns and conquers
Oml this been sooo much work...Respect and thank you 🙏
Thank You Beautiful Little Man
Goated video, well done!
THIS IS SO WONDERFUL!!!! I WAS PRAYING FOR SOMEONE TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND I SWEAR YOUR MONTHS OF WORK WILL NOT GO TO WASTE!!!!!
I love the videos man. And you for doing God’s work.
_Incredible._ Thank you.
Amazing stuff
ill say it. the map needs to be about 40% smaller for the current 100 pop limit. Even now with random spawns people just kill themselves till they get a southwest spawn because you literally will see NO ONE. its sad.
definitely, yet if you post that on general feedback everyone would fight tooth and nail as to why the map is perfect lol
Play a Community server with 200+ people
My problem with Gateway is that it's pretty...... and that's it. There's no significant factor to going exploring as there are no landmarks whatsoever (I don't count human buildings with this), forests are just copy paste and the most interesting you're gonna find is the waterfall wall near north (I believe it's north). In Spiro we had a lot of random rock formations in forests, we had the little south pond, we had shallows, north west (as in the way the area looks, not as in "it was such a cool hotspotttt"), we had that one beach spot at south, the tree bridge at north and so so much more. I like Gateway's delta area, the new swamp pond north and Highlands but there's a severe lack of details. It's like they only half committed to the biomes they introduced which makes them bland.
@@EDGAR-kk3ut This even the devs have said that they want to move on to having 200 population servers.
Petit Pieds and the Islander servers are 200+
thanks for your hard work i really appreciate it
lol your insane thanks i liked and subt thanks for your work
It is amazing and tedious work. I can hear the madness in your voice and love the personality you put into it! I liked and subscribed. Maybe we can finally put some closure on all the myths and rumors... for now! Muahahaha! I have a feeling this video is going to blow up sooner rather than later. Nice job! Thanks for all the time you spent trying to cure ALL of our madness over figuring this out.
You should have seen him. For the last few days he’s been in a frenzy, I’d look over at him and he’d have this wide eyed crazy look about him.
@binkyrobinson i could only imagine 🤣
Insane… Absolutely insane.
(Approving tone)
Especially that bit at the end. Solid gold.
Saint 🙏🙏
Very interesting video, well made. Im gonna have to rewatch this when i wake up.
Did the numbers at the end of each AI code end up being useful? or u threw it out?
They meant nothing so I felt no need to add it. Potentially there could be something there but not enough to bring up here.
Legend!
Thank you so so so much
4:07 10 years? nah we will be lucky if its half done by then
I want the teno rot cloaca
Bro's not just cooked, bro's congragulationed
hope more people see this
14:23 now i know why i always get lag spikes in that spot
Okay fine, but only for the drugs
When I clicked on this I was expecting a breakdown of each location, not a cinematic journey to discover the secrets of the isle
My favorite Deino spot is Delta its nice.
Without having watched it yet, i doubt amarok himself knows what convoluted mess he created
After having watched it, gj. Seems there was some thougt put into it lol
around 10:30 you mention being on a spot players can't get to. What's the spot? Can ptera land there and help spawn a bunch of ai for everyone else?
What about a herrera who can climb.. ?
Please share !
Amazing detail and effort. It just isn't the way it's currently working on any populated server. Like, I don't doubt the way he explains it is the way it's supposed to work. I just think it's highly dependent on the server itself. On NA5, I sat on the beach south of West Swamp (as my PZ), and nothing spawned. No other players nearby. This was after setting up camp as a herra at South Pond and never once seeing a chicken. Toads seemed to spawn fine, but was fought over by the local deino juvi. Went from a 30% stomach to dead starving without seeing a thing as I made my way across the southern coast line.
The server goes down the player list and starts to spawn stuff in. The second stage of the project is to test on populated servers
@ *That’s* where I’m interested. I love seeing the tech regardless though. Hope my comment didn’t come off as harsh. I just really wanna love this game, but the game itself makes it so hard to 😂.
@@ZeroT3K No worries mate. This is just the first step. Needed to get the word out there to get more support on the project.
Just keep an eye out if anything suspicious happens.
@@TurkishD_lite I am curious though. When you say the server itself goes down the list. The spawn points themselves aren’t timed? It’s just a global timer that looks at everyone’s position and spawns accordingly? That’d explain why some areas end up dead. I’d imagine AI hits a maximum on certain servers and players at the lower end of the list just end up SOL.
@ZeroT3K You got it in one.
When they lowered the AI count to help with optimisation it caused an issue where the first players get their AI and then it slows down.
You have to imagine that as the player count increases the players who were there before still have AI.
If they never leave the area and never find those AI. They are just stuck there.
The AI despawns when you leave the area.
Meaning there are loads of AI just stuck unfound.
This is why the optimisation patch Amarok is working on is in my opinion more hype than any new playable.
It will not only make the server perform better but allow for more stuff with AI.
Sane things like jelqing material
bros got the mexico filter on
Also, and I am sorry if this causes any emotional breakdowns, AI behavior seems to differ quite a lot between different patches. I remember distinctly how different AI was behaving back in may. So all this precious work might become completely useless next time Amarok sneezes on his keyboard.
Absolutely correct. Until then it will help people. And the map will be improved when things change. This is the commitment I have put on myself.
@@TurkishD_lite May DOIND have mercy on your soul. 😌
months of effort and research to find out... South Plains is a hotspot xD jk tho jokes aside awesome map dude will defo be using this
Looking at this, I HOPE the devs have a look and use it to see where more AI is needed. For instance, am I right in seeing that there's... NO Elite fish in the SWAMPS!?
There are fish spawns in swamps it was just very finicky.
To get fish to spawn you need to be close to the water meaning you can spwan the fish not based on location but proximity to water. Which makes fish easier.
Hence I stopped plotting the fish as much.
The issue with the AI right now is the amount of AI. In the future Amarok hopes to reincrease the amount of Ai without lagging the servers.
@@TurkishD_lite Right, right....
Nice Video! That Jayce guy is really cool!
Problem is..AI has been on the fritz
Great vid, good work researching
i have a starving cera at north east lake. i know goats can spawn there but i just keep getting tacos that i cant find
That is part of the issue with the system. If you get the Tacos it will be harder to get goats.
@@TurkishD_lite ok i logged in and went over to where the goats r meant to be and found 2 dead 1s. i walked away for a while and came back and nothing.
i went further away and came back and still nothing. i tried walking across the map following roads and that didnt work either. i survived only because i found a dead pachy
@@EvilNecroid I am sorry to hear that you were had a hard time with the AI.
I would say if you are planning to stay in an area it would be better to just take it slow and stay where you were.
Spawning the Ai can be hard and the methods I have so far are not specific.
Future work will come to try and solve some of these issues.
@@TurkishD_lite how long do u think i need to sit around waiting?
@EvilNecroid If you are on a low population sever I would say only a few minutes. With more and more people the spawns will be spread between more and more players.
I would say for now the best bet is to head into areas with High AI and easy spawns like South plainsz highlands and delta.
ive just tested a west access to find a chiken there. failed. no vocals were detected there so i was unable to find it in grass.
This is absolutely wild dedication
How did u find turtles on other beaches than West side of the map? I swear ive tried to find them in other places so many times without success
Does having players in certain spaces effect the spawning of AI? For example if you trigger spawns by standing near cliffs. If there is another player by the cliffs around another spawn point does it not spawn the AI?
It should spawn your AI. In the tests I did with 2 people I managed to spawn Ai close to them.
God speed
good work turkish
"TurkishDlite" as in Turkish Delight, Narnia, or the guy from Snatch?
snazzy video btw turkish 👍 nice audio
You are the first person to quess Snatch, 2 of those are correct, one is half right. Maybe one day I will say.
What genius bruh, is this the same dev struggling to get usable so dinosaurs into the game??
Yes and there is no shame in that. Adding smart AI is a difficult thing.
cool
u missed some fish spawns but i guess fish r easy so im not worried
The best secret is that I missed quite a few spawns. Once I learned that Fish can be spawned in just by being near water I descided that it was not the most important thing to plot.
What r u saying when u say “spawning tacos”? at 11:15
Taco AI. The little AI dinosaurs.
Oh… I didnt know there were AI dinosaurs. Why are they called tacos?
I have never seen one, weird
@@realdanielpeach Taco is short hand for psittacosaurus
Hahahaha The End 😂😂😂😂
#Amarok I WANT YORKSHITEA!!!!!!!!
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I would prefer AI be extant animals only. It's NOT fun trying to guess if I'm fighting something that's AI or not. It's what made me stop playing a lot of the battle royal games. It's not a minigame I'm interested in and I'm fully aware it's a game I'll be playing until the end of my life. sigh
I do not want to rain too much on Turks parade here but I am quite certain this whole experiment was pointless aside from the whole "getting a baseline" (for 1 player on the server).
Add in 99 other players moving around the map and suddenly pretty much none of this is relevant because there has to obviously be some set limit to AI spawning on the server, otherwise there would be no point in changing the system to spawn them in based on player proximity over spawning them on the entire map all at the same time.
I would also expect/assume that the server not only has a limit on the number of AI but that it will prioritize spawning certain AI over others as it closes in on that limit, specifically prioritizing the "value" AI, those that give as much food per AI as possible.
GROUP of deer/goat/boar(afaik the game effectively handles the groups as 1 AI)
(GROUP of?)TURTLES
There are no groups of chickens/rabbits and spawning in a single chicken that takes up the same server resources as a group of 3-4 turtles/deer/goats/boars would not really make sense when the issue is that the server ideally would want MORE AI for people to EAT. In reverse it makes perfect sense to heavily prioritize spawning these larger AI to provide food for more players to eat and I think that is exactly what they do, hence the current Turtlepocalypse and chicken/rabbits being as rare or rarer than a unicorn.
Before anyone points it out, yes frogs spawns and are somewhat common but I think they have kinda made a exception for them on the AI limit.
When was the last time anyone saw a frog move on a full server? 999/1000 they just sit there making noise every now and then until someone eats them(no AI).
The simple explanation. The map is like a map of a car park.
If you have one car every spot is open.
If you add more cars the spots do not change. You will have less spots per person yes but the spots don't change.
However changing the car park will change the spots.
Ai spawning had changed a lot hence the need to start from scratch.
As the spots mapped were repeatable it meant that they would spawn the same AI. I have done experiments on official servers and found the same AI in the same places. In fact while making the map I noticed that I had seen a lot of the AI I had plotted in their respective spawn zone.
Having more players means that less spots are allocated per player. The game will spawn whatever AI zones you have activated.
If you are in a zone that only spawns chickens. You get chickens. Trust me. You just get chickens and rabbits.
@@TurkishD_lite Now im a bit confused, you seem to be mainly arguing that the game has areas it spawns certain AI and this was to test and repeat it to prove that?
Well yeah, is there anyone that says otherwise?
Dont most players know some spots where they go to find X/Y/Z AI?
For example the grassy slopes and little field East and NE right next to the North Dome spawns both boar and goats, though its not marked on the map in the video but its one of the areas I go to check since its close to Highlands but not that many people visit that exact area so there is often AI wandering around and yeah I have seen them pop out of thin air as well when they spawn so unless those were removed fairly recently, there should still be some spawners there.
Anyway the reason I said it was pointless is that even if people know exactly where every single spawn is on the map there is no way for the player to make AI spawn there. It only worked because you were the or one of very few players on the server.
If you go to some dense area with a lot of AI spawns and generally 0 people to ensure no one has already been there to eat the AI that is most likely just going to result in you starving to death, you are the only one around there = very low chance of AI spawning.
This is the reason I have always had the opinion that the "new" AI spawn system is stupid, there is usually 0 rewards for going out of your way to search for areas others have not already hunted clean and instead you are punished for attempting it with 0 AI and a snowballs chance in hell they will spawn + you are now in some remote area with close to 0 chance of finding a player to eat.
With the old system you could find areas that were less popular and that meant you had a good chance of finding something to eat there, making the trip to that area worth taking.
Currently there is no difference sitting around a boar spawner around South Plains for 60 minutes hoping something spawns or travelling across the entire map hoping something spawns(aside from how many other people are close ofc, making hotspots even more hotspotty).
@@TheHuffur I guess you are right. The map as said it just to be used to help people find where AI is and as a stepping stone to better information.
As you said everyone knows spots where AI spawns, meaning you can spawn them in and the AI is not spawning randomly. You can influence the spawning as the video showed.
The reason finding AI is a struggle is because of the decreased AI count. Even solo on the server the peak count was 45.
After having conversations with Potentially Hacker more has been learned.
A year ago the game split spawns into 3 layers and this test showed that the First 2 layers are working mostly the same. Basically we have the same Ai spawning that we had 1 year ago.
The only change is that layer 2 is far more complex and has more zones attached to it.
The last layer is the random spawn layer which is just randomly spawning Ai around the player. It is unclear yet if the randomly spawning layer is working the same way it was.
Either ways maybe the map is pointless but as long as it helps someone I really don't care, that makes it worth while to me.
@@TurkishD_lite Hopefully they get a handle on the performance and can up the AI on the servers, then the map would be very useful all of a sudden! :)
Edit: yeah its almost lethal dose of copium/hopium at this point but it would be really nice if they did...
People who starve on officials have a skill issue :x
And im not a pro skilled player either. Just turn up your sound
Honestly really good advice. It seems that in the last patch the Ai sounds are a lot better than before.
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