The cords are short because they want you to sit on the floor and play, like when we were kids. But sitting on the floor at my age will tear my body apart!!
1:05:55 I think the public Nintendo event in Kansas City that Dan mentions could be the 1990 Nintendo World Championship tour. They toured 30 cities to get local winners to later compete in the finals and Kansas City was one of the cities.
Hey guys could we get a few more comments on how it's called a quick look but it's actually two hours, don't think we have enough. Obviously it's people who aren't familiar with Giant Bomb but holy shit it's like every other comment
DevinAK49 Yes, though if they did I would expect all of these to be on it, Super Mario World, The DKC Trilogy, ALLTP, Super Metroid, FF4 or 6, Secret of Mana, Megaman X, Kirby Super Star, Final Fight (even though 2 or 3 would be better than that weak port), and Contra 3. Though if they do make a Snes classic, they release should extent the controller length, or double the amount of games it can hold to 60.
jesusnthedaisychain Gamecube was basically a smash bros machine. Though I have fond memories of Sonic Adventure 2, even though I now recognize it to be terrible.
Great video and commentary, good combination for this. I am in between ages of Jeff and Dan. It's was a nice mix of stuff I'm not familiar with and stuff I remember. Cheers!
Hyperkin are bringing out controller lead extension cords. They are also bringing out conversion cables I believe to use original nes controllers on the mini.
Sprite flicker fixing is actually technically possible on most NES titles. The sprite list of the NES allows many more sprites than it can display on any given line, so the NES hardware alternates the display sprites that it will draw during sprite line prefetch in the hblank. Some games will still flicker because they do so in software, and some may glitch in other ways, but generally, an option would have been welcome - they merely needed to test which games work fine with a flicker fix and disable the feature for others in the game manifest. On the other hand, if they actually implemented cycle exact co-emulation of graphics IC and CPU, that might be a bit more difficult, traditional approach is per-line emulation.
They also screwed up by not including a shortcut button combo to exit a game and select another or access your savestates. If you are going to make an emulator based system you might as well add the things that make them worth using. So even if the controllers were 6ft you'd still have to get up to access other games and save states. It would have been so easy to add a B+A+START+SELECT to exit to the menu.
Anyone complaining about this being a two-hour long 'quick look,' let me put it into perspective: if you can manage to play and beat all 30 NES games featured in this video in under two hours, then you have the right to complain that this isn't a 'quick look.' Also, who complains about more content in a video? You should be happy there's such an in-depth look a a product like this available for free anytime you want to watch it.
That Nintendo Magic, i.e. 'how will they manage to fuck this up in a totally bizarre and unpredictable manner?' Answer, insanely short controller cables.
Excitebike you've got to use B to accelerate, but then lay off and use A to maintain at top speed. Basically you were driving in 1st gear the whole time.
19:42 The sound of that jumping/falling thing for my Apple II, which I think was ripped from Coleco, was mind-numbingly intense. You could probably use it as a lead for dubstep.
The ATgames Genesis lets you plug in a cartridge and original controllers. The portable version lets you load roms off an SD card. Sega does what Nintendon't.
Cats Man they allowed.carts, because the games included were garbage. the whole thing is garbage in fact. I bought both the portable and console.. the sound is garbage, the games are garbage (99%of them anyway) Sega should have oversaw the project...
DevinAK49 segaretro.org/Arcade_Ultimate#Using_an_SD_card I think there is another portable one that does not support SD cards, but there's so many I can't keep up.
I own several and they're great (unless you wanna rock some Red Zone) but none have saving until the new 2016 models. So playing any of the substantial games was awful. Can't wait until this year's models are cheap.
I could play this comfortably where I play my regular gaming but I wanted to set it up in my sitting room so my nephew could play it. Not possible with the ridiculously short controller cables and it also does not include a plug adapter. I have one luckily but if you don't, you can't play it out of the box.
My only issue with this thing is that they didn't include *all* games from the library or at least allowed the user to add them themselves to the console. Maybe the latter will be possible in the future once they pick that thing apart. It's a really cool thing despite some of the obvious flaws. Personally I think it's well worth the price mostly considering because this *is* a NINTENDO console and not a cheap no name knock off.
bubble bobble is the only one of these I don't have the original game for (that I want anyway) I still kinda want this thing. it would have been bad ass if they put it in a NES controller that hooked up straight to HDMI
Google tells me that the big Nintendo thing where he played Ninja Gaiden 3 before release (in Kansas City) must have been the 1990 Nintendo World Championships that passed through there (Bartle Hall).
Geremiah Benge Yeah, it was Nintendo World Championships 1990. I recall the thrill of playing Ninja Gaiden II (not III, as mentioned in this video) at the event as a kid before it came out.
Cool for the novelty but if you own a PC and dont already have a front end with some emulators and full romsets, then you should get on that. You can also get USB adapters and use the real console controllers and well as use CRT filters for the games.
The pie stage was left out of the NES version because of sprite hardware limitations. Too much sprite multiplexing would cause sprites to go invisible, especially on the same horizontal plane. Pies would become invisible and make the game too hard and buggy. There was a NES ROM released around 2012 on the wii with the pie stage. Possibly they fixed the sprite issue on the wii emulation but I don't know, I've never seen it.
I know, right?! I'm sitting 10' away from my TV which is also my only PC monitor, and i have no coffee table or anything... this thing would have to be laying in the middle of the floor in front of me! WTF
I"m reading that you can buy third party wireless controllers or an extension...its still a problem though cuz the only way to back out to the main menu is to hit the reset button on the console...another odd design choice
Two styles of play: Have the NES mini next to you because you want to fondle that reset button a lot. This means you need a really long HDMI and power cable. Since the console is next to you, the controller cord length doesnt matter. Playstyle 2 has you playing the same game for a longer amount of time. No need to hit that reset button every 5 minutes, so the console can sit under the tv or something. In that case you need a really long controller cord. What playstyle do you have? But also: whats cheaper? Extended HDMI and power cords, or an extended controller cord.
castelvania II is better if you sit down and really learn it. It has a very Zelda II vibe. need to get certain levels and items to progress. the hints are a little too cryptic and also the lack of a map make it difficult. but with resources on the internet or nintendo power and commitment the game is an over looked gem. it is just misunderstood. I would love for someone to make a remake and smooth out some issues that would make it much more "modern playable".
The cords are short because they want you to sit on the floor and play, like when we were kids. But sitting on the floor at my age will tear my body apart!!
"When was the last time you played Twillight Princess?"
"When I reviewed it."
lmao
1:05:55 I think the public Nintendo event in Kansas City that Dan mentions could be the 1990 Nintendo World Championship tour. They toured 30 cities to get local winners to later compete in the finals and Kansas City was one of the cities.
16:56 jeff: "i know the lyrics to this song" made me so happy
I enjoyed this review. You answered the questions I had about it and, it was fun to watch as well.
Great show! Thanks!
Hey guys could we get a few more comments on how it's called a quick look but it's actually two hours, don't think we have enough. Obviously it's people who aren't familiar with Giant Bomb but holy shit it's like every other comment
Oh no, I didn't mute Bubble Bobble and now I'm doomed to a week of its music being stuck in my head.
try 20yrs
Rather have a mini SNES.
I'd have a hard time narrowing it down to 30 for a snes classic. so many really great games.
DevinAK49 Yes, though if they did I would expect all of these to be on it, Super Mario World, The DKC Trilogy, ALLTP, Super Metroid, FF4 or 6, Secret of Mana, Megaman X, Kirby Super Star, Final Fight (even though 2 or 3 would be better than that weak port), and Contra 3. Though if they do make a Snes classic, they release should extent the controller length, or double the amount of games it can hold to 60.
Yes please. I'd probably pay above 100 bucks for that.
I bet if this sells really well, the SNES Classic will make its debut within a year or 2.
Then the N64 Classic
And that's it. Gamecube sucked.
jesusnthedaisychain Gamecube was basically a smash bros machine. Though I have fond memories of Sonic Adventure 2, even though I now recognize it to be terrible.
Fifteen Seconds into the two hours, Dan is already confused.
He's a national treasure.
Hearing Jeff talk about Final Fantasy X is one of my favorite things. #myoldman
Having Jeff and Dan talk about old games for nearly 2 hours is great.
😸😉😊😒👌👍
Great video and commentary, good combination for this. I am in between ages of Jeff and Dan. It's was a nice mix of stuff I'm not familiar with and stuff I remember. Cheers!
Hyperkin are bringing out controller lead extension cords. They are also bringing out conversion cables I believe to use original nes controllers on the mini.
Sprite flicker fixing is actually technically possible on most NES titles. The sprite list of the NES allows many more sprites than it can display on any given line, so the NES hardware alternates the display sprites that it will draw during sprite line prefetch in the hblank. Some games will still flicker because they do so in software, and some may glitch in other ways, but generally, an option would have been welcome - they merely needed to test which games work fine with a flicker fix and disable the feature for others in the game manifest. On the other hand, if they actually implemented cycle exact co-emulation of graphics IC and CPU, that might be a bit more difficult, traditional approach is per-line emulation.
If I wanted to buy another controller, where could I buy it?
A I. the same place you buy the console. There are a number of accessories available.
Oh Dan worked at Game Informer? I really appreciate them having an FFVI cover for the 200th issue. That was so cool.
Jeff and Peter Brown should go do their own thing. By far the most interesting conversations between the two.
* extended silence
"this thing is gonna sell alot..."
i lost it lol
poor dan right at the beginning - he was right and jeff was confused but dan got blamed anyway.
Jeff was right, actually.
Jeff was right, pretty funny good opening.
ElitistMagi listen to the wording. Dan was asking the correct thing but Jeff misheard him.
can you use the old nes controller? I need a longer cord
I just hope this does super well so they make a SNES version.
They killed it in this old review. A great example of Giant Bomb.
And gamespot too with Peter browns contribution
This little thing would be great to have on your desk at work. Maybe the reason for the small cord length?
they should make a tiny handheld gameboy classic
gba sp
For everyone who's confused by the quick look. A few minutes on each title is quick, finishing each game is long!
Actually, the stage with the changing wind in Ninja Gaiden was part II.
The cartridge hatch doesn't open!?! Where am I suppose to stash my weed?
great stash place.
In the back of your Playstation 2 like everybody else
Time to practice your sphincter's stretching capabilities
XD
Google made me do it Did google make you stretch your sphincter? Damn dude that'd hurt putting blunts up in there.
I didn't realise that FF was on this, that adds a lot of value there.
Dan - Nintendo held various events in cities for the Nintendo World Championship... one of those events was in Kansas City in 1990.
They also screwed up by not including a shortcut button combo to exit a game and select another or access your savestates. If you are going to make an emulator based system you might as well add the things that make them worth using.
So even if the controllers were 6ft you'd still have to get up to access other games and save states. It would have been so easy to add a B+A+START+SELECT to exit to the menu.
I'm with Jeff, some of those sound effects were the wrong pitch.
I thought the zelda enter cave sound was off.
Anyone complaining about this being a two-hour long 'quick look,' let me put it into perspective: if you can manage to play and beat all 30 NES games featured in this video in under two hours, then you have the right to complain that this isn't a 'quick look.'
Also, who complains about more content in a video? You should be happy there's such an in-depth look a a product like this available for free anytime you want to watch it.
Dude! I love Dr Mario, Yoshi's Cookie, and Tetris! I love puzzle gaming and the music for those games were always great.
I wonder if we'll get drivers. When I plugged it into my PC is showed up as "CLV-S-NESY"
That Nintendo Magic, i.e. 'how will they manage to fuck this up in a totally bizarre and unpredictable manner?' Answer, insanely short controller cables.
THANK YOU for opening the system up. I really wanted to see what it consisted of. +200 cool points!
I wish they would make a longer, more in depth version of this video.
I'm going to get one anyway, but I still wanted to see them check it out. Unlike other "flashback" devices, the emulation looks and sounds okay!
That intro pretty much sums up Giant Bomb's level of communication in one solid minute.
Excitebike you've got to use B to accelerate, but then lay off and use A to maintain at top speed. Basically you were driving in 1st gear the whole time.
I'm devastated they never even got past the intro to startropics.
1:06:00 The Ninja gaiden that came out in 1990 with the shifting wind and the train is ninja gaiden 2 not 3.
Is anyone else having trouble plugging the nes through a surround sound receiver? I can only get it to work when it directly plug into the tv.
I'll wait for the SNES Classic
seriously that's what I want, snes was the best video game console ever in my opinion. so many dope games came out on that system.
If the cords are as short you're going to need a tiny TV to play it on too.
Im preatty sure selling out in minutes in every store it came out in is pretty good...
I got this one, I'm sure they'll do the SNES for next Christmas!!!
Is 1 hour and 55 mins a quick look?
Old video games and old video game consoles are great
1:27:25 and later - I didn't understand the comment on Super Marios physics: does it mean it feels worse then the original on the NES Classic?
In all fairness, as a gamer myself, a quick look at a new console like this would also be about two hours....
I actually enjoyed watching this.
Double Dragon 2, Level 2 music sounds like 'Easy Lover' by Phil Collins
The Famicom version of Bubble Bobble had a different water graphic. It was a square stream iirc. Sadly the game will not appear on the Famicom Mini.
1:06:00 Dan was probably thinking about the Nintendo World Championship, which had a stop in Kansas City in 1990.
19:42 The sound of that jumping/falling thing for my Apple II, which I think was ripped from Coleco, was mind-numbingly intense. You could probably use it as a lead for dubstep.
now I still have two old TV with the yellow white red cables and there may not be a way to play the mini Nintendo classic that's sucks
Not having composite outputs seems pretty rough.
Can u insert a cartridge and play?
Just ordered mine 20min ago. So cant wait for tuesday!!
How to connect it to the TV
A Super Nintendo one of these will be amazing.
And it was.
Maybe Dan was at nintendo world championship in 1990, it went to Kansas City on its tour across the usa.
The ATgames Genesis lets you plug in a cartridge and original controllers. The portable version lets you load roms off an SD card. Sega does what Nintendon't.
Cats Man they allowed.carts, because the games included were garbage. the whole thing is garbage in fact. I bought both the portable and console.. the sound is garbage, the games are garbage (99%of them anyway) Sega should have oversaw the project...
Cats Man although I didn't know I could load games on the portable. I thought it had to be official or something.ill have to check that out
DevinAK49 segaretro.org/Arcade_Ultimate#Using_an_SD_card I think there is another portable one that does not support SD cards, but there's so many I can't keep up.
I own several and they're great (unless you wanna rock some Red Zone) but none have saving until the new 2016 models. So playing any of the substantial games was awful. Can't wait until this year's models are cheap.
I could play this comfortably where I play my regular gaming but I wanted to set it up in my sitting room so my nephew could play it. Not possible with the ridiculously short controller cables and it also does not include a plug adapter. I have one luckily but if you don't, you can't play it out of the box.
TheBeautifulGamer it has a wireless controller you can buy
SirFancySucksAtGames Really? got a link?
Hahah, man Jeff's FFX impression at 41:35 is spot on!
How long is the Mini NES's HDMI Cable?
My only issue with this thing is that they didn't include *all* games from the library or at least allowed the user to add them themselves to the console. Maybe the latter will be possible in the future once they pick that thing apart. It's a really cool thing despite some of the obvious flaws. Personally I think it's well worth the price mostly considering because this *is* a NINTENDO console and not a cheap no name knock off.
Oh no, the controller cable....That's a real shame. I sit pretty close to my tv and those controller cables are still too short.
In the TV show Mario gets his powers from the fire flower / leaf just by touching them, not by eating them. Pretty sure that's canon.
Wow, it looks really clean.
wow those controller cords are tiny. What's with that?
Whatever flicker they are seeing IRL is not present on the video out.
This is the quickest quick look in the short history of quick quick looks.
bubble bobble is the only one of these I don't have the original game for (that I want anyway)
I still kinda want this thing.
it would have been bad ass if they put it in a NES controller that hooked up straight to HDMI
Why the heck are those controller cords so damn short?
who's that guy that opened his ? seems cool
In classic Mario Bros theres a warp zone just go on top of the screen of the level you will find it.
I agree presses is good for jumping
we all have crt. why Pixel perfect mode?
Google tells me that the big Nintendo thing where he played Ninja Gaiden 3 before release (in Kansas City) must have been the 1990 Nintendo World Championships that passed through there (Bartle Hall).
Programentalist It was actually Ninja Gaiden II, but yeah that was the event.
I'm pretty sure it was the NWC you're mentioning.
Geremiah Benge Yeah, it was Nintendo World Championships 1990. I recall the thrill of playing Ninja Gaiden II (not III, as mentioned in this video) at the event as a kid before it came out.
the sound on bubble bobble sounds like crap. does it actually sound like that?
Cool for the novelty but if you own a PC and dont already have a front end with some emulators and full romsets, then you should get on that. You can also get USB adapters and use the real console controllers and well as use CRT filters for the games.
So.... you would be able to power it from a power bank?
Crackpot Cookiejar yep
I think yes. Why not and it's good idea
The entering s cave sound in Zelda sounds different.
There's this thing called Raspeberry Pi 3 that can run up to some PS1 games
The pie stage was left out of the NES version because of sprite hardware limitations. Too much sprite multiplexing would cause sprites to go invisible, especially on the same horizontal plane. Pies would become invisible and make the game too hard and buggy. There was a NES ROM released around 2012 on the wii with the pie stage. Possibly they fixed the sprite issue on the wii emulation but I don't know, I've never seen it.
They missed something huge under "Open Source Software". It's running on Red Hat Linux. Therefore, the file system might be hackable.
The lack of an expandable memory option is a bit of a misstep IMO
Nintendo also released play choice arcade
i believe you can use a wii pro controller.
"Is there any evidense of Mario eating meat?" Hrs a plumber, plumbers eat fried breakfasts, bacon sandwiches and burgers every day!
Commentary for Ninja Gaiden: You were at the Nintendo Powerfest '90. You weren't playing Ninja Gaiden 3, it was Ninja Gaiden 2.
Jeff's Seymour impression, holy shit
Clear, sharp, colorful, bright, beautiful - this is how NES games should have looked on Wii U Virtual Console. I'm STILL pissed about it.
the cable length is a deal breaker for me
I know, right?! I'm sitting 10' away from my TV which is also my only PC monitor, and i have no coffee table or anything... this thing would have to be laying in the middle of the floor in front of me! WTF
I"m reading that you can buy third party wireless controllers or an extension...its still a problem though cuz the only way to back out to the main menu is to hit the reset button on the console...another odd design choice
Two styles of play: Have the NES mini next to you because you want to fondle that reset button a lot. This means you need a really long HDMI and power cable. Since the console is next to you, the controller cord length doesnt matter. Playstyle 2 has you playing the same game for a longer amount of time. No need to hit that reset button every 5 minutes, so the console can sit under the tv or something. In that case you need a really long controller cord. What playstyle do you have? But also: whats cheaper? Extended HDMI and power cords, or an extended controller cord.
Oh damn, I had no idea that Mario Bros. was cooperative.
castelvania II is better if you sit down and really learn it. It has a very Zelda II vibe. need to get certain levels and items to progress. the hints are a little too cryptic and also the lack of a map make it difficult. but with resources on the internet or nintendo power and commitment the game is an over looked gem. it is just misunderstood. I would love for someone to make a remake and smooth out some issues that would make it much more "modern playable".
I cant believe they didn't put olympic hockey on there, or the first contra instead.
>quick look
>2 hours long
Ryan Moffitt i know im just havin a bit of a giggle 😘
barfyman362 wow thanks barfy, youre a cute lil thang and i wouldnt mind tossing your salad.
Is there any word about controller cord extensions? This is ridiculous.
Jestin Jund There are plentiful 3rd party options available
such a quick look, of course i can stay here for an hour real quick
Happy they included Super Mario Bros. 2 in this. Poor game got snubbed in Mario Maker, would have been cool to make levels for that.
Now show off the Classic Famicom!
If you thought the NES pads are too small I have a feeling you will not like this!