It depends on preset. Some presets on TI can't be recreated on B because of multi saw which B didn't have. I guess you know that and here are only presets without hypersaw. Ok. So overall it sound very similar but different. Some paths sounds completly different, some slightly different and some the same. "AutoBend BC" sounds the same but delay on Ti is slighty wider in stereo. "Devlish SV" sounds almost the same, there is slighty difference. On B sound is slighty more flat, slighty less bass. "Dyson+ BC" here is more difference, on B sound is more flat and almost like in mono compared to Ti. "Majority JS" for me is the same I don't hear any difference. "SmoothBs BC" on Ti sound is slightly more clean, also on the B there is slighty audible low res bith depth effect like sound was recorded through old sampler."Omnef RP" almost the same, Ti sound is very slighty more full. "Boingy HS" here sound is much different like resonance didn't match, more resonance on Ti and also sound is more flat on B. "DIS-BD RP" I don't hear any difference. "VR.78 2 RP" Sound is completly different like different tuning or different midi melody? Weird. "Chord-U RP" is little different. First difference is swapping channels. On Ti bassy sound is on the left and resonance arp on the right. On the B is opposite. Bassy sound is the same but resonance arp sounds like with different tuning.
They have already made a TI version, but they haven't released it because Access still sell the Virus TI2 (and from what I've been told, they still produce units).
sounds almost identical.. Virus Ti sounds a bit wider on the speakers here and a bit cleaner.. soo.. virus ti sounds better, but its the same sound tho.. just a different sound in stereo i would say
That would explain why there is this reported subjective experience of the Virus B being "warmer." I vastly prefer the Virus C or TI but to each their own.
I used the USB connection for the TI, to prevent the preamps in my audio interface altering the signal of the Virus TI. The USB audio in the TI sounds identical to the audio you get from the Ostirus emulator, thus I think this is a fair comparison even though I am comparing different models. If I had owned a hardware Virus B, I would've done what you suggested.
The Virus C and TI sound very similar to each other. You can watch this video to hear the TI against the Virus C (via DSP56300): th-cam.com/video/t8rfyPpAmlA/w-d-xo.html
Is it possible to do a null test on any of the patches if you remove EQ, reverb, set oscillator phase to 1 and stuff like that? I'm not at home and don't know why I didn't think of trying that earlier. There could be othe problems syncing the two audio files, I know Edison in FL sometimes has a hard time detecting audio even if the recording is set to "Now" instead of on audio mode. I've used disgustingly loud samples in the past in order to do some phase cancellation trickery with other sound material I have.
While this is interesting technically, it has not much to do with using the gear, less about making music with them. I think these examples show already that there are differences in the sounds, even though using compatible features (as far as I understood).
@@SamiJumppanen I personally make comparison videos purely out of being fascinated with sound and not so much from a musical perspective. I am not a musician so these comparisons I do should always be viewed purely for fun.
@@EyezerProductionz yes, to make it clear I didn't refer to your video, I like this video, but going further into detailed comparisons like nulling tests, which can be really valuable when evaluating DAW plugins (proofing false advertising etc) are something I just don't see worth the time with synths. I am interested in the differences anyway. One special area is the Yamaha FM synths. You'd think that the maths is well defined, and when sticking to the same number of operators you'd get the same sound, but no.
It depends on preset. Some presets on TI can't be recreated on B because of multi saw which B didn't have. I guess you know that and here are only presets without hypersaw. Ok. So overall it sound very similar but different. Some paths sounds completly different, some slightly different and some the same. "AutoBend BC" sounds the same but delay on Ti is slighty wider in stereo. "Devlish SV" sounds almost the same, there is slighty difference. On B sound is slighty more flat, slighty less bass. "Dyson+ BC" here is more difference, on B sound is more flat and almost like in mono compared to Ti. "Majority JS" for me is the same I don't hear any difference. "SmoothBs BC" on Ti sound is slightly more clean, also on the B there is slighty audible low res bith depth effect like sound was recorded through old sampler."Omnef RP" almost the same, Ti sound is very slighty more full. "Boingy HS" here sound is much different like resonance didn't match, more resonance on Ti and also sound is more flat on B. "DIS-BD RP" I don't hear any difference. "VR.78 2 RP" Sound is completly different like different tuning or different midi melody? Weird. "Chord-U RP" is little different. First difference is swapping channels. On Ti bassy sound is on the left and resonance arp on the right. On the B is opposite. Bassy sound is the same but resonance arp sounds like with different tuning.
Is „Omnef RP“ the Valve Signature Sound? 😄 2:19
I sample the crap out of my TI2 to EMU sampler.
If we could see you doing the test, it would be perfect. Sorry, I just can't rely on words written on a black screen.
Watch my first DSP56300 video then, although I used Virus C ROM for that one.
Question: How many of those patches were redone by using the TIs EQ when they were ported, given the Virus B doesn't have one?
None of the patches uses the EQ in the TI, most of the patches are original Virus B patches.
the hypersaw for me is the best part of the ti ...maybe someday they can make it good enough to emulate the ti hypersaw.
They have already made a TI version, but they haven't released it because Access still sell the Virus TI2 (and from what I've been told, they still produce units).
@@EyezerProductionz ahh i see .. and Access is still making them thats crazy.
@@EyezerProductionz Not any more :)
sounds almost identical.. Virus Ti sounds a bit wider on the speakers here and a bit cleaner.. soo.. virus ti sounds better, but its the same sound tho.. just a different sound in stereo i would say
That would explain why there is this reported subjective experience of the Virus B being "warmer." I vastly prefer the Virus C or TI but to each their own.
you have to record them both through the wires , ah ok the second one is vst emulator, also try to put them through the wires both too )
I used the USB connection for the TI, to prevent the preamps in my audio interface altering the signal of the Virus TI. The USB audio in the TI sounds identical to the audio you get from the Ostirus emulator, thus I think this is a fair comparison even though I am comparing different models. If I had owned a hardware Virus B, I would've done what you suggested.
quite different
Does anyone know if the Virus C sounds distinctly different from the Virus B and TI?
The Virus C and TI sound very similar to each other. You can watch this video to hear the TI against the Virus C (via DSP56300): th-cam.com/video/t8rfyPpAmlA/w-d-xo.html
Is it possible to do a null test on any of the patches if you remove EQ, reverb, set oscillator phase to 1 and stuff like that? I'm not at home and don't know why I didn't think of trying that earlier. There could be othe problems syncing the two audio files, I know Edison in FL sometimes has a hard time detecting audio even if the recording is set to "Now" instead of on audio mode. I've used disgustingly loud samples in the past in order to do some phase cancellation trickery with other sound material I have.
No idea, I am not familiar with this type of testing.
While this is interesting technically, it has not much to do with using the gear, less about making music with them. I think these examples show already that there are differences in the sounds, even though using compatible features (as far as I understood).
@@SamiJumppanen I personally make comparison videos purely out of being fascinated with sound and not so much from a musical perspective. I am not a musician so these comparisons I do should always be viewed purely for fun.
@@EyezerProductionz yes, to make it clear I didn't refer to your video, I like this video, but going further into detailed comparisons like nulling tests, which can be really valuable when evaluating DAW plugins (proofing false advertising etc) are something I just don't see worth the time with synths.
I am interested in the differences anyway. One special area is the Yamaha FM synths. You'd think that the maths is well defined, and when sticking to the same number of operators you'd get the same sound, but no.