Being a miner meant being part of a community and brotherhood so close they use to save up their money and build houses right next to each other and close to work and they were hard working strong proud men that risked their lives everytime they went down that shaft and this was the gratitude they received
Take your rose tinted spectacles off...Miners didn't save & build houses next to each other, they either lived in coal board housing or normal existing housing... & sad to say, deep mined British coal was an increasingly expensive & surplus resource that was dwindling in it's requirement & had been in decline for years... Can't keep a nationalised industry producing an unwanted product just for the sake of community & brotherhood. Scargill should have focused on the future, & secured alternative careers & revenue incomes for his precious membership.
@@liamc9425 WE had votes...and areas voted to come out...Notts voted to stay at work...we asked them not to crss a picket line... but they used excuse-no vote...but they had voted---carry on working...I;m alright Jack...f_ck you...becuase they thought their pits would not close...but they did...Thatcher loved em...diivide and conquer...now look at the state of the country...run by crooks
Where did you get that information from. If it's from watching the telly I'm not interested in your opinion. If it's from being an eye witness say so. @@MarkHarrison733
@@lewis123417 I'm aware of that. Britain was long regarded as the 'sick man of Europe'. Change was needed and it needed to be radical. However, Thatcher completely disregarded the fact that people were affected. Real human beings trying to feed their families. I'm not from a mining community so I have no axe to grind or long held cultural distain for Thatcher in my background. On the contrary, my home town has been a tory safe seat for generations. I'm aware of what she did, her intentions and the context. I just know that she did not do enough to protect the real human beings she hurt.
I lived in that community at that time. Miners were well paid - and rightly so. Thatcher wanted the mines to be closed down as they were unable to compete with imported coal from Europe. Big problem. But the union played their members for political ends. It was savage. It pitted people against people, never mind politicians against their opponents. Thatcher had no plan for the welfare of the people she would displace from the employment market, just as she had no plan for the housing of people who saw social housing being 'sold' to tenants with no right for the vendors (councils) to invest the money they received into new housing. I have never understood this / her logic. I am still waiting in 2024 for an explanation. One thing to remember: governments opposed to the actions of their predecessors do not repeal legislation they were opposed to in opposition. They use their objections to get votes but ever actually undo anything once they have the means to do so. A tweek here, a tweek there or ignore the issue completely. Never trust a politician: they want your vote but have no interest in your welfare once they have it -no matter what colour of rosesett they wear.
Hello Kay. That's an impressive reflection and account of events, including a very perceptive acknowledgement of cause and effect. Living in Australia, we are legally obliged to vote at all levels - local, state and federal (national). Luckily for us, we have a bona fide socialist candidate who has stood in our area for over a decade now, so at least we know our vote is safe with them. Coincidentally, I had arrived as a very wee lad to England in 1983, so with the miner's strike and Northern Ireland, I thought Britain had lost its' marbles but was far too young to process and understand why. This was probably compounded with living in the bit where the South East and East Anglia overlap, so it was like watching it all through a prism from inside a bubble. I had no idea at that age that we were living in one of the least affected areas. Probably has something to do with it being Tory until this year (later Dorries, don't let your IQ slither under the door on your way out)
Well well Labour closed 305 pits tories 152 freedom of information Labour in power tony Blair carried on selling council property. 2024 mines closed but Germany still has coal mines
& how many of those 305 pits were clapped out, shagged out, running out of seams, needing massive top side & underground investment, or producing a product that was surplus to the needs of the power generating customers...??? You dreamers would have happily kept on mining coal at a massive annual loss producing even more massive surplus stockpiles...reality bites. 🙄
We imported coal for a long time after the Strike...from nations that subsidised their coal far more than ours...in fact our subsidies were very low indeed...and many viable pits were closed...they used to fix accounts by setting up a face...then not mining it...then putting it on the accounts to say...ohh...its no longer viable...they did this at the pit that I worked at...then closed it...monstrous and criminal what was done to justify the unjustifiable...so much money thrown down the toilet...simply to change us from a social democacry to a neoliberal capitalist state...now owned by rich foreign investors...who do not give a f_ck about the country or the people...and neither do most of the politicians... for if they did...they would have ensured the heavy industries remained open...and ensured their people worked for a living...rather than claiming dole and suffering poverty and health issues...IT STINKS...so many lies damnable lies...and evil lies...
I can see both sides of the argument but we still need coal and instead of paying our own men to mine it we import foreign coal because it’s more economical at the point of paying. It’s destroyed 2 generations of working men who felt mining was their birthright, decimated whole communities and left the country completely dependent on foreign imports. Let’s hope these foreign countries never decide to sanction the British economy for all the war crimes we enable around the world or that they decide to hike prices. I’m no socialist but I could make an exception in this case
Millions have suffered due to the policies, lies and thefts of the politicians, the rich bankers and corporations...and the police and legal community...lives ruined...innocent men criminalised...who lost their livelihoods...and yes...amongst thousands of violent attacks, almost all by police, including on innocent passers- by and children...beaten, killed, and injured...and you pull that one out of your rabbit hat...idiot...
Steadily declined in the UK since 1910? I think that there was more demand for coal-mining back then as,most things ran on coal-power,to power machinery like: steam-turbines in ships,power-stations,heat for homes,etc.
Being a miner meant being part of a community and brotherhood so close they use to save up their money and build houses right next to each other and close to work and they were hard working strong proud men that risked their lives everytime they went down that shaft and this was the gratitude they received
They should have stuck by the vote
Take your rose tinted spectacles off...Miners didn't save & build houses next to each other, they either lived in coal board housing or normal existing housing...
& sad to say, deep mined British coal was an increasingly expensive & surplus resource that was dwindling in it's requirement & had been in decline for years... Can't keep a nationalised industry producing an unwanted product just for the sake of community & brotherhood.
Scargill should have focused on the future, & secured alternative careers & revenue incomes for his precious membership.
They tried to bring down the elected government.
@@liamc9425 WE had votes...and areas voted to come out...Notts voted to stay at work...we asked them not to crss a picket line... but they used excuse-no vote...but they had voted---carry on working...I;m alright Jack...f_ck you...becuase they thought their pits would not close...but they did...Thatcher loved em...diivide and conquer...now look at the state of the country...run by crooks
It's time the Battle of Orgreave was shown the way it happened and not the way the lickspittle BBC chose to cut the footage.
The miners attacked the police horses.
Where did you get that information from. If it's from watching the telly I'm not interested in your opinion. If it's from being an eye witness say so. @@MarkHarrison733
@@MarkHarrison733 What were police horses doing at the mines?
@@TheCam920 Preventing a Communist uprising.
Thatcher: Economy before people
looks like they are deleting comments from here... bit like Thatcher and her bullies sweeping things under the carpet
Wait until you realise that the economy is actually important for people to survive
@@lewis123417 I understand that completely. Maybe one day you'll understand that Thatcher took it too far.
@@Anonymouseys the unions took it too far all through the 70s, if nothing was done we would have defaulted and been permanently the sick man of Europe
@@lewis123417 I'm aware of that. Britain was long regarded as the 'sick man of Europe'. Change was needed and it needed to be radical. However, Thatcher completely disregarded the fact that people were affected. Real human beings trying to feed their families. I'm not from a mining community so I have no axe to grind or long held cultural distain for Thatcher in my background. On the contrary, my home town has been a tory safe seat for generations. I'm aware of what she did, her intentions and the context. I just know that she did not do enough to protect the real human beings she hurt.
I lived in that community at that time. Miners were well paid - and rightly so. Thatcher wanted the mines to be closed down as they were unable to compete with imported coal from Europe. Big problem. But the union played their members for political ends. It was savage. It pitted people against people, never mind politicians against their opponents. Thatcher had no plan for the welfare of the people she would displace from the employment market, just as she had no plan for the housing of people who saw social housing being 'sold' to tenants with no right for the vendors (councils) to invest the money they received into new housing.
I have never understood this / her logic. I am still waiting in 2024 for an explanation.
One thing to remember: governments opposed to the actions of their predecessors do not repeal legislation they were opposed to in opposition. They use their objections to get votes but ever actually undo anything once they have the means to do so. A tweek here, a tweek there or ignore the issue completely.
Never trust a politician: they want your vote but have no interest in your welfare once they have it -no matter what colour of rosesett they wear.
Hello Kay. That's an impressive reflection and account of events, including a very perceptive acknowledgement of cause and effect.
Living in Australia, we are legally obliged to vote at all levels - local, state and federal (national). Luckily for us, we have a bona fide socialist candidate who has stood in our area for over a decade now, so at least we know our vote is safe with them.
Coincidentally, I had arrived as a very wee lad to England in 1983, so with the miner's strike and Northern Ireland, I thought Britain had lost its' marbles but was far too young to process and understand why. This was probably compounded with living in the bit where the South East and East Anglia overlap, so it was like watching it all through a prism from inside a bubble. I had no idea at that age that we were living in one of the least affected areas. Probably has something to do with it being Tory until this year (later Dorries, don't let your IQ slither under the door on your way out)
Well well Labour closed 305 pits tories 152 freedom of information Labour in power tony Blair carried on selling council property. 2024 mines closed but Germany still has coal mines
& how many of those 305 pits were clapped out, shagged out, running out of seams, needing massive top side & underground investment, or producing a product that was surplus to the needs of the power generating customers...???
You dreamers would have happily kept on mining coal at a massive annual loss producing even more massive surplus stockpiles...reality bites. 🙄
We imported coal for a long time after the Strike...from nations that subsidised their coal far more than ours...in fact our subsidies were very low indeed...and many viable pits were closed...they used to fix accounts by setting up a face...then not mining it...then putting it on the accounts to say...ohh...its no longer viable...they did this at the pit that I worked at...then closed it...monstrous and criminal what was done to justify the unjustifiable...so much money thrown down the toilet...simply to change us from a social democacry to a neoliberal capitalist state...now owned by rich foreign investors...who do not give a f_ck about the country or the people...and neither do most of the politicians... for if they did...they would have ensured the heavy industries remained open...and ensured their people worked for a living...rather than claiming dole and suffering poverty and health issues...IT STINKS...so many lies damnable lies...and evil lies...
IWorkedAtThurcroft,And,Margaret,Thatcher,Was,TheRuination,Of,TheMining,Industrie
Nationalising the mines was the ruination of the mining industry.
Down a mine is no place for human beings to work, if there was ever an industry which needed total automation it was this one.
so now we have lithium mines ???
You have no idea
I can see both sides of the argument but we still need coal and instead of paying our own men to mine it we import foreign coal because it’s more economical at the point of paying. It’s destroyed 2 generations of working men who felt mining was their birthright, decimated whole communities and left the country completely dependent on foreign imports. Let’s hope these foreign countries never decide to sanction the British economy for all the war crimes we enable around the world or that they decide to hike prices. I’m no socialist but I could make an exception in this case
Doesn't mention the taxi driver in South Wales who was murdered by two miners who chucked a slab through his windscreen
Yes,but both miners got arrested by police for his murder.
Millions have suffered due to the policies, lies and thefts of the politicians, the rich bankers and corporations...and the police and legal community...lives ruined...innocent men criminalised...who lost their livelihoods...and yes...amongst thousands of violent attacks, almost all by police, including on innocent passers- by and children...beaten, killed, and injured...and you pull that one out of your rabbit hat...idiot...
Here’s to the British MINERS: th-cam.com/video/HWIuuAaIukY/w-d-xo.html
The coal industry had steadily declined in the UK since 1910.
Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.
@@MC-io7ru Coal mining would have ended anyway due to the Climate Change Act.
Labour has destroyed the steel industry with net zero.
O dear
@@tezer3496 You can't have coal mines and net zero.
@@JamesRichards-mj9kwgood point.
Steadily declined in the UK since 1910?
I think that there was more demand for coal-mining back then as,most things ran on coal-power,to power machinery like: steam-turbines in ships,power-stations,heat for homes,etc.