I view Nightmare Moon as being more like a serious mental breakdown, rather than some kind of phase that Luna choose to adopt. So, to me, the EoH didn't change her but acted as the magical equivalent of (for lack of a better phrase) mental medicine, like anti-depressants.
I mean, the Nightmare Rarity arc in the comics had Nightmare Moon be at least partly due to outside influence, so it could be that the Elements of Harmony just kicked the influence out. It could be like Sunset Shimmer, where the magical change into Nightmare Moon scared her straight after she was saved
There was actually a story where Discord explained how his magic worked. I don't remember which one it was (I have like over 300 stories in favorites on Fimfiction, so yeah), but the explenation the author gave is quite plausible. Chaos magic is just that - chaotic and unpredictable. Discord just uses his powers and sees how it takes effect, most of the time getting the results he wanted, but for the most part just rolling with what comes out. That would be also a reason why Discord wouldn't be helpful in anything that involved powerful but precise magic. Truly, your videos never cease to amaze and entertain. Can't wait for the Twilight's Kingdom review here!
Highly entertaining as always Silver. Though most everyone, myself included, have wished that the writers could have spent more time on Discord's reformation. I believe this is still a very worthwhile episode overall.
I don't know about you, Doc, but I say they could have always revived Discord next season or later; while letting S3 focus on Cadance's character/arc to make her a little more interesting, especially with all the Cadance toys being sold around that time.
maybe they should have an episode JUST about discord, the mane six +spike go to canterlot for somethin, and discord does whatever in ponyvill while they're away, sorta like what happened in the season4 premier only we don't see what the mane 6 are doing
Angel Mlp I just found it funny how the comment was about *Angel* being *dead* and you then told us your name was *Angel* and your father's name was written like *death* in my mother tongue. Probably just funny because I don't know why you even included your father. Don't mind me. I am amused by weird stuff.
@@ShiningSilvally That's true. That episode definitely made him more understandable. It's just that before then he was very bratty and took advantage of Fluttershy. He's gotten better.
Thank God, I'm not the only one who was put off by the idea of that "reforming spell". I always felt that Twilight was stooping to Discord's level, if not LOWER, when she came up with that crazy idea. 😡
That's too true. Twilight is really pushing to Discord's level with the reforming spell. Honestly, I was scared to death at the thought of the reforming spell on Discord.
That bugged the heck outta me too. I had to create a head-canon that said pony "reforming" spells were temporary measures that blocked the subject's aggressive or evil tendencies, only to be used in extreme circumstances. And that she wouldn't have used it unless Discord started causing some serious damage, and it would wear off after they got him in, like, an anti-magic cage or something.
Jackie McCann Honestly, I'm a little conflicted here. Sure, the mere thought of such a spell is as dark as they come (I HATE all forms of mind control), but, I gotta see it from Twi's perspective, too. What Discord did, well, I know a lot of people (and ponies) who wouldn't have just turned him into a statue. He not only messed with their personalities, their friendship, which is probably one of the most precious things in their lives, but he wouldn't have stopped at Ponyville. As soon as the Elements were out of the way for good, he would've turned his eyes on the rest of Equestria, if not the entire world. Hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of innocent Ponies, Griffins, Buffalos and whatever the heck else lives in that world, would've had to suffer under his brand of Chaos... Yeah, I can't really blame her for slipping so much....
Discord is the best character on the show. Hes ALLWAYS been the best character! He is literally the reason I got into the show initially with Return of Harmony.
I came across an interesting idea as to why Discord's powers seem weaker. In a fanfic it was stated that Discord actually uses chaos to make himself stronger, not just creating it. If we go by that idea, it means that Discord creates chaos, allows it build and then feeds on that chaos like energy. It make him grow stronger and thus he makes greater chaos and feeds off that again, making him stronger still. An ever expanding cycle of growth.
and would help to explain his taking over Equestria that first time at the start from the start and that only a supreme force could stand to oppose, if still because more to him? The strife of the 3 clans had been subdued yet likely ever still subversive.
JMDarkly1 He is just like queen Chrysalis. She was able too defeat princess Celestia, by absorbing Shining Armor´s love for princess Cadence. Discord run on Chaos.
I love going back over these older comments and seeing how spot on they are. It took until season 7 (Discordant Harmony) for the show to prove that's exactly the case. Well done everypony.
What this episode really does excellently is presenting the moral problem of being self-centered, and providing a sensible counter argument in a way that kids can understand. That´s something I find this fandom often forgets in its neverending analysis. The episodes are usually approached only as stories, and not as lessons for kids, which is really kind of what they do best. One could easily imagine that this epsiode would teach a young girl how to deal properly with a misbehaving younger brother for instance.
Does anyone else feel like Discord really was LONELY and used all that chaos to distract himself from it? Maybe Celestia figured that out,after all now he doesn't need to create so much. He's gone from being a threat to the whole world to pulling some pranks and tolerable amount of mischief.
This was absolutely hilarious to watch. Once again Silverquill is at his best when it comes to all of the references and jokes he throws in. That reforming device reminds me so much of that device Flim and Flam showed off in 'A Case for the Bass' that I think it may have been intentional. Also love the Clint Eastwood reference at the start and the cameos from his previous guests. As for KP, she was a pleasure to watch as she acts like a really good foil to Silver. Oh, and that ending....I couldn't stop laughing at how comedic and wonderful it was.
I laughed way too hard when she said "This is my favorite episode, you better tread lightly, mister." I don't know why, there's just something about the way she said it. I watched that part like 4 times.
I think what you missed about Discord's power is this: He isn't like Q, he IS Q. He's almost the exact same character. He is very powerful, to the point that he can bend reality to his will. But that doesn't mean he's unbeatable. The Enterprise crew always managed to beat Q's challenges or solve the problems he created in their own way. So to have Q port over to Equestria wouldn't put a limit on his ability. It would just give him a new set of challenges. Discord knew he could exploit the ignorance of the Mane 6 to try and throw them off their game and get his way, but also winds up showing his own and losing because of it. In Star Trek, Q does the same thing. The first time he meets the Enterprise crew, he exploits their ignorance but suffers from his own form, and loses his challenge with Picard. Discord isn't supposed to be super powerful, becuase like Q, he's a well rounded character who knows how to have fun. But the trade off is that he's not good at being serious. He just does what he knows he can do best.
Yeah, Twilight knows a disturbing number of spells that allow her to "assume direct control" and basically play God. To the point that I'm convinced that if Twilight ever went full Nightmare Moon, Equestria is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkkkkked!
***** **fires 50 cal. snoipah rifle** say something? oh shit, i forgot about what Fluttershy would do. ;_;' SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT HELP!!! **runs away then teleports (RD)** LOCKDOWN! **sends mansion into lockdown mode** phew.
6:06 I've been wondering this question too, but for a different reason: Discord controlled the sun and the moon in Return of Harmony. It took all of the alicorn magic in equestria for Twilight to do so, but Discord did it at will.
Silver, KP, and even a Digi cameo? It is time to give thanks indeed! Great episode, you two. Insightful, thought-provoking, and darn entertaining to boot.
Wasn't sure if you'd be up for this, but since I'm passionate about Twilight like ILoveKimPossibleALot is with Discord...how about a collab with me on Magical Mystery Cure?
there's the possibility that in the first two episodes discord merely made himself seem more powerful than he actually was, his powers may indeed have a limit and would like it that others do not know that
Except it's not just Discord. Celestia herself stated that even with her own and Luna's powers combined they were no match for Discord, only being able to defeat him by discovering the Elements of Harmony. This is further backed up when Discord steels those elements out of a magical vault that Celestia had thought impenetrable -- and yet somehow we are supposed to believe that in KC&FO she can suddenly cast a spell that stops him from steeling them a second time? Furthermore, there is just how effortlessly Discord goes about the process of corrupting the M6, most notably Fluttershy. With each of the others he played head games first, but when Fluttershy lack of self-esteem proves too humble, he just gets fed up and whammies her anyway with only a single touch. Proving that he never had to play such head games in the first place and could have hexed all the others just as easily and called it a day. Point being the fandom presumed Discords powers to be nigh-omnipotent because that's what everything about the way return of harmony was staged led us to believe. As such his powers come across feeling very watered down with no real explanation outside of contrived plot convenience.
Emeral Bookwise I stopped thinking about power levels in FiM in the way DBZ treats them after Canterlot Wedding. It made Twilights Kingdom a lot easier to stomach ;)
Kyoko Kobayashi interestingly enough, the whole reason the creator introduced power levels in DBZ was to show how useless They were. also, Twilights Kingdom are some level was OVER 9000!!!!!
It's not really a DBZ thing, which attempted to actually quantify each character power with a numeric value, but rather just a comparative scale based on information the show itself gives us. Celestia > Luna, but Nightmare Moon > Celestia, but EOH > Nightmare Moon Likewise, Discord > Celestia+Luna, but EOH > Discord Admittedly Twilight's Kingdom is kind of trouble spot, but that episode already lost most of its credulity the moment Celestia's supposed best plan is to "hide" all of the alicorn magic in Twilight on grounds that Tirek doesn't know about her, despite the fact that Discord is at this point allied with Tirek and could rat her out (which is basically exactly what happened).
Gungelion You've proven they where not pointless. We got one of the (if not the) most used memes ever from them. :D Jokes aside. You are right DBZ power levels where proven highly inaccurate and random a few chapters after being established. My Equestrian world order kinda shattered when Chryssi overpowered Celly. Since then I just accepted the rule of plot convenience. Characters will always be as strong and have access to just the spells that the plot demands. (like Twi suddenly being unable to teleport in Feeling Pinkie Keen)
My personal headcanon for how powerful discord is goes like so: Discord is a very powerful magic user, but most of his strength comes from the power of suggestion. He's a manipulator, not an all-powerful demigod. When he took away the mane six's magic/wings it was more of a suggestion that they no longer had them, than an actual theft of them. In that respect, I believe most of Discord's magic is a type of illusion, not an actual altering of the physical world. Again, he SUGGESTS that he's done something much larger than he actually has.
Why don't they get a piece of land for Discord, one he can turn into a chaos-riddled theme park of hilarity. He could get total freedom to be as random as possible, and those that visited him could take part in the fun and then leave when they have had enough. Also... when you're going from place to place... do you just keep the gas pedal floored? do you always ride a bike at full speed? I look at Discord using his powers like that, he uses them as he needs/wants to. does he always have to magic everything at full power? wouldn't that run him dry pretty fast?
This is confirmed in later episodes in case you didn’t know- he has his own pocket reality where he lives and he’s seen to suffer exhaustion after using his powers like crazy (although all we ever truly get is him whipping some sweat off his brow and going “whew” like he it’s nothing)
Discord's power is determined by plot convenience? Sounds about right. I've never seen a character go from OP to underwhelming to OP to just okay quite like him before.
MLP-Silver-Quill It would really interest me into knowing how real Digibrony was with that joke of not collaborating anymore because of explosions. That means no one can do major collaborations with that brony anymore?
P. Fox For how long or to what extent? Everyone needs breaks now and then to be sure, especially the things we care the most about. DeathGodRiku what alicorn you speaking of? Twicon? (lol) KP though cute as all buck (was going to say hot as hell) She isn't an ali, but a peg.
There was a fic where Fluttershy being a giant manipulator was shown to be the worst idea she's ever had since she's also the only one that would often interact with Discord. In short Discord basically becomes AM and stops Fluttershy from ever bring able to die and turns her into a puppet that does and says whatever he wants. 'Twas a lovely read
DISCORD I’M HOWLING AT THE MOON AND SLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUMMER AFTERNOON DISCORD WHAT EVER DID WE DO TO MAKE YOU TAKE OUR WORLD AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can understand how KP feels about Discord. Me and my friend Clarissa, have our favorite as Discord too. Every Discord episode is in our favorites. It's all senpai Discord.
I always got the feeling that Discord's speciality was as much (or more) illusory mind-warping as physical reality-warping.. Like the elements being in the box when Celestia opened it, but invisible. He wouldn't have to be _powerful_ to use it, just _clever_, which fits with his preference of visions and mind control.. and being drained easily by Tirek without Tirek using his powers.
I always kind of figured Celestia didn't bat an eye when they spoke to her like that because (1) she's patient and empathetic and, more importantly (2) using that patience and empathy, she knows how *insane* her plan sounds.
Awesome collab, Silver Quill! Personally, my thoughts on Keep Calm And Flutter On: what was the point? Even if you reform Discord in the episode, that doesn't excuse the chaos he causes in this episode, the vine invasion in Princess Twilight Sparkle and teaming up with Tirek in Twilight's Kingdom. Also, when Discord said the "Friendship Is Magic" line, I knew he was faking being reformed. I'm sorry, I want to like this episode. I really do. But there were so many things that didn't make sense.
I like to imagine everyone in Silver Quill's videos to be constantly on invisible hoverboards or something to explain the lack of walking animation when a character moves.
one problem, discord didn't actually manipulate rarity, he just made her think the rock was a huge diamond and let her own greed go from there. everyone else he actually had to hypnotize/brainwash, what's that say about rarity's generosity?
Out of curiosity, did you consider Celestia's reaction at the end is also because she knew of Tirek's escape by this time, and was hoping for Discord's reformation for dealing with him? I think that'd be some pretty good foreshadowing of future events.
MLP-Silver-Quill Well I saw that more as Celestia horrified at Tirek's abominable act, or she was shocked that Tirek has finally regained enough power to start his magic-stealing spree? We don't really know how exactly, or how precise, her prophetic dreams work. It's also possible Celestia planned to have Discord reformed because she had the prison cells checked after Cerberus' escape, don't want to panic anyone else, & secretly hoped to have him reformed as a magic-anomaly tracker to recapture Tirek.
9:10 This is creepy! A reforming spell. I would understand if she looked for a spell that would keep Discord in a house arrest. That would make sense. But a reformig spell. She was going to make Discord discorded.
That's the moral kids. If the bad guy brainwashes someone he is doing something unspeakably evil. If the good guys do that it's called reforming and is perfectly fine. If that sounds familiar, it's because thats been the US politic for decades.
SHE SAID IT!!!!!!!! I KNEW FLUTTERCORD IS BEST SHIP!!!!!!! But if he makes me talk trash about Rob Paulson!? YOU GONNA BE MY BIRTHDAY DINNER PIGEON BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (My birthday is really close to Thanksgiving. Like. Stupid close.)
I feel like (given the stuff we've seen) Discord's magic works in a surprisingly specific way: 'Make something not this'. The 'this' being his choice; so the kitchen ware was 'make it not inanimate' thusly giving way for possible sentience. and with things being materialized; that's a 'make something not fake' set up. He might not have full power over his... well power! It gives (what i think is) a good explanation as to why he can seem all powerful yet not at all at the same time ^~^
Gotta say, silver-quill is one of my favorite critic. His humor is awesome but it doesn't overtake the entire video. One day I shall make a pony, and I will be in one of his videos >:3...or not..Why do you have to crush my dreams like that? :
Celestia's task for her pupil Twilight reminds me of Dumbledore's Quest for Harry to get the memory from Slughorn in "The Half-Blood Prince". Celestia knows, that Twilight and her friends got the possibility (Fluttershy's friendship to Discord) to reform him, like Harry got the possibilty to remind Slughorn of his mother's braveness to get the memory. Reforming Spells on the one side, and Veritaserum on the other are no options cause Discord/Slughorn would be prepared and Celestia/Dumbledore could do it much easier if the option would be there.
Am I the only one who has absolutely no quandaries with the Mane 6s reformation spell due to the belief that Discord was a truly 100% evil tyrant in The return of harmony and feel that every time he is called a trickster or chaotically neutral it puts a dent in the incredibly powerful undertones and themes that gave The return of harmony such an epic feel - I.E "Luna and I saw how miserable life was for each pony so we rose up and defeated him." or how he discorded characters like Pinkie and RD just to mess with Celestia's attack plan - He was evil, plain and simple - When life is misery for the general population, it kind of makes sense for the heroic characters to say "To hell with free will - Possible eternal chaos and misery might make pony Jesus understand!" - And even then if you still think it's going too far, isn't it cool to see characters act strictly on their own morals and actions rather then the plot forcing them to do the "heroic" thing whatever that may be - Isn't Fluttershy already doing that?...actually no, she's using manipulation tied in with genuine affection - That's proper 3-dimentional character, no one is the good or the bad - Everyone is just ugly. Great review both of you.
CrittersRule247 Well, I guess most people just see it as too forceful or sudden to be acceptable, the "reforming spell" will also seem to take away Discord's free will (although as stated in the video we don't really know how it works exactly) in total, even imprisoned, he still retained it, only prevented from exercising it. This may stem from American culture that values freedom & free will above all else (in my limited understanding). Actually real-life already has some examples of "brainwashing", they're just a lot more gradual & subtle to be called out. Yet even then the reciever still retain free will whether they want to choose to accept the suggestions the giver applied or not.
This is my favorite review you've done that I have seen so far because it features my other favorite reviewer. I love how you and KP play off each other ^_^ Besides, who doesn't love a princess and Discord conga line
Oh KP ;just finished it) now you know how new analyst like me feel when you don't reply to our co-lab request. And dige, no co-labs, got it! ;) still crossing my finger for you, Silver, I actually have a good idea for a joke for you to use involving my autistic card
I view Nightmare Moon as being more like a serious mental breakdown, rather than some kind of phase that Luna choose to adopt. So, to me, the EoH didn't change her but acted as the magical equivalent of (for lack of a better phrase) mental medicine, like anti-depressants.
I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA. When you take it like that it makes so much more sense
I mean, the Nightmare Rarity arc in the comics had Nightmare Moon be at least partly due to outside influence, so it could be that the Elements of Harmony just kicked the influence out. It could be like Sunset Shimmer, where the magical change into Nightmare Moon scared her straight after she was saved
There was actually a story where Discord explained how his magic worked. I don't remember which one it was (I have like over 300 stories in favorites on Fimfiction, so yeah), but the explenation the author gave is quite plausible.
Chaos magic is just that - chaotic and unpredictable. Discord just uses his powers and sees how it takes effect, most of the time getting the results he wanted, but for the most part just rolling with what comes out. That would be also a reason why Discord wouldn't be helpful in anything that involved powerful but precise magic.
Truly, your videos never cease to amaze and entertain. Can't wait for the Twilight's Kingdom review here!
Twilight's Kingdom? I already reviewed that: th-cam.com/video/d1JGr8mPp54/w-d-xo.html
MLP-Silver-Quill Oh, right. Sorry, I'm just tired from work and have completely forgotten about it.
Sebastian Kisiel So,,,it's magical gambling? You know, that'd explain a lot...
joinmarch76 Chaos is chaos. Who said that Discord has to actually fully control his magic to do the thing?
Huh makes sense
Highly entertaining as always Silver. Though most everyone, myself included, have wished that the writers could have spent more time on Discord's reformation. I believe this is still a very worthwhile episode overall.
I don't know about you, Doc, but I say they could have always revived Discord next season or later; while letting S3 focus on Cadance's character/arc to make her a little more interesting, especially with all the Cadance toys being sold around that time.
Oh my god! A wolf!
zack black
WHERE?!
Tyrone Bryant Chancellor Palpatine , climb the tree! Screw your silly questions, go go go!
maybe they should have an episode JUST about discord, the mane six +spike go to canterlot for somethin, and discord does whatever in ponyvill while they're away, sorta like what happened in the season4 premier only we don't see what the mane 6 are doing
0:49 when he said that I already knew it was gonna be KP
i did too XD
DW o
me too this review was like a guessing game to me
Well she WAS in the thumbnail
DW it was obvious
DISCORDS SLIPPERS WERE DEAD ANGEL BUNNIES
😭 nooo Angel! Nvm he deserves it 😝
+Elizabeth Inkwell my name is Angel tod is my dad's name >:-(
+Tod Bailey Fitting. Over here, "Tod" means death.
+ZenoDovahkiin wat do you mean
Angel Mlp
I just found it funny how the comment was about *Angel* being *dead* and you then told us your name was *Angel* and your father's name was written like *death* in my mother tongue. Probably just funny because I don't know why you even included your father. Don't mind me. I am amused by weird stuff.
I'm right with him on loving The Angel abuse. I had that exact reaction.
Maya Peterson no one likes Angel
Oh, come on! At least he became a lot more understandable and relatable in "She Talks To Angel", right?
@@ShiningSilvally That's true. That episode definitely made him more understandable. It's just that before then he was very bratty and took advantage of Fluttershy. He's gotten better.
@@mayapeterson3072 All of that is true.
@@mayapeterson3072 that depends if you consider the comics cannon
8:20 "Instead, I'm going to focus on the Angel abuse." Oh, yes, that was truly glorious.
what if he said that with some who was not a bronie and willlll
SILVERQUILL!
You have a flying animation and you weren't dreaming!
*Silver-Quill is the only brony analyst worth watching. ever.*
GOD DAMMIT SILVER, STOP BRAIN-WASHING ME!
7:38 "When Fluttershy changes you, well, it changes a man" What is this word you're using? Maaan...
Haha I get it :3
When Fluttershy stares at you it changes you
Ohh boi
"When Fluttershy STARES INTO you, well, it changes a fan."
Thank God, I'm not the only one who was put off by the idea of that "reforming spell".
I always felt that Twilight was stooping to Discord's level, if not LOWER, when she came up with that crazy idea. 😡
Yes! Other people who get it! I mean, if Harry Potter was to use the imperio curse on anyone, would you still see the hero? Exactly!
That's too true. Twilight is really pushing to Discord's level with the reforming spell. Honestly, I was scared to death at the thought of the reforming spell on Discord.
That bugged the heck outta me too. I had to create a head-canon that said pony "reforming" spells were temporary measures that blocked the subject's aggressive or evil tendencies, only to be used in extreme circumstances. And that she wouldn't have used it unless Discord started causing some serious damage, and it would wear off after they got him in, like, an anti-magic cage or something.
Jackie McCann Honestly, I'm a little conflicted here. Sure, the mere thought of such a spell is as dark as they come (I HATE all forms of mind control), but, I gotta see it from Twi's perspective, too. What Discord did, well, I know a lot of people (and ponies) who wouldn't have just turned him into a statue. He not only messed with their personalities, their friendship, which is probably one of the most precious things in their lives, but he wouldn't have stopped at Ponyville. As soon as the Elements were out of the way for good, he would've turned his eyes on the rest of Equestria, if not the entire world. Hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS of innocent Ponies, Griffins, Buffalos and whatever the heck else lives in that world, would've had to suffer under his brand of Chaos...
Yeah, I can't really blame her for slipping so much....
You've got a point...
Discord is the best character on the show. Hes ALLWAYS been the best character! He is literally the reason I got into the show initially with Return of Harmony.
At 1:50, "Let's do this, bird guy!!" YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
@@ultraslye the song thing
I came across an interesting idea as to why Discord's powers seem weaker. In a fanfic it was stated that Discord actually uses chaos to make himself stronger, not just creating it. If we go by that idea, it means that Discord creates chaos, allows it build and then feeds on that chaos like energy. It make him grow stronger and thus he makes greater chaos and feeds off that again, making him stronger still. An ever expanding cycle of growth.
and would help to explain his taking over Equestria that first time at the start from the start and that only a supreme force could stand to oppose, if still because more to him? The strife of the 3 clans had been subdued yet likely ever still subversive.
Your Kawaii Log Has Vanished! That's the best example I can think of.
JMDarkly1 He is just like queen Chrysalis. She was able too defeat princess Celestia, by absorbing Shining Armor´s love for princess Cadence. Discord run on Chaos.
I love going back over these older comments and seeing how spot on they are. It took until season 7 (Discordant Harmony) for the show to prove that's exactly the case. Well done everypony.
to me I think when he was reformed their was a limitation too his power
The crazy hippogriff and the Discordsister. Best team-up ever.
ikr lol
What this episode really does excellently is presenting the moral problem of being self-centered, and providing a sensible counter argument in a way that kids can understand.
That´s something I find this fandom often forgets in its neverending analysis. The episodes are usually approached only as stories, and not as lessons for kids, which is really kind of what they do best.
One could easily imagine that this epsiode would teach a young girl how to deal properly with a misbehaving younger brother for instance.
Does anyone else feel like Discord really was LONELY and used all that chaos to distract himself from it? Maybe Celestia figured that out,after all now he doesn't need to create so much. He's gone from being a threat to the whole world to pulling some pranks and tolerable amount of mischief.
I like how no one noticed that THE BEVERS BUILT A FRIGGIN CRANE! HOW SMART ARE THEY?! You can see it at 12:48.
This was absolutely hilarious to watch. Once again Silverquill is at his best when it comes to all of the references and jokes he throws in. That reforming device reminds me so much of that device Flim and Flam showed off in 'A Case for the Bass' that I think it may have been intentional. Also love the Clint Eastwood reference at the start and the cameos from his previous guests. As for KP, she was a pleasure to watch as she acts like a really good foil to Silver. Oh, and that ending....I couldn't stop laughing at how comedic and wonderful it was.
I laughed way too hard when she said "This is my favorite episode, you better tread lightly, mister."
I don't know why, there's just something about the way she said it.
I watched that part like 4 times.
How are you still alive after insulting the holy John Man De Lancie in front of KP? What unearthly power do though poses?
A FLIGHT ANIMATION!
YES!
Indypotter1 I'm gonna assume that Mr Quill suffered the consequences of those actions and got out of the after life once again.
+MattTheKingg hi Gary Stu
He is quite literally a demon from the lowest levels of tartarus
At least I think he's from the lowest levels
1:52 OMG I LOVE THAT LOOK ON HER FACE SWAG MODE ACTIVATED
Sammie Rudd *clears throat* YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I think what you missed about Discord's power is this: He isn't like Q, he IS Q. He's almost the exact same character. He is very powerful, to the point that he can bend reality to his will. But that doesn't mean he's unbeatable. The Enterprise crew always managed to beat Q's challenges or solve the problems he created in their own way. So to have Q port over to Equestria wouldn't put a limit on his ability. It would just give him a new set of challenges. Discord knew he could exploit the ignorance of the Mane 6 to try and throw them off their game and get his way, but also winds up showing his own and losing because of it. In Star Trek, Q does the same thing. The first time he meets the Enterprise crew, he exploits their ignorance but suffers from his own form, and loses his challenge with Picard. Discord isn't supposed to be super powerful, becuase like Q, he's a well rounded character who knows how to have fun. But the trade off is that he's not good at being serious. He just does what he knows he can do best.
Same actor too
1:44: “Oh totally, I’m just trying to get a rise out of her.”
Why is that so hilarious to me? lol
Yeah, Twilight knows a disturbing number of spells that allow her to "assume direct control" and basically play God.
To the point that I'm convinced that if Twilight ever went full Nightmare Moon, Equestria is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkkkkked!
Oh-I-think-my-gun-could-solve-that.
***** **fires 50 cal. snoipah rifle** say something? oh shit, i forgot about what Fluttershy would do. ;_;' SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT HELP!!! **runs away then teleports (RD)** LOCKDOWN! **sends mansion into lockdown mode** phew.
Prince Aligorna Then the keyword for you is... "Elements of Insanity"!
I take it that's a fic? I have not come across it yet
HEY! KIDS WATCH THIS! NOT JUST ADULTS BOI!
John De Lancie told me that Discord was made from cloth.
When he gave me his autograph at NYComicCon 2014.
After KP said I know people, Discord shows up next to her. Priceless comedy.XD
Love the design of the Mag-U-Lator 3000. The horn is a whisk xD
Will Tannery the CIA will love that thing
9:48 ... Dat chase scene...
O.O... amazing.
6:06 I've been wondering this question too, but for a different reason: Discord controlled the sun and the moon in Return of Harmony. It took all of the alicorn magic in equestria for Twilight to do so, but Discord did it at will.
Silver, KP, and even a Digi cameo? It is time to give thanks indeed!
Great episode, you two. Insightful, thought-provoking, and darn entertaining to boot.
OMGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS MADE ME SO EXCITED WHEN I HEARD THE SONG "DISCORD" AND SEEING KP!!!!!!!!!! XD
Silver Quill vs. KP... 30 bits on KP.
I bet all my bits on silver quill
Over 9,000 bits on KP
I WILL BET ALL OF MY BITS ON SILVER QUILL Jane Delworth Rhiannon Adie
50K bits on KP!
All of mine on kp
Wasn't sure if you'd be up for this, but since I'm passionate about Twilight like ILoveKimPossibleALot is with Discord...how about a collab with me on Magical Mystery Cure?
there's the possibility that in the first two episodes discord merely made himself seem more powerful than he actually was, his powers may indeed have a limit and would like it that others do not know that
Except it's not just Discord. Celestia herself stated that even with her own and Luna's powers combined they were no match for Discord, only being able to defeat him by discovering the Elements of Harmony. This is further backed up when Discord steels those elements out of a magical vault that Celestia had thought impenetrable -- and yet somehow we are supposed to believe that in KC&FO she can suddenly cast a spell that stops him from steeling them a second time?
Furthermore, there is just how effortlessly Discord goes about the process of corrupting the M6, most notably Fluttershy. With each of the others he played head games first, but when Fluttershy lack of self-esteem proves too humble, he just gets fed up and whammies her anyway with only a single touch. Proving that he never had to play such head games in the first place and could have hexed all the others just as easily and called it a day.
Point being the fandom presumed Discords powers to be nigh-omnipotent because that's what everything about the way return of harmony was staged led us to believe. As such his powers come across feeling very watered down with no real explanation outside of contrived plot convenience.
Emeral Bookwise
I stopped thinking about power levels in FiM in the way DBZ treats them after Canterlot Wedding. It made Twilights Kingdom a lot easier to stomach ;)
Kyoko Kobayashi interestingly enough, the whole reason the creator introduced power levels in DBZ was to show how useless They were. also, Twilights Kingdom are some level was OVER 9000!!!!!
It's not really a DBZ thing, which attempted to actually quantify each character power with a numeric value, but rather just a comparative scale based on information the show itself gives us.
Celestia > Luna, but Nightmare Moon > Celestia, but EOH > Nightmare Moon
Likewise, Discord > Celestia+Luna, but EOH > Discord
Admittedly Twilight's Kingdom is kind of trouble spot, but that episode already lost most of its credulity the moment Celestia's supposed best plan is to "hide" all of the alicorn magic in Twilight on grounds that Tirek doesn't know about her, despite the fact that Discord is at this point allied with Tirek and could rat her out (which is basically exactly what happened).
Gungelion
You've proven they where not pointless. We got one of the (if not the) most used memes ever from them. :D
Jokes aside. You are right DBZ power levels where proven highly inaccurate and random a few chapters after being established.
My Equestrian world order kinda shattered when Chryssi overpowered Celly. Since then I just accepted the rule of plot convenience. Characters will always be as strong and have access to just the spells that the plot demands.
(like Twi suddenly being unable to teleport in Feeling Pinkie Keen)
Omg fav episode because kim is here omg and she looks more polished than normal!😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
My personal headcanon for how powerful discord is goes like so:
Discord is a very powerful magic user, but most of his strength comes from the power of suggestion. He's a manipulator, not an all-powerful demigod.
When he took away the mane six's magic/wings it was more of a suggestion that they no longer had them, than an actual theft of them. In that respect, I believe most of Discord's magic is a type of illusion, not an actual altering of the physical world. Again, he SUGGESTS that he's done something much larger than he actually has.
Firebrand looks so bored behind the table barricade.
It's like "Ugh, not this crap again."
Why don't they get a piece of land for Discord, one he can turn into a chaos-riddled theme park of hilarity. He could get total freedom to be as random as possible, and those that visited him could take part in the fun and then leave when they have had enough.
Also... when you're going from place to place... do you just keep the gas pedal floored? do you always ride a bike at full speed? I look at Discord using his powers like that, he uses them as he needs/wants to. does he always have to magic everything at full power? wouldn't that run him dry pretty fast?
This is confirmed in later episodes in case you didn’t know- he has his own pocket reality where he lives and he’s seen to suffer exhaustion after using his powers like crazy (although all we ever truly get is him whipping some sweat off his brow and going “whew” like he it’s nothing)
I like how Kim says DAMN YOU PLOT! 5:25 XD
"Do you not realize who's behind you?"
"Oh totally. I'm just trying to get a rise out of her."
"Are you crazy?!"
Discord's power is determined by plot convenience? Sounds about right. I've never seen a character go from OP to underwhelming to OP to just okay quite like him before.
Best Review-collab ever.
1:17 Silver Quill * WHAT ARE YOU DOING* And Silver Quill you just been roasted
Congrats on surviving a collab with KP. Tell me, do you fear our Alicorn ruler?
I fear no lone alcorn.
But I run away from all of them when I piss them off.
MLP-Silver-Quill Then I suggest you keep running. Just remember what she did to Firebrand.
MLP-Silver-Quill It would really interest me into knowing how real Digibrony was with that joke of not collaborating anymore because of explosions. That means no one can do major collaborations with that brony anymore?
I think he said he was done with the fandom as a whole
P. Fox For how long or to what extent? Everyone needs breaks now and then to be sure, especially the things we care the most about.
DeathGodRiku what alicorn you speaking of? Twicon? (lol)
KP though cute as all buck (was going to say hot as hell) She isn't an ali, but a peg.
There was a fic where Fluttershy being a giant manipulator was shown to be the worst idea she's ever had since she's also the only one that would often interact with Discord. In short Discord basically becomes AM and stops Fluttershy from ever bring able to die and turns her into a puppet that does and says whatever he wants. 'Twas a lovely read
Oh my god someone finally played the song Discord for the character discord I thought that the day would never come praise the lord
Silver Quill: The funniest MLP reviewer I've seen. XD
DISCORD I’M HOWLING AT THE MOON AND SLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUMMER AFTERNOON DISCORD WHAT EVER DID WE DO TO MAKE YOU TAKE OUR WORLD AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That conga line at the end felt like a "reformed" Discord move. I love it.
did anyone else notice in the beginning that when Discord stroked Twilight's chin, Twilight's horn was missing
That's from _The Return of Harmony_, after Discord had stolen the ponies' horns and wings.
+Tvc Creator celestia*
+Tvc Creator YOU SAID IT RANDOM CITIZEN
He turns the unicorns ans pegasi into earthponies for a prank maze
+MLP-Silver-Quill guy from other vid still owes you $2
BRONYS WILL LIVE TILL THE END OF TIME
I can understand how KP feels about Discord. Me and my friend Clarissa, have our favorite as Discord too. Every Discord episode is in our favorites.
It's all senpai Discord.
I always got the feeling that Discord's speciality was as much (or more) illusory mind-warping as physical reality-warping.. Like the elements being in the box when Celestia opened it, but invisible.
He wouldn't have to be _powerful_ to use it, just _clever_, which fits with his preference of visions and mind control.. and being drained easily by Tirek without Tirek using his powers.
7:23 to 7:43 That made me lose it, I'm still laughing!
9:27 - 9:59 : BEST. PART.
I was literally giggling too hard. XD
"Oh wow."
"What did he say?"
*shows him*
*faints*
I always kind of figured Celestia didn't bat an eye when they spoke to her like that because (1) she's patient and empathetic and, more importantly (2) using that patience and empathy, she knows how *insane* her plan sounds.
Awesome collab, Silver Quill! Personally, my thoughts on Keep Calm And Flutter On: what was the point? Even if you reform Discord in the episode, that doesn't excuse the chaos he causes in this episode, the vine invasion in Princess Twilight Sparkle and teaming up with Tirek in Twilight's Kingdom. Also, when Discord said the "Friendship Is Magic" line, I knew he was faking being reformed. I'm sorry, I want to like this episode. I really do. But there were so many things that didn't make sense.
I like to imagine everyone in Silver Quill's videos to be constantly on invisible hoverboards or something to explain the lack of walking animation when a character moves.
one problem, discord didn't actually manipulate rarity, he just made her think the rock was a huge diamond and let her own greed go from there.
everyone else he actually had to hypnotize/brainwash, what's that say about rarity's generosity?
I love the flying animation during the gobble chase scene half way through the video!
Is no one gonna talk about the scene where Discord's wings just kinda detach from his body during the scene where he skates next to Fluttershy? o-o
0:25 INK ROSE OMG
Out of curiosity, did you consider Celestia's reaction at the end is also because she knew of Tirek's escape by this time, and was hoping for Discord's reformation for dealing with him? I think that'd be some pretty good foreshadowing of future events.
I don't think that's the case or Celestia wouldn't have been surprised by her prophetic dream of Tirek in _Twilight's Kingdom_.
MLP-Silver-Quill Well I saw that more as Celestia horrified at Tirek's abominable act, or she was shocked that Tirek has finally regained enough power to start his magic-stealing spree? We don't really know how exactly, or how precise, her prophetic dreams work.
It's also possible Celestia planned to have Discord reformed because she had the prison cells checked after Cerberus' escape, don't want to panic anyone else, & secretly hoped to have him reformed as a magic-anomaly tracker to recapture Tirek.
+MLP-Silver-Quill he gone to bee that at comic con colorado
3:38 yeah everyone’s talking about that but not about them treating twilight like a celebrity and nit someone with actually power
2:44
Laughing.
So.
Hard.
Discord gets his power from native emotions and chaos. That all I wanted to say good night.
"Let's do this, Bird Guy."
9:53 do my eyes deceive me A FLYING ANIMATION
FLYING ANIMATIONS :D
9:10 This is creepy! A reforming spell. I would understand if she looked for a spell that would keep Discord in a house arrest. That would make sense. But a reformig spell. She was going to make Discord discorded.
That's the moral kids. If the bad guy brainwashes someone he is doing something unspeakably evil. If the good guys do that it's called reforming and is perfectly fine.
If that sounds familiar, it's because thats been the US politic for decades.
SHE SAID IT!!!!!!!! I KNEW FLUTTERCORD IS BEST SHIP!!!!!!! But if he makes me talk trash about Rob Paulson!? YOU GONNA BE MY BIRTHDAY DINNER PIGEON BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (My birthday is really close to Thanksgiving. Like. Stupid close.)
Dayum
KP and Rob Paulson are best Senpai's *sticks out toung playfully*
More like Silverquill
Say what? *eyes glow blood red*
You don't scare me
I feel like (given the stuff we've seen) Discord's magic works in a surprisingly specific way: 'Make something not this'. The 'this' being his choice; so the kitchen ware was 'make it not inanimate' thusly giving way for possible sentience. and with things being materialized; that's a 'make something not fake' set up. He might not have full power over his... well power! It gives (what i think is) a good explanation as to why he can seem all powerful yet not at all at the same time ^~^
Scar from The Lion King would totally win in a fight against Discord.
As two of my favorite reviewers watching you two together made my night.
Thank you for trolling KP so awesomely with that brainwash helmet
I make no comment on the fact that quite literally the expression on Silver Quill's face at the beginning when KP put the glasses on is perfect.
Discord is my favorite character on MLP. Yes, I did just say that. :)
(Following Up) KP Says god damn you Mr Anderson.
I do not know. Probably the Matrix.
And I didn't get KPs surprise reaction.
***** I think it's from a movie.
It is from the Matrix
@8:23"I'm going to focus on the angel abuse."
BEST. LINE. EVER!
Digie and KP, this video just got awesome
1:00 that's my favorite song and favorite brony combined yep
What rubbed Mage the wrong way in that prologue?
Anyway, best collab ever!
Love the team up, love the review, love the Digibrony Cameo. I just love it.
And I loved every minute of the angel abuse
the stare
poor angle buny
"becuase thats what friends do"
i love any fluttershy episodes and this one is up there all around
FLUTTERCORD IS MY FAVORITE SHIP AHHHHHHHHHHH❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😍😍😍😍😍😍
Gotta say, silver-quill is one of my favorite critic. His humor is awesome but it doesn't overtake the entire video. One day I shall make a pony, and I will be in one of his videos >:3...or not..Why do you have to crush my dreams like that? :
ALSO
Before We Go Any Further...
This My Favorite Episode You Better Tred Lightly Mister... I Know People *Discord Appears*
Celestia's task for her pupil Twilight reminds me of Dumbledore's Quest for Harry to get the memory from Slughorn in "The Half-Blood Prince". Celestia knows, that Twilight and her friends got the possibility (Fluttershy's friendship to Discord) to reform him, like Harry got the possibilty to remind Slughorn of his mother's braveness to get the memory. Reforming Spells on the one side, and Veritaserum on the other are no options cause Discord/Slughorn would be prepared and Celestia/Dumbledore could do it much easier if the option would be there.
9:52 A random blue floating line underneath the apple tree to the left, anyone else?
+Rainbow Pie
Huh....And here I thought only LittleshyFiM noticed that stuff....
Seeing it = tons of laughs and one of my favourites.
Thinking about it's details = eeeeeemmmmmm.
A WILD FLIGHT ANIMATION 9:52
What's the music playing for that?
This was the collab I was waiting for :D I love this!!
YAY Sliver-Quill finally has a flying animation that wasn't in a dream. did any notice?
Silver , never change you are awesome
Am I the only one who has absolutely no quandaries with the Mane 6s reformation spell due to the belief that Discord was a truly 100% evil tyrant in The return of harmony and feel that every time he is called a trickster or chaotically neutral it puts a dent in the incredibly powerful undertones and themes that gave The return of harmony such an epic feel - I.E "Luna and I saw how miserable life was for each pony so we rose up and defeated him." or how he discorded characters like Pinkie and RD just to mess with Celestia's attack plan - He was evil, plain and simple - When life is misery for the general population, it kind of makes sense for the heroic characters to say "To hell with free will - Possible eternal chaos and misery might make pony Jesus understand!" - And even then if you still think it's going too far, isn't it cool to see characters act strictly on their own morals and actions rather then the plot forcing them to do the "heroic" thing whatever that may be - Isn't Fluttershy already doing that?...actually no, she's using manipulation tied in with genuine affection - That's proper 3-dimentional character, no one is the good or the bad - Everyone is just ugly.
Great review both of you.
CrittersRule247 Well, I guess most people just see it as too forceful or sudden to be acceptable, the "reforming spell" will also seem to take away Discord's free will (although as stated in the video we don't really know how it works exactly) in total, even imprisoned, he still retained it, only prevented from exercising it.
This may stem from American culture that values freedom & free will above all else (in my limited understanding). Actually real-life already has some examples of "brainwashing", they're just a lot more gradual & subtle to be called out. Yet even then the reciever still retain free will whether they want to choose to accept the suggestions the giver applied or not.
This is my favorite review you've done that I have seen so far because it features my other favorite reviewer. I love how you and KP play off each other ^_^
Besides, who doesn't love a princess and Discord conga line
Oh KP ;just finished it) now you know how new analyst like me feel when you don't reply to our co-lab request. And dige, no co-labs, got it! ;) still crossing my finger for you, Silver, I actually have a good idea for a joke for you to use involving my autistic card
XD that look on firebrand face 😆 looking at sliverqill like ''really?''