You might have gotten an explanation at the Village Idiot on the night after the NG launch. Plenty of people to ask. I happened upon it. Dunno if it will become the goto spot, but worth checking out. 😉 Maybe, I'll see you there too!
@_DigitalDave_ right... I hate to still have to watch him for some information that is teased in the title.. even on 2x speed it takes forever to find any relevant information.. also I bet he doesn't add chapters to the videos on purpose🙃
@@Whataboutit Maybe just look up the origin of a term you're not familiar with? The excuse of ESL doesnt work here. Plenty of English first speakers dont understand industry jargon, whether it be defense, automotive, entertainment, whatever. It's a principle, not a language issue. @Whataboutit How about you just say thank you and that you'll try to do better in the future?
@@Whataboutit no worries, unless you are in the heavy construction industry, 90% of English speakers wouldn't know either. I still laughed when you did your dance.
Still, moon first. As we have all experienced again, rocket science is extremely complex. And Mars is very very far away, so factor 1000 in anything that can go wrong until you get there. Have to do it in steps. Get to the moon, master these procedures, establish a presence, gain experience, then target Mars. As for Pad B, first launch in May, first catch in April, maybe even March.
@@Urufu-san possibly. From what I read you wouldn't need pressure suits on Titan due to its thick Nitrogen atmosphere. You would just need thermal protection and an oxygen supply.
@@ReiseLukas would be also pretty easy to make a base, there are lakes of Hydrocarbons which means plastic and fuel ready to be made, also the soil is water ice. But since it's a long interplanetary journey I agree that we should master mars first (step by step) titan is my second favourite object of the solar system but I think I will never see human there in my lifetime😔
Not sure why you're so concerned about the production rate for starship. They aren't going to ramp up production until the design has been finalized. Considering that they lost the last starship, the design isn't complete. It won't be complete until they can catch a starship and the heatshield protects it sufficiently for reuse. That's not going to happen overnight.
There will probably be some changes even with those initial catches - the catch itself will give them a chance to inspect the intact hardware after a launch, where strained structure and components can be searched for and solutions identified. Flight data is gold, but intact test articles are king.
I don’t understand why people continue to compare New Glenn and Starship. They aren’t even close to the same thing and are built for drastically different primary missions. New Glenn is basically a jumbo sized Falcon 9/Heavy which is amazing but it’s not a competitor to Starship in terms of its ultimate purpose.
Yap. No comparison. But comparison happens not because of Payload capacity but that is the only company which is making significant competition in reusability front.
it could still be years out up that Starship is catched and actually reused; up to that point they are about the same thing as Schwarzenegger - lifting heavy stuff
"It's impressive how SpaceX remains transparent about every incident and how they learn from failures. Every step forward is part of their ambitious journey to conquer space! 🚀👏"
The Booster design is a more mature design that has flown several times before. By using previous flights refurbished raptor engines they get closer to full reusability. Looking forward to the eventual retest of a caught and Starfactory refurbished booster at MacGregor. One step below full reusability. Starship V2 on the other hand is a newer improved design with new issues to solve. They decided to add fire suppression and extra venting to Starship to maximize success of the next flight. Expect them to be removed once Space X resolves the real underlying issue. (Best part is no Part philosophy).
I can't wait for SpaceX to reveal the crew cabin and it's intricate workings such as life support system, navigation system, radiation protection system and the manual overrides for interplanetary flight !
Or the weight involved, including persons, and compare that to that banana. I'm sure there is zero way to haul enough shielding just to travel to Mars. Need dense mass, atomic structure that particles can't sneak through. I said "weight" b/c the whole thing might just fold on liftoff as the 4mm tube crinkles.
Yes. So far Starship has just been a boilerplate vehicle. I think they will eventually have to develop a human-only version of Starship for launching people from the Earth's surface. And the interplanetary version may be so heavy that it will need not only fuel tanker support, but perhaps a cargo launch mission to bring up all the supplies needed for the Mars mission, since the shielding and required spare parts and redundancy will be very heavy. And the LEO human launch version will need abort capability if they ever want NASA certification for manned flight.
@i-love-space390 and they could build a deep space booster to put the ship in an initial speed and return to orbit. Spaceship could go to Mars with fuel tanks still full
There's speculation that the ship won't be a starship at all now for passengers. There's a new facility being built for a new modular ship (Code name: 75192) I kid you not - look the code up! They will assemble this in space which will be launched by x4 starship launches over a 2 week period! I guess the hairy guy will be accompanied by the one and only solo occupant for the first journey until they trial this, then after they'll really punch out production on more cargo ships of this kind!
@@mr1enrollment Yes, he's obviously failing on every level. I feel so bad for him. He's clearly nowhere near as successful as you've become in your lifetime.
@@AlinaTaylor-p4g it's a swedish art piece and is based on the swedish red houses that are so classic for us! The color even has a special name; falu rödfärg! (Falu redpaint)
1.5 to 2 months for a rocket on launchpad 2. Because the concrete should gain strength and reach structural integrity after its last pouring to avoid avoidible mikrocracks and increase the lifetime
Guess you never watched the old star base videos. They were pouring and launching after days pouring if they wanted. They are not using just normal concrete.
Jeez, man. The construction at Starbase is almost cooler than Starship/Super heavy. Those people are sooo smalllll. Imagine how you must feel, standing next to a 200m steel tower, made from, what looks like 1m diameter pipe and huge beams, each weighing 100 times your weight. Imagine being able to say you were one of the pairs of hands that built the Gateway to Humanities interplanetary frontier. My gosh... If only I could just be part of that team.
B.O. really needs a PR department with lots of cameras and details. Because I haven't developed any feelings for this Rocket and I live 30 minutes from where it's built. 🤨 I guess old Jeff has to much money to care if he has rocket fans or not. But we knew an hour after Starship blew up, what went wrong and it came from the head cheese.
For New Glen, does anyone know if the engines were the final design or not operating at full thrust? It’s been noted how slowly it lifted off the pad, if they were maxing out its payload capacity that would make sense but that seem like an odd thing to do on the first launch.
June is the earliest I believe they will have pad A ready for flight. Maybe longer as they will need to do a long list of test campaigns to verify a completely new system… kind of like block 2 starship. Although they added thousands of upgrades, she still didn’t make it back in-tact on her maiden voyage.
Is New Glenn's low thrust to weight ratio a concern? It took more than 10 seconds for the vehicle to clear the tower with almost no payload. Do you think Blue were being purposely conservative with the BE-4s?
No way of knowing, since BO don't share much info. But they've certainly been a risk-averse organisation historically, so there's probably a lot of elements to that first flight and the first flight hardware that reflect "first priority, don't blow up; worry about performance later".
@@robgilmour3147 Good analogy. BO might just turn out to be the Rivian of reusable orbital launch services. Looks nice. Good but expensive technology, which never makes money.
No. I think they get more total energy by using much larger fuel tanks and hence a lower thrust to weight. In fact it appears that Starship is headed in that direction. Later versions of Starship will be "stretched" with rings added to make the tanks larger and of course a "real" starship will have a payload inside and not just an empty shell. Saturn V also had fuel tanks so large the thrust to weight was low. It is by design. Light weight is good but what it really means is you could have lifted more weight to space.
I wonder if Pad B will be used to catch a booster or ship before it launches a stack. Given the IFT-6 experience, it might make sense to have a backup launch tower available to catch the booster if damage is detected on the tower you just launched from. Also, in the first tests where both the booster and ship are intended to be caught, it might make sense to diversify the catch towers.
Some Dude on Mars: "Yeah, just some Hot Cheetoe's. Naw. I can't think of anything else. 5 months? I can wait. See you soon. Later." Another Dude on Mars: "Bruh...! Did... Did you really just order only a bag of chips?" 1st Guy: "Yeah? Why?" 2nd Guy: "They're really send us an empty rocket carrying only a bag of chips?!"
I appear to be missing the part of the video that the title references. Also, regardless of what Elon tweets or posts on X. Starship isnt going anywhere until the FAA release the grounded state of Starship which they imposed after flight 7 due to the mishap. We could be in for a bit of a wait despite Elon posting that he doesnt see any reason for a delay beyond a month.
When do they plan the increase in diameter as previously discussed? They keep building up for the current diameter and will need to reconstruct everything for the planned upgrade.
Blue Origin should embrace openness during the R&D process. The public loves underdogs and forgives temporary setbacks. Rockets self-destructing during testing is the barnstorming of our time. 💥
There is a lot fr churn and action but not fast-paced results. While Starship has been crashing, SLS went to the Moon and back on its first launch and NG reached orbit on the first launch. Yes Starship is different, but Space Shuttle reached orbit with a crew inside on its first launch. Starship might work but it is not yet certain.
@@chrisalbertson5838 It appears that you do not understand SpaceX/Tesla/Silicon Valley style of engineering development. It is very different from the others cited.
I work for a company that has 2 ASU (Air Separation Units) plus we also install bulk tanks and repair. We are even working with another private space company, providing the necessary gases! Did Space X ever have an ASU? I'm amazed there is not a couple ASUs around Starbase to collect the oxygen and nitrogen.
Excellent video and content. Was S33 'Sparky?' Too early to speed up production...esp since they are still looking for point of failure on S33. Wonder if Ship catch attempt will be at different location (either Tower West or KSC)
It makes no sense to build more towers when they don't even have a final version of the ship yet. Block 3 doesn't even exist yet and will be wider. So they will have to tear down everything they are building now and start over again. It's not a logical process.
I was a bit nervous when Felix said that work on the KSC launch facility was ramping up when he’d made the observation just minutes before that the flame diverter for Boca’s Pad B looked small for a booster with the power of Starship’s. I’m a bit surprised SpaceX doesn’t want to wait until it has at least some experience of how Boca Pad B survives a few launches before committing too much on the KSC build. SpaceX does have history on this after all, bad history, with its misjudgment on how the Fondag was going to perform. I assume the concrete tornado during IFT-1 wasn’t part of the plan.
Nobody other than Felix has said that Block 3 will be wider... and that _probably_ comes from him misunderstanding a Musk comment indicating that the vehicle still had plenty of room to grow taller before width increases were on the table.
rapid reusability might require multiple towers in order to conduct post launch examination of the stage zero hardware. until stage zero is bulletproof, more launch sites: more launches. returning boosters and ships wont need to return to the same towers
This recent catch was something to behold. Right before it was caught, the engines gimballed and were blowtorching the tower a little it seemed. It looked like there were some pretty good winds at launch. Anyone know the weather parameters that they use to determine a go or no go?
No, that would slow down launches as then you would have to move the ships and build 2x as many towers. The entire point is to catch and refuel and relaunch from the same tower to save time.
Vor einer Minute erst das Video zu Flug 7 fertig geschaut, und schon geht's mit Flug 8 weiter. Du machst schneller Videos als ich mit schauen hinterher komme. 🤪 Wie immer vielen Dank für die großartige Arbeit Felix! 🙏
Can you imagine a few starships on the moon . With refueling ,resupply , life saving , manufacturing ,all done in reduced gravity . Star Chaser base …..endless possibilities .
Malfunction shouldn't take long, Spacex has already given brief details of the cause. What will take more time is the Debris reports and if any was outside the hazard zone they will need adjusting.
At least a month I’d say. It largely depends on SpaceX. The FAA doesn’t investigate. SpaceX does. Then they come up with a solution, present everything to the FAA and they just judge if it’s enough.
@ No one believes the FAA is qualified to judge/modify/overrule SpaceX solutions. The FAA’s sole mandate is protecting US public lives/property, not mission success. Once the FAA certified Starship’s Flight Termination System, they should have been done. The rest is either political malice or bureaucratic chair-warming empty-suit posturing & meddling.
Mid March for Pad B.. I also think they are going to re-design.. the forward flaps. Its the second time they had an issue with them. Thanks for the episode Felix, you rock!
I struggle to support any company associated with Elon at this point. I love space, but legitimately there has to be a point we can't disassociate a company from its CEO/owner. I don't see how we can just ignore what we saw during the inauguration. We all have eyeballs.
So, the question for BO now is: How many months or years will it be before your second booster is ready to launch? Personal guess here, not this year. They may surprise me though.
@@deanpierre-f4x They have a contractual obligation to fly the two Escapade Mars Satellites in spring. The Mars window is not open for New Glenn in late spring if they want to reuse the booster. Meaning we're looking at a March - late April launch. Since this flight can be done through NASA, the Mishap Investigation doesn't need to be completed before the launch. It most likely will but the point is that the Investigation won't hold back the flight. That is why they're scheduled to fly within the next 2-3 months. They still want to test reusability. If they want to expend the booster, they can launch way later into mid summer. But they want to crack down on the entry and landing burns first
Almost now. SpaceX has several made. Only need s the permit to launch another. It will take some short time as Space X will do modifications where there was a failure. They have the measure of how fast the tan lost its volume of fuel, and the pressure. Ver easy to calculate the size of the leak.
The only way SpaceX is able to move so quickly, and get faster, is by retaining the skilled employees that do the work. It makes me believe that working for SX is a dream job that nobody wants to give up.
I heard him say "I hope in my lifetime." he was just over 40 years old when he said that. This means in reality it might be 30 years before people will go to Mars on Starship. Getting to Mars is somewhat easy but getting back is VERY hard because first you must build a space launch comp-lex on mars with a launch pad and tank farm and fuel factory. All of this is build with robots and then you test it many times and then you can send people and bring them back. NASA will do an Apollo-style landing where the decent stag is the launch pad for the accent stage and the whole thing a relly tiny. That could work on "bare dirt" but Starship needs a spaceport if it is to return to Earth. So 30 years is reasonable. as thy will need hundreds of one-way trips before the first round trip.
QDAs need to be fully enclosed, with only the connector end exposed, with a deflector "cone/cup" that drops over the small exposed connector section, as soon as it disconnects. Simple and easy.
@@bogususer2595 yes and no......in construction many expensive parts can be and are quickly replaced to keep equipment in production while the replaced parts is then refurbished or simply maintained......the 2 keys are what is the most time efficient / quickest and the overall cost effectiveness of the process....if time is the factor then cost takes a back seat....vis-versa....the same holds true....
I’m still waiting for someone to do an in depth on the New Glen mission. Surely there is better video of the mission, debris from the booster, telemetry from the booster showing where it went down, what did the second stage do-any video, has the landing ship come back to port? We haven’t gotten any good info on the first flight. What went wrong with their booster?
Great video. The reason they continue to have problems with the quick disconnect is that it is in the wrong place. When the booster ascends and banks away from the tower its blow torch of flame is pointed directly at the quick disconnect. I hope the renders of the new tower with the quick disconnect on the opposite side are accurate.
It also has zero shielding around the connect lines, but relies entirely on shielding the entire assembly instead. If they put additional plating material above the connect plate, they wouldn't come close to torching the lines. Once Pad B is in operation and the dual-QD's have been implemented, this will hopefully be a nonissue, though.
Please don't misunderstand. I love SpaceX. What they are doing is beyond amazing. That being said, I just don't see "manned" launch and catch for many, many years. What SpaceX wants to do is just so far ahead of what is actually capable.
Ruh Roh, I learned long ago to not say such things in the presence of the true believers and the faithful, for they do not show compassion or reason to the heretics.
Yes. We don't have many other systems to use for comparison, so there's a lot of variation in anyone's guess! SpaceX took just over four years to develop the Crew Dragon spacecraft from the beginning stages to its first mission.
In regards to the New Glenn launch, apparently planned, the 2nd stage left into a high transfer orbit does not seem to comply with the spirt of orbital debris mitigation guidelines. The New Glenn 2nd stage is approximately 88 feet (26.8 meters) in length and 23 feet (7 meters) in diameter. Its estimated dry mass is around 16.7 metric tons. That is a lot of space junk to be left in orbit. For comparison the ESA inadvertently stranded the Ariane 6 2nd stage in LEO is 18 feet (5.4 meters) diameter. Its length is likely around 40-50 feet (12-15 meters) with a dry mass of estimated between 4-5 metric tons.
Click baiting is never welcome Felix. I mean, you already have umpteen advertisements in your vlogs. Anyway, I was going to ask, after seeing the damage to the quick disconnect, could they not have a revolving chopstick so that it can catch the booster etc on the opposite side to the launch?
It’s not click bait. It’s a headline. That’s just how this works. Look up Veritasium Click Bait in Toutube search and watch his video on the subject. To your idea: You could do the same with launch mounts… 😱
A small amount of sources are saying that the FAA has grounded Starship; concerns about the corridor over Turks & Caicos etc... That Starship 7 launch could have shed debris over their country. There are still investigations going on about debris locations.
The Lunar regolith abrasion experiment is an example of the million unexpected problems and issues that emerge when we attempt to reside on the moon or Mars. The Apollo program didn't even know how firm the surface would be prior to Surveyor, and they certainly were not expecting how much trouble the lunar dust would be until they experienced it first hand. And many have said that if we had tried to go to Mars back in the 70s and 80s, our crews might have ended up weak from microgravity and sick due the the secondary radiation cascade from the primaries hitting the aluminum spacecraft hull. I think that Elon has a nine year old Jonny Quest watcher's understanding of the difficulties of going to Mars and surviving. He seems to believe all we need is a rocket to get there and all will just work out. It took 450,000 engineers to build all the equipment and solve all of the problems to go to the move and come back alive. I think, contrary to the belief that "the moon is a distraction", it will end up being essential to ever expanding the human race to Mars.
Aldrin cyclers are surely a better choice for human travel between Earth and Mars, but in any case they require putting mass into orbit cheaply, and Starship is set to do this. Something I've noticed about Musk and Mars: you'll need power, and he has a solar panel company, and you'll need tunnels, and he has a tunnel-building company. Vehicles have to be electric, and he has an electric vehicle company. Labor will be in extremely short supply, and he's got robots. Musk's genius, if you'll permit me to call it that, is starting businesses and keeping them going. Maybe he doesn't have more than a 9-year-old's understanding of any one aspect of getting to Mars, but it's aware of more than just building a big rocket. Oh, and communications. High bandwidth communication to your colony is going to be helpful, even if the latency can't be improved. (Which, come to think of it, is something for which a Moon base is irrelevant.)
I think Musk honestly does know. Thats why he has openly said he has zero intention of going to Mars. Musk is happy enough to risk other people and make a colony of workers indebted to him, but he won't put his own butt on the line for his Mars is the future vision.
Have you seen astronauts returning to Earth after "only" 6 months in orbit. They can not even stand up on their own at first. The need help. So they land on Mars and have to stay inside the ship for a couple of days to adjust to gravity. Maybe Mars gravity will easier on them. They say one day in deep space (on a Mars mission) is the same cancer risk as smoking one pack of cigarettes. So a round trip to Mars has the same health effect as maybe 300 packs of cigarettes. It is not certain death but a sizable risk.
Change second stage and put a Super Fairing on it and start build a village in orbit. Build an orbital tank farm on that mega space station, after more years of perfecting starship. Dock the ship on the mega station, refuel it fully and travel to the moon and mars.
Storing fuel in space is really hard. it boils off. The best way is to use the departing ship as the "fuel depot". With a fuel depot the tankers launch first and fill a tank and then the Mars-bound ship fills from the tank. But this is horribly inefficient because the tank has to vent fuel to space for weeks or months and so much is wasted. The other plan which they intend to do is to launch the Mars-bound ship first and then 13 or 14 tankers to dock with it and refuel it. Even that might not work because any fuel on Starship would boil off before the ship got to Mars. You just can not store cryogenic fuel in space in a simple tankl. So I read they are thinking about developing a refrigerator pump to cool the fuel while on the way to Mars.
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Please put the audio translated into Portuguese
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You might have gotten an explanation at the Village Idiot on the night after the NG launch. Plenty of people to ask. I happened upon it. Dunno if it will become the goto spot, but worth checking out. 😉 Maybe, I'll see you there too!
What happened tou your mic?
So where is the explosion part then? Kinda whole point of watching the video with that title
Did we just get Rick Rolled?
@_DigitalDave_ right... I hate to still have to watch him for some information that is teased in the title.. even on 2x speed it takes forever to find any relevant information.. also I bet he doesn't add chapters to the videos on purpose🙃
At 11:15. It shows the explosion on the right and the shower of debris on the left.
Right?
Explosion aftermath. Not explosion.
Dance floor is a common term in construction for a temporary work deck. Not something space x named.
I did not know! English isn’t my first language. Thank you! ❤
@@Whataboutit I'm a native English speaker and I never heard that term either but I'm not in the construction industry.
@@Whataboutit Maybe just look up the origin of a term you're not familiar with? The excuse of ESL doesnt work here. Plenty of English first speakers dont understand industry jargon, whether it be defense, automotive, entertainment, whatever. It's a principle, not a language issue. @Whataboutit How about you just say thank you and that you'll try to do better in the future?
@@babochee settle down champion
@@Whataboutit no worries, unless you are in the heavy construction industry, 90% of English speakers wouldn't know either. I still laughed when you did your dance.
Still, moon first. As we have all experienced again, rocket science is extremely complex. And Mars is very very far away, so factor 1000 in anything that can go wrong until you get there. Have to do it in steps. Get to the moon, master these procedures, establish a presence, gain experience, then target Mars.
As for Pad B, first launch in May, first catch in April, maybe even March.
And Saturn's moon Titan is actually a far more viable option for colonization, the only problem is its even further than Mars.
@@ReiseLukasSomething for 2050+, when Mars has been reached and the procedures have been perfected. Always need a new goal, right? 😅
@@Urufu-san possibly. From what I read you wouldn't need pressure suits on Titan due to its thick Nitrogen atmosphere. You would just need thermal protection and an oxygen supply.
You waste time trying to land on the moon. Just keep trying to land on mars
@@ReiseLukas would be also pretty easy to make a base, there are lakes of Hydrocarbons which means plastic and fuel ready to be made, also the soil is water ice. But since it's a long interplanetary journey I agree that we should master mars first (step by step) titan is my second favourite object of the solar system but I think I will never see human there in my lifetime😔
Thanks for the report, but what happened , technically, to the ship?
Not sure why you're so concerned about the production rate for starship. They aren't going to ramp up production until the design has been finalized. Considering that they lost the last starship, the design isn't complete. It won't be complete until they can catch a starship and the heatshield protects it sufficiently for reuse. That's not going to happen overnight.
True. Thats also why they are holding up other launch pads and towers also
yea and this isn't even the version they eventually plan on using......block 2 is just a brief stepping stone towards block 3....
Or ever, in fact.
@@Chris.Daviesindeed. I still contend to my engineering eye that starship seems very mass inefficient. Tough hill to climb.
There will probably be some changes even with those initial catches - the catch itself will give them a chance to inspect the intact hardware after a launch, where strained structure and components can be searched for and solutions identified. Flight data is gold, but intact test articles are king.
I don’t understand why people continue to compare New Glenn and Starship. They aren’t even close to the same thing and are built for drastically different primary missions. New Glenn is basically a jumbo sized Falcon 9/Heavy which is amazing but it’s not a competitor to Starship in terms of its ultimate purpose.
The problem is TH-camrs like this clearly desperate to have other options because they hate Elon so much.
@@Bland-79 TH-camrs like this? Lol what? Most of this video is praise for Space-X xD
@MiTheMer
Anything short of simping praise is seen as hate.
Yap. No comparison. But comparison happens not because of Payload capacity but that is the only company which is making significant competition in reusability front.
it could still be years out up that Starship is catched and actually reused;
up to that point they are about the same thing as Schwarzenegger - lifting heavy stuff
"It's impressive how SpaceX remains transparent about every incident and how they learn from failures. Every step forward is part of their ambitious journey to conquer space! 🚀👏"
The Booster design is a more mature design that has flown several times before. By using previous flights refurbished raptor engines they get closer to full reusability.
Looking forward to the eventual retest of a caught and Starfactory refurbished booster at MacGregor. One step below full reusability.
Starship V2 on the other hand is a newer improved design with new issues to solve.
They decided to add fire suppression and extra venting to Starship to maximize success of the next flight. Expect them to be removed once Space X resolves the real underlying issue. (Best part is no Part philosophy).
I can't wait for SpaceX to reveal the crew cabin and it's intricate workings such as life support system, navigation system, radiation protection system and the manual overrides for interplanetary flight !
Or the weight involved, including persons, and compare that to that banana. I'm sure there is zero way to haul enough shielding just to travel to Mars. Need dense mass, atomic structure that particles can't sneak through. I said "weight" b/c the whole thing might just fold on liftoff as the 4mm tube crinkles.
Yes. So far Starship has just been a boilerplate vehicle. I think they will eventually have to develop a human-only version of Starship for launching people from the Earth's surface. And the interplanetary version may be so heavy that it will need not only fuel tanker support, but perhaps a cargo launch mission to bring up all the supplies needed for the Mars mission, since the shielding and required spare parts and redundancy will be very heavy.
And the LEO human launch version will need abort capability if they ever want NASA certification for manned flight.
One starship for people and four docked surrounding filled with cargo. That will greatly reduce particles passing.
@i-love-space390 and they could build a deep space booster to put the ship in an initial speed and return to orbit. Spaceship could go to Mars with fuel tanks still full
There's speculation that the ship won't be a starship at all now for passengers. There's a new facility being built for a new modular ship (Code name: 75192) I kid you not - look the code up! They will assemble this in space which will be launched by x4 starship launches over a 2 week period!
I guess the hairy guy will be accompanied by the one and only solo occupant for the first journey until they trial this, then after they'll really punch out production on more cargo ships of this kind!
Please can we make these shorter and to the point and less waffle about how great spacex is!
Wish other rocket companies had as much going on to report about.
spacex is f'd - due to you know who - F elon
@shaung949 well if 99% of that weren't "they moved XX piece of steel from A to B SpaceX wouldn't have that much to report either..
@@mr1enrollment Yes, he's obviously failing on every level. I feel so bad for him. He's clearly nowhere near as successful as you've become in your lifetime.
@@rukus9585 AND he can boast about being a Nazi
This content is gold! Thanks for generously sharing your knowledge.
"Work has been picking up in my neighborhood..."
OUR neighborhood!! :D LOL!!
Pad B ready by August
Who cares
I do
@@2handsandwiches I do
@@Zh_sos1 no one else does, you space cadets are odd balls
rush B lmao
Your cheerful enthusiasm about rockets is uplifting!
I like the little house they put on it well done
Yeah. Do you understand why? How many times are you willing to pay full price to have you multi-million dollar payload not get delivered?
@@AlinaTaylor-p4g it's a swedish art piece and is based on the swedish red houses that are so classic for us! The color even has a special name; falu rödfärg! (Falu redpaint)
@@lingonvaxi1973looks like a model house from my dad’s American flyer train set from the 1960’s
I love the way you said that, break it fast and build it faster.😁😁
Thanks Felix. Nice show.
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My dad worked for NASA. He was on the team at Rice University that dated the Apollo 11 samples. So, Felix, I’m a great fan of yours!❤
1.5 to 2 months for a rocket on launchpad 2. Because the concrete should gain strength and reach structural integrity after its last pouring to avoid avoidible mikrocracks and increase the lifetime
Guess you never watched the old star base videos. They were pouring and launching after days pouring if they wanted. They are not using just normal concrete.
@rainorshine6702 oh you mean the super concrete that ended up in a tornado?
Jeez, man. The construction at Starbase is almost cooler than Starship/Super heavy. Those people are sooo smalllll. Imagine how you must feel, standing next to a 200m steel tower, made from, what looks like 1m diameter pipe and huge beams, each weighing 100 times your weight. Imagine being able to say you were one of the pairs of hands that built the Gateway to Humanities interplanetary frontier. My gosh... If only I could just be part of that team.
all controlled by a Nazi
Thanks for the new update Felix and WAI team!!
Love your updates. Great videos. Big fan from the UK
B.O. really needs a PR department with lots of cameras and details. Because I haven't developed any feelings for this Rocket and I live 30 minutes from where it's built. 🤨
I guess old Jeff has to much money to care if he has rocket fans or not. But we knew an hour after Starship blew up, what went wrong and it came from the head cheese.
I still haven't heard what happened to their ship. Is it still in orbit? What's the plan for it?
For New Glen, does anyone know if the engines were the final design or not operating at full thrust? It’s been noted how slowly it lifted off the pad, if they were maxing out its payload capacity that would make sense but that seem like an odd thing to do on the first launch.
😂 I believe the new Launchpad will be ready at the end of April😊
June is the earliest I believe they will have pad A ready for flight. Maybe longer as they will need to do a long list of test campaigns to verify a completely new system… kind of like block 2 starship. Although they added thousands of upgrades, she still didn’t make it back in-tact on her maiden voyage.
Is New Glenn's low thrust to weight ratio a concern? It took more than 10 seconds for the vehicle to clear the tower with almost no payload. Do you think Blue were being purposely conservative with the BE-4s?
No way of knowing, since BO don't share much info. But they've certainly been a risk-averse organisation historically, so there's probably a lot of elements to that first flight and the first flight hardware that reflect "first priority, don't blow up; worry about performance later".
i still think BO is a scam, like some of these new car companies that never deliver.
@@robgilmour3147 It's not a very clever scam then, given the many billions of dollars which Bezos has poured into it without a cent in return.
@@robgilmour3147 Good analogy. BO might just turn out to be the Rivian of reusable orbital launch services. Looks nice. Good but expensive technology, which never makes money.
No. I think they get more total energy by using much larger fuel tanks and hence a lower thrust to weight.
In fact it appears that Starship is headed in that direction. Later versions of Starship will be "stretched" with rings added to make the tanks larger and of course a "real" starship will have a payload inside and not just an empty shell. Saturn V also had fuel tanks so large the thrust to weight was low. It is by design. Light weight is good but what it really means is you could have lifted more weight to space.
I wonder if Pad B will be used to catch a booster or ship before it launches a stack. Given the IFT-6 experience, it might make sense to have a backup launch tower available to catch the booster if damage is detected on the tower you just launched from. Also, in the first tests where both the booster and ship are intended to be caught, it might make sense to diversify the catch towers.
Starship's journey is just Falcon 1 and Grasshopper all over again-stumbling now, soaring later. History doesn’t repeat; it reheats🚀🚀
Some Dude on Mars: "Yeah, just some Hot Cheetoe's. Naw. I can't think of anything else. 5 months? I can wait. See you soon. Later."
Another Dude on Mars: "Bruh...! Did... Did you really just order only a bag of chips?"
1st Guy: "Yeah? Why?"
2nd Guy: "They're really send us an empty rocket carrying only a bag of chips?!"
Hey Felix, as a German what are your thoughts on Elons Nazi salute?
Thanks!
I appear to be missing the part of the video that the title references.
Also, regardless of what Elon tweets or posts on X. Starship isnt going anywhere until the FAA release the grounded state of Starship which they imposed after flight 7 due to the mishap. We could be in for a bit of a wait despite Elon posting that he doesnt see any reason for a delay beyond a month.
"This time it will be BBQ Proof" @2:00 😆
Why do I get the feeling that nobody that works at SpaceX has a life outside SpaceX. Hope they are being adequately compensated
( SHY and RIDICULE ) to let people see the bit with the explosion aftermath ?
Good overview again! Thanks! Can't wait for IFT-8!
Let’s go! 🔥
As slow as it was for BONG to get off the pad, what happens when they load it with heavy payload?
My cousin is an engineer who works for SpaceX. I'm extremely proud of him.
What does he say about his work/life balance? Just curious, either way is fine. If truly you love your job then it becomes your life.
When do they plan the increase in diameter as previously discussed? They keep building up for the current diameter and will need to reconstruct everything for the planned upgrade.
That's very likely a good bit down the line. Maybe in two years? Impossible to answer accurately, though.
❤❤❤ awesome personality for what you do.
😊 thank you
Blue Origin should embrace openness during the R&D process. The public loves underdogs and forgives temporary setbacks.
Rockets self-destructing during testing is the barnstorming of our time. 💥
The pace is crazy. Go SpaceX!
There is a lot fr churn and action but not fast-paced results. While Starship has been crashing, SLS went to the Moon and back on its first launch and NG reached orbit on the first launch. Yes Starship is different, but Space Shuttle reached orbit with a crew inside on its first launch. Starship might work but it is not yet certain.
@@chrisalbertson5838 It appears that you do not understand SpaceX/Tesla/Silicon Valley style of engineering development. It is very different from the others cited.
Already participated in the Adaxum presale, and I’m feeling pretty good about the future of ADX. Time to get in while the price is still low!
Party for space x to get to Mars
Ahahhahahahaahhaha.
Never going to happen becaue they are frauds.
Love watching you Felix. Would it be possible to do a special on the moon. Its history up to today if possible?
You GO! Space X Professionals
Seems like production value has gone down. I haven't watched on a while are you in the middle of a move again?
So, ispace is putting a ‘Red House over yonder’ on the moon! Couldn’t help myself. Hendrix would be proud.
That's where my baby stays.
But the key don’t fit the door!
I work for a company that has 2 ASU (Air Separation Units) plus we also install bulk tanks and repair. We are even working with another private space company, providing the necessary gases! Did Space X ever have an ASU? I'm amazed there is not a couple ASUs around Starbase to collect the oxygen and nitrogen.
Yes you can get 99% pure gasses with PSA locally.
I feel that by June, the launch pad should be constructed and installed and that by July/August, the pad should be ready for rocket launches
I think we get a launch from Pad B by August.
Love all your content!
Excellent video and content. Was S33 'Sparky?'
Too early to speed up production...esp since they are still looking for point of failure on S33.
Wonder if Ship catch attempt will be at different location (either Tower West or KSC)
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Best one for SpaceX by far
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Fraser Cain is arguably the best for general space information. But I love WAI for Starship and SpaceX detailed overviews.
NASASpaceflight does great weekly reviews too. They are more general though, and WAI definitely has the most Starship detail
Space launch. Literally nothing about all the things going on in astronomy
what the hell where is any info about starship explosion aftermath? un sub? .
I hope the new competition between NG and Starship speeds up innovation!
There is no competition. Starship is in it's own league
@ReynoldsJer your absolutely right. I meant Falcon 9!
Most likely will slow down falcon heavy, just depends on what ends up being cheaper for consumers
Same here!🎉
@@natejohnston480 I think we have about 6 months on the low side up to a year before NG is ready for commercial payloads!
Why the title is not in line with topic?
It makes no sense to build more towers when they don't even have a final version of the ship yet. Block 3 doesn't even exist yet and will be wider. So they will have to tear down everything they are building now and start over again. It's not a logical process.
I was a bit nervous when Felix said that work on the KSC launch facility was ramping up when he’d made the observation just minutes before that the flame diverter for Boca’s Pad B looked small for a booster with the power of Starship’s. I’m a bit surprised SpaceX doesn’t want to wait until it has at least some experience of how Boca Pad B survives a few launches before committing too much on the KSC build. SpaceX does have history on this after all, bad history, with its misjudgment on how the Fondag was going to perform. I assume the concrete tornado during IFT-1 wasn’t part of the plan.
Elon is trump's boy in charge of being super efficient though.
Nobody other than Felix has said that Block 3 will be wider... and that _probably_ comes from him misunderstanding a Musk comment indicating that the vehicle still had plenty of room to grow taller before width increases were on the table.
rapid reusability might require multiple towers in order to conduct post launch examination of the stage zero hardware. until stage zero is bulletproof, more launch sites: more launches. returning boosters and ships wont need to return to the same towers
This recent catch was something to behold. Right before it was caught, the engines gimballed and were blowtorching the tower a little it seemed. It looked like there were some pretty good winds at launch. Anyone know the weather parameters that they use to determine a go or no go?
SpaceX should think about building towers just to catch the ships and boosters, that could speed up launches.
No, that would slow down launches as then you would have to move the ships and build 2x as many towers. The entire point is to catch and refuel and relaunch from the same tower to save time.
AHHAHAAHAH. Speed up?
You want THEM to hurry???
catch booster->catch ship->inspection->stack->refuel->relauch
Defeats the purpose of rapid reusability, land both parts of the ship on same launch stand, re-stack, refuel, launch.
That is the point of the new OLM for pad B so they don't have to spend time repairing stage 0 after every launch.
April, first use of launch month#2!👍🏿😅
That cryo test stand seems to have a lot of infrastructure around it. Seems like it should be more isolated in case something goes wrong.
Vor einer Minute erst das Video zu Flug 7 fertig geschaut, und schon geht's mit Flug 8 weiter. Du machst schneller Videos als ich mit schauen hinterher komme. 🤪 Wie immer vielen Dank für die großartige Arbeit Felix! 🙏
Can you imagine a few starships on the moon . With refueling ,resupply , life saving , manufacturing ,all done in reduced gravity . Star Chaser base …..endless possibilities .
Felix. How long do you think it will take FAA to complete their review of Starships' major malfunction.
I think the last 4 years of FAA political malice obstruction, delays, harassment targeting SpaceX are over.
Malfunction shouldn't take long, Spacex has already given brief details of the cause. What will take more time is the Debris reports and if any was outside the hazard zone they will need adjusting.
Most likely might be just a couple weeks to maybe a month or two. Really just depends on what they find and how they plan to resolve the issue
At least a month I’d say. It largely depends on SpaceX. The FAA doesn’t investigate. SpaceX does. Then they come up with a solution, present everything to the FAA and they just judge if it’s enough.
@ No one believes the FAA is qualified to judge/modify/overrule SpaceX solutions.
The FAA’s sole mandate is protecting US public lives/property, not mission success.
Once the FAA certified Starship’s Flight Termination System, they should have been done.
The rest is either political malice or bureaucratic chair-warming empty-suit posturing & meddling.
Mid March for Pad B.. I also think they are going to re-design.. the forward flaps. Its the second time they had an issue with them.
Thanks for the episode Felix, you rock!
I struggle to support any company associated with Elon at this point. I love space, but legitimately there has to be a point we can't disassociate a company from its CEO/owner. I don't see how we can just ignore what we saw during the inauguration. We all have eyeballs.
You have goggly idiotic eyes which see whatever leftoidal insanity you command them to see.
Oh, finally, some sort of a
🎵Beach House On The Moon ;-)
It doesn't make sense, but I really like that song ;-)
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So, the question for BO now is: How many months or years will it be before your second booster is ready to launch? Personal guess here, not this year. They may surprise me though.
Their second booster is almost finished. We saw it on the Flight 1 broadcast.
Their second launch is scheduled within the next few months
@@snakevenom4954you can’t assume a schedule with absolutly no idea of a schedule
@@deanpierre-f4x They have a contractual obligation to fly the two Escapade Mars Satellites in spring. The Mars window is not open for New Glenn in late spring if they want to reuse the booster. Meaning we're looking at a March - late April launch.
Since this flight can be done through NASA, the Mishap Investigation doesn't need to be completed before the launch. It most likely will but the point is that the Investigation won't hold back the flight.
That is why they're scheduled to fly within the next 2-3 months. They still want to test reusability. If they want to expend the booster, they can launch way later into mid summer. But they want to crack down on the entry and landing burns first
Almost now. SpaceX has several made. Only need s the permit to launch another. It will take some short time as Space X will do modifications where there was a failure. They have the measure of how fast the tan lost its volume of fuel, and the pressure. Ver easy to calculate the size of the leak.
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I would love if you uploaded these episodes to apple podcasts
The only way SpaceX is able to move so quickly, and get faster, is by retaining the skilled employees that do the work. It makes me believe that working for SX is a dream job that nobody wants to give up.
Any chance Elon could be launched to mars soon?
I heard him say "I hope in my lifetime." he was just over 40 years old when he said that. This means in reality it might be 30 years before people will go to Mars on Starship. Getting to Mars is somewhat easy but getting back is VERY hard because first you must build a space launch comp-lex on mars with a launch pad and tank farm and fuel factory. All of this is build with robots and then you test it many times and then you can send people and bring them back.
NASA will do an Apollo-style landing where the decent stag is the launch pad for the accent stage and the whole thing a relly tiny. That could work on "bare dirt" but Starship needs a spaceport if it is to return to Earth. So 30 years is reasonable. as thy will need hundreds of one-way trips before the first round trip.
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One step closer to Da Mars🔥
QDAs need to be fully enclosed, with only the connector end exposed, with a deflector "cone/cup" that drops over the small exposed connector section, as soon as it disconnects. Simple and easy.
The quick disconnect needs to be like the head of a razor. Pop it off quickly and replace it with another.
Seems counterintuitive in terms of reuse. Maybe they can retract it faster and put it away in a more secure bunker.
@@bogususer2595 yes and no......in construction many expensive parts can be and are quickly replaced to keep equipment in production while the replaced parts is then refurbished or simply maintained......the 2 keys are what is the most time efficient / quickest and the overall cost effectiveness of the process....if time is the factor then cost takes a back seat....vis-versa....the same holds true....
It seems possible to just make it durable enough to survive launch
Or make it retract faster into a more robust housing. Maybe use some cybertruck stainless steel.
I’m still waiting for someone to do an in depth on the New Glen mission. Surely there is better video of the mission, debris from the booster, telemetry from the booster showing where it went down, what did the second stage do-any video, has the landing ship come back to port? We haven’t gotten any good info on the first flight. What went wrong with their booster?
Great video. The reason they continue to have problems with the quick disconnect is that it is in the wrong place. When the booster ascends and banks away from the tower its blow torch of flame is pointed directly at the quick disconnect. I hope the renders of the new tower with the quick disconnect on the opposite side are accurate.
It also has zero shielding around the connect lines, but relies entirely on shielding the entire assembly instead. If they put additional plating material above the connect plate, they wouldn't come close to torching the lines. Once Pad B is in operation and the dual-QD's have been implemented, this will hopefully be a nonissue, though.
@@stevebroome1288 i guess spacex should have consulted you first
@ I agree. They have made some dubious moves. In the end it is just our opinions.
Please don't misunderstand. I love SpaceX. What they are doing is beyond amazing. That being said, I just don't see "manned" launch and catch for many, many years. What SpaceX wants to do is just so far ahead of what is actually capable.
I see manned launch far sooner that manned catch though....
Ruh Roh, I learned long ago to not say such things in the presence of the true believers and the faithful, for they do not show compassion or reason to the heretics.
You are correct. Our economy and climate will be in a shambles by that time too.
Yes. We don't have many other systems to use for comparison, so there's a lot of variation in anyone's guess! SpaceX took just over four years to develop the Crew Dragon spacecraft from the beginning stages to its first mission.
@@mikelee-i3b not really.
I think the smartest thing is to invest in presales like Adaxum, that will launch in following months and catch the peak of the cycle.
In regards to the New Glenn launch, apparently planned, the 2nd stage left into a high transfer orbit does not seem to comply with the spirt of orbital debris mitigation guidelines. The New Glenn 2nd stage is approximately 88 feet (26.8 meters) in length and 23 feet (7 meters) in diameter. Its estimated dry mass is around 16.7 metric tons. That is a lot of space junk to be left in orbit. For comparison the ESA inadvertently stranded the Ariane 6 2nd stage in LEO is 18 feet (5.4 meters) diameter. Its length is likely around 40-50 feet (12-15 meters) with a dry mass of estimated between 4-5 metric tons.
Well, the farther up you go, the bigger the sky gets.
I don't think MEO is much of a concern yet.
Click baiting is never welcome Felix. I mean, you already have umpteen advertisements in your vlogs. Anyway, I was going to ask, after seeing the damage to the quick disconnect, could they not have a revolving chopstick so that it can catch the booster etc on the opposite side to the launch?
It’s not click bait. It’s a headline. That’s just how this works. Look up Veritasium Click Bait in Toutube search and watch his video on the subject. To your idea: You could do the same with launch mounts… 😱
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Let's see Booster 17 get the Mk II Treatment!
Well done Felix!
Each rocket is torn down and rebuilt, so there's never going to be a quick turn around.
Strong Space Shuttle vibes.
A small amount of sources are saying that the FAA has grounded Starship; concerns about the corridor over Turks & Caicos etc... That Starship 7 launch could have shed debris over their country. There are still investigations going on about debris locations.
how many more years before another New Glenn is ready since they lost the booster?
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The Lunar regolith abrasion experiment is an example of the million unexpected problems and issues that emerge when we attempt to reside on the moon or Mars. The Apollo program didn't even know how firm the surface would be prior to Surveyor, and they certainly were not expecting how much trouble the lunar dust would be until they experienced it first hand. And many have said that if we had tried to go to Mars back in the 70s and 80s, our crews might have ended up weak from microgravity and sick due the the secondary radiation cascade from the primaries hitting the aluminum spacecraft hull.
I think that Elon has a nine year old Jonny Quest watcher's understanding of the difficulties of going to Mars and surviving. He seems to believe all we need is a rocket to get there and all will just work out. It took 450,000 engineers to build all the equipment and solve all of the problems to go to the move and come back alive. I think, contrary to the belief that "the moon is a distraction", it will end up being essential to ever expanding the human race to Mars.
Aldrin cyclers are surely a better choice for human travel between Earth and Mars, but in any case they require putting mass into orbit cheaply, and Starship is set to do this.
Something I've noticed about Musk and Mars: you'll need power, and he has a solar panel company, and you'll need tunnels, and he has a tunnel-building company.
Vehicles have to be electric, and he has an electric vehicle company.
Labor will be in extremely short supply, and he's got robots.
Musk's genius, if you'll permit me to call it that, is starting businesses and keeping them going.
Maybe he doesn't have more than a 9-year-old's understanding of any one aspect of getting to Mars, but it's aware of more than just building a big rocket.
Oh, and communications.
High bandwidth communication to your colony is going to be helpful, even if the latency can't be improved.
(Which, come to think of it, is something for which a Moon base is irrelevant.)
I think Musk honestly does know. Thats why he has openly said he has zero intention of going to Mars. Musk is happy enough to risk other people and make a colony of workers indebted to him, but he won't put his own butt on the line for his Mars is the future vision.
@@vasuba OMG you butt hurt (about losing twitter) liberal termites are persistent, miserable little pests.
Have you seen astronauts returning to Earth after "only" 6 months in orbit. They can not even stand up on their own at first. The need help. So they land on Mars and have to stay inside the ship for a couple of days to adjust to gravity. Maybe Mars gravity will easier on them.
They say one day in deep space (on a Mars mission) is the same cancer risk as smoking one pack of cigarettes. So a round trip to Mars has the same health effect as maybe 300 packs of cigarettes. It is not certain death but a sizable risk.
June for Tower 2 🚀
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It's funny Musk and Bezos are creating the means to leave Earth while simultaneously creating a very strong desire by a lot of people to do just that.
Change second stage and put a Super Fairing on it and start build a village in orbit. Build an orbital tank farm on that mega space station, after more years of perfecting starship. Dock the ship on the mega station, refuel it fully and travel to the moon and mars.
Storing fuel in space is really hard. it boils off. The best way is to use the departing ship as the "fuel depot". With a fuel depot the tankers launch first and fill a tank and then the Mars-bound ship fills from the tank. But this is horribly inefficient because the tank has to vent fuel to space for weeks or months and so much is wasted. The other plan which they intend to do is to launch the Mars-bound ship first and then 13 or 14 tankers to dock with it and refuel it.
Even that might not work because any fuel on Starship would boil off before the ship got to Mars. You just can not store cryogenic fuel in space in a simple tankl. So I read they are thinking about developing a refrigerator pump to cool the fuel while on the way to Mars.
I think Pad B will be fully operational by late May.
Where is the revealed aftermath?