The Ultimatum #10 - (Madlyn & Colby & April) - Therapist Reaction

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  • @jmorphiscave
    @jmorphiscave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I was proud of how Colby and April handled their coupling up. They seemed like they were rational and a friendship seemed to emerge.

  • @AmarieRedLipstick
    @AmarieRedLipstick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I am SO SO happy you’re still posting about this show because I’ve been so curious to see how you’ll respond to the end of the season.

    • @PsychologyInSeattle
      @PsychologyInSeattle  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah. I've been wanting to post this reactions for so long!

  • @moomoocachoo9025
    @moomoocachoo9025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm watching this with captions and when April said, "Be glad this man gave you an ultimatum." The captions said, "Be glad this man gave you an old tomato." 😂

  • @eternalgrowth7122
    @eternalgrowth7122 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    please put “love on the spectrum” on your list of shows to react to. i’m not sure if a lot of interesting stuff will come out of your face but man is that some wholesome content that you need in your life. i’ve been specifically watching the US version

    • @reyfin4922
      @reyfin4922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I love that show so much!! I love that the lady tells them to find people with common interests. A lot of people just want to find a partner to have attachment regardless of the quality of the relationship :(

    • @ghostfrequencies
      @ghostfrequencies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      no. as an autistic person, absolutely not; we already have too many nonautistic people talking about us and giving uninformed opinions. leave us alone. we don't exist so you can consume our lives as "wholesome content"

    • @sarahr2943
      @sarahr2943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it’s the definition of wholesome, as I was binge watching I could not keep the smile off my face ☺️

    • @theveganapprentice4069
      @theveganapprentice4069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! Such a cute show ❤

    • @newstartalltheway
      @newstartalltheway 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love this idea! Is focusing on folks on the spectrum outside of Dr. Kirk's area of expertise though? 🤔

  • @Meeexpxp
    @Meeexpxp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I think people also like using the more technical term of gaslighting over manipulating because it sounds more official and educated. It's probably a little bit trying to sound like they're serious and a little bit trying to give them some sort of authority by using something more professional

    • @taechic
      @taechic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think this is really it here. That's why all these clinical language has invaded the mainstream

    • @intuitivelogic5159
      @intuitivelogic5159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used gaslighting recently and when I did I wanted to retract it lol . I was trying to express a word that reflected my recollection of an event was being put in question by someone with an alternative understanding of what occurred that couldn't exist with mine , mutual exclusivity
      Not only did they think I wrong but that my recollection was also absurd , although I was very confident of it , and still am
      I think the term gaslight ( from a colloquial perspective) can be used to express a manipulation where your understanding of an event was put into question , stand alone circumstance
      I'm ok with that !

  • @unicornL
    @unicornL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Honestly Madlyn's face when April was talking about Colby cracked me up. She was like WITAF?
    Also I think Colby just thinks he knows everything and it gets under your skin lol

  • @samanthajohansen5172
    @samanthajohansen5172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I haven’t been watching much lately because I recently finally got back into therapy after a few years, and I feel so much more self aware from watching this channel. I feel like for the first time I’m actually able to absorb the benefits from therapy and I’m already feeling even more aware of myself :)

  • @FeistyPancakes
    @FeistyPancakes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Thank you for this video, Dr. Honda!
    Within the first few scenes of the season, I disliked Colby. As a woman who has almost married someone similar, that kind of persistent jabbing and judgement can really corrode a person's sense of self. It can leave you with a foggy picture of who you are and what you need. I think sometimes Madlyn is so flippant and annoyed regarding him because it's the only way she knows how to fight for herself. I think this becomes more apparent once they live together again. She is a strong-willed person but her self-esteem is held hostage by him. She's not prone to feeling "good enough," and his self-assured speech is intoxicating when positively directed at her.
    If he is at all like my ex, I imagine the following unfolded:
    In the beginning of the relationship, he mirrored all the positive aspects of who Madlyn was. She felt like she was seen and finally found the one. He was able to push past her walls from a negative history with the males in her life. (You learn about this when she's talking to her mom.) He shows up and sticks around. He raised her high up on a pedestal and showered her in compliments about her looks, mind, body, strength of will, etc.
    As the dust from the whirlwind romance started to settle, she felt more like asserting herself and doing her own thing. She was likely caught off guard when the things he had been praising her for were now getting in the way of her being lovable. And because she's a fairly balanced person (and he is not), it was easy for her to assume he must understand something she doesn't.
    People like him will typically say "You've changed. You're not the person I fell in love with." "I know you better than you know yourself." The lovable version of you is now something he has to 'fight for' since you are in the way of receiving his love.
    Lots of shaming and crazy-making behaviors ensue. It's a vicious cycle of trying to stand up for yourself but also wanting to be seen by this person you once admired. You reason with yourself "Well, he does have some good points. Hmm, maybe I'm not as smart as he thought I was. Maybe he sees potential in me that I didn't know was there. Maybe I am in the way of true love."
    The gradual unfolding of toxic behavior in a relationship like this reminds me of the frog that doesn't realize they are slowly being boiled alive.
    TLDR; I get bad vibes from Colby.
    Anyway, hope that made some sense to someone.
    Thanks again for all of your hard work putting together this content for us to enjoy and learn from!

    • @aardfay
      @aardfay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I understand this very well. Colby's controlling impulses and fake feminist facade really gross me out.
      Personally I had an ex who liked how confident and free I was at first but soon enough those were all problems that made him too insecure and needed to be fixed. By the end of our relationship he acted like the most feminist guy on the outside while hating and trying to destroy every woman in his life. He had issues with his dad but was too much of a coward to ever confront him about it, instead turned his hate to women, to his mother, to me.

    • @FeistyPancakes
      @FeistyPancakes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aardfay Wait. Were we dating the same dude?! Hahahaha.

    • @aardfay
      @aardfay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FeistyPancakes there are too many men like this :/ I'm glad he's out of your life!

  • @kayann100
    @kayann100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    It’s wild that Madelyn now has a kid with someone she seems to despise so much 😳😳😳

    • @or6712
      @or6712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yeah. Mind BLOWN. The editors did an amazing job. Did not see that twist coming....

    • @TheGamingFilly
      @TheGamingFilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Can you delete this or at least put a "spoiler warning" for Kirk? He has said he doesn't want spoilers in the comments so he can react authentically, but he still does read his comments weekly in order to make his "comments reaction" videos. 😕

    • @marycervantes3298
      @marycervantes3298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s what I was thinking in the first episode it seemed like she really did not like him

    • @GreenBlue8840
      @GreenBlue8840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGamingFilly You know people don't like following directions.

    • @sarlut
      @sarlut 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow spoiled it for me now😅😅😅😅😅

  • @reyfin4922
    @reyfin4922 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    When Kirk said people were commenting that Colby gaslit April I was like " Huh? This show was so long ago I must have forgotten that"

    • @jclyntoledo
      @jclyntoledo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah I think he got her name mixed up with Madelyn

    • @PsychologyInSeattle
      @PsychologyInSeattle  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah. That was the main comment I was getting at first.

  • @BarbaraThorndyke
    @BarbaraThorndyke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I never understood why Madelyn stayed with Colby when she seemed to despise everything about him. And Colby doesn't even bother me like he does other people.

  • @eurosis
    @eurosis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think people generally dislike Colby and in this moment with April when he's being nice they can't really reconcile that with their negative view of him and therefore frame it as manipulation? That's my hypothesis. Colby has lots of terrible moments on the show, that conversation just wasn't one of them, but it's hard for people to accept that people can have many layers to them.

  • @lindseyblumell8194
    @lindseyblumell8194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Is the word confident for Colby? Or is it condescending? Dr Honda demonstrates what is appropriate in the moment: ask questions. Colby isn't interested in what April has to say...he's interested in telling April what she should think because he assumes to know better.

  • @breezyvonweezy723
    @breezyvonweezy723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the thing that gets people heated about Colby is that he’s putting himself in this “teacher” position to all the women. It’s like he’s crediting himself when he praises April. Almost like “look how much better I’ve made you” after their week together. Even though she was the one who gave the ultimatum he still needs to change her. He said a similar thing to Lauren earlier in the show, essentially offering to “fix” her by convincing her to become a mother. And then ultimately “fixing” Madeline by bringing her on the show in the first place.

  • @sarahge8020
    @sarahge8020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Dr. Honda, I think you missed some important subtext here. Calling black women “aggressive” is a racist/sexist accusation often made (ie the Angry Black Woman trope) and I think that is partially why Shanique responded with the sentiment of “you need to reword that.”

    • @VG-ul5sq
      @VG-ul5sq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      agreed

    • @PsychologyInSeattle
      @PsychologyInSeattle  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm aware of that racist trope. Did I do that? Yikes. That's awful.

    • @katiazaytseva9267
      @katiazaytseva9267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I thought Colby was saying Madelyn was the one that used "aggressive" words and that Randall wouldn't be able to handle it if they ended up being a couple. Pretty much saying I Colby could handle Madelyn's words and you Randall can't. I could be wrong though, just how I interpreted it.

    • @sarahge8020
      @sarahge8020 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@katiazaytseva9267 ohhhh you might be right. When he talks about “her” being aggressive, it’s hard to tell from the clips here who he’s talking about. I’d have to watch the whole thing back to see.

  • @virginiasoares826
    @virginiasoares826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Yep, Colby really annoys me as well. This superior tone and the veiled insults, grrrr

  • @poponachtschnecke
    @poponachtschnecke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I think Colby means well, but maybe he's just not intelligent or knowledgeable enough to know that he doesn't know everything. Also maybe he hasn't suffered a significant failure in life yet.

  • @lissy5851
    @lissy5851 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yessss! Been waiting for more ultimatum videos 🎉🙌🏻😊

  • @MathPiHanan
    @MathPiHanan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Would you describe Colby’s way of talking down to people as passive aggressive?

    • @jclyntoledo
      @jclyntoledo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I would say it's condescending

    • @superhotnutjob
      @superhotnutjob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, because he is saying pretty straight-forwardly what he thinks. But definitely sanctimonious.

    • @TheGamingFilly
      @TheGamingFilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm guessing not since I think he tends to assess "passive aggression" in terms of the personality disorder. He did a deep dive on the PD which you might find interesting.

  • @tulip5210
    @tulip5210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:10 no it’s just that we’re not at the part people feel that at yet, we’ll see what people are upset about towards the end. I mean it is still not gaslighting what you’ll see but some degree of manipulation and distortion, definetly lying.
    Edit: actually I’m wrong, what I mean is the majority, or atleast me felt that. people did feel that before. That is when I atleast thought it is later in the season and he did feel to me a bit offhand with some comments he makes early on but didn’t think anything of it.

  • @justmeok2
    @justmeok2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Off topic but im REALLY looking forward to more of your Jorge and Anfisa videos haha

    • @ngkvys3315
      @ngkvys3315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Theyre painful to watch tho lol

  • @michellemanibal6755
    @michellemanibal6755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone watch Welcome to Plathville? I would love Dr.Hondas take on their family dynamics!

  • @zena269
    @zena269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe Colby was cut deeply by Madlyn's words at some point in their relationship. Since he says Madlyn's words can be aggressive, that could mean that he may have felt attacked or even victimized at some point. Bear in mind, it says nothing about whether or not Madlyn was objectively "aggressive." Colby may be projecting his vulnerability onto Randall and unconsciously becoming the aggressor towards Madlyn. I hear a more energetic charge in the tone of his voice as he starts to speak about Madlyn being "strong" and see a hand gesture almost pointing that could contain the quality of his aggression towards her. It can be hard for people reared to "be tough" to accept their feelings of vulnerability and hurt. Colby appears confident, as if his perspective is "the truth." It is possible that he actually feels insecure or wounded. He may need time to grow his self-awareness to be able to see how much strength it takes to admit to his vulnerabilities. It is also possible that there is some or a lot of truth to his assessment that Madlyn uses aggressive words at times. If he feels vulnerable, which he may not or may not be aware of, but if he is aware and feels vulnerable, his words could have been more congruent if he said something like, "I felt hurt when Madlyn said some things to me. I still feel hurt, and now I'm feeling some concern for you Randall because I guess I'm still scared thinking that something similar might happen to you. But, maybe it was just what came up for me, and I'll see things differently once I have more time to process. I feel a bit overwhelmed, actually." To me, his word choices bordered on being accusatory and insulting. It can be better to directly come out with an accusation, though, so that everyone can hopefully ultimately clear the air and sort it all out… Really appreciating, Kirk, how you model using a dialectical process to make room for so many possibilities!

  • @cherine7387
    @cherine7387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Please react to Teal Swan's documentary "The deep end" and tell us what you think! I'm so curious!! 😅

  • @sydneyandrae5265
    @sydneyandrae5265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Colby definitely seems condescending and asserts his opinion when he doesn't have a close enough personal relationship with the people he is talking to, to be saying the things he says. like who are you to be telling everyone what they should do and if they can handle certain things 😂

  • @micfrich8786
    @micfrich8786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As a woman who does not ever want children, I found Colby's attitude regarding children to be...very 1950s... It's been too long, so I don't remember all of the examples, but I do NOT like Colby in the slightest.

  • @alexhaleniuk4852
    @alexhaleniuk4852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    April said that they were the only ones that developed a brother-sister relationship during the 3 weeks and during the reunion both re-chose themselves

  • @reneewoodside45
    @reneewoodside45 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad you talked about the difference between gaslighting and manipulation. It drives me nutso that people are constantly misusing that term.

  • @soyandoat4106
    @soyandoat4106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    as a woman, I genuinely have issues with the way Colby talks. So I agree with you Dr Honda

  • @Ola_Stawinska
    @Ola_Stawinska 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yeah, the whole Colby is just annoying. I don't know if i could stand to stay in the same room with him :D

  • @Nica91yogo
    @Nica91yogo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I cant wait to see your reaction to the scene with Zay and Ray and her family, and later scenes with him. Finally a masculine guy like him tries to express himself genuinely, and everyone around him just shutting him down (the women mainly). Makes me really reflect on how I treated men and partners and how women actually apply toxic masculinity on men too.

    • @PsychologyInSeattle
      @PsychologyInSeattle  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. Zay showed both extremes: vulnerability about his trauma and emotions and some other issues.

  • @myra3266
    @myra3266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I actually really like Colby. I feel like I can empathize with him and he does seem emotional to me…I was more upset with Madelyn this season..she rubbed me the wrong way

  • @teamrooni4702
    @teamrooni4702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like Colby more than anyone else on the show. He is very charismatic. He seems to be honest and listens to other people. Still a low bar. I appreciate confident people.

  • @bisibisbi
    @bisibisbi ปีที่แล้ว

    The word I would use to describe Colby´s attitude is "patronizing".

  • @lkiyia
    @lkiyia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Colby felt to me like "meh, just a prick, not the worst, just not for me". Z though...

  • @oisheesen7949
    @oisheesen7949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it's interesting that this process of borrowing from psychological terms to lend weight to insults is so old in English-- I'm thinking of the r-word or even words like idiot or moron. It seems to stem from this urge to alienate the person. Like, to say someone is self-centered keeps them within a normal range of human interaction (which is usually where people are). But to say they have NPD is actually a way of othering their (probably normal, if bad) behavior.

  • @PaleLittleGirl2
    @PaleLittleGirl2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really liked Colby at first and he got more and more cringe as it went on 😳

  • @intuitivelogic5159
    @intuitivelogic5159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like Colby but I can see how the way he talks can come off a certain way to people, maybe if he worked on expressing confidence levels within his statements it would remedy some of the ways he comes off
    For example my use of maybe !!

  • @myra3266
    @myra3266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Colby I think talks that way because he is essentially fighting for the lady he wants to marry

  • @chelseas1346
    @chelseas1346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it’s interesting that others were triggered by colby! I found him to be the most compelling and likeable in the show, and I thought he seemed to be a very good listener. weird how much perceptions differ!

  • @soyandoat4106
    @soyandoat4106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the first part, colby was negging her!

  • @tweetyiscute
    @tweetyiscute 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    There’s definitely an arrogance and sense of entitlement that Colby exhumes BECAUSE he gave the ultimatum to Madlyn. Colby does wants to be w Madlyn forever. Unlike Randall who has been given excuses to Shanique as to why he has not proposed yet. To some extent, he considers himself to be a full grown ass adult man (along w the privileges of being White) for imposing (giving) an ultimatum which allows him to belittle Randall by making such remarks on his relationship w both Madlyn and Shanique. Colby does come across racist in his critics without directly using any terminology associated with “race talk”.

  • @poponachtschnecke
    @poponachtschnecke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagining next year you'll be completely infested with bunnies and or coyotes

    • @newstartalltheway
      @newstartalltheway 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some would say that areas of Seattle already are! You can see coyotes roaming busy neighborhoods now, unfortunately for us and them.

  • @nvelasquez4216
    @nvelasquez4216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wow, guess I'm early :D

  • @dreaoca
    @dreaoca 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another rant about gas lighting 😂

  • @sarlut
    @sarlut 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How I would describe Colby🤔 Nice and beautiful jerk😂 (hes attractive) but yeah I dont like the words narcassism being thrown around cuz these are not terms to be taken lightly

  • @eftanaziq
    @eftanaziq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not triggered by Colby and I don't really understand why people dislike him that much. I figured that his confidence and know-it-all-ness might come from him feeling like an old person in his soul. I am a bit like that as well. I am 25 but I have always felt much older than my age in my way of thinking. This leads to speaking with mild calm voice, speaking to peers like an older person and connecting with older people. It can definitely come a cross annoying to others tho. Also he seems like a cowboy guy which is more concervative which I think is acceptable because there are people like that. He also seems pretty open for conversation and working on their relationship which I find great and applaudable.

  • @alexandrasardellis9893
    @alexandrasardellis9893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    IMPORTANT, Dr Kirk if you have lawyers you maybe should let them look into your channel being labelled as anti-Amber Heard and describing you as "Counsellor, body language analyst", there is a list of other yt channels as well being called incels and red pills and so on.
    For someone as fair as yourself, always trying to avoid bias and showing so much understanding and empathy towards A.H and others in all your videos I am offended for you 😔

    • @dedu98
      @dedu98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's TH-cam. Its fine. Let them hate.

    • @SicYennefer
      @SicYennefer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      May I ask where is this list? And who made it?