@@chiefbaalbec If there isnt media to use, there isnt anything you can do... We can only use the media thats available... We do this for fun... Many times these podcasts are done on a hour notice.. We dont want it to go to the "next level", we battle to make time as it is...
70 years old been lifting for 50 plus years as you get older you will get more and more aches and pains, I am still active but definitely feeling the aches and pains some days.
I'm 72 years old and lift twice/week and do cardio and shoulder therapy exercises twice/week. So, three off days. My problem is muscle recovery takes longer now than in my younger years.
@@setlaxsoccer77exactly,They can't do that,it will drastically put a question mark on open class...the way CBum was compared and competed he could've won it,but judges can't give him the win
The issue is not martin's win. Its the scorecard making 0 sense. At predjuging martin was off, his tan was a mess and he couldn't control his stomach. At the end of predjuging he was a mess and I believe most of us thought Chris with his impeccable Tan, presentation and superior structure, condition and detail should've prevailed. Or at the very least be close in the scorecards. At finals sure martin tightened up and posed better and deservingly won the nightshow but the predjuging scores are fishy to say the least
Because a good tan and structure doesn't make you the more complete, round and full bodybuilder. Chris is amazing but he lacks the muscle required to win open, he still looks amazing, ridiculous even but he is smaller in so many bodyparts he's not going to win.
@@rankcolour8780if you are talking completeness then Chris was the better bodybuilder on that day hands down. Someone having more size doesn't mean nothing, otherwise Markus ruhl would have won 8 Olympia's.
@@jaredmuller171 I see you don't understand what completeness means. It's not related to size. For example Breon is more complete than Chris but he is not grossly oversized. What do you think completeness means?
@rankcolour8780 balance, condition, symmetry and muscularity. You are comparing breon to Chris which is classic physique. This is a bodybuilding show, which yes, muscularity is one of the criteria, but Chris has Martin beat on balance, symmetry and condition. A long with his presentation and posing, he was more complete on the day. Is Martin a better bodybuilder than Chris? I'd say yes, but Chris beat him in that prejudging.
I do not know how people can't see that Cbum has a flatter physique which is suitable for Classic and not for Open! Open needs that Pop, round muscle bellies like Phil Heath or Roelly Winklaar, Dexter Jackson ofcourse like Mr. J Himself
@@startingtech3900no it didn’t. He is thin in the most muscular. His traps look bigger because he is able to shrug them. Look at them from the back and you’ll see. His arms are terrible and martin is just too thick for him.
It all depends on what the judging criteria is. Chris is my overall favorite bodybuilder today, I think he represents the perfect balance between mass and aesthetics. I also think this body type appeals to more people in general. However, this doesn't mean he should win an open show that has open judging criteria. The fact that he got 2nd is shocking and speaks volumes of how good he is.
"Mass" Not for open. Andrew is a FREAK! But he's too small. Ronnie turned pro after winning at the world championships. He was bigger than Chris and placed dead last most shows because he wasn't big enough. Keon do an open show, with all those beautiful lines he will be 4th or 5th because he's too small
Open judging criteria needs reevaluation. Open was once about more than just mass, it’s not like chris is all that small compared to most of these guys. How does he win every other metric, yet mass is the biggest reason he got second? Mass should not be THAT much of a factor imo.
@@Hammerhead1986 That’s what i’m saying man, just because classic physique exists it’s like people only want to see freaks in Open, which granted that’s where they all are but still there has to be more nuance than just “oh he’s huge, he wins, it’s Open”
I had Martin ever since chum announced him doing open and that’s because cbum’s muscles alone seem weak, quads,arms, and back don’t have that full, round, dense look even though he has size it just helps with his shape. But Martin’s size all around just looked way more complete and still with pretty shape.
Marty and Chris both looked great. Very different physiques. As for bodybuilding Marty won most shots head to head and the package is better. Chris fans of course wanted him to win and a part of me did too, but I think this was the right call
Could you imagine the Top 9 at the O next year if Cbum and Behroutz get there? It'd be like Samson, Hadi, Derek, Martin, Nick, AJ, Hunter, Cbum, Behroutz. The judges would have a hell of a time putting them in order. Another great podcast appreciate it.
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CBUM really is just one of a kind. Truly a hybrid that encompasses best of classic and open right out the gate let alone with another 15 lbs added to that frame. In a lot ways he is really the Arnold of our time with the combination of height, shape, lines , and stage presence. That said, given his health concerns, I would say as much as we all want to see him full blown we should respect where he is in life and appreciate what he has given us to view in awe 👏
Im surprised no one pointed out that Chris's back made everyone look tiny on the Olympia stage, definitely one of his best assets in classic but in open his back just didn't measure up. Very interesting distinction between classic and open
CBUM wasn't robbed, but the pre judging is suspect, Martin wasn't on and Chris was then the reversal the next day with Martin looking like we know he can, but to have it be 3-3 is weird to me
@@Devin_215Tv cbum also has way better muscle quality (grainy, separated) and he has way way better lines and shape. I think he looked way more impressive, but obviously the scoring criteria weighs size a lot
Andrea presti was 8th in prejudging scorecards despite being in the 3rd callout. The scorecards have been manipulated and there should be more transparency. A wrap up from Tyler Manion/ Steve would help with the 'politics' accusations
This interesting, great pod cast,chris was a real threat just in 3 weeks prep,if he put on another 15 lbs of quality muscle he would definitely be a real threat in open,especially as he's still very young but loads of knowledge and wisdom to win,winning is in his DNA
Chris should do an easy show right before the Olympia to qualify so he could spend most the year gaining. If he had a good 4 weeks between shows he could perfectly time a big recomp and come in blasting full at the Olympia and still shredded. I bet he would easily be 10 lbs heavier than Prague at 6 over classic. 16 lbs over classic at the Olympia and leaner than Prague like classic peeled he is top 3 for sure. And if he put on another 1 the following year he’d be 25-26 lbs over classic and by far the most shredded guy on stage with a tiny waste nuts to all the bubble guts it’s a wrap. If he commits to balls out for 2 years he wins Mr O next year
Your glasses look good. I recommend frameless glasses they can look very good with right shape. Thats what I like to wear. You can have many glasses for variation.
Based off literally every analyst breakdown of pre judging…Chris was a clear winner of that round. To see the scorecard you can’t help but feel like that were never going to give Chris 1st…it was a show for fun..up and coming Martin got his ‘25 qualification…Chris walks away not needing one and “retiring” 🤷♂️
Well....I don't know who are all these analysts...but in direct comparisons with Martin...listen to Jay's, Matt's and mine analysis here....I think we do explain everything.
@ every outlet that did live updates, post prejudge wrap ups, even people in the crowd all said the same thing respectfully. Martins presentation, condition, posing and stage presence was off. If you go back to all outlets and all channels 99% with the exception of Greg douchette had Chris clearly leading night 1. I respect your opinion but it is heavily out weighed by even Fouad martins boss…
Thanks giys another good episode. With Chris Bumstead being a classic Olympia winner would this give him an automatic qualification for the open if he wanted to come out of no where down the road and decide to do it? I know this works with pro cards crossing divisions but not sure in this matter with winners.
Alot of pros had cbum winning prejudging.. If open is all about size how did clarida beat regan and sergio at legion??. How did matias at prague beat horse.. Matias was from classic like chris.. Judging is all over the place
Chris has a level of detail that no one else has and I think open guys just a little exposed next to him with their heavy reliance on high levels of insulin and GH.
@@TurkeysGoGobble yeah and i disagreed with him as mr. o and honestly, we haven't had a totally convincing mr olympia since phil. cbum wins and wins big in his division which has really shaken up enthusiasm for open. i mean, brandon curry?? derek? it seems like they have no clue what they really are looking for anymore.
Cbum and Martin were comparable at prejudging because Martin was slightly off and Cbum was the complete package BUT at the final, Martin was impeccable and deserved the win
@@LuisLopez-vp2nw he was holding water, he tore parts of his hamstring and his posing was very awkward and he was visibly hurting; Compared to Cbums imense Aura and perfect presentation
I 100% agree with Jay! the criteria is changing and IMO for the better, I'm 33 and been lifting since I was 11 and your average person including myself doesn't like how big and full the open bodybuilders are today. It's just not pleasing to the eye to look at. sorry if that hurts some feelers also just so unhealthy for the athletes up there and pushes young men more into the drugs. Chris is a breath of fresh air for the fans and looks the best on stage. Anyways just want to say I'm a huge fan of yours still. Rember going to a garage sale when I was little and my dad buying me a huge box full of flex and muscle and fitness magazines, I read them all from to back and you were in just about every one of them.
My opinion is judges did not vote for cbum for 1st because he was done after this show. They instead voted for Martin who has many years of competition left. This win takes martin to olympia. If cbum won (which i think he really did) it would have been a waste of an olympia ticket.
It's normal that fans thought cbum won because we are watching and judging based on classic physique standard. Ultimately, it's still an open bb show, and we knew Martin was the rightful winner.
No one had Martin winning prejudge. He started sweating horrid and was holding a film over him. Finals different story. But for them to have Martin winning prejudging is absolutely nuts
The Fitzwater fan train took off a little to early for me. Hunter labrada started with a 4th place Olympia to, but that got corrected the following year. Lets see where the story ends. Certainly not better then Bumstead, Its apples and oranges. A standard up and coming open bodybuilder and an much more esthetic classic guy who only got out muscled slightly.
Hunter only got 4th because the lineup was weak that year. Once all this new talent has joined in the last couple years he is getting placed much lower.
So Chris wasn't big and dense enough to beat Martin, but was good enough to finish second. Chris brought the most aesthetic physique to open since Frank Zane and 93 Flex Wheeler.
IMHO Cbum didn't have the mass to win. It's open. His shape and definition is great... but he just doesn't have the mass to win open. You could really tell in the back. Just an opinion.
Martin was bigger and had bigger shoulders, arms, and legs except wasn't shredded and traps were tiny vs CBum. Martin also has too much GH gut going for him. He was on the verge of open class. CBum has the perfection classic body.
I feel as if bodybuilding has a hard time getting the balance between conditioning/shape vs size/density. Dorian Yates was one of those guys who brought the best of both worlds in my opinion.
Not robbed, fans and viewers confusing what looks good to their eyes (CBums wonderful physique) with what wins an open show (Martin’s exceptional physique)
Chris can’t get Samsons muscle belly or his back. He’s nice to look at and the Goat of his Division. How does Regan always end up in these conversations, the dude isn’t making any noise.
Mike Tyson took a dive for the bag 💰. He was pulling punches and biting his gloves to keep himself from killing him. They practically payed him not to kill Jake Paul.
Fans judge with their hearts. Not heads. Steve was the head judge correct? Well I'm sure he got it right. Its OPEN Bodybuilding. Size is a factor! Stop people. Go Bucks! F Michigan
Chris is amazing we all know it, but I just can't help to favor Martin Fitzwater, I mean the guy literally has a Ferrari shaped formula 1 racing kind of body like Jay Cutler, I think when you are big butt have stream lines like Jay and Martin you just have to admit they look like high performance race cars.💪
22 contestants... CBum & Clarida good enough to beat everyone else except Martin. If Martin doesnt compete CBum wins an open contest and earns an O invite. With all of the "they cant let CBum win because..." they let him beat 21 others.
Chris stood his own, but at the end of the day, Martin is the better bodybuilder here. Chris beats him in detail, tan, presentation, stage presence, hardness.. but his size really just doesn’t stack up next to a top 4 open guy.
Robbed, as a term, it’s used as clickbait. So chill out 😉 I personally think, Chris, was the better bodybuilder. They both looked amazing and I can see the argument for Martin.
@ I should have clarified that I meant it as a joke as in the comments would be filled with outrage. It was a swing and a miss as far as jokes go. I won’t take up a career in comedy.
No he didn’t get robbed he came up against a Superior Open Competitor and got beat. Samson is the only builder whom can beat Martin and if martin had the height he would defeat samson. Chris is a great classic builder let’s leave it at that.
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Congratulations on that weight loss and yes we would had wanted to see the belly thats no more
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I had Cbum, but I understand why they went with Martin....Still great show!!
Milos the glasses look good. Don't pay any attention to the haters.
he needs to wear them more, Professor Sarcev
70 years old been lifting for 50 plus years as you get older you will get more and more aches and pains, I am still active but definitely feeling the aches and pains some days.
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I'm 72 years old and lift twice/week and do cardio and shoulder therapy exercises twice/week. So, three off days. My problem is muscle recovery takes longer now than in my younger years.
Fans wanted Cbum to win because fans do not want Cbum to retire. Not even a single judge voted for Cbum to win.
There is a reason for that.... - Matt
Yeah because they didn’t want the guy who got 4th at the Olympia to lose to a classic guy on 3 weeks prep
@@setlaxsoccer77exactly,They can't do that,it will drastically put a question mark on open class...the way CBum was compared and competed he could've won it,but judges can't give him the win
@@setlaxsoccer77no. He did not have enough muscle for open
No it is not about that. Overall quality of the physique was way ahead of Martins in my eyes.
The issue is not martin's win. Its the scorecard making 0 sense. At predjuging martin was off, his tan was a mess and he couldn't control his stomach. At the end of predjuging he was a mess and I believe most of us thought Chris with his impeccable Tan, presentation and superior structure, condition and detail should've prevailed. Or at the very least be close in the scorecards. At finals sure martin tightened up and posed better and deservingly won the nightshow but the predjuging scores are fishy to say the least
Because a good tan and structure doesn't make you the more complete, round and full bodybuilder.
Chris is amazing but he lacks the muscle required to win open, he still looks amazing, ridiculous even but he is smaller in so many bodyparts he's not going to win.
@@rankcolour8780at this level tan and structure def accounts
@@rankcolour8780if you are talking completeness then Chris was the better bodybuilder on that day hands down. Someone having more size doesn't mean nothing, otherwise Markus ruhl would have won 8 Olympia's.
@@jaredmuller171
I see you don't understand what completeness means.
It's not related to size.
For example Breon is more complete than Chris but he is not grossly oversized.
What do you think completeness means?
@rankcolour8780 balance, condition, symmetry and muscularity.
You are comparing breon to Chris which is classic physique. This is a bodybuilding show, which yes, muscularity is one of the criteria, but Chris has Martin beat on balance, symmetry and condition. A long with his presentation and posing, he was more complete on the day. Is Martin a better bodybuilder than Chris? I'd say yes, but Chris beat him in that prejudging.
I do not know how people can't see that Cbum has a flatter physique which is suitable for Classic and not for Open!
Open needs that Pop, round muscle bellies like Phil Heath or Roelly Winklaar, Dexter Jackson ofcourse like Mr. J Himself
According to Matt he should be open Mr O.
his most muscular blew martin out of the water u insane?
@@startingtech3900no it didn’t. He is thin in the most muscular. His traps look bigger because he is able to shrug them. Look at them from the back and you’ll see. His arms are terrible and martin is just too thick for him.
Great job on the weight loss Matt! keep going!
Actually - PHENOMENAL JOB
It all depends on what the judging criteria is. Chris is my overall favorite bodybuilder today, I think he represents the perfect balance between mass and aesthetics. I also think this body type appeals to more people in general. However, this doesn't mean he should win an open show that has open judging criteria. The fact that he got 2nd is shocking and speaks volumes of how good he is.
"Mass" Not for open. Andrew is a FREAK! But he's too small. Ronnie turned pro after winning at the world championships. He was bigger than Chris and placed dead last most shows because he wasn't big enough. Keon do an open show, with all those beautiful lines he will be 4th or 5th because he's too small
Open judging criteria needs reevaluation. Open was once about more than just mass, it’s not like chris is all that small compared to most of these guys. How does he win every other metric, yet mass is the biggest reason he got second? Mass should not be THAT much of a factor imo.
@Xalashaska Exactly! Frank Zane for example was an open champion when it wasn't just mass alone that was rewarded
@@Hammerhead1986 That’s what i’m saying man, just because classic physique exists it’s like people only want to see freaks in Open, which granted that’s where they all are but still there has to be more nuance than just “oh he’s huge, he wins, it’s Open”
@Xalashaska 100% bro
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@@francescoardizzoni17 absolutely
I had Martin ever since chum announced him doing open and that’s because cbum’s muscles alone seem weak, quads,arms, and back don’t have that full, round, dense look even though he has size it just helps with his shape. But Martin’s size all around just looked way more complete and still with pretty shape.
Marty and Chris both looked great. Very different physiques. As for bodybuilding Marty won most shots head to head and the package is better.
Chris fans of course wanted him to win and a part of me did too, but I think this was the right call
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Could you imagine the Top 9 at the O next year if Cbum and Behroutz get there? It'd be like Samson, Hadi, Derek, Martin, Nick, AJ, Hunter, Cbum, Behroutz. The judges would have a hell of a time putting them in order. Another great podcast appreciate it.
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CBUM really is just one of a kind. Truly a hybrid that encompasses best of classic and open right out the gate let alone with another 15 lbs added to that frame. In a lot ways he is really the Arnold of our time with the combination of height, shape, lines , and stage presence. That said, given his health concerns, I would say as much as we all want to see him full blown we should respect where he is in life and appreciate what he has given us to view in awe 👏
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Im surprised no one pointed out that Chris's back made everyone look tiny on the Olympia stage, definitely one of his best assets in classic but in open his back just didn't measure up. Very interesting distinction between classic and open
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CBUM wasn't robbed, but the pre judging is suspect, Martin wasn't on and Chris was then the reversal the next day with Martin looking like we know he can, but to have it be 3-3 is weird to me
CBum was more conditioned, but Martin had more size
@@Devin_215Tv cbum also has way better muscle quality (grainy, separated) and he has way way better lines and shape. I think he looked way more impressive, but obviously the scoring criteria weighs size a lot
Buy the tickets watch the you will understand why
Andrea presti was 8th in prejudging scorecards despite being in the 3rd callout. The scorecards have been manipulated and there should be more transparency. A wrap up from Tyler Manion/ Steve would help with the 'politics' accusations
You weren’t there in person, so your opinion doesn’t matter
This interesting, great pod cast,chris was a real threat just in 3 weeks prep,if he put on another 15 lbs of quality muscle he would definitely be a real threat in open,especially as he's still very young but loads of knowledge and wisdom to win,winning is in his DNA
Chris should do an easy show right before the Olympia to qualify so he could spend most the year gaining. If he had a good 4 weeks between shows he could perfectly time a big recomp and come in blasting full at the Olympia and still shredded. I bet he would easily be 10 lbs heavier than Prague at 6 over classic. 16 lbs over classic at the Olympia and leaner than Prague like classic peeled he is top 3 for sure. And if he put on another 1 the following year he’d be 25-26 lbs over classic and by far the most shredded guy on stage with a tiny waste nuts to all the bubble guts it’s a wrap. If he commits to balls out for 2 years he wins Mr O next year
Another good podcast 💯
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Your glasses look good. I recommend frameless glasses they can look very good with right shape. Thats what I like to wear. You can have many glasses for variation.
Based off literally every analyst breakdown of pre judging…Chris was a clear winner of that round. To see the scorecard you can’t help but feel like that were never going to give Chris 1st…it was a show for fun..up and coming Martin got his ‘25 qualification…Chris walks away not needing one and “retiring” 🤷♂️
Well....I don't know who are all these analysts...but in direct comparisons with Martin...listen to Jay's, Matt's and mine analysis here....I think we do explain everything.
@ every outlet that did live updates, post prejudge wrap ups, even people in the crowd all said the same thing respectfully. Martins presentation, condition, posing and stage presence was off. If you go back to all outlets and all channels 99% with the exception of Greg douchette had Chris clearly leading night 1. I respect your opinion but it is heavily out weighed by even Fouad martins boss…
Thanks giys another good episode. With Chris Bumstead being a classic Olympia winner would this give him an automatic qualification for the open if he wanted to come out of no where down the road and decide to do it? I know this works with pro cards crossing divisions but not sure in this matter with winners.
No, hes qualified for life for classic division
Alot of pros had cbum winning prejudging.. If open is all about size how did clarida beat regan and sergio at legion??. How did matias at prague beat horse.. Matias was from classic like chris.. Judging is all over the place
Chris has a level of detail that no one else has and I think open guys just a little exposed next to him with their heavy reliance on high levels of insulin and GH.
Bingo!! Spot on comment exactly that
Would you say the same thing if Cbum shared the stage with Hadi? Remember Hadi is the most conditioned in any class of bodybuilding
It's not a conditioning show it's primarily a muscle show, Samson became Mr O and wasn't a top 5 conditioned guy on stage.
Agreed top open bodbuilders today are growing big and fast but sacrificing quality from all the chemistry
@@TurkeysGoGobble yeah and i disagreed with him as mr. o and honestly, we haven't had a totally convincing mr olympia since phil. cbum wins and wins big in his division which has really shaken up enthusiasm for open. i mean, brandon curry?? derek? it seems like they have no clue what they really are looking for anymore.
CBum deserves an invite. He won Mr O 6x … reasonable and nobody will be pissed. not like hes Kai Greene or anything. He earned it!
Chris won classic division at Mr Olympia weekend 6x, he never competed in the Mr. Olympia... Chris for sure deserves an invite if he wanted one - Matt
Cbum and Martin were comparable at prejudging because Martin was slightly off and Cbum was the complete package BUT at the final, Martin was impeccable and deserved the win
Slightly off 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 and somehow he still won in the scorecard prejudging 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@LuisLopez-vp2nw he was holding water, he tore parts of his hamstring and his posing was very awkward and he was visibly hurting; Compared to Cbums imense Aura and perfect presentation
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I 100% agree with Jay! the criteria is changing and IMO for the better, I'm 33 and been lifting since I was 11 and your average person including myself doesn't like how big and full the open bodybuilders are today. It's just not pleasing to the eye to look at. sorry if that hurts some feelers also just so unhealthy for the athletes up there and pushes young men more into the drugs. Chris is a breath of fresh air for the fans and looks the best on stage. Anyways just want to say I'm a huge fan of yours still. Rember going to a garage sale when I was little and my dad buying me a huge box full of flex and muscle and fitness magazines, I read them all from to back and you were in just about every one of them.
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My opinion is judges did not vote for cbum for 1st because he was done after this show. They instead voted for Martin who has many years of competition left. This win takes martin to olympia. If cbum won (which i think he really did) it would have been a waste of an olympia ticket.
My opinion is:
judges just judge the show!
Best man wins...regardless of everything you fans want to think!
@milossarcev7538 lol agreed
Special invite should be in the works..
it would be warranted
Martin's thickness is unmatched! Clear winner!!!
It's normal that fans thought cbum won because we are watching and judging based on classic physique standard. Ultimately, it's still an open bb show, and we knew Martin was the rightful winner.
No one had Martin winning prejudge. He started sweating horrid and was holding a film over him. Finals different story. But for them to have Martin winning prejudging is absolutely nuts
Even open boudybuilders thought cbum had prejudging lol
Cutler time baby 😎
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what if Milos prepped CBum for Mr Olympia 2025 ?
booooom
The Fitzwater fan train took off a little to early for me. Hunter labrada started with a 4th place Olympia to, but that got corrected the following year. Lets see where the story ends. Certainly not better then Bumstead, Its apples and oranges. A standard up and coming open bodybuilder and an much more esthetic classic guy who only got out muscled slightly.
Hunter only got 4th because the lineup was weak that year. Once all this new talent has joined in the last couple years he is getting placed much lower.
💯 agree with Matt. 15 more pounds on Chris would be game over! Great show guys!
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So Chris wasn't big and dense enough to beat Martin, but was good enough to finish second. Chris brought the most aesthetic physique to open since Frank Zane and 93 Flex Wheeler.
IMHO Cbum didn't have the mass to win. It's open. His shape and definition is great... but he just doesn't have the mass to win open. You could really tell in the back. Just an opinion.
Why was he second then? The top 4-6 dudes have much more mass than him, but why was he 2nd?
What mass u talk about ,Martin was bloated
Yeah, iain said they had been planning to do Prague for a while
Cbum looked absolutely amazing! He has a spellbinding presence about him. People are just drawn to him
I have to.
Agree I think chris looks way better here than he ever did on any classic stage
2022 CBum would beat Regan grimes and Ian and people thought I was crazy when I said that 2 years ago
Regan is similar height, equal shape, better lines, but bigger... Cbum would have a hard time with Regan, especially when they turn around... - Matt
I think Cbum could be mr o in like three years. He is s champion. Martin is killing it now. It was a cool show
Man I love the Milo’s cast
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This was judged as an open bodybuilding show, not classic. Martin was thicker and denser and had enough conditioning.
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Martin was bigger and had bigger shoulders, arms, and legs except wasn't shredded and traps were tiny vs CBum. Martin also has too much GH gut going for him. He was on the verge of open class. CBum has the perfection classic body.
CBum’s physique follows the origins of bodybuilding. The days of Arnold.
I feel as if bodybuilding has a hard time getting the balance between conditioning/shape vs size/density. Dorian Yates was one of those guys who brought the best of both worlds in my opinion.
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Not robbed, fans and viewers confusing what looks good to their eyes (CBums wonderful physique) with what wins an open show (Martin’s exceptional physique)
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Chris can’t get Samsons muscle belly or his back. He’s nice to look at and the Goat of his Division. How does Regan always end up in these conversations, the dude isn’t making any noise.
Samson is big, that's it.
If you go back to the weigh-in, Chris was under the limit-dressed. He was probably 245-246 at just under 6' 2
With all due respect to Stefan and Martin, Martin does not have a Jay Cutler side tricep, Jay's abs and tricep were so much more developed
so true I think if Cbum puts on more size like 15lbs or so he will be Mr. Olympia
classic body building is what bodybuilding was , open is what it is today,,,,, I prefer classic , to each his own
Mike Tyson took a dive for the bag 💰. He was pulling punches and biting his gloves to keep himself from killing him. They practically payed him not to kill Jake Paul.
Samson is tall as well and was 300 pounds. He has a great structure as well. Chris needs more than 15 pounds to full out his frame.
Martin was 5th in that Legion Sports Fest in 2021…
I forgot about that.
Stefan (Boosofoutlaw) reminded me yesterday...
damn
In Mike Tyson's prime JP doesn't last 20 seconds.. even if he ran around the ring.
Thats about right time....20 seconds
Fans judge with their hearts. Not heads. Steve was the head judge correct? Well I'm sure he got it right. Its OPEN Bodybuilding. Size is a factor! Stop people.
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Thanos from south korea more men’s open look than brandon 😂
Brandon would beat him in a bodybuilding contest....
Even though Thanos is super good also...
Chris doesn't need much more to win Mr. O. One year of preparation and he'd be a handful for Samson.
Chris is amazing we all know it, but I just can't help to favor Martin Fitzwater, I mean the guy literally has a Ferrari shaped formula 1 racing kind of body like Jay Cutler, I think when you are big butt have stream lines like Jay and Martin you just have to admit they look like high performance race cars.💪
22 contestants... CBum & Clarida good enough to beat everyone else except Martin. If Martin doesnt compete CBum wins an open contest and earns an O invite. With all of the "they cant let CBum win because..." they let him beat 21 others.
Chris stood his own, but at the end of the day, Martin is the better bodybuilder here.
Chris beats him in detail, tan, presentation, stage presence, hardness.. but his size really just doesn’t stack up next to a top 4 open guy.
I think Chris won the contest
Others do too
The small screen of the 3 commentors is blocking out CBum.
Whoops
Milos looking like Roellys old coach
Grandma?
Robbed, as a term, it’s used as clickbait. So chill out 😉
I personally think, Chris, was the better bodybuilder. They both looked amazing and I can see the argument for Martin.
We are completely chilled - Matt
@ I should have clarified that I meant it as a joke as in the comments would be filled with outrage. It was a swing and a miss as far as jokes go. I won’t take up a career in comedy.
Bald brick with the puffed up synthol biceps won???
Aren’t you bald? Lmao
No he didn’t get robbed he came up against a Superior Open Competitor and got beat. Samson is the only builder whom can beat Martin and if martin had the height he would defeat samson. Chris is a great classic builder let’s leave it at that.
Bodybuilding had a chance to redirect itself. Bumstead in my opinion only lost one pose. Clear winner bodybuilding as it should be.
If Matt is leaving for 2 months will there be no more podcasts to after that?
We will do some virtual as Matt travels around the world
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Cbums back 😅
How the hell could Cbum win with no thickness in the back poses?
Cbum needs more Tren ...Matt
Jay your hairline is incredible. Did you ever take Finasteride in your career to stop any hair loss ?
great showing all around - Matt