The complexity of designing a new car with this many system is going to have bugs. I'm sure many people know the absolute mind boggling amount of code it takes. Like or not new cars are becoming more and more computerized. This is the reason we get more hp out of a v6 today then we did 2 v8s from the 80s and get better mileage and reliability. That said it sucks cause I like to tinker and these manufacturers are doing everything they can to make you bring it to them for repairs. My dad has a 2016 grand Cherokee overland, the damn thing has 15 computers, no way he or myself are touching that. Looks like the jl is going in the same direction, but they have to so they can compete. Guess the whole argument just reminds me of the fight against fuel injection. Its here to stay just gonna have to get used to it.. But that is some surprising cheap materials for the price range, and hopefully they will have a few of the bugs and oversights fixed soon. Can't believe you can drive off without the key. No one thought to put a proximity sensor on a refresh rate.
Horsepower numbers dropped in the late 70s and 80s because of the oil crisis and stringent emissions policies, not because automobile manufacturers couldn't build an engine. Yes, you can get more power out of less displacement by manipulating fuel maps, timing, and cam profile by using a computer to monitor parameters thousands of times per second in today's world, but formula1 reached the limits of the combustion engine in the late 80s and early 90s (about 1 hp per cc). Now its all about thermal efficiency. And the major tradeoff to that is reliability.
Most new vehicles have mey fobs only, not a jeep thing. All new cars have comlex electricals systems, not a jeep thing, this thing is the first gen of jl, none should be surprised that it has issues
All of my JK issues were fixed by not buying one, and keeping my 300k mile and counting, $400 craigslist V8 ZJ that'll stomp mud holes in the vast majority of the mall crawler JK's.
I bought my '12 JK brand new, trading in my '98 TJ. I still really like it. It's my 5th Wrangler, in a row. But I won't be buying another new Jeep. They are not aiming the new ones to their previous customer base. They have become overpriced, tech heavy, complicated vehicles, that are designed to be brought to the dealership for service. Am I the only person who thinks the new pickup is going to be a quick ending fad? Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Subaru Baja, Hummer HT(?) , people that bought these soon realized that they either needed a real pickup bed, or they didn't need a pickup at all.
@Andrew Pearson You do understand that baby boomers are dying off and that manufacturers have to appeal the younger masses, right? They like techy gadgets and stuff similar to that.
It's crazy how people complain about things on new vehicles when every vehicle that I have ever owned has had these same issues! I've had previous vehicles with worse issues that they shouldn't have had. There are new vehicles on the market from all manufacturers that have issues. I have to constantly remind everyone that these machines are built by humans who aren't perfect. No matter what vehicle you get, some have issues and some don't. BLUF: Drive what you like, like what you drive!
- Many of the issues mentioned boil-over from the JK - Cracking winshield - unless you got a 2007 - 2011 windshield, expect cracks on a yearly basis - The seatbelt buckle sticky fabric - This is also found on the JK and is designed to prevent your buckle from scratching the center console. Im glad they include it as a stick on fabric - makes it easier to replace when it wears out (or peels off) imo. - The Tailgate window seal - Same as on the JKs. i work in a wrangler mod shop and you might be surprised, but those seals rarely need to be changed. - Tailgate - like JK's, taking out the panel covering the trunk pocket is the only way around that one on most wranglers since the tailgate started coming out sideways - Rocks in the Fender Flares - JKs have that issue (slightly less so). I guess its the price we pay to have removable fender flares. - Comfortability - you have to look at where the wrangler is coming from. The JL's interior is superior to the JK's, which was superior to the TJ's. Not many vehicles come with dead pedals - the JK and TJ didn't - luckily, thats where the after market comes in To allow the Tires to stick out more, the body needs to stay narrow - obviously this cuts out shoulder space. The JL has a telescopic steering wheel, giving you much more comfort than the JK fixed steering wheel distance. - Play in the steering wheel - Same for all Wranglers - the steering system has a lot of joints in it, and each joint contributes to some play. The play is necessary in order for the jeep to handle larger tires or rough terrain. You can easily tighten the steering box to your liking to reduce the play, but the tighter you go, you might find that its road manners on ruts and uneven roads at higher speeds become jarring, unpredictable, and difficult to manage. (very similar effect to having a steering damper that is too tight).
@Veiled Heat Not anymore apparently. I just bought a new 2018 JL sport and was told MOPAR stopped the lifetime warranties because they were losing too much money.
Joby Fluorine so the windows being weak isn’t a sign nor the recall for the faulty frame welds or death wobble. Yes it’s a old wives tail but I’d never buy a brand new off the lot the first year ever. Why be the ginny pig for everyone else who wants to wait and see what there like and what the reviews are on them.
The flaw in this logic of "don't buy brand new vehicles the first few years" is that it can really only work for a small few. If nobody bought a newly released model, then that "beta testing" would never happen, and by the third or fourth year of production (or whenever you say to buy) the vehicle will STILL have all those initial problems. Besides, this is why warranties were invented.
Joby Fluorine not a wives tale, on the new ford pickups the 2011-2012s are garbage compared to the 2013+ trucks. They improved the motor design and the turbo.
AMEN FUCK THE NEW JEEPS AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THE FUCKING STATUS SYMBOL WANTING SOCCER MOMS CAN HAVE THEM ILL KEEP MY CJ AND AM DROPPING A CJ ENGINE IN MY TJ
@@jokerchris1 Seriously! That 2.8 is my dream engine swap for the tj....but with how much that'll cost I want to get a different tj preferably an 06 LJ for the extra cargo space and longer wheel base on trails
AMEN!!! TJS YJS CJS AND ARMY JEEPS ARE THE ONLY REAL JEEPS. THE NEW ONES ARE ONLY ROCKETSHIPS WITH 4 WHEELS AND A JEEP EMBLEM. ALL JEEP IS DOING IS KILLING THEIR OWN BRAND!!!
You can disengage the AutoOff mechanism (that shuts off the vehicle at a stop), by removing the plunger switch under the hood, laying it horizontal to the frame and zip tying it off. This will give you an small AutoOff warning light on the dash, but you no longer have to worry about it shutting down the engine. This is easily reversed by simply reinstalling the plunger switch.
The auto stop/start was my most hated feature until I installed a bypass module that remembers if I have it shut off. Now it’s the water that dumps on me when I open the door in the rain.
Most of these issues are the same on the JK. The steering is exhausting on long road trips in my 2016 JK and the road noise... . One of the best upgrades for comfort I've made to battle the epic amount of heat the roof gives off in the summer and road noise is a hotheads headliner.
@olds767 exactly, it's socialism and government intervention that turned these jeeps into mall crawlers. safety standards, emissions controls, mandated airbags, etc
Thanks for the informative review of the JL. When it was introduced, I was tempted to order the Rubicon in exchange for my JK Sahara I got new in 2011. Now I’m happy I didn’t. I’ll keep building my JK and ride off into the sunset with a more capable vehicle than any new JL off the floor. Thanks again for your great Jeep videos, I’ve learned a lot from you. Happy New Year 2019.
With the key issue I work at a Jeep dealer and when I drive them I put the key where the cup holders are right where there is a spot for a phone that little spot actually fits the key almost perfectly
We have had keyless starters for 5 years now and have had no issues like you described. It auto turning off the ac would be enough for me to not want the car. Ps. I wouldn't recommend paying full price for a jeep, last year about this time they were selling a 35k for 20k. Too many cheap fixes that won't last, I would rather get an older version.
The A/C and other electronic devices stay on when the vehicle auto stops/starts. The statement in the video that it shuts off is false. Plus, you can turn the auto start stop off permanently through the menu.
Your shoulder does not jam into the pillar? I am only 6 foot and 300 pounds and I had to sit with my upper body twisted because my shoulder was jammed into the pillar of the one I rented.
I’m right there with you on the foam, that’s going to be an issue. I wonder if silicone replacements can be cast. Shouldn’t have to do that on a $40k vehicle. It seems the carmakers are in cahoots with the banks, knowing people will finance so they can raise the price.
Thank you for all the useful info. I owned a Jeep back in the 90s. My main complaint was that the fuel filter was in the gas tank. If you had to replace a cheap $10 fuel filter because it was clogged, you also had remove, and replace the gas tank (very expensive). I don't know if Jeep still has this poor design, or has fixed it.
These added up enough to take the 1st year (at least) model totally off my list, ever. (And I'm a tech wizard: it's my living.) What hath Fiat wrought?
My steering stabilizer was replaced by Jeep 2x with the factory stabilizer, and finally the dealership put an aftermarket Fox stabilizer on and it fixed the death wobble!
I noticed something very similar with the 2019 Dodge LongHorn Ram 4x4 as well. I'm a commercial over the road 48-state driver and it takes some "getting use to". This is a Jeep, it is for offroad applications, it isn't a comfort vehicle. It sounds like the Jeep does exactly what it is designed to do, a livable off-road vehicle, except the engine locking up, that ain't cool.
A lot of these issues go back to previous Jeeps. The TJ didn’t have any arm rest whatsoever, and the hardtop/seals are nearly identical to the JK. The JK also has that water leak when you open the door in the same place, and the window controls in the center. I do believe that the seals in the JL look a little thinner. The hood latch thing would piss me off too. I drive a 2 door JK with the regular hydraulic steering. It drives the same as my friend’s ‘97 XJ and my 04 WJ, but that makes sense because they have the same axle and steering components / geometry. There’s play, and it will always strive for the ditch on a heavily crowned road. However, I do believe there is an issue with the electric assist steering in the JL. The key thing is plain dumb. On a new Grand Cherokee with the engine running, the Jeep will beep at you if the key leaves the vehicle and will continue to beep until it’s returned. The JK also has issues with rocks in the fenders, but not nearly as bad. And the engine stop start is very annoying, and government mandated, but it can easily be disabled by disconnecting a cable under the hood (there’s a TH-cam video about this) and plugged back in to work at any time.
Enjoyed the video, your presentation was quite funny. Reminded me somewhat of Red Green (remember him?) The key fob issue is common on just about every car that has one. That very thing happened to me (2014 Ford Escape) when I took my wife to the airport and she had the fob in her purse. Luckily I was able to get her attention in the terminal before she went into the security area. That would have been one costly mistake. I had a brand new 1983 Jeep Laredo back in the day when AMC made them, OMG, what a piece of crap. If TH-cam was available back then, I could have made a two hour video on what was wrong with it, and a two minute one on what was right. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to make the video.
Thank you, please do an update on how problematic or not the jeep has been after another 21 months or so of ownership. I really would like to get one of these, but I have heard that there are reliability issues and JD Power gives them the lowest rating for reliability.
No trust me you want the new one he’s just nitpicking I’ve had one for a while now and I absolutely love it the updates and upgrades done to the new JL make this thing a beautiful every day driver in comparison to the previous models.
I traded my JK Rubicon in for a Tundra. Yeah, I would be exhausted from driving on-road. My '18 Tundra has the TSS and automatic high-beams. Really makes a difference.
No idea if it's mandated or not, but when 100 million vehicles with this technology are on the road, zillions of gallons of fuel will be saved over the long haul.
We're starting to sound like cranky old men, but I totally agree. I will never buy a car with a dang LCD screen in it, or auto start-stop. Guess I'm not that old though, because I do like ABS and traction control.
@@Liberty_Offroad 29 years old here. I rebuild and fix my own cars, and I refuse to drive anything with traction control or ABS (although I would prefer a way to have an ABS system in the rain, but revert back to a prop valve system in the dry, havent figured out how to do that yet). Traction control and ABS for me seem dangerous. Also, I refuse to drive anything with a computer that does anything other than make horsepower. One time I had a nearly deadly scenario happen in the first year of the coyote powered ford F150s. I had a real nice drift going on a left turn to test out the motor (was a rental pickup for getting a fridge) And it waited for me to get about a 40 degree deviation from where the truck was pointing to where it was going, (all this with all of the nanny equipment turned off) Then it did a full cut of all engine power, Nearly sent me into a pole. Luckily I reacted fast enough and countersteered sharply to avoid the pole. ^ Thats just an example of how traction control and stability control systems can try to kill you even if you have them turned off. My other no-go on cars is cars that use V-belts instead of serpentine to drive water pumps.
You know there was a girl that follows my channel had that annoying rain leak at the front doors of her Wrangler. I used my rubber roofing seam tape and a piece of rubber to deflect the water back to the windshield area. I don't suggest trying it yet till I know how the thing works out 4 her... I haven't heard back from her but it does not mean I won't not yet too early to tell.
It is much easier to work on computer controlled vehicles then mechanical. I learned that almost 20 years ago when my computer controlled fuel injection on my motorcycle could be hooked up to a computer and remapped. That's much easier then fiddling with jets in carburetors. The problem comes when the computer crashes or memory corrupts and you can't finagle a kotter pin and some bailing wire to get home. Sometimes vehicles meant to be taken into remote locations need to be able to be finagled.😁
I think a problem unrelated to just Jeeps, but related to all new cars, is dealers will finance almost anyone which then artificially drives up MSRP on cars. Therefore, you get all these cheap "fixes" to previous model prices and MSRP remains the same. Sometimes I get jealous of newer JK and JL rigs but I love my 96 XJ even more after watching this.
What I took away from this is I was better off buying my JK. It's been about a year with no problems at all. No leaks, creaks or major fuck ups. But the biggest positive for me is the lack of all the electronic controlled shit, power windows is as advance as my Jeep is and it took about a month to get used to the location
@@aquaman0167 after much pondering over my next vehicle I think the best choice for me will be RAV4 hybrid , gas is going to go through the roof and if I knew it will hover about present cost than I think I would get the Wrangler 3.6 L , Ford looks good but unfortunately that's all those cars do well
The auto stop start is a deal breaker. The oil issue at steep inclines and loose steering are flaws they should have caught and resolved before going into production.
The whole issue with the key means you don't look at your speedometer enough. A notification pops up letting you know that the key has left the vehicle (I've noticed this in my girlfriend's new Grand Cherokee).
welcome to FIAT Quality Bye Bye Jeep. I was actually considering buying a new JL or JT, but the JT is just a platform made to sell you a bunch of wiz bang bullshit that just increases the price $10k and the JL just showcases how FIAT's partnership has begun to ruined Jeep. Maybe I'll check out a Tundra. I would recommend more videos of Matt getting in trouble by his wife that was hilarious lol.
Love the video, but a quick correction. The auto-start does not use the starter to reengage the engine. Its a really cool system that is like an alternator that is directly connected to the crank shaft.
The steering wheel movement would be enough of a deterrent to prevent me from purchasing this vehicle. I need a reliable steering system that does not require constant manual adjustment to stay centered in the lane.
A few of my own thoughts... 1) The hood latch is to reduce hood flutter which had been an issue with Jeeps at high speeds. 2) EVERY modern late model car will require software updates. My 2015 Mustang has it too, its done by USB and a download from Ford. RTFM. 3) You can get the sound dampening option, or an after market kit for the roof which will cut down the rain noise. It's a Jeep... A 5.0 mustang isn't really a quiet car either so it's par for the course. 4) The windshield has always been an issue as it is almost perpendicular to the hood and rocks don't skip off as easily. The windshield drops down so just do that! ( Sarcasm). Remember, you are driving a brick into the wind! 5) If the plastic parts break, FCA will most likely replace them under Warranty. 6) Get a tray with velcro on the bottom for the groceries if you have to unload on a hill. Same would happen on my Murano. It's not just a Jeep thing. Use your head. 7) All my cars with push button start will still run when my wife walks away with the key. It happens all the time. The Murano and Mustang beep or honk if the FOB goes too far away but sometimes not until she is already in the mall... DOH! 8) Yeah, window controls don't have to be on the dash in reality. it's just a switch. It's one of those "It's always been done this way" things. The window motor, power and all the electronics are already in the door. That should have changed long ago. 9) Auto stop\start is incredibly STUPID, I agree, at least you can program it to be disabled. It is disabled in 4W low as you DON'T want the engine shutting off when doing a tricky ascent or descent at MOAB! 10) Water dripping in... I have a Mustang convertible so I feel the pain. It's part of the ownership experience!
Have you had to replace the oil filter housing yet? They're a common fail item, made of plastic. They fail and leak coolant and/ or oil making it completely in drivable until you fix it.
Great video..thanks for doing this! No.2 has kind of killed it for me. I noticed a significant reduction in road fatigue when I moved to a Used 2008 WK from a 2012 JK 5 years before. It makes a big difference on long road trips. Was seriously considering the JL but looks like they didn't make much headway in that department. Regarding the 'key' thing...thats a total bummer! I also drive a Mini Cooper (2015) and I remember it issues a warning once its few 10's of feet away from the key while you are driving.
Watch out, it is a lady’s Beatle (70%), that is why you should not touch it, a friend told me: Get an old Jeep, so you can mess with it and get a dent, no worries. Thank you for this video!
I'll stick with my 97 Jeep half door soft top TJ, it's already computerized enough to cause some problems. A Lexus killed a whole family, because the accelerator got stuck full throttle and the computer decided to keep the doors locked, keep it in drive and the engine running.
The thumbnail looks exactly like the Lite Brite video for the 5 things they didn't like. The the shirt, arm placement, and even the WJ! in the background. Why am I just noticing that.
I hate auto start stop. However, it’s not supposed to shut off your AC. I have 2 jl wranglers. A 2021 and a 2022 and neither of them shut off the AC when the engine stops for auto start stop. You may have a technical issue with it.
The "auto park shift " feature was added because a couple of people were killed when they got out to check the mail, or open a gate and thought they put it in Park, but got it into neutral instead. Jeep rolled forward and crushed them. Shotgun approach to CYA for the manufacturer...to protect them from stupid people doing stupid things! I figure "auto parking break will be next, anytime you stop forward progress the parking break will auto set and auto release when the gas is pressed!
I just got my JL in a few days ago. But mines way different. I got a sport manual transmission. Crank windows, manual locks soft top. I’m gonna try and get a tour video and my thoughts of it up. Thanks for pointing out other issues though. I’m definitely gonna check that stuff especially the foam.
MY 2015 KIA optima ..... any time the key gets too far from the car ( and a 2nd inst inside ) , it lets out a conveniently long and annoying beep. Also don't quote me but i think it reads a message on the instrument cluster as well. Additionally if there are two keys in the car and you get out with only one of them, you cant lock the door using the button on the door. but you can lock it with the 2nd fob from outside the car. It knows you left a key inside so its basically impossible to lock your self out. Another cool thing , there is a little socket in the glove box to stuff the key into if the key battery is dead but with the key inserted... its basically in the "ACC ignition" mode. You have to take it out to turn the car all the way off. The actual key blade only inserts into driver door. There is no key hole on the glove box or trunk which is a little crappy. otherwise the car seems to be very aware and generally lets you know about about the key or keys availability. You'd think jeep could use some of these same ideas.
Well, it's not likely I was going to buy a jeep anytime soon, but I think the "not likely" has now changed to "definitely". Quality control and common sense have gone out the window. There is obviously a serious problem with the steering servo. How can they get away with all this stuff?
People complaining about the play in the steering are probably mall crawlers who’ve never driven jeeps before. When I’m getting tossed around like a ferret in a washing machine going off road, I’m happy to have the loose steering.
Good video. I have a JKU Sport for my daily driver and a JK Sport for my wife's daily driver. I got each for $28k. They are fairly well loaded too--AC, PW, PDL, Running Boards, etc, The new JL starts at nearly $40k, so up to now I've thought of that as my only reason for not trading up. But this video got me to thinking about the complexity of the JL electronics. Ugh. To me, the more electronics that control the vehicle for me, the more crazy problems there are lurking around each corner. I now have two reasons to just stick with JKs. My wife and I absolutely love these two Jeeps, and in 8 years I've had only ONE repair: My radiator needed replacing at 89,000 miles. Hers hasn't been in the shop yet. BTW, the new radiator was less than $300.
Great video, thanks for that. The JL just came over to Germany last year and I seriously considered to buy one. But I think I should give Jeep some more time to fix these serious issues. Especially the imprecise steering, keyless with no warning and the low quality of plastics and rubber sealings do worry me a lot.
I have a 2019 JLU, I like it, but I have a different set of dislikes: I really dislike the engine auto off/on feature, the 3.43 gearing, soft top cannot open partially, FAD.
In the interest of time, he basically doesn't like that it's now a little more up to speed and catching up to a modern day SUV in terms of form and function...coupled with the some cheap foam in certain places.
It seems some of these things have been worked out. I've owned my 21 JL Rubicon for 6 months and have had no issue with most of the little things you have. The seatbelt felt, the release to fold the rear seats. What are you doing to that thing? Haha. Also, I found if you push down on the fender a little the rocks will fall through into the wheel well and to the ground. Last thing, your complaint about the radio update, you are going to have to accept that in all new vehicles. Also, the 21 JL Rubicon will not move if the key leaves the car 🤷♂️
Jeeps in general use the cheapest of plastics. . . I would never spend 40K for a Jeep due to that reason alone. I own a 99 Cherokee Sport and all the plastic parts break very easily and a lot of the screws that hold the plastic interior parts don't hold anymore! Some things never change!
Yah, spending 40K on a vehicle with such stupid little issues is the worst. I wouldnt pay 20K for one with 0 miles. I think they are the most overpriced vehicles on the market.
I have the Jeep Wrangler JL What I don't like out of those nine things: the most is the rain coming in from the gutter in your door and the vehicle going into park when you open the door, my two pet peeves! As far as that steering thing you talked about my dealer ordered me what they call a TRACK BAR that's supposed to help with that, but it's been 3 months and I haven't seen it yet. And I had salt water coming in the back during the winter, the dealer told me that it was the back window and that its a design issue so they ordered a new redesigned back window, but that hasn't come in yet either, they probably haven't designed it yet!
Hilarious, great video! Funny thing is I drive a tundra also. Just bought a JL rubicon as a third/ fun vehicle, having driven it 30 miles, so far I love it. I’ve owned 4 other previous generations of wrangler, this is by far the best one on the highway. I’ve owned two land cruisers, including the mighty 80 series with lots of expensive off-road gear. They too break and when they do it’s freakin expensive. Any paint issues?
I do hate the auto parking thing - does it to me all the time in my driveway. I am going to have an excuse for a much nicer diagnostic tool eventually to trouble shoot it going forward .....
Wife's 2013 Escape will honk twice if the keyless fob is removed from the vehicle. Just stepping out the door while the engine is running, it will honk (can be annoying though). Jeep seriously could have done better on alerting when it was removed from the interior. I think massive amount of electronics is sucky. Even the aforementioned Ford Escape has a lot of stuff going on electronically and it does intimidate me a bit and I've been fixing my own vehicles for 18+ years.
As far as the groceries, you were parked on a pretty steep incline, which is still pretty shitty to have happen regardless, but I've honestly never seen that happen with any previous jeeps so I don't see why These 4door wranglers are that way. Sure do miss the old cherokees and grand Cherokees and wranglers, where they weren't all computer and Could easily work on them and mod them.
The complexity of designing a new car with this many system is going to have bugs. I'm sure many people know the absolute mind boggling amount of code it takes. Like or not new cars are becoming more and more computerized. This is the reason we get more hp out of a v6 today then we did 2 v8s from the 80s and get better mileage and reliability. That said it sucks cause I like to tinker and these manufacturers are doing everything they can to make you bring it to them for repairs. My dad has a 2016 grand Cherokee overland, the damn thing has 15 computers, no way he or myself are touching that. Looks like the jl is going in the same direction, but they have to so they can compete. Guess the whole argument just reminds me of the fight against fuel injection. Its here to stay just gonna have to get used to it..
But that is some surprising cheap materials for the price range, and hopefully they will have a few of the bugs and oversights fixed soon. Can't believe you can drive off without the key. No one thought to put a proximity sensor on a refresh rate.
I think you're right, but I hate computers... 😪 I'm too old to learn new skills.
BleepinJeep are you going to keep the JL? What about a grand Cherokee overland v8?
Horsepower numbers dropped in the late 70s and 80s because of the oil crisis and stringent emissions policies, not because automobile manufacturers couldn't build an engine. Yes, you can get more power out of less displacement by manipulating fuel maps, timing, and cam profile by using a computer to monitor parameters thousands of times per second in today's world, but formula1 reached the limits of the combustion engine in the late 80s and early 90s (about 1 hp per cc). Now its all about thermal efficiency. And the major tradeoff to that is reliability.
Most new vehicles have mey fobs only, not a jeep thing. All new cars have comlex electricals systems, not a jeep thing, this thing is the first gen of jl, none should be surprised that it has issues
And please take a firarms safety course before you hurt someone
Most of my JK issues were fixed by adding a super loud stereo.
Same with the TJ lol I just said screw it and accepted that having a conversation at a normal speaking volume on the highway was overrated anyway
@nigelcobalt blasphemy
John Kaldeway ha
All of my JK issues were fixed by not buying one, and keeping my 300k mile and counting, $400 craigslist V8 ZJ that'll stomp mud holes in the vast majority of the mall crawler JK's.
this is so true hahaha havent had road noise in years but my ears are a bit less than they were when i got a jk ;)
" a pregnant bug" LMAO ..idk why i laughed so hard at that!
I bought my '12 JK brand new, trading in my '98 TJ. I still really like it. It's my 5th Wrangler, in a row.
But I won't be buying another new Jeep. They are not aiming the new ones to their previous customer base. They have become overpriced, tech heavy, complicated vehicles, that are designed to be brought to the dealership for service.
Am I the only person who thinks the new pickup is going to be a quick ending fad? Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Subaru Baja, Hummer HT(?) , people that bought these soon realized that they either needed a real pickup bed, or they didn't need a pickup at all.
@Andrew Pearson
You do understand that baby boomers are dying off and that manufacturers have to appeal the younger masses, right? They like techy gadgets and stuff similar to that.
@@Sig721Tau or appeal to millenial soccer moms wearing lululemon leggings.....
It's crazy how people complain about things on new vehicles when every vehicle that I have ever owned has had these same issues! I've had previous vehicles with worse issues that they shouldn't have had. There are new vehicles on the market from all manufacturers that have issues. I have to constantly remind everyone that these machines are built by humans who aren't perfect. No matter what vehicle you get, some have issues and some don't. BLUF: Drive what you like, like what you drive!
- Many of the issues mentioned boil-over from the JK
- Cracking winshield - unless you got a 2007 - 2011 windshield, expect cracks on a yearly basis
- The seatbelt buckle sticky fabric - This is also found on the JK and is designed to prevent your buckle from scratching the center console.
Im glad they include it as a stick on fabric - makes it easier to replace when it wears out (or peels off) imo.
- The Tailgate window seal - Same as on the JKs. i work in a wrangler mod shop and you might be surprised, but those seals rarely need to be changed.
- Tailgate - like JK's, taking out the panel covering the trunk pocket is the only way around that one on most wranglers since the tailgate started coming out sideways
- Rocks in the Fender Flares - JKs have that issue (slightly less so). I guess its the price we pay to have removable fender flares.
- Comfortability - you have to look at where the wrangler is coming from. The JL's interior is superior to the JK's, which was superior to the TJ's.
Not many vehicles come with dead pedals - the JK and TJ didn't - luckily, thats where the after market comes in
To allow the Tires to stick out more, the body needs to stay narrow - obviously this cuts out shoulder space.
The JL has a telescopic steering wheel, giving you much more comfort than the JK fixed steering wheel distance.
- Play in the steering wheel - Same for all Wranglers - the steering system has a lot of joints in it, and each joint contributes to some play. The play is necessary in order for the jeep to handle larger tires or rough terrain. You can easily tighten the steering box to your liking to reduce the play, but the tighter you go, you might find that its road manners on ruts and uneven roads at higher speeds become jarring, unpredictable, and difficult to manage. (very similar effect to having a steering damper that is too tight).
How long will those little foam pieces last? Just long enough to get the vehicle past it’s warranty period.
So true 🤣
Sad to say but true. What in the world isn't like that nowadays
@Veiled Heat but thats Mopar not Jeep itself.
Veiled Heat no more
@Veiled Heat Not anymore apparently. I just bought a new 2018 JL sport and was told MOPAR stopped the lifetime warranties because they were losing too much money.
This is why you don’t buy brand new models the first few years of production.
Joby Fluorine so the windows being weak isn’t a sign nor the recall for the faulty frame welds or death wobble. Yes it’s a old wives tail but I’d never buy a brand new off the lot the first year ever. Why be the ginny pig for everyone else who wants to wait and see what there like and what the reviews are on them.
The flaw in this logic of "don't buy brand new vehicles the first few years" is that it can really only work for a small few. If nobody bought a newly released model, then that "beta testing" would never happen, and by the third or fourth year of production (or whenever you say to buy) the vehicle will STILL have all those initial problems. Besides, this is why warranties were invented.
Joby Fluorine not a wives tale, on the new ford pickups the 2011-2012s are garbage compared to the 2013+ trucks. They improved the motor design and the turbo.
@Joby Fluorine bugs do get ironed out after couple of years sparky whether you believe it or not..
Joby Fluorine so 11 years later they still haven’t fixed the window issue LMAO because that’s just insane.
The JK and JL just make me love my TJ more! Lol
AMEN FUCK THE NEW JEEPS AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THE FUCKING STATUS SYMBOL WANTING SOCCER MOMS CAN HAVE THEM ILL KEEP MY CJ AND AM DROPPING A CJ ENGINE IN MY TJ
I know it will be a lot of money but cheaper that a new wrangler, but I want to eventually drop a Cummins R2.8 in my TJ!
@@jokerchris1 Seriously! That 2.8 is my dream engine swap for the tj....but with how much that'll cost I want to get a different tj preferably an 06 LJ for the extra cargo space and longer wheel base on trails
AMEN!!!
TJS YJS CJS AND ARMY JEEPS ARE THE ONLY REAL JEEPS. THE NEW ONES ARE ONLY ROCKETSHIPS WITH 4 WHEELS AND A JEEP EMBLEM. ALL JEEP IS DOING IS KILLING THEIR OWN BRAND!!!
Jack L love my 06 LJ.
Guy buys Jeep, doesn’t realize its a Jeep
My ‘97 TJ is keyless start as well. A few will understand. 🤪
Just keep a flathead screwdriver handy.
Haha! I had a 98 that was also “keyless”!
Would that be the screwdriver version or two wires?
You can disengage the AutoOff mechanism (that shuts off the vehicle at a stop), by removing the plunger switch under the hood, laying it horizontal to the frame and zip tying it off. This will give you an small AutoOff warning light on the dash, but you no longer have to worry about it shutting down the engine. This is easily reversed by simply reinstalling the plunger switch.
Don't own one but looked at a lot of them today. He's absolutely right about the hood latch. I was like wtf!
Bought one lol. Yeah good latch is strange...PLUS...the good prop is on the hood. So you pull the standing rod down. Must be a Fiat thing.
The auto stop/start was my most hated feature until I installed a bypass module that remembers if I have it shut off. Now it’s the water that dumps on me when I open the door in the rain.
Most of these issues are the same on the JK. The steering is exhausting on long road trips in my 2016 JK and the road noise... . One of the best upgrades for comfort I've made to battle the epic amount of heat the roof gives off in the summer and road noise is a hotheads headliner.
I feel that all makers have been move this way, they don't want problem solver, the want consumers
@Strong man no need for an economics lesson, been around to see it get to this lol
@olds767 exactly, it's socialism and government intervention that turned these jeeps into mall crawlers. safety standards, emissions controls, mandated airbags, etc
Thanks for the informative review of the JL. When it was introduced, I was tempted to order the Rubicon in exchange for my JK Sahara I got new in 2011. Now I’m happy I didn’t. I’ll keep building my JK and ride off into the sunset with a more capable vehicle than any new JL off the floor. Thanks again for your great Jeep videos, I’ve learned a lot from you. Happy New Year 2019.
BTW, that was a perfect representation with the split screen JL vs. Tundra.
With the key issue I work at a Jeep dealer and when I drive them I put the key where the cup holders are right where there is a spot for a phone that little spot actually fits the key almost perfectly
It better be a sat phone.
Dude sounds EXACTLY like Mr. Rogers
Yessssss!!!!!!!
We have had keyless starters for 5 years now and have had no issues like you described.
It auto turning off the ac would be enough for me to not want the car.
Ps. I wouldn't recommend paying full price for a jeep, last year about this time they were selling a 35k for 20k.
Too many cheap fixes that won't last, I would rather get an older version.
The A/C and other electronic devices stay on when the vehicle auto stops/starts. The statement in the video that it shuts off is false. Plus, you can turn the auto start stop off permanently through the menu.
im 6'6 400lbs, i have no issue with room driving my '18 wrangler JLU sport
Dustin Pemberton yeah, I’m starting to think this guy is just a giant puss
Your shoulder does not jam into the pillar? I am only 6 foot and 300 pounds and I had to sit with my upper body twisted because my shoulder was jammed into the pillar of the one I rented.
Badger Pa No disrespect, but you're probably going to be a little smashed in any type of vehicle. Cars are made for average sized people.
I’m right there with you on the foam, that’s going to be an issue. I wonder if silicone replacements can be cast. Shouldn’t have to do that on a $40k vehicle. It seems the carmakers are in cahoots with the banks, knowing people will finance so they can raise the price.
Thank you for all the useful info. I owned a Jeep back in the 90s. My main complaint was that the fuel filter was in the gas tank. If you had to replace a cheap $10 fuel filter because it was clogged, you also had remove, and replace the gas tank (very expensive). I don't know if Jeep still has this poor design, or has fixed it.
JL! taking all the flack and hate off JKs :P ty! lol
@Andrew Pearson XD lol
These added up enough to take the 1st year (at least) model totally off my list, ever. (And I'm a tech wizard: it's my living.) What hath Fiat wrought?
The key issue is with every car with push button start
Farbod Fatahi not all cars mine is a push start but it will not move if the key fob is not in the car
Farbod Fatahi my 2013 Lexus GS gives a warning on the dashboard and a beep that the key isn’t detected inside .. it’s almost 6 years old
no it's not (Lexus)
My steering stabilizer was replaced by Jeep 2x with the factory stabilizer, and finally the dealership put an aftermarket Fox stabilizer on and it fixed the death wobble!
I noticed something very similar with the 2019 Dodge LongHorn Ram 4x4 as well. I'm a commercial over the road 48-state driver and it takes some "getting use to". This is a Jeep, it is for offroad applications, it isn't a comfort vehicle. It sounds like the Jeep does exactly what it is designed to do, a livable off-road vehicle, except the engine locking up, that ain't cool.
Theres a lot of electronics for an offroad vehicle...
@@bleepinjeep dang, I'm starting to miss the old days...
A lot of these issues go back to previous Jeeps. The TJ didn’t have any arm rest whatsoever, and the hardtop/seals are nearly identical to the JK. The JK also has that water leak when you open the door in the same place, and the window controls in the center. I do believe that the seals in the JL look a little thinner. The hood latch thing would piss me off too.
I drive a 2 door JK with the regular hydraulic steering. It drives the same as my friend’s ‘97 XJ and my 04 WJ, but that makes sense because they have the same axle and steering components / geometry. There’s play, and it will always strive for the ditch on a heavily crowned road. However, I do believe there is an issue with the electric assist steering in the JL.
The key thing is plain dumb. On a new Grand Cherokee with the engine running, the Jeep will beep at you if the key leaves the vehicle and will continue to beep until it’s returned.
The JK also has issues with rocks in the fenders, but not nearly as bad.
And the engine stop start is very annoying, and government mandated, but it can easily be disabled by disconnecting a cable under the hood (there’s a TH-cam video about this) and plugged back in to work at any time.
Enjoyed the video, your presentation was quite funny. Reminded me somewhat of Red Green (remember him?)
The key fob issue is common on just about every car that has one. That very thing happened to me (2014 Ford Escape) when I took my wife to the airport and she had the fob in her purse. Luckily I was able to get her attention in the terminal before she went into the security area. That would have been one costly mistake. I had a brand new 1983 Jeep Laredo back in the day when AMC made them, OMG, what a piece of crap. If TH-cam was available back then, I could have made a two hour video on what was wrong with it, and a two minute one on what was right. Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to make the video.
LMFAO! I was totally thinking Red Green too! Canadian tv show.
The groceries...okay, that was good👍👍😂😂😂. Yeah, the steering would be a thing with me???👍
Thank you, please do an update on how problematic or not the jeep has been after another 21 months or so of ownership. I really would like to get one of these, but I have heard that there are reliability issues and JD Power gives them the lowest rating for reliability.
Just an FYI concerning a place to put your key fob. That little spot between your two cup holders, that is for the fob.
Wish I hadn't seen this lol. Makes me question my decision to purchase the JL now!!! Might as well get a JK and save! lol
No trust me you want the new one he’s just nitpicking I’ve had one for a while now and I absolutely love it the updates and upgrades done to the new JL make this thing a beautiful every day driver in comparison to the previous models.
It has a place for the key...it's the little section between the 2 cup holders. 🤙🏼
yep and in his pocket like everyone else. never in 35 years has someone else held my key while I was driving
jean marc Giroux 35 years ? Wouldn’t you key have to go into the ignition ? There wasn’t no push start.
I traded my JK Rubicon in for a Tundra. Yeah, I would be exhausted from driving on-road. My '18 Tundra has the TSS and automatic high-beams. Really makes a difference.
Yeah switching to high beams and back to low can be so exhausting, if you're a vegan.
OMG I JUST BOUGHT MINE NOW IM COLUMBO LOOKING OVER THESE THINGS THANKS!!!!
Auto start/stop isn't mandated by the government, its done by manufactures who can't meet current emissions any other way.
No idea if it's mandated or not, but when 100 million vehicles with this technology are on the road, zillions of gallons of fuel will be saved over the long haul.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH It saves far less fuel then you think...
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH most people just turn it off.
I hate everything about new vehicles straight up
coffeeshop69er yee Agreed!
We're starting to sound like cranky old men, but I totally agree. I will never buy a car with a dang LCD screen in it, or auto start-stop. Guess I'm not that old though, because I do like ABS and traction control.
Right I will never own a new vehicle
I hate everything about Fiat it’s all the same garbage
@@Liberty_Offroad 29 years old here. I rebuild and fix my own cars, and I refuse to drive anything with traction control or ABS (although I would prefer a way to have an ABS system in the rain, but revert back to a prop valve system in the dry, havent figured out how to do that yet).
Traction control and ABS for me seem dangerous.
Also, I refuse to drive anything with a computer that does anything other than make horsepower.
One time I had a nearly deadly scenario happen in the first year of the coyote powered ford F150s. I had a real nice drift going on a left turn to test out the motor (was a rental pickup for getting a fridge) And it waited for me to get about a 40 degree deviation from where the truck was pointing to where it was going, (all this with all of the nanny equipment turned off) Then it did a full cut of all engine power, Nearly sent me into a pole. Luckily I reacted fast enough and countersteered sharply to avoid the pole.
^ Thats just an example of how traction control and stability control systems can try to kill you even if you have them turned off.
My other no-go on cars is cars that use V-belts instead of serpentine to drive water pumps.
You know there was a girl that follows my channel had that annoying rain leak at the front doors of her Wrangler. I used my rubber roofing seam tape and a piece of rubber to deflect the water back to the windshield area. I don't suggest trying it yet till I know how the thing works out 4 her... I haven't heard back from her but it does not mean I won't not yet too early to tell.
It is much easier to work on computer controlled vehicles then mechanical. I learned that almost 20 years ago when my computer controlled fuel injection on my motorcycle could be hooked up to a computer and remapped. That's much easier then fiddling with jets in carburetors. The problem comes when the computer crashes or memory corrupts and you can't finagle a kotter pin and some bailing wire to get home. Sometimes vehicles meant to be taken into remote locations need to be able to be finagled.😁
Also there is a spot for the key fob between the two cup holders, its a horizontal slot.
Where coke gets all over the key??
@@bleepinjeep where Dr. Pepper gets all over the key
Thought that was a cell phone holder! (Actually, didn't know what real purpose was, but phone fits nicely).
I worked as a Jeep technician for a dealership and I have to say they have some of the worst quality controls that I have ever seen
The spot between your cup holder is a great place to put your key everyday! That is where I put it every morning.
I think a problem unrelated to just Jeeps, but related to all new cars, is dealers will finance almost anyone which then artificially drives up MSRP on cars. Therefore, you get all these cheap "fixes" to previous model prices and MSRP remains the same. Sometimes I get jealous of newer JK and JL rigs but I love my 96 XJ even more after watching this.
Very good job and thank you for sharing!
What I took away from this is I was better off buying my JK. It's been about a year with no problems at all. No leaks, creaks or major fuck ups. But the biggest positive for me is the lack of all the electronic controlled shit, power windows is as advance as my Jeep is and it took about a month to get used to the location
Probably the most realistic complaints from an average buyer .. thanks for the upload
I'll wait for the new Ford Bronco and see what it is like.
probably slightly better quality and better road driving experience but Ford unfortunately isn't Toyota
I’m waiting too but I have no faith that Ford won’t screw it up.
@@aquaman0167 after much pondering over my next vehicle I think the best choice for me will be RAV4 hybrid , gas is going to go through the roof and if I knew it will hover about present cost than I think I would get the Wrangler 3.6 L , Ford looks good but unfortunately that's all those cars do well
The auto stop start is a deal breaker. The oil issue at steep inclines and loose steering are flaws they should have caught and resolved before going into production.
The whole issue with the key means you don't look at your speedometer enough. A notification pops up letting you know that the key has left the vehicle (I've noticed this in my girlfriend's new Grand Cherokee).
welcome to FIAT Quality Bye Bye Jeep. I was actually considering buying a new JL or JT, but the JT is just a platform made to sell you a bunch of wiz bang bullshit that just increases the price $10k and the JL just showcases how FIAT's partnership has begun to ruined Jeep. Maybe I'll check out a Tundra. I would recommend more videos of Matt getting in trouble by his wife that was hilarious lol.
Love the video, but a quick correction. The auto-start does not use the starter to reengage the engine. Its a really cool system that is like an alternator that is directly connected to the crank shaft.
The steering wheel movement would be enough of a deterrent to prevent me from purchasing this vehicle. I need a reliable steering system that does not require constant manual adjustment to stay centered in the lane.
the seat latch happened to me, was a warranty item they fixed in about 30 minutes.
A few of my own thoughts...
1) The hood latch is to reduce hood flutter which had been an issue with Jeeps at high speeds.
2) EVERY modern late model car will require software updates. My 2015 Mustang has it too, its done by USB and a download from Ford. RTFM.
3) You can get the sound dampening option, or an after market kit for the roof which will cut down the rain noise. It's a Jeep... A 5.0 mustang isn't really a quiet car either so it's par for the course.
4) The windshield has always been an issue as it is almost perpendicular to the hood and rocks don't skip off as easily. The windshield drops down so just do that! ( Sarcasm). Remember, you are driving a brick into the wind!
5) If the plastic parts break, FCA will most likely replace them under Warranty.
6) Get a tray with velcro on the bottom for the groceries if you have to unload on a hill. Same would happen on my Murano. It's not just a Jeep thing. Use your head.
7) All my cars with push button start will still run when my wife walks away with the key. It happens all the time. The Murano and Mustang beep or honk if the FOB goes too far away but sometimes not until she is already in the mall... DOH!
8) Yeah, window controls don't have to be on the dash in reality. it's just a switch. It's one of those "It's always been done this way" things. The window motor, power and all the electronics are already in the door. That should have changed long ago.
9) Auto stop\start is incredibly STUPID, I agree, at least you can program it to be disabled. It is disabled in 4W low as you DON'T want the engine shutting off when doing a tricky ascent or descent at MOAB!
10) Water dripping in... I have a Mustang convertible so I feel the pain. It's part of the ownership experience!
Solidifying my intent to own simpler older vehicles.
I’m sure you’ve figured it out by now, but there is a key fob holder between the cup holders.
It actually does save a significant amount of gas to stop and start at stoplights. Watch engineering explained's video on the topic
Have you had to replace the oil filter housing yet? They're a common fail item, made of plastic. They fail and leak coolant and/ or oil making it completely in drivable until you fix it.
There is a spot in between the cup holders that they made for the key to sit in
They all sound like perfectly valid gripes to me.
Great video..thanks for doing this! No.2 has kind of killed it for me. I noticed a significant reduction in road fatigue when I moved to a Used 2008 WK from a 2012 JK 5 years before. It makes a big difference on long road trips. Was seriously considering the JL but looks like they didn't make much headway in that department. Regarding the 'key' thing...thats a total bummer! I also drive a Mini Cooper (2015) and I remember it issues a warning once its few 10's of feet away from the key while you are driving.
Watch out, it is a lady’s Beatle (70%), that is why you should not touch it, a friend told me: Get an old Jeep, so you can mess with it and get a dent, no worries. Thank you for this video!
I'll stick with my 97 Jeep half door soft top TJ, it's already computerized enough to cause some problems. A Lexus killed a whole family, because the accelerator got stuck full throttle and the computer decided to keep the doors locked, keep it in drive and the engine running.
The key goes in the spot designated for it in the center of the cup holder.
The thumbnail looks exactly like the Lite Brite video for the 5 things they didn't like. The the shirt, arm placement, and even the WJ! in the background. Why am I just noticing that.
😁👍
The key holder spot is in the middle between the two cup holders.
I hate auto start stop. However, it’s not supposed to shut off your AC. I have 2 jl wranglers. A 2021 and a 2022 and neither of them shut off the AC when the engine stops for auto start stop. You may have a technical issue with it.
The "auto park shift " feature was added because a couple of people were killed when they got out to check the mail, or open a gate and thought they put it in Park, but got it into neutral instead. Jeep rolled forward and crushed them. Shotgun approach to CYA for the manufacturer...to protect them from stupid people doing stupid things! I figure "auto parking break will be next, anytime you stop forward progress the parking break will auto set and auto release when the gas is pressed!
That's the reason I keep my 1970 4 cylinder Willys to go off road and short trips in PR's winding inner roads.
I just got my JL in a few days ago. But mines way different. I got a sport manual transmission. Crank windows, manual locks soft top. I’m gonna try and get a tour video and my thoughts of it up. Thanks for pointing out other issues though. I’m definitely gonna check that stuff especially the foam.
MY 2015 KIA optima ..... any time the key gets too far from the car ( and a 2nd inst inside ) , it lets out a conveniently long and annoying beep. Also don't quote me but i think it reads a message on the instrument cluster as well.
Additionally if there are two keys in the car and you get out with only one of them, you cant lock the door using the button on the door. but you can lock it with the 2nd fob from outside the car. It knows you left a key inside so its basically impossible to lock your self out.
Another cool thing , there is a little socket in the glove box to stuff the key into if the key battery is dead but with the key inserted... its basically in the "ACC ignition" mode. You have to take it out to turn the car all the way off.
The actual key blade only inserts into driver door. There is no key hole on the glove box or trunk which is a little crappy. otherwise the car seems to be very aware and generally lets you know about about the key or keys availability.
You'd think jeep could use some of these same ideas.
Cool wrist watch at 9:26. What is it?
Well, it's not likely I was going to buy a jeep anytime soon, but I think the "not likely" has now changed to "definitely". Quality control and common sense have gone out the window. There is obviously a serious problem with the steering servo. How can they get away with all this stuff?
if you don’t want the issues buy a mahindra , no electronics
Also not street legal.
People complaining about the play in the steering are probably mall crawlers who’ve never driven jeeps before. When I’m getting tossed around like a ferret in a washing machine going off road, I’m happy to have the loose steering.
Good video. I have a JKU Sport for my daily driver and a JK Sport for my wife's daily driver. I got each for $28k. They are fairly well loaded too--AC, PW, PDL, Running Boards, etc, The new JL starts at nearly $40k, so up to now I've thought of that as my only reason for not trading up. But this video got me to thinking about the complexity of the JL electronics. Ugh. To me, the more electronics that control the vehicle for me, the more crazy problems there are lurking around each corner. I now have two reasons to just stick with JKs. My wife and I absolutely love these two Jeeps, and in 8 years I've had only ONE repair: My radiator needed replacing at 89,000 miles. Hers hasn't been in the shop yet. BTW, the new radiator was less than $300.
Thank you and will not buy one like I was thinking..
Pssst. Put the key fob in the little notch between cup holders, in that little slot made for it.
Great video, thanks for that. The JL just came over to Germany last year and I seriously considered to buy one. But I think I should give Jeep some more time to fix these serious issues. Especially the imprecise steering, keyless with no warning and the low quality of plastics and rubber sealings do worry me a lot.
I have a 2019 JLU, I like it, but I have a different set of dislikes: I really dislike the engine auto off/on feature, the 3.43 gearing, soft top cannot open partially, FAD.
In the interest of time, he basically doesn't like that it's now a little more up to speed and catching up to a modern day SUV in terms of form and function...coupled with the some cheap foam in certain places.
It seems some of these things have been worked out.
I've owned my 21 JL Rubicon for 6 months and have had no issue with most of the little things you have. The seatbelt felt, the release to fold the rear seats. What are you doing to that thing? Haha.
Also, I found if you push down on the fender a little the rocks will fall through into the wheel well and to the ground.
Last thing, your complaint about the radio update, you are going to have to accept that in all new vehicles. Also, the 21 JL Rubicon will not move if the key leaves the car 🤷♂️
Jeeps in general use the cheapest of plastics. . . I would never spend 40K for a Jeep due to that reason alone. I own a 99 Cherokee Sport and all the plastic parts break very easily and a lot of the screws that hold the plastic interior parts don't hold anymore! Some things never change!
Yah, spending 40K on a vehicle with such stupid little issues is the worst. I wouldnt pay 20K for one with 0 miles. I think they are the most overpriced vehicles on the market.
If you hold a magnet to hold the electronic key, the key wouldn’t work very long.
I have the Jeep Wrangler JL
What I don't like out of those nine things: the most is the rain coming in from the gutter in your door and the vehicle going into park when you open the door, my two pet peeves!
As far as that steering thing you talked about my dealer ordered me what they call a TRACK BAR that's supposed to help with that, but it's been 3 months and I haven't seen it yet.
And I had salt water coming in the back during the winter, the dealer told me that it was the back window and that its a design issue so they ordered a new redesigned back window, but that hasn't come in yet either, they probably haven't designed it yet!
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We have a 2008 Wrangler and it's a nightmare to have
need to use an oil catch can so you don't get oil back into your intake.
Hilarious, great video! Funny thing is I drive a tundra also. Just bought a JL rubicon as a third/ fun vehicle, having driven it 30 miles, so far I love it. I’ve owned 4 other previous generations of wrangler, this is by far the best one on the highway. I’ve owned two land cruisers, including the mighty 80 series with lots of expensive off-road gear. They too break and when they do it’s freakin expensive. Any paint issues?
I wish there were more of these types of videos not only for jeep, but for other vehicles. Honest non bias opinions! Thank you!
My 2017 is bad enough but after watching this I'll never sell it. Plus I'll be keeping my 86 Samurai, nothing electronic and everything manual.
When the fob is not present, it should say so on the dash
I do hate the auto parking thing - does it to me all the time in my driveway. I am going to have an excuse for a much nicer diagnostic tool eventually to trouble shoot it going forward .....
I need to figure out what all the different acronyms mean when I hear about jeeps.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. You’re not Mr. Rogers’ great grand son are you? Your voice is so similar.
The electronic mambo jumbo is what I really hate on new vehicles.
Wife's 2013 Escape will honk twice if the keyless fob is removed from the vehicle. Just stepping out the door while the engine is running, it will honk (can be annoying though). Jeep seriously could have done better on alerting when it was removed from the interior. I think massive amount of electronics is sucky. Even the aforementioned Ford Escape has a lot of stuff going on electronically and it does intimidate me a bit and I've been fixing my own vehicles for 18+ years.
As far as the groceries, you were parked on a pretty steep incline, which is still pretty shitty to have happen regardless, but I've honestly never seen that happen with any previous jeeps so I don't see why These 4door wranglers are that way. Sure do miss the old cherokees and grand Cherokees and wranglers, where they weren't all computer and Could easily work on them and mod them.