Your video led to me buying a pair of these from Amazon shortly after I watched it. I need to report back that it works, and ridiculously well! And I use the "hold the record in your hand when you zap it" method. I turn it on and run it around the record a couple of time and keep it at least an inch from the record. I drag it away while it's still on and turn it off after it's a foot or more away. I don't know if that matters (it probably doesn't) but it's how I do it. Just yesterday I pulled out a record, and with our new clear and dry weather, It really made the hair on my arm stand up. I gave it a shot with the lighter, and it killed it all. No static.
Your description of the technique in moving the plasma lighter away from the record while still running sounds exactly like how I was taught to use a bulk tape eraser during my early days working in radio many moons ago.
@@ReasonablySane I remember our PD saying you should throw the tape reel in order to "snap" the magnetic flow to complete the erasing. I never could bring myself to do that.
I took a $5.99 chance on one (a RONXS), and am *really* pleased with the results! It's working well and conveniently by holding it steady about an inch above the spinning album and activating it twice-once about an inch in from the outer edge and once more closer to the label. I can't see any way these could damage vinyl if the tip isn't actually touching the album and you keep it moving. I had a ZeroStat many years ago and while they were never cheap they're now ridiculously priced for what they are, and I was never super impressed by mine. Glad I found this video and gave plasma-the unsung fourth state of matter-a shot. Thank you, Vinyl Attack!
From this and the previous video on static, it seems the most efficient way to eliminate static on a record is simply to lay it on a turntable which just gets rid of most static by itself
That may be. However, I've noticed that many records are quite charged with static when I go to flip to side B, or take them off to put them away. I've been using a carbon fiber brush with a finger on the spindle after each side is played just to try to reduce their charge in order to keep them from attracting dust.
@@michaellitscher9456 My records also do that, they can suck the felt mat out of the platter. But I don't have properly grounded wall sockets (that's what happens when you live in a commie block). The "ground" wire does go to a preamp, but that's just to avoid mains hum. When both devices share the same floating ground they won't have mains hum, but the static charges still won't be going anywhere. This indicates that I could benefit from adding a 1MΩ or so resistor from the ground contact to a radiator or something. Just DON'T connect it directly, especially if you have bad ground in wall sockets, as you can damage something. Did that to a tube radio once, and I actually managed to damage a vacuum tube. Not the filament, but the wire that connects the cathode to a pin. And it is normally hard to kill tubes in other way than damaging the filament. There can be half of mains voltage on neutral, and sometimes they did connect that to the "ground" pin insode "grounded" sockets to avoid having a third wire. Normally neutral is also connected to the actual ground somewhere, but where, it really depends. And also the Earth or buildings aren't an ideal conductor, so signals from far away will be at a diferent potential. The same can happen with things like cable TV coax.
Grounded it to the radiator with a 4MΩ resistor, and a record i tested it on does sound noticeably less crackly after the usual pass with a carbon brush. The mat still lifts out though. I might get a different one made of something else.
Wow bought one of these couple of weeks ago as cooker ignition playing up. Couldn't believe my eyes seeing you waving one about. Have got a zero stat but will use this as well. Cheers. 👍🏻
Oh I don't know about all that, I just really like records and hifi gear, and occassionally trying my hand at some pseudo-science. I appreciate the kind words though.
Loving the videos lately. You have a new subscriber, I’ll be sticking around. I love that you actually experiment and have a passion to give us true results
Great vid. I actually have some serious issues with static, especially in the winter. My records like to pickup my felt slip mat, it's awful! I was thinking of getting a ZEROSTAT-3 but maybe this option is just as good.
If you're looking to save money, this will indeed help in a pinch. You might also consider ditching the felt mat for a cork one (the ones I sell or not) as they'll produce much less static.
Hi Chris, I bought one of these based on your testing here. I really think this thing works. On static-filled LPs I can hear the discharge in the air, normally I don't hear much. I run it around the LP usually 2 or 3 times. Thanks for the very entertaining and informative videos. I would love to see you do a series on Phono stages from cheap to $1000 for both solid-state and vacuum-tube-based devices. Keep up the great work.
Great info. This could be a great option for those who can’t afford a Zero Stat, or for those who can’t afford one RIGHT NOW. I might pick one up. I’m still nervous though about using it on my actual records. I hardly have any filler in my collection. Every single record serves a purpose or tells a story. Anyway... You’re video is hilarious. Great writing, dude.
Chris...your finding of the static reading on the platter is consistent with what i have been telling all of the people that felt the Zerostat was not worth the money. i have been using the Zstat since it came out more than 30 years ago (mine is the original in white, not red or blue) when it was Discwasher that was marketing them. since that time, i acquired a red one from a friend. the plasma lighter trick is something i saw a while ago but never acted on it so THANKS for making this video and spelling out the products used. the static reader is out of the question at $500 for me but the approximately $11 for the RONXS is right in there. now, what i have been advising my friends when using the Zstat is not to use it prior to playing the record but instead, use it on the LP AFTER play and before placing into the sleeves. this is to circumvent the attraction of dust onto the vinyl while it rests in the jacket. theoretically, the dust will be easier to remove with a carbon fiber brush such as the AQ. i use my old radio shack brush which has finer carbon fibers, like the original Decca Brush of about 30-40 years ago. it is still in good shape, the bristles arent curled from too much pressure. These brushes are only effective if the tips of the fibers are lightly applied for 2-3 revolutions of the platter after which i always brush them off to the outside. fortunately, i am left-handed so using the brush with my left isn't awkward as if i were right-handed. i will be recommending my fellow vinyl addicts to watch this YT. ...hifitommy
Using any static treatment on the platter is useless, unfortunately. The static that has come from the record originally simply bleeds off into the turntable, and then comes right back as you lift the record. Treating the record for static before play has shown the best results.
Great video, Ive been trying to decide which route to take for antistatic. I will definitely give this a try. Your delivery, knowledge and general likeability have made you my favorite vinyl channel.
I just purchased a candle lighter of a similar design. It doesn't have the gooseneck, just a straight shaft. It is excellent at removing static. I have been keeping it a half inch from the surface of record while it’s spinning on the turntable and draw it from the center outward twice. If the record has high static, you can really hear the arc buzz on the first swipe. It diminishes on the second swipe, almost like it’s eating the static. I'm very impressed with the results.
I'm a welding inspector and we use various methods to demagnetize the steel when it holds too much residual magnetism. All non magnetic materials have a randomly orientated atomic structure while static and magnetized materials have aligned dipoles (orientated in one linear direction) within the atomic structure of atoms and electrons. The process of demagnetizing a material like steel or vinyl, essentially, is to return the atomic structure back to its original randomly orientated state (all mixed up). I haven't tried this method of removing static from vinyl yet - but I'm gonna! BUT I would suggest trying not a circular singular directional motion (around the record) but a zig zag motion across the record probably in both axis, then pulling the lighter away slowly while still engaged. The zig zag motion will help the atomic structure dis-align itself into a randomly orientated state thus removing the static. Pulling away slowly will help the atoms settle easier into their new orientation. Side Note: I actual purposely induce a heavy static field into my records (Used and New) when cleaning them for the first time, then de-static them with absolute amazing results 99% of the time - I can remove cat hair or dust from any piece in my collection with a light breathe. I'll be trying this plasma lighter method though for some of my newer LPs that have a weird chemical composition and that hold static like its their dying baby.
A length of light paper like toilet paper hanging down can gauge the static of the album. I've found that any brushing of the vinyl including those "antistat" carbon fiber brushes or the ones on their own arm adds static. Playing the album adds a little from the stylus. A dirty stylus will add more. The Milty Zerostat works. My preferred method of removing dust is a silicon roller but those also add static. So my current sequence is hold the album and roll and then do the gun. Before putting the album back hit again with the gun. The biggest problem with this is holding the album while rolling. It's a little awkward. Using a brush might be easier since you don't have to push on the surface like with the roller. Using the roller or brush while the album will add static but then hitting it with the gun will not remove it. Have to take the album off and hold.
Great video, and an AWESOME shirt. Long live DT! Similar to your top 5 under $500 turntables, I'd love to see the same thing for speakers. Thanks for the knowledge!
I find your episodes very interesting and useful,also really liking your channel,quietly following you for a few weeks now and am intrigued every time I watch you..great job!
picked one up from eBay, used it for two cycles in hand (ungrounded so the charge has nowhere to go) and it made an enormous difference to one of my quieter LP's, thanks!
Was going to get the Zero Stat as I seem to have so much static that the record is taking the slipmat along with it when turning the record over. I then stumbled across this. Gonna see if that makes a difference and take it from there. Love the videos. Thank you!
This is fascinating! I do wish that I'd found this vid before buying a Furutech Destat 3 (OUCH!) , but I really should have known as I used the original zerostat back in the 70's (much to the amusement of my skeptical buddy's) and it was only a piezo device Making my way through your older vids and just found your shop. Gonna be some cow merch under the tree this year! Thank you for making these, I know how much time and effort can go into editing.
Thanks for this tip. I bought one and did my own test, with a plastic bag. I charged the plastic bag by rubbing on my hair, stuck it to the wall to prove the charge was there because it stuck with good force. Then I did the same thing only "zapped" it after charging it and it would not stick to the wall at all. So I use it on my records now, I zap them in my hand both sides before playing. My wife asked me if it sounds better now, well if I tell myself it sounds better then it does, :) Anyway, I'm quite sure the static is less by using this and it was only $15.
Interesting findings! My question is if the records read so low when placed on the turntable and there's very little change when conducting the experiment while placed on the turntable, how about just reading in hand then on the turntable? It seems like that might be eliminating the majority of the static and therefore negating the need for a static reduction device at all. Or am I missing something?
I would think! I wish he had my setup, where I can hear the crackling of static in the air as I lift my record off the platter sometimes! Which is why I'm here watching this. Perhaps the solution for the testing is to insulate the record at the spindle with some rubber or plastic or something if possible, because it's that metal spindle not the felt mat that's conducting I'm sure. If it were the mat, switch to cork, and check.
@@michaelbliss3337 Do you live in a hot and dry climate? I could imagine that static is an issue in a place like Nevada, where it is really dry. I wonder if lightly misting the room with a spray may reduce the static. I live in the U.K., where we have lots of moisture in the air, but I’ve always wondered whether an earthing/grounding mat under the turntable could make a difference
@@michaelbliss3337 I used to get that problem until I connected a separate earth cable to my setup. Now I have a cable that connects directly to earth as well as the earth between preamp and deck.
I'll give that a go in my own time and see what I get. Thanks very much for the idea, it was a lot of fun! Shoot me an email at thevinylattack@gmail.com when you have a quick minute.
Just stumbled across your channel earlier today. Now subscribed here in the UK. I was intrigued simply because I've used one of these usb plasma lighters for a couple of months. They really do work! Good to see some empirical evidence! I use a slightly different technique to yourself in that I use it when the record is spinning on the platter. Two or three discharges from centre to outer edge. Certainly works for me. Any chance you can measure the other side of the record when you've initially discharged the static on the first side? Good presentation style btw!
This is one of the best reviews, very scientifically done and I thank you for your review! BTW. I had to Shazam all of the songs because I love your taste in music! Haha
I was very surprised at the readings on the table vs the readings you got in-hand. I didn't think that the turntable grounding strap would have that much affect on the elimination of static charge but it definitely seems to do just that. Last week, I tried my 1986 era Discwasher version of the Zerostat and I think it must be broken as I could only get it to click one time when pulling the trigger and it would not click at all when releasing it. As a result, I could watch the dust get attracted to the vinyl in a matter of seconds - like it was snowing on my record... evidence that the Zerostat needs to be used (and needs to be operating correctly) in the manner originally intended. Something I doubt most owners do. This product you just tested seems to do much the same, seems to be practically fool proof, and much, much less expensive. Thanks for the heads up. Congrats on the 3k subscribers (now) too!
The strap really didn't do anything. I wore it to appease the masses, but from my last test to this one, the numbers were consistent. I'm glad you found some use in the video though :-)
You'll probably hit 4K this week - including me! I live in the mountains, a semi-arid climate, where the static issue is a huge one all year round. I'm happy to try ANY (inexpensive) novel method to reduce it. Thanks for the vid!
WOW that is an interesting result!!! Thanks for the thorough testing. I have been looking for a low cost way to reduce static this looks like a winner, not quite as good as the Zero stat 3 but 10% of the cost with 80% of the results is good enough for me DEFINITELY better than nothing
@@thevinylattack For SURE, BTW at one point I found a video years back where the host had mention the Zero Stat and said that he had found a cheaper alternative and it was some kind of industrial tool that was almost identical and was used to remove static but it was not AUDIOPHILE so the price was less than half the Zero Stat but for the life of me I CAN NOT remember what it was called
Quite amazing that this works. Will have to look for one of these lighters and try it out. Love your channel and congratulations on getting so many subscribers - well deserved!
I'd say it's the same as you mentioned it - the turntable is grounded, so it pulls the maximum amount of static possible. I usually just put the lp on the platter, start the rotation, go with the carbon fiber brush to pic the dust if any, and "remove the static". Works for me. Maybe you could do the same episode using the brush and your gadgets to see what's happening?
Well I just ordered one it definitely seems to eliminate static and also good to light candles. The handheld test you did made a big difference. I will update once I try it. Thanks keep"em coming. I believe most of the tests you did with the milty were hand held.
I was considering buying a zerostat. Was also looking for a refillable lighter for candles.Looks like I just killed two birds with one stone and saved $100. Thank you!
I’ve been using time consuming deionized water rinses to get very noticeable reduction in static cracking - this seems very interesting a prospect! The only thing I’m missing is sound comparisons of the lead in grooves before and after :)
When you place a record in the platter the charges inside the dielectric record material move to the side that is in contact with the platter it is like a capacitor, that is why less charge remains in the play surface. When you lift the record from the platter the charges will redistribute inside the record again restoring the static charge level in both sides of the record. This can actually be felt when lifting a record with a lot of charge it will crackle and you can feel it is pulling the mat and you can actually see dust particles being attracted to the record surface. Always discharge the record off the turntable so the charges will bleed off into the air. A well grounded metal platter and conductive mat will help bleed off the charges from the record too.
I have tried different methods to get rid of static on my vinyl records. The Milti Zerostat 3 gun has been very unfulfilling. A good wet wash with TergiKleen has been my best tool. New tool to get rid of static I just tried is "brilliant". Why didn't I think of that (I have 2 degrees in Engineering)? The Hudson HiFi Company has come out with a Anti-Static Dust Brush that mounts on an arm that tracks across your record as you play it. The brush is connected to the ground wire on the back of your turntable. So if it works, it works for me, it drains the static to ground as you play the record. Brilliant.
Thanks for great video. After watching several of these videos about static . I came to conclusion static on a record not as big a problem as everyone use to make ot out to be. Needless to say i still picked up couple different of the things you tested just incase lol.
Interesting❗To prevent "burning" a record, could some kind of addition to the tip be used to prevent that,vand still keep it's function❓ Just something entered my mind 🤔
Most static on the record happens when the stylus is already causing friction on the record. The friction accumulates static hence why clips and pops start to appear and stick on the grooves. I was wondering if the testings can be made while a record is playing in the beginning, middle, and end of a reproduction. Congrats on the subscriptions! You put more effort in your videos that it looks effortless , hence why your channel is entertaining to watch. Also you testing stuff on records is always a great way to discover how to improve our vinyl experience, and that is priceless. Oh, btw. There is a viral video where some guy recommends to apply WD 40 on the record's surface with a cloth (microfiber cloth I suppose) after cleaning them to eliminate pops and clicks. Apparently the WD 40 also improves the quality of sound of the record. I'm curious if WD 40 does not have a chemical negative abrasive effect on the vinyl like alcohol has. Also I wonder if the Hudson anti static brush arm is as effective. Unfortunately, that product is not easy to get where I live.
I’ve heard that WD-40 can sound great short term but long term it pulls moisture out of the vinyl and causes miniature cracks. Possibly due to it being petroleum based? Probably similar ish to how petroleum based headlight cleaning products look and work great but soon haze over.
It would be interesting to compare readings between felt mat, cork mat and acrylic mat. There is supposedly this huge amount of static discharge between mat materials.
Did you ever test the different platter mat materials? I'm very curious to know how they handle static, or if they do. Especially curious about carbon fiber felt vs "regular" carbon fiber.
WOW I as of watching this video had a zerostat in my amazon cart and its 149 Canadian was watching some videos see if I really want to spend that much come across your video and seeing how many in comments say this candle lighter works I now have one that is preparing for shipment at a cost 12.99 Canadian fingers crossed it works but deff worth that little of a risk thankyou for this video
You should try a very simple test. First, hold the record in your hand and take the measurements. Then do nothing but put the record on the turntable and take the measurements again.
I agree. That would be the control test that any experiment should include. In this case, it’s possible the static dissipates naturally, or it could be getting grounded by simply holding the album.
Love the humour and well done on the growth of your channel. I wonder if placing the mat on a desk and then the record on the mat would give a more accurate reading. Hope you aren’t offended by me saying that, it is all in the interest of science 🙂
Not offended at all. I like to hear new ideas. I think I like the 'real world' scenario I have now, but that may change if I continue with other tests.
Hi. The candle lighters do work. I ran the same tests that you did, had much the same results. However the difference i did is that i disconnected the earth wire from the turntable so that the spindle could not drain the static to earth. the static meter results were much same as holding it in hand and the reduction was the same as the hand held. I also tested the Zerostat against the candle lighter and the figures were much same. ....enjoy the music.....
Great video again! Someone on Stereonet Australia posted about this product and swore it was more effective than his Zerostat....so I got one for $8.95 on ebay. I hold it about an inch above the LP, while on the platter and zig-zag it from outer to inner for 3 revolutions. I have a leather (suede) platter mat. Now I don't seem to have had a lot of static issues in the past but I use it anyway and it seems to work ok.....but I can't really tell for sure and maybe it just makes me feel better!😉
Hi Chris - I have just this moment come back from Bunnings Warehouse here in Australia with an arc lighter after seeing this video. I have a feeling arc lighters are rarer in Australia than in America, because I have been to multiple hardware stores without finding one. I think I found a winner - a welding torch arc lighter with a really cool design. It looks like a Zippo designed by Darth Vader!! I think there's a cool factor in its design all right. Also, it has a USB charger (as yours does); I don't know if those 1970s static pistols were even rechargable.
After three weeks, let me tell you; the arc lighter seems to work. I have no static testing device but I use feathers and bits of dust to see if they stick. I have had records so bad they crackled when I stuck the feather to the surface; the lighter does seem to eliminate the static very effectively.
You mentioned replacing a felt mat for a cork one to reduce static. I have a Marantz TT-15S1 with an acrylic platter. Would it be best to use no may at all?
Just watched your vid. Think you covered all testing bases without actually being in a lab! 😁👍 Decided to order one on this basis (10 times less than the little blue gun thing!). I'll comment back in a few days to let you know how I got on. P.S.... I have found that the newer 180g pressing seem to hold more charge than the older, lighter/thinner vinyl. I have more problems with brand new records even whilst using anti-static sleeves... I wonder, has anyone else noticed this and is it (probably very obviously) because there is more plastic there to hold a bigger charge?
Ordered one. Figure I can use it to light candles if it doesn't do anything for static, although, it appears that it does. Can you do an A/B test with the ZeroStat?
I recently bought a bipolar ion generator that takes a 12vdc input and a AAx8 battery pack box with power switch. It seems to maybe do the same thing for about the same amount of money but doesn't produce a spark. One thing I would have like to have seen is a measurement of an album on the table after using the plasma torch in hand. It would be interesting to know if the static charge lowered even more or if the charge became greater again. Then maybe test again once album is pulled from table. My hypothesis is that the charge will go back up because the record will be giving up electrons and therefore a higher negative static charge will be the result. Have you used one of the Thunderon brushes that is being sold by Sleeve City? I have been tempted to buy one but I really do not see how it will conduct a charge unless it is connected to an earth ground by a copper wire since the human body is a pretty crappy conductor.
I haven't used one of those brushes, but I might pick one up to see how effective it is. It seems the fine hairs might be better at removing dust if nothing else.
I just ordered a plasma lighter on amazon a minute ago after watching this video. wish me luck! i have some LP with static that I want to listen them a bit clean and clear... finger crossed!
@@thevinylattack sure, I'll test it tomorrow and let you know. even though it doesn't work, I really like your videos, and your t-shirts!!!! love the bands you like =) good content my friend.
I have not read all the responses to the video. You asked why just putting the disc on to the platter reduces the static charge number. I have read that it is fine by design. The tt old and new, generally speaking is grounded. This helps to equalize the charge or reduce it in this case. The tt that have a wall wart, runs on low current DC doesn’t require grounding at all. What do you think about this conclusion Chris?
The static bleed off into the table isn't a good thing. It can affect the sensitive electronics inside. This is why treating a record before play is crucial.
@@thevinylattack Thanks Chris, sorry for my poor language/writing skills, I don’t often correct my grammar and spelling. So my understanding about static imbalance which is somehow adjusted when the album is measured on the platter, would be a good thing because the charge is closer to a zero value when measured. I think it occurs by design of the engineers/technical team to reduce static noise. You state that it isn’t necessarily a good thing because it affects sensitive parts in the turntable? Or it affects sensitive parts within the preamplifier? Can you be a little more concrete about your viewpoint and that because I’m trying to understand the concept of static noise or imbalance and how it affects sound quality. Thank you.
I live in SoCal and the humidity in my room is always 25%-45%, and I have a carpet, so it's static galore. Just ordered the arc lighter off Amazon since it's only $10, hopefully it's the end all solution. I also ordered an Ortofon carbon fiber brush off the advice of one user in the arc lighter thread, as my current Audioquest brush clone actually increases static. Also, nice Technics turntable! I'm buying a fully automatic D303 variant tomorrow that's been caringly maintained since the 80s and is in pristine condition. I might also modify a cork mat to fit the autodetect mechanism for extra anti-static properties.
Aw man! I commented days ago and I think it got taken down 🙄 I was saying that I found an improved version of the lighter technique you used in this video (btw loving your channel so far). I won’t post the link again cause I think that’s why it got flagged, but what it does is it also uses an electric piezo lighter but you modify it with a needle to give the lighter a fine focus point, essentially recreating an anti static gun. I’m working on hacking one myself now. Let me know if you’re interested, maybe you can make another video out of it. Cheers my friend, congrats on your channel’s success thus far 😎😊👍🏼
@@thevinylattack I’d love to, except I don’t have any real way to measure it’s efficiency. I can only test it using packing foam, loose tape or paper, lol. I unfortunately do not have an electrostatic reader 😕 I was wondering if you were interested in testing it as well for your channel, except I have no idea how to send you the link with out triggering the algorithm overlords
@@thevinylattack Thanks my friend, I just wanted to spread the info to the vinyl community if it indeed turns out to be a reliable hack👍🏼 Keep doing what you’re doing bud, you have a fantastic channel and I hope it grows beyond your wildest dreams!!! 😎👍🏼
@@marcopolov673 Hey, thanks for the support. I'm always up for listening to new ideas and products, so if you find something and TH-cam won't let you post it please feel free to email me.
@@thevinylattack It's white, and still works. When I bought it back then the "instructions" were to squeeze slowly, release slowly, then squeeze slowly once again and then point the Zerostat away from the record so that the last emission to the record was positively charged. Maybe your static detector can clear up the whole question of positive versus negative streams coming out of your Zerostat.
Hi, First off, one should not use this plazma nor the Zero stat anywhere near the turntable's head. This is a very sensitive device. Secondly, the procedure, as far as I have gathered, is to wave the wand above the entire surface of the record to get best results. Lastly, when you read the patent for the Zero Stat it actually states that this device is a piezoelectric device (as in cigarette lighters) and the patent is ONLY for the trigger mechanism itself. Hence no wonder that this works. Thanks for the video. BTW, there were a number of small mistakes that I have seen in your video but it would not influence the results that were quite conclusive. Again thanks for the video
Is anyone interested in seeing some phono cartridge reviews or shoot outs in the $100-600 range? PS I dig this channel. I thank you for creating content I enjoy.
I love my Milty. I would caution people to make sure you don’t use it too close to your cartridge. In my experience can cause damage. Love the channel!
Very nice. Does not seem to be better than a Zerostat, which since I have one, I'll stick with. As an aside, anyone using a cart with a Shure stabilizer brush, should have no static issues, as one of the virtues of said brush, is that it effectively eliminates static.
OK, an update on how well the arc lighter works: The RONXS (?) unit from Amazon is the one I got - overall results are shockingly effective. The battery seems to last for at least 30 de-static cycles (or 15 LPs), probably even longer if the bursts are short. Doing a cycle on a spinning turntable DOES NOT work for me - 0 impact to static. What DOES work is holding the record in my hand (touching the label) and doing a single 2 second discharge around the LP at a height of 2-3 inches. This KILLS all static, so I do this after brushing the record and before playing it - once per side. I tried to use it for its intended purpose but regular flame lighters are probably faster - it took a good 10 seconds to light a leaf on fire. As for the Ortofon brush that was recommended, whoever put that suggestion in must live in some place where the humidity around 45-50% instead of 20% every day like here in LA. Although the user claimed that this brush dissipates static, in my environment it actually builds static (just like my Audioquest clone). It's still an excellent brush, better suited to the "tilt and lift" style of cleaning rather than the "pull off sideways" style that Audioquest brushes seem to prefer. The bristles are stiffer than most brushes (won't cause damage), so it's also better for manual spot sweeping. I'm not even gonna bother with stuff like metal record weights or cork/leather mats because in dry climates, only the most brute force solutions like sweeping with a plasma arc seem to work. Or using a humidifier to turn my room into a Louisiana swamp so it's physically impossible to build static.
@@thevinylattack I was about to bite the bullet and buy a Zerostat until I decided to do some more research and learned that it was just a modified piezo lighter. I have no idea why they’re so overpriced - apparently there used to be competing anti static guns, but Zerostat outlived everything else and seems to have a monopoly.
Call me crazy, but would the reason for the reduction in static when on the table have anything to do with the metal spindle plus the table being grounded?
While I'm not 100% certain, I'm going with no. The spindle itself isn't grounded as the table isn't grounded. Just the outboard electronics have the ground connection.
@The Vinyl Attack! a lot of the carbon brushes say you need the body of the brush to touch the spindle in order to dissapate any charge accumulated when dragging across the record.
Ok..try this.. take measurements after holding in your hand and using the little gizmo. Then place lp on TT and measure again. If the number drop even more.. then you’ll know the TT is hvi g an effect
Hi there I have just bought one, I have managed to get one for under six pounds so I will give it a try. I will let you know what my results are who knows it mite just work, and as you sed I can always use it to lite a candle 😂😂😂😂ps well dun on the grounding issue
Hey Chris interesting as usual always wondered something maybe this is something that might be interesting for the channel I always use a zerostat before I place the record on the platter I play side one when the side is over I flip the record it definitely seems like there’s more static after playing side one wondering if that always happens or if that’s just my set up in my house that might be an interesting subject I don’t know just a thought anyways great video have a good one🇺🇸👍
Tried the lighter, I can hear the static coming off the vinyl, also when degaussing the vinyl there is also a strong Oder of ozone.. I do use a acrylic platter and use the lighter on the vinyl while on the platter. Is this normal?, also since I can hear the static coming off I concentrate more in the areas that are more sound reactive not in circles
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This is quickly becoming my new favorite vinyl channel and the thoughtful comment sections in the videos are the best.
Wow, thank you!
Your video led to me buying a pair of these from Amazon shortly after I watched it. I need to report back that it works, and ridiculously well! And I use the "hold the record in your hand when you zap it" method. I turn it on and run it around the record a couple of time and keep it at least an inch from the record. I drag it away while it's still on and turn it off after it's a foot or more away. I don't know if that matters (it probably doesn't) but it's how I do it.
Just yesterday I pulled out a record, and with our new clear and dry weather, It really made the hair on my arm stand up. I gave it a shot with the lighter, and it killed it all. No static.
Your description of the technique in moving the plasma lighter away from the record while still running sounds exactly like how I was taught to use a bulk tape eraser during my early days working in radio many moons ago.
@@innergeek yeah, that's kind of where I got it from. It might be bologna, but it's what I'm used to. 😁
@@ReasonablySane I remember our PD saying you should throw the tape reel in order to "snap" the magnetic flow to complete the erasing. I never could bring myself to do that.
Did it work for you?
I took a $5.99 chance on one (a RONXS), and am *really* pleased with the results! It's working well and conveniently by holding it steady about an inch above the spinning album and activating it twice-once about an inch in from the outer edge and once more closer to the label. I can't see any way these could damage vinyl if the tip isn't actually touching the album and you keep it moving.
I had a ZeroStat many years ago and while they were never cheap they're now ridiculously priced for what they are, and I was never super impressed by mine. Glad I found this video and gave plasma-the unsung fourth state of matter-a shot. Thank you, Vinyl Attack!
You might try using the lighter while holding the record instead of spinning it. The result will improve. I'm glad you like the video.
From this and the previous video on static, it seems the most efficient way to eliminate static on a record is simply to lay it on a turntable which just gets rid of most static by itself
It sure seems that way.
As someone who’s been using acrylic mat recently: it ain’t that simple
That may be. However, I've noticed that many records are quite charged with static when I go to flip to side B, or take them off to put them away. I've been using a carbon fiber brush with a finger on the spindle after each side is played just to try to reduce their charge in order to keep them from attracting dust.
@@michaellitscher9456 My records also do that, they can suck the felt mat out of the platter. But I don't have properly grounded wall sockets (that's what happens when you live in a commie block). The "ground" wire does go to a preamp, but that's just to avoid mains hum. When both devices share the same floating ground they won't have mains hum, but the static charges still won't be going anywhere. This indicates that I could benefit from adding a 1MΩ or so resistor from the ground contact to a radiator or something. Just DON'T connect it directly, especially if you have bad ground in wall sockets, as you can damage something. Did that to a tube radio once, and I actually managed to damage a vacuum tube. Not the filament, but the wire that connects the cathode to a pin. And it is normally hard to kill tubes in other way than damaging the filament. There can be half of mains voltage on neutral, and sometimes they did connect that to the "ground" pin insode "grounded" sockets to avoid having a third wire. Normally neutral is also connected to the actual ground somewhere, but where, it really depends. And also the Earth or buildings aren't an ideal conductor, so signals from far away will be at a diferent potential. The same can happen with things like cable TV coax.
Grounded it to the radiator with a 4MΩ resistor, and a record i tested it on does sound noticeably less crackly after the usual pass with a carbon brush. The mat still lifts out though. I might get a different one made of something else.
Wow bought one of these couple of weeks ago as cooker ignition playing up. Couldn't believe my eyes seeing you waving one about. Have got a zero stat but will use this as well. Cheers. 👍🏻
Dimebag!!! 🤘🏻🙂🤘🏻 I came here after a recent Channel 33rpm video. I’m glad I did, really liking the content.
Awesome! Thank you!
Woof. What a production. Lots of info, consicly delivered, right now. We have a new hifi guru. Really very nicely done. Bravo!!
Oh I don't know about all that, I just really like records and hifi gear, and occassionally trying my hand at some pseudo-science. I appreciate the kind words though.
Hi, I find your videos fascinating, thank you. I will be suggesting you to all my vinyl playing buddies!
I very much appreciate that.
Great heartfelt closing comments. This is why I subscribed.
Thanks. Comments like these are why I want to do videos.
Loving the videos lately. You have a new subscriber, I’ll be sticking around. I love that you actually experiment and have a passion to give us true results
I'm glad you enjoy the them.
Bought one to try myself. Was blown away by how well it discharges static.
I'm glad to hear it!
Great vid. I actually have some serious issues with static, especially in the winter. My records like to pickup my felt slip mat, it's awful! I was thinking of getting a ZEROSTAT-3 but maybe this option is just as good.
If you're looking to save money, this will indeed help in a pinch. You might also consider ditching the felt mat for a cork one (the ones I sell or not) as they'll produce much less static.
Hi Chris, I bought one of these based on your testing here. I really think this thing works. On static-filled LPs I can hear the discharge in the air, normally I don't hear much. I run it around the LP usually 2 or 3 times. Thanks for the very entertaining and informative videos. I would love to see you do a series on Phono stages from cheap to $1000 for both solid-state and vacuum-tube-based devices. Keep up the great work.
I was surprised that it does indeed reduce static. Hopefully I'll have an opportunity to do more with phono stages before too long.
Great info. This could be a great option for those who can’t afford a Zero Stat, or for those who can’t afford one RIGHT NOW. I might pick one up. I’m still nervous though about using it on my actual records. I hardly have any filler in my collection. Every single record serves a purpose or tells a story. Anyway...
You’re video is hilarious. Great writing, dude.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. If it helps any, the lighter doesn't really emit heat. It's just at the source when the plasma is flowing.
The devices emit almost no detectable heat from .5" away, I can't see any way one would damage an album if not held directly against it and not moved.
Chris...your finding of the static reading on the platter is consistent with what i have been telling all of the people that felt the Zerostat was not worth the money. i have been using the Zstat since it came out more than 30 years ago (mine is the original in white, not red or blue) when it was Discwasher that was marketing them. since that time, i acquired a red one from a friend.
the plasma lighter trick is something i saw a while ago but never acted on it so THANKS for making this video and spelling out the products used. the static reader is out of the question at $500 for me but the approximately $11 for the RONXS is right in there.
now, what i have been advising my friends when using the Zstat is not to use it prior to playing the record but instead, use it on the LP AFTER play and before placing into the sleeves. this is to circumvent the attraction of dust onto the vinyl while it rests in the jacket. theoretically, the dust will be easier to remove with a carbon fiber brush such as the AQ. i use my old radio shack brush which has finer carbon fibers, like the original Decca Brush of about 30-40 years ago. it is still in good shape, the bristles arent curled from too much pressure. These brushes are only effective if the tips of the fibers are lightly applied for 2-3 revolutions of the platter after which i always brush them off to the outside.
fortunately, i am left-handed so using the brush with my left isn't awkward as if i were right-handed. i will be recommending my fellow vinyl addicts to watch this YT.
...hifitommy
Using any static treatment on the platter is useless, unfortunately. The static that has come from the record originally simply bleeds off into the turntable, and then comes right back as you lift the record. Treating the record for static before play has shown the best results.
Great video, Ive been trying to decide which route to take for antistatic. I will definitely give this a try. Your delivery, knowledge and general likeability have made you my favorite vinyl channel.
Let us know how it works out for you.
Great new channel and love the presentation. Well done mate , looking forward to shed load more content
Thanks much for the encouragement.
I just purchased a candle lighter of a similar design. It doesn't have the gooseneck, just a straight shaft. It is excellent at removing static. I have been keeping it a half inch from the surface of record while it’s spinning on the turntable and draw it from the center outward twice. If the record has high static, you can really hear the arc buzz on the first swipe. It diminishes on the second swipe, almost like it’s eating the static. I'm very impressed with the results.
They work better with the record off the turntable.
I'm a welding inspector and we use various methods to demagnetize the steel when it holds too much residual magnetism. All non magnetic materials have a randomly orientated atomic structure while static and magnetized materials have aligned dipoles (orientated in one linear direction) within the atomic structure of atoms and electrons. The process of demagnetizing a material like steel or vinyl, essentially, is to return the atomic structure back to its original randomly orientated state (all mixed up).
I haven't tried this method of removing static from vinyl yet - but I'm gonna! BUT I would suggest trying not a circular singular directional motion (around the record) but a zig zag motion across the record probably in both axis, then pulling the lighter away slowly while still engaged. The zig zag motion will help the atomic structure dis-align itself into a randomly orientated state thus removing the static. Pulling away slowly will help the atoms settle easier into their new orientation.
Side Note: I actual purposely induce a heavy static field into my records (Used and New) when cleaning them for the first time, then de-static them with absolute amazing results 99% of the time - I can remove cat hair or dust from any piece in my collection with a light breathe.
I'll be trying this plasma lighter method though for some of my newer LPs that have a weird chemical composition and that hold static like its their dying baby.
An interesting idea. I'll have to give that a shot.
A length of light paper like toilet paper hanging down can gauge the static of the album. I've found that any brushing of the vinyl including those "antistat" carbon fiber brushes or the ones on their own arm adds static. Playing the album adds a little from the stylus. A dirty stylus will add more. The Milty Zerostat works. My preferred method of removing dust is a silicon roller but those also add static.
So my current sequence is hold the album and roll and then do the gun. Before putting the album back hit again with the gun. The biggest problem with this is holding the album while rolling. It's a little awkward. Using a brush might be easier since you don't have to push on the surface like with the roller. Using the roller or brush while the album will add static but then hitting it with the gun will not remove it. Have to take the album off and hold.
Great video, and an AWESOME shirt. Long live DT! Similar to your top 5 under $500 turntables, I'd love to see the same thing for speakers. Thanks for the knowledge!
Thanks for the kind words. I'm looking into a video for speakers and hopefully it won't be too far out.
I find your episodes very interesting and useful,also really liking your channel,quietly following you for a few weeks now and am intrigued every time I watch you..great job!
That's very nice of you to say. I'm trying to keep them fun and interesting.
picked one up from eBay, used it for two cycles in hand (ungrounded so the charge has nowhere to go) and it made an enormous difference to one of my quieter LP's, thanks!
Very nice!
Was going to get the Zero Stat as I seem to have so much static that the record is taking the slipmat along with it when turning the record over. I then stumbled across this. Gonna see if that makes a difference and take it from there.
Love the videos.
Thank you!
For the price, it's certainly worth a try.
This is fascinating! I do wish that I'd found this vid before buying a Furutech Destat 3 (OUCH!) , but I really should have known as I used the original zerostat back in the 70's (much to the amusement of my skeptical buddy's) and it was only a piezo device
Making my way through your older vids and just found your shop. Gonna be some cow merch under the tree this year! Thank you for making these, I know how much time and effort can go into editing.
It definitely took me by surprise.
Great freaking video. The satirical asides really made it fun for me.
Thanks for this tip. I bought one and did my own test, with a plastic bag. I charged the plastic bag by rubbing on my hair, stuck it to the wall to prove the charge was there because it stuck with good force. Then I did the same thing only "zapped" it after charging it and it would not stick to the wall at all. So I use it on my records now, I zap them in my hand both sides before playing. My wife asked me if it sounds better now, well if I tell myself it sounds better then it does, :) Anyway, I'm quite sure the static is less by using this and it was only $15.
Interesting findings! My question is if the records read so low when placed on the turntable and there's very little change when conducting the experiment while placed on the turntable, how about just reading in hand then on the turntable? It seems like that might be eliminating the majority of the static and therefore negating the need for a static reduction device at all. Or am I missing something?
My thoughts exactly!
I would think! I wish he had my setup, where I can hear the crackling of static in the air as I lift my record off the platter sometimes! Which is why I'm here watching this. Perhaps the solution for the testing is to insulate the record at the spindle with some rubber or plastic or something if possible, because it's that metal spindle not the felt mat that's conducting I'm sure. If it were the mat, switch to cork, and check.
@@michaelbliss3337 Do you live in a hot and dry climate? I could imagine that static is an issue in a place like Nevada, where it is really dry. I wonder if lightly misting the room with a spray may reduce the static. I live in the U.K., where we have lots of moisture in the air, but I’ve always wondered whether an earthing/grounding mat under the turntable could make a difference
Some tests on the table showed a good result, some didn't. I think it was effective, but not as effective as a Milty.
@@michaelbliss3337 I used to get that problem until I connected a separate earth cable to my setup. Now I have a cable that connects directly to earth as well as the earth between preamp and deck.
Very interesting. I'm gonna do some tests too. Thank you for all your videos: very amusing and very useful.
I'm glad you could find something useful there. Keep me posted on your tests.
Excellent work and thumbs up for your thoroughness. Just curious if the turntable is grounded to anything?
Yes, it's connected to an integrated amplifier.
Hey! thanks for giving it a try!
I'll give that a go in my own time and see what I get. Thanks very much for the idea, it was a lot of fun! Shoot me an email at thevinylattack@gmail.com when you have a quick minute.
Just stumbled across your channel earlier today. Now subscribed here in the UK. I was intrigued simply because I've used one of these usb plasma lighters for a couple of months. They really do work! Good to see some empirical evidence! I use a slightly different technique to yourself in that I use it when the record is spinning on the platter. Two or three discharges from centre to outer edge. Certainly works for me. Any chance you can measure the other side of the record when you've initially discharged the static on the first side? Good presentation style btw!
I can take a look at that I think. Thanks for dropping by.
This is one of the best reviews, very scientifically done and I thank you for your review! BTW. I had to Shazam all of the songs because I love your taste in music! Haha
I appreciate you saying so.
I love this new channel. I too am a vinyl Junkie. Can't wait to see what you do next. One suggestion show us your cavitation cleaning set up
Thanks much for dropping by. I'll have a full video about my ultrasonic before too long.
I was very surprised at the readings on the table vs the readings you got in-hand. I didn't think that the turntable grounding strap would have that much affect on the elimination of static charge but it definitely seems to do just that. Last week, I tried my 1986 era Discwasher version of the Zerostat and I think it must be broken as I could only get it to click one time when pulling the trigger and it would not click at all when releasing it. As a result, I could watch the dust get attracted to the vinyl in a matter of seconds - like it was snowing on my record... evidence that the Zerostat needs to be used (and needs to be operating correctly) in the manner originally intended. Something I doubt most owners do. This product you just tested seems to do much the same, seems to be practically fool proof, and much, much less expensive. Thanks for the heads up. Congrats on the 3k subscribers (now) too!
The strap really didn't do anything. I wore it to appease the masses, but from my last test to this one, the numbers were consistent. I'm glad you found some use in the video though :-)
Plasma Lighter? Anti Static Strap? All these gizmos . Its like I have been locked away for a year. Oh wait ... I have. Awesome vid again.
Crazy the stuff we think up when we've nothing else to do, lol.
Your channel is growing due to your content, delivery and general personality. Keep it up!
I'm still taken aback with it, but I truly appreciate the kind words.
Your vids are always entertaining and informative, and easy to follow along with.
This channel is fast becoming my favorite 👍👍👍
That's very kind of you to say. Thanks for watching!
You'll probably hit 4K this week - including me! I live in the mountains, a semi-arid climate, where the static issue is a huge one all year round. I'm happy to try ANY (inexpensive) novel method to reduce it. Thanks for the vid!
I'm glad you were able to get some use from the vid. Thanks for coming along!
Love the channel. Keep up the good work!
I'm doing my best, thanks.
I'm actually going to buy this! Thank you for your videos, you help a lot with those tests! You saved me 30 euros when you tested those brushses!
Glad I could help!
You do a great job with your videos, I'm looking forward to more. Also, nice tee! Keep it up! \m/
Thanks much, I'm doing my best.
Congratulations are in order and thank you for the great information. Looking forward to more.
Thanks for watching!
WOW that is an interesting result!!! Thanks for the thorough testing. I have been looking for a low cost way to reduce static this looks like a winner, not quite as good as the Zero stat 3 but 10% of the cost with 80% of the results is good enough for me DEFINITELY better than nothing
It's certainly a good workaround in a pinch.
@@thevinylattack For SURE, BTW at one point I found a video years back where the host had mention the Zero Stat and said that he had found a cheaper alternative and it was some kind of industrial tool that was almost identical and was used to remove static but it was not AUDIOPHILE so the price was less than half the Zero Stat but for the life of me I CAN NOT remember what it was called
@@ocularcavity8412 probably an ionizing bar. You can buy them for fairly cheap as well.
@@kellypg Thank A TON I will definitely look into that
I have a Milty that works very well but if I wear it out that will be my next move for sure save some money. Great channel with excellent content.
I appreciate you saying so.
Quite amazing that this works. Will have to look for one of these lighters and try it out. Love your channel and congratulations on getting so many subscribers - well deserved!
Thanks so much!
I'd say it's the same as you mentioned it - the turntable is grounded, so it pulls the maximum amount of static possible. I usually just put the lp on the platter, start the rotation, go with the carbon fiber brush to pic the dust if any, and "remove the static". Works for me. Maybe you could do the same episode using the brush and your gadgets to see what's happening?
I might look into that, but I'm going to take a little break from testing things I think.
Loving this channel! Great, well delivered content. Very entertaining.
Great lighting BTW
You're very kind. Thank you.
Well I just ordered one it definitely seems to eliminate static and also good to light candles. The handheld test you did made a big difference. I will update once I try it. Thanks keep"em coming. I believe most of the tests you did with the milty were hand held.
Let us know how it works out for you.
I was considering buying a zerostat. Was also looking for a refillable lighter for candles.Looks like I just killed two birds with one stone and saved $100. Thank you!
Happy to help.
Super channel , happy I stumbled onto it. Keep up the great work!
Hey, thanks much for the encouragement.
You are crushing it. Thank you for these...
Glad you like them!
I’ve been using time consuming deionized water rinses to get very noticeable reduction in static cracking - this seems very interesting a prospect! The only thing I’m missing is sound comparisons of the lead in grooves before and after :)
Well thought out and executed project. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Very, very entertaining and informative post. Thank you for the videos and keep spinning.
You bet.
Your channel and you rock!!! Keep the awesome videos coming!!
Thanks much for the encouragement, I'll keep doing my best.
When you place a record in the platter the charges inside the dielectric record material move to the side that is in contact with the platter it is like a capacitor, that is why less charge remains in the play surface. When you lift the record from the platter the charges will redistribute inside the record again restoring the static charge level in both sides of the record. This can actually be felt when lifting a record with a lot of charge it will crackle and you can feel it is pulling the mat and you can actually see dust particles being attracted to the record surface. Always discharge the record off the turntable so the charges will bleed off into the air. A well grounded metal platter and conductive mat will help bleed off the charges from the record too.
I think I shall add that to some testing. Thanks much for the suggestions.
I have tried different methods to get rid of static on my vinyl records. The Milti Zerostat 3 gun has been very unfulfilling. A good wet wash with TergiKleen has been my best tool. New tool to get rid of static I just tried is "brilliant". Why didn't I think of that (I have 2 degrees in Engineering)? The Hudson HiFi Company has come out with a Anti-Static Dust Brush that mounts on an arm that tracks across your record as you play it. The brush is connected to the ground wire on the back of your turntable. So if it works, it works for me, it drains the static to ground as you play the record. Brilliant.
It would be, if the majority of static didn't just bleed off into the turntable upon touchdown. The best way to treat static is off the turntable.
Thanks for great video. After watching several of these videos about static . I came to conclusion static on a record not as big a problem as everyone use to make ot out to be. Needless to say i still picked up couple different of the things you tested just incase lol.
I'd say you're in the minority. Everyone I know deals with static regularly.
Well done on the growth in subscriptions.
Thanks. I'm still really shocked how fast it's happened.
Cool Dream Theater tee man! They and your channel rocks!
Thanks much for that.
Interesting❗To prevent "burning" a record, could some kind of addition to the tip be used to prevent that,vand still keep it's function❓
Just something entered my mind 🤔
I don't think it'd be necessary at all. There's no heat to speak of other than right at the plasma source.
I actually own that lighter. Just ran it for it's full run time while touching the metal tip. No heat at all.
Most static on the record happens when the stylus is already causing friction on the record. The friction accumulates static hence why clips and pops start to appear and stick on the grooves.
I was wondering if the testings can be made while a record is playing in the beginning, middle, and end of a reproduction.
Congrats on the subscriptions!
You put more effort in your videos that it looks effortless , hence why your channel is entertaining to watch.
Also you testing stuff on records is always a great way to discover how to improve our vinyl experience, and that is priceless.
Oh, btw.
There is a viral video where some guy recommends to apply WD 40 on the record's surface with a cloth (microfiber cloth I suppose) after cleaning them to eliminate pops and clicks.
Apparently the WD 40 also improves the quality of sound of the record.
I'm curious if WD 40 does not have a chemical negative abrasive effect on the vinyl like alcohol has.
Also I wonder if the Hudson anti static brush arm is as effective. Unfortunately, that product is not easy to get where I live.
Those are all pretty good ideas and I'll have to take a look and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the great suggestions and encouragement.
I’ve heard that WD-40 can sound great short term but long term it pulls moisture out of the vinyl and causes miniature cracks. Possibly due to it being petroleum based? Probably similar ish to how petroleum based headlight cleaning products look and work great but soon haze over.
Do you think a belt drive would show static number sufficiently different from a direct drive, to be worth that test-set as well?
I got one of these last week and you know what? I think it works! I like a good $10 solution to a problem.
It might not be the last word in static elimination, but it does in fact lower it. I was surprised too.
It would be interesting to compare readings between felt mat, cork mat and acrylic mat. There is supposedly this huge amount of static discharge between mat materials.
It's definitely on my list.
Did you ever test the different platter mat materials? I'm very curious to know how they handle static, or if they do. Especially curious about carbon fiber felt vs "regular" carbon fiber.
WOW I as of watching this video had a zerostat in my amazon cart and its 149 Canadian was watching some videos see if I really want to spend that much come across your video and seeing how many in comments say this candle lighter works I now have one that is preparing for shipment at a cost 12.99 Canadian fingers crossed it works but deff worth that little of a risk thankyou for this video
It doesn't work quite as well as a Zerostat, but it does indeed work and cost a lot less.
you just saved me 100 bucks, this method works great, im so glad i found this video on time, thank you sir!
Glad it helped.
You should try a very simple test. First, hold the record in your hand and take the measurements. Then do nothing but put the record on the turntable and take the measurements again.
I agree. That would be the control test that any experiment should include. In this case, it’s possible the static dissipates naturally, or it could be getting grounded by simply holding the album.
I am on board as well...good content, excellent presentation Sir...Thank you
I'm glad to hear it, welcome aboard!
Love the humour and well done on the growth of your channel.
I wonder if placing the mat on a desk and then the record on the mat would give a more accurate reading. Hope you aren’t offended by me saying that, it is all in the interest of science 🙂
Not offended at all. I like to hear new ideas. I think I like the 'real world' scenario I have now, but that may change if I continue with other tests.
Hi. The candle lighters do work. I ran the same tests that you did, had much the same results. However the difference i did is that i disconnected the earth wire from the turntable so that the spindle could not drain the static to earth. the static meter results were much same as holding it in hand and the reduction was the same as the hand held. I also tested the Zerostat against the candle lighter and the figures were much same. ....enjoy the music.....
I'll give that a go and see what I get. Thanks for the heads up.
Great video again! Someone on Stereonet Australia posted about this product and swore it was more effective than his Zerostat....so I got one for $8.95 on ebay. I hold it about an inch above the LP, while on the platter and zig-zag it from outer to inner for 3 revolutions. I have a leather (suede) platter mat. Now I don't seem to have had a lot of static issues in the past but I use it anyway and it seems to work ok.....but I can't really tell for sure and maybe it just makes me feel better!😉
While not quite as good as a Zerostat, the price difference makes it quite a bargain.
Becoming a favorite channel of mine , aside from the epic beard. The information here is gold
I appreciate the positive feedback.
Hi Chris - I have just this moment come back from Bunnings Warehouse here in Australia with an arc lighter after seeing this video. I have a feeling arc lighters are rarer in Australia than in America, because I have been to multiple hardware stores without finding one.
I think I found a winner - a welding torch arc lighter with a really cool design. It looks like a Zippo designed by Darth Vader!! I think there's a cool factor in its design all right. Also, it has a USB charger (as yours does); I don't know if those 1970s static pistols were even rechargable.
The zerostat doesn't need batteries like a lighter does.
After three weeks, let me tell you; the arc lighter seems to work. I have no static testing device but I use feathers and bits of dust to see if they stick. I have had records so bad they crackled when I stuck the feather to the surface; the lighter does seem to eliminate the static very effectively.
@@johnnymurgatroyd7393 I'm glad to hear it's working for you.
You mentioned replacing a felt mat for a cork one to reduce static. I have a Marantz TT-15S1 with an acrylic platter. Would it be best to use no may at all?
It has a solid acrylic platter, so you might try no mat at all. If you use a mat, I'd use cork.
Love that Dream Theater t-shirt! Wearing my Astonishing Live t-shirt right now.
Just watched your vid. Think you covered all testing bases without actually being in a lab! 😁👍
Decided to order one on this basis (10 times less than the little blue gun thing!). I'll comment back in a few days to let you know how I got on.
P.S.... I have found that the newer 180g pressing seem to hold more charge than the older, lighter/thinner vinyl. I have more problems with brand new records even whilst using anti-static sleeves... I wonder, has anyone else noticed this and is it (probably very obviously) because there is more plastic there to hold a bigger charge?
Definitely let us know how it works for you.
I wouldn't be surprised if a 180g holds more static. Something for me to check out.
Ordered one. Figure I can use it to light candles if it doesn't do anything for static, although, it appears that it does. Can you do an A/B test with the ZeroStat?
I'm going to take a look at the readings I get with a little pre-test. If it's at all interesting I'll certainly do a comparison.
My mom got me one of those a few years ago even though I don't smoke. I thought it was cool, but now I have an actual use! :P
I solve all kinds of problems, lol.
I recently bought a bipolar ion generator that takes a 12vdc input and a AAx8 battery pack box with power switch. It seems to maybe do the same thing for about the same amount of money but doesn't produce a spark. One thing I would have like to have seen is a measurement of an album on the table after using the plasma torch in hand. It would be interesting to know if the static charge lowered even more or if the charge became greater again. Then maybe test again once album is pulled from table. My hypothesis is that the charge will go back up because the record will be giving up electrons and therefore a higher negative static charge will be the result.
Have you used one of the Thunderon brushes that is being sold by Sleeve City? I have been tempted to buy one but I really do not see how it will conduct a charge unless it is connected to an earth ground by a copper wire since the human body is a pretty crappy conductor.
I haven't used one of those brushes, but I might pick one up to see how effective it is. It seems the fine hairs might be better at removing dust if nothing else.
I just ordered a plasma lighter on amazon a minute ago after watching this video. wish me luck! i have some LP with static that I want to listen them a bit clean and clear... finger crossed!
Let us know how it works for you.
@@thevinylattack sure, I'll test it tomorrow and let you know. even though it doesn't work, I really like your videos, and your t-shirts!!!! love the bands you like =) good content my friend.
@@excentor I appreciate the kind words.
I have not read all the responses to the video. You asked why just putting the disc on to the platter reduces the static charge number. I have read that it is fine by design. The tt old and new, generally speaking is grounded. This helps to equalize the charge or reduce it in this case. The tt that have a wall wart, runs on low current DC doesn’t require grounding at all. What do you think about this conclusion Chris?
The static bleed off into the table isn't a good thing. It can affect the sensitive electronics inside. This is why treating a record before play is crucial.
@@thevinylattack Thanks Chris, sorry for my poor language/writing skills, I don’t often correct my grammar and spelling. So my understanding about static imbalance which is somehow adjusted when the album is measured on the platter, would be a good thing because the charge is closer to a zero value when measured. I think it occurs by design of the engineers/technical team to reduce static noise. You state that it isn’t necessarily a good thing because it affects sensitive parts in the turntable? Or it affects sensitive parts within the preamplifier? Can you be a little more concrete about your viewpoint and that because I’m trying to understand the concept of static noise or imbalance and how it affects sound quality. Thank you.
I live in SoCal and the humidity in my room is always 25%-45%, and I have a carpet, so it's static galore. Just ordered the arc lighter off Amazon since it's only $10, hopefully it's the end all solution. I also ordered an Ortofon carbon fiber brush off the advice of one user in the arc lighter thread, as my current Audioquest brush clone actually increases static.
Also, nice Technics turntable! I'm buying a fully automatic D303 variant tomorrow that's been caringly maintained since the 80s and is in pristine condition. I might also modify a cork mat to fit the autodetect mechanism for extra anti-static properties.
Make sure to drop back by and let us know how it all works out.
Aw man! I commented days ago and I think it got taken down 🙄 I was saying that I found an improved version of the lighter technique you used in this video (btw loving your channel so far). I won’t post the link again cause I think that’s why it got flagged, but what it does is it also uses an electric piezo lighter but you modify it with a needle to give the lighter a fine focus point, essentially recreating an anti static gun. I’m working on hacking one myself now. Let me know if you’re interested, maybe you can make another video out of it. Cheers my friend, congrats on your channel’s success thus far 😎😊👍🏼
TH-cam has a tendency to take down comments with links in them. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.
@@thevinylattack I’d love to, except I don’t have any real way to measure it’s efficiency. I can only test it using packing foam, loose tape or paper, lol. I unfortunately do not have an electrostatic reader 😕 I was wondering if you were interested in testing it as well for your channel, except I have no idea how to send you the link with out triggering the algorithm overlords
@@marcopolov673 It's a possibility in the future, but your home brew test should tell you what you need to know I'd wager.
@@thevinylattack Thanks my friend, I just wanted to spread the info to the vinyl community if it indeed turns out to be a reliable hack👍🏼 Keep doing what you’re doing bud, you have a fantastic channel and I hope it grows beyond your wildest dreams!!! 😎👍🏼
@@marcopolov673 Hey, thanks for the support. I'm always up for listening to new ideas and products, so if you find something and TH-cam won't let you post it please feel free to email me.
this vs curling stone?
My Zerostat says "Discwasher" on the side and was purchased sometime in the late 70's. Nostalgia, anyone? 😊
Is that one of the red ones as well?
@@thevinylattack It's white, and still works. When I bought it back then the "instructions" were to squeeze slowly, release slowly, then squeeze slowly once again and then point the Zerostat away from the record so that the last emission to the record was positively charged. Maybe your static detector can clear up the whole question of positive versus negative streams coming out of your Zerostat.
Trippy, great experiment!!!
Thanks, I was really quite surprised it had an effect.
Three thousand subs man keep going !
It's absolutely crazy how quickly this thing built.
Hi,
First off, one should not use this plazma nor the Zero stat anywhere near the turntable's head. This is a very sensitive device. Secondly, the procedure, as far as I have gathered, is to wave the wand above the entire surface of the record to get best results. Lastly, when you read the patent for the Zero Stat it actually states that this device is a piezoelectric device (as in cigarette lighters) and the patent is ONLY for the trigger mechanism itself. Hence no wonder that this works. Thanks for the video. BTW, there were a number of small mistakes that I have seen in your video but it would not influence the results that were quite conclusive. Again thanks for the video
A Zero Stat, Destat, or plasma lighter won't harm a cartridge or its electronics. They're simply emitting ions.
Is anyone interested in seeing some phono cartridge reviews or shoot outs in the $100-600 range?
PS I dig this channel. I thank you for creating content I enjoy.
Perhaps in the future if it garners enough interest.
I love my Milty. I would caution people to make sure you don’t use it too close to your cartridge. In my experience can cause damage.
Love the channel!
you mean the ions cause damage to the cartridge, or heat?
@@michaelbliss3337 sorry. Should have mentioned I was speaking about the Milty.
What damage did you experience?
@@thevinylattack Left channel started having issues. After looking on a few audio forums I see that it can be a bit of an problem.
@@tanyet I've never encountered that. Interesting.
Very nice. Does not seem to be better than a Zerostat, which since I have one, I'll stick with. As an aside, anyone using a cart with a Shure stabilizer brush, should have no static issues, as one of the virtues of said brush, is that it effectively eliminates static.
I don't think it can stack up with a Milty either, but for the money it was worth a shot. Thanks for dropping by.
Cool shirt!! Love Dream Theater
OK, an update on how well the arc lighter works: The RONXS (?) unit from Amazon is the one I got - overall results are shockingly effective. The battery seems to last for at least 30 de-static cycles (or 15 LPs), probably even longer if the bursts are short. Doing a cycle on a spinning turntable DOES NOT work for me - 0 impact to static. What DOES work is holding the record in my hand (touching the label) and doing a single 2 second discharge around the LP at a height of 2-3 inches. This KILLS all static, so I do this after brushing the record and before playing it - once per side. I tried to use it for its intended purpose but regular flame lighters are probably faster - it took a good 10 seconds to light a leaf on fire.
As for the Ortofon brush that was recommended, whoever put that suggestion in must live in some place where the humidity around 45-50% instead of 20% every day like here in LA. Although the user claimed that this brush dissipates static, in my environment it actually builds static (just like my Audioquest clone). It's still an excellent brush, better suited to the "tilt and lift" style of cleaning rather than the "pull off sideways" style that Audioquest brushes seem to prefer. The bristles are stiffer than most brushes (won't cause damage), so it's also better for manual spot sweeping.
I'm not even gonna bother with stuff like metal record weights or cork/leather mats because in dry climates, only the most brute force solutions like sweeping with a plasma arc seem to work. Or using a humidifier to turn my room into a Louisiana swamp so it's physically impossible to build static.
I'm glad to hear it's working so well for you. Crazy that such an inexpensive solution does the job.
@@thevinylattack I was about to bite the bullet and buy a Zerostat until I decided to do some more research and learned that it was just a modified piezo lighter. I have no idea why they’re so overpriced - apparently there used to be competing anti static guns, but Zerostat outlived everything else and seems to have a monopoly.
@@willywonka3050 I hope to test them all against each other before long to see what truly works the best.
Call me crazy, but would the reason for the reduction in static when on the table have anything to do with the metal spindle plus the table being grounded?
While I'm not 100% certain, I'm going with no. The spindle itself isn't grounded as the table isn't grounded. Just the outboard electronics have the ground connection.
@The Vinyl Attack! a lot of the carbon brushes say you need the body of the brush to touch the spindle in order to dissapate any charge accumulated when dragging across the record.
@@ouroborosrecords I can assure you that sadly, it does nothing for static.
Ok..try this.. take measurements after holding in your hand and using the little gizmo. Then place lp on TT and measure again. If the number drop even more.. then you’ll know the TT is hvi g an effect
I did, it's on the Degritter video.
Hi there I have just bought one, I have managed to get one for under six pounds so I will give it a try. I will let you know what my results are who knows it mite just work, and as you sed I can always use it to lite a candle 😂😂😂😂ps well dun on the grounding issue
Definitely keep me posted.
Hey Chris interesting as usual always wondered something maybe this is something that might be interesting for the channel I always use a zerostat before I place the record on the platter I play side one when the side is over I flip the record it definitely seems like there’s more static after playing side one wondering if that always happens or if that’s just my set up in my house that might be an interesting subject I don’t know just a thought anyways great video have a good one🇺🇸👍
Once you take a record from the platter, the static does seem to bounce back. I'll take a look and see what I find.
Tried the lighter, I can hear the static coming off the vinyl, also when degaussing the vinyl there is also a strong Oder of ozone.. I do use a acrylic platter and use the lighter on the vinyl while on the platter. Is this normal?, also since I can hear the static coming off I concentrate more in the areas that are more sound reactive not in circles
It's a better idea to treat the record in your hand and not on the platter.