Thank you for doing it on Magic Online; I am opposed to the Magic Arena draft format as it doesn't reflect a true draft environment so I just can't enjoy videos of people drafting there. I really enjoy draft videos (I watch all of yours), but Magic Online drafts have dried up a lot since Arena released
Looked this up myself as I was curious. Role Reversal does indeed resolve, but since there is only 1 valid target after Fblthp shuffles himself, the exchange does not happen.
@@keenannaugle9714 Yep, I found that out the hard way in sealed. I was in a bad situation and figured I'd just try and hope it worked out as I hoped it would, it did not and put me dead on board.
Thank you very much for uploading a video where things don't end up working out. Kind of tired of the people that only upload their runs that go all the way. Unrealistic as everyone loses. The ones where you try but fail are far more interesting as it shows you thought patterns and ways to stay alive.
@@maximumkillmtg I love Allegiance as well but Guilds with disinformation campaigns I find it quite messed up; I find the card not only brutal but too common.
@@maximumkillmtg I personally found Guilds both boring to draft and to play. Allegiance on the other hand was great with both. WAR is definitely a lot of fun to draft, but there are way too many bombs that basically just win the game.
Wall of Runes: In his set review with Marshall: "I put Wall of Runes at F, which is to say I don't like Wall of Runes". Here: "Wall of Runes a good defensive card that lets me set up these other things".
There are answers to these cards though. Just looking at G1M1 both of the bombs (Ugin and Commence) were handily dealt with by commons. Edit: Nevermind, in G2 opponent had Finale which made this comment irrelevant.
That's why I'd avoid playing it in Bo1 or Single Elimination as much as possible. The format feels great to play, but there are just too many ridiculous bombs that can screw your entire run out of nowhere while still being pretty unlikely to encounter on a regular basis.
There are obviously some bomb rares that will end games fast but you have things like Ashiok in uncommon slot. Mill 4 a turn in limited is pretty stupid especially when you can blink, proliferate or bounce him.
@@lp1680 It does not "fizzle" or fail to resolve but the exchange just doesn't happen, as per the rules: 701.10a A spell or ability may instruct players to exchange something (for example, life totals or control of two permanents) as part of its resolution. When such a spell or ability resolves, if the entire exchange can't be completed, no part of the exchange occurs. Example: If a spell attempts to exchange control of two target creatures but one of those creatures is destroyed before the spell resolves, the spell does nothing to the other creature. The spell still resolves. The exchange just doesn't happen. If both targets were to become not legal targets, then yes, it would "fizzle".
You exchange Fblthp for your opponent's creature, the target him with any spell to trigger his second effect, shuffling him back into your library. So yes, he's good with role reversal.
@@DarkAzryel Fblthp will be shuffled into your library as soon as you target it with Role Reversal. Since it is no longer on the field when Fblthp's triggered ability resolves, the exchange does not happen. So, no, he is not good with Role Reversal.
3:30 I do not think contentious plan is good enough to take the on colour card over the double off colour high powered removal of casualties of war. 5th pick is early enough to consider just going into green when you get signals like these. If you had a good blue or red choice to take I would still take it, but contentious plan is just not that powerfull. You lose very little hedging your bets there.
Hmm, lsv said since he has so many cards that draw, he can play more land but my logic is that if you have a lot of draw in your deck, you can play less lands since you'll draw into them and whiff less. Which is correct?
its generally that you can play less land, i believe he was thinking he didn't want all those 6 drops, didn't have any 'good' lower cast stuff, so he just played an extra land. He was a little short on 'good' playables. I think he should have played 17, including the blast zone, and main decked the kiora's dambreaker over something like the 2nd totally lost. It can proliferate his planeswalkers, the spellgorgers, or amass tokens.. while also being a good body to block or attack.
There is logic to both, and it depends on what your card draw is. 1cmc card selection means you need fewer lands 5+cc draw 3+ means you likely want more. With a fair amount of the card draw being Honor the God Pharaohs I like being on the land heavy side. Card draw can help you find your land drops, but it also means you want more mana late for draw spells into action. Additionally if draw spells mean you will have enough action it is more important to not lose do to mana screw as you will likely win games that go .long anyway. @Nolan I don't have enough experience with this format so I could be very wrong, but in general 17 lands + blast zone seems like it should be a lot better than 17 lands and an extra 6 drop. I probably would have sided out a land game 2 since he was planning to draw first though. It is also possible that this format is so slow and grindy you want to be a bit greedy
@@MelficeN7 I personally very much enjoy it. I was curious why LSV wouldn't. It is slow, grindy, and I find it to be quite difficult. Much more thinking than other limited sets. You MUST have a plan and stick to it. I'm over 10 drafts in and love it
Just a puzzle question, in round 1, when you copied totally lost to bounce herald and manticore, could you have first bounced the army, then ping herald, then bounce the manticore, ping herald, and then would the herald death trigger and amass the army before the army was bounced, and then you get the 3 for 1?
It also feels to me that they don't value Spark Harvest high enough. I've drafted 3 of them, even wheeling one. And almost all of my opponents with black have one or more spark harvests. I'm sure there are other cards that aren't valued correctly, but that has seemed the most egregious to me.
I'm glad you are a fan of sarcasm, makes you a great loser, and wins seem to hardly go to your head… both made this very enjoyable, even though obviously very unfortunate, and if i learned anything it's probably that i too should aspire to be a bette loser. (in before lsv posts all the cursing and puppy killing after he shut down recording ;)
nugU Man, it sucks to scry four lands to the bottom and draw nothing but lands. I've been getting that same "I draw what my opponents would want me to draw" luck lately.
Yeah while he was drafting I'm like....how do you win? Even opponents who are moderately patient with at least 2 removal spells for the Spellgorger Weirds will have no problems winning. This deck just spins its wheels. I appreciate LSV's enthusiasm for spells decks that just churn through the deck and play with his food, but he has a couple of fragile wincons and that's it. He really needed like 2-3 Invade the City (1UR Amass = instants/sorceries in GY) to really make this good. I think that he had the idea that his spells would allow a 2/2 or 3/3 amass token get there but that's not going to happen in this format. Obviously he has Ugin too but even then that's only 3 standalone wincons in the deck. Just too much removal, as you said, and Ugin's only getting there if the opponent does just about nothing for 3-4 turns in the late game. This deck feels like a nearly perfect Vintage storm draft draft that can draw the deck and generate infinite mana but the wincon is beating down with Palinchron because you didn't get any of the storm spells. You go through the motion
@@tarbosh917 yep at pre-release i was like "wow i have tons of removal this should be easy" only to look to the guy next to me and thats when I knew this is like a 15+ creature format.
@@trinket3571 yep, though I have been loving 2 headed giant, One player can go for removal city (i like black white) and the other does some green red/white creature shenanigans
To be fair, the opponent's deck was nuts and playing 18 lands (even when one has a kill spell stapled on) in a 40-card deck is a bit absurd -- it is the equivalent of playing 27 lands in a 60-card deck.
22:50 surely it's better to target the Chandra's at the 1/2 and ping down the 1/1 with Ral's ability? It even lets you get in for the 1 damage with the Augur.
I don't disagree that this format is bomb heavy, but I don't think this deck was as good as it seemed at first. Spellgorgers ARE great, but with so few creatures they just eat whatever removal the opponent has. It feels like you need to be putting pressure on your opponents in this format, to reduce the time they have to find their bombs. The exception is if you have a ton of removal or your removal IS your bombs (like opponent's finale), and then you can be more durdly. It might be the anti-LSV format :( can't durdle too much.
It is more expensive to join a draft, drafts cost between 10 and 15 dollars. The prize payout is much higher if you go 2-1 or 3-0, but you get nothing if you do worse than that. If you have a good winrate, MTGO is actually cheaper than Arena, otherwise it is probably more expensive.
The problem is the gap between all the rarities is getting too big. Mythics and rares are getting too strong so games come down to who can draw theirs first. Like LSV was saying, he was having a fun game and then the opponent drew their over the top Mythic that's too hard to deal with, it then becomes unfun. The Gods didn't even make an appearance this draft. They are going to be miserable to play against.
He's probably a bit biased since in his description of the game he was winning but the opponent drew a board wipe. That's not unique to this format. All formats have strong board wipes and this one was at Mythic rarity. Would he prefer the opponent was UW and played Time Wipe? That would've had just about the same effect on that board. Would he prefer that he drew Ugin and won with his rare bomb that's a no brainer pick or inclusion in your deck and make it miserable for his opponent? I just don't think the complaint is well grounded. "I was ahead on board and opponent drew a wrath effect and that's my complaint about this format". That's happened to me and many others in virtually every format I've ever played and I've been playing a long time. The Gods are a fair complaint since they're super pushed even for mythic, but save the tears for board wipes. Even LSV has noted in limited set reviews of all kinds that if you're paying a lot of mana for a single spell iit better just about win you the game. Opponent needed to cast this for 8 mana.
@@tarbosh917 A board wipe like Time Wipe is often worse than the Finale because it only kills your opponent's creatures. If they'd had a board, it would have just launched them into winning the game just like that.
@@tarbosh917 that's not accurate at all. There's THREE board wipes in this format, two of which are almost instant wins because they aren't even symmetrical, when most only have 1 semi-decent one that is symmetrical. On top of that, it's how many of the mythics/rares are so good in this format. In most formats, maybe half of the mythics are game winning bombs, and I'm being generous. In this one, almost all of them are, as well as most of the rares. So, instead of having one opponent every 4-5 games have an unbeatable bomb (on average), its almost every opponent and its just whether they draw it before you do. Yes, LSV had Ugin, which is arguably the #1 card in the set, but that's his point. The games are (generally) decided by who draws those cards first. If his opponent hadn't had multiple removal spells on the turn he cast it, he definitely would have won that game. i.e. if it wasn't dealt with immediately, it would just win. LSV prefers formats where your decisions throughout the game matter, as do most others who take limited seriously, and this format has less of that.
Ive been preaching this so hard. There is no luminous bonds/pacifism type effect so kasminas transmutation is the closest we get. It sucks if the creature you transmutation has counters on it, but its one of the only few ways to permanently deal with them gods outside of discard and mill.
I find MTGO to be much clearer in the draft layout. You can read the cards and read the cards in the deck. Heck, even the games are better because you can always read the cards and on Arena I just see the card names and you have to hover all the time to see if you don't miss an ability on all those new cards.
@@ChrisWalter0517 No wonder your username is Probably Jank. Sure, it's a fine card that you want in your Golgari decks, but it isn't something that should pull you into being Golgari. If you end up trying to force it, then chances are your deck will be bad because you probably ignored the signs of the colours you're in actually being open for a rare that is not at all splashable and forces you to stay those colours as a base, and then you miss out on a better overall deck. Sure, there will be times that it just works out, but overall you only take that card if you're already G/B. I mean, you do you and all, but that's why it was and should be ignored unless you're already in those colours.
Lots of scry and looting makes running more lands less of problem. Slims the chance of getting screwed OR flooded. Love running 18 lands in decks like these.
I think g1 you should have killed more creatures with ral rather than pinging him in the face. At 27:45 could you target the token first with totally lost and ping the herald twice? The herald would die, amass the token and then the token would get totally lost.
I think before you make a comment like this especially to a high level player like LSV you should actually read the card you are trying to "explain" one more time.
There's a lot to like in this set but the sheer number of games ruined by bombs makes it near-unplayable. It's not even that fun when you're on the winning side.
Why would anyone complain about an opponent killing all of your creatures for 8 mana? That can be done by some random boardclear for far less. Stop acting like its some kind of "luck"
Holy crap am I really starting to not like this draft format and this video highlights a lot of why.....the swings and the bombs are just too ridiculous.
This format is total bullshit. Hope to draw your bomb first. I've been drafting since Shards and this is worst shit I've played. Cracking packs from the set is fun though.
I drafted WOTS today for the first time. I started taking a green planeswalker followed by a blue one. I ended up in black/white because I ripped Lilliana in pack two. My deck was okay but in both matches I lost, when it came to top decking, I kept drawing lands which was frustrating or I had two 6 drops on my hand stuck on five lands.
35:29
Ah, but you see, LSV, that's the flavor win of this draft environment: IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
Land drawing 101: 18 lands.
First lsv draft, making a 5 critter deck. Not even surprised ^^
so happy you are on mtgo rather than arena
Why? Mtgo looks awful
@@TomValedro Think Arena looks worse..
@@TomValedro Drafting against actual players instead of predictable bots
@@TomValedro But its much easier to follow because there are only the cards and nothing else.
@@saaiemedia726 how can u be so wrong
Thank you for doing it on Magic Online; I am opposed to the Magic Arena draft format as it doesn't reflect a true draft environment so I just can't enjoy videos of people drafting there. I really enjoy draft videos (I watch all of yours), but Magic Online drafts have dried up a lot since Arena released
No complaints. Prefer you on mtgo annnnnyyyday.
For what it’s worth I heavily prefer watching Arena
Lsv's fantastic commentary distracts from the ugliness of mtgo
@@namename8004 the vast majority of the community disagrees
@@namename8004 MTGO is the dump by comparison
@@xdegray Vast majority of people to have ever existed believe(d) in (some kind of) god
FYI: Targeting Fblthp with Role Reversal causes Fblthp to shuffle into your library and Role Reversal to fizzle.
Surprised he missed that interaction. Though he does like to say things like that jokingly and I sometimes miss the sarcasm
Looked this up myself as I was curious. Role Reversal does indeed resolve, but since there is only 1 valid target after Fblthp shuffles himself, the exchange does not happen.
@@keenannaugle9714 Yep, I found that out the hard way in sealed. I was in a bad situation and figured I'd just try and hope it worked out as I hoped it would, it did not and put me dead on board.
Thank you very much for uploading a video where things don't end up working out. Kind of tired of the people that only upload their runs that go all the way. Unrealistic as everyone loses. The ones where you try but fail are far more interesting as it shows you thought patterns and ways to stay alive.
Yeah, there's a channel on Brazil that posts only 5-0's. And that's the most boring thing ever.
I had high hopes for this draft set but from what I’ve played so far, it’s exciting to draft but pretty miserable to play.
True for me so far as well. This is quite a contrast from Guilds and Allegiance, which were somewhat boring to draft but had fantastic gamgeplay.
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@@maximumkillmtg I love Allegiance as well but Guilds with disinformation campaigns I find it quite messed up; I find the card not only brutal but too common.
@@maximumkillmtg I personally found Guilds both boring to draft and to play. Allegiance on the other hand was great with both. WAR is definitely a lot of fun to draft, but there are way too many bombs that basically just win the game.
Thank you so much for drafting on MTGO rather than Arena!
I like MTGO, I like bombs, and I love videos that extended to not spoil. I see this as an absolute win.
Wall of Runes:
In his set review with Marshall: "I put Wall of Runes at F, which is to say I don't like Wall of Runes".
Here: "Wall of Runes a good defensive card that lets me set up these other things".
It's all situational. He's analyzing the card against the current deck he's building.
So far the format has provided some exciting moments but there are too many win buttons IMO...
@@drmntpibb Not really, in my experience it turns into "Who draws the win button?"
There are answers to these cards though. Just looking at G1M1 both of the bombs (Ugin and Commence) were handily dealt with by commons.
Edit: Nevermind, in G2 opponent had Finale which made this comment irrelevant.
@@anonofyesterday4650 LOL......yea good try though ;)
That's why I'd avoid playing it in Bo1 or Single Elimination as much as possible. The format feels great to play, but there are just too many ridiculous bombs that can screw your entire run out of nowhere while still being pretty unlikely to encounter on a regular basis.
There are obviously some bomb rares that will end games fast but you have things like Ashiok in uncommon slot. Mill 4 a turn in limited is pretty stupid especially when you can blink, proliferate or bounce him.
When I saw this pop up, I was so excited, and then nervous that it might be Arena, clicked through... And it's a real draft! What a relief
SMH, not drafting on Arena so bots wont just pass you ugin, still gets ugin
This format is actually pretty fun. I feel like there's a lot of fun synergy in this set.
LSVs drafts are so entertaining
7:12 Fblthp is good with Role Reversal? Role Reversal's exchange does not happen since Fblthp is then shuffled into your library.
I think it fizzles if that happens.
@@lp1680 It does not "fizzle" or fail to resolve but the exchange just doesn't happen, as per the rules:
701.10a A spell or ability may instruct players to exchange something (for example, life totals or control of two permanents) as part of its resolution. When such a spell or ability resolves, if the entire exchange can't be completed, no part of the exchange occurs.
Example: If a spell attempts to exchange control of two target creatures but one of those creatures is destroyed before the spell resolves, the spell does nothing to the other creature.
The spell still resolves. The exchange just doesn't happen. If both targets were to become not legal targets, then yes, it would "fizzle".
You exchange Fblthp for your opponent's creature, the target him with any spell to trigger his second effect, shuffling him back into your library. So yes, he's good with role reversal.
@@DarkAzryel Fblthp will be shuffled into your library as soon as you target it with Role Reversal. Since it is no longer on the field when Fblthp's triggered ability resolves, the exchange does not happen. So, no, he is not good with Role Reversal.
@@NewspaperBuff I stand corrected. I misremembered the wording on role reversal.
3:30 I do not think contentious plan is good enough to take the on colour card over the double off colour high powered removal of casualties of war. 5th pick is early enough to consider just going into green when you get signals like these. If you had a good blue or red choice to take I would still take it, but contentious plan is just not that powerfull. You lose very little hedging your bets there.
But then how would he force blue?
@@pacodibolo 5 color green!
"Nug you. Nug you. Nug that. Oh, I'm definitely nugging th"
"SOMEONE TAKE AWAY HIS FUCKING MCNUGGETS."
please more draft
Hmm, lsv said since he has so many cards that draw, he can play more land but my logic is that if you have a lot of draw in your deck, you can play less lands since you'll draw into them and whiff less. Which is correct?
its generally that you can play less land, i believe he was thinking he didn't want all those 6 drops, didn't have any 'good' lower cast stuff, so he just played an extra land. He was a little short on 'good' playables. I think he should have played 17, including the blast zone, and main decked the kiora's dambreaker over something like the 2nd totally lost. It can proliferate his planeswalkers, the spellgorgers, or amass tokens.. while also being a good body to block or attack.
There is logic to both, and it depends on what your card draw is. 1cmc card selection means you need fewer lands 5+cc draw 3+ means you likely want more. With a fair amount of the card draw being Honor the God Pharaohs I like being on the land heavy side.
Card draw can help you find your land drops, but it also means you want more mana late for draw spells into action. Additionally if draw spells mean you will have enough action it is more important to not lose do to mana screw as you will likely win games that go .long anyway.
@Nolan I don't have enough experience with this format so I could be very wrong, but in general 17 lands + blast zone seems like it should be a lot better than 17 lands and an extra 6 drop. I probably would have sided out a land game 2 since he was planning to draw first though. It is also possible that this format is so slow and grindy you want to be a bit greedy
Please, do all limited on MTGO...
That opponent with the perfect draws
Dovin has been good for me every time
I thought Augur of Bolas was a 2-mana 1/3 which lets you know what the bottom three cards of your library are.
33:00 "What I need to do is draw Ugin". From the bottom of your deck? That would be quite the power move, not gonna lie.
big fan of kiora's dongbreaker
Lmao I don't think lsv likes this draft environment
Santi B didn’t have time to watch the video, why would you say that? Just curious
How bad is it? I'm thinking that maybe I should draft more ravnica allegiance before the draft for war starts this coming weekend.
@@MelficeN7 I personally very much enjoy it. I was curious why LSV wouldn't. It is slow, grindy, and I find it to be quite difficult. Much more thinking than other limited sets. You MUST have a plan and stick to it. I'm over 10 drafts in and love it
Just a puzzle question, in round 1, when you copied totally lost to bounce herald and manticore, could you have first bounced the army, then ping herald, then bounce the manticore, ping herald, and then would the herald death trigger and amass the army before the army was bounced, and then you get the 3 for 1?
th-cam.com/video/VtlxtWP_LFE/w-d-xo.html happens here
@@markonom2 ral only pings players and planeswalkers, not creatures.
Crush dissent will still give you amass even if they pay, correct?
Correct
Invading Manticore seems like a very strong common 6 drop. Pretty rare to see in a limited format
I haven’t drafted much yet. What are the arena bots favoring/ignoring?
It also feels to me that they don't value Spark Harvest high enough. I've drafted 3 of them, even wheeling one. And almost all of my opponents with black have one or more spark harvests. I'm sure there are other cards that aren't valued correctly, but that has seemed the most egregious to me.
I literally for pick 3 Ugin. That was enough of a reason to switch to MTGO until they fix the bots.
Spoiler:
This is how all my WAR drafts have gone so far. Draft a good deck, get destroyed by insane decks.
I'm glad you are a fan of sarcasm, makes you a great loser, and wins seem to hardly go to your head… both made this very enjoyable, even though obviously very unfortunate, and if i learned anything it's probably that i too should aspire to be a bette loser. (in before lsv posts all the cursing and puppy killing after he shut down recording ;)
nugU
Man, it sucks to scry four lands to the bottom and draw nothing but lands. I've been getting that same "I draw what my opponents would want me to draw" luck lately.
There's too much removal in the format. You need more creatures
Yeah while he was drafting I'm like....how do you win? Even opponents who are moderately patient with at least 2 removal spells for the Spellgorger Weirds will have no problems winning. This deck just spins its wheels. I appreciate LSV's enthusiasm for spells decks that just churn through the deck and play with his food, but he has a couple of fragile wincons and that's it. He really needed like 2-3 Invade the City (1UR Amass = instants/sorceries in GY) to really make this good.
I think that he had the idea that his spells would allow a 2/2 or 3/3 amass token get there but that's not going to happen in this format. Obviously he has Ugin too but even then that's only 3 standalone wincons in the deck. Just too much removal, as you said, and Ugin's only getting there if the opponent does just about nothing for 3-4 turns in the late game.
This deck feels like a nearly perfect Vintage storm draft draft that can draw the deck and generate infinite mana but the wincon is beating down with Palinchron because you didn't get any of the storm spells. You go through the motion
@@tarbosh917 yep at pre-release i was like "wow i have tons of removal this should be easy" only to look to the guy next to me and thats when I knew this is like a 15+ creature format.
@@skiie The issue is that it's often difficult to get 15+ playable creatures in this format
@@trinket3571 yep, though I have been loving 2 headed giant, One player can go for removal city (i like black white) and the other does some green red/white creature shenanigans
To be fair, the opponent's deck was nuts and playing 18 lands (even when one has a kill spell stapled on) in a 40-card deck is a bit absurd -- it is the equivalent of playing 27 lands in a 60-card deck.
22:50 surely it's better to target the Chandra's at the 1/2 and ping down the 1/1 with Ral's ability? It even lets you get in for the 1 damage with the Augur.
Ral's ping only hits opponents and planeswakers, same as Sorin.
Ral only hits opponents or planeswalkers.
I don't know, playing a Ral Zarek, activating it and not hearing that quippy Jeff Goldblum ADHD voice, it's just not the same.
What is the art in the thumbnail?
vraska's assassin token
I don't disagree that this format is bomb heavy, but I don't think this deck was as good as it seemed at first. Spellgorgers ARE great, but with so few creatures they just eat whatever removal the opponent has. It feels like you need to be putting pressure on your opponents in this format, to reduce the time they have to find their bombs. The exception is if you have a ton of removal or your removal IS your bombs (like opponent's finale), and then you can be more durdly.
It might be the anti-LSV format :( can't durdle too much.
How much does it cost to draft in magic the gathering online? Cheaper than Arena?
It is more expensive to join a draft, drafts cost between 10 and 15 dollars. The prize payout is much higher if you go 2-1 or 3-0, but you get nothing if you do worse than that. If you have a good winrate, MTGO is actually cheaper than Arena, otherwise it is probably more expensive.
The problem is the gap between all the rarities is getting too big. Mythics and rares are getting too strong so games come down to who can draw theirs first. Like LSV was saying, he was having a fun game and then the opponent drew their over the top Mythic that's too hard to deal with, it then becomes unfun. The Gods didn't even make an appearance this draft. They are going to be miserable to play against.
He's probably a bit biased since in his description of the game he was winning but the opponent drew a board wipe. That's not unique to this format. All formats have strong board wipes and this one was at Mythic rarity. Would he prefer the opponent was UW and played Time Wipe? That would've had just about the same effect on that board.
Would he prefer that he drew Ugin and won with his rare bomb that's a no brainer pick or inclusion in your deck and make it miserable for his opponent?
I just don't think the complaint is well grounded. "I was ahead on board and opponent drew a wrath effect and that's my complaint about this format". That's happened to me and many others in virtually every format I've ever played and I've been playing a long time.
The Gods are a fair complaint since they're super pushed even for mythic, but save the tears for board wipes. Even LSV has noted in limited set reviews of all kinds that if you're paying a lot of mana for a single spell iit better just about win you the game. Opponent needed to cast this for 8 mana.
@@tarbosh917 A board wipe like Time Wipe is often worse than the Finale because it only kills your opponent's creatures. If they'd had a board, it would have just launched them into winning the game just like that.
@@tarbosh917 that's not accurate at all. There's THREE board wipes in this format, two of which are almost instant wins because they aren't even symmetrical, when most only have 1 semi-decent one that is symmetrical. On top of that, it's how many of the mythics/rares are so good in this format. In most formats, maybe half of the mythics are game winning bombs, and I'm being generous. In this one, almost all of them are, as well as most of the rares. So, instead of having one opponent every 4-5 games have an unbeatable bomb (on average), its almost every opponent and its just whether they draw it before you do.
Yes, LSV had Ugin, which is arguably the #1 card in the set, but that's his point. The games are (generally) decided by who draws those cards first. If his opponent hadn't had multiple removal spells on the turn he cast it, he definitely would have won that game. i.e. if it wasn't dealt with immediately, it would just win.
LSV prefers formats where your decisions throughout the game matter, as do most others who take limited seriously, and this format has less of that.
Just my two cents, but don't undervalue Kasmina's Transmutation in this limited set. One of the only ways to take a god off the board and keep it off.
Ive been preaching this so hard. There is no luminous bonds/pacifism type effect so kasminas transmutation is the closest we get. It sucks if the creature you transmutation has counters on it, but its one of the only few ways to permanently deal with them gods outside of discard and mill.
I love how LSV was just able to flawlessly say, "Fblthp," without even a moment's hesitation. That was incredibly impressive to me.
Why?
It's not like he's never seen the card before or talked about it.
I dont get this format
Love watching LSV no matter what so it really doesn't matter, but watching MTGO really is going back to the stone ages.
I find MTGO to be much clearer in the draft layout. You can read the cards and read the cards in the deck.
Heck, even the games are better because you can always read the cards and on Arena I just see the card names and you have to hover all the time to see if you don't miss an ability on all those new cards.
I don t understand why you never take akh that combo with Bond
Surely you missed a sweet pun chance when you said, "peeling it off augur is also awkward" instead of .."augurward" :))
I think casualties of war was early enough to hard swap into golgari. It was better than every card in the deck by a mile.
I would've thought the same, but neither you nor I are better than LSV. I believe it is a learning opportunity rather than a time to critique.
I personally disagree. You really only want to take that card if you're already in Golgari because the cost is waaaaaaaayyy too restrictive
@@trinket3571 that's why you throw all the other garbage already drafted away
@@ChrisWalter0517 No wonder your username is Probably Jank. Sure, it's a fine card that you want in your Golgari decks, but it isn't something that should pull you into being Golgari. If you end up trying to force it, then chances are your deck will be bad because you probably ignored the signs of the colours you're in actually being open for a rare that is not at all splashable and forces you to stay those colours as a base, and then you miss out on a better overall deck. Sure, there will be times that it just works out, but overall you only take that card if you're already G/B. I mean, you do you and all, but that's why it was and should be ignored unless you're already in those colours.
Nice to see a WAR draft on MTGO.
I see LSV I click like.
XD I love rounds 2 and 3!
Man, my draft is REALLY distinct from your. Most cards you like to play, I pass hardly, like that 2nd pick Bond of passion.
I think Relentless Advance is a bad card.
In a vacuum it's absolutely terrible. With the numerous synergies in the set, it ends up being pretty good.
This match left a bad taste in my mouth
Like the way he pronounces that blue legendary creature
Fibblethip? It's canon.
please never stop saying Kronch
It seems insane to run 18 lands. I run 16 lands in every deck unless I'm running 7 drops or higher. Getting flooded is the worst.
Lots of scry and looting makes running more lands less of problem. Slims the chance of getting screwed OR flooded. Love running 18 lands in decks like these.
Super flood game 1. I don't like 18lands in this deck. ... but I'm not LSV. :-)
MTGO is much better to watch. Arena may bei better to play but i don't like all the effects hiding the cards.
Arena feels very sluggish to me sometimes even if the boards are fairly pretty
@@brandaccount5941 feels so to me too, arena is too flashy to me. But I get that some like flashy
Better to watch? 😂😂😂
@@doctormystic2156 Was there a mistake or are you laughing about my statement? Im German and always happy If i get corrected.
Merten B. You can hardly read any of the cards on MTGO so I never could understand that argument. It's difficult to even see the power and toughness.
I think g1 you should have killed more creatures with ral rather than pinging him in the face. At 27:45 could you target the token first with totally lost and ping the herald twice? The herald would die, amass the token and then the token would get totally lost.
Two can't target creatures
Ral***
@@DarkJester3 Guess we gonna see a lot more 'should've pinged a creature with ral' comments in the future..
I think before you make a comment like this especially to a high level player like LSV you should actually read the card you are trying to "explain" one more time.
He knows nothing of the Kronch
There's a lot to like in this set but the sheer number of games ruined by bombs makes it near-unplayable. It's not even that fun when you're on the winning side.
Why would anyone complain about an opponent killing all of your creatures for 8 mana? That can be done by some random boardclear for far less. Stop acting like its some kind of "luck"
Holy crap am I really starting to not like this draft format and this video highlights a lot of why.....the swings and the bombs are just too ridiculous.
mtgo is so much better to watch!
"this deck and augur of bolas is really good"
gets destroyed
When I was watching i thought... your deck doesn't do anything. And the first game really showed it.
not too excited about this limited environment, finales and god eternals just ruin it for me
Big oof
mtgo > arena
this
just another "prefer you on mtgo anyway" comment.....
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This format is so, so bad.
bad quality as usual from cfb
Pls play on mtgo instead of arena
This format is just boring if you have an ugin. Free wins left and right.
I hate this format.
This format is total bullshit. Hope to draw your bomb first. I've been drafting since Shards and this is worst shit I've played. Cracking packs from the set is fun though.
I drafted WOTS today for the first time. I started taking a green planeswalker followed by a blue one. I ended up in black/white because I ripped Lilliana in pack two. My deck was okay but in both matches I lost, when it came to top decking, I kept drawing lands which was frustrating or I had two 6 drops on my hand stuck on five lands.