ER doctor here. Aside from everything else that was done wrong, the medical interventions once she reached the surface were horribly inadequate. She had been underwater for 8 minutes, but she still had a chance of survival. With reasonable preparation, medical management, and transport, she might not have died. Here is why. The irreversible damage that leads to death is caused by hypoxia, a lack of oxygen. But the brain, heart, and other tissues can survive for quite a while with very low oxygen availability. There is still a reserve of oxygen in your blood even after 8 minutes. She still had a pulse, which means that blood was still flowing to her brain and other organs. That blood had very low oxygen content, but it had some. This is a very different situation than when there is no pulse and essentially zero oxygen is being delivered to the tissues. As Gus and Woody point out, they needed to get her out of the water fast and ventilate with high flow 100% oxygen. Then they needed to get to a real medical facility fast. Due to her training and baseline exceptionally good health, she could likely have tolerated the hypoxia for much longer than a typical person. Of course there are no guarantees. The lung damage from inhaled sea water, the potential barotrauma caused by rapid ascent while unconscious, and other factors might still have resulted in death. My point is that if you are going to try something this dangerous, you also need to plan for the potential medical crisis. You need to know what everyone is going to do in the worst case.
@Tango Downx2 Yeah, because obviously it’s impossible for doctors to go on youtube… and even if they did, it DEF wouldn’t be on some random account they’d use recreationally but their main one linked to their work email complete with a photo of themselves: a stethoscope across their scrub-bedecked shoulders - scalpel and forceps securely in hand…. 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t use my picture for protection. I don’t want my face on this Satanic weird platform. TH-cam has literal weirdos all over it. There’s nothing wrong with protecting your identity. Plus the government watches everything online.
Suspicious sure, but judging by his dive down after her, could be seen as ultimate guilt or him truly doing his best to save her. Who knows. I'm sure it was a high stress, "I know what I'm doing, don't question me" which breaks all the rules of safety. You check and then double check and ideally it's checked the 2nd time by another person. A fresh mind. Heartbreaking
I get all my diving or cave diving experiences from this channel. I’m to afraid to any deeper than a snorkel. I’m getting so much anxiety from this but I also can’t stop watching.
I'm not a diver, but I just recently discovered your videos. I'm a paramedic and I'm cringing at the "care" provided. What Woody said, "what else could they have done to kill her," is spot on.
RN and entirely agree! Absolute sh*tshow of reckless “care” ( would be malpractice if they held licensure)! Disgusting. She *may* have had a chance with the ability to do such long breath holds. Even 8 min down. 💔💔💔
Having read two books about this tragedy I can only conclude that Pipin "allowed" the ascent air bottle to be empty so, as others have mentioned, he could crash dive down to 100 meters and rescue her. Then all the attention is on his extraordinary feat. Pipin is Cuban and in so many Cuban males there is this compensatory hyper-masculinity. Pipin consciously or unconsciously felt threatened by Audrey's incredible natural ability to dive to such depths that were outside of his ability or at least he thought they were outside of his ability because a year later he dove to that depth as a filmed "anniversary" dive. Pipin is a "persona non grata" in the Miami area. It is pretty much accepted by everyone that he killed Audrey through his deliberate negligence.
@@DavideWernstrung I mean.. I agree with that comment to a certain extent. I think Pipin is guilty, but not of 1st degree murder. I think that entire crew that was there, is JUST as guilty as Pipin. The fact that there was a 300 ft gap in diver in the water in itself is gross negligence.
I saw a documentary about this, and if you look at her face before she takes her last breath before the decent, you can see she was scared. Her husband said he checked that tank that brings her back to the surface and wouldn’t let anyone check behind him. He didn’t have a medical staff there, a diver at 130 m to help her, no chopper on call to take her to a hospital, etc. His classic narcissistic attempt to “save” her was nothing but a show. This was murder, and he’s gotten away with it even though every bit of it is on video.
I am a survivor of an abusive relationship. She was controlled ,worn down and bullied into doing this dive.He is a narcissist, for sure. She belonged to him and therefore she absolutely had to break that record; at all costs. I know people that cannot understand the control and despair she felt. Narcissistic abusers are one of a kind master manipulators. Just Google Narcissist and educate yourself... Prayers for all who knew her..
Exactly and it's incredibly exhausting dealing with someone like that everyday. Beyond the mental, physical and psychological abuse, they lie and gaslight until you are constantly stressed. I always tell people it's like living with someone that tries to convince you the sky is yellow everyday. The combination of all these things breaks you down until you are too exhausted to fight back. That's what they want. I hope people manage to get away from people like this because they never ever change.
Good comments and true in my experience as well. But to add another factor: By the time you're under such control it's become internally normalized, and you're often detached from the type of people who will calibrate that sort of thing. So from the inside something might feel "off" but can still seem perfectly reasonable. Stay strong, survivors! 💪❤️🍍
as a female AIDA level1 diver, Tanya is exactly the embodiment of a role model to look up to. she values safety above all and her humanity, protection and empathy for Audrey, her competitor, was much more inspiring than holding the record itself. true sportsmanship at its finest. i wish for a different ending and that they could have become diving buddies, but a safety lesson for all indeed.
Bullshit... rolemodel, really.. I banged my head, I passed out, no, f*** that,... I still go on a 170m dive a few minutes later. If that is your kind of role model, you are an idiot... with all respect I can give.
I used to manage an emergency shelter for vistims of domestic violence. I just want to thank Gus and Woody for handling this with such grace. I didn't hear any victim blaming or even doubt that she was experiencing abuse. It may not seem like it, but it's extremely rare that I hear people who have no experience with domestic violence talk about it in a way that isn't skeptical of the victim. It really means a lot to me. Thank you.
This. True reflection of character. Am a survivor, @sunshineloved thank you for your work in the emergent care shelter for dv victims, and thank you for mentioning this. Hope everyone reading this is well, even though I am over a year late to this video.
These two guys meticulously understand diving and all of the physical risks associated with it. Like crime investigators, they can tell everything that was off about this dive. The evidence is so clear that she was killed.
In the book The Last Attempt Carlos Serra makes a compelling case that Audrey's death was a result of Pippin Ferreras' attempt at showboating gone wrong. He intentionally did not fill the pony tank for the bag that would carry her to the surface, so that he could stage a heroic rescue. Essentially to upstage her because his ego could not tolerate that she was doing what he could no longer do. Which explains his calling for scuba gear and bombing down into the depths to rescue her. It went wrong and Audrey paid for Pippin's stunt with her life. It is obvious that Audrey didn't want to do the dive, and had a very bad feeling about it for a variety of reasons, and one of the may have been her sense that Pippin had some ulterior motive, that he was up to something. And no rational reading of events can lead one away from the conclusion that Pippin is guilty of at least involuntary manslaughter.
In my years being married to a narcissist, it was only clear at the end that he was at his "best" when he was saving me (even when he blamed me for needing help). When I took steps to become a better version of myself he couldn't handle it, and tried to sabotage my progress in lots of subtle ways. This is absolutely on brand with the type of behaviour a narcissistic person will do to come out on top and it's sickening. ✌️🍍
"He intentionally did not fill the pony tank for the bag that would carry her to the surface, so that he could stage a heroic rescue" Same thought occurred to me.
Most definitely!! In my decade surviving domestic abuse & emotional abuse. From what i can see, he just wanted her to fail so he can act the hero 😢 he should be held accountable!
“What more could they have done to kill her?” Woody, you put it perfectly. Gus you also pointed out that you don’t even have to be a diver to see the lack of safety here, and as a wannabe diver with 0 diving experience, you are 100% right. How could an entire team fail her so badly? How the heck did her husband chose the let this happen???
I mean, it’s pretty clear that at the very least he abused her mentally and physically. Whether he wanted her dead or just taken out of the diving sphere, but clearly he was ok with causing her harm. Personally seems pretty clear that he killed her for whatever reason.
Whether it be jealousy of her higher skill level or just that he’s an abusive SOB that enjoyed causing her discomfort. But he was adamant no one check her tank, and leave kevTanya said, that’s negligence at the very least.
@@Mo.1988 no, but based on several of the documentaries I've watched where people close to them say that he abused her, and being a survivor myself, I can see the signs. She was afraid of him. She felt pressured to do this, of course by herself but by others as well. Did you watch the reaction? Do YOU know them? If so and you have some inside info then forgive me for my opinion, but based on this and other videos, including the documentary they're reacting to, the entire team is at fault here.
He drove that poor girl to her death… you can see it in her face. As someone who when through abuse growing up…. She was a survivor. She is free now 🙏🏻❤️
I doubt it was on purpose. He risked his life to get her back up and, he had to involve a lot of people. And one of them would have talked at one point. I think a lot went wrong in the preparation and they still decided to do this dive.
@@umpalumpa-qw8ru of course it wasn't on purpose, there would have been far easier ways then that to kill her if he wanted, it was just the culmination of abuse and recklessness.
Through the descriptions, he sure seems like that "Psycho-Doctor" who liked attention for saving lives, so rigged emergencies until he ended up killing patients... ;o)
When I first heard about this I was like yeah that guy killed her on purpose. The fact he was that adamant about not letting anyone check the tanks was insane. Especially the fact that she didn’t check it herself has me perplexed. I definitely would check the one thing that my life is relying on personally and if I was uncertain about something I would ask others.
Learned helplessness, maybe. She might’ve been abused for “questioning his diving knowledge” before. If he’s so obsessed with records and titles, I could see him being very defensive of his “work”
Well said. Something is stinky in Denmark, or whatever the saying is. I knew something was fishy when the story first broke. When I saw this dude, I sensed he was the very jealous type that wanted to control everything and even though this was her record dive, he liked to be in the spot light and make it all about himself. When Audrey started becoming the new rising star, outshining him, he had had enough, time to pull the plug.
@@JusticeForDinner Yeah I think that's a good point. She may have asked to check it in the past and he'd snap at her and tell her it was done and not to question him. Also someone else mentioned she may have been in resignation that he was going to find a way to kill her after saying she was leaving him. May have already threatened her and she'd given up fighting. Idk. But she did look resigned in the video.
@@e.starling141 it also could have been a situation where he was planning on staging a heroic rescue and maybe she knew about it and that’s why she was detached because she knew she wasn’t going to make the record. There’s so many theories but regardless I feel like it’s his fault.
The tragedy that happend to Audrey is all due to Pipins grandiose ego and he could not stand to be in the shadow of Audrey. It absolutely incomprehensible that he wasn't prosecuted for manslaughter. As a former paramedic I can say when Audrey came up to the surface there were signs and it was possible to resuscitate her. She showd many signs that it was possible with proper medical care. On the other hand when they carried her on the sunbed to the room for treatment sevaral minutes later, you could see she was gone and beyond resuscitation. Her eyes was fixed and her body had completely stop working. Pipin should be in prison.
Devil's advocate ----- Now I'm not here to attempt to dampen the seriousness that surrounds such an event.. With that being said, I believe everyone that was involved in that dive was responsible. And that the only reason why anybody else on that dive points a finger at Pippin is because they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions or rather lack thereof in this situation... The dentist was responsible because they knew that they shouldn't have been there in place of an actual doctor... Every single team member on that drive was responsible because they all knew what was going on. Every single one of them knew that there would be a large gap with no one there to help her... Or are you telling me that team members of such a dive all act in the dark only caring about their own part without even considering everybody else? I could continue going through the list on and on but every single person including Audrey herself we're responsible for the occurrences that happened that day. We can speculate all we want about what her and her husband's marital life without solid proof that's all we can say it is speculation, we can sit there and blame the fact that he pushed her so hard (which if she would have survived and completed the dive successfully everyone would have congratulated him for), we can sit there and discuss the what ifs and what about all we want... But in the end it was Pippin, not the team, not emergency rescue, not anyone else, whom risked their own life to dive down after her and to ascend at such a quick rate to save her... So in the end I do not believe anyone should be charged with manslaughter. Considering that this was a terrible event that occurred out of multiple unexpected issues that all occurred simultaneously... In the end tragedies happen. We can't always put blame on one specific person. We can look back at those events and try to do our best to remedy the situation so as to not occur again, (which I believe any diver who looks at the history of diving and the deaths related to it would agree with me.) In the end tragedies happen. Pippin may have not been the best man, both morally or professionally, but in the end he's still simply a man, no more no less. And though I cannot say what he thinks about the situation, or whether he feels morally responsible or not. But what I can say is that unlike the rest of the team involved that day whom lost a friend, he lost a wife. And not only that has to live the rest of his life believing that it may have been his fault all the while having everyone around pointing fingers blaming him for the entire thing, pulling themselves out of the equation, all the while speculating on motive.... It is a sad event. I think people need to take a step back before they begin to judge people for what occurred in this video... And unless there is more documentation or pre event evidence that has not been showed in this video that would say otherwise I think somebody needs to bring that up first otherwise we only go off of what we have.
What kind of ego . It’s was a pure murder . I leave the house I’m checking f. Iron if it’s off here they are going to break a record and tanks are empty . Are you f thinking ??? You do not need to ask Pipin if tanks are loaded - you need to triple check it .
What really sent shivers down my spine were not the bruises or the fact she was super quiet. He seemed to take away her support that often happens by people that want to "own" or "hold" someone to themselves. Also rumors flying may not be all true but there is often enough are not just rumors but the fact that Pippin said "I am going for it" that morning was telling. HE wasn't going for anything but he decided her success was his success.
I've been a Domestic Violence Counselor/Advocate for the last decade. Thank you, Gus and Woody, for not only speaking about Audrey but also the domestic violence that she had obviously suffered. Thank you for your grace in speaking about it as well.
I have absolutely no doubt that she was in a very abusive relationship. I think she knew that day that she was going to die. Just her entire demeanor she knew something was seriously wrong and that this dive was not going to end well. They did absolutely everything wrong. Everything! I can’t find one thing that was done right for setting up that dive. Nothing was done right once they took her out of the water even. They did everything wrong. Ugh 😩 Just heart breaking!. I honestly feel like she was murdered that day.
Possible, I believe she knew pepin rigged the tank so he could jump in and be the hero that saved his wife but unfortunately it all went wrong, and I also believe he intentionally killed her because of either jealousy or the pregnancy
I agree, I think that Sociopath who was abusing her planned this whole thing! And shame on the rest of the men for allowing all the lapses in safety protocols. This creep is at large and without a doubt abusing another woman. It stinks to the high heavens. 😡
I completely agree. I’ve been in a relationship that controlling and all the signs are there and then some. To me, it’s very obvious, I think it is for a lot of us. I’m not sure if she thought she would die that day or soon, but I think she knew it was coming. I think when she threatened to leave him, he threatened her life. You can see the resignation in her body language. Before she gets on the boat, she’s looking off into the distance. She is not present. She is at least partially dissociated. That day, she was just going through the motions. Like a machine. Then you see her on the boat, leaning back, slouched and her hands on her head. A clear sign of resignation. I think his reason for killing her was preventing her from leaving him. I think his reason for risking his life was because he’d rather die with her than suffer the shame of her leaving him.
@@bighonker6842 I think that’s fair to say - that he wanted to look like a hero. From my experience though, men like him cannot stand a woman leaving them. Usually narcissism is the source. They can’t stand the shame, they can’t stand the rejection, and they can’t stand the idea of losing control. I’ve been with men who have quite literally pushed and pulled me out of a door. “Leave” “no please don’t leave” it’s absolutely terrifying to see someone’s mind splitting in different directions and you are the target of it. It makes no sense. But these people don’t think logically. They just don’t.
From what I'm hearing he dove down 270 feet on AIR and immediately came back up ? That's pretty risky. He easily could've died. If he was so set on killing her why do that and risk his own life ? No one else was bringing her up. Why go after a handful of minutes ? Why not wait longer ? Situation is sketchy for sure but those are pretty weird things to do if you want her to die
As a physician who has done code blues, I find it really hard to believe they felt an actual pulse. It is hard to find a pulse in controlled environments but on a boat, in a panic, no medical personnel, eight minutes free floating in the water and drifting and clearly massive pulmonary edema/injury a pulse would be extremely unlikely. So having an AED seems like a no brainer, putting oxygen on her, doing chest compressions, and a real paramedic or emergency trained physician is necessary. Not a dentist…
Every time you two bring on a celebrity guest to discuss things as experts in their field, I'm ALWAYS so pleasantly surprised. I audibly gasped when you introduced Tanya onto the program -- another amazing piece of diving content, thank you.
I can't stop crying and I'm only 26 minutes in. I can't imagine the impending doom she felt for the whole 24-48 hrs before and the utter terror she felt while she was dying.
Gus, as a victim of dv and someone who has seen this entire documentary. YES YES and YES. The signs of a narcissist (not all are abusers, but many abusers are narcissists) are present in Pipin. The symptoms of a controlling and abusive relationship are clear between them. The fact he wouldn't let anyone else check the tank that ended up stranding her in the dark of the ocean is a great indicator of how controlling he is as a person in general.
What struck me was when Tanya was talking about calling off dives, that everyone in her team felt comfortable to do that and how safety was a priority. I feel that Audrey did not get that choice. She probably would have been aware of Tanya’s dive and her safety protocols to certain extent. Imagine what Pipin would have done if she had called it off! Heartbreaking. His ego is so great that he probably doesn’t even think he did anything wrong 💔
What's worse than what he did? Punch her again? Break her bones? At least she would be alive. At least she could get help that wasn't directly controlled by her narcissistic ego-maniac husband. What's even more scary is that this type of man is very, very common.
The other guy seemed to praise him for going down for her! Rather ironic when it looks like she was not at all happy with diving that day…breaking 1 record wasn’t enough.
@@donnamorgan2522 What he did & the risks he took would be remarkable & honourable if he did it to save his wife rather than save his puppet. Most people would easily die doing what he did, even other experienced divers.
I am a survivor of 3 decades of abuse. Her expressions, her temperament, her disconnection from the world. The red flags are unfortunately everywhere. I feel as if the picture of her staring at the ocean in the group.... She made a choice that may have contributed to her unfortunate death. This is only my opinion from what I see of the look on her face. Manipulating, abusive narcissistics are the worst people on this planet. ❤❤❤
All the free divers i've meet talk about the mental preparation they do before a dive. Yoga, meditation and breathing exercises they use to prepare their minds and achieve low metabolic state for such deep dives. That detatchment look in her eyes might be from such a state. On the other hand... if she was being pressured it would surely afect her concentration and ability to maintain a low metabolic state. If that was the case, then i knew he was setting her up for disaster.
What I don't understand is... with all of these people who very clearly knew something was wrong... i.e. they noticed her depressed demeanor, they knew she was severely lacking in support divers (to the point of a rescue literally bordering on being impossible), they knew Pipin was acting erratic and suspicious, they literally admitted to having a foreboding sense of danger, etc... so why the hell did they agree to go forward with this dive!? Why didn't ANY of them "man up" by stepping down? Simply say, "I don't feel we have the proper and/or adequate system in place to provide Audrey with a safe environment to perform this dive, therefore I want no part of this." I'm pretty sure if even one of them decided to opt out, many others would have quickly followed suit. Obviously, that would have been both the proper and moral thing to do in this situation, yet regardless of all the bad vibes they were getting, they all just went forward with it anyway -- and now Audrey is no longer with us. Such a woefully unnecessary and easily avoidable tragedy. And lastly, of course, f*ck Pipin! What a narcissistically egotistic, deplorably heartless bastard.
Easy. Haven't you ever been in a high-stress situation where something feels off but yet you can't put your finger on exactly what so you just carry on and don't say anything hoping for the best? They were probably reassuring themselves, oh we've done this so many times I'm sure we'll be fine.
@@primalcrittersat a certain point you have to pay attention when another person is counting on you to stay alive though, if the scale of things that can go wrong is literal DEATH at a couple things gone wrong, how many things can go wrong permanently without death just because someone was having an off day, they failed that girl.
@@primalcritters but here you can very clearly put your finger on what’s wrong. Figures don’t lie: 16 security divers versus two and with a huge gap. That are indisputable facts.
I grew up in a very violent home with a lot of physical abuse by my father toward both my mother and I. Frequently, the behavior that Audrey displayed on that day can have a few different meanings. It's an outward display of what is happening on the inside, it's a red flag to silently let others know that there are serious issues at hand, and lastly and perhaps most importantly, it's often also a silent cry for help. Sadly, as is often the case with outsiders around abusers, no one wanted to "get involved" and "step on his toes" and unfortunately, Audrey lost her life because of it. She NEEDED someone to step in and say, "wait a minute....whatever is going on here, the vibes are all wrong for this to carry on. This CAN'T happen today." Maybe the guys who normally may have been there but weren't, would have been the ones who had the nerve to do that and look out for her, who knows? It's a tragedy that no one intervened when she needed them most. As a victim of domestic violence, control and psychological abuse, my heart breaks for her. She was waving red flags all over the place that morning and NEEDED a hero. None stepped up and she paid with her life.
Tanya was so generous to come on and share her experience and expertise. My heart really goes out to her. I hope that her advocacy really picks up attention through everything
There should ALWAYS be someone double checking for safety. Unfortunately, everyone was bullied by Audrey’s husband. People like him should never be left in charge of anything.
The whole point he broke away from organisation’s & started his own was entirely to cut corners on Audrey’s safety without being called out. Can’t do that with established entities checking
I'm just so amazed by what a fantastic person Tanya is. Her eloquence, her approach to free diving and record setting, how appreciative she is of her team and how she handles the death of Audrey Mestre are very inspiring.
I watched this doc a while ago and was totally heartbroken for Audrey because I just felt she was totally manipulated and treated like she was nothing. What a horrible waste of life. So sorry for the people who loved and lost her. Thanks again guys! ❤
what really really clinched it for me was when Tanya offhandedly remarked early on in the video that she hoped that this guy wouldn't find out where she lived. I think that says it all about what type of person pipin is. this is beyond tragic. I'm heartbroken and furious and i hope that wherever she is now, Audrey is at peace. my heart aches for Audrey's family and loved ones. thank you both for covering this with compassion and respect. as a woman and and survivor, it means a lot.
This has nothing to do with diving but I've seen it. I am a certified range safety officer at a gun range. We had a club member that I'll call 'Bob.' Bob had what my wife calls a small man complex. He was about 5'5" tall and had an attitude that grated on everyone he came into contact with at the range. I spoke to him about it on many occasions. Bob had an absolutely stunning girlfriend who incidentally, was about 5'8" tall. She wanted no part of guns, which as a range safety officer, tells me a lot. But Bob wanted her to shoot and he didn't just want her to shoot a .22. He made her shoot his .357magnum. There were many times we saw her crying. Finally, one day in the range, I called a ceasefire. She'd been shooting the .357 and was crying the entire time. I told her to put the gun down and I said, "You don't have to shoot it again." Bob said, "Yes she does. The only way she's going to get over this stupid fear is to shoot. So she is going to shoot." I said, "Actually, she's not. I'm the range safety officer. My range, my rules. I have decided that it is unsafe for her to shoot so she doesn't shoot." She said, "Thank you," and left. He exploded. I didn't care at all. About a week later, the owner of the range said, "Bob's girlfriend finally had enough and left him." Good. She was going to get hurt if he kept it up. I wish someone on Audrey's team told her she didn't have to make that dive. Safety divers shouldn't just use 'safety' in the water.
I seriously reckon you stepping in and standing up for her changed her mindset completely, finally realised how much of a beast her ex was Like she’s good enough for a stranger to look out for but her own man won’t! Thank you!
Thank you for saying this because other people are trying to put down the other members of a dive team. What they don't understand is the psychology and the temperament of somebody like Pippin. I had an ex similar to that. He wouldn't force me to do things like that, however he was extremely controlling, narcissistic, intimidating, and had an alpha temperament. He was not short or lacking in the man department so-to-speak, but he still had a horrible Alpha complex and no man wanted to challenge him. Maybe men like you, but most other men would never challenge him so it is very plausible for me to imagine that the other members of that team on that day when Audrey died did not want to confront Pippin about the airbag because he is so temperamental and aggressive, it intimidates people
The way she was before the dive reminds me of how a lot of elite athletes are- Michael Phelps, Steph Curry and others isolate themselves, sit alone with headphones and are very much in a zone so her pre event behavior I don’t think that alone indicates anything ominous. The bruise on eye, loud arguments, people talking about divorce and pipin isolating her and her equipment tells a very concerning story.
The responsibility of the husband is quite clear here, but there are other things which I am struggling to comprehend. I was always thinking that if a group of people are planning to achieve something risky as a world record freedive, then they are evaluating the potential threats as a team and agree on the response protocols (like FMEA or Threat Modeling in IT) and when they start the event everyone has a common understanding and are in agreement with the plan. I can't imagine that for example the safety divers weren't thinking on the fact that the min depth the deep diver can ascend is deeper than the max depth the shallow diver can descend. Why didn't they speak up? Why did they participate in this? Also what was the dentist thinking when he accepted the task of being the doctor on board when someone is attempting to break a WR?
it doesn't sound like the dentist even "accepted the task" at all. for him to say "..i'm not a doctor, i'm a dentist!" when the victim came in...i don't think he was ever told he was supposed to be an attending medic. like at all.
What a great episode. Tanya is so eloquent and grounded, what a pleasure to hear her speak about her journey, as well as get her expert input on the tragic loss of Audrey. And Gus and Woody, another excellent, informative episode. Gracious and respectful all around, everyone. And Pipin is an abusive narcissist who should be in prison for either first or second degree murder. I said what I said.
Two things: 1. Woody summed up my thoughts exactly "what more could they have done to kill her" 2. Gus and Woody, you guys are just killing it. It's one thing to dredge up a story, a sad story, and just lay it out, maybe make some opinions but no, that is not the Dive Talk way. You guys get the absolute best of the best, world record holder on to explain this sport to the ignorant like myself and bring it back to something positive. She's amazing. Great work!
Makes you wonder if she was so sick of the abuse she just gave up. You could tell something was off before she went in the water. So sad!! Just so sad!!
I was wondering the same thing. I recognized the look on her face immediately. I’ve had the look myself. She looked like she knew she was going to die and didn’t feel like she had a choice.
Man...when i just remember when i first came to this channel...there was only 16K of subscribers...and to see you now with 200+K of subscribers,im so freakin' happy for you guys...your effort,your true reactions and your profesionalism..it all pay-up,and it will yet to pay-up! Greetings from your Dubrovnik,Croatia✌️🇭🇷
Super cool people. It's one of those few channels that are simply amazingly good. The one thing holding them back is that there simply isn't an unlimited amount of amazing stuff to talk about.
As a survivor of DV, who still has a DVPO and now even my Concealed Carry, my heart truly breaks for this young woman... The sadness in her eyes and the pressure she must've felt that day is so sad... 💔
Audrey was derailed ,confused , and totally in state of PTSD ...from a Sociopathic Narcissist...That machine had to be checked no matter...I hope 20years later ...He is put to justice
Think about it like this. To break the record she needed to go to 161m. Pippin wanted her to go to 172. Why? Because the bottom diver can only ascend to 90m which leaves a gap between her and the other diver at 80m. If she went down to 161m, she would've been at a depth to allow a handover with the first diver at approximately 80m. He wanted her dead.
@@ratflail215 Yeah, that would at least provide SOME motive for this alleged murder! WAY too many people are screaming that he CLEARLY murdered her but what's always missing is the big WHY! Because he didn't like her? Because he didn't make enough profit off of her? Because she was about to end their relationship? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me... He had her totally under his control and needed her alive, ESPECIALLY if he really did abuse and exploit her non-stop...
Great point. I didn't know there was a support diver at 80m. I know the bottom diver stopped at 90m to decompress when Pippen came crashing down ontop of him and grabbed her. I guess the other possibility is Pippen (and I am in no way defending that scumbag) didn't want her handed off to the first diver at 80m so he could crash down to 90m and perform his heroic rescue, save her and become a hero for the ages....
Tanya was great in the documentary. You could see that she cared for Audrey as a rival and a fellow athlete at the top of the sport. She is such an intelligent and strong woman and to have her on the show was a great addition. Good job guys. I love when you bring the experts into the situation. You've continued to do better since I subscribed when you had around 3k subs and I know you'll keep doing your best. Thanks for that.
OMG 😳 as a respiratory therapist I take into account many different scientific laws, some of them dealing with atmospheric law. Thinking about what happens to the body at each stage of this event has totally rattled me to the core. This seems as if its staged against her. She deserves justice 😢 ❤
You were right on the money concerning the character of this EXTREMELY talented young lady. I was thinking the exact thoughts as you were saying them. It overjoyed me to listen to her speak.... Sometimes being a truly good human being is easily identifiable. Very much LOVE and RESPECT to all three of you.
I did watch this a few years ago, it is heartbreaking. I'm greatful you guys push to talk about difficult things though, and appreciate Tanya for going through the thoughts for probably her millionth time but also explaining this dicipline of freediving which I was never able to find much info about ❤🙂
As a critical care RN, the amount of training you need to act fast, remain calm, and perform the right medical interventions is years worth, and it appears none of the people there seemed qualified to do so. I mean she should have been immediately intubated and bagged with O2 and rushed to decompression and received proper medical care. Granted 5+ minutes without O2 results in extreme anoxic Brian injury with basically no chance of recovery, but she was given absolutely no chance from start (having only 2 safety divers at depth) to end (no experienced Medical staff)… this was really hard to watch. Pulled at my heart strings.
I didnt understand why they didnt have her on her side while she was foaming at the mouth so she wouldnt choke on it. Everything happened for this dive was extremely wrong.
@@kaitlynengelland2723 the problem with a salt water drowning is exactly as you have seen loads of pink frothy foam coming out of the mouth. The salt water in the lungs cause severe pulmonary oedema due to the salt water creating a situation where you get osmosis occurs. The only possibility for survival and even then it’s low is intubation and positive pressure ventilation with high levels of oxygen.
@Tango Downx2 but there was still a chance. I assume that is why and that’s literally like saying we were gonna crash anyways so I didn’t try to slow down.
@Tango Downx2 why are you saying this in the comments of the two people who claim to be medical professionals and are critical about the lack of immediate medical care, and not all of the other comments from armchair psychologists claiming that she was definitively abused or implying that Pipin murdered her? This doesn't sound like someone throwing blame, moreso a statement of fact that immediate medical attention and proper dive planning could have increased her odds of survival. A better analogue would be if someone had a heart attack at home - while taking aspirin and calling an ambulance/EMS aren't guaranteed to save a person's life, the odds are absolutely better than if someone were to drive a person having a heart attack to the ER themselves
I remember watching the documentary when I was young and found the injustice so disgusting. I’m glad I can revisit this with my two favorite divers and hear their professional opinions and justifying condemnation of it. Thanks guys.
Tanya is one amazing person and I admire her honest answers. I knew nothing about free diving until I came across the story about Audrey. You filled in a lot of the blanks to the story. Thank you guys for the continuing excellence you bring to your reports.
As a veteran viewer of the Dive Talk channel I know I appreciated her coming and doing this interview, I can't imagine how hard it must be to relive that scenario over in her mind as she answers the questions with honesty and heart. So Thank you for doing this for our education and entertainment. May love and blessings cover your future.
"What more could they have done to kill her?" just sums up the whole horrific situation. Asking what more they could have done to keep her safe has answers too huge to list. Heartbreaking 💔
Y’all are just the best - I know you’ve gotten requests to do this story for a long time, but I really respect that it seems like you waited to do it until you could bring an authority on the sport on to really do the story right. Your commitment to teaching people about safe diving is very clear and appreciated!
Thank you, yes, we’ve waited for months to do this reaction with Tanya because what better authority to speak about this horrific record dive than the person who owns that record?
I love how you guys bring people on who are experts in their field or have first hand knowledge about whatever subject you are talking about. Adds a lot to the conversation.
Although very tragic, I'm glad to see you guys cover this, it's been a request of mine for a while, as well as lots of other subs..thanks guys, you gave her much respect, as I knew you would, never had a doubt!! Truthfully, everyone feels like you guys,( says alot about his lack of character to say the very least, what kind of husband does this...) except her husband, it's a tragedy.. Again, thanks guys!! Love the channel ❤️
These guys have a good heart. These guys have witnessed and seen things that a lot of us will never see nor go through or understand. And then to bring it to social media and put it in terms for us to understand and see is so lovely thank you guys for everything. keep up the good work ❤😊. And RIP to the beautiful soul that was lost. Stay blessed 🙏
I'm an ED and OR nurse with a lot of experience in codes it is shocking how this case was handled once she resurfaced! I think I didn't see anything which was done right on her by this people after she was brought up. The lack of safety divers was also kind of a big knock down. At this point how can one talk about "safety divers"? This divers couldn't even ascend with her because they would have risked their lives as well. They were basically just messengers down there, like a phone tower or what!? Realistically she was sent down own her own! There is one person here who should be held accountable and that is her husband Pipin. I'm sorry if that wasn't murder then I don't know what is.
Man I am saddened by todays discussion however this provides insight that a simple Iowa boy like me wouldn’t get otherwise. Been watching for close to a year now. Keep doing what y’all do.
Awww man watching this made me so uncomfortable, I can't even explain it. I don't dive but I'm thankful that you two gentlemen are pointing out how irresponsible this dive was. My God.
I am glad you guys commented on this video. It is very disturbing, I just got back from a cruise and my daughter and I were able to take 2 dives in Cozumel and this was her first 2 dives outside of her open water course certification. I was a Firefighter/EMT and went through paramedic school many years ago this whole scene disturbs me. I constantly talked to my daughter before we got in the water for each dive and after each dive to make sure she was ok, she understood hand signals and what to do in the case of an emergency or we get separated. I explained that diving is a safe sport if you do not cut corners and follow the rules. I have had to perform CPR on a good number of people in my 14 years and although I am not rescue diver certified I can see the issues with this situation. I can not believe how negligent it is to not have all the planning in place for any possible eventuality, and not cutting any safety corners. I constantly check and double check my equipment before every dive and every day on the fire truck I would do the same. Do not rely on anyone to have checked items out. I did one time and we showed up on scene, the person that claimed they checked the O2 bag brought it into the house I went to put it on the patient and there was no O2 in the bottle. Thankfully I was just providing some for supplementary O2 for the patient and it had not effect on their care. After the call as the officer on the unit my firefighter and I had a chat needless to say he could not sit for a while after the butt chewing and I never trusted anyone again unless I saw for myself. Especially when dealing with safety equipment.
I am 54 and have only been in three long-term relationships in my lifetime. My marriage was verbally abusive and after my divorce my next one was extremely physically abusive. Both started lovingly but turned dark once moving in together. I can totally see the signs written all over her face and overall body language. She was forced, she obviously told him she didn't feel comfortable doing it and there WAS some altercation, and she wasn't given an option to say no. So sad! For years I felt like I deserved it somehow. Now I know better. Thank you for shedding light on Audreys story. May that sweet angel rest in peace 🙏❤
I've been on local dive boats when there were emergencies. In those it surprised me how quickly they got the victim from the surface and onto the deck of the dive boat. Just a few seconds. Amazingly quick, and have the victim on oxygen, just as quick. In this video, it just looked in slow motion.
I always knew it was weird that Pippin didn't let anyone else check her equipment, but I didn't realize the extent of his abuse. This is so much sadder than I realized
Poor Audrey the free diver. Speculation weather husband tampered with equipment that may have caused death. She had safety divers staged but they couldn’t give her air because the lungs shrink under pressure so super dangerous. RIP, amazing woman with bags of courage!
Hard to say, but based on the fact that the husband made a risky dive down to pull Audrey up from 90 meters would imply to me that he didn't want her to die. If he had messed with her gear to try and kill her, why take such a huge risk? I think the guy is guilty of being abusive or at least an asshole, but I don't think he was intentionally trying to kill her.
I've never been abused in a romantic relationship but I'm the child of abusive parents. When they had a goal or achievement in mind for me, it was a relief to dedicate myself to something that I thought would make them proud. I had a chance to earn their approval. Once it was over, whether I achieved it or not, the fear set in again because there was no way for me to guess what they would want from me. Maybe this record was something like that, Audrey had a way to appease him and maybe "earn" his love and approval. Once it was over, the uncertainty would set in again. I'm not sure if the way I explained it makes sense. All I can think is how much she suffered.
Everything is utterly heartbreaking. The fact she turned away from him before the last kiss and he seemed to desperate to send her down just gives me the chills. Thank you for talking about this, guys. You were amazing, as usual.
I would bet she was about to break up with him and he knew it. She had finally gained some recognition of her own and maybe felt strong enough to leave him. I mean, in her last moments on the surface, she was dissing him in front of everyone, in public, with video recording it all. So sad she had to die for his weaknesses.
I mean, I think murder IS the appropriate word here! The husband's reaction to people double checking the life-saving device she totally depended on speaks volumes in my opinion...
0 dive experience, but I was a lifeguard for 4 years. She’s gotta be outta that water in under 60 seconds. The speed which they moved once she surfaced was just awful. Idk if they mentioned it, but it looks to have been at least 2-3 minutes. Fine for a spinal injury, but fatal for a person that’s not breathing. No backboard at the edge, no supplemental oxygen. “What more could they have done to kill her” sums it up perfectly.
I watched this documentary and she was murdered. She was sent down with no way to fill the bag to bring her back up. Everyone involved should have been charged! Absolutely horrible
It was a pleasure listening to Tanya share her experiences and stories. She’s really cool! You guys always have the most interesting people on, I love it.
You guys handled this with such grace. Very well done. I think I could listen to Tanya talk all day. She seems so knowledgeable, very respectable, like a good human and a complete badass
I’m almost 81 now, but at one time in my life, I was a paramedic. I was horrified at what I was seeing. It was all wrong, all wrong. These people did not know what they were doing. You’re right it was very hard to watch.
It was ridiculous and very suspicious that he would not let anyone check the most important part. He probably practiced that dive so he could look like he tried to save her. The rescue was chaotic and you could see it in her body language before the dive she knew she was going to die. She should have trusted herself poor woman. Abuse victims are under a strong hold by their abusers. I have been there many years ago for a six year period but got out of it.
You're right Gus, I was raised in a violent home where my poor mum was beaten etc. It stopped when he tried to drown me, I was 5 years old. That's one main reason I don't go near deep water and just watch you professionals do your things! 😄 I definitely see signs that Audrey was possibly abused by her husband, the fact that he cared more about a title than his wife's safety says it all imho. Love and respect, as always, to you both from Scotland 🏴❤🇺🇸
I’m glad Dive Talk covered this documentary, it’s one that I’ll re-watch from time to time and it always leaves me perplexed. I’m with Woody on being furious at Audrey’s husband for how he acted towards the other safety team members that wanted to double check the lift bag cylinder. RIP Audrey Mestre and ALWAYS verify cylinders for yourself 😞
I stumbled across this channel after the Ocean Gate Titan tragedy. Fell down a rabbit hole which led me to this video & walked away with a few words that really stuck out to me & I will forever apply to my everyday life. “Not an ideal start, don’t know what that means but I’m not gonna decide right here & now that it means I can’t do it. I’m gonna keep going.” 💛
I’m not a diver, never dived, no interest in diving…come across your channel by mistake.. now I can’t go to sleep with out watching one of your videos! Absolutely intriguing.. love you guys I have learnt so much
Hell of a video. You did a great job with analysis and interview. It's baffling and depressing how that man has gotten away with what he's done. Gus you're not stupid, all it takes is a fraction of empathy for anyone looking at that footage from the day of the dive to see that Audrey was not ok. Thank you so much to Tanya for being willing to talk about what is frankly a traumatic event in itself without the difficulty of knowing these people and being passionate about the sport. And thank you Woody for your closing remarks to Tanya, her attitude and approach to life really do show that she is truly a good person 💙
I had heard a little about this incident, but hearing your perspectives as always deepens my understanding. On a personal note, Gus, when you said you’d never had experience with DV, all I could think was, “I’m so glad.” So many people close to me have experienced it, including myself, and no one deserves it.
I recently went and watched the full documentary and I am convinced the same as the man who wrote the book about it... that her husband didn't fill the tank on purpose so that he could be a hero. How he could think that it would have worked in his favor, I don't know. Maybe in the end it did. He never was prosecuted was he? The whole story is sad. An amazing human gone because of the negligence of the person who was supposed to love and protect her.
I'm skeptical that he wanted to be a hero and rescue her. There was no plan for that. Woth only 2 safety divers, how was he going to know she needed rescued? He waited a long time so a living rescue wasn't likely and for all he knew he could have needed to dive well below 100m, which almost certainly would have killed him. Maybe he was so blinded by ego he panicked when what he thought out fell apart.
I'm in tears watching this. This is the hardest video I've had to watch on this channel, and I know there were other disasters shown. But damn, such a travesty that didn't have to happen.
This was an incredible interview, thank you guys for all the effort you put into this channel. It's an incredibly heartbreaking story. Everything leads back to the husband, even though I can't imagine he left the tank empty on purpose. My inclination is to assume negligence through overconfidence due to his inflated ego. In any case, F that guy. He needs to be held accountable for this somehow. Tanya seems so genuine and caring, I have no doubt she still hurts to this day, and I wasn't surprised at all at the answers she gave to the very difficult questions. I felt for her quite a bit, as I'm sure you did too, all through the timeline you reached out for the interview, convinced her to come on, setting it up... I'm not a diver, but I'm a very curious person who loves to delve into a bit of everything, and I love watching Dive Talk.
Thanks for the opportunity to understand what rescue and recovery divers must go through to help give closure to a grieving family. Thank you for your service.
“I’m a dentist - not a Dr”!!!???? WTF that Pipin wasn’t charged? I’ve got nothing but sympathy for Audrey as there was clearly some sort of coercive control happening but what about everyone else involved in this event? Why did people participate in a dive that so obviously lacked effective safety protocols? Finding it hard not to think of them as enablers tbh.
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ER doctor here. Aside from everything else that was done wrong, the medical interventions once she reached the surface were horribly inadequate. She had been underwater for 8 minutes, but she still had a chance of survival. With reasonable preparation, medical management, and transport, she might not have died. Here is why. The irreversible damage that leads to death is caused by hypoxia, a lack of oxygen. But the brain, heart, and other tissues can survive for quite a while with very low oxygen availability. There is still a reserve of oxygen in your blood even after 8 minutes. She still had a pulse, which means that blood was still flowing to her brain and other organs. That blood had very low oxygen content, but it had some. This is a very different situation than when there is no pulse and essentially zero oxygen is being delivered to the tissues. As Gus and Woody point out, they needed to get her out of the water fast and ventilate with high flow 100% oxygen. Then they needed to get to a real medical facility fast. Due to her training and baseline exceptionally good health, she could likely have tolerated the hypoxia for much longer than a typical person. Of course there are no guarantees. The lung damage from inhaled sea water, the potential barotrauma caused by rapid ascent while unconscious, and other factors might still have resulted in death. My point is that if you are going to try something this dangerous, you also need to plan for the potential medical crisis. You need to know what everyone is going to do in the worst case.
@Tango Downx2 Yeah, because obviously it’s impossible for doctors to go on youtube… and even if they did, it DEF wouldn’t be on some random account they’d use recreationally but their main one linked to their work email complete with a photo of themselves: a stethoscope across their scrub-bedecked shoulders - scalpel and forceps securely in hand…. 🤦🏻♂️
@Tango Downx2 they are humans too, I don’t see why not..
Oh I’d drill it over, and over.
I don’t use my picture for protection. I don’t want my face on this Satanic weird platform. TH-cam has literal weirdos all over it. There’s nothing wrong with protecting your identity. Plus the government watches everything online.
ID doc here. ER doc 100% on point. Thank you for all you do @Steven Turner! Thank you also to Dive Talk for your amazing content and inspiration!
I cannot believe that Pipin saying that the bottle was all set, and he didn’t let anyone near it, was not suspicious to anyone.
Suspicious sure, but judging by his dive down after her, could be seen as ultimate guilt or him truly doing his best to save her. Who knows. I'm sure it was a high stress, "I know what I'm doing, don't question me" which breaks all the rules of safety. You check and then double check and ideally it's checked the 2nd time by another person. A fresh mind. Heartbreaking
She goes; he becomes the star?
@@YamahaR12015 he's a narc... that was all a show for him so the praises would go all to him if she survives. unfortunately, she did not.
You can't ignore Pippens instructions he definitely caused the death of this girl
Yeah, I agree. This seems like it could have been intentional.
“What more could they have done to kill her” sent shivers up me back
Woody’s comment was exactly right
Nothing more to say beyond this comment
Woody is a straight shooter
And it's so true.
I get all my diving or cave diving experiences from this channel. I’m to afraid to any deeper than a snorkel. I’m getting so much anxiety from this but I also can’t stop watching.
I'm not a diver, but I just recently discovered your videos. I'm a paramedic and I'm cringing at the "care" provided. What Woody said, "what else could they have done to kill her," is spot on.
RN and entirely agree! Absolute sh*tshow of reckless “care” ( would be malpractice if they held licensure)! Disgusting. She *may* have had a chance with the ability to do such long breath holds. Even 8 min down. 💔💔💔
But, there was pink foam coming out of her mouth. How can anyone give CPR with that happening? Can someone please explain?
@@anitaholtz7497 Mouth to mouth isn’t taught anymore. Chest compressions are the most important. They could still be done.
@@musicmanfelipe It depends on the context of the CPR tbh. In the case of drowning mouth to mouth is more optimal than normal CPR
A year later, RN and yeah, totally agree
Having read two books about this tragedy I can only conclude that Pipin "allowed" the ascent air bottle to be empty so, as others have mentioned, he could crash dive down to 100 meters and rescue her. Then all the attention is on his extraordinary feat. Pipin is Cuban and in so many Cuban males there is this compensatory hyper-masculinity. Pipin consciously or unconsciously felt threatened by Audrey's incredible natural ability to dive to such depths that were outside of his ability or at least he thought they were outside of his ability because a year later he dove to that depth as a filmed "anniversary" dive. Pipin is a "persona non grata" in the Miami area. It is pretty much accepted by everyone that he killed Audrey through his deliberate negligence.
That’s a disgusting comment. Stop with your speculations. Were you there??
@@Mo.1988pipin himself
@@Mo.1988 Pipin - tell us, how is your lawsuit against Netflix going?
Cuba .. Peru. Both women and men crap cheap
@@DavideWernstrung I mean.. I agree with that comment to a certain extent. I think Pipin is guilty, but not of 1st degree murder. I think that entire crew that was there, is JUST as guilty as Pipin. The fact that there was a 300 ft gap in diver in the water in itself is gross negligence.
I saw a documentary about this, and if you look at her face before she takes her last breath before the decent, you can see she was scared. Her husband said he checked that tank that brings her back to the surface and wouldn’t let anyone check behind him. He didn’t have a medical staff there, a diver at 130 m to help her, no chopper on call to take her to a hospital, etc. His classic narcissistic attempt to “save” her was nothing but a show. This was murder, and he’s gotten away with it even though every bit of it is on video.
@@godnyx117 sadly true 😩
True
Why didn't she secure her safety?
I don't understand why he is not in prison
@@laia3937 because law is stupid
I am a survivor of an abusive relationship. She was controlled ,worn down and bullied into doing this dive.He is a narcissist, for sure. She belonged to him and therefore she absolutely had to break that record; at all costs. I know people that cannot understand the control and despair she felt. Narcissistic abusers are one of a kind master manipulators. Just Google Narcissist and educate yourself... Prayers for all who knew her..
Same , happy you survived too
This ☹️
Exactly and it's incredibly exhausting dealing with someone like that everyday. Beyond the mental, physical and psychological abuse, they lie and gaslight until you are constantly stressed. I always tell people it's like living with someone that tries to convince you the sky is yellow everyday. The combination of all these things breaks you down until you are too exhausted to fight back. That's what they want. I hope people manage to get away from people like this because they never ever change.
Wow you’re hopping like a rabbit on steroids, chill and keep on educating yourself.
Good comments and true in my experience as well. But to add another factor: By the time you're under such control it's become internally normalized, and you're often detached from the type of people who will calibrate that sort of thing. So from the inside something might feel "off" but can still seem perfectly reasonable.
Stay strong, survivors! 💪❤️🍍
I was blown away and literally shouted "WHAT???" when the "doctor" on board stated he was a dentist.
Thanks, dive daddies
I know this is old but I’ve returned this video for another watch and literally chuckled at the “dive daddies” lmao
Yeah as a medical student with friends who do dentistry - that is CRAZY
Yesssss i screamed "WHAT TF IS A DENTIST DOING ON A DIVE BOAT????
as a female AIDA level1 diver, Tanya is exactly the embodiment of a role model to look up to. she values safety above all and her humanity, protection and empathy for Audrey, her competitor, was much more inspiring than holding the record itself. true sportsmanship at its finest. i wish for a different ending and that they could have become diving buddies, but a safety lesson for all indeed.
Bullshit... rolemodel, really.. I banged my head, I passed out, no, f*** that,... I still go on a 170m dive a few minutes later.
If that is your kind of role model, you are an idiot... with all respect I can give.
@@ggbellz what a bizarre idea that women need role models in the 21.st century… 🤪
Refusing to let anyone check the bottle should have set off alarm bells. That alone should have been enough for a conviction.
I used to manage an emergency shelter for vistims of domestic violence. I just want to thank Gus and Woody for handling this with such grace. I didn't hear any victim blaming or even doubt that she was experiencing abuse. It may not seem like it, but it's extremely rare that I hear people who have no experience with domestic violence talk about it in a way that isn't skeptical of the victim. It really means a lot to me. Thank you.
💯.
Thank you. So true. Survivor myself.
too true, even if people are on the side of the victim, they still give the abuser the benefit of the doubt saying "we don't know everything"
This. True reflection of character. Am a survivor, @sunshineloved thank you for your work in the emergent care shelter for dv victims, and thank you for mentioning this. Hope everyone reading this is well, even though I am over a year late to this video.
These two guys meticulously understand diving and all of the physical risks associated with it. Like crime investigators, they can tell everything that was off about this dive. The evidence is so clear that she was killed.
In the book The Last Attempt Carlos Serra makes a compelling case that Audrey's death was a result of Pippin Ferreras' attempt at showboating gone wrong. He intentionally did not fill the pony tank for the bag that would carry her to the surface, so that he could stage a heroic rescue. Essentially to upstage her because his ego could not tolerate that she was doing what he could no longer do. Which explains his calling for scuba gear and bombing down into the depths to rescue her. It went wrong and Audrey paid for Pippin's stunt with her life.
It is obvious that Audrey didn't want to do the dive, and had a very bad feeling about it for a variety of reasons, and one of the may have been her sense that Pippin had some ulterior motive, that he was up to something. And no rational reading of events can lead one away from the conclusion that Pippin is guilty of at least involuntary manslaughter.
In my years being married to a narcissist, it was only clear at the end that he was at his "best" when he was saving me (even when he blamed me for needing help). When I took steps to become a better version of myself he couldn't handle it, and tried to sabotage my progress in lots of subtle ways. This is absolutely on brand with the type of behaviour a narcissistic person will do to come out on top and it's sickening. ✌️🍍
"He intentionally did not fill the pony tank for the bag that would carry her to the surface, so that he could stage a heroic rescue"
Same thought occurred to me.
Here’s my take: if my life is on the line I’m checking that shit 3 times walk away and be like pfft one more time won’t hurt
Most definitely!! In my decade surviving domestic abuse & emotional abuse. From what i can see, he just wanted her to fail so he can act the hero 😢 he should be held accountable!
Imagine if she knew. Like it was planned by him, and he told her, and she knew and was basically forced to go along.
“What more could they have done to kill her?” Woody, you put it perfectly. Gus you also pointed out that you don’t even have to be a diver to see the lack of safety here, and as a wannabe diver with 0 diving experience, you are 100% right.
How could an entire team fail her so badly? How the heck did her husband chose the let this happen???
I mean, it’s pretty clear that at the very least he abused her mentally and physically. Whether he wanted her dead or just taken out of the diving sphere, but clearly he was ok with causing her harm. Personally seems pretty clear that he killed her for whatever reason.
Whether it be jealousy of her higher skill level or just that he’s an abusive SOB that enjoyed causing her discomfort. But he was adamant no one check her tank, and leave kevTanya said, that’s negligence at the very least.
*she* should have made sure *she* was gonna be alright FIRST. They did not kill her. They were grossly UNPREPARED
@@samanthasalamone128 do you know them?
@@Mo.1988 no, but based on several of the documentaries I've watched where people close to them say that he abused her, and being a survivor myself, I can see the signs. She was afraid of him. She felt pressured to do this, of course by herself but by others as well. Did you watch the reaction? Do YOU know them? If so and you have some inside info then forgive me for my opinion, but based on this and other videos, including the documentary they're reacting to, the entire team is at fault here.
"...and Audrey took her final breath" man that line hits differently.
He drove that poor girl to her death… you can see it in her face. As someone who when through abuse growing up…. She was a survivor. She is free now 🙏🏻❤️
You are not a survivor if you die.
@@Celisar1 your probably lucky enough to never experience struggle if you believe that. Gods got a kingdom up. Quite literally. Set free
@@Celisar1I agree. You aren’t a survivor if your abuser intentionally murders you!!!! 😢😢😢😢
Everyone in the documentary agreed pretty much. This was the husband’s fault. Whether ego or on purpose. He did this.
I'm not sure that makes all of the other participants as much less culpable as they would like to think...
I doubt it was on purpose. He risked his life to get her back up and, he had to involve a lot of people. And one of them would have talked at one point. I think a lot went wrong in the preparation and they still decided to do this dive.
@@umpalumpa-qw8ru of course it wasn't on purpose, there would have been far easier ways then that to kill her if he wanted, it was just the culmination of abuse and recklessness.
@@michaelmadden2741 and that includes Audrey.
Through the descriptions, he sure seems like that "Psycho-Doctor" who liked attention for saving lives, so rigged emergencies until he ended up killing patients... ;o)
When I first heard about this I was like yeah that guy killed her on purpose. The fact he was that adamant about not letting anyone check the tanks was insane. Especially the fact that she didn’t check it herself has me perplexed. I definitely would check the one thing that my life is relying on personally and if I was uncertain about something I would ask others.
Learned helplessness, maybe. She might’ve been abused for “questioning his diving knowledge” before. If he’s so obsessed with records and titles, I could see him being very defensive of his “work”
Well said. Something is stinky in Denmark, or whatever the saying is. I knew something was fishy when the story first broke. When I saw this dude, I sensed he was the very jealous type that wanted to control everything and even though this was her record dive, he liked to be in the spot light and make it all about himself. When Audrey started becoming the new rising star, outshining him, he had had enough, time to pull the plug.
@@UltraReefReseller Well I think more than that she told him she was leaving him. Which to a man like him is unacceptable.
@@JusticeForDinner Yeah I think that's a good point. She may have asked to check it in the past and he'd snap at her and tell her it was done and not to question him. Also someone else mentioned she may have been in resignation that he was going to find a way to kill her after saying she was leaving him. May have already threatened her and she'd given up fighting. Idk. But she did look resigned in the video.
@@e.starling141 it also could have been a situation where he was planning on staging a heroic rescue and maybe she knew about it and that’s why she was detached because she knew she wasn’t going to make the record. There’s so many theories but regardless I feel like it’s his fault.
The tragedy that happend to Audrey is all due to Pipins grandiose ego and he could not stand to be in the shadow of Audrey. It absolutely incomprehensible that he wasn't prosecuted for manslaughter. As a former paramedic I can say when Audrey came up to the surface there were signs and it was possible to resuscitate her. She showd many signs that it was possible with proper medical care. On the other hand when they carried her on the sunbed to the room for treatment sevaral minutes later, you could see she was gone and beyond resuscitation. Her eyes was fixed and her body had completely stop working. Pipin should be in prison.
Definitely. Throw his ass in jail!
Devil's advocate -----
Now I'm not here to attempt to dampen the seriousness that surrounds such an event..
With that being said, I believe everyone that was involved in that dive was responsible. And that the only reason why anybody else on that dive points a finger at Pippin is because they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions or rather lack thereof in this situation...
The dentist was responsible because they knew that they shouldn't have been there in place of an actual doctor...
Every single team member on that drive was responsible because they all knew what was going on. Every single one of them knew that there would be a large gap with no one there to help her... Or are you telling me that team members of such a dive all act in the dark only caring about their own part without even considering everybody else?
I could continue going through the list on and on but every single person including Audrey herself we're responsible for the occurrences that happened that day.
We can speculate all we want about what her and her husband's marital life without solid proof that's all we can say it is speculation, we can sit there and blame the fact that he pushed her so hard (which if she would have survived and completed the dive successfully everyone would have congratulated him for), we can sit there and discuss the what ifs and what about all we want...
But in the end it was Pippin, not the team, not emergency rescue, not anyone else, whom risked their own life to dive down after her and to ascend at such a quick rate to save her...
So in the end I do not believe anyone should be charged with manslaughter. Considering that this was a terrible event that occurred out of multiple unexpected issues that all occurred simultaneously...
In the end tragedies happen. We can't always put blame on one specific person. We can look back at those events and try to do our best to remedy the situation so as to not occur again, (which I believe any diver who looks at the history of diving and the deaths related to it would agree with me.)
In the end tragedies happen. Pippin may have not been the best man, both morally or professionally, but in the end he's still simply a man, no more no less.
And though I cannot say what he thinks about the situation, or whether he feels morally responsible or not. But what I can say is that unlike the rest of the team involved that day whom lost a friend, he lost a wife. And not only that has to live the rest of his life believing that it may have been his fault all the while having everyone around pointing fingers blaming him for the entire thing, pulling themselves out of the equation, all the while speculating on motive....
It is a sad event. I think people need to take a step back before they begin to judge people for what occurred in this video...
And unless there is more documentation or pre event evidence that has not been showed in this video that would say otherwise I think somebody needs to bring that up first otherwise we only go off of what we have.
What kind of ego . It’s was a pure murder . I leave the house I’m checking f. Iron if it’s off here they are going to break a record and tanks are empty . Are you f thinking ??? You do not need to ask Pipin if tanks are loaded - you need to triple check it .
Yeah, I watched the documentary years ago. This incident really angers me. To me it seems like outright murder.
Bullshit, that man risked his life to save his wife. They made a mistake. Shit happens. How about some accountability to the ones doing the dive?!
What really sent shivers down my spine were not the bruises or the fact she was super quiet. He seemed to take away her support that often happens by people that want to "own" or "hold" someone to themselves. Also rumors flying may not be all true but there is often enough are not just rumors but the fact that Pippin said "I am going for it" that morning was telling. HE wasn't going for anything but he decided her success was his success.
I've been a Domestic Violence Counselor/Advocate for the last decade. Thank you, Gus and Woody, for not only speaking about Audrey but also the domestic violence that she had obviously suffered. Thank you for your grace in speaking about it as well.
I have absolutely no doubt that she was in a very abusive relationship. I think she knew that day that she was going to die. Just her entire demeanor she knew something was seriously wrong and that this dive was not going to end well. They did absolutely everything wrong. Everything! I can’t find one thing that was done right for setting up that dive. Nothing was done right once they took her out of the water even. They did everything wrong. Ugh 😩 Just heart breaking!. I honestly feel like she was murdered that day.
Possible, I believe she knew pepin rigged the tank so he could jump in and be the hero that saved his wife but unfortunately it all went wrong, and I also believe he intentionally killed her because of either jealousy or the pregnancy
Thank you so much for sharing the obvious signs. I commented above with some more. Cheers!
I agree, I think that Sociopath who was abusing her planned this whole thing!
And shame on the rest of the men for allowing all the lapses in safety protocols.
This creep is at large and without a doubt abusing another woman.
It stinks to the high heavens. 😡
I completely agree. I’ve been in a relationship that controlling and all the signs are there and then some. To me, it’s very obvious, I think it is for a lot of us. I’m not sure if she thought she would die that day or soon, but I think she knew it was coming. I think when she threatened to leave him, he threatened her life. You can see the resignation in her body language. Before she gets on the boat, she’s looking off into the distance. She is not present. She is at least partially dissociated. That day, she was just going through the motions. Like a machine. Then you see her on the boat, leaning back, slouched and her hands on her head. A clear sign of resignation.
I think his reason for killing her was preventing her from leaving him. I think his reason for risking his life was because he’d rather die with her than suffer the shame of her leaving him.
@@bighonker6842 I think that’s fair to say - that he wanted to look like a hero. From my experience though, men like him cannot stand a woman leaving them. Usually narcissism is the source. They can’t stand the shame, they can’t stand the rejection, and they can’t stand the idea of losing control. I’ve been with men who have quite literally pushed and pulled me out of a door. “Leave” “no please don’t leave” it’s absolutely terrifying to see someone’s mind splitting in different directions and you are the target of it. It makes no sense. But these people don’t think logically. They just don’t.
Tanya is an incredible woman. Pipin planned and got away with the perfect murder. My heart goes out to Audrey and her family.
From what I'm hearing he dove down 270 feet on AIR and immediately came back up ? That's pretty risky. He easily could've died. If he was so set on killing her why do that and risk his own life ?
No one else was bringing her up. Why go after a handful of minutes ? Why not wait longer ?
Situation is sketchy for sure but those are pretty weird things to do if you want her to die
@@chetwalther-ep9zb that's why the staged heroic rescue theory is so popular
What a ridiculous accusation. The only people who should be blamed for this is the person or organization in charge.
@@Kunfucious577 people have been blaming him for years dude. He's like O.J.
Everrryooone thinks he did it
I was thinking that to before I watched the whole video the guy risked his life to bring her up so idk maybe but not likely
As a physician who has done code blues, I find it really hard to believe they felt an actual pulse. It is hard to find a pulse in controlled environments but on a boat, in a panic, no medical personnel, eight minutes free floating in the water and drifting and clearly massive pulmonary edema/injury a pulse would be extremely unlikely. So having an AED seems like a no brainer, putting oxygen on her, doing chest compressions, and a real paramedic or emergency trained physician is necessary. Not a dentist…
Right. Why did he even agree to come?! Everyone carries some culpability, but at least they weren't 100% useless
Folks were probably feeling their own pulses due to their own adrenal stress in such a situation.
I agree and thought the same thing.
@@Vasilia4 Well he's still technically a trained Dr, but doubtful he's experienced in emergency situations. I'm also curious what his actual role was.
@@e.starling141 but wouldn't that be a doctor in the same sense that a psychologist or anyone else with a PhD is a doctor?
Every time you two bring on a celebrity guest to discuss things as experts in their field, I'm ALWAYS so pleasantly surprised. I audibly gasped when you introduced Tanya onto the program -- another amazing piece of diving content, thank you.
I can't stop crying and I'm only 26 minutes in. I can't imagine the impending doom she felt for the whole 24-48 hrs before and the utter terror she felt while she was dying.
Gus, as a victim of dv and someone who has seen this entire documentary. YES YES and YES. The signs of a narcissist (not all are abusers, but many abusers are narcissists) are present in Pipin. The symptoms of a controlling and abusive relationship are clear between them. The fact he wouldn't let anyone else check the tank that ended up stranding her in the dark of the ocean is a great indicator of how controlling he is as a person in general.
What struck me was when Tanya was talking about calling off dives, that everyone in her team felt comfortable to do that and how safety was a priority. I feel that Audrey did not get that choice. She probably would have been aware of Tanya’s dive and her safety protocols to certain extent. Imagine what Pipin would have done if she had called it off! Heartbreaking. His ego is so great that he probably doesn’t even think he did anything wrong 💔
What's worse than what he did? Punch her again? Break her bones? At least she would be alive. At least she could get help that wasn't directly controlled by her narcissistic ego-maniac husband. What's even more scary is that this type of man is very, very common.
Oh, given the traits these kinds of people possess, I can almost guarantee he feels he did nothing wrong.
The other guy seemed to praise him for going down for her! Rather ironic when it looks like she was not at all happy with diving that day…breaking 1 record wasn’t enough.
@@donnamorgan2522 What he did & the risks he took would be remarkable & honourable if he did it to save his wife rather than save his puppet. Most people would easily die doing what he did, even other experienced divers.
@@donnamorgan2522 probably got paid by pipin to say that...couple of grand to stfu maybe...
I am a survivor of 3 decades of abuse. Her expressions, her temperament, her disconnection from the world. The red flags are unfortunately everywhere. I feel as if the picture of her staring at the ocean in the group.... She made a choice that may have contributed to her unfortunate death. This is only my opinion from what I see of the look on her face. Manipulating, abusive narcissistics are the worst people on this planet. ❤❤❤
I haven't been abused, but I'm pretty good at recognising signs of abuse, her whole demeanor seemed like she was utterly defeated, so sad.
You were anally abused?
I’ve btdt with the abusive,manipulating narcissistic sociopath. Being manipulated into doing things that horrified me,just to avoid his wrath.
All the free divers i've meet talk about the mental preparation they do before a dive. Yoga, meditation and breathing exercises they use to prepare their minds and achieve low metabolic state for such deep dives.
That detatchment look in her eyes might be from such a state.
On the other hand... if she was being pressured it would surely afect her concentration and ability to maintain a low metabolic state. If that was the case, then i knew he was setting her up for disaster.
I'm a victim of physical and mental abuse by two different men. IMO he was definitely physically and mentally abusing her. 😢🙏
What I don't understand is... with all of these people who very clearly knew something was wrong... i.e. they noticed her depressed demeanor, they knew she was severely lacking in support divers (to the point of a rescue literally bordering on being impossible), they knew Pipin was acting erratic and suspicious, they literally admitted to having a foreboding sense of danger, etc... so why the hell did they agree to go forward with this dive!? Why didn't ANY of them "man up" by stepping down? Simply say, "I don't feel we have the proper and/or adequate system in place to provide Audrey with a safe environment to perform this dive, therefore I want no part of this." I'm pretty sure if even one of them decided to opt out, many others would have quickly followed suit. Obviously, that would have been both the proper and moral thing to do in this situation, yet regardless of all the bad vibes they were getting, they all just went forward with it anyway -- and now Audrey is no longer with us. Such a woefully unnecessary and easily avoidable tragedy. And lastly, of course, f*ck Pipin! What a narcissistically egotistic, deplorably heartless bastard.
Easy. Haven't you ever been in a high-stress situation where something feels off but yet you can't put your finger on exactly what so you just carry on and don't say anything hoping for the best? They were probably reassuring themselves, oh we've done this so many times I'm sure we'll be fine.
@@primalcrittersat a certain point you have to pay attention when another person is counting on you to stay alive though, if the scale of things that can go wrong is literal DEATH at a couple things gone wrong, how many things can go wrong permanently without death just because someone was having an off day, they failed that girl.
@@kyyomilo true
@@primalcritters but here you can very clearly put your finger on what’s wrong. Figures don’t lie: 16 security divers versus two and with a huge gap.
That are indisputable facts.
I grew up in a very violent home with a lot of physical abuse by my father toward both my mother and I. Frequently, the behavior that Audrey displayed on that day can have a few different meanings. It's an outward display of what is happening on the inside, it's a red flag to silently let others know that there are serious issues at hand, and lastly and perhaps most importantly, it's often also a silent cry for help. Sadly, as is often the case with outsiders around abusers, no one wanted to "get involved" and "step on his toes" and unfortunately, Audrey lost her life because of it. She NEEDED someone to step in and say, "wait a minute....whatever is going on here, the vibes are all wrong for this to carry on. This CAN'T happen today." Maybe the guys who normally may have been there but weren't, would have been the ones who had the nerve to do that and look out for her, who knows? It's a tragedy that no one intervened when she needed them most. As a victim of domestic violence, control and psychological abuse, my heart breaks for her. She was waving red flags all over the place that morning and NEEDED a hero. None stepped up and she paid with her life.
Tanya was so generous to come on and share her experience and expertise. My heart really goes out to her. I hope that her advocacy really picks up attention through everything
I love Tanya Streeter
There should ALWAYS be someone double checking for safety. Unfortunately, everyone was bullied by Audrey’s husband. People like him should never be left in charge of anything.
The whole point he broke away from organisation’s & started his own was entirely to cut corners on Audrey’s safety without being called out.
Can’t do that with established entities checking
I'm just so amazed by what a fantastic person Tanya is. Her eloquence, her approach to free diving and record setting, how appreciative she is of her team and how she handles the death of Audrey Mestre are very inspiring.
Yes, same, she is incredible! And all her conservation work as well.
absolutely amazing
She’s so straightforward and passionate. Her anger is palpable and she’s not afraid to say it.
But she was more porn in her young days
I watched this doc a while ago and was totally heartbroken for Audrey because I just felt she was totally manipulated and treated like she was nothing. What a horrible waste of life. So sorry for the people who loved and lost her.
Thanks again guys! ❤
where can i find the documentary? 😓😓😓 i can't find on netflix
what really really clinched it for me was when Tanya offhandedly remarked early on in the video that she hoped that this guy wouldn't find out where she lived. I think that says it all about what type of person pipin is.
this is beyond tragic. I'm heartbroken and furious and i hope that wherever she is now, Audrey is at peace. my heart aches for Audrey's family and loved ones.
thank you both for covering this with compassion and respect. as a woman and and survivor, it means a lot.
This has nothing to do with diving but I've seen it. I am a certified range safety officer at a gun range. We had a club member that I'll call 'Bob.' Bob had what my wife calls a small man complex. He was about 5'5" tall and had an attitude that grated on everyone he came into contact with at the range. I spoke to him about it on many occasions. Bob had an absolutely stunning girlfriend who incidentally, was about 5'8" tall. She wanted no part of guns, which as a range safety officer, tells me a lot. But Bob wanted her to shoot and he didn't just want her to shoot a .22. He made her shoot his .357magnum. There were many times we saw her crying. Finally, one day in the range, I called a ceasefire. She'd been shooting the .357 and was crying the entire time. I told her to put the gun down and I said, "You don't have to shoot it again." Bob said, "Yes she does. The only way she's going to get over this stupid fear is to shoot. So she is going to shoot." I said, "Actually, she's not. I'm the range safety officer. My range, my rules. I have decided that it is unsafe for her to shoot so she doesn't shoot." She said, "Thank you," and left. He exploded. I didn't care at all. About a week later, the owner of the range said, "Bob's girlfriend finally had enough and left him." Good. She was going to get hurt if he kept it up. I wish someone on Audrey's team told her she didn't have to make that dive. Safety divers shouldn't just use 'safety' in the water.
I seriously reckon you stepping in and standing up for her changed her mindset completely, finally realised how much of a beast her ex was
Like she’s good enough for a stranger to look out for but her own man won’t!
Thank you!
Thank you for saying this because other people are trying to put down the other members of a dive team. What they don't understand is the psychology and the temperament of somebody like Pippin. I had an ex similar to that. He wouldn't force me to do things like that, however he was extremely controlling, narcissistic, intimidating, and had an alpha temperament. He was not short or lacking in the man department so-to-speak, but he still had a horrible Alpha complex and no man wanted to challenge him. Maybe men like you, but most other men would never challenge him so it is very plausible for me to imagine that the other members of that team on that day when Audrey died did not want to confront Pippin about the airbag because he is so temperamental and aggressive, it intimidates people
The way she was before the dive reminds me of how a lot of elite athletes are- Michael Phelps, Steph Curry and others isolate themselves, sit alone with headphones and are very much in a zone so her pre event behavior I don’t think that alone indicates anything ominous. The bruise on eye, loud arguments, people talking about divorce and pipin isolating her and her equipment tells a very concerning story.
The responsibility of the husband is quite clear here, but there are other things which I am struggling to comprehend. I was always thinking that if a group of people are planning to achieve something risky as a world record freedive, then they are evaluating the potential threats as a team and agree on the response protocols (like FMEA or Threat Modeling in IT) and when they start the event everyone has a common understanding and are in agreement with the plan.
I can't imagine that for example the safety divers weren't thinking on the fact that the min depth the deep diver can ascend is deeper than the max depth the shallow diver can descend. Why didn't they speak up? Why did they participate in this?
Also what was the dentist thinking when he accepted the task of being the doctor on board when someone is attempting to break a WR?
But there was a control freak in charge of this one, his over inflated ego wouldn't listen to anyone else.
@@catherinewilliams3850 True, but he wouldn't have been able to execute it without the team.
@@catherinewilliams3850 Not a good enough reason......they could all have said no.
it doesn't sound like the dentist even "accepted the task" at all. for him to say "..i'm not a doctor, i'm a dentist!" when the victim came in...i don't think he was ever told he was supposed to be an attending medic. like at all.
@@mikloszakar5314Seems like Pipin needed „witnesses“ and not a professional team.
What a great episode. Tanya is so eloquent and grounded, what a pleasure to hear her speak about her journey, as well as get her expert input on the tragic loss of Audrey. And Gus and Woody, another excellent, informative episode. Gracious and respectful all around, everyone.
And Pipin is an abusive narcissist who should be in prison for either first or second degree murder. I said what I said.
If this wasnt intentional murder, it was sure as hell manslaughter. Unforgivable.
Two things: 1. Woody summed up my thoughts exactly "what more could they have done to kill her"
2. Gus and Woody, you guys are just killing it. It's one thing to dredge up a story, a sad story, and just lay it out, maybe make some opinions but no, that is not the Dive Talk way. You guys get the absolute best of the best, world record holder on to explain this sport to the ignorant like myself and bring it back to something positive. She's amazing. Great work!
Makes you wonder if she was so sick of the abuse she just gave up. You could tell something was off before she went in the water. So sad!! Just so sad!!
Agreed
I was wondering the same thing. I recognized the look on her face immediately. I’ve had the look myself. She looked like she knew she was going to die and didn’t feel like she had a choice.
I thought that too
Man...when i just remember when i first came to this channel...there was only 16K of subscribers...and to see you now with 200+K of subscribers,im so freakin' happy for you guys...your effort,your true reactions and your profesionalism..it all pay-up,and it will yet to pay-up! Greetings from your Dubrovnik,Croatia✌️🇭🇷
They grow fast I’ve been at the dam soreing while they were diving and Gus is a big boy 😳but there both very nice 🤠
Right? I love it when interesting and informative channels succeed.
Super cool people. It's one of those few channels that are simply amazingly good. The one thing holding them back is that there simply isn't an unlimited amount of amazing stuff to talk about.
@@reeperkeegan7241 they are my favourite channel on YT
omg wow yea I remember when they had around that much. damn, congrats to Dive Talk!
As a survivor of DV, who still has a DVPO and now even my Concealed Carry, my heart truly breaks for this young woman... The sadness in her eyes and the pressure she must've felt that day is so sad...
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Audrey was derailed ,confused , and totally in state of PTSD ...from a Sociopathic Narcissist...That machine had to be checked no matter...I hope 20years later ...He is put to justice
@@elenimoudakis966 i hope so too
Think about it like this.
To break the record she needed to go to 161m.
Pippin wanted her to go to 172. Why?
Because the bottom diver can only ascend to 90m which leaves a gap between her and the other diver at 80m.
If she went down to 161m, she would've been at a depth to allow a handover with the first diver at approximately 80m.
He wanted her dead.
Yeah I'm not one who usually gets into conspiracy theories but I wonder what her life insurance was like.
They should have said This
@@ratflail215 Yeah, that would at least provide SOME motive for this alleged murder! WAY too many people are screaming that he CLEARLY murdered her but what's always missing is the big WHY! Because he didn't like her? Because he didn't make enough profit off of her? Because she was about to end their relationship? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me...
He had her totally under his control and needed her alive, ESPECIALLY if he really did abuse and exploit her non-stop...
@@ratflail215the word is intent lol
Great point. I didn't know there was a support diver at 80m. I know the bottom diver stopped at 90m to decompress when Pippen came crashing down ontop of him and grabbed her. I guess the other possibility is Pippen (and I am in no way defending that scumbag) didn't want her handed off to the first diver at 80m so he could crash down to 90m and perform his heroic rescue, save her and become a hero for the ages....
Tanya was great in the documentary. You could see that she cared for Audrey as a rival and a fellow athlete at the top of the sport. She is such an intelligent and strong woman and to have her on the show was a great addition. Good job guys. I love when you bring the experts into the situation. You've continued to do better since I subscribed when you had around 3k subs and I know you'll keep doing your best. Thanks for that.
This was so well done, guys. Thank you for bringing light to this story and special thanks to Tanya for talking about this tragedy.
OMG 😳 as a respiratory therapist I take into account many different scientific laws, some of them dealing with atmospheric law. Thinking about what happens to the body at each stage of this event has totally rattled me to the core. This seems as if its staged against her. She deserves justice 😢 ❤
You were right on the money concerning the character of this EXTREMELY talented young lady. I was thinking the exact thoughts as you were saying them. It overjoyed me to listen to her speak.... Sometimes being a truly good human being is easily identifiable. Very much LOVE and RESPECT to all three of you.
Huge thank you to Tanya for the interview! It can't be an easy thing to talk about. ♥️♥️
I did watch this a few years ago, it is heartbreaking. I'm greatful you guys push to talk about difficult things though, and appreciate Tanya for going through the thoughts for probably her millionth time but also explaining this dicipline of freediving which I was never able to find much info about ❤🙂
As a critical care RN, the amount of training you need to act fast, remain calm, and perform the right medical interventions is years worth, and it appears none of the people there seemed qualified to do so. I mean she should have been immediately intubated and bagged with O2 and rushed to decompression and received proper medical care. Granted 5+ minutes without O2 results in extreme anoxic Brian injury with basically no chance of recovery, but she was given absolutely no chance from start (having only 2 safety divers at depth) to end (no experienced Medical staff)… this was really hard to watch. Pulled at my heart strings.
I didnt understand why they didnt have her on her side while she was foaming at the mouth so she wouldnt choke on it. Everything happened for this dive was extremely wrong.
@@kaitlynengelland2723 the problem with a salt water drowning is exactly as you have seen loads of pink frothy foam coming out of the mouth. The salt water in the lungs cause severe pulmonary oedema due to the salt water creating a situation where you get osmosis occurs. The only possibility for survival and even then it’s low is intubation and positive pressure ventilation with high levels of oxygen.
@Tango Downx2 but there was still a chance. I assume that is why and that’s literally like saying we were gonna crash anyways so I didn’t try to slow down.
thank you for all of your hard work Lindsey! It’s greatly appreciated!
@Tango Downx2 why are you saying this in the comments of the two people who claim to be medical professionals and are critical about the lack of immediate medical care, and not all of the other comments from armchair psychologists claiming that she was definitively abused or implying that Pipin murdered her? This doesn't sound like someone throwing blame, moreso a statement of fact that immediate medical attention and proper dive planning could have increased her odds of survival. A better analogue would be if someone had a heart attack at home - while taking aspirin and calling an ambulance/EMS aren't guaranteed to save a person's life, the odds are absolutely better than if someone were to drive a person having a heart attack to the ER themselves
I remember watching the documentary when I was young and found the injustice so disgusting. I’m glad I can revisit this with my two favorite divers and hear their professional opinions and justifying condemnation of it. Thanks guys.
Him saying "don't touch the tank" IMMEDIATE RED FLAG 🚩🚩they should have ignored him and checked it
Tanya is one amazing person and I admire her honest answers. I knew nothing about free diving until I came across the story about Audrey. You filled in a lot of the blanks to the story. Thank you guys for the continuing excellence you bring to your reports.
As a veteran viewer of the Dive Talk channel I know I appreciated her coming and doing this interview, I can't imagine how hard it must be to relive that scenario over in her mind as she answers the questions with honesty and heart. So Thank you for doing this for our education and entertainment. May love and blessings cover your future.
It was amazing hearing from Tanya, I'm sorry she has to think about all this again, but she's incredibly insightful and intelligent!!!
Tanya is a bad ass and a true expert in the field. I hope she gets to keep the depth record for eternity.
"What more could they have done to kill her?" just sums up the whole horrific situation. Asking what more they could have done to keep her safe has answers too huge to list. Heartbreaking 💔
That line you said Woody, “what more could they have done to kill her?”
I’ve got full body chills, you’re 💯 right, geez
Y’all are just the best - I know you’ve gotten requests to do this story for a long time, but I really respect that it seems like you waited to do it until you could bring an authority on the sport on to really do the story right. Your commitment to teaching people about safe diving is very clear and appreciated!
Thank you, yes, we’ve waited for months to do this reaction with Tanya because what better authority to speak about this horrific record dive than the person who owns that record?
I love how you guys bring people on who are experts in their field or have first hand knowledge about whatever subject you are talking about. Adds a lot to the conversation.
Although very tragic, I'm glad to see you guys cover this, it's been a request of mine for a while, as well as lots of other subs..thanks guys, you gave her much respect, as I knew you would, never had a doubt!! Truthfully, everyone feels like you guys,( says alot about his lack of character to say the very least, what kind of husband does this...) except her husband, it's a tragedy.. Again, thanks guys!! Love the channel ❤️
These guys have a good heart. These guys have witnessed and seen things that a lot of us will never see nor go through or understand. And then to bring it to social media and put it in terms for us to understand and see is so lovely thank you guys for everything. keep up the good work ❤😊. And RIP to the beautiful soul that was lost. Stay blessed 🙏
I'm an ED and OR nurse with a lot of experience in codes it is shocking how this case was handled once she resurfaced! I think I didn't see anything which was done right on her by this people after she was brought up. The lack of safety divers was also kind of a big knock down. At this point how can one talk about "safety divers"? This divers couldn't even ascend with her because they would have risked their lives as well. They were basically just messengers down there, like a phone tower or what!? Realistically she was sent down own her own! There is one person here who should be held accountable and that is her husband Pipin. I'm sorry if that wasn't murder then I don't know what is.
Man I am saddened by todays discussion however this provides insight that a simple Iowa boy like me wouldn’t get otherwise. Been watching for close to a year now. Keep doing what y’all do.
Awww man watching this made me so uncomfortable, I can't even explain it. I don't dive but I'm thankful that you two gentlemen are pointing out how irresponsible this dive was. My God.
I am glad you guys commented on this video. It is very disturbing, I just got back from a cruise and my daughter and I were able to take 2 dives in Cozumel and this was her first 2 dives outside of her open water course certification. I was a Firefighter/EMT and went through paramedic school many years ago this whole scene disturbs me. I constantly talked to my daughter before we got in the water for each dive and after each dive to make sure she was ok, she understood hand signals and what to do in the case of an emergency or we get separated. I explained that diving is a safe sport if you do not cut corners and follow the rules. I have had to perform CPR on a good number of people in my 14 years and although I am not rescue diver certified I can see the issues with this situation. I can not believe how negligent it is to not have all the planning in place for any possible eventuality, and not cutting any safety corners. I constantly check and double check my equipment before every dive and every day on the fire truck I would do the same. Do not rely on anyone to have checked items out. I did one time and we showed up on scene, the person that claimed they checked the O2 bag brought it into the house I went to put it on the patient and there was no O2 in the bottle. Thankfully I was just providing some for supplementary O2 for the patient and it had not effect on their care. After the call as the officer on the unit my firefighter and I had a chat needless to say he could not sit for a while after the butt chewing and I never trusted anyone again unless I saw for myself. Especially when dealing with safety equipment.
I am 54 and have only been in three long-term relationships in my lifetime. My marriage was verbally abusive and after my divorce my next one was extremely physically abusive. Both started lovingly but turned dark once moving in together. I can totally see the signs written all over her face and overall body language. She was forced, she obviously told him she didn't feel comfortable doing it and there WAS some altercation, and she wasn't given an option to say no. So sad! For years I felt like I deserved it somehow. Now I know better. Thank you for shedding light on Audreys story. May that sweet angel rest in peace 🙏❤
This is your best video, very difficult subject and you handled it and interviewed Tanya with respect and grace. RIP Audrey.
I've been on local dive boats when there were emergencies. In those it surprised me how quickly they got the victim from the surface and onto the deck of the dive boat. Just a few seconds. Amazingly quick, and have the victim on oxygen, just as quick. In this video, it just looked in slow motion.
I always knew it was weird that Pippin didn't let anyone else check her equipment, but I didn't realize the extent of his abuse. This is so much sadder than I realized
Poor Audrey the free diver. Speculation weather husband tampered with equipment that may have caused death. She had safety divers staged but they couldn’t give her air because the lungs shrink under pressure so super dangerous. RIP, amazing woman with bags of courage!
Hard to say, but based on the fact that the husband made a risky dive down to pull Audrey up from 90 meters would imply to me that he didn't want her to die. If he had messed with her gear to try and kill her, why take such a huge risk? I think the guy is guilty of being abusive or at least an asshole, but I don't think he was intentionally trying to kill her.
@@The88Cheat to put on a show?
@@Robert_H_Diver That's purely conjecture, but I suppose it's possible.
@@The88Cheat correct, we’re all just guessing here, but from the evidence presented I wouldn’t be surprised.
@@The88Cheat maybe covering his track?🤔 I dunno? Who knows?
I've never been abused in a romantic relationship but I'm the child of abusive parents. When they had a goal or achievement in mind for me, it was a relief to dedicate myself to something that I thought would make them proud. I had a chance to earn their approval. Once it was over, whether I achieved it or not, the fear set in again because there was no way for me to guess what they would want from me. Maybe this record was something like that, Audrey had a way to appease him and maybe "earn" his love and approval. Once it was over, the uncertainty would set in again. I'm not sure if the way I explained it makes sense. All I can think is how much she suffered.
Can’t imagine how she must have felt when she took the pin off and didn’t go up. She knew she was being murdered by Pippin.
My God this was heart breaking. Brilliant interview, we need justice for Audrey.
Everything is utterly heartbreaking. The fact she turned away from him before the last kiss and he seemed to desperate to send her down just gives me the chills. Thank you for talking about this, guys. You were amazing, as usual.
I would bet she was about to break up with him and he knew it. She had finally gained some recognition of her own and maybe felt strong enough to leave him. I mean, in her last moments on the surface, she was dissing him in front of everyone, in public, with video recording it all. So sad she had to die for his weaknesses.
"The fact she turned away from him before the last kiss" .. What are you talking about??
That didn't happen... in this video !
@@adambane1719 i know right..i went back to look for nothing
I mean, I think murder IS the appropriate word here!
The husband's reaction to people double checking the life-saving device she totally depended on speaks volumes in my opinion...
Which minute?
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0 dive experience, but I was a lifeguard for 4 years. She’s gotta be outta that water in under 60 seconds. The speed which they moved once she surfaced was just awful. Idk if they mentioned it, but it looks to have been at least 2-3 minutes. Fine for a spinal injury, but fatal for a person that’s not breathing. No backboard at the edge, no supplemental oxygen. “What more could they have done to kill her” sums it up perfectly.
The fact that he kissed her goodbye INFURIATES me.
Exactly right how did he get off of that not being charged 😮?
So much respect to Tanya. Wow, what a fantastic interview and episode. This is what TH-cam is made for!
I watched this documentary and she was murdered. She was sent down with no way to fill the bag to bring her back up. Everyone involved should have been charged! Absolutely horrible
No.
It was a pleasure listening to Tanya share her experiences and stories. She’s really cool! You guys always have the most interesting people on, I love it.
You guys handled this with such grace. Very well done.
I think I could listen to Tanya talk all day. She seems so knowledgeable, very respectable, like a good human and a complete badass
I’m almost 81 now, but at one time in my life, I was a paramedic. I was horrified at what I was seeing. It was all wrong, all wrong. These people did not know what they were doing. You’re right it was very hard to watch.
It was ridiculous and very suspicious that he would not let anyone check the most important part. He probably practiced that dive so he could look like he tried to save her. The rescue was chaotic and you could see it in her body language before the dive she knew she was going to die. She should have trusted herself poor woman. Abuse victims are under a strong hold by their abusers. I have been there many years ago for a six year period but got out of it.
You're right Gus, I was raised in a violent home where my poor mum was beaten etc. It stopped when he tried to drown me, I was 5 years old. That's one main reason I don't go near deep water and just watch you professionals do your things! 😄 I definitely see signs that Audrey was possibly abused by her husband, the fact that he cared more about a title than his wife's safety says it all imho. Love and respect, as always, to you both from Scotland 🏴❤🇺🇸
Sending you ♥️ for sharing.
@@jenelaina5665 hope you're having a great weekend, sending you ❤ too! 🥰
I’m glad Dive Talk covered this documentary, it’s one that I’ll re-watch from time to time and it always leaves me perplexed. I’m with Woody on being furious at Audrey’s husband for how he acted towards the other safety team members that wanted to double check the lift bag cylinder. RIP Audrey Mestre and ALWAYS verify cylinders for yourself 😞
I stumbled across this channel after the Ocean Gate Titan tragedy. Fell down a rabbit hole which led me to this video & walked away with a few words that really stuck out to me & I will forever apply to my everyday life.
“Not an ideal start, don’t know what that means but I’m not gonna decide right here & now that it means I can’t do it. I’m gonna keep going.” 💛
I’m not a diver, never dived, no interest in diving…come across your channel by mistake.. now I can’t go to sleep with out watching one of your videos! Absolutely intriguing.. love you guys I have learnt so much
Hell of a video. You did a great job with analysis and interview. It's baffling and depressing how that man has gotten away with what he's done. Gus you're not stupid, all it takes is a fraction of empathy for anyone looking at that footage from the day of the dive to see that Audrey was not ok. Thank you so much to Tanya for being willing to talk about what is frankly a traumatic event in itself without the difficulty of knowing these people and being passionate about the sport. And thank you Woody for your closing remarks to Tanya, her attitude and approach to life really do show that she is truly a good person 💙
I had heard a little about this incident, but hearing your perspectives as always deepens my understanding. On a personal note, Gus, when you said you’d never had experience with DV, all I could think was, “I’m so glad.” So many people close to me have experienced it, including myself, and no one deserves it.
People like her blow my mind. So brave, so in tune with herself and her environment. Amazing. Glad she exists!
Pipin owes Audrey, and everyone who loved her, every breath he has taken from the moment he allowed her to dive with no air in her tank.
I recently went and watched the full documentary and I am convinced the same as the man who wrote the book about it... that her husband didn't fill the tank on purpose so that he could be a hero. How he could think that it would have worked in his favor, I don't know. Maybe in the end it did. He never was prosecuted was he? The whole story is sad. An amazing human gone because of the negligence of the person who was supposed to love and protect her.
I'm skeptical that he wanted to be a hero and rescue her. There was no plan for that. Woth only 2 safety divers, how was he going to know she needed rescued? He waited a long time so a living rescue wasn't likely and for all he knew he could have needed to dive well below 100m, which almost certainly would have killed him. Maybe he was so blinded by ego he panicked when what he thought out fell apart.
I'm in tears watching this. This is the hardest video I've had to watch on this channel, and I know there were other disasters shown. But damn, such a travesty that didn't have to happen.
The woman should of had oxygen up and down she took a huge risk do dumb things like free-diving expect serious errors.
This was an incredible interview, thank you guys for all the effort you put into this channel. It's an incredibly heartbreaking story. Everything leads back to the husband, even though I can't imagine he left the tank empty on purpose. My inclination is to assume negligence through overconfidence due to his inflated ego. In any case, F that guy. He needs to be held accountable for this somehow. Tanya seems so genuine and caring, I have no doubt she still hurts to this day, and I wasn't surprised at all at the answers she gave to the very difficult questions. I felt for her quite a bit, as I'm sure you did too, all through the timeline you reached out for the interview, convinced her to come on, setting it up... I'm not a diver, but I'm a very curious person who loves to delve into a bit of everything, and I love watching Dive Talk.
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I gotta say Gus you're really nailing it with these countdowns!
Thanks for the opportunity to understand what rescue and recovery divers must go through to help give closure to a grieving family. Thank you for your service.
“I’m a dentist - not a Dr”!!!???? WTF that Pipin wasn’t charged?
I’ve got nothing but sympathy for Audrey as there was clearly some sort of coercive control happening but what about everyone else involved in this event?
Why did people participate in a dive that so obviously lacked effective safety protocols? Finding it hard not to think of them as enablers tbh.