Should You Buy The Strymon NightSky?
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- The Strymon NightSky is one of the most impressive pedals I've played yet, its capable of sounds that are unlike anything else I have. So why am I not sure about it?
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Amazing video man! Really enjoyed that :)
Thanks man!!
I own a NightSky, and the one BIG thing you have to be aware of, you will need an external midi controller, it can hold 300 patches in 3 banks, BUT they have no librarian to keep track of this so you better think about it, also you can not access the next 8 patches from Strymond unless you can send controller, and PC messages, now you can create cool patches fast, but where do you store them? and how do you retrieve them? I reached out to Strymond and their words are you must buy an external control and figure out a patch librarian on your own, now that being said, I own a Morningstar MC8 and have begun to make and store my own patches, but at this price point you will have to invest in another controller to take advantage of this pedal...this is never mentioned in any review that I have seen yet, and its a BIG deal at this price point...Helix, Eventide H9 all have advanced editor/ librarian software to support their pedals, this does not...Rhett makes some nice points about this pedal, but like a lot of reviews, this is never mentioned
I use a Korg Wavestate midi'd to and from a Behringer Deepmind 12, also the connected MIDI out from my old Kawai K1R module which passes on the PC messages to the Nightsky. I set it up for MIDI Bank 0, since 128 memory patches is more than enough for my needs. Since the Wavestate only sends out PC from 1 - 64 from it's Set List, I can use the Behringer MIDI Bank that I'm working on, to select PC from 65 - 128 on the Kawai and the Nightsky. Moving patches on the Nightsky (to overwrite bad ones with better ones) can be tricky, since I have to send a MIDI PC message to the Nightsky from the Behringer. Since I can only send a PC message by selecting the next or previous patch on the Behringer, I use a MIDI filter pedal I've had for over 20 years, to temporarily shut off the PC button, move the Behringer to just before the patch # on the Nightsky I want to override, turn the Filter pedal MIDI back on, press + for the next patch, and the good Nightsky patch overrides the bad one. Strymon also has a Multiswitch add-on pedal, which apparently can be set to select all Midi banks 0, 1, and 2, wich, fortunately, I don't need. I believe it is intended for Guitarists who don't have or want to be othered with MIDI Controllers.
Most guitar players outside of a church don’t use midi
@@jessieplaysmusic8530 Um...what?! Most pro & aspiring pro guitar players use MIDI these days.
Are you just talking saving settings? Can’t you just take a picture of it and save it to a folder in your phone? I can’t imagine I’d need to remember anymore than a handful of settings for a set list.
@@nonsense2369 I think "people" get too complicated with this stuff. My MIDI is an iPhone and photocopies of the clean panel, just in case I get something great.
"I'm thinking of building a modular synth...'
He said before descending down the rabbit hole. I'm also a guitar player who decided to check out modular synthesizers, let me just say that it's very enjoyable but a hell of a learning curve.
My name is Eurorack, Destroyer of Wallets
And so I thiight playing guitar anr buying pedals would be pricy
Let me introduce myself, i am Eurorack
Personally I would not use it for guitar but it would be cool piece for my pedal steel rig.
It’s like having “Tangerine Dream” in a pedal.
Great if you’re into Prog Rock.
Thats the exact reasons I bought it! I love early TD and prog
Or if you're into horror movies from the 80's. :)
I thought more Pink Floyd watching a different demo of it.
@@nealeshaffer3140 Me, too! If you like guitar and sometimes ambient experimentation, check out an artist or project called Lanterna.
Or ambient
Great intro, Rhett!! You have to make that to a full song/track... if it isn't already?
Totally this
Yeah he KILLED it on the intro!!!!
Absolutely I would love to hear 10 mins of that soo much. I just love this pink floydty use of a slide. There are waaaay too less songs in that style in the world!!!
EDIT: if somebody knows songs that are like that please drop me a line. 😉
Yes, this needs to be a 10 minute long full song. It's kinda killing me that you faded it off as it went that syncopated section.
Please
Not sure how everyone else feels about it, but when it comes to “reverb” pedals, I want it to achieve some crazy spacey, other worldly sounds. The more “out there” the better. And the experimentation with different sounds helps write parts that I eventually turn into a song. It’s really fun to write a song around a specific sound I found. This pedal is going to a lot of us experimenting like crazy. :)
The minute I heard it I thought “that’s cool but I have no use for it practically” it’s cool but for the price tag I could get a lot of other more useful things 🤷♂️
No more Mr. Night Sky
I have it I like it :-)
I feel like everyone got convinced by this video not to buy it but it convinced me to buy it 😂
Cyber attack dude is genius!!! His Moog ring mod video of old on his old channel was the best ring modulation video ever as well. Love his new channel.
KILLED IT ON THAT INTRO!!!
I've keep coming back to listen
Wonder if this giant wave of stereo spatial modulation effects, plugins, pedals will somehow swing the pendulum the other way: maybe the next unique sound is not more modulation on your compressed stereo spread, but some amazing musician playing mono dry cutting through a band sounding fresh and weird and new compared to now commonplace bedroom producer ambient sound design lush Splice loopers. Maybe the music in the upside down isn’t more dream stuff but more real stuff. Or maybe we are in the upside down. Still, though, love you Strymon.
Dude there isntons of people out there doing what you just suggested, and I absolutely love it when they do.
But the nightsky sounds insane if used right. Go and watch Perry Franks sound examples on the nightsky. This thing has some incredibly amazing sounds in it, it is more than just a pedal. You can create the most beautiful synthlike soundscapes with them, also by sending vst through them. Absolutely beautiful
I could watch a 10 hour intro from you. Awesome work of art.
Dude, you always have killer intros to start off the video! Keep it up!
The issue I have with some of these pedals is that there are 300 presets I would have absolutely no use for. I wish Strymon would develop a pedal where you could download the best patches from Big Sky, Mobius, Timeline etc. into one box.
Great reaction. You articulated well about what this pedal is. I fall into that "basic guitar player" mold, and definitely am a fan of Strymon pedals, and use the Flint and Deco (which does just about anything). I think some players get caught up in the desire for a new toy, and focus more on the amount of possible options. For me, I try to pair back, so less of my thought is on the equipment, and more on what I'm playing.
Well for me, I would have lost interest in playing guitar a long time ago, if it wasnt for the endless options of creating so many soundsscapes that dont sound like guitar but I can play with guitar.
For me crafting sound is also a gift to be mastered and I enjoy it a lot, eapecially making patches on the fly while recording songs.
I pretty mich never use presets eith my 7 strymons, I always dial in the sounds very fast and always end up with something new that inspires me to play guitar differently. I never lose the focus on playing, it even encourages me to play ehen it soumds so awesome.
Well said. I like my Eventide Space because it covers insane ambient effects, but also can do everyday spring, plate, halls.
3:02 - there it is. Seems like a very useable pedal for recording transitions. Like it.
Transitions and paired with synth gear. 👌😎
Sounds like The XX pedal
Strymon makes amazing products. Wish I could afford them.
I mean it's 500$, even with average salary, you can save in 2 months :)
Artjom Šatalin unless they’re a student or have kids
@@ArtyShat Not with a wife, two children, and college loans up the wazoo...
Anyway, at $500, if you have to ask yourself about the value proposition. For instance, Flamma just came out with a cool reverb pedal @$68. Or, if you have $500 to spare, what else could you spend it on? Like, retirement? Ha
@@ArtyShat Do you assume that everyone around the world is in the exact same financial situation as you? There are so many unknown elements to someone else's finances e.g family, housing, transport, medical expenses, loans etc. Not to mention that in some parts of the world 500 dollars might be your entire monthly income while in other parts of the world it might be only 1/10 of your monthly income.
@@joonasarmpalu7805 if you cant save 500 dollars in a couple months then you should play less guitar and work more. go mow some lawns.
holy shit, thanks for the plug dude.
Seems like studio kit for ed Obrien.
spot on! 😂
He doesn't use much reverb(if not at all) but a hell lot of delays (Boss DD5x2?, line6 DL4, EH Memory Man and the looper Headrush E1 that can serve as a delay on steroid and certainly some more delays idk) combined together. But nevertheless, I guess he loves to play around with new toy like all of us haha
man the intro music you make is incredible
Nice vid man. Everything you said is true. It´s a really "perticular" pedal. If you are into ambient scene and like to tweak, guitar or synth, don´t hesitate.
Had a long thought should I insvest in this or not, now, no regrets. This pedals is just amazing.
I'm definitely interested in one to have around. It's definitely useful for something. I'd really like to hear it with more dry signal just to see how subtle things can get. I could see solo acts using it to have a bigger sound. I think strymon wants to continue to change the narrative and that's exactly what they did here.
It's a Strymon for the Earthquaker guys, and an Earthquaker for the Strymon guys.
Perfect way to describe it!
Yes!
I like what you call "niche effect", I mean, it's cool you talk about it. You're certainly absolutely right about this very specific pedal use target. Your opinion is precious. Thanx for this video
Really digging the intro Rhett. Seeing a product inspire is, well, inspiring. Keep it up.
Great vid. I completely agree. I’m glad that companies are doing this kind of specialized stuff, but I can’t help being on the fence about this one. The NightSky (and others like Zoia etc) seem almost like the apex of this pedal craze we’ve all been in for years where now it almost seems companies are making products for gearpage users and ambient TH-cam guitarists more than typical working musicians. I’m not knocking it..I love both of those things, and obviously these are the people who buy them. My El Cap/Flint combo will never leave my board, but I even feel like I see more Timelines and Big Sky’s on Instagram than out in the real world. Either way it’s a crazy time to be a guitarist!
I haven't watched the last few videos yet because every time I do I want to sell all of my equipment. I knew better than to watch this. That intro. Damn.
Amazing intro man. It would be so cool for you to make these songs into full tracks. Love your stuff!
I think you are exactly correct. This pedal seems more useful in a studio for composition than it would be for an active cover band.
I also agree that in this case the pedal isn't better or worse than other pedals. It's just different... and unique. I like not only that Strymon makes different pedals that can be used for different instruments, but also how it can make pedals for the same instrument that do different things. I love these type pedals force us artists to think more creatively and more outside the box.
Informative review. You slide guitar at the beginning.. 🔥 Keep creating amazing textures 🤎
such a badass groove in the beginning there loved it
Thanks for a great informative video! 🎉
Rhett the intro on this video was great! Thanks for showing off this pedal I've also been on the fence about buying it. I've gotten so used to my Keeley "Dark Side" pedal that I haven't had much need for extra reverb/delay. This pedal seems ideal for a looping artist that's for sure. The Strymon is nice nonetheless if you can utilize everything on it and have the extra $$
Well, since the moment I saw it, I knew I wanted it. For the type of music and sounds I like to incorporate in my music, this pedal is perfect. Great video!
Great review Rhett, and you nailed my initial reaction to this pedal. I thought it sounded spectacular on the Sub37, and now I’ve been wanting to try my H9 and Collider with mine to see if can get similar territory. You are spot on about the big build up on the track - it’s an effect that seems can get out of control if overused.
Thanks for the honest review pal.
This pedal is overkill, this pedal is like dropping too much acid in the nineties.
Or the 70s if you're older like me 😊
This is a product in a hypothetical scenario of "what if Strymon & Brian Eno had a baby", ha ha! It's like Roxy Music in a pedal. The Night Sky is phenomenal - it's an instrument in itself. That is why it's unlikely to be as "one of reverb pedals" on the pedalboard of stereotypical guitarist.
I am digging this pedal, knowing that it's not for me. Great job, Strymon!
Looking forward to trying this one!!
@Luke Spot on, I can totally see Ed O'Brien using it for years to come, great point!
Great Roxy Music reference.
I bought a synth to flip just to be able to buy this, and I already have a BigSky. They will complement each other well.
@@kevinblackburn3198 Thanks! That's how I immediately felt it & went with it. Cheers!
Great review! I like your honesty
Like your objective ness in this video Rhett, yes you can get some amazing soundscapes and actually use well when recording film/tv soundtracks with lots of ambience and creative new ideas, as you say not just for guitarists but a host of other instruments which is great, but for me it’s a very expensive pedal that I can’t see me using lots in my guitar band set so although it would be great to have one I couldn’t justify spending that amount on something I would rarely be able to use. Great video 👍
I know I’m late to the party. But that opening track Rhett…..is great!
I could see the guys from Bethel getting this and using it.
I could see *insert worship group* using this *insert strymon pedal*
@@DeeRok35 🤣🤣
I disagree. Even Bethel's guitar tones don't approach this kind of reverb soundscape. Their reverbs are usually pretty simple. Even as a worship player, I'd kinda hate if this thing caught on.
Bethel is an apostate heretical disaster.
@@2817well Must be
The synth and slide paired together sound so so good, love the jam here
Seems like it would be a great addition in a worship bands setting. Btw...loved that intro🔥🎸
I’m with you Rhett. The Nightsky isn’t applicable to my playing style and gear needs. Not to say that it isn’t great for others! Just not my bag, but honestly I was relieved! I get a bit nervous every time Strymon starts rolling out a new product knowing that they usually hit me in the “I gotta have that thing” spot
That opening mix was massive! Great review on this. I'm only afraid I may need a PHD to operate it. It's a wicked cool box! Yes, your ears could possibly overdose on this pedal, but savage when used in the right context.
Not my thing, but can see the applications you pointed out. Always cool to see Strymon’s latest
Geared for synths, so with guitar, suggest using guitar synth pedals in front of it...C4, Enzo, Infinite Jets, SY-1, SY-300, SY-1000, etc...
This whole video sounds awesome!
Loved the vid,very honest.I would defo buy that pedal.
I agree with your assessment. Absolutely great for ambient music or film/video scoring. Limited use for any other genre. Depending on exactly how the presets work, fiddling with it at a live gig might be a pain.
shoegaze
Wow.
Rhett does space music!
I like this.
Considering how Strymon was adopted by the worship crowd, that uses mostly standart pretty lush sounds, it's easy to see how an unit so experimental oriented wont be very compelling for their typical buyers. It does have a good potencial for sound producers, shoegaze/dreampop bands and synth heads tho. It really needs to be an educated purchase with this one.
It’s made for me and I’m grateful haha
But should I get it if I already have the BigSky?
As a P&W player, this pedal is completely useless for worship. Serious players in the genre aren't interested in crazy airplane psychedelic effects. Would have been much more interested in an updated Timeline and Bigsky with USB and bluetooth.
Hardly... its still to specialised. I cant see much use for this other than.... well maybe modular synth. I dont know. No one needed this is 2020...
Very well put. I still want one.
Good video, but I'd be shocked if anyone bought this pedal thinking it was for every day reverb sounds. It's clearly aimed at people who want to experiment. Some people will absolutely flip out over it. Others will hate it b/c they have no interest in dreaming up new sounds, or they simply don't have the time to do so. I understand both points of view.
"They send me this pedal for free"... "but they are not paying for this review." Well, hello?? ???
Great video man, hey im thinking of getting the Night Sky , for my moog subsequent 37 for cinematic ambient atmospheric cosmic sounds ... In your opinion should I get the Night sky or a Ventris for that purpouse ?
If you don't own the Big Sky, this is one step above it. Love it. It's for someone like me who likes to explore with keyboard and guitar. Studio piece. Modular too. I used my Big Sky on my Moog Grandmother. So cool.
trouble with unique effects is that once you hear them thats it.
Always dig the intro tracks! Strymon Deco is all I need from them. My all around swiss army knife!!!
This pedal will be BIG with the experimental music community. It will be used with many instruments, not just guitar. Electronic producers will love it. Same as soundtrack composers. Personally I'm excited.
Love the slide melody!
Rhett you make a very valid point. At what point have we. reached saturation? The point beyond which not much can be done to open new doors. Efforts yield some results, but not quite enough to set a new trend. If it lives up to then claims of the mfg. then the question is, HOW USEFUL are the settings in your music? A computer combined with effects. A synth? Can the effect be used to augment and improve your music?n Can it be used as a paintbrush and set the tone for completely new sounds In the end the test is can you make beautiful music with it or not?
Great review, what you said were totally my considerations for not getting it even though it’s one of the coolest pedals available. That intro track was fantastic!
Music from the hearts of space... Like you say experimental players, and those in the ambient realm, are going to love that pedal
Should that even Be a pedal? Plug in? yes. Rack effect even, with storable presets? Absolutely. But set up between songs in a pedal format, for me, would be a no.
It has 16 presets on the unit and 300 via midi
@@sammaddison2085 really?
becca turf yes, the 8 step sequence buttons act as 2 banks of 8 presets.
I’d imagine the the 300 presets via midi work like the 3 big box pedals, midi PC (Patch change) messages
@@sammaddison2085 16 eh? So not even enough to do a decent live set..
It's for Ed O'Brien. The pedal is for Ed O'Brien.
I really like Strymon effects, I have a Blue sky in my board but I’d have to agree with Rhett on having it floating around the studio, it seems like a perfect thing to have for a special/ specific event in a song , that said , I’d love to own one !! Hopefully it would inspire some coolness. For someone in film scoring this would be perfect!!
Great for texture and sound design. Kind of sounds you used to need a whole rack of outboard stuff to do. With this approach you aren’t going to be effecting something in your track that’s already there, you’re going to be crafting a segue, a new part, a new section or even a whole new piece of music.
If you’re used to chaining a shitload of delays, reverbs, and dynamic modulation fx together this thing is a godsend. If you want to explore that kind of thing it looks like a (relatively) cheap way to get into it. If you’re not interested , then it’s a time and money waster. Buy it, then sell it to me used 😅
It’s a very specialized pedal. I don’t want to be that hands on and I love my Blue Sky pedal.
Thanks for this honest review. I think the Nightsky sounds great but I don’t see myself taking the time to discover everything it can do. I’ll leave that to someone else and stick to the Strymon Flint.
This pedal is like an expensive version of my mooer Ocean Machine.
I love my Ocean Machine. Why doesn't it get more exposure?
I got an oceans 11 on order, everything twice as expensive in NZ.
@@jadewraith No we're talking about Devin Townsend and Mooer's Ocean Machine, dual delay and reverb with some pretty wild effects in it, with a looper, midi etc. The thing is a beast, and priced really well.
I got a ocean machine for $300 Aus a few years ago and I love it , it's a bloody brilliant machine , I've also got a Strymon timeline and together they both give me a big arsenal of looping delay and reverb .
I was wondering about getting the Timeline but didn't think I'd need it if I had the Ocean Machine. I'll probably end up with it eventually. I need me some Strymon!
Bass player here. Saw this video and thought the same thing, sounds good but how would it be useful for me? Went to a local music store and the guy working there (also a bass player) said give it shot. It is really a fun pedal to play with and I haven't scratched the surface. Never really used reverb with bass before but this does that and so much more. Thanks for the awesome video!
This is definitely a shoegaze pedal.
Also its cooler on synth. Might be fun for use in the studio.
Awesome Rhett!
Gonna wish you had some MIDI. - Without the fabled MIDI...- EBAY.
Thank you. I scored one today. I got the MIDI. And I got a way to sidechain this maelstrom of ambient weirdness in Stereo with my delay. It's like they made this pedal for me.
Works great for guitar. Goes above and beyond. It's all in there and is good for more than just one part of a song. It will do normal reverb and it does it well, it also does pretty nice things for those special moments. Most important for me is it has knobs no menus to scroll through. 128 presets that can be recalled through MIDI. I received mine a few days ago and already have it in my rig along with the Volante, they sound great together. Strymon's thinking on this pedal was out of the box.
Love the synth playing!
And you played on my favorite guitar brand - GRETCH!! My choice was the Players Edition G6609TFM Broadcaster! Would love to hear what you think about the Gretch guitars! Thanks for this as always interesting video!🎶👍
For 430 bucks, i'd expect more blinky lights.
Lol how many more?
@@joelyates3199 I dunno, i figure they could at least squeeze on eight more blinky lights and maybe some kind of meter.
Considering a Volante to replace my Collider. As far as this pedal, definitely not for me. Also, I think Shimmer is the Metal Zone of ambience. Blah
Don’t get me wrong. I’d use these pedals on occasion if I got them for free. But no way i’d buy this one.
They make great stuff!!
I feel like this would be to much to cover off and bury me in “option paralysis”
I felt the same way about the volante, still have and love my timeline though!
Well it's kinda like the night sky: vast, mysterious, possibly overwhelming but full of potential and giving a sense of adventure...
I do find it rather wasted on guitar tbh. I fell in love with it when I saw it earlier, on a video by Christian Henson (who is indeed a film score composer); he used it with an (prepared, I think) acoustic piano and it sounds AMAZING!!!
As a contemporary classical composer & pianist in love with prog rock/metal and electronic music myself, it's quite a dream for me
(but I'm newer to music 'tech' so i dunno what similar things may be out there)
I clicked for the Night Sky but now I'm saving for the Moog! Killer stuff Rhett!
To be fair... these sounds can be made with parallel mixing and sequenced/LFO modulation (Adrenalinn, EHX Mod Rex, etc), filtering, and some other tricks. But they put it all in one box, which costs less than all of those put together. If you wanted a pedalboard-friendly way to do this, it's hard to beat. But definitely not the only way to get these sounds.
Fantastic opening track!
Too much $$$ for such a targeted pedal design. They essentially made a pedal that is creating a solution to a problem you didn't know existed. I.E. If you HAVE TO HAVE the sounds it can create, you will lay over the coals to have it. The current pedal business model is a bummer really. Non-boutique pedals are now selling for prices close to what boutique builders used to demand. These pedals are expensive enough to begin rivaling the prices of rack-mounted studio-grade gear!
Your intro is amazing. You should put that together as a complete track and release it. Wish I had a fraction of your talent.
Sounds like someone has been listening to Slowdive
Always makes me laugh when people can afford guitars, amps, and a laptop, or smartphone, internet, but they can't afford a 500 dollar pedal. 'Some' people just like to complain' whine. Really annoying.
I don’t know man... I envision cats and kits making complete, complex compositions with this thing. Guitar, Bass.... EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. I think this will be a MAJOR BIG DEAL. Maybe even one of those “ game changers “ that comes once in a really really long time. Maybe not for regular players but, I think big things will come from this.
I could do some killer 80’s new wave stuff with that thing.
as a film composer - definitely appeals to me. However I could probably achieve a lot of the sounds in a synth by assigning LFOs to parameters of the reverb, motion sequencing the reverb, etc. It seems less an essential for me, it's more a potential luxury extra.
I was thinking exactly the same. It seems like this pedal is cool for a guitar players, who would like to add more synthy options because of pitching mods and etc. Players who already own plenty of synths with mod/env/filter options already have been prepared to enter in the matrix. It's gonna be a tough collab between this nightsky pedal chained with the recently released Polybrute by Arturia.
Good description and I agree... if you write your own songs and want to create some lush backgrounds, or Film score type stuff, perfect, but for the everyday guitarist I don't see much use for this. I have a Timeline and Big Sky and putting those two together is fun enough for me :-)
I come from the modular synth world. First, Strymon pedals are top-shelf and worth their premium prices. Second, the NightSky appears to be capable of some interesting & complex effects. Third, a decade ago this sort of device would have been packaged in a 19" rack mount and aimed at studio users of outboard effect chains. As far as a reverb for my gigging modular setup, I prefer my tried and true Strymon Blue Sky, which might be simple, but I know how to dial-in reverb styles on it that work very well for me.
I heard some potential Gilmore sound rip-off possibilities in this pedal as you were doing some lead fills over that infinity sustain. Personally I like it but I’m not a gigging guitarist. I hear the possible use for it in sound design to picture which is more my wheelhouse. I’m going to get it. Thanks for bringing to our attention!
I watched Strymon’s live launch demo the other day and really wasn’t impressed. I love Strymon but everything I heard could be achieved with pedals I already have like the GFI Specular Tempus, Source Audio Ventris or Collider, and Meris Polymoon or Mercury7.