I've tried this before. It works all right. There are a couple of things you want to watch out for that I didn't see mentioned in the video. AI will start dropping or changing elements of your scenes, making them more generic, the more you iterate the outline. If you ask it for changes to the outline, you really have to watch closely so that it doesn't start eliding important details. Also, Over time, you'll find that it not only elides your details, but it starts trying to expand the scope of the story, Particularly toward the end, because it thinks it has to wrap everything up with some kind of moral consequence for things like heists, Where the morally gray characters suddenly decide to turn over a new leaf or something stupid like that. Every time I try to write a kind of Ended character study, chat, GPT, tries to introduce some kind of huge societal change, led by my previously morally, ambiguous character who doesn't care about politics or something. ChatGPT is familiar with Brandon Sanderson. As soon as you told it that you were mixing a novel with a master and the apprentice story, it probably started pulling concepts from. Mistborn.
So here's the thing about the 24 chapter outline. This comes from Derek Murphy (The Plot Dot, Book Craft). He states that with the 24 chapter outline, he usually has 2 scenes (and I think sequels) per chapter. So that's a minimum of 48 scenes. He'll even go up to 3 scenes per chapter, as needed. So that will give you somewhere around 48-72 scenes to work with.
You could also use a Factor-3 Snowflake to iterate the 3-9-27 Method further down into the Scene structure. Each Act has 3 Blocks, each Block has 3 Chapters, each Chapter has 3 Scenes, each Scene has 3 Beats, giving you: 3 Acts, 9 Blocks, 27 Chapters, 81 Scenes, 243 Beats.
I actually tell GPT how to write and not what to follow. This way GPT will focus more on the style (which I would correct later numerous of times). About storyline, I would lead GPT later too, what it could add, where I see the weak points, what is should even correct sometimes (the logic in crimi novels, for example). Such points as they are given in the video, might cause that we would get just pretty similar contents each time, although the stories could be very different. But these steps would still somehow lock GPT into narrowing the storyline, instead of giving GPT totally freedom in expressing itself, while following our precize instructions on the style.
This is fantastic. I've been working on something like this for a while, but coming at it from a different angle, using the 4 act structure plus 7 point plot structure and trying to mush them together. I'll give this a try! Thanks Jason!
I want to see your take on scenes/chapters: early, middle and late. Types, what should go into them, and how to engage audience. I'm at the point where I either want build up into an intimate/grand moment, or a subversion/twist.
I’ve recently found your channel and it’s been helping. I’ve been using AI and with the controversial takes on it, has made me scared out of my mind to even speak about it.
so I have watched a lot of videos about writing a novel, I started and I have issue of keep on adding and changing the story when should I know when to stop and move on to the next chapter or story?. I feel like I'm digging a hole and I'm in0 it and with no way out, ho0p0e this makes sense
I am a blind viewer, so I can't actually see what's on the video, I can only listen and try to take verbal context clues and do the best that I can to create prompts from what I've heard. I just really wish people would include everything in text, inside the description for those of us who need the text.@@usdutchkitty
@@GenderPunkJezebelle999 If it were that simple, I would have just done that and I wouldn’t have bothered leaving the comment that I left. I can’t just pause and write it down. I am blind and can’t actually see the video like a normal sighted person can. Too, I am already a member of his service, he hasn’t posted it on the website, nor has he posted it to the private facebook group. 🥺
But why would you want to outline like Brandon Sanderson? Why? Doesn't make sense to me. You can do whatever you want with the AI so why? Neat caption if you want to war against the writing community.
I've tried this before. It works all right. There are a couple of things you want to watch out for that I didn't see mentioned in the video.
AI will start dropping or changing elements of your scenes, making them more generic, the more you iterate the outline.
If you ask it for changes to the outline, you really have to watch closely so that it doesn't start eliding important details.
Also, Over time, you'll find that it not only elides your details, but it starts trying to expand the scope of the story, Particularly toward the end, because it thinks it has to wrap everything up with some kind of moral consequence for things like heists, Where the morally gray characters suddenly decide to turn over a new leaf or something stupid like that.
Every time I try to write a kind of
Ended character study, chat, GPT, tries to introduce some kind of huge societal change, led by my previously morally, ambiguous character who doesn't care about politics or something.
ChatGPT is familiar with Brandon Sanderson. As soon as you told it that you were mixing a novel with a master and the apprentice story, it probably started pulling concepts from. Mistborn.
So here's the thing about the 24 chapter outline. This comes from Derek Murphy (The Plot Dot, Book Craft). He states that with the 24 chapter outline, he usually has 2 scenes (and I think sequels) per chapter. So that's a minimum of 48 scenes. He'll even go up to 3 scenes per chapter, as needed. So that will give you somewhere around 48-72 scenes to work with.
Thanks a lot for this idea, cuz I've been trying to make Claude to write more chapters yet it would struggle to even write a 50 chapter outline.
You could also use a Factor-3 Snowflake to iterate the 3-9-27 Method further down into the Scene structure. Each Act has 3 Blocks, each Block has 3 Chapters, each Chapter has 3 Scenes, each Scene has 3 Beats, giving you: 3 Acts, 9 Blocks, 27 Chapters, 81 Scenes, 243 Beats.
Do you have more information on his method of writing scenes? I know about 24 chapter outline.
@@StarlasAiko- I've thought about this as well, but I didnt quite get that granular.
@HelenaCross Yup
I actually tell GPT how to write and not what to follow.
This way GPT will focus more on the style (which I would correct later numerous of times). About storyline, I would lead GPT later too, what it could add, where I see the weak points, what is should even correct sometimes (the logic in crimi novels, for example).
Such points as they are given in the video, might cause that we would get just pretty similar contents each time, although the stories could be very different. But these steps would still somehow lock GPT into narrowing the storyline, instead of giving GPT totally freedom in expressing itself, while following our precize instructions on the style.
This is fantastic. I've been working on something like this for a while, but coming at it from a different angle, using the 4 act structure plus 7 point plot structure and trying to mush them together. I'll give this a try! Thanks Jason!
I am the same! i threw out all the notes i had on act and structure, now AI will do it all, NerdyNovelist saved me
I want to see your take on scenes/chapters: early, middle and late. Types, what should go into them, and how to engage audience.
I'm at the point where I either want build up into an intimate/grand moment, or a subversion/twist.
I’ve recently found your channel and it’s been helping.
I’ve been using AI and with the controversial takes on it, has made me scared out of my mind to even speak about it.
Awesome. Can you also make a video about how to use AI to rewrite a chapter in your old draft?
Man, your channel is AWSOME!
I appreciate that!
Is there a list of the different plot types? Like Heist, Master and Apprentice, etc. Is there a place where we can look them up?
Nope. One of my goals is to create one.
yes kinda, Tv tropes is probably the biggest one
so I have watched a lot of videos about writing a novel, I started and I have issue of keep on adding and changing the story when should I know when to stop and move on to the next chapter or story?. I feel like I'm digging a hole and I'm in0 it and with no way out, ho0p0e this makes sense
Game changer . Thanks .
Excellent video!
Can you provide me with the prompt in its entirety?
Yeah, a lot of the AI people don't really like to actually link to pages of the actual prompts they use.
I am a blind viewer, so I can't actually see what's on the video, I can only listen and try to take verbal context clues and do the best that I can to create prompts from what I've heard. I just really wish people would include everything in text, inside the description for those of us who need the text.@@usdutchkitty
He'll give you his prompts if you join his membership. Otherwise, just pause the video and write it down.
@@GenderPunkJezebelle999 If it were that simple, I would have just done that and I wouldn’t have bothered leaving the comment that I left. I can’t just pause and write it down. I am blind and can’t actually see the video like a normal sighted person can. Too, I am already a member of his service, he hasn’t posted it on the website, nor has he posted it to the private facebook group. 🥺
@@GenderPunkJezebelle999 too many memberships! Even on the low tier?”
Very useful ideas. Thanks!
I used your GPT instead. It produces more accurate results than Chat-GPT, but shorter results than shown in your video.
But why would you want to outline like Brandon Sanderson? Why? Doesn't make sense to me. You can do whatever you want with the AI so why? Neat caption if you want to war against the writing community.
Because he’s good at what he does. We learn by imitating the masters.