I'm a pro smart home user. I'm running the ecobee. Works great with home assistant the API documentation is good and just works. For fine tuning and features there is nothing else like it.
The Nest learning thermostat hasn't been updated in nearly a decade, its expensive, and the software is somewhat limited. Ecobee just released new models last year with updated hardware, additional features, and completely new software that lets you fine-tune everything.
Thanks, boss! Super helpful. I must have watched six or seven videos, and this is the only one that was concise, informative, and helpful. I wish all content on TH-cam could be this clean.
As an ecobee owner. I love it. I can turn the air/heat to whatever I want it to be 20 minutes later. The only problem I have is it won’t connect to my HomePod so I can’t get Siri to turn the heat up or down.
As someone who has both installed in my home currently. One upstairs and one down. The ecobee does everything better than nest. Accept the schedule UI. Nest has it better. Other than that they heat and cool the house just the same.
@@odkdsjf ecobee is really nice but I can’t decide. The Nest schedule system is my favorite for upstairs to have the heat and AC come on before we wake. Easier to have custom temps per day per hour. Ecobee is nice for downstairs cause it’s simpler to limit guests and a nicer interface and the unit it self is really clean. I say if it’s in a common area ecobee for sure. If it’s for bedrooms and you want custom temps for when you go to bed or go to sleep nest is my vote. Ecobee has temp scheduling too but it’s not as easy to program more than 3 temps and kinda pain for a fully custom schedule. Nest is the only one that has broken on me tho
Had Nest for several years now have Ecobee premium. The only thing I miss from Nest is the dial to change temp. Wish Ecobee implemented physical dial on the side for temp adjustment. I found Nest's smart temp adjust feature quite annoying. Because weather isn't exactly the same each year the thermostat would auto adjust temperatures and often required turning furnace of hvac on or off or adjusting the temperature all together. Few times I even erased it's smart schedule because of it.
I went with the Ecobee because I wanted to schedule the times how I want them and not thru "learning" which was going to require me to change the set point manually until it "learned". After the initial set up my Ecobee raises and lowers the temp as I want it, with the sensor detecting movement and changing the away setting to home on the days I didn't leave the house as planned.
I bought a Nest a year ago knowing it wouldn't work on my 2 wire system. $10 through my local utility's energy saving program. I powered it from a 24 vac doorbell transformer and used it as a decoration for a year. It was worth the $10 for that purpose. Now I have a new Navien boiler supporting 3 wires. I installed the Nest and things fired up just fine. Problem was it wouldn't shutdown the boiler. I had to revert to the old 2 wire thermostat. I tested as best I could and couldn't find a problem. Eventually I found a sub-Reddit thread from someone with the same issue - Navien vs Nest. His solution was to install an ecobee. I went straight to the computer and bought an ecobee3 lite for $60 through the same utility program. Works fine. So fo rme, all the other considerations mean nothing. One works, one doesn't.
Great info! I am in a two-story home, and based on your review I decided to buy Ecobee Smart However, what do I do? Do I just replace one thermostat and leave one? Which one do I replace? Do I need two thermostats? help, please. Thanks
Just installed an Ecobee. I've got the common wire, so no problem there. Setup was easy, handled my 3 heat 2 cool heat pump no problem. Works with HomeKit, so I'm happy there. Nest wasn't even a consideration, don't want Google crap, and I HATE the way round thermostats look. Now I've just got to find my leftover paint so I can get rid of the ugly trim kit.
Thanks for the video! What if I unfortunately have the Baseboard Heaters in my house? Do you recommend to go through the workaround with some relay to still get one of these two? Is Ecobee still easier to install?
I had an ecobee3 Lite that was installed when I had my system upgraded and A/C added a year and a half ago. I just replaced it with a Nest Learning Thermostat (3rd gen). I had purchased a Nest when the system was installed but returned it after they gave me ecobee. I was not too impressed with the ecobee, maybe in part because it was the lite not the premium, and had many issues with the external sensors dropping off or the battery dying prematurely. I also had issues with the app failing when copying schedule settings between days. So far, the Nest has been considerably easier to use, and I love the physical ring for adjusting the temp vs the touchscreen on the ecobee which often resulted in the wrong temp being selected. I found the app has been more stable and easier to use, especially with manually adjusting the schedule. I work in tech so I'm all about the 'nerd knobs' but I'm not really missing the complexity of the ecobee.
I am not that interested in this type of content but when I saw the quality of your videos and all the work you put into them, I just had to subscribe!
we just had an entire ac system installed and went with the nest learning thermostat, i am mostly just curious about the smart scheduling to see if it actually saves on energy and money
Just had a 24 yo. HVAC unit replaced last year. I went with eco bee. The only thing I wish it had was during our power company's Highest rates, I would just like to run the AC for 10 minutes each hour. Selecting a temp makes it stay off way too long... and then cooling to the desired point after 8pm can take up to a full hour.
Deal breaker- non adjustable threshold. The ecobee is the only smart thermostat that has an adjustable threshold. All the others are 0.5⁰ and non adjustable. 0.5⁰=short cycling This will wear out your HVAC components much faster. Threshold should be 1.5⁰-2⁰.
I have a question with the sensors.....that the furnace is still only going to send air to the whole house. It doesn't have the capability to only send air to one room. The duct system would need automated duct valves that open and close to only send air to a specific room.
You can either set it to average the temp of all the sensors and use that or you can put it in 'follow me' mode and only activate the only the sensor where people are.
Question, you mentioned some temperature swings :) I tried a Nest E thermostat and the occupancy sensor will shut off the cooling mode and not run a home owners away from home programmed temperature setting. The occupancy sensor will override the program and Upon returning back home one will find on hot summer days that their indoor ambient temps will be quit high and the system will then need to try catch and up with maybe 1 to 3 hour recovery run cycles. The indoor furniture and walls and such will be at a higher temp and will also add to longer recovery times... My question is > what is the break even money saving if the system is off for lets say 3 hours and then needs to runs for lets say 1 1/2 hours for recovery to drop back down to the actual desired temperature ???? all the while the home owner is drinking cold lemonade trying to cool down :) Is there an advanced configuration setting on these Nest and Ecobee thermostats to use or not use the occupancy sensor? I could not find this on the Nest E. I pulled the stat and replaced with a Honeywell Vision Pro TH8000 wifi thermostat.
Probably great information from an installers point of view but my suggestion for future videos would be to nix the background music. Not all of us have young ears.
Good Video, but wish you had more info for it. Such as degrees is it full digit or can they do .5 of a degree up or down. Also with Ecobee you can leave off many wires depending on use.
Love it! Great video and being your in the industry is a very different than many of the videos. I’m trying to find a justification for the nest but… that ecobee 2 degree differential seems like a major benefit not talked about enough. Any suggestion on which brand if I’m running 2 units with 2 thermostats? Each unit controls half the ranch style home with both units supplying air to the living room with vaulted ceilings (no insulation) in south Florida?
I would say it depends on whether you're all in on Google Home or not. If you use Android and more specifically Google Assistant in conjunction with Google Home a lot, then the Nest is the best option for multiple thermostat setups because they'll work together intelligently to save the most money by using a combination of their own internal climate sensors, the optional remote climate sensors, and local weather data along with their learning algorithm that figures out how best to cool or heat your place based on actual performance. So for the first week or so of having the higher end Nest Thermostat(s) installed they're running your system in a variety of ways to try and figure out things like how long the compressor needs to run to cool the air appropriately for the air being being pushed by the fan to adequately cool off your place, because they can independently control the fan and compressor to do something they call "Air Pulse" so you are saving money by running the compressor only as much as it needs to cool the air being pushed by the fan in your vents, versus standard thermostats which run the compressor the entire time the fan is going. They'll also "learn" about your schedule if you allow that feature in the app, and will intelligently cool or heat the home without your input when you're getting close to home, or adjust to a different temperature range when you leave so you can still save money on heating/cooling but your pets won't be miserable. On my Nest there's even a mode called "Cool to Dry Ecobee, however, has the benefit of being able to connect with independent presence sensors as well as remote temperature and humidity sensors but isn't necessarily tied to one brand like Nest since it supports open standards, so if you know what you're doing with Smart Home routines you can get similar capabilities to the Nest for less cost, and some capabilities that go beyond what the Nest can do. Running dual thermostats should also be fine with it, I'm not sure if it natively supports it but there are certainly tons of automations out there that would make it work. One interesting automation I saw with an Ecobee was an RGB smart bulb in the guy's office that would change to red if the air conditioning or heating was on and any of his windows or exterior doors were open, so he would know to go close them to maximize the efficiency of the climate control.
Hi. Great video. I’m looking to install the Ecobee Premium. I have an oil burner with based board heat. I have a totally separate AC unit. I do have a C wire not connected to my current thermostat. If I hook the C wire up to the AC and to the new Ecobee I believe it will work. I’d love to get your opinion. Ty
I don't usually like music in the background of videos, but your selection was a smooth vibe😌. Oh and I just bought the Ecobee for all the reason you mentioned 😆
Good video, trying to figure out which smart will do the slave master setup as my 3rd floor Is slave to my 2nd floor so need to a setup that will accommodate that setup, any suggestions
Why doesn’t the ecobee do the smoke detectors too? If the doorbell, the smoke detectors, and the thermostat were tied together so you could talk to them, that would be great. Surely, someone has thought for this. Nice video btw. ❤
My 2nd gen nest thermostat just gave out, and it's been up to 10 years now. Last night it gave out and keeps saying no power to the Rc and now to the Y. The HVAC technician said everything looks good but the thermostat is the issue. I am interested in trying the eccobee but i only have Y1 RC G and W1 wiring based on my old nest thermostat. So my question is, will the eccobee be able to work with those wires?
just need to use the PEK that comes with the ecobee and it should work. My 2nd gen Nest also just kicked the bucket. DO not get the 2020 version nest (cheaper one). I've had nothing but issues for low power in only one month of installation. I have an Ecobee enhanced ordered, hopefully this solves the problem..
I currently have a gen 3 nest. I have not had any issues, but one. My heat pump compressor doesn't kick on like it should, so I have to power off everything for 5 minutes or so. I have a new compressor, and a new indoor A coil so I know it's not equipment failure. I have to do this maybe two or three times in the summer. I believe it is a common problem with the Nest. Do you have any idea on how to prevent this. I have a blue C wire as well.
We have a Nest and have been experiencing reverse cycling. An A/C tech said that was a common problem with Nest (so did Google!). I’m afraid it going to destroy the compressor on my brand new unit. I don’t remember us having this problem with the old unit and the Nest. Thoughts?
Do you know if either of these (or any other reasonably priced smart thermostat) can run the fan on regular intervals to equalize the temp between floors?
Please explain how Ecobee adjust temperature to the desired level based on where it detects people are, WITHOUT the home having a multizone HVAC system? Your description of how the sensors function is a bit misleading.
@@elran123 oh no worries at all, great video overall, but that's always been my concern with the temp sensors, they are for sure better then just the sensor on the tstat itself, but nowhere close to multizone systems. Obviously not near the cost of multizone systems either.
I have the Honeywell Home RTH6360D1002 thermostat. Can I install the ecobee since it appears that this thermostat only has a W and R wiring. My home has radiator steam heating using gas. I don't have cooling at home.
The battery thing alone is what makes me hate Nest. They did it right with everything else. Preserving battery should not be a priority over function when C wire is installed. Keep getting delayed heating (due to battery aging) is very annoying
It's not that they did it wrong on the battery, it's the fact they should have just stated that a C wire should be used instead of basically leaving the impression that 2 wires or no c wire would be fine. For some systems that's true but for a lot that's not. And they've taken some bad publicity and imho unnecessary if they started that from the get go. That's why the ecobee right from the start states you need a c wire. There are chai solutions to. An external c wire adaptor for $30 will do the trick
This is true. Google Nest has a dedicated feature that lets you control how much aux heat you use and will also track the efficiency of your unit to help reduce any aux heat. Ecobee makes no mention of this feature and it’s nowhere in the thermostat itself or the manual so it’s safe to assume that feature doesn’t exist with the ecobee
Quick question: Can you override any of the "smart" settings. For instance the built in sensor you talked about to see if someone is in the room. Can you turn that on/off? Can you just set a "HOLD AT" option that overrides it all? I ask because I have a Geothermal HVAC system and Geothermal is designed to work better without a lot of changes. In the winter my radiant floor heat keeps our house fine at 68 degrees. We never set it over 70 in the winter. In the summer when our AC is on is when we tweak the temperatures the most since that uses the fan/blower.
I don't get the whole sensor thing... How is it going to tell the HVAC system I'm in the living room send all heat/cool there but now my wife is upstairs send that room heat/cool without having dampers that open and close? The system is just going to send heat/cool as it always has...
If you have one furnace, the idea is the remote sensors are in rooms far from the thermostat. Those rooms may have very different temperatures than near the thermostat. So by tracking your movement it can have the furnace run, till the remote sensor in the room You're in, matches the temperature setting. Obviously using this feature will cause other parts of the house to be hotter or cooler, but the idea is to keep you comfortable in the room you happen to be in. If more than one sensor is installed it will use an average from the two or more sensors where there are people in the rooms, this will create the baseline to heat or cool based on your settings.
Thanks for the video, great content. I haven't seen your other videos but the audio on this one a bit too loud, makes it hard to hear some of what you're saying! Good luck with the channel :)
TH-camrs that are early in their journey think that a background track is needed. I've never understood why. A track is useful for transitions and periods where there is no narration. Otherwise it almost always is distracting. If it's too loud (like this) you just can't process the narration. If it's too low then there is a subliminal annoyance. Another downside of royalty-free tracks is that they are short and after a short time the repetition is kind of like Chinese water torture. Tracks are like salt and pepper. You have to use judiciously. The video editing and content is really good here.
My biggest concern and why I was here was because I've seen people posting that the Nest thermostats break down after a few years and stop working. Specifically the heatlink failing wihtin 2 years. One guy says he has had 2 fail already, which basically forces you to buy a new thermostat. Is this something you've seen as an HVAC? Other than that I really like the look and user interace of the Nest, I've seen it in the store its very nice. Aside from the hefty price tag
The ecobee will operate effectively without wifi correct? I’ve always wondered this, and it sounds terrible if they have to have wifi to function correctly.
Yes, you will just have to do everything through the device itself and not its slick web interface or phone app. The app is nice and the data logging is really great as well.
How would it cool/heat 1 room and not the other if it all runs on 1 system. How does the air handler know which room to to put more heat or coolness in? It doesnt
My nest was connected by a technician and he connected the red wire to the Rc port instead of Rh, it’s been working fine for two years but recently started to disconnected from the app(offline). I wonder if that is because of the red wire is conected to Rc port
In reference to your #2 Ease of Installation, the Nest Power Connector was available for pre-order around May, and was available in June or July. This is essentially the same as the PEK from Ecobee. Considering that announcement and pre-orders started just about a year ago, and this video came out only 3 months ago, I feel like you really didn't do your research, or relied on severely outdated information that might have (or probably did honestly) sway people to chose Ecobee over Nest. Also, Nest has Motion sensors for movement detection. These are used to set the system to Home or Away automatically for savings. On top of that, Geofencing can be used with multiple phones for the Nest, vs one phone for Ecobee for even greater saving when used with learning. Lastly, how can #3 Money Saving Features and #4 Schedule be separated? the whole reason FOR scheduling is to save money. If it wasn't, why would you ever adjust the temp? Just set one temp for each season. for instance, if you like it 70F in the summer, just leave it at that until winter. The only reason people adjust the thermostat is to save money. I feel like this "Pro" just likes the Ecobee thermostat better, which is fine, but he should just state that at the start of the video, then give the reasons he does instead of this unrealistic competition.
You lost me a Celsius temps. :P In all honesty, no one knows your schedule better than you. I've heard so many people complain about Nest AI learning your schedule that they always disable it if they had it. Guess thermostats are still not smarter than us (and maybe that's good).
as someone who has had both there really isn't a right answer, they both perform on a high level, both are great looking it depends on your situation. we like the nest better, we liked the app better, we found the nest's eco alogrithim to be much better in saving money and we have a nest protect which work toether in case of an emergency.
Ecobee provides more options and data to make economical choices with your system. Nest is like the iPhone (simple, nice looking and easy to use but that's it) and the Ecobee is like Android (ability to dig deeper into setting things how you want). So the question isn't which is better, but more which type of homeowner are you?
@@Boswd It's not about what I think they're going to do. . It's what they or the others who gain access could do. They are not friendly. I limit as much of my data to my local environment as possible.
I just dumped my ecobee because it could only maintain my house to a 10 degree range and that was using 3 remotes to average the temperature. Great user interface, but does not do basic temperature control.
@@TheTrustyTradesman I purchase a Venstar ColorTouch and it was installed yesterday. My room temperature range is now about about 5 degrees (using 1 wireless remote and averaging).
@@FlatCatGear Yep, and Venstar and Honeywell allow a user to adjust the set points deadband and differential settings to fine tune the rooms temperature SWINGS.... I could not find this feature on the Nest E thermostats
I'm an hvac business owner 12yrs, similar age experience as OP, found the voltage bleed early w nest 1st gen, wasn't stoked to be figuring this out on my own in the field. But, had a worse problem with ecobee w HP's, had a HP in the field 2 winters before customer wanted a smart tstat, installed ecobee and it was like, the emergency heat has been on too long and it would turn it off, just straight up let the house get cold, read some half ass workarounds but, stopped installing ecobees on hp jobs, nests are ok but, i don't promote them
Ecobee senses movement upstairs and starts evening out the temperature in that room?... LoL, how does it do that when you only have one furnace for the whole house?
The thermostat will prioritize that room. If your asking for 75 degrees and it senses that only that area it is occupied it will focus on bringing that sensor to your desired temperature if you have it in ‘follow me’ mode by having then furnace run longer or shorter. Great question. If you don’t have it in ‘follow me’ mode, the thermostat will take an average of all the sensors, attempting to make the house as even as possible.
I’m a Home Automation Pro and am on an SoCal Edison beta test program. I needed to change one ‘stat from Nest to Ecobee. While it has a “Hold” and other settings that Nest doesn’t, I absolutely hate it. Changing the temperature is difficult and the show stopper is; when changing the temperature they use white letters on a yellow background. I don’t need “high contrast” settings anywhere, but this low contrast display is incredibly difficult to see. Ridiculous color selection. SMH.
DO NOT PURCHASE AN ECOBEE! Somewhere buried in their code is a bug that drops the wifi connection. First you'll see it go off-line a few times then wont connect to your router at all. To add insult to injury, after sales support does not exist. Ive tried 4 times to get through. Been on hold for at least 6hrs total.
I don't think it's the code. There has to be something in your home throwing off the signal. Or it could be the router if you have too many devices on it. I don't know your particular setup so I can say what it is for sure but I've seen drops happen because of signal issues before.
What you’re referring to is a low ambient switch my guy. And they only exist in about 30% of units, and rarely In the old ones. Thanks for your terrific comment. Ishhhhh
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Which one do you have in your house? Nest or Ecobee?
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I'm a pro smart home user. I'm running the ecobee. Works great with home assistant the API documentation is good and just works. For fine tuning and features there is nothing else like it.
Neither! Trying to decide.
Ecobee hands down. Have been using the Ecobee for several years now, Awesome customer service, too.
The Nest learning thermostat hasn't been updated in nearly a decade, its expensive, and the software is somewhat limited.
Ecobee just released new models last year with updated hardware, additional features, and completely new software that lets you fine-tune everything.
Thanks, boss! Super helpful. I must have watched six or seven videos, and this is the only one that was concise, informative, and helpful. I wish all content on TH-cam could be this clean.
Made my day !
I been using nest last three years. The thing keep adjusting itself but not to my schedule. Got the ecobee premium now, great product so far
I just got the Ecobee Pro installed by my hvac company, mainly because I do not have a 'C' wire and the Ecobee has the PEK for this. So far I love it!
Just got an Ecobee premium. I came from a digital Honeywell, so naturally I was blown away 😊
I've had the Ecobee for 4 years now, it definitely save me money.
As an ecobee owner. I love it. I can turn the air/heat to whatever I want it to be 20 minutes later. The only problem I have is it won’t connect to my HomePod so I can’t get Siri to turn the heat up or down.
As someone who has both installed in my home currently. One upstairs and one down.
The ecobee does everything better than nest. Accept the schedule UI. Nest has it better. Other than that they heat and cool the house just the same.
If you had to pick just one, which would you choose?
@@odkdsjf ecobee is really nice but I can’t decide. The Nest schedule system is my favorite for upstairs to have the heat and AC come on before we wake. Easier to have custom temps per day per hour.
Ecobee is nice for downstairs cause it’s simpler to limit guests and a nicer interface and the unit it self is really clean. I say if it’s in a common area ecobee for sure. If it’s for bedrooms and you want custom temps for when you go to bed or go to sleep nest is my vote.
Ecobee has temp scheduling too but it’s not as easy to program more than 3 temps and kinda pain for a fully custom schedule. Nest is the only one that has broken on me tho
Had Nest for several years now have Ecobee premium. The only thing I miss from Nest is the dial to change temp. Wish Ecobee implemented physical dial on the side for temp adjustment. I found Nest's smart temp adjust feature quite annoying. Because weather isn't exactly the same each year the thermostat would auto adjust temperatures and often required turning furnace of hvac on or off or adjusting the temperature all together. Few times I even erased it's smart schedule because of it.
That would be the same problem with your manual schedule.
I went with the Ecobee because I wanted to schedule the times how I want them and not thru "learning" which was going to require me to change the set point manually until it "learned". After the initial set up my Ecobee raises and lowers the temp as I want it, with the sensor detecting movement and changing the away setting to home on the days I didn't leave the house as planned.
Just got an ecobee I like the feature that you can change the temperature schedule by logging into your account that you created.
I bought a Nest a year ago knowing it wouldn't work on my 2 wire system. $10 through my local utility's energy saving program. I powered it from a 24 vac doorbell transformer and used it as a decoration for a year. It was worth the $10 for that purpose. Now I have a new Navien boiler supporting 3 wires. I installed the Nest and things fired up just fine. Problem was it wouldn't shutdown the boiler. I had to revert to the old 2 wire thermostat. I tested as best I could and couldn't find a problem. Eventually I found a sub-Reddit thread from someone with the same issue - Navien vs Nest. His solution was to install an ecobee. I went straight to the computer and bought an ecobee3 lite for $60 through the same utility program. Works fine. So fo rme, all the other considerations mean nothing. One works, one doesn't.
Great info! I am in a two-story home, and based on your review I decided to buy Ecobee Smart However, what do I do? Do I just replace one thermostat and leave one? Which one do I replace? Do I need two thermostats? help, please. Thanks
3:25. Nest auto-learns your schedule over the initial 90 days. AND there’s a setting for that too.
I just ordered the Ecobee on Amazon
Just installed an Ecobee. I've got the common wire, so no problem there. Setup was easy, handled my 3 heat 2 cool heat pump no problem. Works with HomeKit, so I'm happy there. Nest wasn't even a consideration, don't want Google crap, and I HATE the way round thermostats look. Now I've just got to find my leftover paint so I can get rid of the ugly trim kit.
Thank you for your video Ecobee it shall be! Are there different models?
Thanks for the video! What if I unfortunately have the Baseboard Heaters in my house? Do you recommend to go through the workaround with some relay to still get one of these two? Is Ecobee still easier to install?
I had an ecobee3 Lite that was installed when I had my system upgraded and A/C added a year and a half ago. I just replaced it with a Nest Learning Thermostat (3rd gen). I had purchased a Nest when the system was installed but returned it after they gave me ecobee. I was not too impressed with the ecobee, maybe in part because it was the lite not the premium, and had many issues with the external sensors dropping off or the battery dying prematurely. I also had issues with the app failing when copying schedule settings between days.
So far, the Nest has been considerably easier to use, and I love the physical ring for adjusting the temp vs the touchscreen on the ecobee which often resulted in the wrong temp being selected. I found the app has been more stable and easier to use, especially with manually adjusting the schedule. I work in tech so I'm all about the 'nerd knobs' but I'm not really missing the complexity of the ecobee.
why on earth was the "battery dying prematurely"? It's supposed to be WIRED. Sounds like you didn't have a proper install.
@@JustSomeGuy009 The external sensor batteries were dying prematurely, not the thermostat.
I am not that interested in this type of content but when I saw the quality of your videos and all the work you put into them, I just had to subscribe!
Thanks Zach! Glad you enjoyed! That really means a lot.
Great info. Nice and concise. But please work on balancing the music. It shouldn’t be as loud as or louder than your voice.
we just had an entire ac system installed and went with the nest learning thermostat, i am mostly just curious about the smart scheduling to see if it actually saves on energy and money
I have owned one for about 4 years now, and in my experience, it doesn't save energy and money.
This is the push I needed, thanks!
Just had a 24 yo. HVAC unit replaced last year. I went with eco bee. The only thing I wish it had was during our power company's Highest rates, I would just like to run the AC for 10 minutes each hour. Selecting a temp makes it stay off way too long... and then cooling to the desired point after 8pm can take up to a full hour.
BTW yu didn't mention the app and web app... ecobee has a lot of data you can track through the web interface and the app is very nice.
Just remember it's better for your system's longevity to run for a while than frequent short intervals to make small temperature changes.
Deal breaker- non adjustable threshold. The ecobee is the only smart thermostat that has an adjustable threshold. All the others are 0.5⁰ and non adjustable. 0.5⁰=short cycling This will wear out your HVAC components much faster. Threshold should be 1.5⁰-2⁰.
That's why I dropped ecobee for nest
@@Pinhead_larry265 why would you drop ecobee? It's the only one with an adjustable threshold like I said.
@@Pinhead_larry265wait…wut? lol
Nest (at least the 1st gen) has a 2 degree threshold
Going to buy an Ecobee after your video
You won’t be sorry. I love mine.
I have a question with the sensors.....that the furnace is still only going to send air to the whole house. It doesn't have the capability to only send air to one room. The duct system would need automated duct valves that open and close to only send air to a specific room.
You can either set it to average the temp of all the sensors and use that or you can put it in 'follow me' mode and only activate the only the sensor where people are.
Question, you mentioned some temperature swings :) I tried a Nest E thermostat and the occupancy sensor will shut off the cooling mode and not run a home owners away from home programmed temperature setting. The occupancy sensor will override the program and Upon returning back home one will find on hot summer days that their indoor ambient temps will be quit high and the system will then need to try catch and up with maybe 1 to 3 hour recovery run cycles. The indoor furniture and walls and such will be at a higher temp and will also add to longer recovery times... My question is > what is the break even money saving if the system is off for lets say 3 hours and then needs to runs for lets say 1 1/2 hours for recovery to drop back down to the actual desired temperature ???? all the while the home owner is drinking cold lemonade trying to cool down :) Is there an advanced configuration setting on these Nest and Ecobee thermostats to use or not use the occupancy sensor? I could not find this on the Nest E. I pulled the stat and replaced with a Honeywell Vision Pro TH8000 wifi thermostat.
Probably great information from an installers point of view but my suggestion for future videos would be to nix the background music. Not all of us have young ears.
informative video but background music too loud
Nest Power Connector exists, which is similar to the PEK.
I just heard about it - I'll have to include that in the upcoming update video! Thanks!
How important are sensors in a single zone small house? Doesn't seem I would need them.
0:42 😂 Absolutely had to subscribe after you said that lmfao! Jokes aside though, this helped me finally decide between the two. Thanks!
Good Video, but wish you had more info for it.
Such as degrees is it full digit or can they do .5 of a degree up or down.
Also with Ecobee you can leave off many wires depending on use.
Love it! Great video and being your in the industry is a very different than many of the videos. I’m trying to find a justification for the nest but… that ecobee 2 degree differential seems like a major benefit not talked about enough. Any suggestion on which brand if I’m running 2 units with 2 thermostats? Each unit controls half the ranch style home with both units supplying air to the living room with vaulted ceilings (no insulation) in south Florida?
Thanks a lot! I think because ecobee has superior sensors I’d go that route! Sound like a cool place.
I would say it depends on whether you're all in on Google Home or not. If you use Android and more specifically Google Assistant in conjunction with Google Home a lot, then the Nest is the best option for multiple thermostat setups because they'll work together intelligently to save the most money by using a combination of their own internal climate sensors, the optional remote climate sensors, and local weather data along with their learning algorithm that figures out how best to cool or heat your place based on actual performance. So for the first week or so of having the higher end Nest Thermostat(s) installed they're running your system in a variety of ways to try and figure out things like how long the compressor needs to run to cool the air appropriately for the air being being pushed by the fan to adequately cool off your place, because they can independently control the fan and compressor to do something they call "Air Pulse" so you are saving money by running the compressor only as much as it needs to cool the air being pushed by the fan in your vents, versus standard thermostats which run the compressor the entire time the fan is going. They'll also "learn" about your schedule if you allow that feature in the app, and will intelligently cool or heat the home without your input when you're getting close to home, or adjust to a different temperature range when you leave so you can still save money on heating/cooling but your pets won't be miserable. On my Nest there's even a mode called "Cool to Dry
Ecobee, however, has the benefit of being able to connect with independent presence sensors as well as remote temperature and humidity sensors but isn't necessarily tied to one brand like Nest since it supports open standards, so if you know what you're doing with Smart Home routines you can get similar capabilities to the Nest for less cost, and some capabilities that go beyond what the Nest can do. Running dual thermostats should also be fine with it, I'm not sure if it natively supports it but there are certainly tons of automations out there that would make it work. One interesting automation I saw with an Ecobee was an RGB smart bulb in the guy's office that would change to red if the air conditioning or heating was on and any of his windows or exterior doors were open, so he would know to go close them to maximize the efficiency of the climate control.
Hi. Great video. I’m looking to install the Ecobee Premium. I have an oil burner with based board heat. I have a totally separate AC unit. I do have a C wire not connected to my current thermostat. If I hook the C wire up to the AC and to the new Ecobee I believe it will work. I’d love to get your opinion. Ty
Great video! Do either of these work with heat pumps?
yes they do
I don't usually like music in the background of videos, but your selection was a smooth vibe😌. Oh and I just bought the Ecobee for all the reason you mentioned 😆
This is so helpful. Thank you!
Good video, trying to figure out which smart
will do the slave master setup as my 3rd floor Is slave to my 2nd floor so need to a setup that will accommodate that setup, any suggestions
Quick and easy vid. Nice job boss
One of the best videos I've seen..liked and subscribed 👏🏾🤝
Appreciate that
Nest constantly changing from what I want. Switching to ecobee.
Hey what is best ppl
Why doesn’t the ecobee do the smoke detectors too? If the doorbell, the smoke detectors, and the thermostat were tied together so you could
talk to them, that would be great. Surely, someone has thought for this. Nice video btw. ❤
My 2nd gen nest thermostat just gave out, and it's been up to 10 years now. Last night it gave out and keeps saying no power to the Rc and now to the Y. The HVAC technician said everything looks good but the thermostat is the issue. I am interested in trying the eccobee but i only have Y1 RC G and W1 wiring based on my old nest thermostat. So my question is, will the eccobee be able to work with those wires?
just need to use the PEK that comes with the ecobee and it should work. My 2nd gen Nest also just kicked the bucket. DO not get the 2020 version nest (cheaper one). I've had nothing but issues for low power in only one month of installation. I have an Ecobee enhanced ordered, hopefully this solves the problem..
I currently have a gen 3 nest. I have not had any issues, but one. My heat pump compressor doesn't kick on like it should, so I have to power off everything for 5 minutes or so. I have a new compressor, and a new indoor A coil so I know it's not equipment failure. I have to do this maybe two or three times in the summer. I believe it is a common problem with the Nest. Do you have any idea on how to prevent this. I have a blue C wire as well.
Great video mate- wishing you many more subscribers!
Means a lot! Thanks!
We have a Nest and have been experiencing reverse cycling. An A/C tech said that was a common problem with Nest (so did Google!). I’m afraid it going to destroy the compressor on my brand new unit. I don’t remember us having this problem with the old unit and the Nest. Thoughts?
This is why I don’t want a thermostat that will save me money by Cycling my a/c or heat to much. Equals a system premature destructing.
What is reverse cycling? I also have a Nest.
Awesome review and comparison! Thank you.
Do you know if either of these (or any other reasonably priced smart thermostat) can run the fan on regular intervals to equalize the temp between floors?
Yes they both offer that feature. You can set your minutes/hour.
@@TheTrustyTradesman Good to know. Thanks!
As a tec i don't like ecobee ...i hate the calibrating stupid wait there are times that I have to wait up to 15 minutes
When I install them for customers I go into the installer menu - test equipment. It allows you to test each function immediately.
How do the sensors work for temp averaging? I have the typical Northeast cold room situation.
how does the thermostat heat a room were u put a sensor? u need a smart knob on the radiator aswel im guessing?
Looking for the answer to this question
The Nest sucks! It kept kicking me out of the app and have to re-set the unit over and over again. I am trying eco bee next!
Please explain how Ecobee adjust temperature to the desired level based on where it detects people are, WITHOUT the home having a multizone HVAC system? Your description of how the sensors function is a bit misleading.
It works on temperature averages. You’re right it could have been explained better. I’ll keep that in mind for the next one.
@@elran123 oh no worries at all, great video overall, but that's always been my concern with the temp sensors, they are for sure better then just the sensor on the tstat itself, but nowhere close to multizone systems. Obviously not near the cost of multizone systems either.
I have the Honeywell Home RTH6360D1002 thermostat. Can I install the ecobee since it appears that this thermostat only has a W and R wiring. My home has radiator steam heating using gas. I don't have cooling at home.
The battery thing alone is what makes me hate Nest. They did it right with everything else. Preserving battery should not be a priority over function when C wire is installed. Keep getting delayed heating (due to battery aging) is very annoying
It's not that they did it wrong on the battery, it's the fact they should have just stated that a C wire should be used instead of basically leaving the impression that 2 wires or no c wire would be fine. For some systems that's true but for a lot that's not. And they've taken some bad publicity and imho unnecessary if they started that from the get go. That's why the ecobee right from the start states you need a c wire. There are chai solutions to. An external c wire adaptor for $30 will do the trick
Awesome dude ecobee it is
I heard something about ecobee not working well with a heat pump system, particularly that it will not control "Aux Heat". Can anyone confirm this?
This is true. Google Nest has a dedicated feature that lets you control how much aux heat you use and will also track the efficiency of your unit to help reduce any aux heat. Ecobee makes no mention of this feature and it’s nowhere in the thermostat itself or the manual so it’s safe to assume that feature doesn’t exist with the ecobee
Quick question: Can you override any of the "smart" settings. For instance the built in sensor you talked about to see if someone is in the room. Can you turn that on/off? Can you just set a "HOLD AT" option that overrides it all?
I ask because I have a Geothermal HVAC system and Geothermal is designed to work better without a lot of changes. In the winter my radiant floor heat keeps our house fine at 68 degrees. We never set it over 70 in the winter. In the summer when our AC is on is when we tweak the temperatures the most since that uses the fan/blower.
You can turn the sensor function off and there is a hold function.
Just don’t use the fan wire. Swap it to common if you don’t have that 5th wire
very helpful video.
How does the eco bee adjust the temperature differently upstairs than downstairs with one furnace?
With sensors
@@xftbllplyr2091 all it does is average the two together
I don't get the whole sensor thing... How is it going to tell the HVAC system I'm in the living room send all heat/cool there but now my wife is upstairs send that room heat/cool without having dampers that open and close? The system is just going to send heat/cool as it always has...
You can set it either to try to keep certain area most comfortable based on motion sensing or to work on averages.
If you have one furnace, the idea is the remote sensors are in rooms far from the thermostat. Those rooms may have very different temperatures than near the thermostat. So by tracking your movement it can have the furnace run, till the remote sensor in the room You're in, matches the temperature setting. Obviously using this feature will cause other parts of the house to be hotter or cooler, but the idea is to keep you comfortable in the room you happen to be in. If more than one sensor is installed it will use an average from the two or more sensors where there are people in the rooms, this will create the baseline to heat or cool based on your settings.
It would be if you turn off the tunes or stop talking and turn up the tunes
Thanks for the video, great content. I haven't seen your other videos but the audio on this one a bit too loud, makes it hard to hear some of what you're saying! Good luck with the channel :)
Thanks for the feedback! I’ll put it to use.
TH-camrs that are early in their journey think that a background track is needed. I've never understood why. A track is useful for transitions and periods where there is no narration. Otherwise it almost always is distracting. If it's too loud (like this) you just can't process the narration. If it's too low then there is a subliminal annoyance. Another downside of royalty-free tracks is that they are short and after a short time the repetition is kind of like Chinese water torture. Tracks are like salt and pepper. You have to use judiciously. The video editing and content is really good here.
Do either of these thermostats have features that would make them more useful for a home with 2 zones?
For both thermostats, you will need to install a thermostat for each zone.
My biggest concern and why I was here was because I've seen people posting that the Nest thermostats break down after a few years and stop working. Specifically the heatlink failing wihtin 2 years. One guy says he has had 2 fail already, which basically forces you to buy a new thermostat. Is this something you've seen as an HVAC?
Other than that I really like the look and user interace of the Nest, I've seen it in the store its very nice. Aside from the hefty price tag
The ecobee will operate effectively without wifi correct? I’ve always wondered this, and it sounds terrible if they have to have wifi to function correctly.
Yes, you will just have to do everything through the device itself and not its slick web interface or phone app. The app is nice and the data logging is really great as well.
@@ACoustaDC thanks!
How would it cool/heat 1 room and not the other if it all runs on 1 system. How does the air handler know which room to to put more heat or coolness in? It doesnt
Explained at 3:40. It takes the average temp using sensors.
My nest was connected by a technician and he connected the red wire to the Rc port instead of Rh, it’s been working fine for two years but recently started to disconnected from the app(offline). I wonder if that is because of the red wire is conected to Rc port
Do you have a common wire.
@@elran123 I do have a common wire
@@TC-dp3vv nothing wrong with connecting to RC. Could a product or software failure.
Lol, Nest because I could install Nest on a 2 wire support system very easily
Advice: turn off the background music in your video. Your voice is hard enough to hear without unnecessary competion.
You should make the background music louder. I can still hear you a little. 😂
In reference to your #2 Ease of Installation, the Nest Power Connector was available for pre-order around May, and was available in June or July. This is essentially the same as the PEK from Ecobee. Considering that announcement and pre-orders started just about a year ago, and this video came out only 3 months ago, I feel like you really didn't do your research, or relied on severely outdated information that might have (or probably did honestly) sway people to chose Ecobee over Nest.
Also, Nest has Motion sensors for movement detection. These are used to set the system to Home or Away automatically for savings. On top of that, Geofencing can be used with multiple phones for the Nest, vs one phone for Ecobee for even greater saving when used with learning.
Lastly, how can #3 Money Saving Features and #4 Schedule be separated? the whole reason FOR scheduling is to save money. If it wasn't, why would you ever adjust the temp? Just set one temp for each season. for instance, if you like it 70F in the summer, just leave it at that until winter. The only reason people adjust the thermostat is to save money.
I feel like this "Pro" just likes the Ecobee thermostat better, which is fine, but he should just state that at the start of the video, then give the reasons he does instead of this unrealistic competition.
Thanks for your excellent input. I’ll be sure to include that Info in the follow up.
You lost me a Celsius temps. :P In all honesty, no one knows your schedule better than you. I've heard so many people complain about Nest AI learning your schedule that they always disable it if they had it. Guess thermostats are still not smarter than us (and maybe that's good).
Canadian temps. I agree - Fahrenheit FTW.
So which is better ecob or nest ??!
as someone who has had both there really isn't a right answer, they both perform on a high level, both are great looking it depends on your situation. we like the nest better, we liked the app better, we found the nest's eco alogrithim to be much better in saving money and we have a nest protect which work toether in case of an emergency.
@@Boswd thank u
@@dholfactory5878 you're welcome
Ecobee provides more options and data to make economical choices with your system. Nest is like the iPhone (simple, nice looking and easy to use but that's it) and the Ecobee is like Android (ability to dig deeper into setting things how you want). So the question isn't which is better, but more which type of homeowner are you?
@@Boswd Thank you AC INSTALLATION TOMORROW and was debating between the 2 ...¿ What is NEST PROTECT ??? Thank you
It's bad enough that Google is embedded in my phone. They're not getting any further into my smart home. There are too many other options
what exactly do you think they are going to do?
@@Boswd It's not about what I think they're going to do. . It's what they or the others who gain access could do. They are not friendly. I limit as much of my data to my local environment as possible.
@@rrassoc"my smart home" You already fucked up bud lmao
Music from the background makes it impossible to follow you!
What happened to this channel, it seems very informative
bro the music is too loud
turn music off
I just dumped my ecobee because it could only maintain my house to a 10 degree range and that was using 3 remotes to average the temperature. Great user interface, but does not do basic temperature control.
Not the first time I've heard that complaint. What are you using now?
@@TheTrustyTradesman I purchase a Venstar ColorTouch and it was installed yesterday. My room temperature range is now about about 5 degrees (using 1 wireless remote and averaging).
@@FlatCatGear Yep, and Venstar and Honeywell allow a user to adjust the set points deadband and differential settings to fine tune the rooms temperature SWINGS.... I could not find this feature on the Nest E thermostats
@@markhoffmann5941 IT exist on the ecobee, however; if the sensors have a built in time lag, it won't matter.
Honeywell t9
So ask an HVAC specialist about UI and UX?
I’m more into a comfortable environment rather than saving a few bucks.
Great!
ecobee !
I'm an hvac business owner 12yrs, similar age experience as OP, found the voltage bleed early w nest 1st gen, wasn't stoked to be figuring this out on my own in the field. But, had a worse problem with ecobee w HP's, had a HP in the field 2 winters before customer wanted a smart tstat, installed ecobee and it was like, the emergency heat has been on too long and it would turn it off, just straight up let the house get cold, read some half ass workarounds but, stopped installing ecobees on hp jobs, nests are ok but, i don't promote them
Ecobee senses movement upstairs and starts evening out the temperature in that room?... LoL, how does it do that when you only have one furnace for the whole house?
The thermostat will prioritize that room. If your asking for 75 degrees and it senses that only that area it is occupied it will focus on bringing that sensor to your desired temperature if you have it in ‘follow me’ mode by having then furnace run longer or shorter. Great question. If you don’t have it in ‘follow me’ mode, the thermostat will take an average of all the sensors, attempting to make the house as even as possible.
I’m a Home Automation Pro and am on an SoCal Edison beta test program. I needed to change one ‘stat from Nest to Ecobee. While it has a “Hold” and other settings that Nest doesn’t, I absolutely hate it. Changing the temperature is difficult and the show stopper is; when changing the temperature they use white letters on a yellow background. I don’t need “high contrast” settings anywhere, but this low contrast display is incredibly difficult to see. Ridiculous color selection. SMH.
DO NOT PURCHASE AN ECOBEE! Somewhere buried in their code is a bug that drops the wifi connection. First you'll see it go off-line a few times then wont connect to your router at all. To add insult to injury, after sales support does not exist. Ive tried 4 times to get through. Been on hold for at least 6hrs total.
I don't think it's the code. There has to be something in your home throwing off the signal. Or it could be the router if you have too many devices on it. I don't know your particular setup so I can say what it is for sure but I've seen drops happen because of signal issues before.
I hate it why can’t they make one that is user friendly ?
There is a unit called the Sensi, similar premise. No frills at all, but very user friendly and gives you wifi access.
You’re an HVAC tech and you don’t n know that your A/C won’t start no matter the setting if the outdoor temperature is too cold? Isshh
What you’re referring to is a low ambient switch my guy. And they only exist in about 30% of units, and rarely
In the old ones. Thanks for your terrific comment. Ishhhhh