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What is your opinion about Vars II not putting Mavuika in "top 10 best characters in game" but putting Arlecchino on 10th place?
People are shocked tbh and it brings a question if big youtubers are in reality with the current state of the game and if they didn't board the Mavuika hate train
Thank you for calling out the furina hater. 🙏
People think Cyno is mid because ppl not using him properly make a video on Cyno to put some shine on him; I’m also seeing more videos of Cyno popping up with a new team
Cyno,Ororon,Furina,Baizhu
I NEED Lady Furina 🙏 my c1 neuvilette is just waiting for her
Furina Puller!
people complaining about this abyss being bad for neuvillette have obviously never been a xiao main lmao
Yeah Xiao has it rough.
Which they would make him a little more fun to play than just Pogo Stick
The game is worst if the game doesn't change.
fr the last few abysses have been awful for him 🫠
Neuvillette players are unreal, first abyss in a year that doesn't shill him they think Mihoyo is actively sabotaging
@@puma21puma21well 2 out of 3 floors have enemies with hydro resistance the suanni has super high hydro resistance and the cryo boss also has a sheild thats less beneficial to break with hydro so they have logical reasons to say that but kinda adsurd how he still brute forces everything and dosent care about anything and still has a good usage rate plus all mains have some people who are like that but in most cases neuvillette mains and ganyu etc mains are most i find the chillest type guys
“Orororororon”
I swear, everytime he says Ororon, he adds another “or”
yeah not a hater because i watch every video he upload but it's cringe
Yeah, the joke is getting kinda stale... first time I think it was a stutter and then it went on as a sort of inside joke, but ehhh...
Jello if you're reading this.. listen to these guys and cut with the name thing , the cringe level are getting over 9 thousand
Hahaha I also think, first time I saw this was a brazilian streamer that added a lot of “oro” and then stopped to say: “I cAnT sPeLl ThIs NaMe”
Its a bit lame.
It was funny the first time, like a reference to Arararagi-kun from Bakemonogatari. But now it sounds like even Jello is getting tired of the joke 😭
Bro is the clorinde guy I swear
A true Raiden betrayer.
@@ARatherDapperTapirThe enemy of the eternity
Hot Gun and Thighs 😂😅
😂😂😂
Eh i would put clorinde the same tier as arle , before mavuika arle was slightly better , after mavuika which completely powercreep arle in her role , clorinde >>>> arle
It's not that this abyss is bad for Neuvillette, it's that more or less EVERY ABYSS IN THE PAST YEAR has had at least one side where he's amazing. No other DPS gets that treatment until now that they're trying to sell you Mavuika instead
Every abyss is built around the most recent characters. He's simply good in most scenarios.
It's not that the sides are good for him. It's just that he's so strong that he can bruteforce anything that's not immune to hydro. Even this abyss is easy for him with enough def shred
@@ARatherDapperTapir last abyss first side was literally made with his premium team in mind
Chasca can be any element and can fly so she avoids most attacks. Think she's good at every abyss too. She good in more situations than neuvelette
How is it not bad when the Suanni has insane hydro res for the first half and you need Pyro for the second half 💀
I cleared with my Neuvilette regardless
Benny is dominating from the beginning of time 😂
Xabalanque’s son ! Ain’t no surprise 😂 around his burst there is the sun of Natlan, and the 👍🏾 is just like xabalanque’ fire gauntlet in the story
@@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426the copium is at toxic levels
Nah he was D tier when the game came out and Qiqi, Jean were S tier along with Diluc and Klee, it took a while for people to realize his greatness, you also couldn't use expedition characters in overworld so in the biggening everybody used him for expeditions cause of his passive, it was also a reason why nobody realized his potential.
@ bro , we used him for his burst and it’s still the case today . Back in the day 5star were everything that’s why we didn’t consider 4stars to be good , we expected them to be lower grade free 5 stars . Now it tuned out to be kinda false especially with supports .
The blessings on floor 12 were really significant this time
Insignificant for us who didn't have enough interest in Natlan characters...
@@Illidan-Illidan Watch this comment get crapped on for no reason
You are insignificant for this topic @@Illidan-Illidan
@@Illidan-Illidan First side is still nice if you have Arle but otherwise yeah.
As opposed to the usual not existing before yes they were.
This Abyss was made for Arlecchino 1st half & Mauvika 2nd, seems awfully similar to the current & past banner headliners…
5 years and there are ppl who still don't understand that the abyss only exists as an advertisement to sell the banner characters???? lol what
I'm also a Clorinde lover! She's totally underrated. I haven't used her in an overload team yet (due to unbuilt supports). She's taking care of business in a electro charged team for me. Loving it.
I haven't liked the direction of the Abyss since Neuvilette. Basically, we're losing an endgame that rewards us for heavily investing in our favorite teams.
We have Imaginarium Theater, which is a roster check. The Abyss started off as a DPS check, but lately it's being pushed more and more towards being a character check, so what's the point of Theater anymore? Buffing banner characters for pull incentive is fine, but creating lineups you're gonna have a terrible time with unless you have said characters is just frustrating for anyone who doesn't like/have/want them.
Praying the upcoming event is a sign of a future mode with ridiculous scaling.
Abyss never challenged just DPS, it was more like do you have a team that can deal enough dmg in this specific scenario, and the scenario would change every now and then. That's still the case. If it was ever about the favorite teams, Xiao, ganyu, ayaka mains, and now neuvillette mains wouldn't be in this position.
People generally are encouraged to use their favs in the abyss either if the scenario is in their advantage, or if those characters are invested enough.(With constellations, weapons and such, pretty much anyone can slice through it)
@@arielmk7612 Yeah, that's true. I just mean it's been going further and further down that route with more restrictive element/character checks via mandatory reactions or shields.
I just wish we had engame that lasted for more than an hour
"The abyss started off as a DPS check...". Deym, so this is what happens when Neuvilette steamrolled the abyss during 4.x. It gave us the wrong perception how abyss works prior to that.
Last month I first cleared visionary difficulty theatre and yeah. As long as you have ~4 good onfield dps,the rest dont matter much. Just get them to lvl 70 and maybe talents to 4 if you really want to,slap random +20 artifacts and that's it. Still there is no endgame to properly enjoy heavily invested characters,c1-2 r1 5-stars.
16:57 "let me know if you are looking forward to that powercreep" is diabolical
I think he meant "[...] that powercreep video"
Until this Abyss cycle, Neuvillette has always been able to maximally utilize his BiS team for at least one of the sides. So unless future cycles intend on having both sides have anti-hydro mechanics like this cycle did, I doubt this abyss is "just average/bit below average" in Neuvillette (and Mualani) representation.
They should make Tulipa as common as the fontaine robots were in 4.X. More anti hydro would be great.
I mean, they did kill Venti and threw his body into a pile of dung so they are capable of killing something. I doubt they'd go that far but then again, I assumed physical would be playable by now.
Mualanis usage rate has consistently been this low
Bro tried to sneak Mualani in. Mualani's usage rate has always been on the low side
@@shironasama0445It changes nothing. When they add Tulpa they make the second half Hydro oriented cause they will not block the whole element in both sides (especially Hydro which drives 80% of the teams)
Man I sure love my new Clorinde. If only I could get more than one copy of Chevreuse in 120 pulls for one of her best teams that would be lovely...
Don't worry C0 chev is plenty strong enough
Go for c0 don't pull any constillation I have c5 and it's the same as c0 so am struggling and trying to get c6 which is the supposed increase rest is just her own useless damage
I am in the same situation. Except i have c5 Chevreuse and wanted to finally get c6 but luck was not on my side 😂
C10/C11 Chevreuse owner here
I refuse to believe c6 chevy is real. Her last 2 banners ive done around 240-260 pulls and have got 1 copy
Seeing Wriothesley that high is actually kinda wild. The guy can preform when they finally stop shafting Cryo with enemies resistant to it and or cryo sheilds everywhere you look.
Mualani's power has nothing to do with why her usage is so low, especially with the ley line disorder buff. It's because she's terrible at dealing with the abyss shields on the 2nd half because of her insanely slow atk speed. 2nd half of the abyss is less of a dps check and more of an elemental application check, which mualani struggles badly with.
i played mualani, mavuika and nahida second side. so i had the means of dealing with the void shields.
she felt really good. especially with the ley line disorder buff munching on enemies hp with huge sharky bites
Yeah,if only people knew that almost any pyro+dendro combo is good enough to break those shields to 36*. I used mualani with baizhu+xiangling and got 36* on a continuos run no problem.
Mualani need just a cryo support at top and a dendro support (can be even tighnari) at the bottom.
And does exceptionally well, including better than the characters that was supposed to be better than her like kinich and chasca for bottom half and Arle and anyone else from top
I feel like this happened with Dendro. The Ley Line buffs made Dendro seem so so good, then once the Abyss stopped being tailored to Dendro reactions it has fallen off quite a bit
It hasn’t fallen off at all its just up to par with other teams/ reactions instead of being miles better
I still main Sumeru and have most of my dendro characters built. It still clears stuff perfectly well
I just think people are tired of hyperbloom, plus everyone who built a hyperbloom at the time probably got a lot more options and better results with vertically invested teams
Funnily enough, dendro teams are one of the optimal ones who can break Papilla shield easily. I saw many people in Hoyolab showcasing their clears using quickbloom in 2nd half, even though there's the Spiritseeker there.
@@danielhertz1984 I will NEVER get tired of hyperbloom
I've been watching ur Guides these few months and ur suggestions are really good so I pulled for Neuvi , Mavuika and Citlali frm watching those guides... I can now clear atleast 11 floors thanks to that! Greatly appreciate what you do!
U love watching him and didn't pull clorinde I had to get clorinde for navia and just cuz I wanted to bench Raiden cuz nerds still think she is better than clorinde at c0
@@ykscorpion1575 Just bcz I watch all his clips doesn't mean I have to get all chars he suggests right? ( I mean chlorinde)... I always saw Chlorinde as a Kequing clone in terms of playstyle... Neuvi ,Mavuika and Arle have the most unique mechanics
Video idea. The "new best team" for so many characters includes Mavuika. But honestly is it "thier" team?
Take Navia for example. People are saying that her new best team is Mavuika, Bennett and Xilonen. But that's 3/4 the characters in Mavuika's team. If you replace Navia with Citlali, you're getting more damage.
Even Neuvillette's best c0 team is better off without him and putting Bennett there instead (Mavuika Citlali and Xilonen or MBC for short). Me and my friends have been calling it the "embassy"
Using the embassy just makes us feel bad for pulling for characters. Imagine pulling Chasca and really liking her, only to play her with the embassy and feel like you're better off placing Bennett in her slot
It feels just as bad as playing an on field physical amber with no artifacts in a hyperbloom team. Like yeah, you can clear. And some people will cope saying that they used amber to 36 star. But the last slot on a hyperbloom team barely matters. Why play that character?
It's like putting Citlali on a Kinch team to melt Mavuika's burst. Why are you playing Kinich at that point?
I understand that you get more damage out of Mavuika, but it feels like an insult to Kinich ngl. "You're the on field carry, but I'm better off buffing someone else on your team than i am buffing you" or smth like that. I don't know how else to put it in words
The embassy is probably Ayaka's fastest clear, even if i never switch into her. It just feels awful. The Embassy is a Mavuika team, and I would rather know a character's second best team than be told to to play them with the embassy
after some time you get so many characters that you just play with what you want, sure powercreep is bad but I really running dehya/xilonen dps or xianyun plunge or albedo shatter with all the the broken units than just playing my best teams for the 20th abyss consecutive. There isn't a single abyss I couldn't clear since 1.2 and I have more characters powercrept that wouldn't see the light of day than furina has team options to choose
Exactly, I am tired about contents creators who say Mavuika buffs so many characters, when it is clearly not the case at all because these dps are a damage lost.
The only way for these dps to not be a damage lost is to have their constellations and signature weapons. In this case, Mavuika C0R0 is not necessary on their best teams anymore.
Bennet IS in chasca’s team what are you cooking lmao
This feels like a zyox rant
I understand your rant, but tbh, this is a purely meta take in team composition. Ofc a meta take wouldn't take into account whether a certain character deals the biggest damage in their team, but rather what teams involving that character deals the biggest damage. Someone who really loves Kinich would of course make sure Kinich is the one with the biggest numbers, while a meta player playing Kinich would make sure their Kinich team deals the biggest dmg overall, whether or not Kinich is dealing the biggest damage. Optimal play is not necessarily equal to fun play, and that's just how some people prefer to play the game
"You should've pulled for Mavuika" ahh Abbys
9:39 May we all find someone that loves us like Jello loves Clorinde
Neuvillette is actually too high with how terrible both sides are for him, lol. Just shows how incredible he is
It could also imply that He’s the only character that accounts have that are well built .
But he’s awesome
Average Neuv is C1R1 on that list. People just brute force without second thought.
@@nagorner3791 that’s the dedication fr
@@nagorner3791it's not cuz most people can't save properly
it will just decrease from now on , just watch
I always find it hilarious that every time shielders come out the CCs seem to expect Zhongli will fall off. They always break out their numbers to show he's not that much better. And the vast majority of the userbase that wants a shielder says "oh that's interesting, those crazy people are talking again about their numbers and it seems like they've never played the game". Here's a general clue for the CCs, if you have ever dodged an attack in this game before then you are not in the same mindspace as Zhongli users.
We have to take in consideration that Lan yan is new and like half of the playerbase got her on the 4 star selector so her owned rate is insanely high. Also multiple people don't have her built up. Give a patch or two i can definitely see her climb
that's so true. I don't use Zhongli as much anymore, but I ran Wrio Zhongli Bennet Xiangling on the first side. I didn't want to worry about my stamina, or being vaporized. Just wanted to punch lmao
I think C2 Lan Yan is around the same strength as Zhongli. It's just that people either dont have her C2 or prefer Zhongli's shield and simplicity over Lan Yan's offensive utility. Which i understand fully. Lan Yan is strong only if you need defensive utility and dont have VV on the team already. Most teams that use VV already use Bennett, Xilonen, Citlali, or have a carry that self sustains. She is good but i think people haven't adjusted their mindset to building around her since she is the first anemo defensive utility option that isn't Jean (mid) or Xianyun (niche)
peeps just want comfort... zhongli is the best when it comes to comfort
Lanyan is not even close to zhongli level , she have long downtime , her shields is weaker and most importantly its almost impossible to double swril and you need to do it each 10 sec
25% may not be high, but that amount of loyal Wrio users makes me happy (ik I'm shallow). At least even at disadvantage of being mid by virtue of kit and coverage he still has relatively higher usage-to-ownership rate than his peers like ganyu, ayaka, and some stronger meta units like lyney navia clorinde and even hu tao. Love the dedication of the small wrio pullers and even smaller wrio users up until now. My c1r1 is going c3r1 soon!
OOOH going for that NA constellation!!!! If Genshin continues with their no tall male character nonsense, I'm going to go for that next year. I was so happy when I saw Suanni and brought him for the first time in abyss. good luck on your pullls!
Us Wrio users are loyal 😤🤘
I'm the one who use Wrio to pass through this abyss. With all loyalty to my man, hehe!
i also used wrio in the first half hehe. he's quite underrated 😔 hope more of the genshin community can get to pulling and enjoying him with his rerun soon!
I soloed first half with a C1R1 Wriothesley. I have a video recording of it. 😏😏
Zajef77 - "Clorinde is the best MID character"
So his audio is, MID
I'm biased and will mislead people
~Zajef (if he was honest)
@@Floppyturtle-rt1jw doesn't change the fact that Clorinde is mid.
@@d173adpoolbro got mad about the truth
@@gamerockz2141 zajef also thinks xingqiu is better than yelan and that neuvillette is the best character in the game idk why ur acting like he's some reliable source
I really don't like that direction. It's like the dev saying "Play the characters we tell you to play. If you don't, screw you !" and if you will, you don't have the satisfaction neither. It feels really forced just like HSR (but luckily, abyss is just a little part of the game)
its not as bad as hsr tho fortunately, since its just dmg bonus, hsr turbulence can literally change rotations due to how good they are
@@vilainpabo2074 Abyss has catered to certain elements for years now. Genshin aint HSR thank god, we’d have each patch with 2 units creeping the previous ones.
Abyss was handcrafted for hydro for most of fontaine and dendro for all of sumeru
genshin fans never stop crying
i ain't crying over 60 gems lmao
Mualani lower than Charlotte LOVELY ❤😂
I am a proud wrio haver, I used wrio for 1st phase and clorinde for 2nd 🎉
Idc about the new tier lists, raiden national and hyperbloom still go brrr
Fr , specially in the 2nd side
Faaaax
I think the majority of players are just coping, with their favorite characters, slapping zhongli and a healer on for support. The numbers slightly reflect the meta. But, it's mostly a mess of people trying to brute force their way through with an unoptimized team, because it takes a million years to build one, much less two or more.
Chasca is one of the most underrated characters in the game , her benefits is hidden , her DPS is super high but one of her benefits is how sooo ez to play she is , she's as ez to play if not easier than neuvillette , she have insane range , can deals with all shields since she can use 5 elements
Shes not underrated at all. Look at her usage rate 61%. Thats si high. Shes just not the archon thats why she isnt very high in popularity in general
@@ngm6541but atleast she is not as level as yoimiya before raiden was release. She is strong even the next character that is released is a broken archon and broken support
If you are tryhard in abyss then char being easy to play is not positive. I dislike playing NEuvi and MAvuika cos they are braindead.
Chasca has average 80k DPS she's one of the top 5 DPS right now and definitely isn't underrated what are you smoking
@@ixirion but somehow i gained more stars in abyss by using neuvi-mavuika-citlali-zhongli they're fun to play (i dont have xilonen and i have c0 neuvi)
For Chasca, one huge advantage she has that I never hear anyone talk about is she absolutely shreds the void ward shields faster than any other character and it’s not even close. She makes the second side a total breeze this abyss.
I mean the boss is pretty much designed for her!
Some people online are misunderstanding something. A lot of people were complaining abt "they making abysses neuv unfriendly" or what not but that just isn't true at all. They just stopped making abysses neuv friendly. For the past year they have been making abysses especially for neuv and furina making it so people have a skewed impression on the power of both of them. (I still think furina is top 4 btw and neuv is top 11)
Neuvillette mains will always whine about something.
Despite the fact that the game has been shilling Neuvillette and Furina since two whole years now + buffing him every other patch.
Not to mention that Neuvillette's premium team literally makes top half a joke, but "the current abyss is designed to counter him!!!1!!". Insufferable.
@@gamesdivision6511 can u please show where neuvillete mains have been complaining cause ive yet to see anything here
If you are correct, there should be no water-disabled enemies placed. However, they were placed in many abyss.
@ one side
@@alexsjarif It is rarely happens that certain element is difficult to be used on both sides.
It is not only for him, but also for other Hydro characters.
The hydro traveler is the highest damage dealer atleast in open world if you use a bunch of xaio lanterns before using his burst. The videos are up on youtube.
Thank you for your recent video on Clorinde. I just got her and was so confused by her gameplay. Honestly, she is still pretty difficult for me to play, but I think I’m getting used to it. 😄
I personally always use clorinde with nahida fishl zhongli it's just super comfort and the DPS is great aswell, never had any issue clearing recent abyss with it. And I run her on thundering fury set simply don't see the need to switch to the other set I might try it after 6.0 update once it's added to the strongbox.
Interesting interesting….. I shall continue saving For Wriothesley and praying I win Furina 50/50 :)
Neuvilette isn't bad this abyss. It's just that you get 75% bonus pyro dmg on normal attack on first half and in second half you "need" nightsoul damage. So why would you play him and make it harder when someone with down syndrome could clear this abyss playing a pyro carry first half, cause it has clearly been designed for pyro, and a Natlan carry second half... The real loser here is Arlechino only getting 67% with that first half buff.
Looking forward to the Pyro Traveler video! Since he's my only other Natlan character other than Kachina... but I am saving everything for Xilonen C2 when she comes up again.
I thought Emilie will be A-tier in usage, but didn't expect S-tier. Then again just straights up eat up the shields of the bosses in 2nd half like breakfast.
Keep in mind it's out of people that have her, and she was made for Pyro, which has been supported by every Natlan character
My floor 11 was klee, hu tao, furina, kazuha, second half was navia, xilonen, xiangling, bennet. I would normally do hu tao double hydro, but i wanted more pyro, and my klee is built again since imaginarium.
Floor 12 was navia, raiden, xiangling, bennett, second half was hu tao, furina, citlali, and xilonen. 36 stars. I will say it was close at the end, but using slightly different teams was kinda fun.
Genshin trying to sell natlan characters with the papilla...
Realizes Clorinde deletes it faster than any of them
I just ran through it with nahida kuki xq fischl lmao. matter of fact I prefer that lineup for any enemy that has that annoying shield type compared to mavuika and xilonen.
HB shreds it
If you read the recomended strategy for beating Papilla in IT, the game recommends characters with nightsoul bursts OR fast elemental attacks. So they are fully aware of Clorinde and HB being good against it.
I never even use any Natlan characters with Papilia, what are you even talking about 😅😅😅
Papilla is honestly more of a reactions check
Meanwhile people think that low usage rate means they're not strong. Mualani out there getting every top abyss speed run records since 5.0.
His videos will always turn into a Clorinde ad, won't it? 😂
kinich's best team just being a mavuika team is a perfect representation of the problem with her power creep.
Meh. I mean, I think a lot of people who decided to go for Emilie were thinking that their team would end up being Emilie, Kinich, and Mavuika with a fourth flex slot. And that was a long time before we got any information on mavuika.
at some point, we just have to realize putting citlali on kinich's team just for it to technically be his bis is lame, id rather just do pure burning and not slot in citlali and just have fun with an actual off field mavui
@@XbaconfordayzX bro just because mavuika is at the front doesn't mean she was used as an on field dps ☠️
Since his release ppl said that mavuika would be the final piece for kinich and now that happened and ur complaining???
it is insane really, just leaves a sore taste, the integrity of this game is ruined
@@ISMythix the issue is that slotting citlali, literally a useless support for him, to buff mavui is his bis team, no one is complaining abt mavui being a xiangling replacement if it was emilie burning, the issue is that your basically just using mavuis team with kinich as downtime
I don't understand why Clorinde is not higher. I got her and she literally saved my abyss run
Finally, been waiting for this video
Biggest Clorinde Glazer he glazes clorinde more than Juice glazes lyney 😂
Let them, lots of people will sleep or just hate them if they aren’t spreading the gospel
@@damousx6860not the gospel but, at least spread Cyno well doing as well his recent new team is Cyno,Ororon,Furina,baizhu
I feel that power creep is inevitable because they’re obviously going to make characters better overtime because of learning to develop new stuff and also wanting people to use the new characters it’s natural for it to evolve. However I think some older characters could use buffs.
Mad respect to Neuvillette mains in the Spiral Abyss like myself 😂. Nothing shall stop us from spraying whatever they throw at us to oblivion LMAO.
Your m1 finger is stronger than the rest
Neuvillette with Ororon isn't that bad second side. I played him with Furina Ororon and Kazuha and cleared easily.
Hi Jello happy to see you back- I really hope you enjoyed the break and got some rest! Please don't hesitate to take more if you feel you need them, burnout in cc is for real and you are too valuable to the community
Don't worry Jello! The Genshin's devs are smart enough to balance Mavuika's powercreep by making dog water new characters like Mizuki!
One hits like a truck, the other makes me want to get hit by a truck! 😊
@@hlonghi HSR could never
HSR is releasing new character that most powerful than the old one
She already got powercreept by the hydro traveler using xaio lanterns before the burst in open world atleast. videos are up on youtube.
@@shironasama0445 no one mentioned HSR
I had to use multiple teams in order to 36 star this abyss. I managed to 3 star the last floor easily and the first floor fairly well. The second floor was a _nightmare,_ though. In the end, I used a combination of an Arlecchino Vapemelt team for the first chamber and some Mavuika + Neuvillette abomination for the second chamber. Mavuika and Citlali to break the Void Ward and then Neuvillette to destroy them once the Void Ward was broken. That said, part of the nightmare of the second floor was getting through the first floor with each team I tried.
I got Clorinde by accident on this banner and man she has grown to be one of my favorite dps on my account, even with C0R0 investment on her teams and 2pc 2pc build (i can imagine her being much better once I have her set)
I don't have c6 chev but I think you should precise that she is already plenty strong with c0 chev, at least on par with aggravate teams in my experience
Yeah she may not be an uber broken S-tier character, but her playstyle is probably the most fun design they have but out in the last couple years. While doing enough damage to easily clear all content still.
Whimsy is really nice on her but the burning set does hurt while farming haha
@@SidDorman If you're running aggravate, TF might be her BiS for longer rotations
@@ARCT1Q I believe it is, but I enjoy running Kirara and she fills the couple seconds downtime in the rotations.
I'm so glad i pulled Chiori c1, even though it cost me a Chasca. Her + Xilo is basically a plug and play for any dps now.
The glaze is crazy
😂
Based*
Tbh I never regretted pulling Clorinde on her release... It was an impulse pull bcz she is soo satisfying to play, I can't clear floor 12 with her tho due to skill issue and have a very bad build, but I use her alot on floor 11 bcz man I love playing her...
Always nice to see that ~1% on Beidou. And I've still used her every abyss since I got Arlecchino. Works great on an Arlecchino overload team. And now also part of the 1.2% to use Sucrose this abyss as well. Second half, Sucrose - Mavuika - Xilonen - Citlali. Sucrose on VV and wandering evenstar.
Those buffs did make the abyss a bit of a joke... I hope they don't keep putting floor 12 buffs in place. Or at least put buffs in place that incentivize more unique play styles, rather than playing the characters currently on banner...
I'm once again here in the comments giving a shout-out to my Sigewinne main bros.
That 10% own rate on Wriosthesley might be part of why he hasn't rerun since his release even if it was just he got smacked by bad timing.
its most likely cryo jail lets be real, chiori prob has equal own rate as him, and i sont think emilie was all that popular, and lets not even talk abt sigewinne. If it was for a lack of popularity, then hoyo's insane merch push for him (he has like the most merch of any fontaine character i think) begs the contrary, so they do know he is popular
The issue is they locked things in his c1 that shoulda been in his base kit
Meh. His kit design is... like Raiden unable to cast ult until you pull cons.
Lol hell nah, at c0 he is incomplete and Flawed .
But the worst part is
1) not broken
2) flawed - need c1
This abyss proved to me that skipping Mavuika for Citlali (and Clorinde and the 4 stars on her banner) was the right move for me. I finally managed to make Xiangling work with my Mualani and I still had Bennett for my Chasca on the second half.
Citlali works well with Mualani+Xiangling btw. Xiangling applies enough pyro to keep the pyro aura up, even with Citlali's cryo application
Funny, I have never seen such a small ownership rate for an archon...
It's impressive that even Genshin players are starting to wake up
I just pulled Clorinde because I was really enamored by her design the first time I saw her in the Overture teaser but they fked me up with Emilie in 4.8... For some reason I immediately fell in love with her design & animations and so I had to let go of her and wait for her rerun to get her moreover I already had Raiden and Cyno c0r1 so I wasn't that disheartened.
Right now I am running Clorinde ( Harran r1, Glad 4-piece, 2,7,6 ) with a c6 Chevy, Mavuika, c5 Ororon with r2 Elegy and let me tell u she fells really good I mean no where near Mavuika's no. but enough to make me enjoy...!!!
While this abyss is kinda anti hydro on both sides
You can stiil use neuvi on the first half with his premium team,
And on the second side electro charged neuvi/buregon with pmc. Both can take down the shields of anything and he is still poweful enough to clear easily (even compared to alhaitham spread which is insane how alhaitham fell off for his non hyperbloom teams to feel worse than neuvi's "random shit go!" teams)
Be interesting to see how much Wrio ownership increases on rerun. They’re still warping his pulls by putting him with Furina but I know several people including myself who have been saving for him for a while.
Wriothesley most used cryo DPS character lets go! The Rizzler is hella solid and fun to play, one of my favourite characters to play, and yeah I contributed to his use, used him first half. He works on all sorts of teams.
He just has been gotten shafted by abyss lineups that sh1t on cryo, but dude is hella solid.
And some people still refuse to acknowledge him as the best cryo dps. Unbelievable honestly
@@izzme5204 Most used out of people that own him. He's probably one of the least owned Cryos
I’m happy to see yoimiya getting a boost in usage. She’s a great unit. Sure she gets outclassed a lot by characters like Mavuika, arlecchino and Hu Tao but she is still great against single targets :D
In fact,Aether/pyro traveler is really S rank, he's an amazing f2p option for every single team who's need pyro offield application, but there's the thing, to obtain it you need to complete the full Natlan AQ and a lot of people are behind in this case, so they preffer to stick with the old choice like Xianling.
Best Pyro traveler build is with scrolls of cinder city, ER sands using saceificial sword, the move is always have the elemental skill active for aplication and mantaining the damage bonus (15% for Natlan characters, 6% the rest).
Bennet at least for me doesnt go well with Mavuika for example, if you don't have Xilonen or Citlali, your best move is put Aether with Mavuika (lorewise acruatte) and 2 units of choice for her fighting spirit points, even with both of them, is better choice Aether over Bennet, because you can reach full time ult for Mavuika.
Thank you so much for defending Clorinde again. Best guidemaker fr
People will always sleep on her because she isn’t doing 9.9 mil damage or spinning in circles to clear stuff.
@@damousx6860 exactly, its coz u need to press E after clicking exactly 3 times, which is obviously a very hard thing to do
@@damousx6860Nobody is saying she is not strong but you guys are hyping her to be stronger than she actually is.
Well, I'm trying to get her now, We'll see if she lives up to all the "Jello hype."
@@damousx6860 and thats why we kept sleeping
@@ClorindeFan69I’ll stay 🛌, I have Cyno to carry me
14:52 Chasca main here, we're all using Ororon in our Chasca team because our Citlali is being used on the first half. All the usual reasons for using Ororon, and we think the Master of the Nightwind gimmick on that Ice Boss is funny.
I like chlorinde a lot, I use nahida fischl and kazuha and she still deletes whole domain with f2p weapon. Unfortunately I don't have c6 chev, probably just c1 so I can't try those best teams you suggested. Maybe one day, she'll shine even brighter.
i got her only bc i wanted chev for my arle and im honestly enjoying her bc i love characters where i can spam NA and still deals dmg (yoimiya shade)
she at least useful with the papilla
You don't need C6 Chev
You can definitely play overload teams without c6 chev. Yes she's very strong at c6 but c0 chev teams is pretty much on par with aggravate with clorinde
@@Norio_sensei Then I'll definitely try it, I have all other blocks and hope I get chev cons later on too
@@Dvjuv78 no aggravate clorinde is better without c6 chev. at c6, it's on par with aggravate
not ashamed to admit i pulled mavuika for my wrio
NOT not an abyss for neuvilette? What about the pyro check from the spiritseeker? What about the 70 percent resistance suanni who needs cryo? What about the void shields that neuvi’s teams struggle to break? What about papilla’s shield that neuvi cannot break in his best team, and cannot break it with xiangling instead of xilonen with all the bursts charged starting the chamber? I put xiangling for this and just brute forced papilla with 50 percent resistance with 3 teammates he’s just that good 😭
Neuvi, Furina, Xil, Kaz= Suanni who
@@arthurgeier2545I also brute forced with that 😭
@@arthurgeier2545I also brute forced with that lol
Bro, this is just one time Neuvi is resisted by abyss. Cryo has been treated badly for a long time.
@@arthurgeier2545 its hilarious that you can still just bruteforce the resistance checks with neuv premium.
Neuv is still my main love.) Sooo comfy! Especially when you only play a bit in a day since, you know, real life things. And I love Water as an element (and not just in Genshin). Arle and Mavuika are quite amazing, nonetheless. I also accidently got Clorinde on the wrong banner (skipped her in the first banner), but I do not regret it, she is surprisingly fun.
the way Alhaitham is just disappearing in the shadow realm💀
Dendro is inches away from being dead.
dendro only really useful on quicken atm lol, it's sad
New age of dendro is kinich and emilie
But also nahida is still cooking
Alhaitham is still strong. His hyperbloom teams feel amazing to play, it's just that hyperbloom in general is a 3 unit core where any 4th unit works. Imo Alhaitham and Neuvilette are the best ones, but the other viable ones are not far behind at all. Alhaitham is also one of the best carries for side 2 cause he breaks the void shields pretty easily.
@ ya but kinich isn't really a "dendro" dps, he just happens to need burning but you could switch him to physical and make him require superconduct (Honestly this would have been crazy cool) and he would be basically the same
@@aronviranyi458It isn’t his achievement for hyperbloom to be good tho
I know a crazy guy who plays mualani citlali team and that teamcomp is cracked, i can say the team if anyone interested
I just got Baizhu to c6 and now I’m working on pulling his weapon. Sorry but Green haired Szayelaporro Orochimaru hybrid fella > downstairs DJ lady.
If you like him more, all the more power to you
People complaining about Chiori's c1 while basically assuming c1 Neuv as the base will never not be funny.
u look tired man get some rest =(
You should try Neuvillette, Furina, PyroMC, Ororon in 2nd half
PyroMC and Ororon have an amazing synergy and just shreds papilla shield since PyroMC does constant off field nightsoul aligned attack it triggers Ororon's passive off field attacks.
1:51 Just Say Oreo !
I absolutely HAAAATE these new Natlan enemies. I’m not even gonna bother with Spiral abyss anymore if this is the direction they are taking
Your Clorinde glazing convinced me to pull her. I ran her with her best overload team and was mildly disappointed, regret pulling tbh. She's not bad but just feels very mid🙄I'd rather not waste Mavuika on her team and just run Mavuika hyper carry or Mavuika with Chasca's premium team instead.
Well yeah mavuika is the best dps by a mile haha everyone is mid compared to her
Also, everyone, Please PLEASE don’t pull DPS because other people like them or because people say they’re strong or even because they are objectively strong. There’s too many. PLEASE pull DPS you enjoy playing and pull the meta things they need to support them.
I got chlorinde on her first banner by accident and believe me I tried making her work but still did not get my answer
The only thing I can say that she is the most flexible electro character in term of teams and options
That alone make her good against multiple abysses cycle as you can just change her team to overcome the elemental check
Also her fast attack speed can overcome the abyssal monster shield if you are short on natlan characters
Yesterday I also accidentally got her weapon (wanted arlacchino weapon instead) so I will see if it’s what I needed to make her shine (doubt it tbh but at least she might be competitive with it)
@@JelloImpact Nah you're right, I only got her because I wanted c6 chev for my c2 raiden. I just thought I'd try her out since she looked fun but I expected more from a top 5 dps 😂 jokes aside I respect your appreciation for her and I love your content 💯
I’m willing to personally further the cause you can DM me your build and your teams and I’ll tell you where you’re going wrong :P you should be at least satisfied with her IMO
Jelloimpact on discord
So happy to see kinich high up there
I'm in the 0.1% of players who used Lynette. 36 Stars too hehe
Wait, this abyss was supposed to be bad for Neuvillette?
I didn't even feel it
I just did arlecchino Bennett, kazuha citlali for the first half to capitalize the 75% NA bonus
and Neuvillette furina xilonen mavuika on the second half
These charts just prove how genshin artificially make units seem stronger / better then they really are
The key line disorder was also ridiculous I agree
Bro every abyss always comes out with a buff for something specific. Where you can beat with another team but specific one would thrive. It's great for having multiple teams, supports and dps alike. Even if it's expensive it still great for people who want to build characters they like.
Nahhh , this abyss is very specific, they are straight up buffing only Natlan characters and giving us enemies who are very annoying unless you have a Natlan character , this abyss is very horrible
@lastbruh62 bro there is no natlan character that benefits more than the knave or yomiya for first half of abyss. Second half alone you can say that for and they always do that based on who's the new 5star releases. Second still can be beaten with reaction teams and no natlan character.
When is the tier list coming? 👀
Had 0 problems breaking the bird's white bar with neuv and furina. Broke even before the energy drain aoe expired. Done by 9min 21s mark. I brought baizhu bec xilo was with mav
They did everything they could to stop Neuvi and still failed lol. Still, the push for Natlan disorders means Mualani will rise u-where is she? WHERE IS SHE?
In my team Still destroying abyss no brain dead neuvillete needed
@@boringfactor8792 Respect
i got mauvika and citlali they are sooo strong together. i'ver been having alot of trouble on my hiperbloom team tho. only 26 star abyss, my highest so far tho. btw i got chlorinde early while pulling for chevruse so i'm looking forward to trying her out
the thing with powercreep in genshin is that the characters get powercrept by new ones, but the endgame doesn't get harder. In fact i was able to clear 2nd half (the one where you get nightsoul damage buff) ONLY with 1.0 4* characters (meaning i don't benefit from the buff on floor 12 at all) and 4* weapons - the good ol reliable Xiangling/Xingqiu/Bennett/Fischl team. All of these characters can be obtained from the paimon shop, so it's not like you have to gamble on the chance of obtaining them. Getting them C6 is a matter of "when", not "if".
I was even able to beat Papilla in less than 90 seconds with this team - no natlan characters required.
It should be noted that Neuvillette is the most used dps among the dps who received no buff at all.
Usage rate is relative, and if certain characters are favored, the usage of other characters will go down.
Very much looking forward to your powercreep video. Curious to see if you share the same views I do. TLDR: I love Mavuika as a character but I think she powercreeps way too much. Especially when we just got a "power spike" in Fountaine. I think Mavuika would feel equally as powerful and fun to play without powercreeping Arlecchino/Neuvillette by anywhere from 20%-60%... I think Natlan is raising the powercreep "bar" too fast..
She is a 30% increase definitely not a 60% tho lmao
And mavuika is the only time this has happened all other natlan characters are rlly not powercreeping because they either fill their own niches or are making older dps better as supports
@@sgtcyb3r207 Fontaine was over a year ago. It makes sense to set a new benchmark. I think this state of "powercreep" is okay as long as there will be no another (or a better) Mavuika until 6.X. Also it's not like other units have gone stale. This Abyss in particular was just very restricted for a lot of reasons. I bet the next Abyss will show balance again.
@@ISMythix Fairly certain I watched a short by Jello Impact himself that stated that Under the right circumstances, Mavuika powercrept Arlecchino by up to 60%. Obviously the average number is more like 20%-30%. I kind of disagree with you, I think every Natlan character besides Mualani has directly powercrept another existing character, albiet not nearly as much as Mavuika. I do agree that the powercreep Natlan characters have brought can be Niche in some cases but powercreep is powercreep, I don't think it fair to say "well its not actually powercreep since it's kind of niche". When you look at Genshins history, up until Fountaine, at C0 almost every "meta character" was within 5%-10% of each other. So for the better part of 3 years the powercreep was negligible. Fountaine came and the "Power creep bar" got shifted up 15% or so. (C0). And again, every meta character within Fountaine was withing 5%-10% of each other. But then you have a character like Mavuika come and Obliterate that bar by minimum 20%+.
I wouldn't play gacha games if I wasn't ok with powercreep, I'm just trying to say there's a big difference between powercreeping slowly over the span of 3 years and taking a large leap in less than 6 months of the previous region.
@@sgtcyb3r207 ok, who has kinich powercrept? He is a burn/burgeon reliant dps who we have literally never had before, sure u can say he's stronger than alhaitham but then by that logic arlecchino powercrept xiao because she's stronger than him but they genuinely don't have anything in common
Chacsa again, she is completely different to other anemo dps cos she's doing anything BUT anemo dmg, so ye she's stronger than wanderer for example but they do different things and the only things they have in common is that they fly and they both like bennett
Citlali again had nobody to powercreep except maybe 4* and I honestly do not care if she powercreeps 4* (on top of this she also made a lot of 4* cryos better cos they can be used together with citlali)
Xilonen is kinda valid, she basically powercrept baizhu (but he is still the clear winner in dendro teams so again not rlly) and she is definitely better than kazuha but kazuha wasn't rlly powercrept by her just that grouping isn't rlly useful (this will change next abyss)
@@rhianx I agree with you, I think its important to have "benchmarks" but I think the characters in Fontaine should have been that "benchmark". We had a 10%-15% power increase with Neuvillette and Arlecchino over characters like Hutao, Yelan, Alhaitham, Raiden, ect.
Now with Mavuika that benchmark is getting bumped up another 20%+.
I've said it a thousand times in other comments but theres a difference between powercreeping slowly over 3 years (Mondstadt-Sumeru) and Powercreeping alot at once in a much shorter period of time. (Fontaine-Natlan)
Tbf Wrio's banner was sandwiched between Neuvi and Furina so only the people who REALLY wanted him pulled for him like mains which probably explains his relatively solid usage rate
i dont understand where this clorinde glazing is coming from , shes not bad but she doesnt really stand out either....
Some of the better dps teams in the game
Lack of reliance on anybody except sometimes fischl (which also makes her crazy flexible)
Good self sustain and range
Its understandable glaze
Not sure either but my clorinde clears I got her in first banner.
My 4th slot team: C6 Mona/ C1 R1 Chiori/ Clorinde + Mistsplitter / Xianyun.
For some reason clorinde performs good in this team.
SHes hawt and cool and thats all that matter
She's the only meta character in the game which have as big of AoE as neuvellite and mavuika , she also doesn't need the broken supports that mavuika/neuvellite needs or really like
@@kingdoom5022Her AoE is Nice, but is not on Neuvi and Mavuika level. Mav and Neuv's AoE is easily controlable, Clorinde's is not and tends to be all over the place except where you want her to be.
But yeah, she aint Bad, but can't hang out with the top5. Top 10? yeah sure.
Tbf the only problem for Neuv is Suanni due to 70% hydro res (but you can easily slot a cryo unit in most of his teams or just brute-force with a lot of res shred), other two chambers on the first side he just obliterates. He has some options to break Cryo and Paipilla's shields as well (Fischl c6, Ororon, hyperbloom), though I personally wouldn't use him there (My c6 Fischl turned out to be c15 Heizou). Also keep in mimd that you aren't forced to get 9 stars in one run, you can switch teams later to adapt to higher chambers in exchange for not getting 3 stars in earlier.
Chasca at 61% glad to see it.
She is op in her new BiS team and i used that and reached 12-3 (only 34 stars though)
@itsmemikazuki I used it too it's pretty strong indeed.
I am currently sitting at c4 lol, I use Layla- chevruesue- Dehya - chasca
And she still clears the fuck out of the abyss.
Glad to see she getting used and some love.
( gonna c6 on her rerun and get supports later )
@Blackv0201 chasca is anemo unit so chevy's passive will not activate
After so many months I still don't really know what Nightsoul blessing and burst are. Largely due to me learning combat mechanics of so many other games released last year.
Personally, got my best record times this abyss with Mualani, then Mauvika and then Arle for top side. Kinich, then Chasca for 2nd side.
Mualani felt a little weaker this time in 12-2 but the bish just one rotates the sunani pretty easily and absolutely destroys 12-1 and 12-3.
Kinich, is obviously the best for the Papila cuz of burning so that side was a breeze.
Overall, fun abyss.
8:50
I am still in pain from trying to pull Chasca’s banner JUST for Ororon but in all my pulls, not only did I not get a SINGLE Ororon, I also lost my 50/50 to Qiqi
In my pain and regret I C6’d Chevreuse this banner to make it up to my Clorinde 😔