I still play coz of the events Even I started playing on korea server XD got 0 nat 5 from all the scrolls even the new player staffs Still sht I took CP from free 5 giveaway But will finish all free staff and leave the server Idk why but will work on my main cuz got over 50 ld scrolls saved Want to make it 100 so bagel can summon them If ld5 Im ok if not Im leaving the game Got Zerath, Dorothey And light Izeo
@@terrafirma5327 true, was an abs beast back then. lit every 2nd def or whatever had chasun in it and this 3 skill into vio prog 2nd skill was just so fuckn anoying.
The Isis buff is REALLY good into Juno specifically. Before the silence would proc her Spd Buff, then the Oblivion would land. However, because she still got her Spd Buff, sometimes she would cut and get a strip/stun off and mess your team up. Isis needs a little more, but this is a nice start.
He is usually used with nuke teams, which makes this buff so good, i pair him in siege with Gemini and Isabell/Tanya. Or in AO with double lushen and megan or Adriana depending if i need att bar or will
@@archi4226 Water Pure Vanilla Cookie? I think I have her, just not built cause fuck pvp. And I can say that more now that arena towers are now level skills.
I think thats the point. Applies Oblivion before the silence rather than at the same time so the skills works. Like how cleanse heals didnt used to heal with unrecoverable cause theyd heal at the same time as the removal of heal block.
Another what feels like pointless patch, nothing in the meta changed, things that don't need nerfs got nerfed and things that don't need buffs got buffed, really is crazy how they just don't listen to the player base and make what feels like completely random changes every patch. Back like 2-3 years ago, the patches actually were so much more meaningful, it's just so hard to get excited for them now because I know nothing meaningful is going to happen.
good to see someone interested on fire pudding... She's now immune to inability but the heal is now 15 from 40 and the passive still won't work against bosses... i'm still not awakening her, or 6-starring her and devilmoning her... What do u think?
I actually quite liked the Vanilla Cookie pre-nerf. Now I might just take her runes off. No real reason to use that unit now. You're almost better off running the 2a Red Werewolf at this point :(
yeah... then came shaina. shaina used to have atkbar decrease and then loren and tyron's second. I miss the days when you had to drool for verad to clear toah
Verad always reset atk bar (even when it didnt freeze). Poseidon while he didnt reset, reduced by 75% or so. Charlotte also reduced it, though like Poseidon wasnt as much as it is now. Cant think of them but for nat 4s and under there were still more. Hwa was just the strongest of them. Not trying to sound condescending (Im kinda stoned so random right now), just informative. Back then Lushen could usually one (or technically 4-5) shot Chasun. Though she was still annoying when they nerfed him 3-4 times.
@@AyetCortez Did you read that before or after my edit? If before, I wasnt trying to sound condescending (I actually did have him back then, but that was before most of his buffs. He still froze at the time, but nothing else), simply informative. I wanted to add the nat 4s but Im stoned and dont remember who did back then.
@@dudono1744 he does good damage when he's set up correctly but adding that stun chance tells me he's not a kill unit and would have to be set up with like a gany or wind dragon, nana and galleon so he can nuke... Good buff but very niche.
21:19 I was pretty new and casual during the Chasun meta but I dont remember that many attack bar control units, none that worked all that well and 5* werent the "dime a dozen" they were today. On top of that her 1) s3 isnt a "heal" so normal heal block didnt affect it 2) she was one of the few "2 heal" units (see Riley for other annoying examples". 3) if you made her your fastest unit she would either buff before your team goes or if you tried to single target nuke her or her ally S3 heals to full and she matches attack bar basically going again. TLDR Im still salty
I think the biggest change on her S2 would be to remove a debuff or two. Sure, S3 ignores heal block, but you have units like Riley that can attack buff, immunity, and remove debuffs. So they can heal through heal block as well. Kinda the main reason that the light fairy queen stopped being used as much. No cleanse on her S3. That's not saying that you need that cleanse. Just that she hasn't traditionally done "enough." Look at Praha. She aoe sleeps. Gives your team a second to recoup. Without that added utility, there's no real use to using her anymore, sadly.
@@randomwannab118 im in no way sad that chasun isnt meta anymore lol. Though I agree with most of your points I think the immunity at full hp is a good buff in place of cleansing
Her balance (and Atenais, and the others that were changed and I never use so I forgot) still do ignore unrecoverable. And dont worry Im sure EVERYONE is still salty, including those who had and used her. Im still salty about Camilla getting 8-9 turns every turn (back then 7 or 8 procs was the max), including mine cause that meant they all would. Stronger heal and cleanse on 3rd would be nice for Fran. I could auto ToA Hell if she did.
2 to be exact. Even Lagmaron has 110 spd. Now Astar will to. I hope they get at least 100 some day though, I wanna use Lapis and Lanett more given I devilmoned them (and I DONT regret it at all). Thinking about it, I wonder if theyll ever give one of the golems a spd awakening just to be insulting.
22:00 New Beth /Hwahee lead meta, S3 beth into S3 Hwahee, most units get def broke by Beth so youre odds of 60% att bar is huge and Beth probably gets a 2nd turn and Gouge gets the bonus for the def break on top of att buff. Maybe with triton in seige to counter will
@jaredcrabb I've had two meaningful ld5s in my 8 years, and they nerfed both into the ground lmao atleast I got one season with op Veronica and dark bison
Dark geralt user here. This buff is quite good .. if acc and res worked as intended in this game. With 2 buff he has 100% activation chance and as a bomber its pretty easy to have 2 buffs
@@zieg1013 and then why should i give him more than 2 buffs? I mean, why there is the condition about 3 or more benefical effect on his life if now are enough just 2 buffs for the activation rate? If the passive would work also with bomb damage at least i would create a team around him lol
I miss when balance patches were impactful. Anymore, if a monster was bad before the balance patch, it will still be bad after, and half of them will be even worse. I have no drive to reach for anything new or fun anymore in SW. Literally every normal element nat 5 is mediocre.
@@jaredcrabb Made a tier list to think about the units I actually get excited to get: Cheongpung, Bastet, Psamathe, Teshar, Rica, Liam, Taor, Bolverk, Tiana, Alicia, Savannah, Zenobia, Verad, Nana. There's another list of monsters that I like getting but may or may not build, like Perna, Poseidon, Cierra, Zaiross, Charlotte, Beth, etc. Not that they're not good, it's just.. Been there, done that. The rest I really don't care much about at all. Even if they're good, most just aren't fun. Like Leo. He has a good win rate, but he's not fun. I've pulled him before. On multiple accounts. Just never care to actually build or use him.
@@randomwannab118 Except Cierra (whos that) I actually have all of those. And yeah, most are no fun. Also, your 2nd list every monster is good, except maybe Cierra. Maybe not great, but they are still quite good, especially Charlotte. I remember the random buff she got a while ago, that was nice.
@@jaredcrabb Seara, lol. I work around someone named Cierra, so my mind defaulted to that spelling. The second list is a ton of fun! Very useful and pretty fun mons, but I've used them so much that I don't care about them anymore. Like Zaiross got a huge buff before too! And he's really good in PvP, I just.. don't like using him anymore. Charlotte is really one of my favorite mons in the entire game, but whenever I pull her anymore I'm like "Aww, not Cheongpung." Then like.. Any of the new mons and collab mons I care even less about. They release so much stuff that's like.. I'm going to single target dot, aoe defense break with a 40% chance, bomb with a 50% chance. Like there are nat 4s that do so much more. So I can't even be excited about new mons really anymore because it's like "Ah yeah, 2a mystic witch is better." Lol.
C2Us be like... we have to fulfill our LD buffing KPI, just give Zeratu HP regen per turn. Edit: Fire puddin princess with that 25% additional healing nerf could do with immune to ATB reduction as well.. just sayin' Edit2: Beth heal block is quite useless against dedicated healer as most of them cleanse before healing anyways.
The despair change is what haegang needed.... His passive didn't change but I think everyone mostly builds him on despair and that change impacts haegang
Personally the only ones I care about are the Nicki nerf (what about those who use her outside of rta, and no I dont have her) and the Lapis and Lanett (yes those are the 2 I care about) base spd buff. Theres now hope maybe Astars current awakened spd (as of typing this, I think) will be her base spd (or at least 100, someday). And the Beth nerf cause shes my favorite aunt (and yes I mean a real family member).
It'd be most likely a wind mermaid Gemini and a fire sky dancer with Gemini lead for siege defense. Props for s2 Set skill on Gemini and it going first w fire dancer spd tuned right after.
The Fire Pirate Captain will now install a bomb and will detonate said bomb. 2 bomb installers and detonator only Carrick will detonate only 1 enemy but will reduce the number/turn on the bombs on other enemies. Might be interesting!
I'm starting to think that Com2us might hate Beth. First they changed her heal block to cleanse block. Now they remove her acc on awakening for some shitty dot chance and make her skill 3 even more useless.
I know right. Shes my favorite of the hell ladies cause I have a close family member named Elizabeth. I think they also hate the OGs and people who dont rta. And for that matter the magic knights cause how fucking long was it that they got a stat balance (theyre nat 4s with nat 2 stats. Base Tati has the same atk, and more def and spd than Lapis). And they still need one.
Many of those buffs aren't random, they actually were asked. Take the Zeratu buff, many players played him in Vampire due to his lack of survivability, but now that he heals each turn, he will be played way more in vio.
I might be one of the only people happy about the Magic Knight buffs, but I will take it. Now hopefully this is a good omen that I might finally get the Light one...
It is a pretty good balance patch, can you imagine how many turns the brownie magicians can proc on first skill, 2nd skill and vio proc. And Dark Chimera, 2nd skill buff gains an instant turn is literally healing itself. And turn ends another heal. Pretty sick
May not have been understood that the Hollyberry / Macaron Shield effect change was a nerf. You want her slow af while in "shield state" to keep allies taking less damage. Terrible nerf.
@@papayacrabs8675 Ohh true, I didn't think of that. Still not the change she needed though xD even more so now Tesa can 3 turn oblivion, Light DQ will remain a storage guardian
@@Azombiebaby eh, i use her, tho im only p1 rn. She can b a great last pick. good for arena, toa hell and rly nice in the new toa content. by no means an op ld5 but def not a storage unit
started the video to hear bagels opinion on the weirdness of buffs Sticks around to hear about rant involving Com2US padding out their patch notes with filler
Hey man! Great vids! Is there anyway you can turn up the volume of your videos in post edit? I have to turn my volume up to 100% to hear you. Thanks man!
Nice Vid, not happy seeing a bunch of LDs getting buffed that really didn't need it while nerfing mons that didn't need nerfing. Im uninstalled as I find Vio Proc for AI defense incredibly high ( Arena, Siege, and I think world guild war? ) In low Rta im facing lots of people with overpowered Lds. Can't even farm coins properly which is why I even do Rta
They buff things that dont need buffs (Josephine) and they nerf things that dont need nerfed (Water Dokaibe Lord) and dont buff things that need buffed ( Leona and Dark Totemist). So annoying
Happy to see a ritsu buff. Not thinking it will help much, but at least they realize he is awful. Glad byung didn't get hit too hard. He's enjoyable to use. Really sad to see tessa nerf. One of my most used units.
Who is Ritsu? Its right there but for the life of me I just cant fucking remember. Also, whos Byung? And Tessa, do you mean Tesarion? If so, that looks like a buff to me.
Yes, every single defense has byungchol in it because he has 15% too much stun chance. No one at com2us is playing sw because they know it's just a dumb scam
Dark Shadowcaster gets a turn when the Shadow Trapped enemy gets a turn, replacing the enemy's turn. Why would decreasing its attack speed be a good thing? Doesn't that take away from half of your passive?
My LD4s who are actually LD5s : Dark Pirate captain, Light blade dancer, Dark Robo, Light dice magician, dark string master, light lich, dark giant warrior. My LD5s who are actually LD4s : dark sky dancer, light mage, dark fairy king. kinda suck to get 3 mediocre LD5s in 10 years, also all three are wrong colours.
Double Leah, probably triple d robo, quintuple Mirinae, octa Halphas (yes com2us likes giving him to me), double Amarna. Yes I spend a lot. Theres more but Im stoned and cant remember them all. Also cause Leahs not a nat 5, shes a nat 10. From what I hear, and have seen, youre ld 5s are actually quite powerful (if not op, Nyx). Mine are Zerath, apparently Leona, I cant even remember 2 of the other 5, so probably them too. Also, getting them right after a nerf (Veronica), then them getting another nerf, sucks. Alexandria (who happened to be from a free scroll, like Zerath was) was a nice consolation prize though. I even got her right after a buff.
Bagel do you have any suggestions for how to use the light dokkaebi lord, you mentioned he’s good for curtain content. My issue with him is he feels pointless he’s a stripper with low base speed up until the pact the crt damage was only if the enemy had no buffs. He has damage reduction based on buffs as well he feel like he’s trying to do everything and doing just ok at them.
Thats what I hate about Tiana personally, but she would be too damned op with more spd. I wish she would get more. I hope next balance, whatever game they play to decide the random buffs it picks her. And maybe the magic knights again.
What are you talking about? It is actually a buff, her increase speed passive can throw off speed tuning so it's better they remove it and let her do more damage. You only use Astar in Necro, Rift raids and TOA anyway now she gets a free attack buff.
Also, shes gonna have more base spd. I prefered the spd as hp goes down, but who cares shes got more spd anyway, which I think is the reason for the rework (it doesnt feel like a balance as thats too much of a change).
@@jaredcrabb well, the familys base spd were all pretty low and therefore they were kinda hard to rune speedwise. More spd for lost hp is annoying for spd tuning in necro, and this is also a pretty decent astar buff for necro especially.
@@benjaminmesserer2471 I didnt care about the tuning of her personally, I just wanted her to have as many turns as possible. It is a buff, a huge one, I simply preferred Astars old passive as I used her elsewhere too. But the passive was more of a rework rather than a balance, which can be a buff to some and a nerf to others.
The huge Beth buffs are surprising, she’s the weakest of her sisters but these buffs look good. Shocked they refuse to buff light pirate cap, but keep giving fire more and more boons
I'm not sure I like the Beth changes for RTA. The skill changes likely are helpful, but reducing her accuracy lowers her utility in RTA for me at least (I'm probably one of the few who liked her accuracy awakening)
Is there a nerf counter? I think the top 5*s are Nicki and Veronica with 5 nerfs and Dark Ryu with 4. And these Dark Ryu/ Wind Ryu buffs are sooooo troll.
Actually helps against things like Juno, so she doesnt get her spd buff still. Also, its the absolute best ever cause now Lapis and Lanett can be used more. And theres hope one day theyll have 100-105 base spd.
the filler in this bp on top of the shitty new scrolls that punish the unlucky while the lucky get to have fun, has made me decide to stop playing until i see the event that says "Free LD5"
I would like Rahul's third skill to do something to allies like the rest of his brothers do. He is the only beast monk whos third skill is bland and does nothing to allies.
The Light Dokkaebi Lord buff is just bait. We know the devs don't care about balancing PVE content, and this will encourage people to try to get him from LnD packs to get that "special edge" on farming. Its cash bait.
"Are you hurt? Fallen Blossom" bagel voice is coming back
I hope so, that was so funny. Now all Chasun needs is a cleanse.
I don't even play this game anymore but it's fun to see.
I'm not that far removed probably about a month or two but I don't play it anymore either
Same I moved on so many mobile games now day’s I still enjoy watching people play it though.
Me2
No Lydia buff
I still play coz of the events
Even I started playing on korea server XD got 0 nat 5 from all the scrolls even the new player staffs
Still sht
I took CP from free 5 giveaway
But will finish all free staff and leave the server Idk why but will work on my main cuz got over 50 ld scrolls saved
Want to make it 100 so bagel can summon them
If ld5 Im ok if not Im leaving the game
Got Zerath, Dorothey
And light Izeo
Who else remembers when Chasun was as annoying as Riley is?
Not as annoying as Riley is.
Cheatsun
@@Diopside. You don't go that far back then. She was the premium arena defender.
@@terrafirma5327 true, was an abs beast back then. lit every 2nd def or whatever had chasun in it and this 3 skill into vio prog 2nd skill was just so fuckn anoying.
@@mathiasdargel6108 right, everyone trying to kill her with Targaros because we didn't even have Rica
WIND dessert warrior "sadly" will still stay as 2* unit.. 😢😢😢😢😢
One star
@@durant8006 half a star
@@Hxpnoticghost idk what they smoking him and fire angel still not get buffed.
WIND geralt too
@@dream6897 giving him anything means Com2US at least achnowledges he needs sometihng
The Isis buff is REALLY good into Juno specifically. Before the silence would proc her Spd Buff, then the Oblivion would land. However, because she still got her Spd Buff, sometimes she would cut and get a strip/stun off and mess your team up. Isis needs a little more, but this is a nice start.
Pretty sure theres other monsters that it helps against too, but I cant think of any while the stoned version of tipsy.
I think you right, so many of these seemed random. The Frigate buff made me wonder if there's a Frigate Tablo combo somewhere
He is usually used with nuke teams, which makes this buff so good, i pair him in siege with Gemini and Isabell/Tanya.
Or in AO with double lushen and megan or Adriana depending if i need att bar or will
@@archi4226 Ohh yeah I always forget about those 2 assassins, good thinking
@@archi4226 Whos Adriana? I havent played in a while, so I forgot newer units and those I dont use often (I probably have her).
@@jaredcrabb the 5* star cookie. She heals with 1 skill, oblivion one Target 2nd and buffs att and will with 3rd
@@archi4226 Water Pure Vanilla Cookie? I think I have her, just not built cause fuck pvp. And I can say that more now that arena towers are now level skills.
Light Desert Queen applying oblivion first just stops passives that would block the silence
which mon is that that blocks silence?
@@qaws1106 it’s specifically good into Juno
I think thats the point. Applies Oblivion before the silence rather than at the same time so the skills works. Like how cleanse heals didnt used to heal with unrecoverable cause theyd heal at the same time as the removal of heal block.
convinced that in order to buff/nerf things they play spin the bottle with every mon
I think they go through every monster and roll a dice or something (flipping a coin would give them too many, unless they call it for every monster).
So now fire and dark pirate captain are better than wind and dark Geralt 😂😂😂
Another what feels like pointless patch, nothing in the meta changed, things that don't need nerfs got nerfed and things that don't need buffs got buffed, really is crazy how they just don't listen to the player base and make what feels like completely random changes every patch. Back like 2-3 years ago, the patches actually were so much more meaningful, it's just so hard to get excited for them now because I know nothing meaningful is going to happen.
The despair change feels big, im curious to see how that shakes things up
Best balance ever since Lapis and Lanett will now be 95 base spd.
Miss you Jewbengals!!! I know you still doing this for the loyal fans and your love for summoners war!!
The return of Fallen Blossoms ❤
They did not need to nerf fire pudding princess. Her passive was just fine. I want immunity buff with her s2.
good to see someone interested on fire pudding... She's now immune to inability but the heal is now 15 from 40 and the passive still won't work against bosses... i'm still not awakening her, or 6-starring her and devilmoning her... What do u think?
I actually quite liked the Vanilla Cookie pre-nerf. Now I might just take her runes off. No real reason to use that unit now. You're almost better off running the 2a Red Werewolf at this point :(
Did Douglas REALLY need a buff?
I think that Chasun buff will be more impactful than we give it credit for, especially since she has an hp lead now.
Also, I think, the two units that got buffed the most here, are Miho and Artamiel, since Beast Monks now always Crit with S1
Where is the dark devil maiden buff?
back in the day, chasun was a frustration, when atkbar decreasing effects is not a big thing.(well when hwa was the only one does it that time)
yeah... then came shaina. shaina used to have atkbar decrease and then loren and tyron's second. I miss the days when you had to drool for verad to clear toah
Verad always reset atk bar (even when it didnt freeze). Poseidon while he didnt reset, reduced by 75% or so. Charlotte also reduced it, though like Poseidon wasnt as much as it is now. Cant think of them but for nat 4s and under there were still more. Hwa was just the strongest of them. Not trying to sound condescending (Im kinda stoned so random right now), just informative. Back then Lushen could usually one (or technically 4-5) shot Chasun. Though she was still annoying when they nerfed him 3-4 times.
@@jaredcrabb yeah i forgot about him, even so he is premium back in the day. not everyone got verad.
@@AyetCortez Did you read that before or after my edit? If before, I wasnt trying to sound condescending (I actually did have him back then, but that was before most of his buffs. He still froze at the time, but nothing else), simply informative. I wanted to add the nat 4s but Im stoned and dont remember who did back then.
@@jaredcrabb its okay.
Dark/fire skill 2 pirate captain buff underrated and skill 3 on dark mixed with decrease atk bar units that kill is going to be OP... I love it!
Consider light robo
@@dudono1744 he does good damage when he's set up correctly but adding that stun chance tells me he's not a kill unit and would have to be set up with like a gany or wind dragon, nana and galleon so he can nuke... Good buff but very niche.
@@lukehollingsworth4195 I mean robo reset frigate and frigate resets robo
@@dudono1744 robo doesn't revive on his own though, very niche
@@lukehollingsworth4195 True, you need to revive it. But you have crazy cycling + cd reset to help.
The community is the best part of SW
Chasun is hurting?
FALLEN BLOSSOOOOOMS
*Weird girly bagel voice* "Are you hurt? FALLEN BLOSSOMS!"
Water Geralt is usable in some of the fastest DBAH teams. Hes fine. The light Geralt buff is wild
21:19 I was pretty new and casual during the Chasun meta but I dont remember that many attack bar control units, none that worked all that well and 5* werent the "dime a dozen" they were today. On top of that her 1) s3 isnt a "heal" so normal heal block didnt affect it 2) she was one of the few "2 heal" units (see Riley for other annoying examples". 3) if you made her your fastest unit she would either buff before your team goes or if you tried to single target nuke her or her ally S3 heals to full and she matches attack bar basically going again.
TLDR Im still salty
I think the biggest change on her S2 would be to remove a debuff or two. Sure, S3 ignores heal block, but you have units like Riley that can attack buff, immunity, and remove debuffs. So they can heal through heal block as well. Kinda the main reason that the light fairy queen stopped being used as much. No cleanse on her S3.
That's not saying that you need that cleanse. Just that she hasn't traditionally done "enough." Look at Praha. She aoe sleeps. Gives your team a second to recoup. Without that added utility, there's no real use to using her anymore, sadly.
@@randomwannab118 im in no way sad that chasun isnt meta anymore lol. Though I agree with most of your points I think the immunity at full hp is a good buff in place of cleansing
Her balance (and Atenais, and the others that were changed and I never use so I forgot) still do ignore unrecoverable. And dont worry Im sure EVERYONE is still salty, including those who had and used her. Im still salty about Camilla getting 8-9 turns every turn (back then 7 or 8 procs was the max), including mine cause that meant they all would.
Stronger heal and cleanse on 3rd would be nice for Fran. I could auto ToA Hell if she did.
I know buffing Iris is questionable, but it is absolutely CRIMINAL that there is a monster that awakens into speed that still only has 105 speed....
2 to be exact. Even Lagmaron has 110 spd. Now Astar will to. I hope they get at least 100 some day though, I wanna use Lapis and Lanett more given I devilmoned them (and I DONT regret it at all).
Thinking about it, I wonder if theyll ever give one of the golems a spd awakening just to be insulting.
I think Smicer and Light Harp magician should switch passives.
22:00 New Beth /Hwahee lead meta, S3 beth into S3 Hwahee, most units get def broke by Beth so youre odds of 60% att bar is huge and Beth probably gets a 2nd turn and Gouge gets the bonus for the def break on top of att buff. Maybe with triton in seige to counter will
Fire Ciri still sitting in the storage
They really gave veronica the giana treatment. Shes still usable, but they really love that turn 2 who vio procs more gameplay
Sucks I got her right after last nerf and shes getting nerfed again.
@jaredcrabb I've had two meaningful ld5s in my 8 years, and they nerfed both into the ground lmao atleast I got one season with op Veronica and dark bison
Bagel everyone loves u and thankful having you to explain during the 10 yeas on the game :)
Dark geralt user here. This buff is quite good .. if acc and res worked as intended in this game. With 2 buff he has 100% activation chance and as a bomber its pretty easy to have 2 buffs
thats what I was thinking, its what he needed to make sense
Dark geralt g1 user here. The buff is decent but they need to make his passive works with bomb's damage, since that is almost irrelevant.
@@marcosenese8416 or just change him to att type
@@zieg1013 and then why should i give him more than 2 buffs? I mean, why there is the condition about 3 or more benefical effect on his life if now are enough just 2 buffs for the activation rate? If the passive would work also with bomb damage at least i would create a team around him lol
@@marcosenese8416 thats true
I miss when balance patches were impactful. Anymore, if a monster was bad before the balance patch, it will still be bad after, and half of them will be even worse. I have no drive to reach for anything new or fun anymore in SW. Literally every normal element nat 5 is mediocre.
Cheonpyung, OGs, Zaiross, Tiana, Alicia, Seara, etc. all mediocre?
@@jaredcrabb Made a tier list to think about the units I actually get excited to get:
Cheongpung, Bastet, Psamathe, Teshar, Rica, Liam, Taor, Bolverk, Tiana, Alicia, Savannah, Zenobia, Verad, Nana.
There's another list of monsters that I like getting but may or may not build, like Perna, Poseidon, Cierra, Zaiross, Charlotte, Beth, etc. Not that they're not good, it's just.. Been there, done that.
The rest I really don't care much about at all. Even if they're good, most just aren't fun. Like Leo. He has a good win rate, but he's not fun. I've pulled him before. On multiple accounts. Just never care to actually build or use him.
@@randomwannab118 Except Cierra (whos that) I actually have all of those. And yeah, most are no fun. Also, your 2nd list every monster is good, except maybe Cierra. Maybe not great, but they are still quite good, especially Charlotte. I remember the random buff she got a while ago, that was nice.
@@jaredcrabb Seara, lol. I work around someone named Cierra, so my mind defaulted to that spelling. The second list is a ton of fun! Very useful and pretty fun mons, but I've used them so much that I don't care about them anymore. Like Zaiross got a huge buff before too! And he's really good in PvP, I just.. don't like using him anymore. Charlotte is really one of my favorite mons in the entire game, but whenever I pull her anymore I'm like "Aww, not Cheongpung." Then like.. Any of the new mons and collab mons I care even less about. They release so much stuff that's like.. I'm going to single target dot, aoe defense break with a 40% chance, bomb with a 50% chance. Like there are nat 4s that do so much more. So I can't even be excited about new mons really anymore because it's like "Ah yeah, 2a mystic witch is better." Lol.
@@randomwannab118 I felt that way myself til I pulled Cheonpyung. I do have Seara too, never been much of a fan personally.
C2Us be like... we have to fulfill our LD buffing KPI, just give Zeratu HP regen per turn.
Edit: Fire puddin princess with that 25% additional healing nerf could do with immune to ATB reduction as well.. just sayin'
Edit2: Beth heal block is quite useless against dedicated healer as most of them cleanse before healing anyways.
The despair change is what haegang needed.... His passive didn't change but I think everyone mostly builds him on despair and that change impacts haegang
Yea if you land glancing on him it's his passive which is the problem not the despair set.
Cr haegang inbound. 😈
Imagine changing an entire rune set because of one mon
And Shannon, and Mellia ,
@@PeteFish-b1f Too bad it doesnt ignore immunity cause my Shannon pretty op and I wanna use her more.
They even had the All beast monk tab say what the next 6 lines say 🤣 bruh like why
As an Isis owner, I am so super excited about this buff. It was the balance that is going to break her utility open.
🙄
Personally the only ones I care about are the Nicki nerf (what about those who use her outside of rta, and no I dont have her) and the Lapis and Lanett (yes those are the 2 I care about) base spd buff. Theres now hope maybe Astars current awakened spd (as of typing this, I think) will be her base spd (or at least 100, someday). And the Beth nerf cause shes my favorite aunt (and yes I mean a real family member).
It'd be most likely a wind mermaid Gemini and a fire sky dancer with Gemini lead for siege defense. Props for s2 Set skill on Gemini and it going first w fire dancer spd tuned right after.
com2us buffing dark pirate captain just to spite you!
YES JEW IT SUCKS THAT LIGHT EIVOR GOT THE CELIA TREATMENT BECAUSE I HAVE 3 LD5s and 2 of them are Celia and Eivor light, 😡🤬😈👿
feels bad man... those ld with nat4 fam are inevitably gonna get that treatment.
@@AyetCortez it does and yeah I suppose so 🤕
The Fire Pirate Captain will now install a bomb and will detonate said bomb. 2 bomb installers and detonator only Carrick will detonate only 1 enemy but will reduce the number/turn on the bombs on other enemies. Might be interesting!
I'm starting to think that Com2us might hate Beth.
First they changed her heal block to cleanse block. Now they remove her acc on awakening for some shitty dot chance and make her skill 3 even more useless.
I know right. Shes my favorite of the hell ladies cause I have a close family member named Elizabeth. I think they also hate the OGs and people who dont rta. And for that matter the magic knights cause how fucking long was it that they got a stat balance (theyre nat 4s with nat 2 stats. Base Tati has the same atk, and more def and spd than Lapis). And they still need one.
Many of those buffs aren't random, they actually were asked. Take the Zeratu buff, many players played him in Vampire due to his lack of survivability, but now that he heals each turn, he will be played way more in vio.
fallen blossom..bagel voice*
*Weird girly bagel voice* "Are you hurt? FALLEN BLOSSOMS!"
there's only a few good ones in this. I'm more concerned/impressed that bagel posted this before the fb page posted their link to this
The biggest part of this balance patch is beast monk and barbarian kings. They manage to type it five times
I might be one of the only people happy about the Magic Knight buffs, but I will take it.
Now hopefully this is a good omen that I might finally get the Light one...
Nope. BEST BALANCE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also theres hope that maybe 1 day Astars current spd will be her base spd
It is a pretty good balance patch, can you imagine how many turns the brownie magicians can proc on first skill, 2nd skill and vio proc. And Dark Chimera, 2nd skill buff gains an instant turn is literally healing itself. And turn ends another heal. Pretty sick
Also Lapis and Lanett will be more useable with more spd. BEST BALANCE EVER!!!!!!!!
May not have been understood that the Hollyberry / Macaron Shield effect change was a nerf. You want her slow af while in "shield state" to keep allies taking less damage. Terrible nerf.
The fact that the Isis one was literally c2u being a troll 😂 or a more blatent filler to make it look like a big patch
all i can think of its that now juno cant get spd buff. which may b nice...if u have her
@@papayacrabs8675 Ohh true, I didn't think of that. Still not the change she needed though xD even more so now Tesa can 3 turn oblivion, Light DQ will remain a storage guardian
@@Azombiebaby eh, i use her, tho im only p1 rn. She can b a great last pick. good for arena, toa hell and rly nice in the new toa content. by no means an op ld5 but def not a storage unit
@@AzombiebabyUse them both?
started the video to hear bagels opinion on the weirdness of buffs
Sticks around to hear about rant involving Com2US padding out their patch notes with filler
com2us wants your fallen blossom again bagel luls
*Weird girly bagel voice* "Are you hurt? FALLEN BLOSSOMS!"
Hey man! Great vids! Is there anyway you can turn up the volume of your videos in post edit? I have to turn my volume up to 100% to hear you. Thanks man!
It was battle pass filler but those Beast Monk buffs seem huge with the strip on their skill 1.
Nice Vid, not happy seeing a bunch of LDs getting buffed that really didn't need it while nerfing mons that didn't need nerfing.
Im uninstalled as I find Vio Proc for AI defense incredibly high ( Arena, Siege, and I think world guild war? )
In low Rta im facing lots of people with overpowered Lds. Can't even farm coins properly which is why I even do Rta
Light eivor needs a buff
Triana needed a hard cast soul protection , she can still get screwed by Ancient Power
They buff things that dont need buffs (Josephine) and they nerf things that dont need nerfed (Water Dokaibe Lord) and dont buff things that need buffed ( Leona and Dark Totemist). So annoying
Water dokkaebi wasnt nerfed tho?
And Lydia
Maybe he means the s1 of all dokaeibi@@shortys0084
@@shortys0084stun chance on s1 was halved.
Isnt Josephine getting a buff? And does she really even need it? Ive never heard "shes too weak" complaints. Always the opposite.
Happy to see a ritsu buff. Not thinking it will help much, but at least they realize he is awful. Glad byung didn't get hit too hard. He's enjoyable to use. Really sad to see tessa nerf. One of my most used units.
Who is Ritsu? Its right there but for the life of me I just cant fucking remember. Also, whos Byung? And Tessa, do you mean Tesarion? If so, that looks like a buff to me.
My favourite parts of the video:
9:50
16:40
22:55
Can't wait to see the comeback of Fallen Blossom
*Weird girly bagel voice* "Are you hurt? FALLEN BLOSSOMS!"
Bagel chose violence to his video. Rip everyone’s 3* white runes
Yes, every single defense has byungchol in it because he has 15% too much stun chance. No one at com2us is playing sw because they know it's just a dumb scam
But wait, do the beast monks crit?
wording for light ciri passive makes it seem like it might stack two per turn
Probably does.
Dark Shadowcaster gets a turn when the Shadow Trapped enemy gets a turn, replacing the enemy's turn. Why would decreasing its attack speed be a good thing? Doesn't that take away from half of your passive?
so they merged deborah in order for an ld5 to do the same thing in her place?
what kind of change is that for Isis? it's basically nothing
gapsoo nerf is kind of undeserving with the prevalence of healing units in the game
I literally just pulled Nicki too , 😢
Lol wasn't that bad of a nerf
Gz nicki
And I dont even have her yet. Shes always been my most wanted monster
Water Paladin is already op no need to buff her.
My LD4s who are actually LD5s : Dark Pirate captain, Light blade dancer, Dark Robo, Light dice magician, dark string master, light lich, dark giant warrior.
My LD5s who are actually LD4s : dark sky dancer, light mage, dark fairy king.
kinda suck to get 3 mediocre LD5s in 10 years, also all three are wrong colours.
Double Leah, probably triple d robo, quintuple Mirinae, octa Halphas (yes com2us likes giving him to me), double Amarna. Yes I spend a lot. Theres more but Im stoned and cant remember them all. Also cause Leahs not a nat 5, shes a nat 10.
From what I hear, and have seen, youre ld 5s are actually quite powerful (if not op, Nyx). Mine are Zerath, apparently Leona, I cant even remember 2 of the other 5, so probably them too. Also, getting them right after a nerf (Veronica), then them getting another nerf, sucks. Alexandria (who happened to be from a free scroll, like Zerath was) was a nice consolation prize though. I even got her right after a buff.
Chasun is back in the metaaaaaaa 😂
What a weird buff for chimera
Did Despair not land on a glancing hit before? Or is it a nerf to Despair?
I get the thing abt farming but when 80% or more end up a flat rate legendary it becomes irritating
is my dark geralt can come out now?
Bagel do you have any suggestions for how to use the light dokkaebi lord, you mentioned he’s good for curtain content. My issue with him is he feels pointless he’s a stripper with low base speed up until the pact the crt damage was only if the enemy had no buffs. He has damage reduction based on buffs as well he feel like he’s trying to do everything and doing just ok at them.
Thats what I hate about Tiana personally, but she would be too damned op with more spd. I wish she would get more. I hope next balance, whatever game they play to decide the random buffs it picks her. And maybe the magic knights again.
I think dokebbi lords s1 become same as paladin and druid s1
Where do you get these notes outside the game? Can't zoom in on the steam version
Reddit for instance
Yo bagel when would they be releasing the sw version of the witcher units ?
I have to debuild astar after this patch, she's useless now!
I dont think so
What are you talking about? It is actually a buff, her increase speed passive can throw off speed tuning so it's better they remove it and let her do more damage. You only use Astar in Necro, Rift raids and TOA anyway now she gets a free attack buff.
Also, shes gonna have more base spd. I prefered the spd as hp goes down, but who cares shes got more spd anyway, which I think is the reason for the rework (it doesnt feel like a balance as thats too much of a change).
@@jaredcrabb well, the familys base spd were all pretty low and therefore they were kinda hard to rune speedwise.
More spd for lost hp is annoying for spd tuning in necro, and this is also a pretty decent astar buff for necro especially.
@@benjaminmesserer2471 I didnt care about the tuning of her personally, I just wanted her to have as many turns as possible. It is a buff, a huge one, I simply preferred Astars old passive as I used her elsewhere too. But the passive was more of a rework rather than a balance, which can be a buff to some and a nerf to others.
I miss when Beth did Destroy HP
so upset about the dark occult girl nerf
They keep nerfing shit that doesnt need nerfing and dancing around touching the underutilized shit.
Despair nerf is going to kill my rica as she has only 15 crit rate
Thats a buff I believe. Ive never seen it activate on a glancing hit before.
As a light ciri owner this change seems pointless
The huge Beth buffs are surprising, she’s the weakest of her sisters but these buffs look good. Shocked they refuse to buff light pirate cap, but keep giving fire more and more boons
she only got carried by the asima buff. that's all.
I'm not sure I like the Beth changes for RTA. The skill changes likely are helpful, but reducing her accuracy lowers her utility in RTA for me at least (I'm probably one of the few who liked her accuracy awakening)
Thats a nerf to Beth actually.
Is there a nerf counter? I think the top 5*s are Nicki and Veronica with 5 nerfs and Dark Ryu with 4. And these Dark Ryu/ Wind Ryu buffs are sooooo troll.
Beth I believe also has 4. I think Com2us hates OGs, people who dont rta, and my favorite aunt.
Zeratu finally!
This may be the most lackluster balance patch ever in every way. The Isis change is completely useless by the way.
Actually helps against things like Juno, so she doesnt get her spd buff still. Also, its the absolute best ever cause now Lapis and Lanett can be used more. And theres hope one day theyll have 100-105 base spd.
They just skill balanced water Devil Maiden...
Buff light eivor
the filler in this bp on top of the shitty new scrolls that punish the unlucky while the lucky get to have fun, has made me decide to stop playing until i see the event that says "Free LD5"
Maya buff is so disappointing, no one had her in storage bc of 5% damage every 2-4 turns.
Plz buff Euldong ! Again ! Passiv have to work on him at least.
Fire pirate Captain got nerfed
I would like Rahul's third skill to do something to allies like the rest of his brothers do. He is the only beast monk whos third skill is bland and does nothing to allies.
After the balance patch do a Chasun video
*Weird girly bagel voice* "Are you hurt? FALLEN BLOSSOMS!"
The Light Dokkaebi Lord buff is just bait. We know the devs don't care about balancing PVE content, and this will encourage people to try to get him from LnD packs to get that "special edge" on farming. Its cash bait.
I thought destiny was in the thumbnail for a second and got excited, but at least dark Gerald got a small buff
All I do is farm runes I’ve got 4 quad sod swift now only took a decade lol if you optimized my rta you would probably have fun
Your not gonna see obobo runes but they are solid
haegang still gonna dominate rta 😪
16:45 When Bagel says the same thing for a whole minute, this is filler. ;p