I was really hoping to find a trail 125 but there are no where to be found. A lady close to me bought a brand new 2020 super cub, tried to ride it for about 5 miles and decided it wasn't for her. Sold it to me for 3500 bucks :O Very happy with my little cub. I also own a 2016 CTX 700 DCT. Thanks for the videos, I quite enjoy them.
Looks like it will be a year or two before the trail will be readily available. Most dealerships only got one or two this year and had deposits for 6 to 8. I like the aesthetic of the trail but that couple extra mph top speed of the super cub makes it feel safer on highway.
To Quasimotard: Just stopping by to say thank you for all the help and guidance from your channel. I currently own a yellow Honda passport C70 from 1972. Today I purchased a 2023 Honda 125 trail, I plan to travel around the 5 state area around Virginia where I live to go mountain biking, and also cycling with this new Honda, and camping. I really wanted to get a Honda Super Cub, but this bike would be much more fitting for my needs. Special thanks to you for opening up a whole new world for me, providing me with so many ideas for a fun and hopefully successful retirement. My current C 70 will be retired to my “bike cave” for display.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is great for back road cruising and light off-road work. The top speed is limited, so reaching distant locations can be taxing sometimes, but it's a fantastic little machine overall. You might be interested in my long road trip on the CT125 to visit the Barber Small Bore event in 2022: th-cam.com/video/xItNMZ--qSc/w-d-xo.html . That was a 1600+ mile trip with nothing but moto-camping and outdoor living for a week. Good times! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The effort you have gone to comparing these two is amazing......in the rain too! Love your videos, they have just the right pace to them. I spent many an hour sat watching them. Thank you
Thanks for watching and giving feedback! I try to label the videos for the content so people don't waste their time unnecessarily. No silly intros or sponsored ads... just straight to the content! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
They both are great little bikes. The obvious big difference is the trail would be better on the trail. But the Super Cub is also ok on dirt/gravel roads as long as they aren't too deep... I'm looking to get the 2022 Super Cub 125 in dark gray and red seats. It's just beautiful and I may even do some traveling! At 62 years of age, and now living in Spain the outskirts here are just perfect for a little adventure... Great information here, thx for sharing!
I really like the Trail 125 Hunter. I have seen people riding these in Thailand, New Mexico and Australia. It handles the various trails well. If it gets stuck... lift it out. They all seem to be having a blast! Thanks for the comparison video, in the rain too. Big thumbs up on both bikes.
Great video, thanks for the comparison. Have been eyeing these bikes for a long time (had a c70 in another life and miss that little guy). Thought I was gonna buy the SC, but it looks like the CT is plenty capable as an around town (no hwy) bike for errands. I’m no trail rider, but I’d love to take some easy unsaved roads by the coast, I think your vids are what have convinced me to take on the CT. Can’t wait to see your post upgrades videos for it.
Thanks for the feedback! I will have more CT125 content coming soon. I have a bunch of upgrades to install on the bike, and I'll be taking it on road trips and moto-camping adventures this spring. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Check out the "big bore" kit. I believe it brings it to 142 cc's & adds some hp & torque. A TH-camr in Thailand added one & he said it was about $100, for the piston, cylinder & injector.
The big boar kits are relatively inexpensive. The critical part is porting and polishing to match the kit to stock components, to gain the proper tune from the equipment about to be installed. It is almost never a just instal proposition. For the money the Yoshimura exhaust claims a 5% gain in horsepower and torque. I think an oil cooler with a micro pump is a good upgrade.
As someone that prefers the heel shifter on these semi autos from Honda I will definitely be doing that with the shifter. My Trail 125 has arrived and I think I will make that mod immediately as I prefer to heel shift with these and toe shift down when doing the downshifts..
Agreed! The heel shifter allows for smoother shifts because it's easier to slowly raise or lower your heel than it is to lift/release with your toes. That change made a world of difference for me. Congrats on your new CT125! 👏😉👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! I will be taking the CT125 out adventure camping very soon. I will probably change the tires to the IRC GP-1's for more off-road traction before I get into any really muddy or soft environments... the original tires won't be good in mud. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Love the channel and been watching for some time now. Love to see what you guys drink and eat whilst on the road trips? take care , Merry Christmas from London
Thanks for the feedback, and greetings from Texas! I always forget to record video and take pictures when I'm at camp. I'll try to remember to video more of the campsite and fellowship on the next outing. I do have another road trip and motocamping series from late October that needs to be edited... we had some decent views around camp on that trip. I'll try to chew those up and get them out of the editing queue soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Really enjoyed this... At late 50's and retired in Florida I am thinking about a small adventure bike, been watching your videos. No no iron butt here but still up for weekend type adventures and even trailering to destinations if out of my personal range. Maybe we can cross paths somewhere some day, Doug in Bradenton Fl.
Way back in the 80s I had a little Honda Express 50cc. ran it all over the woods until got too ruff with it. It was just made to run around town , but would run all all over mountain trails , but started jumping it and destroyed it. Anyway now have a heavy Kawasaki KLR and it's too heavy to really enjoy. Thinking seriously about a trail 125cc.
I learned to ride on a 1982 trail 110. All off-road and I wish I knew how many miles I logged. Now I have a trail 70, zuma 50, zuma 125, Burgman 650 along with some big bikes. I’ll admit I have more fun on the smaller scooters and ride them 6-7 days per week. My name is mike and I’m addicted to 🏍
Agreed... another small-bore enthusiast! I had the CT90 and CT110 decades ago. The speedometers were broken on both of them when I got them, so I have no idea how many miles we put on those things... easily in the 10K's of trail and backroad miles. I have many bikes of all sizes and styles, from 50cc to 1000cc's, scooters to supersports... I ride 'em all. I always find myself gravitating back toward the smaller bikes for all of my rides except the dedicated, long-distance, high-speed trips on the highways. If I need to get somewhere fast, then I'll jump on a bigger bike. Otherwise, I'll intentionally plan the trip on backroads so I can ride one of the small bikes... it's just more fun. Cheers! 👍 --QM
My name is Bobby I’m an addict also. I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll have a lot more CT125 videos coming soon. I also have several more Super Cub and Ryker road trip videos to get out of the editing blender... hopefully coming this weekend. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@travelinman482 That's a good idea! I'm not sure if I can put myself into the true "beginner" riders mindset because I've been riding for so many years. However, I can certainly give tips and advice from a veteran rider's perspective and help to ease some of the anxiety for new riders. Adrian (my riding buddy with the other Super Cub), was a new rider (zero road experience) when he took his first scooter trip with me to the Ozarks in Arkansas ( th-cam.com/video/_hKgxFxoFCc/w-d-xo.html ). He rode my 2016 Honda PCX150 on an 1800-mile trip for his first outing. I coached him along and he did famously... no problems or incidents at all. Maybe I can pick his brain and see if he wants to do a collab video on the new rider's perspective! 👍 --QM
really nice reviews, love what you do on your Cub -. After 53 bikes in as many years, sold Harley last week, no more big stuff -- thinking of a CT125 for a 25 mile (one way) commute through very twisty mountain roads with 40-55 mph speeds, one really good, long incline... and many fire-roads around here, in central Alabama area. I would also do a lot of back roads at 55/60, hence thinking sprocket swap like you did on Cub. At 62 I need windscreen as well . What do think? Good for this type riding? Just love the look and versatility of CT over Cub, had both many, many, many years ago, most fun I ever had on motorcycles.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is a fun little bike, but it is very limited in its highway capabilities. I have taken a few road trips with it already (haven't had time to edit or upload those videos yet), and it seems that the CT125 is about 10 MPH down compared to the Super Cub. I'm able to maintain 45-50 MPH most of the time without too much effort, but headwinds or hills will drop the speeds down to 40-45 MPH. Under ideal circumstances (no headwinds or hills), I can get 55-60 MPH out of it, but it really struggles due to the lower gearing. If you swap to a 15T or 16T front sprocket, then it might be able to maintain 55-ish MPH. Remember that the CT125's engine doesn't have as much power as the Super Cub (slightly less HP but a little more torque in the midrange)... 8 HP can only do so much work. I will probably install a 143cc big-bore kit on my CT125 sometime later this year to give the engine a bit more punch. That should put it in the 10-12 HP range with about +30% more torque, so that will be just enough to let it cruise at 55-60 MPH in relative comfort in conjunction with a 15T or 16T front sprocket. I have installed a bunch of upgrades on my CT125 already, but I haven't edited or uploaded those videos yet. I installed the Zeta Adventure windscreen on my bike a few months ago... it's smaller than I had hoped, but does help reduce chest pressure above 45 MPH. The nice thing about the Zeta's mounting bar is that it's very flat in the center area, so I can probably make a custom screen from plexiglass or polycarbonate to provide a little bit more coverage (similar to the National Cycle Deflector that I have on my Yamaha XT250). Cheers! 👍 --QM
The CT seat looks quite like older bike seats which used to be fatter and maybe more supporting Why did they let the chain open to the elements and dirt like that on the Trai tho?
I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
Howdy, Bob, and thanks for the feedback! I've owned all of those same bikes throughout my riding career! I owned the CT90 and CT110 back in the mid-80s, and I really miss the dual-range transmission that the CT110 had for trail riding. One of my first enduro bikes was a converted (not street-legal) 1975 Kawasaki MC1-90... I used and abused that bike for years. It was bored-out, ported, modified, duct-taped, J-B Weld'ed, and eventually burned to the ground from a leaky fuel line onto the head! 🤣 After that, at only 14 years old, I purchased a brand-new 1984 Honda XL125S with my own money, and that was my first road-legal bike (motorcycle license at 14 years old in Oklahoma). I still have a 1978 Honda CB125S in the garage that's waiting for restoration and reassembly... I hope to get that back on the road this year. Cheers! 👍 --QM
QuasiMotard looks like you moved to Texas from the plate on the Cub. That’s too bad I’m still in Tulsa Oklahoma and if you ever want to bring that new CT 125 down to Tulsa we could do a side-by-side comparison.. my CT 90 was a real junker but I’ve completely took it apart and rebuilt everything and it runs like a top. I also bored it out to 104cc put a performance cam in it and then de-restricted some of the intake/snorkel. It probably runs as strong as a CT 110 and it looks very nice too.
Hooray. Was going to come back after Christmas. Early surprise. Good going. I think the little Honda trail would be great in my areas I go to with all the rough streets.
Thanks for the feedback, and congrats on your upcoming purchase! These bikes are great... you don't need a ton of horsepower or speed to have fun. I frequently catch myself having an ear-to-ear grin when I'm riding these machines. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@Primez5 Meh... I guess it's so-so. The Super Cub has a traditional column lock, and the immobilizer/alarm does work, but that's really ineffective for these small bikes because they are so small and light. It only takes 2 guys to quickly toss this bike into a van or pickup truck and be gone in less than 10 seconds. I'm fortunate to live in an area where bike theft isn't a huge issue, so it's not a primary concern for me. 👍 --QM
I like the trail bike but if it's less power than the cub , I think I'd prefer the cub just for messing around on , but the trail is not on sale here in the U K , great video by the way , thank you .
I would have liked a kickstarter pedal on the Super Cub... dunno why they went for it on the CT and decided it wasnt worth it on the Cub. Same for the brake disc in the back.
Glad to help, Dave! If you're interested in playing with sprocket ratios, then you might want to check out GearingCommander.com . The Honda Super Cub and CT125 don't have entries in the database yet, but you can start off with the Honda Wave/Innova 125 as a baseline and then modify the default settings as below: (Updated on 6/4/2021): - Go to www.gearingcommander.com/ - Click on "Select bike brand" and select "306 - Honda", - Click on "Select model" and choose "Dash", - Click on "Select version/year" and choose "125 '18-19" - Chane the Primary Drive Ratio to "3.363" - Change the Max RPM to "9200" - Change the Final Drive Ratio to "14/36" for the "Stock" column You can find a screenshot of these settings in my Google Drive folder for reference: drive.google.com/file/d/1VU4bJvL2RipYq0Zioj2gwkTEZUC2F9bB/view?usp=sharing Cheers! 👍 --QM
Damn, another two-wheel channel I have to subscribe to for its great content. On the plus side, they definitely make the COVID debacle slightly easier to endure.
Thanks for the feedback, Don! I'm in the middle of my busy work season right now, but I hope to be riding again soon. I have several more ride series on the Super Cub and the Ryker that are in the editing queue now, so I will try to finish editing and post those soon. Cheers, and stay well! 👍 --QM
Excellent video! Did not hear you mention top speed. 125 for the Trail, 54 for the Trail. Another big factor is the Trail has a raised exhaust. This limits right rear panders for touring.
Thanks for the feedback! My Super Cub can reach 71-72 MPH under ideal conditions, but its normal highway cruising speed is around 60-63 MPH. The Trail 125 (CT125) has reached 56-58 MPH a few times on GPS, but it struggles to maintain anything above 53 MPH under most circumstances. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Right?! Even the mind of madness has its rhythm and reason. I had completely forgotten about that tent test. I have the video footage, but I never edited or posted it. Maybe I need to dust it off and throw that out there as a "gear review" video. 😉👍 --QM
I seem to remember seeing ads with hunters using the huge rack on the back of their Trail bikes to haul deer or some other critter outta the woods after hunting. Very long time ago, though, and certainly not PC these days!
Yep, I remember that same ad... it was in the motorcycle magazines back in the '70s or '80s. But, nobody eats meat anymore, right?! Meat comes from stores, not from animals... right?! ( www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/h38lg/theres_plenty_of_room_for_all_gods_creatures/ ) 🤣👍 --QM
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! The Super Cub and CT125 share a lot of parts and heritage, but they feel very different on the road. The Super Cub is road-focused, and the CT125 is better for slow roads, gravel, and light off-road use. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
If you want aftermarket upgrades like brake calipers, master cylinder, discs and suspension you should check the brand racing boy! We use it in Greece in most of our Cubs! Pretty nice quality and very cheap as they are made in Thailand. Also a plus is that they specialize in Cubs and not bigger bikes. They also sponsor motogp the last few years
Thanks for the feedback! I have a lot more CT125 and Super Cub content coming soon. I have a couple of meet-up rides and moto-camping trips with the CT125, and the massive Scooter Cannonball Run trip on the Super Cub that will be edited and posted soon... so stay tuned! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Great videos... I'm on the waiting list for a Hunter Cub, but still several months away from the delivery date. So I'm just trying to gather all the info till I can swing a leg over my own bike.
Congrats, and good luck with the wait... I know the anxiety of waiting for that phone call. 😉 Let me know if you have any specific questions or want to see particular things about the bike and I'll be happy to oblige. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Yes, you are correct! I mentioned the high-swept exhaust, but I think I forgot to mention the intake snorkel that's mated into the top-left of the rear cargo rack. 😉👍 --QM
Makes me laugh when people miss gear indicators we never had them back in the day and when I had them nowdays I never look at them half the time you can't see them anyway . nice content on your videos only ever had one bike with a toe and heel shifter and to be honest I never used the heel bit just used it as a normal gear shifter.
Thx for the feedback! I don't miss the gear indicator all that much, but I do miss being able to actually read the display. 😉 It's angled wrong for my height, and all I see is sky/sun glare. I haven't ridden the CT125 at night yet to know how well the gauge face is illuminated... time will tell! Cheers! 👍 --QM
The CT is a trail bike, so it's better to have an open chain. An enclosed chain case can get clogged with mud and gravel, particularly if you cross through streams and deep mud. 😉👍 --QM
A common story of 4mini owners. It tends to appeal to everyone the appeal of motorcycles. My friend talks about motorcycles for two hours. Another 2 hours with alcohol. But the story is fun and I hear the same story many times.
Really want to see you install the windscreen you referenced in the first (picking it up from the dealer) video. I'm 6'4" and I'm not loving how my long legs contend with the shift lever - I may go with a toe only approach and get me a Monkey version. #199 owner near Minneapolis.
Congrats! I'm #138, but possibly the first CT125 titled in Texas... not sure yet. I shopped around for different screens and that Zeta Adventure Windshield ( japan.webike.net/products/24269043.html ) really stood out. I like the integrated NAV bar and the option to flip the screen upside-down. It might not have enough coverage, but we'll see. I have a National Cycle Deflector on my XT250, and that thing is fantastic... cheap, too! As for your shifter problem... have you tried rotating the lever 1-2 splines counter-clockwise yet? That might help you use it better as a toe-shift, too. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard The heel toe lever adjustment video you produced was an invaluable resource - especially when viewed beginning to end. I watched to the part where I saw that a 10mm wrench was only thing needed to get the lever off and rotated to optimal within the set notch angles. I was off to the races! The foot peg/side stand bracket obstructs but on the center stand all you need to do is loosen the side stand foot peg assemble enough to drop the left side a bit and the lever can be wrangled/wriggled off easily. Off it came, was nudged forward and reconnected - this is where my fatal (for the 10mm set bolt) moment arrived. I forced it though not using the recessed channel on the spindle end (as you explained in your video when I decided to watch it though). Like an idiot, I forced the bolt though and over-tightend busting off the head. If only I watch your video all the way though. When I break that shift lever off, I think I’m going to enjoy toe only shifting. Monkey shift lever, I come ever closer...
@@NitwitMN Thanks and condolences all in one! That sucks that you broke the bolt head. The indentation in the shaft is to prevent the shifter from walking outward and falling off if the bolt isn't tightened enough. If you're stuck in limbo (not tight enough, yet can't get the bolt out), then you could use a bolt extractor to remove the bolt... they are cheap to replace at any Honda shop. In the CT125's case, I didn't have any real problems using the toe-only portion to shift normally... I really didn't miss the heel portion. I might just throw a standard shift lever on there and be done with it. Off-road riding will make activating the heel portion more difficult while standing, so a standard lever might be a better option. Cheers! 👍 --QM
That's a tough one! Both bikes gather lots of onlookers and comments. The Super Cub definitely gathered more attention at first (back in 2019), but now I think people are becoming more accustomed to seeing them on the road again. The CT125 still gets lots of comments and compliments. People continually ask where I found the disc brake conversion for my CT110! I just say, "NOPE... it's a new CT125!" 🤣👍 --QM
I use the Quad Lock system on all of my motorcycles and scooters. The complete solution is a bit spendy, but it's very secure and the convenience can't be beat... no charging cables to attach, and it works in the rain! Here are the links to the various pieces if you're interested: - Quad Lock Motorcycle Vibration Dampener: amzn.to/3huKyLt - Quad Lock 1" Ball Adapter Mount: amzn.to/3hqLvEl - Quad Lock Weatherproof Wireless Charging Head: amzn.to/3uLT79q - RAM 1" double socket arm: amzn.to/2SZOgmD - RAM B-272U 9mm Angled Bolt Head Adapter: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TRIY4 (placed under mirror perches) - RAM B-376U motorcycle handlebar clamp base: amzn.to/3BAKswi (handlebar clamp or any M8 bolt) I use the RAM ball and the Quad Lock 1" ball adapter for a more flexible mounting system. I can swap cameras, GPS, phone, or other accessories onto the RAM balls whenever necessary. You can see the full phone kit (and lots of other accessories) on my CT125 in these videos: - Trail 125 // Owner's Review & Upgrades: th-cam.com/video/VlGZHvnBHQ0/w-d-xo.html - Trail 125 // Barber Small Bore - Day 1: th-cam.com/video/xItNMZ--qSc/w-d-xo.html A similar setup can be seen on my Super Cub in this video: Super Cubs in the Ozarks - Day 1: th-cam.com/video/Pe-y2vKVSi0/w-d-xo.html Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Just an idea but would the two bikes look aesthetically better if they had their seats swapped. .....that is, IF they are interchangeable. Maybe its worth trying if only to see if Super Cub feels more comfortable with the black seat as this is your long distance cruising machine. Ive never felt that the red seat looks good on a blue frame.
Yes, I have considered that! I didn't like the red seat on the SC when I first got the bike, but it has grown on me. I was planning to remove both seats for this video to have a closer look in this side-by-side comparison, but it was raining and I just couldn't bring myself to tear into the brand-new CT125 quite yet. I will pull both seats off this weekend to check the seat pan dimensions. If they are compatible with the same mounting locations, bumpers, and seat latch assembly, then I'll swap and take a short video to let people know what that looks like. Cheers! 👍 --QM
The issue that I had with the shifter in its factory position was being unable to fully depress the heel for a gear change. My ankle doesn't bend far enough (acute angle) to make it happen. Adjusting the lever one spline fixed the problem for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. 👍 --QM
As a 50 year old motorcycle noob with cataracts who no longer drives cars (specifically due to the visual impairment), I am interested in the Trail125 for scouting wilderness spots for camping purposes and I believe I could still navigate the cycle safely enough to own one responsibly. Can you please advise me what I would expect to need to legally operate this Honda in Georgia besides a motorcycle license, registration tag, insurance and a helmet? Would that be pretty much it? Would I need a motorcycle training class for beginners for such a small bike, in the same way I would if I were to begin driving a much larger cycle? I would likely limit my actual road use as much as possible but would still want to be driving legally to minimize any legal hassles. I understand these particular Honda cycles are hard to come by in the present, but I’m looking to plan ahead, even if a couple/few years out, still. I’m 6’ tall & about 175’ish lbs and sometimes, I just get tired of being stuck at home and would love the freedom to venture out on my own again. It seems like this bike would facilitate that desire rather nicely. Thank you so much for any input or advice you can offer. Happy trails! 😊
First and foremost, I wholeheartedly recommend taking the MSF Basic Rider course. The MSF course is mandated by most (all?) states as a prerequisite to get your motorcycle endorsement. You can get more detailed info from the Georgia DMV here: dds.georgia.gov/georgia-licenseid/motorcycle-license . The MSF course will teach you the basics of motorcycling, navigating traffic, and other critical skills that you'll need on the road. You can take additional MSF classes after that to practice more advanced riding skills (e.g., emergency stops, obstacle avoidance, cornering techniques, etc). Even if you don't "need" those skills to ride off-road on the CT125, they can save your bacon while you travel on public roads to get to/from the trails. All MSF training facilities will have small-displacement motorcycles for you to learn with, or you can bring your own bike if you prefer. Learning to ride the CT125 will be much simpler than a standard motorcycle because of the centrifugal (semi-auto) clutch. You still need to shift gears, but there is no hand clutch to worry about... you click the shift lever up or down and release it smoothly. The centrifugal clutch also prevents engine stalls, so that isn't an issue to contend with on hills or sudden starts... just roll the throttle and go. Your height and weight shouldn't be any problem for the CT125. Ergonomics are very good, and there is a lot of knee and leg room. The bars are a bit low, but that's typical for these bikes; a set of aftermarket handlebars or bar risers can fix that if it causes you any issues. As for the CT125's availability... it's still a very scarce bike that has long waiting lists of buyers waiting in the dealers' queues. If you are considering buying a Trail 125, then you might consider putting down a deposit at your nearest Honda dealer. There are rumors floating around about improvements for the 2022-23 CT125... maybe a 150cc engine or other power upgrades? I haven't heard anything concrete yet, but the motorcycle shows this fall should shed some light on the rumors (e.g., EICMA or the Tokyo Motor Show). Lastly, you might also be interested in my latest CT125 "owner's review" video that I posted this morning: th-cam.com/video/VlGZHvnBHQ0/w-d-xo.html . I made some observations about the CT125's highway and long-distance capabilities that might not pertain to your riding needs, but the remainder of the review might help you decide whether the CT125 will work for you or not. Good luck, and I hope that you find a good fit to get you into riding soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Regarding the front brake, SuperCub has a single-piston caliper, the Ct125 a two-piston caliper, please advise is as a rider you can detect a difference in feel or power between the two types. I suspect the CT125 two-piston may have a "gradual" feel which would give the rider better control when making light brake applications in trail riding conditions on soft and slippery surfaces, my old Honda XL185 drum brake model was noted for its rider friendly braking by all who rode it off-road. Please advise.
Yes, the CT125 has a dual-piston caliper as noted at 2:20 in the video. The CT125 does have stronger brakes and they are easier to modulate both on pavement and off-road. Both of the front brake levers still feel "squishy", but stopping power is decent in both applications. Cheers! 👍 --QM
You don't have to shoot on a rainy day. You will soon need a Monkey 125 and a vertical engine as well. I'm riding an old Ihatov 125. Greetings from Japan.
Yeah, the Monkey's are a superior machine when compared to the CT 125 and the Super Cub. The Monkey has a manual clutch that can be feathered for precision maneuvers. The other two have only centrifugal clutches which don't allow for feathering. Also the Monkey has a gear pattern of 1 down 3 up while the Cub and CT 125 have patterns of 4 up. Again, the Monkey trumps, pun intended, the other two. The Monkey is also superior at tree climbing. Monkeys are also easy to locate, most any barrel will be full of them.
The problem is, how do you GET to the trail. Top cruise speed that the vehicle feels comfortable with is 45mph, which is insufficient to safely keep up with the flow of traffic on many roads. With a Suzuki DR650S, you can comfortably cruise at 70mph, meaning you can safely travel any road.
LOL! Agreed, but you're comparing completely different machines with different philosophies and displacements... a small trail bike vs a 600-class dual-sport/enduro. That's akin to comparing the CT125 to an Africa Twin 1100! 🤣 Don't get me wrong... I think the DR is a great bike (I've owned a DR650 and also two KLR650's). However, the DR sits 5" higher (and wider), weighs 100+ pounds more, has 4x the engine displacement, consumes over 3x the fuel vs the CT125... and it's a complete PIG in narrow single-track trails. I bought the CT125 to fill the niche for a small, efficient trail bike that I can take on my off-road moto-camping trips. I already have a Yamaha XT250 and a Honda CB500X for longer-distance trips, and I don't want another 400+ pound 600cc enduro bike. Different strokes for different folks! --QM
Yep, I thought about that, too. I bled the brakes on my Super Cub, but it didn't help. So, it must be a combination of a small master-cylinder bore size and squishy rubber lines. I'm still planning to find a company to fabricate some stainless-braided lines to see if that makes any difference. Maybe a combination of the lines, the upgraded 2-pot caliper and some EBC HH pads will give the front brake more bite. It stops just fine, but the spongy lasagna noodle lever still bothers me sometimes. Cheers! 👍 --QM
How do vibrations compare between both bikes at higher speeds? The CT125 vibrates a lot for me. I’m considering the CUB if it is a smoother ride at higher speeds. Thanks for the comparison video!
The Super Cub is definitely the better machine for faster roads and it's suited for primarily on-road work. The CT125 is better suited for slower roads and light off-road use due to its lower gearing. They both vibrate quite a bit, but the Super Cub's motor doesn't feel as frantic at the same speeds as the CT125. I also installed Grip Puppies foam over-grips on my Super Cub to reduce vibration in the grips. That helped a lot for my 10K mile Scooter Cannonball Run trip. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I learned to ride on a bike with a heal/toe shifter. I tried for quite a while to get used to pressing down with my heal to "upshift" and never got comfortable with it. Because of that, I have always pulled up on the toe side to upshift. Actually, I've only owned maybe three bikes in 50 years that had a heal shifter. One of those was a Harley and the first thing I did to it when I got it home was to remove the heal shifter. It just got in the way. My question on your Honda's is, can the bikes be shifted with just the toe side without too much trouble? If they can, I'd probably just cut off the heal shifter and not worry about it.
The Super Cub and CT125 shift shafts are standard Honda fare, so I'm sure that other shift levers will fit. The length and offset/bend might be the only tricky part to match. I will probably replace the lever on the CT125 with a normal toe shift because I think the heel shift will get in the way for stand-up riding. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotardI’m getting a preowned 2019 Super Cub soon, and I’m pretty sure I’ll want to put just a toe shifter on it. Have you heard of anyone doing it, and IF so … did it work okay for them? On HD’s I’ve owned and 1 Moto Guzzi I couldn’t get used to the heel toe shifters. I’ve had had 3 preowned early 70’s CT90’s and never completely got used to them either. I’ll never understand why Honda eliminated the Hi/Lo range on the new trails? Do you still have the capability of climbing extreme angles? Nice couple of bikes you have there 👍
@@Dachshund-Nator Thanks for the feedback! I wish that Honda had included the high/low output on the new CT125... it was a great feature on the old CT110. The new CT125 has more power than the older bikes, but it can still get bogged down in deep sand/gravel or when climbing extreme inclines. I've had a few occasions where I needed to waddle the bike along with my feet at full throttle to get it moving. The shift shaft on both bikes is a standard size, so it should be possible to swap a different shift lever if necessary. It might be tricky fniding a replacement lever that's long enough and has enough bend to match the clearance of the OEM unit. Instead, I would suggest rotating the OEM shifter upward (clockwise) on the splines to move the heel portion out of your way if you don't want to use it. The toe portion would be raised up and the heel lowered, so it should be out of your way. Some owners have cut off the heel portion of the shifter, but I wouldn't recommend that because the lever is very expensive to replace ($150+) if you want to revert to stock. The tricky thing to learn about these semi-auto bikes is that the clutch engagement is tied to the shift lever itself. The timing and operation is different than traditional motorcycles where quick stabs of the shifter are best for shifting. The Cub requires a SLOW release of the lever because that's what is re-engaging the clutch plates. It's difficult to shift them smoothly without learning some finesse to operate the shift lever SLOWLY to re-engage the clutch after each shift. Using the heel shifter allows more precise control because you're raising and lowering your heel with your calf muscles instead of lifting and releasing with your toes. I had a bit of trouble with the heel shifter until I raised the heel portion by rotating it 1-2 splines (counter-clockwise). That modification made a world of difference for me to release the shifter smoothly. Here is that video if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/hi24CwhOGLU/w-d-xo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you for the quick reply. I’ll definitely check out the video, I know for SURE I won’t be cutting the original lever off. In general I’m always resistant to making changes that involve saws , torches, or welding.😂 👍
My take away from this video, both great bikes! Love the Cub, but I bet the Trial is great fun. It's also nice to hear your views on small engine bikes. Well done.
Thanks again for the feedback, Paul! I'm eager to get the CT125 out on some proper adventures. I will probably swap the tires for something that has more bite... IRC GP-1's or similar. I will be getting it out into the backwoods in the Sam Houston and Sabine National Forests soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I will probably be picking up my Trail 125 this week hopefully. They wouldn't let me pick it up because of a recall on the shifter. I think some had a bad weld from the factory. I badly injured both my ankles from a fall in 2004. They don't bend to well anymore and one of them is fused with plate and screws. So I figure I'm definitely going to need to rotate mine just so I can shift it easier. I watched your video of the position change. Pretty easy! Thanks for the videos. EE
Congrats on your new CT125! I received the recall notice in the mail for the shifter replacement, but I haven't taken it in to have that recall performed yet. I'll schedule an appointment for it so they have the part in stock and ready to go. Adjusting the shifter angle is easy to do, but you'll need to loosen the footpeg bracket bolts to give enough clearance to slide the shifter off of the shaft. Just one spline counterclockwise did the trick for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks, I moved my shifter yesterday and installed a Gold Plug. Both were easy. I got insurance, tags, and title today. Hopefully soon I can take it for a spin. I think I will like the shifter better in this position. Your shifter may be fine. I think some of them had a bad weld that was breaking possibly. EE
Thank you for these comparisons and introducing me to the Super Cub! I want to have a bike to ride in a city due to fuel mileage and ease of parking, have you had any issues with these in cities other than having to take backroads to avoid high speed freeways? Also, I know they're hot commodities and have been since you uploaded this video, I wanted to know how did you acquire both of yours, because many secondhand dealers are charging well above Honda MSRP and I might just have to wait them out. Again, thank you, and I can't wait to add to my Honda collection, this company is nothing but bulletproof. My father had an old 2003 Rancher ATV on our ranch and never once changed the oil, somehow still runs like a dream haha.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! I placed early deposits on these bikes long before they were generally available. The Super Cub's deposit was 9+ months early, and the CT125 was about 4 months before release. The CT125 has been rare due to Honda's limited distribution since 2021. The Super Cub is easier to find on the used market, and I would recommend looking for a private seller instead of a motorcycle dealership (stealership)... you'll save a bunch of money. Both of these Cubs are excellent commuters due to their excellent fuel efficiency and better-than-average handling due to their large 17" wheels. The CT125 offers more cargo capacity and slightly better suspension than the Super Cub. The CT125's suspension is damped better than the SC, and the somewhat larger tires help to absorb potholes in the city better than the SC's narrow tires. The SC needs a rear rack to be a good commuter... wearing backpacks is tedious and annoying. I installed the Honda rear rack and didn't like it at all. I upgraded to the Kijima rear rack and side supports (video here: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html ) for a much more capable storage system. I haven't experienced ANY mechanical problems with either of these machines. My Super Cub has over 15K brutal highway miles on it now, and 10K miles of that was wide-open throttle for the Scooter Cannonball Run (playlist here: th-cam.com/play/PLLXxDh3JumLnSK37lF4AcrF28frAIfLfA.html ). The CT125 has about 3K miles of equally brutal highway miles on it without any problems. Both machines consume a small amount of oil during extended high-RPM running, which should be expected with any air-cooled engine. Otherwise, they are bulletproof and should outlive me! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Awesome video!! what one should I buy? Just bought the super cub for my girlfriend debating on if I want the cub or trail. Honest opinion! Thank you (: ☮️
Ideally, you should ride the CT125 first to see if you prefer it over the Super Cub. The CT is fun, but it's not as quick or nimble as the SC. If you want to do any light off-roading (e.g., gravel or grass lanes), then the CT is the better choice. If you don't plan to go off-road, then the SC is the better option, in my opinion. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I reviewed the KIjima rack and side supports in a separate video: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html . The direct links to those items are here: - Kijima Rear Carrier: japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html - Kijima Bag Supports: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html Cheers! 👍 --QM
I might be doing exactly that sometime soon! I'll probably Frankenstein my SC into a hybrid mini-monster with spoke wheels, dual disc brakes, and a 181cc big-bore kit before the 2023 Scooter Cannonball Run. I already have both bikes, so it's just a matter of swapping pieces and fabricating a few small items for the SC (e.g., axle spacer collars, rear swingarm brake caliper holder, rear brake lever & master cylinder bracket, etc). 😉👍 --QM
Accessories for the CT125 are finally becoming more common, but most of them come from the Asian markets. I have ordered a bunch of parts from WeBike Japan ( japan.webike.net ). Many of the items were on extended back-order for 3-4 months, but I finally received my shipment last week. I am installing and recording the process to share with other CT125 owners. I'll be editing and posting those videos very soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard ok, im planning to buy one but im worried the avaiability of parts if in case break down of some parts need for replacement or parts that is compatable to ct125 like other motorcycles
I would swap the grips with pro taper pillow grips. Do you consider to put a kick start on the super Cub? I was really disappointed that they didn’t put in on the super Cub , also spoked wheels will look great. Damn I wish the CT will make it to the EU.
I'm planning to replace the CT's grips with the ProGrip 714's ( amzn.to/3p6sicb )... they feel better to me and they don't get slippery in the mud or rain. I don't know if it's possible to change the side cover on the Super Cub to install the kick-starter... I'm sure it will also involve installing the sprag gear assembly and the different clutch basket, too. I'm still rooting for you guys on the other side of the pond. Hopefully, Honda can resolve the emissions stuff and bring the CT125 to you for 2022! Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! You can find the videos for my Super Cub here: - Asahi Short Visor windscreen: th-cam.com/video/O-06y9YDLec/w-d-xo.html - Kijima rear carrier: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html The product links are in the video descriptions. Both pieces were ordered from Webike Japan, so shipping can be expensive if you're only buying one thing at a time. The upside is that their shipping is always very fast... usually only 3-5 business days all the way from Japan! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
one other thing, I cannot seem to find your same side bag carriers on Webike. Can you tell me where you got yours? They look better than the Takagawa on Webike. thanks again!
Those are the Kijima "bag supports" listed in the video description about the rear carrier. Here is the direct link: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html . They work with the factory rack, but match better with the Kijima rack's length. 😉👍 --QM
I would guess that these world bike are targeted to similar people but the super cub may be for a little smaller and lighter frame riders and the trail is for slightly larger & taller drivers. This is purely a guess. But a 5-6 average rider to a 5-10 average rider would create a difference in specs
Is there any aftermarket option to change the gearing on the Trial to be more like the Super Cub? I don't think I lik that top speed decrease. Seems like Honda should offer that for people who don't want to take the Trail off road.
Yes, the sprockets are easy to change. A simple upgrade would be to increase the front sprocket +1 tooth to a 15T. That would help to calm the motor at higher speeds, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the CT125 will be able to pull higher top speeds overall. The CT125's engine has been tuned differently to give more mid-range torque instead of top-end power. The only physical changes (to my knowledge) are different intake tract length and maybe exhaust tuning that creates that difference. So, the CT125 is slightly down on horsepower vs the Super Cub (only by about 0.5 HP). That slight difference in power curves combined with the worse aerodynamics means that the CT125 will struggle more at high speeds vs the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
I used to say back in the 80's that Honda should make a larger version of the Trail 90/110. I still think they should make a bigger version around 200 cc's to better keep up with today's traffic, also needs a 6 speed!
Absolutely! I've been saying that for years. Honda could introduce a 185-200cc version of these bikes and they would be much better suited for the USA's riding conditions. Those few extra HP would give better highway compatibility and stronger off-road climbing power, yet still not sacrifice too much in terms of fuel economy or engine reliability. Keep it air-cooled and lightweight. The Super Cub could benefit from a slightly longer wheelbase (maybe a touch more rake) and a larger fuel tank... maybe 2.5 gallons. That would give it serious long-range touring capabilities. Well, I can dream... unfortunately, it'll probably never happen. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard How about three versions of it? A 125cc ( C/CT), 156.9cc (PCX), and a 200cc (for exp riders)? Also, I’ve never heard anyone call a brake caliper...one or two pot. Most people say one piston or two piston brake calipers.
@@travelinman482 Honda sticks to the worldwide standards for license classifications, so that's why the 125cc limitation. Many EU countries have provisions to allow motorists to ride 125cc and smaller bikes without needing to take the motorcycle endorsement testing. I think that the "CT185" or "CT200" would be a fantastic trail bike if it ever came to life. The term "pot" is old racing parlance (I'm no spring chicken 😉). The term probably originated in automotive racing where the caliper pistons looked like small cooking pots when turned upside down. I was surprised to see that the CT125 has a dual-piston front caliper while the Super Cub only has a single piston. 👍 --QM
Props you bought both models, very good details. I have 9 bikes 750s,, Italiian Twins, Harley, Super Ten, and my small bike is the TW200, Both of these bikes interest me. The one thing you mentioned is although I usually customize something on each of my bikes I can't see why brand new low powered bikes would need steel braided line upgrade?
Ths for the feedback! It sounds like you're a 2-wheel addict like me... I have 20 bikes in the stable right now! The front brake lever is VERY squishy on both the C125 and CT125, so I'd just like to firm-up the lever if I can. It's not a show-stopper, and the brakes still work well enough, but it bugs me because my other bikes don't have such soft levers. I demonstrated it in the beginning of this ride th-cam.com/video/_uSh6S6tDfM/w-d-xo.html . I don't know if it's small piston diameters in the hydraulic system or if it's squishy lines... I'll tackle the problem one piece at a time. 😉👍 --QM
You might want to really check on those parts you think are Identical I have a older Honda 90 Motorcycle and in the years past Honda did mix up a lot of the parts internally and Externally on those bikes in the 1960s on mine the Kickstarter shaft stripped out and on the hunt for the replacement I found 3 other sizes that were slightly different and would not work on my Bike I did however get the right part from a guy inTexas that a Parts Salesman at my localHonda dealership knew Was into the Antique Honda’s and their parts it so happened that the Dealership Owner did have a fairly large Antique and Vintage Motorcycle collection the guy inTexas told me that Was fairly common onHondas of that era because of how the Factory did Assembly then FYI my Motorcycle is a S90 not a Cub or Trail but does have the 90 engine / manualTransmission
@QuasiMotard Between this two: - Which one is more fun to ride? - Which one you like more? - If you only have to keep one, which one would you keep? Thank you sir!
That's a common question, and it's a tough one to answer. It really depends on your riding preferences... on-road vs off-road. If you plan to ride mostly on the pavement, then the Super Cub is the clear winner because of its higher gearing and slightly better aerodynamics. However, if you have any off-road intentions, then the CT125 is the only way to go. I will be changing the gearing and/or installing a big-bore kit on the CT125 to give it a bit more power, so it might become my overall favorite. I didn't get the CT125 as an "only" bike... I have lots of different machines to ride. The CT125 fills a niche for me to handle my off-road adventure camping adventures instead of my Yamaha XT250. Time will tell if it's a better choice. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! I thought about cutting the heel portion off of the Super Cub's shifter when I first got it, but then I saw how expensive the shifter is... over $150! After I readjusted it, then it has been much easier to use. In the CT125's case, I might replace the shifter with a standard unit because the heel portion might get in the way for trail riding. I had the CT90 and CT110 back in the mid-1980s, and both of those bikes had standard shift levers on them... probably changed by the original owners. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Please check the price of the shifter, if the Dealer states $150, ask Dealer to check with Honda HQ in case there is an error in the price list. I purchased a new USA style shift lever for my Supercub and it was £32, UK Supercub has a heel-pedal and toe-pedal shifter, US has a heel-pedal and a toe-stub shifter
@@cyclist3969 These Honda shift levers are prohibitively expensive here in the USA. The Super Cub's lever is $180.58 USD!!! ( drive.google.com/file/d/1wUzYaRrT-kNPzyQFfkU_iM4EITY3nBTn/view?usp=sharing ). The CT125's shift lever was even more expensive when I last checked, but our suppliers can't seem to source it right now ( drive.google.com/file/d/1H7c3wk9Tijwc6yhE2GXlm5PF5nYgDGvU/view?usp=sharing ). --QM
Thanks for the feedback! I was already wet from another project in the rain, and my bikes are ridden in all weather conditions. I'm usually working crazy hours, so I try to take advantage of any free time to share videos! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Thanks for the feedback! The Trail 125 comes with that massive rear rack from the factory. I added the Kijima rack and side supports from Website in Japan. You can see that video here (product links are in the video description): th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
very nice side by side thank you ! im thinkin IF this is like my 78 honda 50 was ( which it seems to be in every way plus some ) you can also start from a roll or push ? lol ... the good ole days but it worked.
Thanks for the feedback! Yes, the CT125 can be bump started or kick started even without a battery. The C125 can be bump started with a weak battery, but won't start or run without a battery or a completely dead one ( th-cam.com/video/VwCYfBrCxv8/w-d-xo.html ). There must be a minor difference in the C125's charging system or fuel injection that requires the battery to sustain it, whereas the CT125 seems to be self-sufficient from the alternator output. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks mate I just realized the blinkers press is to disengage either or signal. (I thought I was accidentally turning on the emergency lights every time lol turns out there are no emergency lights at least I don't think so)
Agreed! I would have liked to get the tan/drab color. I've never figured out why they only bring particular colors and on different years. If they already produce the bikes (plastics) in other colors, then just offer them in each market instead of isolating markets by color. It's odd. The 2019 Super Cub is a prime example... it sold like hotcakes, but the 2020/2021 in the red/beige color wasn't so popular. 👍 --QM
Howdy, sir, it's good to hear from you again! Do you have any new toys over on your side of the pond? How are you and the Super Cub getting along... still riding it? 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Excellent thank you, depite the chaos in the U.K re CV-19. 10/10 for filming your excellent comparison between the two machines and excellently presented as usual. Interested to know how you edited the footage from the 360. I have one too but never thought of using it the way you have - brilliant!!! No new bike toys here bar a BMW R1200R. Got an interest down for the new battery powered Cub and that will join the "bluey" in the garage. Still using it but not as much as I should be. Stay safe Aaron and keep them video's rolling!
It would seem that way, but I can't make any definite opinions about it yet. I think the SC will still be better for many chores because of its higher gearing, but I'm sure that I will adapt to the CT's lower gearing just fine. Cheers! 👍 --QM
The heel shifter works very well on these bikes when you can actuate them properly. The heel allows you to slowly lift off of the shift to smoothly engage the clutch. I wouldn't even think of cutting down one of these levers because they are EXPENSIVE! It's crazy how expensive they are... the Super Cub's shifter is over $170 and the CT125's is over $200! It would be easier (and cheaper) to buy a generic folding shift lever for a small dirt bike and then bend it to fit these bikes instead. I almost did that for the Super Cub until I decided to change the angle by rotating down (counter-clockwise) one spline. 👍 --QM
It still really disappoints me the Super Cub doesn't come standard with a rear rack that's actually usable. Instead, it comes with no rack, and an optional $100 tiny one that's pointless. I'd love to know if the rear rack on the HunterCub could be mounted on a SuperCub's rear.
Agreed! The SC really should have come with a rack as standard equipment. Even if the OEM rack proved to be too small for many people, at least it would have had some provision for carrying your junk on it. The Kijima rack and side supports that I installed are fantastic... the SC really should have come with them, or Honda should have contracted Kijima to make the OEM racks for them. 👍 --QM
I wonder what if any add ons or upgrades will be made on the 2022 model Honda CT125 because I sure would love to have one to commute back and forth to work at least 3 days a week out of 5 !!!
I know that Honda has made updates to both the Super Cub (C125) and the Trail 125 (CT125) for the 2022 model year so they meet EURO-5 compliance requirements. They have added a new, more efficient exhaust catalyst and slightly revised engines to give more power and lower emissions. I'm sure that the power differences will be minor because the displacement hasn't changed. I think that the Euro and Canadian models might include passenger seats and pegs, but that's not definite. The US-spec models probably won't see these changes until 2023, and the passenger accommodations will likely be omitted here. You can check out HondaPro Kevin's site ( @HondaPro Kevin , th-cam.com/users/HondaProKevin ) for more detailed reviews and inside scoops on lots of upcoming Honda models. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I will probably go to a 15T/39T or a 13T/36T combo to give just a bit more on-road capability. I don't want to sacrifice too much low-speed grunt for trail and backwoods riding. I'll be shuffling the numbers on GearingCommander.com to see what the best ratios will be. Since we didn't get the dual-range sub-transmission gears on the new CT125, I'm also considering keeping a 13T front sprocket in my road kit so I can "quickly" swap it when I get off of the main roads. That would only be when I intend to spend a while off-road... a day or more. The task isn't difficult, but it's a messy PITA... pull the front sprocket cover, pull the sprocket retaining bolts, loosen the rear axle, swap sprockets, set chain tension, torque rear axle, reassemble everything... probably about 10-15 minutes each time. 👍 --QM
I was really hoping to find a trail 125 but there are no where to be found. A lady close to me bought a brand new 2020 super cub, tried to ride it for about 5 miles and decided it wasn't for her. Sold it to me for 3500 bucks :O Very happy with my little cub. I also own a 2016 CTX 700 DCT. Thanks for the videos, I quite enjoy them.
Thanks for the feedback, and congrats on your new Cub! They are great little machines! 😉👍 --QM
Looks like it will be a year or two before the trail will be readily available. Most dealerships only got one or two this year and had deposits for 6 to 8. I like the aesthetic of the trail but that couple extra mph top speed of the super cub makes it feel safer on highway.
Lucky you.
To Quasimotard: Just stopping by to say thank you for all the help and guidance from your channel. I currently own a yellow Honda passport C70 from 1972. Today I purchased a 2023 Honda 125 trail, I plan to travel around the 5 state area around Virginia where I live to go mountain biking, and also cycling with this new Honda, and camping. I really wanted to get a Honda Super Cub, but this bike would be much more fitting for my needs. Special thanks to you for opening up a whole new world for me, providing me with so many ideas for a fun and hopefully successful retirement. My current C 70 will be retired to my “bike cave” for display.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is great for back road cruising and light off-road work. The top speed is limited, so reaching distant locations can be taxing sometimes, but it's a fantastic little machine overall. You might be interested in my long road trip on the CT125 to visit the Barber Small Bore event in 2022: th-cam.com/video/xItNMZ--qSc/w-d-xo.html . That was a 1600+ mile trip with nothing but moto-camping and outdoor living for a week. Good times! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
The effort you have gone to comparing these two is amazing......in the rain too!
Love your videos, they have just the right pace to them.
I spent many an hour sat watching them.
Thank you
Thanks for watching and giving feedback! I try to label the videos for the content so people don't waste their time unnecessarily. No silly intros or sponsored ads... just straight to the content! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
They both are great little bikes. The obvious big difference is the trail would be better on the trail. But the Super Cub is also ok on dirt/gravel roads as long as they aren't too deep...
I'm looking to get the 2022 Super Cub 125 in dark gray and red seats. It's just beautiful and I may even do some traveling! At 62 years of age, and now living in Spain the outskirts here are just perfect for a little adventure...
Great information here, thx for sharing!
I really like the Trail 125 Hunter. I have seen people riding these in Thailand, New Mexico and Australia. It handles the various trails well. If it gets stuck... lift it out. They all seem to be having a blast! Thanks for the comparison video, in the rain too. Big thumbs up on both bikes.
Seeing them side by side like that I'm surprised to say I like the look of the Super Cub more.
Thx for the feedback! The CT125's looks are polarizing... it's all about utility and function with no frills. 👍 --QM
The super Cub is really beauty and it's brother is quite handsome!
I love your vids! Thanks for the comparison, you always pay great attention to detail!!
Thanks for watching! I will have more CT125 content coming very soon! Cheers! 👍 --QM
I love the utilitarian look of the Trail 125...simple and practical. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! 😉👍 --QM
Great accurate description of this couple of fine motorcycle engineering, I love your video.
Thanks for the feedback! 😉👍 --QM
Thank you. Good stuff. Both kick ass at their intended use, in my opinion.
Love your videos . Always informative and just plain fun .
Thanks for the feedback! I will have more videos coming soon! 👍 --QM
Thank you for this information. I had to come back and watch the video again.
we have the super cub and the monkey , but here in the UK , we are not getting the CT125 , shame as many people would love one
I don't understand the distribution decisions of Honda.
Great video, thanks for the comparison. Have been eyeing these bikes for a long time (had a c70 in another life and miss that little guy). Thought I was gonna buy the SC, but it looks like the CT is plenty capable as an around town (no hwy) bike for errands. I’m no trail rider, but I’d love to take some easy unsaved roads by the coast, I think your vids are what have convinced me to take on the CT. Can’t wait to see your post upgrades videos for it.
Thanks for the feedback! I will have more CT125 content coming soon. I have a bunch of upgrades to install on the bike, and I'll be taking it on road trips and moto-camping adventures this spring. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I had the 70cc version back in 1981 or 1982.
Hi @QuasiMotard,
Thank you, for giving also measure in metric system ... it helps a lot ;)
Two beautiful and great motorbikes. But for my taste and usage I would definitely have the trail one.
Check out the "big bore" kit. I believe it brings it to 142 cc's & adds some hp & torque. A TH-camr in Thailand added one & he said it was about $100, for the piston, cylinder & injector.
I have seen this video and the gentleman failed to adjust the ring gap. This causes the cylinder to seize and destroys the engine.
I imagine it would cost 3x more here in USA
The big boar kits are relatively inexpensive. The critical part is porting and polishing to match the kit to stock components, to gain the proper tune from the equipment about to be installed. It is almost never a just instal proposition. For the money the Yoshimura exhaust claims a 5% gain in horsepower and torque. I think an oil cooler with a micro pump is a good upgrade.
As someone that prefers the heel shifter on these semi autos from Honda I will definitely be doing that with the shifter. My Trail 125 has arrived and I think I will make that mod immediately as I prefer to heel shift with these and toe shift down when doing the downshifts..
Agreed! The heel shifter allows for smoother shifts because it's easier to slowly raise or lower your heel than it is to lift/release with your toes. That change made a world of difference for me. Congrats on your new CT125! 👏😉👍 --QM
Can't wait to see your trail riding videos on the CT125.
Thanks for the feedback! I will be taking the CT125 out adventure camping very soon. I will probably change the tires to the IRC GP-1's for more off-road traction before I get into any really muddy or soft environments... the original tires won't be good in mud. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Love the channel and been watching for some time now. Love to see what you guys drink and eat whilst on the road trips? take care , Merry Christmas from London
Thanks for the feedback, and greetings from Texas! I always forget to record video and take pictures when I'm at camp. I'll try to remember to video more of the campsite and fellowship on the next outing. I do have another road trip and motocamping series from late October that needs to be edited... we had some decent views around camp on that trip. I'll try to chew those up and get them out of the editing queue soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Really enjoyed this... At late 50's and retired in Florida I am thinking about a small adventure bike, been watching your videos. No no iron butt here but still up for weekend type adventures and even trailering to destinations if out of my personal range. Maybe we can cross paths somewhere some day, Doug in Bradenton Fl.
Way back in the 80s I had a little Honda Express 50cc. ran it all over the woods until got too ruff with it. It was just made to run around town , but would run all all over mountain trails , but started jumping it and destroyed it. Anyway now have a heavy Kawasaki KLR and it's too heavy to really enjoy. Thinking seriously about a trail 125cc.
I learned to ride on a 1982 trail 110. All off-road and I wish I knew how many miles I logged. Now I have a trail 70, zuma 50, zuma 125, Burgman 650 along with some big bikes. I’ll admit I have more fun on the smaller scooters and ride them 6-7 days per week. My name is mike and I’m addicted to 🏍
Agreed... another small-bore enthusiast! I had the CT90 and CT110 decades ago. The speedometers were broken on both of them when I got them, so I have no idea how many miles we put on those things... easily in the 10K's of trail and backroad miles. I have many bikes of all sizes and styles, from 50cc to 1000cc's, scooters to supersports... I ride 'em all. I always find myself gravitating back toward the smaller bikes for all of my rides except the dedicated, long-distance, high-speed trips on the highways. If I need to get somewhere fast, then I'll jump on a bigger bike. Otherwise, I'll intentionally plan the trip on backroads so I can ride one of the small bikes... it's just more fun. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Agree! Small bikes are so much more fun to ride around. They can even make mundane commute to work fun.
My name is Bobby I’m an addict also. I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
My name is Ted and I’m addicted to 🛵🏍 as well. Just need to win the lotto and I’ll be the Jay Leno of motorcycles in my town. Lol
@@travelinman482 I have a Honda Helix. And riding to work and around town just makes smile.
Love the content! Keep it coming man.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll have a lot more CT125 videos coming soon. I also have several more Super Cub and Ryker road trip videos to get out of the editing blender... hopefully coming this weekend. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard
You should do an "Intro to Scooters” video for new riders and give advice on how to overcome their fears of riding.
@@travelinman482 That's a good idea! I'm not sure if I can put myself into the true "beginner" riders mindset because I've been riding for so many years. However, I can certainly give tips and advice from a veteran rider's perspective and help to ease some of the anxiety for new riders. Adrian (my riding buddy with the other Super Cub), was a new rider (zero road experience) when he took his first scooter trip with me to the Ozarks in Arkansas ( th-cam.com/video/_hKgxFxoFCc/w-d-xo.html ). He rode my 2016 Honda PCX150 on an 1800-mile trip for his first outing. I coached him along and he did famously... no problems or incidents at all. Maybe I can pick his brain and see if he wants to do a collab video on the new rider's perspective! 👍 --QM
really nice reviews, love what you do on your Cub -. After 53 bikes in as many years, sold Harley last week, no more big stuff -- thinking of a CT125 for a 25 mile (one way) commute through very twisty mountain roads with 40-55 mph speeds, one really good, long incline... and many fire-roads around here, in central Alabama area. I would also do a lot of back roads at 55/60, hence thinking sprocket swap like you did on Cub. At 62 I need windscreen as well . What do think? Good for this type riding? Just love the look and versatility of CT over Cub, had both many, many, many years ago, most fun I ever had on motorcycles.
Thanks for the feedback! The CT125 is a fun little bike, but it is very limited in its highway capabilities. I have taken a few road trips with it already (haven't had time to edit or upload those videos yet), and it seems that the CT125 is about 10 MPH down compared to the Super Cub. I'm able to maintain 45-50 MPH most of the time without too much effort, but headwinds or hills will drop the speeds down to 40-45 MPH. Under ideal circumstances (no headwinds or hills), I can get 55-60 MPH out of it, but it really struggles due to the lower gearing. If you swap to a 15T or 16T front sprocket, then it might be able to maintain 55-ish MPH.
Remember that the CT125's engine doesn't have as much power as the Super Cub (slightly less HP but a little more torque in the midrange)... 8 HP can only do so much work. I will probably install a 143cc big-bore kit on my CT125 sometime later this year to give the engine a bit more punch. That should put it in the 10-12 HP range with about +30% more torque, so that will be just enough to let it cruise at 55-60 MPH in relative comfort in conjunction with a 15T or 16T front sprocket.
I have installed a bunch of upgrades on my CT125 already, but I haven't edited or uploaded those videos yet. I installed the Zeta Adventure windscreen on my bike a few months ago... it's smaller than I had hoped, but does help reduce chest pressure above 45 MPH. The nice thing about the Zeta's mounting bar is that it's very flat in the center area, so I can probably make a custom screen from plexiglass or polycarbonate to provide a little bit more coverage (similar to the National Cycle Deflector that I have on my Yamaha XT250). Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks for the great info!
The CT seat looks quite like older bike seats which used to be fatter and maybe more supporting
Why did they let the chain open to the elements and dirt like that on the Trai tho?
I have a 1991 KE 100, 1981 cb125, 1971 ct90, and a 1978 Honda Express Nc50express that I souped up with a 70cc kit and exhaust restriction delete, does 42 mph on flat ground and it feels like 142mph. I love the review and I can’t wait until someone compares the new CT 125 to the old CT 90 or110. My CT 90 will go straight up in low gears.
Howdy, Bob, and thanks for the feedback! I've owned all of those same bikes throughout my riding career! I owned the CT90 and CT110 back in the mid-80s, and I really miss the dual-range transmission that the CT110 had for trail riding. One of my first enduro bikes was a converted (not street-legal) 1975 Kawasaki MC1-90... I used and abused that bike for years. It was bored-out, ported, modified, duct-taped, J-B Weld'ed, and eventually burned to the ground from a leaky fuel line onto the head! 🤣 After that, at only 14 years old, I purchased a brand-new 1984 Honda XL125S with my own money, and that was my first road-legal bike (motorcycle license at 14 years old in Oklahoma). I still have a 1978 Honda CB125S in the garage that's waiting for restoration and reassembly... I hope to get that back on the road this year. Cheers! 👍 --QM
QuasiMotard looks like you moved to Texas from the plate on the Cub. That’s too bad I’m still in Tulsa Oklahoma and if you ever want to bring that new CT 125 down to Tulsa we could do a side-by-side comparison.. my CT 90 was a real junker but I’ve completely took it apart and rebuilt everything and it runs like a top. I also bored it out to 104cc put a performance cam in it and then de-restricted some of the intake/snorkel. It probably runs as strong as a CT 110 and it looks very nice too.
Hooray. Was going to come back after Christmas. Early surprise. Good going. I think the little Honda trail would be great in my areas I go to with all the rough streets.
Thanks for doing this. Found it very useful . I am buying the c125 in Jan👍
Thanks for the feedback, and congrats on your upcoming purchase! These bikes are great... you don't need a ton of horsepower or speed to have fun. I frequently catch myself having an ear-to-ear grin when I'm riding these machines. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks QM.. is the alarm any good on them? Had a bike stolen recently so curious if it's actually any use?
@@Primez5 Meh... I guess it's so-so. The Super Cub has a traditional column lock, and the immobilizer/alarm does work, but that's really ineffective for these small bikes because they are so small and light. It only takes 2 guys to quickly toss this bike into a van or pickup truck and be gone in less than 10 seconds. I'm fortunate to live in an area where bike theft isn't a huge issue, so it's not a primary concern for me. 👍 --QM
I like the trail bike but if it's less power than the cub , I think I'd prefer the cub just for messing around on , but the trail is not on sale here in the U K , great video by the way , thank you .
I would have liked a kickstarter pedal on the Super Cub... dunno why they went for it on the CT and decided it wasnt worth it on the Cub.
Same for the brake disc in the back.
The 125 trail looks like a great little machine, unfortunately it’s not yet available in Australia yet,
thanks for the gearing guide - already looking at comparisons and i havent got one yet :D
Glad to help, Dave! If you're interested in playing with sprocket ratios, then you might want to check out GearingCommander.com . The Honda Super Cub and CT125 don't have entries in the database yet, but you can start off with the Honda Wave/Innova 125 as a baseline and then modify the default settings as below:
(Updated on 6/4/2021):
- Go to www.gearingcommander.com/
- Click on "Select bike brand" and select "306 - Honda",
- Click on "Select model" and choose "Dash",
- Click on "Select version/year" and choose "125 '18-19"
- Chane the Primary Drive Ratio to "3.363"
- Change the Max RPM to "9200"
- Change the Final Drive Ratio to "14/36" for the "Stock" column
You can find a screenshot of these settings in my Google Drive folder for reference: drive.google.com/file/d/1VU4bJvL2RipYq0Zioj2gwkTEZUC2F9bB/view?usp=sharing
Cheers! 👍 --QM
Great comparison. Let us know how the Trail125 toe shifter adjustment goes. Definitely looked tight clearance wise like you said.
Damn, another two-wheel channel I have to subscribe to for its great content. On the plus side, they definitely make the COVID debacle slightly easier to endure.
Thanks for the feedback, Don! I'm in the middle of my busy work season right now, but I hope to be riding again soon. I have several more ride series on the Super Cub and the Ryker that are in the editing queue now, so I will try to finish editing and post those soon. Cheers, and stay well! 👍 --QM
Excellent video! Did not hear you mention top speed. 125 for the Trail, 54 for the Trail. Another big factor is the Trail has a raised exhaust. This limits right rear panders for touring.
Thanks for the feedback! My Super Cub can reach 71-72 MPH under ideal conditions, but its normal highway cruising speed is around 60-63 MPH. The Trail 125 (CT125) has reached 56-58 MPH a few times on GPS, but it struggles to maintain anything above 53 MPH under most circumstances. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
"Why am I doing this in the rain" best answer ever, "why not, I'm already doing a tent test right over there". 👍
Right?! Even the mind of madness has its rhythm and reason. I had completely forgotten about that tent test. I have the video footage, but I never edited or posted it. Maybe I need to dust it off and throw that out there as a "gear review" video. 😉👍 --QM
I seem to remember seeing ads with hunters using the huge rack on the back of their Trail bikes to haul deer or some other critter outta the woods after hunting. Very long time ago, though, and certainly not PC these days!
Yep, I remember that same ad... it was in the motorcycle magazines back in the '70s or '80s. But, nobody eats meat anymore, right?! Meat comes from stores, not from animals... right?! ( www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/h38lg/theres_plenty_of_room_for_all_gods_creatures/ ) 🤣👍 --QM
Very nice video, perfect for small engine bikes lovers❤
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! The Super Cub and CT125 share a lot of parts and heritage, but they feel very different on the road. The Super Cub is road-focused, and the CT125 is better for slow roads, gravel, and light off-road use. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Very good side by side comparison. Good job!
If you want aftermarket upgrades like brake calipers, master cylinder, discs and suspension you should check the brand racing boy! We use it in Greece in most of our Cubs! Pretty nice quality and very cheap as they are made in Thailand. Also a plus is that they specialize in Cubs and not bigger bikes. They also sponsor motogp the last few years
Thanks for the info! I will check their products to see if I can find some good ideas for my Super Cub and CT125. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Very thorough video !
Nice job man 👍🏼
Thanks for the feedback! 👍 --QM
Great video's and love the detail you put into making them
Thanks for the feedback! I have a lot more CT125 and Super Cub content coming soon. I have a couple of meet-up rides and moto-camping trips with the CT125, and the massive Scooter Cannonball Run trip on the Super Cub that will be edited and posted soon... so stay tuned! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Great videos... I'm on the waiting list for a Hunter Cub, but still several months away from the delivery date. So I'm just trying to gather all the info till I can swing a leg over my own bike.
Congrats, and good luck with the wait... I know the anxiety of waiting for that phone call. 😉 Let me know if you have any specific questions or want to see particular things about the bike and I'll be happy to oblige. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks so much. That's what's so great about motorcycle people.
My daughter and fiancee just bought two CT125s. They weigh a little more than I expected. My 1972 XL 250 wasn't much heavier. Thanks for the review.
Those look like a lot of fun and really handy
It was.a tuff week, but now, Friday evening, I see your video, I can come relax wtith a cigare. Tank the cub, thank my Texan friend !
Thanks again, Yves! You rock! 👍👍 --QM
I think that the trail might have a snorkel as well built-in so it’s harder to get air sucked into your engine
Yes, you are correct! I mentioned the high-swept exhaust, but I think I forgot to mention the intake snorkel that's mated into the top-left of the rear cargo rack. 😉👍 --QM
Makes me laugh when people miss gear indicators we never had them back in the day and when I had them nowdays I never look at them half the time you can't see them anyway . nice content on your videos only ever had one bike with a toe and heel shifter and to be honest I never used the heel bit just used it as a normal gear shifter.
Thx for the feedback! I don't miss the gear indicator all that much, but I do miss being able to actually read the display. 😉 It's angled wrong for my height, and all I see is sky/sun glare. I haven't ridden the CT125 at night yet to know how well the gauge face is illuminated... time will tell! Cheers! 👍 --QM
I wonder why Honda did not enclose the chain on the trail ? Looks like a good feature to have if you are rising on dirt roads.....
The CT is a trail bike, so it's better to have an open chain. An enclosed chain case can get clogged with mud and gravel, particularly if you cross through streams and deep mud. 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard early HONDA ATC had enclosed chain covers... and they were strictly off road vehicles.....
A common story of 4mini owners. It tends to appeal to everyone the appeal of motorcycles. My friend talks about motorcycles for two hours. Another 2 hours with alcohol. But the story is fun and I hear the same story many times.
Nice bikes, unfortunately I can't buy one as they aren't available in Canada...yet.
Really want to see you install the windscreen you referenced in the first (picking it up from the dealer) video.
I'm 6'4" and I'm not loving how my long legs contend with the shift lever - I may go with a toe only approach and get me a Monkey version.
#199 owner near Minneapolis.
Congrats! I'm #138, but possibly the first CT125 titled in Texas... not sure yet. I shopped around for different screens and that Zeta Adventure Windshield ( japan.webike.net/products/24269043.html ) really stood out. I like the integrated NAV bar and the option to flip the screen upside-down. It might not have enough coverage, but we'll see. I have a National Cycle Deflector on my XT250, and that thing is fantastic... cheap, too! As for your shifter problem... have you tried rotating the lever 1-2 splines counter-clockwise yet? That might help you use it better as a toe-shift, too. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard The heel toe lever adjustment video you produced was an invaluable resource - especially when viewed beginning to end. I watched to the part where I saw that a 10mm wrench was only thing needed to get the lever off and rotated to optimal within the set notch angles.
I was off to the races! The foot peg/side stand bracket obstructs but on the center stand all you need to do is loosen the side stand foot peg assemble enough to drop the left side a bit and the lever can be wrangled/wriggled off easily. Off it came, was nudged forward and reconnected - this is where my fatal (for the 10mm set bolt) moment arrived. I forced it though not using the recessed channel on the spindle end (as you explained in your video when I decided to watch it though).
Like an idiot, I forced the bolt though and over-tightend busting off the head. If only I watch your video all the way though. When I break that shift lever off, I think I’m going to enjoy toe only shifting. Monkey shift lever, I come ever closer...
@@NitwitMN Thanks and condolences all in one! That sucks that you broke the bolt head. The indentation in the shaft is to prevent the shifter from walking outward and falling off if the bolt isn't tightened enough. If you're stuck in limbo (not tight enough, yet can't get the bolt out), then you could use a bolt extractor to remove the bolt... they are cheap to replace at any Honda shop. In the CT125's case, I didn't have any real problems using the toe-only portion to shift normally... I really didn't miss the heel portion. I might just throw a standard shift lever on there and be done with it. Off-road riding will make activating the heel portion more difficult while standing, so a standard lever might be a better option. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I'm curious about the coolness factor. Which bike seems to get you more attention, looks, nods, smiles, comments and questions?
That's a tough one! Both bikes gather lots of onlookers and comments. The Super Cub definitely gathered more attention at first (back in 2019), but now I think people are becoming more accustomed to seeing them on the road again.
The CT125 still gets lots of comments and compliments. People continually ask where I found the disc brake conversion for my CT110! I just say, "NOPE... it's a new CT125!" 🤣👍 --QM
Great stuff! Where can I find a phone mount?
I use the Quad Lock system on all of my motorcycles and scooters. The complete solution is a bit spendy, but it's very secure and the convenience can't be beat... no charging cables to attach, and it works in the rain! Here are the links to the various pieces if you're interested:
- Quad Lock Motorcycle Vibration Dampener: amzn.to/3huKyLt
- Quad Lock 1" Ball Adapter Mount: amzn.to/3hqLvEl
- Quad Lock Weatherproof Wireless Charging Head: amzn.to/3uLT79q
- RAM 1" double socket arm: amzn.to/2SZOgmD
- RAM B-272U 9mm Angled Bolt Head Adapter: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TRIY4 (placed under mirror perches)
- RAM B-376U motorcycle handlebar clamp base: amzn.to/3BAKswi (handlebar clamp or any M8 bolt)
I use the RAM ball and the Quad Lock 1" ball adapter for a more flexible mounting system. I can swap cameras, GPS, phone, or other accessories onto the RAM balls whenever necessary.
You can see the full phone kit (and lots of other accessories) on my CT125 in these videos:
- Trail 125 // Owner's Review & Upgrades: th-cam.com/video/VlGZHvnBHQ0/w-d-xo.html
- Trail 125 // Barber Small Bore - Day 1: th-cam.com/video/xItNMZ--qSc/w-d-xo.html
A similar setup can be seen on my Super Cub in this video:
Super Cubs in the Ozarks - Day 1: th-cam.com/video/Pe-y2vKVSi0/w-d-xo.html
Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Just an idea but would the two bikes look aesthetically better if they had their seats swapped. .....that is, IF they are interchangeable. Maybe its worth trying if only to see if Super Cub feels more comfortable with the black seat as this is your long distance cruising machine. Ive never felt that the red seat looks good on a blue frame.
Yes, I have considered that! I didn't like the red seat on the SC when I first got the bike, but it has grown on me. I was planning to remove both seats for this video to have a closer look in this side-by-side comparison, but it was raining and I just couldn't bring myself to tear into the brand-new CT125 quite yet.
I will pull both seats off this weekend to check the seat pan dimensions. If they are compatible with the same mounting locations, bumpers, and seat latch assembly, then I'll swap and take a short video to let people know what that looks like. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard did you ever figure out if the seats are interchangeable? Great videos
@@QuasiMotard Have you found out if you can swap the seats on these two Cubs? Thanks!
20:10 in my opinion is not a problem. You can just put your foot a little farther to the left. Just saying😁 overall great review👌💪
The issue that I had with the shifter in its factory position was being unable to fully depress the heel for a gear change. My ankle doesn't bend far enough (acute angle) to make it happen. Adjusting the lever one spline fixed the problem for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. 👍 --QM
As a 50 year old motorcycle noob with cataracts who no longer drives cars (specifically due to the visual impairment), I am interested in the Trail125 for scouting wilderness spots for camping purposes and I believe I could still navigate the cycle safely enough to own one responsibly.
Can you please advise me what I would expect to need to legally operate this Honda in Georgia besides a motorcycle license, registration tag, insurance and a helmet?
Would that be pretty much it?
Would I need a motorcycle training class for beginners for such a small bike, in the same way I would if I were to begin driving a much larger cycle?
I would likely limit my actual road use as much as possible but would still want to be driving legally to minimize any legal hassles.
I understand these particular Honda cycles are hard to come by in the present, but I’m looking to plan ahead, even if a couple/few years out, still.
I’m 6’ tall & about 175’ish lbs and sometimes, I just get tired of being stuck at home and would love the freedom to venture out on my own again.
It seems like this bike would facilitate that desire rather nicely.
Thank you so much for any input or advice you can offer.
Happy trails! 😊
First and foremost, I wholeheartedly recommend taking the MSF Basic Rider course. The MSF course is mandated by most (all?) states as a prerequisite to get your motorcycle endorsement. You can get more detailed info from the Georgia DMV here: dds.georgia.gov/georgia-licenseid/motorcycle-license .
The MSF course will teach you the basics of motorcycling, navigating traffic, and other critical skills that you'll need on the road. You can take additional MSF classes after that to practice more advanced riding skills (e.g., emergency stops, obstacle avoidance, cornering techniques, etc). Even if you don't "need" those skills to ride off-road on the CT125, they can save your bacon while you travel on public roads to get to/from the trails. All MSF training facilities will have small-displacement motorcycles for you to learn with, or you can bring your own bike if you prefer.
Learning to ride the CT125 will be much simpler than a standard motorcycle because of the centrifugal (semi-auto) clutch. You still need to shift gears, but there is no hand clutch to worry about... you click the shift lever up or down and release it smoothly. The centrifugal clutch also prevents engine stalls, so that isn't an issue to contend with on hills or sudden starts... just roll the throttle and go.
Your height and weight shouldn't be any problem for the CT125. Ergonomics are very good, and there is a lot of knee and leg room. The bars are a bit low, but that's typical for these bikes; a set of aftermarket handlebars or bar risers can fix that if it causes you any issues.
As for the CT125's availability... it's still a very scarce bike that has long waiting lists of buyers waiting in the dealers' queues. If you are considering buying a Trail 125, then you might consider putting down a deposit at your nearest Honda dealer. There are rumors floating around about improvements for the 2022-23 CT125... maybe a 150cc engine or other power upgrades? I haven't heard anything concrete yet, but the motorcycle shows this fall should shed some light on the rumors (e.g., EICMA or the Tokyo Motor Show).
Lastly, you might also be interested in my latest CT125 "owner's review" video that I posted this morning: th-cam.com/video/VlGZHvnBHQ0/w-d-xo.html . I made some observations about the CT125's highway and long-distance capabilities that might not pertain to your riding needs, but the remainder of the review might help you decide whether the CT125 will work for you or not.
Good luck, and I hope that you find a good fit to get you into riding soon! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Regarding the front brake, SuperCub has a single-piston caliper, the Ct125 a two-piston caliper, please advise is as a rider you can detect a difference in feel or power between the two types. I suspect the CT125 two-piston may have a "gradual" feel which would give the rider better control when making light brake applications in trail riding conditions on soft and slippery surfaces, my old Honda XL185 drum brake model was noted for its rider friendly braking by all who rode it off-road. Please advise.
Yes, the CT125 has a dual-piston caliper as noted at 2:20 in the video. The CT125 does have stronger brakes and they are easier to modulate both on pavement and off-road. Both of the front brake levers still feel "squishy", but stopping power is decent in both applications. Cheers! 👍 --QM
You don't have to shoot on a rainy day.
You will soon need a Monkey 125 and a vertical engine as well.
I'm riding an old Ihatov 125. Greetings from Japan.
What do you mean by vertical engine?
@@dry509 Hello. In Japan, the normal engine type is called the vertical engine to distinguish it from the Cub type horizontal engine.
Yeah, the Monkey's are a superior machine when compared to the CT 125 and the Super Cub. The Monkey has a manual clutch that can be feathered for precision maneuvers. The other two have only centrifugal clutches which don't allow for feathering. Also the Monkey has a gear pattern of 1 down 3 up while the Cub and CT 125 have patterns of 4 up. Again, the Monkey trumps, pun intended, the other two. The Monkey is also superior at tree climbing. Monkeys are also easy to locate, most any barrel will be full of them.
@@dbx1233 Thanks for the feedback.
@@dbx1233 What about the Honda Grom? How does it compare to the monkey?
The problem is, how do you GET to the trail. Top cruise speed that the vehicle feels comfortable with is 45mph, which is insufficient to safely keep up with the flow of traffic on many roads. With a Suzuki DR650S, you can comfortably cruise at 70mph, meaning you can safely travel any road.
LOL! Agreed, but you're comparing completely different machines with different philosophies and displacements... a small trail bike vs a 600-class dual-sport/enduro. That's akin to comparing the CT125 to an Africa Twin 1100! 🤣
Don't get me wrong... I think the DR is a great bike (I've owned a DR650 and also two KLR650's). However, the DR sits 5" higher (and wider), weighs 100+ pounds more, has 4x the engine displacement, consumes over 3x the fuel vs the CT125... and it's a complete PIG in narrow single-track trails.
I bought the CT125 to fill the niche for a small, efficient trail bike that I can take on my off-road moto-camping trips. I already have a Yamaha XT250 and a Honda CB500X for longer-distance trips, and I don't want another 400+ pound 600cc enduro bike. Different strokes for different folks! --QM
Defiantly would like the trail after seeing this video.
my honda crb300r had squishy brakes when new but after i did a brake fluid bleed at 2,000 miles it got much firmer feel
Yep, I thought about that, too. I bled the brakes on my Super Cub, but it didn't help. So, it must be a combination of a small master-cylinder bore size and squishy rubber lines. I'm still planning to find a company to fabricate some stainless-braided lines to see if that makes any difference. Maybe a combination of the lines, the upgraded 2-pot caliper and some EBC HH pads will give the front brake more bite. It stops just fine, but the spongy lasagna noodle lever still bothers me sometimes. Cheers! 👍 --QM
i want some more HP because all the rotes to go to the trails are 55mph plus. I wish I had a 65 mph top speed.
How do vibrations compare between both bikes at higher speeds? The CT125 vibrates a lot for me. I’m considering the CUB if it is a smoother ride at higher speeds. Thanks for the comparison video!
The Super Cub is definitely the better machine for faster roads and it's suited for primarily on-road work. The CT125 is better suited for slower roads and light off-road use due to its lower gearing.
They both vibrate quite a bit, but the Super Cub's motor doesn't feel as frantic at the same speeds as the CT125. I also installed Grip Puppies foam over-grips on my Super Cub to reduce vibration in the grips. That helped a lot for my 10K mile Scooter Cannonball Run trip. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Wonderful, thank you!
I learned to ride on a bike with a heal/toe shifter. I tried for quite a while to get used to pressing down with my heal to "upshift" and never got comfortable with it. Because of that, I have always pulled up on the toe side to upshift. Actually, I've only owned maybe three bikes in 50 years that had a heal shifter. One of those was a Harley and the first thing I did to it when I got it home was to remove the heal shifter. It just got in the way. My question on your Honda's is, can the bikes be shifted with just the toe side without too much trouble? If they can, I'd probably just cut off the heal shifter and not worry about it.
The Super Cub and CT125 shift shafts are standard Honda fare, so I'm sure that other shift levers will fit. The length and offset/bend might be the only tricky part to match. I will probably replace the lever on the CT125 with a normal toe shift because I think the heel shift will get in the way for stand-up riding. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotardI’m getting a preowned 2019 Super Cub soon, and I’m pretty sure I’ll want to put just a toe shifter on it. Have you heard of anyone doing it, and IF so … did it work okay for them?
On HD’s I’ve owned and 1 Moto Guzzi I couldn’t get used to the heel toe shifters.
I’ve had had 3 preowned early 70’s CT90’s and never completely got used to them either.
I’ll never understand why Honda eliminated the Hi/Lo range on the new trails?
Do you still have the capability of climbing extreme angles?
Nice couple of bikes you have there 👍
@@Dachshund-Nator Thanks for the feedback! I wish that Honda had included the high/low output on the new CT125... it was a great feature on the old CT110. The new CT125 has more power than the older bikes, but it can still get bogged down in deep sand/gravel or when climbing extreme inclines. I've had a few occasions where I needed to waddle the bike along with my feet at full throttle to get it moving.
The shift shaft on both bikes is a standard size, so it should be possible to swap a different shift lever if necessary. It might be tricky fniding a replacement lever that's long enough and has enough bend to match the clearance of the OEM unit. Instead, I would suggest rotating the OEM shifter upward (clockwise) on the splines to move the heel portion out of your way if you don't want to use it. The toe portion would be raised up and the heel lowered, so it should be out of your way. Some owners have cut off the heel portion of the shifter, but I wouldn't recommend that because the lever is very expensive to replace ($150+) if you want to revert to stock.
The tricky thing to learn about these semi-auto bikes is that the clutch engagement is tied to the shift lever itself. The timing and operation is different than traditional motorcycles where quick stabs of the shifter are best for shifting. The Cub requires a SLOW release of the lever because that's what is re-engaging the clutch plates. It's difficult to shift them smoothly without learning some finesse to operate the shift lever SLOWLY to re-engage the clutch after each shift.
Using the heel shifter allows more precise control because you're raising and lowering your heel with your calf muscles instead of lifting and releasing with your toes. I had a bit of trouble with the heel shifter until I raised the heel portion by rotating it 1-2 splines (counter-clockwise). That modification made a world of difference for me to release the shifter smoothly. Here is that video if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/hi24CwhOGLU/w-d-xo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you for the quick reply. I’ll definitely check out the video, I know for SURE I won’t be cutting the original lever off. In general I’m always resistant to making changes that involve saws , torches, or welding.😂 👍
My take away from this video, both great bikes! Love the Cub, but I bet the Trial is great fun. It's also nice to hear your views on small engine bikes. Well done.
Thanks again for the feedback, Paul! I'm eager to get the CT125 out on some proper adventures. I will probably swap the tires for something that has more bite... IRC GP-1's or similar. I will be getting it out into the backwoods in the Sam Houston and Sabine National Forests soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
I will probably be picking up my Trail 125 this week hopefully. They wouldn't let me pick it up because of a recall on the shifter. I think some had a bad weld from the factory. I badly injured both my ankles from a fall in 2004. They don't bend to well anymore and one of them is fused with plate and screws. So I figure I'm definitely going to need to rotate mine just so I can shift it easier. I watched your video of the position change. Pretty easy! Thanks for the videos. EE
Congrats on your new CT125! I received the recall notice in the mail for the shifter replacement, but I haven't taken it in to have that recall performed yet. I'll schedule an appointment for it so they have the part in stock and ready to go. Adjusting the shifter angle is easy to do, but you'll need to loosen the footpeg bracket bolts to give enough clearance to slide the shifter off of the shaft. Just one spline counterclockwise did the trick for me on both the CT125 and the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks, I moved my shifter yesterday and installed a Gold Plug. Both were easy. I got insurance, tags, and title today. Hopefully soon I can take it for a spin. I think I will like the shifter better in this position. Your shifter may be fine. I think some of them had a bad weld that was breaking possibly. EE
Thank you for these comparisons and introducing me to the Super Cub! I want to have a bike to ride in a city due to fuel mileage and ease of parking, have you had any issues with these in cities other than having to take backroads to avoid high speed freeways? Also, I know they're hot commodities and have been since you uploaded this video, I wanted to know how did you acquire both of yours, because many secondhand dealers are charging well above Honda MSRP and I might just have to wait them out. Again, thank you, and I can't wait to add to my Honda collection, this company is nothing but bulletproof. My father had an old 2003 Rancher ATV on our ranch and never once changed the oil, somehow still runs like a dream haha.
Thanks for watching and leaving feedback! I placed early deposits on these bikes long before they were generally available. The Super Cub's deposit was 9+ months early, and the CT125 was about 4 months before release. The CT125 has been rare due to Honda's limited distribution since 2021. The Super Cub is easier to find on the used market, and I would recommend looking for a private seller instead of a motorcycle dealership (stealership)... you'll save a bunch of money.
Both of these Cubs are excellent commuters due to their excellent fuel efficiency and better-than-average handling due to their large 17" wheels. The CT125 offers more cargo capacity and slightly better suspension than the Super Cub. The CT125's suspension is damped better than the SC, and the somewhat larger tires help to absorb potholes in the city better than the SC's narrow tires.
The SC needs a rear rack to be a good commuter... wearing backpacks is tedious and annoying. I installed the Honda rear rack and didn't like it at all. I upgraded to the Kijima rear rack and side supports (video here: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html ) for a much more capable storage system.
I haven't experienced ANY mechanical problems with either of these machines. My Super Cub has over 15K brutal highway miles on it now, and 10K miles of that was wide-open throttle for the Scooter Cannonball Run (playlist here: th-cam.com/play/PLLXxDh3JumLnSK37lF4AcrF28frAIfLfA.html ). The CT125 has about 3K miles of equally brutal highway miles on it without any problems. Both machines consume a small amount of oil during extended high-RPM running, which should be expected with any air-cooled engine. Otherwise, they are bulletproof and should outlive me! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Awesome video!! what one should I buy? Just bought the super cub for my girlfriend debating on if I want the cub or trail. Honest opinion! Thank you (: ☮️
Ideally, you should ride the CT125 first to see if you prefer it over the Super Cub. The CT is fun, but it's not as quick or nimble as the SC. If you want to do any light off-roading (e.g., gravel or grass lanes), then the CT is the better choice. If you don't plan to go off-road, then the SC is the better option, in my opinion. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
You forgot the link for the rack.
I reviewed the KIjima rack and side supports in a separate video: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html . The direct links to those items are here:
- Kijima Rear Carrier: japan.webike.net/products/24037021.html
- Kijima Bag Supports: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html
Cheers! 👍 --QM
I like the Trail spoke wheels better... Wish you could switch them onto the SC
I might be doing exactly that sometime soon! I'll probably Frankenstein my SC into a hybrid mini-monster with spoke wheels, dual disc brakes, and a 181cc big-bore kit before the 2023 Scooter Cannonball Run. I already have both bikes, so it's just a matter of swapping pieces and fabricating a few small items for the SC (e.g., axle spacer collars, rear swingarm brake caliper holder, rear brake lever & master cylinder bracket, etc). 😉👍 --QM
wish you could include in reviews the availability of parts of it thanks
Accessories for the CT125 are finally becoming more common, but most of them come from the Asian markets. I have ordered a bunch of parts from WeBike Japan ( japan.webike.net ). Many of the items were on extended back-order for 3-4 months, but I finally received my shipment last week. I am installing and recording the process to share with other CT125 owners. I'll be editing and posting those videos very soon. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard ok, im planning to buy one but im worried the avaiability of parts if in case break down of some parts need for replacement or parts that is compatable to ct125 like other motorcycles
I would swap the grips with pro taper pillow grips. Do you consider to put a kick start on the super Cub? I was really disappointed that they didn’t put in on the super Cub , also spoked wheels will look great. Damn I wish the CT will make it to the EU.
I'm planning to replace the CT's grips with the ProGrip 714's ( amzn.to/3p6sicb )... they feel better to me and they don't get slippery in the mud or rain. I don't know if it's possible to change the side cover on the Super Cub to install the kick-starter... I'm sure it will also involve installing the sprag gear assembly and the different clutch basket, too. I'm still rooting for you guys on the other side of the pond. Hopefully, Honda can resolve the emissions stuff and bring the CT125 to you for 2022! Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for the nice comparison! Can you tell me where you got your windscreen for the Cub and the rear carrier? thanks!
Thanks for the feedback! You can find the videos for my Super Cub here:
- Asahi Short Visor windscreen: th-cam.com/video/O-06y9YDLec/w-d-xo.html
- Kijima rear carrier: th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html
The product links are in the video descriptions. Both pieces were ordered from Webike Japan, so shipping can be expensive if you're only buying one thing at a time. The upside is that their shipping is always very fast... usually only 3-5 business days all the way from Japan! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Awesome Thank you!
one other thing, I cannot seem to find your same side bag carriers on Webike. Can you tell me where you got yours? They look better than the Takagawa on Webike. thanks again!
Those are the Kijima "bag supports" listed in the video description about the rear carrier. Here is the direct link: japan.webike.net/products/23969200.html . They work with the factory rack, but match better with the Kijima rack's length. 😉👍 --QM
I would guess that these world bike are targeted to similar people but the super cub may be for a little smaller and lighter frame riders and the trail is for slightly larger & taller drivers.
This is purely a guess. But a 5-6 average rider to a 5-10 average rider would create a difference in specs
Got my title in the mail, super cub coming soon!😁
Sweet! Congrats! Do you have plans to road trip the bike... upgrade plans, etc? 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard not a clue, might wait till a bit warmer though, brrrr, gonna need a cup holder for sure😁
Is there any aftermarket option to change the gearing on the Trial to be more like the Super Cub? I don't think I lik that top speed decrease. Seems like Honda should offer that for people who don't want to take the Trail off road.
Yes, the sprockets are easy to change. A simple upgrade would be to increase the front sprocket +1 tooth to a 15T. That would help to calm the motor at higher speeds, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the CT125 will be able to pull higher top speeds overall.
The CT125's engine has been tuned differently to give more mid-range torque instead of top-end power. The only physical changes (to my knowledge) are different intake tract length and maybe exhaust tuning that creates that difference. So, the CT125 is slightly down on horsepower vs the Super Cub (only by about 0.5 HP). That slight difference in power curves combined with the worse aerodynamics means that the CT125 will struggle more at high speeds vs the Super Cub. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard I'm thinking about getting a Super Cub, thanks for the info.
very nice comparison
Thanks! 👍 --QM
Even colors are same as mine...
Both are good bikes.
Very informative...Thank you from Merry Old England ;)
Thanks for the feedback, and greetings from the USA! 😉👍 --QM
I used to say back in the 80's that Honda should make a larger version of the Trail 90/110. I still think they should make a bigger version around 200 cc's to better keep up with today's traffic, also needs a 6 speed!
Absolutely! I've been saying that for years. Honda could introduce a 185-200cc version of these bikes and they would be much better suited for the USA's riding conditions. Those few extra HP would give better highway compatibility and stronger off-road climbing power, yet still not sacrifice too much in terms of fuel economy or engine reliability. Keep it air-cooled and lightweight. The Super Cub could benefit from a slightly longer wheelbase (maybe a touch more rake) and a larger fuel tank... maybe 2.5 gallons. That would give it serious long-range touring capabilities. Well, I can dream... unfortunately, it'll probably never happen. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard
How about three versions of it? A 125cc ( C/CT), 156.9cc (PCX), and a 200cc (for exp riders)? Also, I’ve never heard anyone call a brake caliper...one or two pot. Most people say one piston or two piston brake calipers.
@@travelinman482 Honda sticks to the worldwide standards for license classifications, so that's why the 125cc limitation. Many EU countries have provisions to allow motorists to ride 125cc and smaller bikes without needing to take the motorcycle endorsement testing. I think that the "CT185" or "CT200" would be a fantastic trail bike if it ever came to life.
The term "pot" is old racing parlance (I'm no spring chicken 😉). The term probably originated in automotive racing where the caliper pistons looked like small cooking pots when turned upside down. I was surprised to see that the CT125 has a dual-piston front caliper while the Super Cub only has a single piston. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard
Thanks for the quick response.
Appreciate your detail. Subbed👍
Thanks for the feedback and the sub! Let me know if you have any specific questions about either bike, and I'll be glad to assist! 😉👍 --QM
Props you bought both models, very good details. I have 9 bikes 750s,, Italiian Twins, Harley, Super Ten, and my small bike is the TW200, Both of these bikes interest me. The one thing you mentioned is although I usually customize something on each of my bikes I can't see why brand new low powered bikes would need steel braided line upgrade?
Ths for the feedback! It sounds like you're a 2-wheel addict like me... I have 20 bikes in the stable right now! The front brake lever is VERY squishy on both the C125 and CT125, so I'd just like to firm-up the lever if I can. It's not a show-stopper, and the brakes still work well enough, but it bugs me because my other bikes don't have such soft levers. I demonstrated it in the beginning of this ride th-cam.com/video/_uSh6S6tDfM/w-d-xo.html . I don't know if it's small piston diameters in the hydraulic system or if it's squishy lines... I'll tackle the problem one piece at a time. 😉👍 --QM
You might want to really check on those parts you think are Identical I have a older Honda 90 Motorcycle and in the years past Honda did mix up a lot of the parts internally and Externally on those bikes in the 1960s on mine the Kickstarter shaft stripped out and on the hunt for the replacement I found 3 other sizes that were slightly different and would not work on my Bike I did however get the right part from a guy inTexas that a Parts Salesman at my localHonda dealership knew Was into the Antique Honda’s and their parts it so happened that the Dealership Owner did have a fairly large Antique and Vintage Motorcycle collection the guy inTexas told me that Was fairly common onHondas of that era because of how the Factory did Assembly then FYI my Motorcycle is a S90 not a Cub or Trail but does have the 90 engine / manualTransmission
2 good looking rides!
@QuasiMotard
Between this two:
- Which one is more fun to ride?
- Which one you like more?
- If you only have to keep one, which one would you keep?
Thank you sir!
That's a common question, and it's a tough one to answer. It really depends on your riding preferences... on-road vs off-road. If you plan to ride mostly on the pavement, then the Super Cub is the clear winner because of its higher gearing and slightly better aerodynamics. However, if you have any off-road intentions, then the CT125 is the only way to go. I will be changing the gearing and/or installing a big-bore kit on the CT125 to give it a bit more power, so it might become my overall favorite. I didn't get the CT125 as an "only" bike... I have lots of different machines to ride. The CT125 fills a niche for me to handle my off-road adventure camping adventures instead of my Yamaha XT250. Time will tell if it's a better choice. Cheers! 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thank you very much, I have designed to go with CT-125 and upgrade with big-bore kit and exhaust system
Thank you again sir!!!
..you got 2 nice bike, regarding the gear shifter,how about removing/grind off the back portion,like those single shifter , cheers.
Thanks for the feedback! I thought about cutting the heel portion off of the Super Cub's shifter when I first got it, but then I saw how expensive the shifter is... over $150! After I readjusted it, then it has been much easier to use. In the CT125's case, I might replace the shifter with a standard unit because the heel portion might get in the way for trail riding. I had the CT90 and CT110 back in the mid-1980s, and both of those bikes had standard shift levers on them... probably changed by the original owners. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Please check the price of the shifter, if the Dealer states $150, ask Dealer to check with Honda HQ in case there is an error in the price list. I purchased a new USA style shift lever for my Supercub and it was £32, UK Supercub has a heel-pedal and toe-pedal shifter, US has a heel-pedal and a toe-stub shifter
@@cyclist3969 These Honda shift levers are prohibitively expensive here in the USA. The Super Cub's lever is $180.58 USD!!! ( drive.google.com/file/d/1wUzYaRrT-kNPzyQFfkU_iM4EITY3nBTn/view?usp=sharing ). The CT125's shift lever was even more expensive when I last checked, but our suppliers can't seem to source it right now ( drive.google.com/file/d/1H7c3wk9Tijwc6yhE2GXlm5PF5nYgDGvU/view?usp=sharing ). --QM
Awesome video. But why would you do a review in the rain and let the rain fall down on your new motor scooters
Thanks for the feedback! I was already wet from another project in the rain, and my bikes are ridden in all weather conditions. I'm usually working crazy hours, so I try to take advantage of any free time to share videos! Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Great info ,
how many bikes do you own ?
There are currently 24 bikes in my stable, but I'm hoping to thin that down to around 10-12 later this year. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Hello and thanks for a very informative video. Could you tell me there you bought the rear rack? Thanks
Thanks for the feedback! The Trail 125 comes with that massive rear rack from the factory. I added the Kijima rack and side supports from Website in Japan. You can see that video here (product links are in the video description): th-cam.com/video/p8dNW8pEHqc/w-d-xo.html . Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
very nice side by side thank you ! im thinkin IF this is like my 78 honda 50 was ( which it seems to be in every way plus some ) you can also start from a roll or push ? lol ... the good ole days but it worked.
Thanks for the feedback! Yes, the CT125 can be bump started or kick started even without a battery. The C125 can be bump started with a weak battery, but won't start or run without a battery or a completely dead one ( th-cam.com/video/VwCYfBrCxv8/w-d-xo.html ).
There must be a minor difference in the C125's charging system or fuel injection that requires the battery to sustain it, whereas the CT125 seems to be self-sufficient from the alternator output. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard thanks mate I just realized the blinkers press is to disengage either or signal. (I thought I was accidentally turning on the emergency lights every time lol turns out there are no emergency lights at least I don't think so)
Its a Shame that you can't Buy the Trail Unit in Military Green Color in America, Australia and several other countries have it in Green.
agreed, what marketing genius at Honda makes these decision?
Agreed! I would have liked to get the tan/drab color. I've never figured out why they only bring particular colors and on different years. If they already produce the bikes (plastics) in other colors, then just offer them in each market instead of isolating markets by color. It's odd. The 2019 Super Cub is a prime example... it sold like hotcakes, but the 2020/2021 in the red/beige color wasn't so popular. 👍 --QM
Hey! Who's a lucky fellow then! I have to say the Cub looks more appealing to me but let me go get a coffee and check out your latest presentation.
Howdy, sir, it's good to hear from you again! Do you have any new toys over on your side of the pond? How are you and the Super Cub getting along... still riding it? 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Excellent thank you, depite the chaos in the U.K re CV-19. 10/10 for filming your excellent comparison between the two machines and excellently presented as usual. Interested to know how you edited the footage from the 360. I have one too but never thought of using it the way you have - brilliant!!! No new bike toys here bar a BMW R1200R. Got an interest down for the new battery powered Cub and that will join the "bluey" in the garage. Still using it but not as much as I should be. Stay safe Aaron and keep them video's rolling!
Overall it seems the CT is actually the better buy. It can do the same on road and is better off-road.
It would seem that way, but I can't make any definite opinions about it yet. I think the SC will still be better for many chores because of its higher gearing, but I'm sure that I will adapt to the CT's lower gearing just fine. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Why not just cut the heel shifter off and use the toe shift, like a normal bike?
The heel shifter works very well on these bikes when you can actuate them properly. The heel allows you to slowly lift off of the shift to smoothly engage the clutch. I wouldn't even think of cutting down one of these levers because they are EXPENSIVE! It's crazy how expensive they are... the Super Cub's shifter is over $170 and the CT125's is over $200! It would be easier (and cheaper) to buy a generic folding shift lever for a small dirt bike and then bend it to fit these bikes instead. I almost did that for the Super Cub until I decided to change the angle by rotating down (counter-clockwise) one spline. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard The shifters are only £32 in the UK for either the UK and USA style ( SuperCub )
It still really disappoints me the Super Cub doesn't come standard with a rear rack that's actually usable. Instead, it comes with no rack, and an optional $100 tiny one that's pointless. I'd love to know if the rear rack on the HunterCub could be mounted on a SuperCub's rear.
Agreed! The SC really should have come with a rack as standard equipment. Even if the OEM rack proved to be too small for many people, at least it would have had some provision for carrying your junk on it. The Kijima rack and side supports that I installed are fantastic... the SC really should have come with them, or Honda should have contracted Kijima to make the OEM racks for them. 👍 --QM
I wonder what if any add ons or upgrades will be made on the 2022 model Honda CT125 because I sure would love to have one to commute back and forth to work at least 3 days a week out of 5 !!!
I know that Honda has made updates to both the Super Cub (C125) and the Trail 125 (CT125) for the 2022 model year so they meet EURO-5 compliance requirements. They have added a new, more efficient exhaust catalyst and slightly revised engines to give more power and lower emissions. I'm sure that the power differences will be minor because the displacement hasn't changed.
I think that the Euro and Canadian models might include passenger seats and pegs, but that's not definite. The US-spec models probably won't see these changes until 2023, and the passenger accommodations will likely be omitted here.
You can check out HondaPro Kevin's site ( @HondaPro Kevin , th-cam.com/users/HondaProKevin ) for more detailed reviews and inside scoops on lots of upcoming Honda models. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Thanks for your review .. Will you be going to a 15 tooth front sprocket, on the Trail ?
I will probably go to a 15T/39T or a 13T/36T combo to give just a bit more on-road capability. I don't want to sacrifice too much low-speed grunt for trail and backwoods riding. I'll be shuffling the numbers on GearingCommander.com to see what the best ratios will be. Since we didn't get the dual-range sub-transmission gears on the new CT125, I'm also considering keeping a 13T front sprocket in my road kit so I can "quickly" swap it when I get off of the main roads. That would only be when I intend to spend a while off-road... a day or more. The task isn't difficult, but it's a messy PITA... pull the front sprocket cover, pull the sprocket retaining bolts, loosen the rear axle, swap sprockets, set chain tension, torque rear axle, reassemble everything... probably about 10-15 minutes each time. 👍 --QM
@@QuasiMotard Thanks, For the reply .. And Enjoy