straight guy here haha This video was just recomended to me by youtube and I clicked cause I feel I need to know more about my wife's idols and taste in music to understand it better
@@gordonabishop damm I guess Im the weird straight guy who fuckin loves Electra Heart, but has not seen Voltron..... so your reference helped me understand more about Voltron
“Billie Eilish was inspired by Marina!” “The Last Dinner Party was inspired by Marina!” Can’t we just…listen to Marina? Marina’s become the new Kate Bush. Referenced constantly while consistently overlooked.
billie eilish is the farthest thing from marina,it’s clear,so clear,that shes inspired by lana del rey,I love marina but she’s never been as popular or as influential as lana,the most inspired by marina artist is chappell roan atm.
@chunli6197 u know inspiration doesn't always mean they show up sonically in other artists music right? It can be inspiration for inspirations sake. Smh yall are insufferable
The timing of this is kinda hilarious due to the mention of the Marina x Charli XCX forgotten collab. Charli's "Girl, So Confusing" being rumored to be about Marina, Lorde etc etc. Then an actual remix with Lorde comes out and Marina reacted to it, which some pop culture gays interpreted as her inserting herself.
The way that Marina and Charli interacted a week after I made this, for seemingly the first time in nearly a decade… I fear I caused a ripple in the space-time continuum
I appreciate Electra Heart so much more now that I understand the persona angle, weird how much my taste in music has followed Tumblr while knowing so little about Tumblr culture.
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for the Super Thanks??? 😭 Glad that you enjoyed the video! The different EH archetypes were so much fun to experience in real time. Take me back lol
"the indie gays watching this video just started clapping like seels because i named their three faves" the way my hand just clapped over my mouth. i didn't come here to be called out like this.
Just to add a bit of context, the whole “releasing a single 2 months after release” thing for Power & Control, it wasn’t Marina specific. It was nearly every UK single release up until 2014 because of the power of “radio premieres” in the UK. The idea was that the song would be on pre order for a month or two to ensure a higher peak on the more volatile UK charts. This happened even for western pop stars, for example, Roar by Katy Perry came out 1 month after its release in America in the UK. This however came to a head in 2015 when a cover of Uptown Funk reached the #1 spot before the actual song was even released.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for this comment! I am currently working on the script for The Family Jewels and noticing the same discrepancy with those singles. It was driving me crazy. This makes more sense.
@@gordonabishopIt’s okay!! Sorry, didn’t want to see annoying but just thought id clear that up cause I think it’s not well documented online so you wouldn’t really know if you’re not a British gay man from around that time. 😭 I love the video!!
this video made me realize the song is in fact titled “Hypocrates” not Hypocrites. I’ve been listening to this album since it came out 😭😭😭 so fun tho, loved the party city wig!!
NOOOOOO!!!! Being unable to attend Marina's performance in Lollapalooza Argentina 2022 is one of the biggest regrets in my entire life, don't rub it in my face. I almost cried.
I love this. I think I found the link to the video from the Marina subreddit. I'm glad you touched on Die Life. IIRC from the fan wikia, it was meant to be her second album while EH was a side project to be released under the same name rather than "MatD". I think one of the reasons Die Life was scrapped was because her record label didn't want to fund both projects. I find it funny she bankrupted them from costs induced by producing EH and its music videos. There's something weirdly sombre about Die Life. It's an album that never was in the end, yet the songs that would have made it up are around in some way (popular unreleased tracks from the time--Miss Y, Scab and Plaster, Jealousy--and early demo versions of EH tracks--like the Radioactive guitar dance track version--which have a different feel to them).
Right next to MCR’s Black Parade and P!ATD’s A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out, this is probably my most listened to album. I love singing Primadonna at Karaoke, and somehow songs from this album keep ending up on playlists I make. I never read any of the tumblr posts, but that’s because I didn’t have mutuals that liked Marina.
The thing marina said about Dr Luke, Katy Perry ect. is even more true right now ESPECIALLY after Katy Perry teased her new(produced by dr puke ofc) lead single that sounds so boring and bland
I vividly remember when I first heard about Marina. The year was 2012, I was waiting to go to class freshman year of high school, and one of my besties (Jillian) tells me I’d love this girl named Marina and the Diamonds. I heard Primadonna Girl once and I was hooked.
You only have 60 subs?? Well gotta do my part here, this video is great! Well produced, a good sense of humour, gushing about something you love in DRAG, what more can one ask for here??
This whole project aged so well (and yes I too dislike the Lies final production, what in the dubstep world is that?!?) I *LOOOVED* this video, hm so delicious, your delivery is impeccable. And yes I shall comment on every vid of yours 'cause I've miss Marina being the topic and hearing people talking knowingly about her!
I'm only 4 minutes in and i've never felt so called out lmao - from the painfully/scarily accurate description of my teen tumblr (aka marina) phase to clapping like a seal for seeing my faves mentioned, stopppp 😭
That's an interesting idea! I know Lana's music but haven't followed her career as closely as Marina's. It makes me worry about whether my video would feel authentic, but I will give this some thought. Thank you for the suggestion!
I see electra heart I click! Will never forget how me and the girls got a group of classmates to dance to "primadonna" on a school event circa 2013 lol we even wore t-shirts that said teen idle on them!
Thanks much for this, I always favored Froot and took Electra Heart at face value as Marina's superficial sophmore phase. Your extended critique of Marina's four fractured personas really filled in the blanks I was too jaded to savor on my own.
I think Chappell re created the album character concept that Marina did with her tour themes and video concepts (Pink Pony Club, Midwest Princess, kink is my karma, mermaids) and loved it. When I first heard and saw Chappell she reminded me of Marina with fabulous singing and synth pop
I just found you and I already love you and your sense of humor. ❤️ Also in my early twenties this album’s concept and rollout and the songs and visuals were ev-ry-thing to me. I appreciate seeing the project done such justice here as I reflect back on that time. Subscribed honey!
A very specific memory from 9th grade that I have is me singing "Bubblegum Bitch" at a High School contest and winning lmao I was so obsessed with Marina in HS and now at 26 I can't wait for her poetry book to come out!
i’ll always love this album. in high school, sex yeah and valley of the dolls were my favorite tracks. now, i’d say the state of dreaming is my favorite. but the album is truly great
Electra Heart was my first “era” 😭 I was there for the whole thing thanks to deviant art (people introducing me to the album via their fan art and OCS) and I used to draw so many characters based on this album. I still adore this era and the family jewels. It’s a major part of my evolution 😅
Definitely makes sense that living dead might have been from an earlier version of the project cos it's one of the older tracks from the album. There was actually a different version that leaked long before the album came out. I also agree that Dr Luke ruined Lies and I've always said that.
You mentioned not being aware of other archetype focussed albums. Tori Amos did it in the mid 2000s with American Doll Posse. I remember her doing some promo stuff as the characters at the time. This was pretty early social media days but I could've sworn there was an interactive website for it outlining the characters. Definitely a similar vibe too just very Tori. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some influence on Marina from there.
you really said “straight men listen up” and chose the gayest version on voltron that could possibly exist. i don’t think i’ve even met a straight man who’s watched voltron legendary defenders
idk if this is a reach but if i recall, marina said she felt really depressed during the TFJ/EH eras, i felt like that really affected the overall performance of the records (specially in EH) i somehow felt like when she released it she kinda…hated it? but then grew up to love it and really like it as she healed herself from past situations
I love this analysis video! How'd you find all of this info?? I love Marina but never heard of some of the things you mentioned. I feel like a fake fan lmao
Awww thank you! Honestly some of it is just the way I store information lmao, there was a lot in the video that I remembered from back in the day that I just fact-checked to make sure I remembered right. But other parts of it I didn’t know, like die Life being a thing. So there was a lot of research, looking back at old tweets and interviews from the time. And I have to give a shout out to the fans that archived sooo much information on the Marina wiki
"If you're a straight guy" brave of you to think that's your audience
straight guy here haha This video was just recomended to me by youtube and I clicked cause I feel I need to know more about my wife's idols and taste in music to understand it better
@@Baratinha I hope the Voltron reference helped you sir
I initially misread this comment as "if you're a straight gAy" and it just made sense to me
Just how brave Marina thought Teen Idle was perfect for those kids
@@gordonabishop damm I guess Im the weird straight guy who fuckin loves Electra Heart, but has not seen Voltron..... so your reference helped me understand more about Voltron
“Billie Eilish was inspired by Marina!” “The Last Dinner Party was inspired by Marina!”
Can’t we just…listen to Marina?
Marina’s become the new Kate Bush. Referenced constantly while consistently overlooked.
billie eilish is the farthest thing from marina,it’s clear,so clear,that shes inspired by lana del rey,I love marina but she’s never been as popular or as influential as lana,the most inspired by marina artist is chappell roan atm.
@@chunli6197i think they meant that billie eillish has said in interviews that one of her biggest inspirations was marina cause i remember seeing that
@chunli6197 u know inspiration doesn't always mean they show up sonically in other artists music right? It can be inspiration for inspirations sake. Smh yall are insufferable
@@Blytheunicornino who’s yall
Good Luck Babe! by Chappell Roan is VERY Marina.
"i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" is GENIUS
It is! But not originally said by Marina.
I found her singing teen idol to a school and her promotion of how to be a heartbreaker on the morning show funny. I dunno if it's just me tho
You’re not alone, I had a lot of fun putting those clips together. Especially HTBAH lol
I am cackling and screaming at Teen Idle being your first thing to listen to in the morning in year 4 🤣
The timing of this is kinda hilarious due to the mention of the Marina x Charli XCX forgotten collab. Charli's "Girl, So Confusing" being rumored to be about Marina, Lorde etc etc. Then an actual remix with Lorde comes out and Marina reacted to it, which some pop culture gays interpreted as her inserting herself.
The way that Marina and Charli interacted a week after I made this, for seemingly the first time in nearly a decade… I fear I caused a ripple in the space-time continuum
"insert herself" geez. women truly can't do anything right
lol her trash talking dr luke in 2010 and then having him on electra heart i support womens wrongs
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 absolutely
never trust labels
I appreciate Electra Heart so much more now that I understand the persona angle, weird how much my taste in music has followed Tumblr while knowing so little about Tumblr culture.
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for the Super Thanks??? 😭 Glad that you enjoyed the video! The different EH archetypes were so much fun to experience in real time. Take me back lol
"the indie gays watching this video just started clapping like seels because i named their three faves"
the way my hand just clapped over my mouth. i didn't come here to be called out like this.
i heard the snippets and it was like i was a sleeper agent being activated, did not realize how ingrained in my psyche these songs are lmao
Just to add a bit of context, the whole “releasing a single 2 months after release” thing for Power & Control, it wasn’t Marina specific. It was nearly every UK single release up until 2014 because of the power of “radio premieres” in the UK. The idea was that the song would be on pre order for a month or two to ensure a higher peak on the more volatile UK charts. This happened even for western pop stars, for example, Roar by Katy Perry came out 1 month after its release in America in the UK.
This however came to a head in 2015 when a cover of Uptown Funk reached the #1 spot before the actual song was even released.
Oh my gosh, thank you so much for this comment! I am currently working on the script for The Family Jewels and noticing the same discrepancy with those singles. It was driving me crazy. This makes more sense.
@@gordonabishopIt’s okay!!
Sorry, didn’t want to see annoying but just thought id clear that up cause I think it’s not well documented online so you wouldn’t really know if you’re not a British gay man from around that time. 😭
I love the video!!
Marina is mother and Chappel’s songs when I first heard her just made me think straight away about Marina 💕
Me too
Immediately sat!!! This album was a crucial part of my development
this video made me realize the song is in fact titled “Hypocrates” not Hypocrites. I’ve been listening to this album since it came out 😭😭😭 so fun tho, loved the party city wig!!
JUSTICE FOR HYPOCRATES!!
Unpopular opinion but I love the production in Lies, I really love the video and the acoustic live version of Lies as well
The acoustic version of Lies, Starring Role and Homewrecker made me want a full acoustic cover album of her.
@@DmnHd81 Totally, just piano and vocals would be great!
You didn't really explain Electra Heart as much as you summarized it, but this was a fun nostalgia trip lol
I have no clue how I got here but I sure am happy to stay.
If you don't think MARINA is on the mood board of nearly ever pop star's team since Electra, we can't be friends. ❤😂❤
NOOOOOO!!!! Being unable to attend Marina's performance in Lollapalooza Argentina 2022 is one of the biggest regrets in my entire life, don't rub it in my face. I almost cried.
I love this. I think I found the link to the video from the Marina subreddit.
I'm glad you touched on Die Life. IIRC from the fan wikia, it was meant to be her second album while EH was a side project to be released under the same name rather than "MatD". I think one of the reasons Die Life was scrapped was because her record label didn't want to fund both projects. I find it funny she bankrupted them from costs induced by producing EH and its music videos.
There's something weirdly sombre about Die Life. It's an album that never was in the end, yet the songs that would have made it up are around in some way (popular unreleased tracks from the time--Miss Y, Scab and Plaster, Jealousy--and early demo versions of EH tracks--like the Radioactive guitar dance track version--which have a different feel to them).
Right next to MCR’s Black Parade and P!ATD’s A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out, this is probably my most listened to album. I love singing Primadonna at Karaoke, and somehow songs from this album keep ending up on playlists I make. I never read any of the tumblr posts, but that’s because I didn’t have mutuals that liked Marina.
I don't usually comment on videos but just wanna say you're hilarious and super entertaining hahaha
🥺 that is so kind of you! As a fellow non-commenter, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this lol
I completely blocked Just Desserts from my memory until you mentioned it omg
The thing marina said about Dr Luke, Katy Perry ect. is even more true right now ESPECIALLY after Katy Perry teased her new(produced by dr puke ofc) lead single that sounds so boring and bland
We need more marina content out there 🫶
You're doing god's work
I vividly remember when I first heard about Marina. The year was 2012, I was waiting to go to class freshman year of high school, and one of my besties (Jillian) tells me I’d love this girl named Marina and the Diamonds. I heard Primadonna Girl once and I was hooked.
You only have 60 subs?? Well gotta do my part here, this video is great! Well produced, a good sense of humour, gushing about something you love in DRAG, what more can one ask for here??
omg when u mentioned "Buy the Stars" i was absolutely sent THAT SONG WAS MY LIFE BLOOD!!!
THIS ALBUM HAS NO SKIPS WHATS-SO-EVER! Also, I love how powerful the final version of Lies sounds, imo! 🖤💎
10:22 “if you’re a straight guy” and then showing That adaption of voltron as ur example is so fucking funny. ur audience is not changing at all
A 24 minute video about Marina THANK YOU. Summoning Marina and the Devils rn
This whole project aged so well (and yes I too dislike the Lies final production, what in the dubstep world is that?!?)
I *LOOOVED* this video, hm so delicious, your delivery is impeccable. And yes I shall comment on every vid of yours 'cause I've miss Marina being the topic and hearing people talking knowingly about her!
22:58 .....you sure you listened to the same Eternity and Scab & Plaster like the rest of us??????
This comment made me re-listen to the demos and now I need to issue an apology in my next video 💀
@@gordonabishop THANK YOU. DAMN RIGHT, THANK YOU
I'm only 4 minutes in and i've never felt so called out lmao - from the painfully/scarily accurate description of my teen tumblr (aka marina) phase to clapping like a seal for seeing my faves mentioned, stopppp 😭
please make a similar video about lana del rey's alter ego, i think it would be interesting
That's an interesting idea! I know Lana's music but haven't followed her career as closely as Marina's. It makes me worry about whether my video would feel authentic, but I will give this some thought. Thank you for the suggestion!
Oh yeah, she did the part 9, 10 and part 11 with her own money, the label stop sponsoring at that time cous they were broke.
I see electra heart I click!
Will never forget how me and the girls got a group of classmates to dance to "primadonna" on a school event circa 2013 lol we even wore t-shirts that said teen idle on them!
Thanks much for this, I always favored Froot and took Electra Heart at face value as Marina's superficial sophmore phase. Your extended critique of Marina's four fractured personas really filled in the blanks I was too jaded to savor on my own.
I think Chappell re created the album character concept that Marina did with her tour themes and video concepts (Pink Pony Club, Midwest Princess, kink is my karma, mermaids) and loved it. When I first heard and saw Chappell she reminded me of Marina with fabulous singing and synth pop
oh we do know why she went back to her natural hair color. She said the bleaching made her hair fall out lol
i am absolutely obsessed with your content and your humor omg
🥺 thank you!! this made my day
@@gordonabishop you're welcome! please keep making videos, i've already binged through everything you've uploaded
thank you for bringing up marilyn😩❤️ shes a forgotten queen
This made me re-download the album lol
MARINA is really Mother
I always make it a mission to listen to Marina's albums, usually Electra Heart, a few times a month. I always found them to be so relatable
14:38 i can’t believe you didn’t mention her sampling the eerie video “i feel fantastic” by tara the android
Clapping like a seal right now. Great video.
Marina has inspired me and my own creative endeavors for years, I love her so much.
I just found you and I already love you and your sense of humor. ❤️ Also in my early twenties this album’s concept and rollout and the songs and visuals were ev-ry-thing to me. I appreciate seeing the project done such justice here as I reflect back on that time. Subscribed honey!
A very specific memory from 9th grade that I have is me singing "Bubblegum Bitch" at a High School contest and winning lmao
I was so obsessed with Marina in HS and now at 26 I can't wait for her poetry book to come out!
No idea how I arrived here, but I’m so glad I did. This video was excellent! I’m SO sat for a future Marina video.
She helped me heal for sure and is part of why I do music now 💕 much love to marina she’s a genius
This was hilarious and excellently made, my marina stan heart is fulfilled. Good job bottom
17:47 I think i read somewhere that those parts are where Electra Heart starts to fade, and eventually die. She even removed the heart on the cheek
i’ll always love this album. in high school, sex yeah and valley of the dolls were my favorite tracks. now, i’d say the state of dreaming is my favorite. but the album is truly great
NO WAY I DIDNT KNOW I COULD ACTUALLY LISTEN TO BUY THE STARS ON SPOTIFY NOW
thank you so much!! all the pop retrospective channels i follow never cover marina! i’ll watch a few more videos then maybe subscribe
Always appreciate some Marina praise content ❤
you did, indeed, just name my three faves
I was gonna say honey the way you said ‘Marina Diamandis’ I knew that was a name you had in fact heard recently 🤣
DIE LIFE MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️💯💯
Excuse me..... FROOT was her mangnum opus.... Please do a video on that
17:38 ur laughs😭😭😭
He made my doll heart light up with joy Oh dear dairy we fell apart
Electra Heart was actually the first ever album I listened to. Thank you tumblr!!!
Electra Heart was my first “era” 😭 I was there for the whole thing thanks to deviant art (people introducing me to the album via their fan art and OCS) and I used to draw so many characters based on this album. I still adore this era and the family jewels. It’s a major part of my evolution 😅
Oooo I was there and a fan and knew all the lyrics, but I never knew all the multimedia stuff
A Caroline Polachek AND Kate Bush shoutout in a Marina video? Yup, immediately subscribed
I’ve gotta go listen to the Platinum Blonde Edition now 🔥
ur so fucking right abt lies holy shit i remember looping the acoustic version for hours
teen idle was an absolutely DEVASTATING song for me as a child
I appreciate this video. The fandom is lacking these kinds of videos, could this be considered a video essay?
This video was everything and Charli XCX at the end just took the cake.⚡️❣️
This video is spectacular! Thank you for the breakdown :)
Definitely makes sense that living dead might have been from an earlier version of the project cos it's one of the older tracks from the album. There was actually a different version that leaked long before the album came out.
I also agree that Dr Luke ruined Lies and I've always said that.
You mentioned not being aware of other archetype focussed albums. Tori Amos did it in the mid 2000s with American Doll Posse. I remember her doing some promo stuff as the characters at the time. This was pretty early social media days but I could've sworn there was an interactive website for it outlining the characters. Definitely a similar vibe too just very Tori. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some influence on Marina from there.
Oooo, I’ve gotta check this out! Thank you for sharing.
And I may or may not wear the heart on my cheek occasionally to this day 😂
i love ur editing ! well made video.
I actually really like the overproduced version of Lies, ive always found that her voice and the instrumentals are an amazing blend
23:10 Scab & Plaster?! Jealousy!? I'm sure we got some good leaks...
how did i think i was straight and then listen to Marina songs
HYPOCRATES IS LITERALLY ONE OF MY FAVOURITE SONGS EVER
THE WEAVE EMANCIPATION + THE SONG HYPOCRATES ON THE BG. WE NEED A 55 MINUTE VIDEO ESSAY OF THIS SCENE.
never knew she was that wild in interviews 💀
you really said “straight men listen up” and chose the gayest version on voltron that could possibly exist. i don’t think i’ve even met a straight man who’s watched voltron legendary defenders
😂
idk if this is a reach but if i recall, marina said she felt really depressed during the TFJ/EH eras, i felt like that really affected the overall performance of the records (specially in EH) i somehow felt like when she released it she kinda…hated it? but then grew up to love it and really like it as she healed herself from past situations
Hypocrates is my jam
You made a video about the album L-ctra Heart! Thanks! I needed this video.
I love this video it’s GREAT
girl i love this video and i didnt know u before but you gotta change that profile picture is giving james somertonnn
HEEEEEELP 💀 when a new supreme rises the old one fades away. except i don’t plagiarize and also I have a chin
gonna need to take a new photo ASAP
@@gordonabishop STOP KKKKKKKKKKKKKKK GET HIS ASS
This comment sent me
I love this analysis video! How'd you find all of this info?? I love Marina but never heard of some of the things you mentioned. I feel like a fake fan lmao
Awww thank you! Honestly some of it is just the way I store information lmao, there was a lot in the video that I remembered from back in the day that I just fact-checked to make sure I remembered right. But other parts of it I didn’t know, like die Life being a thing. So there was a lot of research, looking back at old tweets and interviews from the time. And I have to give a shout out to the fans that archived sooo much information on the Marina wiki
22:59 scab & plaster and miss y were bangers i will not hear this type of erasure
I actually kinda like the Lies production :D
Electra Heart or L-ctra Heart is my favorite album by Marina.
Lies is so good 😍
Great vid 🩷
I used to not like Hypocrates that much… and The State Of Dreaming. But I’ve since come to my senses and can confidently say that EH has no skips.
Oh dear dairy I met a boy. Welcome to the life of L-ctra Heart.
Hey Gordon did you hear the unreleased song “Jealously”?
So L-ctra heart was Die life before?