It's so necessary to do this with cables to see who is being honest and who's not. No one really wanted to do it, so it's good LTT has been able to turn this absolutely labor-intensive process into a highly requested series and entertaining videos.
That's why I watched and threw a like. Ya, it's boring stuff to do, but the community needs this to be done. Cables are something we assume to work because it's not hard to do, yet someone will always want to take advantage of our trust.
Yea, I mean we need some sort of universal cable standard, that would be great for consumers and manufacturers to know what they need to do. Oh... wait... they tried that and totally screwed it up. 🤦♂
Yep. I have wasted so much money and returned so many cables over the years. The last monitor I got came with a cable that couldn’t even output 10 bit color. Then my TV hdmi cord set that i bought especially for when i upgrade to a 4k TV later couldn’t even output 4k reliably once I upgraded. It’s complete BS.
@@Pseudoswede I used to have one (sorta), wasn't as solid of a locking mechanism and you stiffly had to squeeze the top and bottom of the connector head. DP locks are much better
XD but that fail could be just wear, or just a defective one, who knows. All my monitors are DP (I have one on DVI because the 1060 just have 2 DP) and one cable was damage because the tension, I got a new onw of 3m instead 1,8m.
Want to find a LOT of failures? Test out the DP->HDMI and HDMI->DP converters. Those have absolutely been more fail than pass whenever trying to connect newer computers to older monitors, or elsewise. A *constant* cause of headaches at work.
I had a hdmi to DP that worked with xbox series x (lg monitor) but not with ps5 on an acer predator monitor. my theory is that my lg had some whatever hd cp technology that allowed it. but it actually worked with the ps5 HOWEVER when i booted a game that supported 120 hz, the screen would just black out. when turning it to resolution mode, it didn't. weird right?
The group in charge of display port standards and certification should be pretty proud of this. This kind of reliability across manufacturers is impressive.
Yeah, I was a big HDMI fanboy until this whole HDMI 2.1 garbage. After that I was considering switching to DP where possible. But now after seeing this video, I know DP is the way to go.
Lessons I learned between this and the HDMI video: -Display port is better than HDMI -Never buy 25' display port -Never buy Monoprice cables -HDMI is good at 6', sketchy at 10'+ -Infinite Cables is top quality and bottom price -Amazon Basics is fine enough quality at ok pricing. -All the cables I own are garbage but at least I have ancient technology so are fine for the time being.
@@psionx1 Yes, but we haven't seen these tested yet either. More niche but still would help folks looking at them for reasons like putting the computer in a different room.
Linus: "the included samsung cable failed." Linus 10 seconds later: "today's video is brought to you by Samsung" This is one of the big reasons I like LTT so much. Sponsor dollars don't dictate the info you share.
they dont give a shit if he says some cable is cheap so long as he promotes you their new tv and that will make you buy it next time he makes "omg samsing monitor so good"
@@Foxfady facts, I have a Samsung 4K monitor that’s 99% accurate in adobe rgb. It’s fucking immaculate. And it wasn’t even one he recommended. Samsung can make some pretty damn amazing monitors and tvs.
@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended They can also make some pretty bad ones XD. When i was buying for my previous monitor (which was Samsung), i got a Samsung one that i had to refund because it made my eyes hurt really bad and really quick, the image was good in both colour and speed, but it did something that caused those really bad side effects. And i'm accustomed to being in front of a pc screen for long periods of time, so that i couldn't bear it for more than 15 mins is a really bad sign. The previous and the next monitors to that problematic one were also Samsung tho, generally they really know how to tune the pixel overdrive modes. But in the end i ended with a 144hz Asus monitor. :)
That explains why my Odyssey G9 keeps flickering off then on for me and it just happens that a bundled Samsung cable failed for you guys. I thought it was my 5700. I'll have to buy a new cable then! Thanks for this one!
My Acer Predator started flickering about a year and a half ago. I think it's the cable, especially after this video (10ft DP since I use a standing desk). Seems like shorter is better across all cables!
Apparently this is a widespread issue with the G9 and the G7 included cables if the comments are to be believed here. LTT Or Gamers Nexus should do an investigative piece on this imo.
Same here, Samsung Neo G9 and included cable is completely f'd. Blackscreen with Nvidia every 20-30 secs @ 240Hz. 120Hz was fine as long as i didn't go into 10 bit / HDR. Bought a longer 7ft Club3D one, no more issues. Samsung has become so bad value and quality lately in the 49" monitor space because there is just no competition.
I've seen many complains about the G9 bundled cable to the point that whenever I see someone complaining about G9 flickering I can bet that there's a comment somewhere blaming the bundled cable.. And it works in like 99% of times that just replacing the cable will fix the issue.
I had the exact same issue with my Odyssey and a 5700XT ! Switched to a 6900XT and the issues got worse with FreeSync not working anymore. Bought a DP Cable as my last resort and it fixed both issues permanently :)
In a work environment where I'm dealing with thousands of each type, I find myself preferring HDMI because it either works or it doesn't. The DP cables renegotiating signal is a huge pain. For example, a monitor randomly going black for a few seconds then coming back up. Users will often deal with the issue for a while until it annoys them enough to contact the IT department. As opposed to an HDMI cable where their screen goes black and stays black and instead of contacting us, they'll grab a spare HDMI cable and try replacing it on their own.
Makes sense for that kind of environment. You want everyone to be working or clearly not working. Diagnosing an issue is time and money. As an individual user, I definitely prefer DP.
Yeah, I can get that. Our firm's IT seems to prefer DP, but I think that's at least partly due to the lack of HDMI ports on the graphics cards they kit our designer machines with (usually only 1 as opposed to 3 DP, whereas most consumer cards have 1 DP and 3 HDMI).
@@pmackni true. We have mini desktops that have 3 DP ports only. But then we have Dell laptops that only have HDMI. Sometimes we use DP to HDMI adapters in special cases where a new DP run would take a while to be replaced and just need the blinking to go away.
to be fair, cables can really kill a project and Apple outright figured out you'd make way more selling cables back before even the power pc phase. $80 cables.
As an electrical engineer, I love that this channel tells me everything and doesn't leave out information. I'm probably a minority who cares about the exact details, but I appreciate it
It looked like full of details but not completely perfect. It have some shitty information between them. For me, i'm not taken all words from tech TH-camr easily either from jayz, linus or even GN especially, etc. LMAO
Details are important. Oversimplification, even when you don't care about the details, feels like being treated like a child. It's much better to have them and let the viewer decide if they care or not.
This is probably my favorite ongoing series from LMG. This type of testing from somebody as huge as these is a HUGE boon for the tech enthusiast community. Can't wait for more testing from different stuff as it comes along.
That part about the extra power pin on cheap DP cables is no joke. I had a couple that literally electrified my chassis and I got shocked several times by those little shits before I figured out what was going on. Fortunately they didn't fry any of the equipment (the PCs or hopefully mine) in the process. VESA certified cables are worth it.
aint no way the able is what shocked you. its max voltage is only 16v. chances are it was a short from something else shorting onto the display port connector
I would really like a kind of calculator, where your put in your desired resolution, refresh rate and color depth and it tells you which cable would be optimal. This would drastically simplify the buying decision.
USB C cables would be REALLY interesting to test, considering just how varied and different in both performance and advertised capabilities this cable standard has!
I would also love to see durability testing on cables, although I expect that would be more something for the lab. In my experience some brands of cables tend work fine when new but have a horrible failure rate. I have mostly noticed this with Amazon Basics, I bought a few of their HDMI, display port, usb, and ethernet cables several years ago, out of 9 cables only 2 still work today and most of those that failed did so in less then 2 years of use. This is just around my home and office, it is not a harsh environment. Out of the 50+ other random cheap cables that I own I've only had 5 failures in the last 15 years. Needless to say, I no longer buy Amazon Basics cables.
I want Linus to say the locking tabs are "nice to have" when he's trying to disengage them. About 75% of the time across a variety of brands, I have found that they do not fully disengage. It's a "feature" which needs a LOT of refining before we accept it.
@@namantherockstar You don't need a professional mic, as most are wayyy overpriced. Look at YT vids of mics under 100$ for some good Cheaper ones to get the most bang for your buck.
@@mikeycrackson I'd take those screw-in connectors over these, any day. At least then, the worst thing that would happen was that the stud would also screw out and you'd have to spend 10 seconds putting it back in. I've had DP cables with the locking tabs so poorly designed that I feared breaking the port with how hard I had to pull to get them out.
My only displayport male connector doesn't have any problems, i love locking connectors and the displayport implementation for it does work, even though it would be better perhaps if they used the more traditional style(mini fit jr style), VGA+DVI with the screw locking are also nice but less convenient to work than DP and i absolutely hate HDMI.
I can't stand dp locking, in my experience it is always a nuisance. Not really sure what the benefit of it is. If someone trips over the cable, do you want it to pull your computer/monitor down, or the cable to release? Other than this scenario, what does a lock matter?
I bought a Samsung G9 that ended up having a borked cable included with it. Thankfully I had spares to quickly test and confirm, but it is disappointing to see that it was maybe not a one-off case. For such pricy, quality products you would think a cable would the last thing they would skimp on. I wonder how many RMAs happened because people assumed the monitor was to blame for flicker and no signal.
same sh1t, bought 4k 144hz g7 and it was going dark and disconnecting for a second some times( though it was monitor, but glad I had a spare DP cable and there was 0 issues with that)
I have a Samsung odyssey g7 32" and have been using the cable that came with.... But now I'm concerned, which cable should I buy to replace the Samsung
I had a Samsung cable for my g9 oddysey neo that I suspect was broken. The screen would randomly go black for a second or two. Then I bought a new cable from Amazon that made the problem go away. LTT should get people to send in their Samsung DP cables because I suspect this is a widespread issue.
This is ridiculous, my reply that I also would love to see longer cables gets deleted. There was also a recommendation for a specific recommendation for a repeater which is DisplayPort 1.4 from a known brand with 3D in it’s name. And this stupid *** bot is still there!
Belkin never failed me even at the 15+ meter points, thus far. They do start pricing them way higher once you go anywhere further than 8 or 10, though.
Really hope they do this with USB cables. So many will kind of work in regards to power/speed past 10ft but not deliver up to spec. Hope they really expand this series and testing with labs.
Funny how recently I had problems with my new monitor where it would go blank for a second mid game and I didn't have the nerve to look into it yet. You you just gave me the solution in your "link training" segment. Thanks and keep the good work up guys
Thanks Samsung for providing us with one of the two cables, that failed. Also thanks Samsung for sponsoring today's video. LTT has just gained one point of reputation ^^
I've had so many bad DP cables from Dell, it's good to know that the included cables often fail. That Samsung cable looked suspiciously similar to the Dell cables.
What's really nice about this video is I bought the silkland 6.6 foot display port cable off of amazon way back in the beginning of 2022 and I was glad to see that it passed all of it's tests! Glad I don't need Jeffrey to give me my money back
What I learned from this: Even cables matter, "A cable is a cable" just isn't true. But also, for now just go displayport, there versions make sense and its cables are actually what they say.
@@mrpink96 Yeah very true, but that was often general consensus. Remember what people think here is more techy then most. I am gonna edit what I said though, as it may have sounded misleading
I can confirm these findings...I use the DP cable that came with my Samsung Odyssey G7 and once in a while for seemingly no reason the signal drops out...and sometimes so badly that the monitor goes to sleep and never detects the signal again without rebooting the monitor. I assumed it was a bug in the monitor or GPU, but this makes me think I need to go try a better cable...
Would be nice to see a greater investigation into the cables provided by monitor manufactures, especially the cables that come with G-Sync and FreeSync displays.
Yeah cause I think the DP cable that came with my ASUS monitor is causing my monitor to flash on/off with Gsync turned on. It DOESN'T DO IT WITH GSYNC OFF EITHER. Only when it's turned on. I think it's the fuckin cable, this entire time I thought my GPU's drivers were corrupt even though I already wiped it with DDU.
Video cable quality has really been something that hasn’t gotten it’s share of media attention over the last 10 years and manufacturers have used that to their advantage. The thing is, anyone with a PC monitor or TV use them one way or another. I know my mileage has certainly varied with HDMI and DP cables regardless of whether they came with a display, or from a computer store where the packaging consisted mostly of snake oil. Thank you so much for starting this new series. It will hold manufacturers to account, and it may bring tech journalism a bit closer to people who aren’t tech savvy.
Ive been watching you since I was a child building my first PC. You have taught me so much useful and useless stuff, I know you spoke about video burnout but im sure most of your fans appreciate all the work you and your team puts in for non guaranteed income in a way. Thanks linus!
Any chance of testing audio cables? It is such a mess to figure out what is worth spending extra on and to what extend. Reviews are so often completely based on experience/what the cable seems to do to the sound which is not quite useless but also not far from it. Maybe a project for the lab?
@@NovemberOrWhatever Well given it is an analog signal the story could be quite different from digital cables like HDMI/DP cables. I'm sure it would affect the signal, the question is just whether it is worth worrying about.
@@jadoei13 Due to the analogue nature, testing more than continuity would require very different equipment. Stuff like impedance, reactance, shielding, quality of the contact, etc. are much more important.
Mic level signals are so low that they are basically signal antennas and need good proper shielding. The actual conductor part of connectors having low resistance, gold-plating. A lot of TS/TRS/TRRS connectors themselves go bad, the conducting pins become loose or the cable wires snap-off near solder joints (SOME connectors offer cable compression holder at the price of size). Using the proper gauge cable for the application length and signal-level. Thicker cables "absorb" voltage so using powered speaker cables for Mics is really bad. What i have experienced is that audio industry is based more on marketing than actual facts, seen optical toslink cables having the shell gold-plated for "Better Audio Quality", digital signal over optical link having gold-plated housing? WTF?
@@Geerice Yeah I realised that while I was typing it, which is why I added the bit about the lab. At the same time it might be outside of their usual audiance to the point that it isn't worth it. It's just something I recently ran into while trying to find a pair of XLR cables to connect my headphone amp/dac.
The $1000 hdmi cable was the first video I watched of yours, and it was downhill since then for me. Fell in love with tech and glad to see this come full circle.
I work at one of the top IT-companies in the world and we have the same problem, even if we buy the premium products. So, so many of the cables just don't "really" work.
Yep, this and the hdmi cable test was extremely interesting, very happy that you did this, once and for all showing what might be the issue for many customers and that its more simple than you might think Got this happening with a longer DP cable a while back myself, but yep, it was a OEM cable, when buying a proper one instead, it has been working fine for over a year now without any glitches or random black screens
Thank you so much! I requested this video in your last edition's comments and it is so cool to see that you are reading!!! (and yeahhh I know I know it probably wasn't just my comment but its still awesome!)
I suspect you didn't check whether pin 20 of those cables is wired or not. It's the one thing that can go very wrong, and the cable I got from Amazon a few years ago had it wired, and it was a cause of problems. One of which was that the PC could fail to power on at all, with a diagnostic LED being lit on the motherboard even with the PSU unplugged! Because yes, pin 20 is for power, and things can go wrong when both ends send power through it, or worse things can happen when one end is not sending power. For a moment, I thought my PC was toast, which I heard is a possible outcome, but thankfully it was not.
Just discovered this on one of mine. Wifi card was always powered (even with PSU off), and graphics card power warning LED would briefly flash on boot. Thankfully it appears no real damage occured.
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Cool study. I'd like to see LMG hire a statistician or data scientist that can help design these experiments and benchmarks. For example, a lot of your past videos have mentioned two competing products to be within "margin of error" but are you really sure that the two products are not different? In this case, I would have run a positive and negative control to make sure the machine is working. In addition, all tests have a false positive and false negative rate, and it would be helpful to get sensitivity and specificity figures for your data. It's possible that the machine has a high false positive rate for DisplayPort cables, but we have no way of knowing with the current data.
You should totally test PCIE riser cables next. Especially both Gen 3 and 4 to measure signal integrity when running higher speeds such as gen 4 on older Gen 3 cables. Just an idea.
We've been using Comprehensive Cables at work for all our multimedia installs, and have had really good luck with them so far. would love to see them tested at some point to see if they really hold up, especially since we're stuck at 1080p for now due to the cost of projectors
This was a very informative video! I walked away from the HDMI video not really understanding what the actionable take away should be. But this video has two take aways for me: I should opt for DP over HDMI when possible for the reliability, and my new monitor occasionally turning off and then on could likely be the bundled DP cable. Thanks LTT!
Awesome video! I have always followed the motto of using the cord included with the device as I know for -sure- it has been tested and qualified with the device. Honestly, if they aren't going to include quality cables they should just not include them at all. It's just e-waste and makes their product look bad.
I love this type of testing content. Suggestion on how to expand this content in the future, once the lab is up and running: 1. Add a standardized ware & tear test (plug & unplug, bend etc. like a 1000 times with a robotic jig). 2. Impact of interference (power cable run alongside, powerbrick next to it etc.)
Thank you for this 4:42 Now I know If I used something like an adapter that has output DisplayPort to the input HDMI, This will force and change, could possibly damage the HDMI Input power design that's going into the Monitor or TV set, it may damage it. Think it's just best to keep it simple and just use the Right Port output Design to work only with the Same input Monitor or TV's using the same DisplayPort design.
I've always felt the DisplayPort standard must have been inherently flawed in some way that created majorly non-durable cables. I've also had Thunderbolt 2 cables (from apple) fail after not much use or strain which is definitely not the case with any of my USB-C connector thunderbolt 3 cables. I've just ended up going with "VESA Certified" DisplayPort cables in the recent past because I've had the most luck with those.
Ditto on the "VESA Certified" cables. Used to think having the "|D" mark on the cable automatically meant they were VESA Certified, but I looked up the P/N of the cables that came with my HP monitors, every single one of which gave me drop-outs once MST was involved, and they weren't on their list.
Well most people use the cables included in the box with their monitors which all failed. I bought a Dell gaming monitor and at 10 bits 165 Hz it occasionally flickers off. Now I know why
Great timing LTT! Just setup my new Odyssey G7 S28 and could explain the occasional odd issue I've seen since switching the cables from my own hdmi 2.1 to the dp cable Samsung included. Never used dp before but know they can be finnicky, figured the included cable looked decent quality & even says 8k on the tab so it must be good right? Ha, serves me right! Ordered a replacement & going back to the 2.1 cable til then lol. Cheers Linus👍
I had one of those Faulty cables that dropped link speed in the past. Bought a monitor, tried to set up 144hz, wouldnt take, kept dropping back down. Updated drivers, reseated card, unplugged replugged cables nothing worked. Finally in defeat opted to try a different cable and BOOM! worked flawless and saved my sanity.
Thank you LTT for doing informative videos like this! I LOVE you guys testing cables and GN testing PSUs and fans (soon!) ****Please keep doing these generationally!!****
Recently I bought the silkland DP 1.4 6ft cable from Amazon as the previous 3 ft one that I used was constantly causing flickering issues. I noticed that there was tension on the 3 ft cable and it had those locking tabs at the end of the cable which made me think maybe it's not connecting properly to the GPU. So I bought the silkland cable and everything is going good without any issues. Also the Intel gpus have DP 2?? Damn imagine paying $2k for a 4090 and not getting DP 2 🤡
Please keep doing this!!!! If you can do in depth testing on audio cables, you WILL make waves. Specifically RCAs and speaker cables. It's insane how many wild varieties of just simple speaker cable have been made. There are so many deceptive overstatements to justify absurd prices, and I think the audiophile community is suffering for it. Help us out, LTT!
There is no specification for a analog cables to test for. Analog stuff is inherently messy and gets complicated quickly. Especially speaker cables that carry high current over long distances (which should be avoided).
A quick thought: DP problems aren't always the cable's fault. I have a Dell U2711 and it has a notorious fault with DP not waking up the screen when you turn it off and on again. It actually needs a power cycle to turn on properly. This is mediated by using a cable where (if I recall correctly) pin 19 isn't connected. I believe it is the issue Linus talks about with DP_POWER being connected. The fact that these cables ar readily available tells me that there is more monitors with this issue.
Been using Belkin for nearly 10 years by now. Best quality of shielding, coating, braiding. Also very stable signal with no drops, and decent prices (up to 10 meters).
Had an issue recently running 2 monitors (side with HDMI main with DP) where signal on the main would cut out for a couple seconds, but only at 144hz ddespite being a brand new cable and everything being compatible. Turns out VESA certified cables are wired a little different than non certified where the #20 pin acts as an extra power wire on VESA certified cables, so incase anyone running into that issue check your cable
Uhm, no, it should be the opposite. You should always buy VESA certified cables to avoid issues, that's what I've gleamed from this and other people's reports. I think you have your info backwards. NON VESA can have the power pin wired.
Good info to have, I find it hard to believe that all of your cables from tab one passed though. I must have bad luck then, out of the many display port 1.4 cables I have purchased over the years not one gave me a smooth experience without dropout for my ultrawide display. I was so fed up that I went to display port's website researched a reasonably priced display port certified cable and purchased one of those. Haven't had any more dropout issues since. I'd be curious to see if use over time has an effect?
My assumption here is that manufacturers are essentially using the exact same cables for both HDMI and DP. But the lower frequency of the DP standard makes it easier for those cables to meet spec. It would make a lot of sense from a manufacturing cost perspective.
"Those locking tabs [...] they are nice to have though" NO THEY ARE NOT! Outside of broadcast use where locking connectors are a must, those tabbed mother effers are the worst thing to happen to a cable in a long time. Trying to remove a cable from a monitor with those tabs is HELL and puts unnecessary strain on the ports in the monitor. I buy cables exclusively without them now. They're awful. xD
I disagree. Maybe the tabs on the cables you have are garbage, or you are trying to unplug it like an HDMI cable. Anecdotally, I have ZERO issues with the tabs unplugging every other day and I know the cables are always securely connected. Besides outside of a “broadcast” use, most people aren’t unplugging often.
OMG Samsung sponsering a video and was edited to go to it as soon as Linus said the Samsung bundled cables are probably bad quality! How great is that props to whoever edited this one boys.
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I don't want to wait till the end and then forget to comment but hopefully this video includes some full size DisplayPort to mini DisplayPort. I don't recall in the HDMI video any usb-c to HDMI cables being tested and when we're talking about computers it seems relevant considering so many laptops and even video cards have miniature versions
One niche type of cable i'd like to see tested are the USB-C to displayport or hdmi cables. I tested a few from amazon and only had luck with one from cable matters so far so this might make a spicier episode. Not that my "test" equipment is valid, either it worked on my screen or it didn't!
4:41 - Small clarification: With newer HDMI standards (HDMI 2.0 and above?), they do actually use the "Clock" pair to send data, so they could get the full 18 Gbps, and now up about 48 Gbps. As always, the manufacturers still keep making cable standards that don't have quite enough wires for future-proofing. (here's looking at you, USB. lol) So they had to find lots of workarounds to make the faster HDMI standards work with older style cables. The amount of bandwidth they have now is staggering, considering how cheaply made a lot of the cables are.
I am surprised they all passed the test. I recently bought a DP 1.4 Switch and it would just produce no signal with some cables and flickering with other cables, sometimes the flickering would go away after some time as the bandwidth was negotiated and then I only had 8bit and 4:2:2. My first instinct was to point to the Displayport 1.4 switch but after trying 3 of these with the same results, I ruled them out. I wasn't even stressing these cables, going 2560x1440, 165hz and 10bit, which is 21,9Gbps, which is just 0,3Gbps more than Displayport 1.2 can handle. All the cables promised Displayport 1.4 full bandwidth and they were brand new, also there were brands like Premiumcord that I trusted and use cables from all the time. Then I went with two Startech cables (both VESA certified and in this case more than double the price of the other brands, I would advise to triple check if they are actually VESA certified, there are a lot of scammers on amazon with false info about that). And boom, no problems at all anymore. As a bonus I get lifetime warranty on these cables! The biggest joke is: The Startech cables are the thinnest cables of them all and they are the only ones with no problems whatsoever. Amazon was probably pretty happy that I returned like 8 cables to them but I'm sorry, there were even supposedly Displayport 2.0 cables there with 80Gbps advertised and all I got was flickering. I kept the three switches as I didn't want to punish the sellers for a product that works as advertised, but the cables were all a joke and I think I rightfully sent them back.
The bundled Samsung cable failing followed by a Samsung end-roll read was high comedy. Thank you.
Same, I genuinely cackled
Came here to say the same 🤣
Same
That's how you know they ain't shills
haha, that was hilarious😂
It's so necessary to do this with cables to see who is being honest and who's not. No one really wanted to do it, so it's good LTT has been able to turn this absolutely labor-intensive process into a highly requested series and entertaining videos.
That's why I watched and threw a like. Ya, it's boring stuff to do, but the community needs this to be done. Cables are something we assume to work because it's not hard to do, yet someone will always want to take advantage of our trust.
Yea, I mean we need some sort of universal cable standard, that would be great for consumers and manufacturers to know what they need to do. Oh... wait... they tried that and totally screwed it up. 🤦♂
Yep. I have wasted so much money and returned so many cables over the years. The last monitor I got came with a cable that couldn’t even output 10 bit color. Then my TV hdmi cord set that i bought especially for when i upgrade to a 4k TV later couldn’t even output 4k reliably once I upgraded. It’s complete BS.
I agree
Up until cable companies start pulling an Adata and remaking their sku's after they receive good reviews
This is going to be my favorite series in LTT, next to scrapyard wars. Test all the cables!
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Okay, that's two bonuses for Displayport.
1, their version numbers still mean something.
2, the cables are surprisingly reliable!
And I’ve yet to see a locking HDMI connector.
@@Pseudoswede I used to have one (sorta), wasn't as solid of a locking mechanism and you stiffly had to squeeze the top and bottom of the connector head. DP locks are much better
I find it pretty funny that 1 of the 2 cables that failed was bundled with a monitor from Samsung, the video sponsor.
I definitely hit the comments to find the first one that said this. You win.
yo moga
Is that really you?
To be fair I wouldn’t buy Samsung anything anymore. They make decent displays but you can normally find better from other manufacturers.
XD but that fail could be just wear, or just a defective one, who knows. All my monitors are DP (I have one on DVI because the 1060 just have 2 DP) and one cable was damage because the tension, I got a new onw of 3m instead 1,8m.
Want to find a LOT of failures? Test out the DP->HDMI and HDMI->DP converters. Those have absolutely been more fail than pass whenever trying to connect newer computers to older monitors, or elsewise. A *constant* cause of headaches at work.
I had one DP->HDMI converter, that failed on me after about 3 months later.
I had a hdmi to DP that worked with xbox series x (lg monitor) but not with ps5 on an acer predator monitor. my theory is that my lg had some whatever hd cp technology that allowed it. but it actually worked with the ps5 HOWEVER when i booted a game that supported 120 hz, the screen would just black out. when turning it to resolution mode, it didn't. weird right?
They suck.
I have one of this because my screen is on VGA/HDMI but my graphics card is Display port
i have a DVI to display portadapter i havent had it for long but it works nice for now
The group in charge of display port standards and certification should be pretty proud of this. This kind of reliability across manufacturers is impressive.
And the fact that their naming scheme makes sense
Stop, you guys are gonna jinx it.
Is it? Or is that your hyperbolic reaction to watching this LTT video?
Yeah, I was a big HDMI fanboy until this whole HDMI 2.1 garbage.
After that I was considering switching to DP where possible.
But now after seeing this video, I know DP is the way to go.
HDMI went full in on marketing scheme based on scammers playbook.
I’m guessing USB-C cables are next in line for Total Phase-based scrutiny. Still, I’m really enjoying these cable-verification videos.
LTT: he knows too much
This or ethernet
maybe thunderbolt? if the cable tester has that option
@@majoryoshi Ethernet cable’s wouldn’t really make sense to test though
Definitely need to see USB-C cables and a throughout explanation of all the modes in which they can operate
You're doing gods work with this series, and I love it.
Please make more breaking minecraft videos
Based AntVenom
@@derwinralph1893 no
Linus is stupid clickbait ads, Canadian refugees, needing Asian crap!
Asian Gods?
No way, It's AntVenom!
6:52 "I'm not calling it that."
My hero. Thanks for continuously holding standardizing organizations to...standards, Linus!
"Wow this Samsung cable failed our test!"
"This video was brought to you by Samsung"
I was looking for this comment 🤣🤣🤣
Looks like somebody at Samsung will have some talks to do with their cable suppliers.
Ironic
cables != all Samsung production...and i doubt that Samsung manufacture them
Lessons I learned between this and the HDMI video:
-Display port is better than HDMI
-Never buy 25' display port
-Never buy Monoprice cables
-HDMI is good at 6', sketchy at 10'+
-Infinite Cables is top quality and bottom price
-Amazon Basics is fine enough quality at ok pricing.
-All the cables I own are garbage but at least I have ancient technology so are fine for the time being.
you can go longer than 25" you just need a expensive fiberoptic cable.
Pretty much, yeah.
@@psionx1 I use 50ft at work at the time. You just need not garbage cables.
They are mostly thicker then a finger.
@@psionx1 Yes, but we haven't seen these tested yet either. More niche but still would help folks looking at them for reasons like putting the computer in a different room.
It's more like HDMI 2.1 specifically is garbage
Linus: "the included samsung cable failed."
Linus 10 seconds later: "today's video is brought to you by Samsung"
This is one of the big reasons I like LTT so much. Sponsor dollars don't dictate the info you share.
Yeah Linus literally was like, "any other new cable is better than your samsung cable, by the way samsung paid me to say that" LMAO
they dont give a shit if he says some cable is cheap so long as he promotes you their new tv and that will make you buy it next time he makes "omg samsing monitor so good"
@@99Plastics because the monitor is good...? linus is truth based is what the comment was saying and not easily bought with money
@@Foxfady facts, I have a Samsung 4K monitor that’s 99% accurate in adobe rgb. It’s fucking immaculate. And it wasn’t even one he recommended. Samsung can make some pretty damn amazing monitors and tvs.
@@imoffendedthatyouareoffended
They can also make some pretty bad ones XD.
When i was buying for my previous monitor (which was Samsung), i got a Samsung one that i had to refund because it made my eyes hurt really bad and really quick, the image was good in both colour and speed, but it did something that caused those really bad side effects.
And i'm accustomed to being in front of a pc screen for long periods of time, so that i couldn't bear it for more than 15 mins is a really bad sign.
The previous and the next monitors to that problematic one were also Samsung tho, generally they really know how to tune the pixel overdrive modes.
But in the end i ended with a 144hz Asus monitor. :)
That explains why my Odyssey G9 keeps flickering off then on for me and it just happens that a bundled Samsung cable failed for you guys. I thought it was my 5700. I'll have to buy a new cable then! Thanks for this one!
My Acer Predator started flickering about a year and a half ago. I think it's the cable, especially after this video (10ft DP since I use a standing desk). Seems like shorter is better across all cables!
Apparently this is a widespread issue with the G9 and the G7 included cables if the comments are to be believed here. LTT Or Gamers Nexus should do an investigative piece on this imo.
Same here, Samsung Neo G9 and included cable is completely f'd. Blackscreen with Nvidia every 20-30 secs @ 240Hz. 120Hz was fine as long as i didn't go into 10 bit / HDR. Bought a longer 7ft Club3D one, no more issues. Samsung has become so bad value and quality lately in the 49" monitor space because there is just no competition.
I've seen many complains about the G9 bundled cable to the point that whenever I see someone complaining about G9 flickering I can bet that there's a comment somewhere blaming the bundled cable.. And it works in like 99% of times that just replacing the cable will fix the issue.
I had the exact same issue with my Odyssey and a 5700XT !
Switched to a 6900XT and the issues got worse with FreeSync not working anymore.
Bought a DP Cable as my last resort and it fixed both issues permanently :)
In a work environment where I'm dealing with thousands of each type, I find myself preferring HDMI because it either works or it doesn't. The DP cables renegotiating signal is a huge pain. For example, a monitor randomly going black for a few seconds then coming back up. Users will often deal with the issue for a while until it annoys them enough to contact the IT department. As opposed to an HDMI cable where their screen goes black and stays black and instead of contacting us, they'll grab a spare HDMI cable and try replacing it on their own.
Also when a cable is clearly dead peolpe will throw them away, when cables kind of work they end up getting stashed and used again to cause issues.
Makes sense for that kind of environment. You want everyone to be working or clearly not working. Diagnosing an issue is time and money. As an individual user, I definitely prefer DP.
Yeah, I can get that. Our firm's IT seems to prefer DP, but I think that's at least partly due to the lack of HDMI ports on the graphics cards they kit our designer machines with (usually only 1 as opposed to 3 DP, whereas most consumer cards have 1 DP and 3 HDMI).
@@pmackni true. We have mini desktops that have 3 DP ports only. But then we have Dell laptops that only have HDMI. Sometimes we use DP to HDMI adapters in special cases where a new DP run would take a while to be replaced and just need the blinking to go away.
HDMI? You like those low framerates? I have never had a DisplayPort cable not work.
He really wasn’t kidding when he said he’ll start testing cables
@Pikachu1 Neat! Now become a convertible.
An astute observation
to be fair, cables can really kill a project and Apple outright figured out you'd make way more selling cables back before even the power pc phase. $80 cables.
Shout out to the graphics dept. the DP and HDMI explainer was great.
Ethernet cables are next to test
As an electrical engineer, I love that this channel tells me everything and doesn't leave out information. I'm probably a minority who cares about the exact details, but I appreciate it
I also care about the details even though I don't understand them all. At least it's there for any kind of reference!
Seeing the extra details over and over again you slowly start to pick up on it
It looked like full of details but not completely perfect. It have some shitty information between them. For me, i'm not taken all words from tech TH-camr easily either from jayz, linus or even GN especially, etc. LMAO
@Plumokin I'm a little surprised as an EE you missed the flub-up @ 9:27 about continuity (it's funny too because @ 9:10 he got it right)
Details are important. Oversimplification, even when you don't care about the details, feels like being treated like a child. It's much better to have them and let the viewer decide if they care or not.
This is probably my favorite ongoing series from LMG. This type of testing from somebody as huge as these is a HUGE boon for the tech enthusiast community. Can't wait for more testing from different stuff as it comes along.
That part about the extra power pin on cheap DP cables is no joke. I had a couple that literally electrified my chassis and I got shocked several times by those little shits before I figured out what was going on. Fortunately they didn't fry any of the equipment (the PCs or hopefully mine) in the process. VESA certified cables are worth it.
So what kind of dp cable do you recommend? The VESA certified ones?
@@bigdoggo5827 Yep to my understanding anything VESA certified should be 19 pin and not shocky/shorty time
aint no way the able is what shocked you. its max voltage is only 16v. chances are it was a short from something else shorting onto the display port connector
I would really like a kind of calculator, where your put in your desired resolution, refresh rate and color depth and it tells you which cable would be optimal. This would drastically simplify the buying decision.
Now THAT sounds like a good coding project.
Also probably desired length of the cable would be a good point
I would like 1152×900 at 4000 pixels per meter, 60 frames per second, and 32 bits per pixel with 8 bits per sRGB channel.
This is a really good preview of what the LTT lab (LTTL? Palindrome?) will be like! Can't wait for this sort of extensive testing on everything!
USB C cables would be REALLY interesting to test, considering just how varied and different in both performance and advertised capabilities this cable standard has!
Yeah, I would love to see if the cables actually hold up to the new "USB4.a3 Gen 62.z Rev. a.2 Ver. 2025"
Yayy, thank you for making this one - and thanks for including my comment!! That was super cool :D
I would also love to see durability testing on cables, although I expect that would be more something for the lab. In my experience some brands of cables tend work fine when new but have a horrible failure rate. I have mostly noticed this with Amazon Basics, I bought a few of their HDMI, display port, usb, and ethernet cables several years ago, out of 9 cables only 2 still work today and most of those that failed did so in less then 2 years of use. This is just around my home and office, it is not a harsh environment. Out of the 50+ other random cheap cables that I own I've only had 5 failures in the last 15 years. Needless to say, I no longer buy Amazon Basics cables.
I want Linus to say the locking tabs are "nice to have" when he's trying to disengage them. About 75% of the time across a variety of brands, I have found that they do not fully disengage. It's a "feature" which needs a LOT of refining before we accept it.
@@namantherockstar You don't need a professional mic, as most are wayyy overpriced. Look at YT vids of mics under 100$ for some good Cheaper ones to get the most bang for your buck.
@@mikeycrackson I'd take those screw-in connectors over these, any day. At least then, the worst thing that would happen was that the stud would also screw out and you'd have to spend 10 seconds putting it back in. I've had DP cables with the locking tabs so poorly designed that I feared breaking the port with how hard I had to pull to get them out.
My only displayport male connector doesn't have any problems, i love locking connectors and the displayport implementation for it does work, even though it would be better perhaps if they used the more traditional style(mini fit jr style), VGA+DVI with the screw locking are also nice but less convenient to work than DP and i absolutely hate HDMI.
@@namantherockstar how are they your inspiration? You don't even do tech videos
I can't stand dp locking, in my experience it is always a nuisance. Not really sure what the benefit of it is. If someone trips over the cable, do you want it to pull your computer/monitor down, or the cable to release? Other than this scenario, what does a lock matter?
I bought a Samsung G9 that ended up having a borked cable included with it. Thankfully I had spares to quickly test and confirm, but it is disappointing to see that it was maybe not a one-off case. For such pricy, quality products you would think a cable would the last thing they would skimp on. I wonder how many RMAs happened because people assumed the monitor was to blame for flicker and no signal.
same sh1t, bought 4k 144hz g7 and it was going dark and disconnecting for a second some times( though it was monitor, but glad I had a spare DP cable and there was 0 issues with that)
Why bother giving good cables when can give them the OEM bin trash they all share.
I have a Samsung odyssey g7 32" and have been using the cable that came with....
But now I'm concerned, which cable should I buy to replace the Samsung
I had a Samsung cable for my g9 oddysey neo that I suspect was broken. The screen would randomly go black for a second or two. Then I bought a new cable from Amazon that made the problem go away.
LTT should get people to send in their Samsung DP cables because I suspect this is a widespread issue.
@@batzraph708 if its working then dont change anything, just keep it in your mind if something goes wrong
I'd like to see these comparisons done with cables that are 5m, 10m and upwards. Maybe also testing how active repeaters improve the signal.
This is ridiculous, my reply that I also would love to see longer cables gets deleted. There was also a recommendation for a specific recommendation for a repeater which is DisplayPort 1.4 from a known brand with 3D in it’s name. And this stupid *** bot is still there!
Belkin never failed me even at the 15+ meter points, thus far. They do start pricing them way higher once you go anywhere further than 8 or 10, though.
@@Kawayolnyo Is that active, or still a passive cable?
Really hope they do this with USB cables. So many will kind of work in regards to power/speed past 10ft but not deliver up to spec. Hope they really expand this series and testing with labs.
Funny how recently I had problems with my new monitor where it would go blank for a second mid game and I didn't have the nerve to look into it yet. You you just gave me the solution in your "link training" segment. Thanks and keep the good work up guys
I LOVED the scene at 8:11 of Plouffe and Colin handshaking!!! That was awesome!
Thanks Samsung for providing us with one of the two cables, that failed.
Also thanks Samsung for sponsoring today's video.
LTT has just gained one point of reputation ^^
Samsung: is the manufacturer of the only failing cable.
Also samsung: is sponsor of the video.
Is this why their g7 monitors have qa issues?
To be fair they probably didn't manufacture it, but they did bundle it. Not really redeeming though.
I've had so many bad DP cables from Dell, it's good to know that the included cables often fail. That Samsung cable looked suspiciously similar to the Dell cables.
it most likely is the same one, just with different logos
Yeah I was thinking in was my rtx 3070 fe it’s probably the supplied cable for my dell s2721q
Yeah same here. ALL my included with Dell monitors DP cables failed. All of them.
What cable did you end up buying as a replacement? Im going to buy the s2522hg.
and mine failed after 1 month of use, shit samsung
Just moved. Getting new cables. Remembered this video somehow. Looked it up after second Amazon search. Thank you.
What's really nice about this video is I bought the silkland 6.6 foot display port cable off of amazon way back in the beginning of 2022 and I was glad to see that it passed all of it's tests! Glad I don't need Jeffrey to give me my money back
What I learned from this: Even cables matter, "A cable is a cable" just isn't true.
But also, for now just go displayport, there versions make sense and its cables are actually what they say.
I dont think that phrase was ever true. Cable quality has ALWAYS mattered.
@@mrpink96 Yeah very true, but that was often general consensus. Remember what people think here is more techy then most.
I am gonna edit what I said though, as it may have sounded misleading
I would have gone display port but none of my monitors have DP input :(
@@dawn-blade HIGH chance your cable is faulty, there are many other commenters talking about the Odyssey and it's faulty cables!
I can confirm these findings...I use the DP cable that came with my Samsung Odyssey G7 and once in a while for seemingly no reason the signal drops out...and sometimes so badly that the monitor goes to sleep and never detects the signal again without rebooting the monitor. I assumed it was a bug in the monitor or GPU, but this makes me think I need to go try a better cable...
Would be nice to see a greater investigation into the cables provided by monitor manufactures, especially the cables that come with G-Sync and FreeSync displays.
@@dawn-blade are there any display port cables that support 240hz at 4k? or do you know of any? if not what about 144 or 165hz at 4k?
Yeah cause I think the DP cable that came with my ASUS monitor is causing my monitor to flash on/off with Gsync turned on. It DOESN'T DO IT WITH GSYNC OFF EITHER. Only when it's turned on. I think it's the fuckin cable, this entire time I thought my GPU's drivers were corrupt even though I already wiped it with DDU.
Video cable quality has really been something that hasn’t gotten it’s share of media attention over the last 10 years and manufacturers have used that to their advantage. The thing is, anyone with a PC monitor or TV use them one way or another. I know my mileage has certainly varied with HDMI and DP cables regardless of whether they came with a display, or from a computer store where the packaging consisted mostly of snake oil.
Thank you so much for starting this new series. It will hold manufacturers to account, and it may bring tech journalism a bit closer to people who aren’t tech savvy.
Ive been watching you since I was a child building my first PC. You have taught me so much useful and useless stuff, I know you spoke about video burnout but im sure most of your fans appreciate all the work you and your team puts in for non guaranteed income in a way. Thanks linus!
Any chance of testing audio cables? It is such a mess to figure out what is worth spending extra on and to what extend. Reviews are so often completely based on experience/what the cable seems to do to the sound which is not quite useless but also not far from it. Maybe a project for the lab?
I think the current belief is that audio cables have no impact on quality and the only requirement is continuity. But I could be wrong
@@NovemberOrWhatever Well given it is an analog signal the story could be quite different from digital cables like HDMI/DP cables. I'm sure it would affect the signal, the question is just whether it is worth worrying about.
@@jadoei13 Due to the analogue nature, testing more than continuity would require very different equipment. Stuff like impedance, reactance, shielding, quality of the contact, etc. are much more important.
Mic level signals are so low that they are basically signal antennas and need good proper shielding.
The actual conductor part of connectors having low resistance, gold-plating.
A lot of TS/TRS/TRRS connectors themselves go bad, the conducting pins become loose or the cable wires snap-off near solder joints (SOME connectors offer cable compression holder at the price of size).
Using the proper gauge cable for the application length and signal-level. Thicker cables "absorb" voltage so using powered speaker cables for Mics is really bad.
What i have experienced is that audio industry is based more on marketing than actual facts, seen optical toslink cables having the shell gold-plated for "Better Audio Quality", digital signal over optical link having gold-plated housing? WTF?
@@Geerice Yeah I realised that while I was typing it, which is why I added the bit about the lab. At the same time it might be outside of their usual audiance to the point that it isn't worth it. It's just something I recently ran into while trying to find a pair of XLR cables to connect my headphone amp/dac.
The $1000 hdmi cable was the first video I watched of yours, and it was downhill since then for me. Fell in love with tech and glad to see this come full circle.
I feel like downhill is the wrong word to use friend. Lol
But I'm glad to see someone finding a new passion in technology ❤️
I work at one of the top IT-companies in the world and we have the same problem, even if we buy the premium products. So, so many of the cables just don't "really" work.
@@namantherockstar just buy your own mic... Like a job will pay enough for that pretty quick...
Yep, this and the hdmi cable test was extremely interesting, very happy that you did this, once and for all showing what might be the issue for many customers and that its more simple than you might think
Got this happening with a longer DP cable a while back myself, but yep, it was a OEM cable, when buying a proper one instead, it has been working fine for over a year now without any glitches or random black screens
Thank you so much! I requested this video in your last edition's comments and it is so cool to see that you are reading!!! (and yeahhh I know I know it probably wasn't just my comment but its still awesome!)
I suspect you didn't check whether pin 20 of those cables is wired or not. It's the one thing that can go very wrong, and the cable I got from Amazon a few years ago had it wired, and it was a cause of problems. One of which was that the PC could fail to power on at all, with a diagnostic LED being lit on the motherboard even with the PSU unplugged! Because yes, pin 20 is for power, and things can go wrong when both ends send power through it, or worse things can happen when one end is not sending power. For a moment, I thought my PC was toast, which I heard is a possible outcome, but thankfully it was not.
Just discovered this on one of mine. Wifi card was always powered (even with PSU off), and graphics card power warning LED would briefly flash on boot. Thankfully it appears no real damage occured.
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Cool study. I'd like to see LMG hire a statistician or data scientist that can help design these experiments and benchmarks. For example, a lot of your past videos have mentioned two competing products to be within "margin of error" but are you really sure that the two products are not different? In this case, I would have run a positive and negative control to make sure the machine is working. In addition, all tests have a false positive and false negative rate, and it would be helpful to get sensitivity and specificity figures for your data. It's possible that the machine has a high false positive rate for DisplayPort cables, but we have no way of knowing with the current data.
You should totally test PCIE riser cables next. Especially both Gen 3 and 4 to measure signal integrity when running higher speeds such as gen 4 on older Gen 3 cables. Just an idea.
Did Linus deliberately misread Alexa at around 10:42 to avoid triggering people's smart devices?
Yess
We've been using Comprehensive Cables at work for all our multimedia installs, and have had really good luck with them so far. would love to see them tested at some point to see if they really hold up, especially since we're stuck at 1080p for now due to the cost of projectors
Would love to see Binary cables being tested as well
This was a very informative video! I walked away from the HDMI video not really understanding what the actionable take away should be. But this video has two take aways for me: I should opt for DP over HDMI when possible for the reliability, and my new monitor occasionally turning off and then on could likely be the bundled DP cable. Thanks LTT!
Awesome video! I have always followed the motto of using the cord included with the device as I know for -sure- it has been tested and qualified with the device. Honestly, if they aren't going to include quality cables they should just not include them at all. It's just e-waste and makes their product look bad.
All these display port cables and bags on the floor give me flash backs of office setup and refresh projects.
I love this type of testing content. Suggestion on how to expand this content in the future, once the lab is up and running: 1. Add a standardized ware & tear test (plug & unplug, bend etc. like a 1000 times with a robotic jig). 2. Impact of interference (power cable run alongside, powerbrick next to it etc.)
HDMI cables when they see the delivery address is LMG: *chuckles I’m in danger.*
Now I'm curious who on the staff tied the CAT5-o-nine tails
That would be me, Colin. Also, it's actually a CAT6-o-9 tails (nice)
@@LinusTechTips I see you're a Tuxedo Jack fan as well :P
Thank you for this 4:42 Now I know If I used something like an adapter that has output DisplayPort to the input HDMI, This will force and change, could possibly damage the HDMI Input power design that's going into the Monitor or TV set, it may damage it. Think it's just best to keep it simple and just use the Right Port output Design to work only with the Same input Monitor or TV's using the same DisplayPort design.
This is like the tech version of what project farm does. I'm loving this series!
I'm getting some IT PTSD from that intro. My boss had a whip for the office just like that. Anyone not being productive got the whip.
I've always felt the DisplayPort standard must have been inherently flawed in some way that created majorly non-durable cables. I've also had Thunderbolt 2 cables (from apple) fail after not much use or strain which is definitely not the case with any of my USB-C connector thunderbolt 3 cables. I've just ended up going with "VESA Certified" DisplayPort cables in the recent past because I've had the most luck with those.
Ditto on the "VESA Certified" cables. Used to think having the "|D" mark on the cable automatically meant they were VESA Certified, but I looked up the P/N of the cables that came with my HP monitors, every single one of which gave me drop-outs once MST was involved, and they weren't on their list.
So bottom line is that most DisplayPort cables should work as expected, not unlike HDMI
Correct,and that is another reason DP is better.
Well most people use the cables included in the box with their monitors which all failed. I bought a Dell gaming monitor and at 10 bits 165 Hz it occasionally flickers off. Now I know why
Great timing LTT! Just setup my new Odyssey G7 S28 and could explain the occasional odd issue I've seen since switching the cables from my own hdmi 2.1 to the dp cable Samsung included. Never used dp before but know they can be finnicky, figured the included cable looked decent quality & even says 8k on the tab so it must be good right? Ha, serves me right! Ordered a replacement & going back to the 2.1 cable til then lol. Cheers Linus👍
I had the EXACT same issue with my G7. Replaced cable and it worked wonders!
I suppose if they are gonna cheapen out anywhere I'd much rather its on the included cable than the panel itself lol.
I had one of those Faulty cables that dropped link speed in the past. Bought a monitor, tried to set up 144hz, wouldnt take, kept dropping back down. Updated drivers, reseated card, unplugged replugged cables nothing worked. Finally in defeat opted to try a different cable and BOOM! worked flawless and saved my sanity.
Thank you LTT for doing informative videos like this! I LOVE you guys testing cables and GN testing PSUs and fans (soon!) ****Please keep doing these generationally!!****
Recently I bought the silkland DP 1.4 6ft cable from Amazon as the previous 3 ft one that I used was constantly causing flickering issues. I noticed that there was tension on the 3 ft cable and it had those locking tabs at the end of the cable which made me think maybe it's not connecting properly to the GPU. So I bought the silkland cable and everything is going good without any issues. Also the Intel gpus have DP 2?? Damn imagine paying $2k for a 4090 and not getting DP 2 🤡
... Not the result I was expecting, given the amount of grief I've had with DisplayPort over the years. Maybe it's time for me to buy new cables.
Please keep doing this!!!! If you can do in depth testing on audio cables, you WILL make waves. Specifically RCAs and speaker cables. It's insane how many wild varieties of just simple speaker cable have been made. There are so many deceptive overstatements to justify absurd prices, and I think the audiophile community is suffering for it. Help us out, LTT!
There is no specification for a analog cables to test for. Analog stuff is inherently messy and gets complicated quickly. Especially speaker cables that carry high current over long distances (which should be avoided).
A quick thought: DP problems aren't always the cable's fault. I have a Dell U2711 and it has a notorious fault with DP not waking up the screen when you turn it off and on again. It actually needs a power cycle to turn on properly.
This is mediated by using a cable where (if I recall correctly) pin 19 isn't connected. I believe it is the issue Linus talks about with DP_POWER being connected.
The fact that these cables ar readily available tells me that there is more monitors with this issue.
That is pin 20 that shouldn't be wired in DP cables. Apparently some DP cable manufacturers ignore this VESA specification.
@@ubik6944 thsts the one. Honestly from what I gathered last time I looked into this, most cables ignore the standard.
Been using Belkin for nearly 10 years by now. Best quality of shielding, coating, braiding. Also very stable signal with no drops, and decent prices (up to 10 meters).
Praise to science!!
@UCSZ849OEzrliz6GmSpBo63Q No. I don’t like Fortnite
Had an issue recently running 2 monitors (side with HDMI main with DP) where signal on the main would cut out for a couple seconds, but only at 144hz ddespite being a brand new cable and everything being compatible. Turns out VESA certified cables are wired a little different than non certified where the #20 pin acts as an extra power wire on VESA certified cables, so incase anyone running into that issue check your cable
Wait so, you fixed it by getting a non-certified cable?
Uhm, no, it should be the opposite. You should always buy VESA certified cables to avoid issues, that's what I've gleamed from this and other people's reports. I think you have your info backwards. NON VESA can have the power pin wired.
So someone at LTT knows how to make a solid flog...
I’m going to start treating linus’ videos like online school but this time, I’ll actually listen to it
I've always held that DisplayPort is a better standard than HDMI. I wish modern TVs had at least 1 DisplayPort port.
I wonder if the cables that brands include with monitors actually send you cables that support the standard its using
na my hdmi 2.1a monitor came with an hdmi 2.1 cable
@@AsbestosMuffins no your HDMI 2.1a monitor came with a HDMI 2.1a* cable
Good info to have, I find it hard to believe that all of your cables from tab one passed though. I must have bad luck then, out of the many display port 1.4 cables I have purchased over the years not one gave me a smooth experience without dropout for my ultrawide display. I was so fed up that I went to display port's website researched a reasonably priced display port certified cable and purchased one of those. Haven't had any more dropout issues since. I'd be curious to see if use over time has an effect?
The grade doesn't matter, but a non-certified cable will mess you up
0:11 Is that a CAT O9 tails?
My assumption here is that manufacturers are essentially using the exact same cables for both HDMI and DP. But the lower frequency of the DP standard makes it easier for those cables to meet spec.
It would make a lot of sense from a manufacturing cost perspective.
2:40 _“The higher the number, the faster it can go. So logical and simple to understand!”_
Now that was a good shade to the USB standard 😂
We can all agree that I Linus never disappoints us with his content
i personally hate him, love everyone else on his staff
"Those locking tabs [...] they are nice to have though" NO THEY ARE NOT! Outside of broadcast use where locking connectors are a must, those tabbed mother effers are the worst thing to happen to a cable in a long time. Trying to remove a cable from a monitor with those tabs is HELL and puts unnecessary strain on the ports in the monitor. I buy cables exclusively without them now. They're awful. xD
I disagree. Maybe the tabs on the cables you have are garbage, or you are trying to unplug it like an HDMI cable. Anecdotally, I have ZERO issues with the tabs unplugging every other day and I know the cables are always securely connected.
Besides outside of a “broadcast” use, most people aren’t unplugging often.
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Now you can test USB-C cables!
I've been having fun finding a 4k 60hz capable PD USB-C cable.
OMG Samsung sponsering a video and was edited to go to it as soon as Linus said the Samsung bundled cables are probably bad quality! How great is that props to whoever edited this one boys.
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I don't want to wait till the end and then forget to comment but hopefully this video includes some full size DisplayPort to mini DisplayPort. I don't recall in the HDMI video any usb-c to HDMI cables being tested and when we're talking about computers it seems relevant considering so many laptops and even video cards have miniature versions
A video on testing Ethernet cables would be amazing. I bought a reel of Cat7 cable that turned out to be Cat3 shielded with a Cat7 sleeve...
Yes! It's been over a month waiting for DisplayPort testing!
One niche type of cable i'd like to see tested are the USB-C to displayport or hdmi cables. I tested a few from amazon and only had luck with one from cable matters so far so this might make a spicier episode. Not that my "test" equipment is valid, either it worked on my screen or it didn't!
I'm sure Wendell loves that choice of footage 😂
That data-scourge is a punishment tool for the era of technocracy.
Just sent the first 4 seconds to my wife with the caption "getting home from work like:"... she was not amused but it was VERY worth my cackling
HDMI was a DVI cable with proprietary encryption which cost every OEM and consumer. DisplyPort supersedes both DVI and HDMI.
4:41 - Small clarification: With newer HDMI standards (HDMI 2.0 and above?), they do actually use the "Clock" pair to send data, so they could get the full 18 Gbps, and now up about 48 Gbps.
As always, the manufacturers still keep making cable standards that don't have quite enough wires for future-proofing.
(here's looking at you, USB. lol)
So they had to find lots of workarounds to make the faster HDMI standards work with older style cables. The amount of bandwidth they have now is staggering, considering how cheaply made a lot of the cables are.
Congratulations Samsung! You Out Played Yourself xD
The locking tabs on display port cables is literally the best thing about it.
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I am surprised they all passed the test.
I recently bought a DP 1.4 Switch and it would just produce no signal with some cables and flickering with other cables, sometimes the flickering would go away after some time as the bandwidth was negotiated and then I only had 8bit and 4:2:2.
My first instinct was to point to the Displayport 1.4 switch but after trying 3 of these with the same results, I ruled them out.
I wasn't even stressing these cables, going 2560x1440, 165hz and 10bit, which is 21,9Gbps, which is just 0,3Gbps more than Displayport 1.2 can handle.
All the cables promised Displayport 1.4 full bandwidth and they were brand new, also there were brands like Premiumcord that I trusted and use cables from all the time.
Then I went with two Startech cables (both VESA certified and in this case more than double the price of the other brands, I would advise to triple check if they are actually VESA certified, there are a lot of scammers on amazon with false info about that).
And boom, no problems at all anymore.
As a bonus I get lifetime warranty on these cables!
The biggest joke is: The Startech cables are the thinnest cables of them all and they are the only ones with no problems whatsoever.
Amazon was probably pretty happy that I returned like 8 cables to them but I'm sorry, there were even supposedly Displayport 2.0 cables there with 80Gbps advertised and all I got was flickering.
I kept the three switches as I didn't want to punish the sellers for a product that works as advertised, but the cables were all a joke and I think I rightfully sent them back.