"The Parable of the Untimely Ancient" by Taliesin Gore / Cthulhu Lives

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  • Cthulhu Lives: New Tales of the Mythos
    Episode 5: "The Parable of the Untimely Ancient" by Taliesin Gore
    The disturbing account of one suffering from memory loss, whose quest for answers is fraught with frightening obstacles.
    Series playlist: • Cthulhu Lives: New Tal...
    Taliesin Gore’s poetry and fiction has appeared or is upcoming in various places including BFS Horizons, Bleed Error, Illumen, Dream Catcher, and Horla. Competition credits include being a Finalist in Omnidawn's Fabulist Fiction Contest (twice) and an Honourable Mention in the Writers of the Future Contest. He is currently at work on his first novel, which he describes as a ‘dystopian gothic fantasy.’ He lives in a shed in Dorset, England.
    0:00:00 - Introduction
    0:01:30 - The Parable of the Untimely Ancient
    1:11:47 - Further Listening
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  • @BosunM8James
    @BosunM8James 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    This is my go to place for what I need to cure my obsession for anything related to the Cthulhu mythos. To all who were involved, thank you and well done!

  • @nathanharper5670
    @nathanharper5670 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Gore absolutely nailed the sesquipedalian language and - at times maddeningly - deliberate pacing. Well written piece.

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And Ian nailed the spoken narrative in such a flowing, meaningful way.

  • @CJM-rg5rt
    @CJM-rg5rt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is freaking amazing, I really hope he becomes better known. It's especially incredible because it's new and rivals Weird Tales. Lots of new words to look up too.

  • @NobleHereticLP
    @NobleHereticLP 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Possible spoilers:
    Alternate title: Lovecraft awakes from a coma and stumbles into a 21st century halloween rave.

    • @thefisherking78
      @thefisherking78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LMFAO 😂😆

    • @widdershins3785
      @widdershins3785 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      “Oh no! Masks & fun at a social event! How dare!” Yup, that’s Ol’ Howard alright.

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes, I also thought Halleween Rave. I am still pretty confused about what it was supposed to be in the end.

    • @harshmell0w432
      @harshmell0w432 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@johannageisel5390i think the twist was supposed to be an actual “mummy” whose spirit traversed time, someone who chose to be entombed though ultimately his past was as blurry as what he was experiencing in the story

    • @banjojon7169
      @banjojon7169 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got the same impression

  • @briangreen1781
    @briangreen1781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Between this and Encrypted Horror uploading within 20 minutes means I'm going to have a good night.

    • @leebennett1821
      @leebennett1821 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You could try Edward French as well I quite enjoy his narration

    • @briangreen1781
      @briangreen1781 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@leebennett1821 I will. Thank you!

    • @colemarie9262
      @colemarie9262 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for the heads up, another excellent channel!

    • @colemarie9262
      @colemarie9262 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @mehrimazedeh I would add Bitesize Audio classics (Victorian/ Edwardian era ghost and mystery stories) Tony Walker’s ghost stories (does horror, mythos and very good original stories) and a criminally unknown channel with fully original content called Stygian Sagas!

    • @williestreiff9314
      @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@leebennett1821how dare you ,,, just kidding

  • @dirkbruere
    @dirkbruere 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Prose so purple that even Lovecraft would be ashamed

    • @liamrobinson2084
      @liamrobinson2084 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or enchanted!

    • @davidwhite7294
      @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He would have been embarrassed by it. This writer has clearly sat down with a dictionary and made a glossary of strange and obscure words to use in his story, very like Clark Ashton Smith and not much like Lovecraft .

    • @Tacklepig
      @Tacklepig 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@davidwhite7294 yeah, that's kinda the point. I feel like a large part of this story is making fun of those stories.

  • @loganlogon3720
    @loganlogon3720 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The scariest part of this is just how plausible it feels.😰 Hats off to you Taliesin, this was a fantastic yarn, thank you so much for submitting it!😄

    • @nataliep501
      @nataliep501 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes 💀

  • @jeffashley5512
    @jeffashley5512 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Amazing tale Ian and your narration is superb. Horrorbabble never fails to give us the best in the Lovecraftian universe. 💀

    • @kathys4186
      @kathys4186 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅😅😅😅😅😅

    • @kathys4186
      @kathys4186 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😊

  • @paulross225
    @paulross225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    If this piece was a painting, it would be priceless - as are you as narrator. (as a person too - I hasten to add!)

  • @paulross225
    @paulross225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    There's so many people commenting that this story was in effect dull with too many long words.
    Forget the actual story for a moment and just appreciate the prose, it was written in a slightly archaic style for obvious reasons but it's almost a dying art to portray the English language (for me at least) so beautifully. Did the author put too many long words in it for you? Please buy a dictionary or at least download one, let's keep Britain's most valuable possession alive and well for the foreseeable future and yourselves slightly more erudite!

  • @SixTough
    @SixTough 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Amazing story and what an honor it must be to have it so wonderfully recanted by the one and only Ian ❤

  • @Wombats555
    @Wombats555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thought this was like The Outsider at first.
    Love what it turned out to be!
    This whole series is fantastic.
    Thank you to all the authors!

  • @andreasfilis9001
    @andreasfilis9001 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One of the most weird stories. I have listened it three times!

    • @seanmurphy6480
      @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😊 RADIO RENTALS

  • @soulreaver1983
    @soulreaver1983 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Magnificent as always outstanding thanks Ian!⚡️🔥⚡️

  • @thefisherking78
    @thefisherking78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wow. What a beautifully atmospheric story.

  • @morbo1049
    @morbo1049 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The future of the mythos is whatever imagination can make of it. As boundless as the universe.

  • @justinhowell6236
    @justinhowell6236 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great reading as always. Your content has helped me get through some long days at work. Thank you for awesome content.

  • @johnsedlock1340
    @johnsedlock1340 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Arguably the best thing I've heard on here. SO realistic, the storytelling impeccable...

  • @donaldmccleary9015
    @donaldmccleary9015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Utterly amazing story and narration! All my questions were explained by the end. Excellent job!
    I will be listening to this again and like the parallels to "The Outsider." This author has good works. I like listening to them and look forward to more.
    A lot went into this series, and it is evident.

  • @user-ps7ok8dt6y
    @user-ps7ok8dt6y 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is kind of confusing. *Spoliers*
    The guy is an Ancient but he remembers "Ancient" Egypt and Greece so not really that ancient after all and he woke up from Where? A Museum? And walked out into a Halloween/New Year party but totally misunderstood what he saw going on around him...I wasn't entirely sure this was our modern world until the scene with the public toilet with the guy doing a line of cocaine but that was pretty clear
    So what are those Kannyu things doing in the modern day and why did he not realise the next morning that people don't really have masks for faces? Or am I missing a big piece of the puzzle?

    • @JT_Soul
      @JT_Soul 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Kanyu also confused me. I'm not really sure what they were supposed to be. Kanyu 堪舆 means "geomancy" in Chinese, but that's all I've got.

    • @user-ps7ok8dt6y
      @user-ps7ok8dt6y 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JT_Soul Same. Everything else you can explain away as either him misunderstanding what was going on at the party or the author flubbing a detail or two but 7 foot tall beings in masks and robes with cybernetic hands? I've got nothing either

    • @ProfBoggs
      @ProfBoggs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It might be K'nyan, which is the name of an underground civilization in _The Outsider_.

    • @rosecorcoran
      @rosecorcoran หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm pretty sure it's an alternate future (present?) where there are still Halloween parties and public restrooms and coke, but also where the Kanyu are real beings and the narrator is a mummified ancient Egyptian come back to life. He is clearly expected as they have the mirror and unwrapping ceremony ready for him.

  • @williestreiff9314
    @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A lot of comments for these mythos stories, it's amazing how much influence Lovecraft has on the creepy side of the imagination, and horror babble does class act narrating,a perfect combo

  • @user-oh8it3dm4s
    @user-oh8it3dm4s 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fantastic, truly a fine piece. Will we be seeing more Lovecraft twords the rest of the month? It's what I like best from the channel

  • @nobodyyouknow1065
    @nobodyyouknow1065 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    You had me at “The Outsider”, Mr. Gore.

  • @stephennicholas1590
    @stephennicholas1590 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The marriage of great story-telling and great narration is a rare thing indeed. Bravo!

  • @MrsCaranAmy
    @MrsCaranAmy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting story. Excellent narration as usual. Thank you. Have a splendid weekend 🤗💖🌟

  • @merlapittman5034
    @merlapittman5034 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bloody brilliant! I think this author has somehow absorbed the very spirit of Lovecraft. And again, the narration is superb!

  • @iainmccormick3381
    @iainmccormick3381 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Parable of the Untimely Ancient had me hooked from the moment I heard the title!

  • @williestreiff9314
    @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you horror babble you are a public service

  • @mikegill-zo5ij
    @mikegill-zo5ij 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great series

  • @dondawson2174
    @dondawson2174 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Your collections are better than an early boxing day present.

  • @dexterisabo3137
    @dexterisabo3137 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was very cool. Kinda made me think of the silver key

  • @Loreweavver
    @Loreweavver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Outsider is such an underrated tale that the Easter Egg in Fallout 4 goes unnoticed by every TH-camr

    • @BlackGateMedia55
      @BlackGateMedia55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I missed it! Where is it?

    • @Loreweavver
      @Loreweavver 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@BlackGateMedia55 When you find Nick Valentine, the synth that believes he is a detective, he is locked in an underground vault with a magazine. The magazine is both a nod to the mysterious stranger who Nick is obsessed with and depicts a man dressed as Nick would go on to dress.
      When I first saw this it was imo a clear Easter Egg for the Outsider who is locked alone underground and forms his personality and imagines himself as the books he reads.

    • @BlackGateMedia55
      @BlackGateMedia55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Loreweavverthanks!

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@LoreweavverUser name checks out!

  • @beitodesstrafe
    @beitodesstrafe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great reading as always! And I loved the spooky intro/outro music for this series.

  • @gusgee1337
    @gusgee1337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is this Ancient a member of the Ancients from "The Mound"? The mechanical beings and other details leads me to believe this might be true.

  • @CJ-uf6xl
    @CJ-uf6xl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The day after the Halloween party...

  • @davidbudge8359
    @davidbudge8359 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have no mouth but I must scream!

  • @udhessi3444
    @udhessi3444 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interestingly enough, the author crafted this story after waking up from plastic surgery in a clinic in Ibiza.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I knew I wasn't the only person under that tarpaulin!

  • @TheBiggyJMan
    @TheBiggyJMan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such calming stories. I love sleeping to them. Absolutely love at the mountains of madness, makes me sleep like a baby.

  • @nyarparablepsis872
    @nyarparablepsis872 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful story, when it finally found its pace it was both lyrical and really engaging. By the time a tophet was mentioned I was already hooked, but it made me very happy. Not a word you encounter often in the wild!
    And as HPL himself had "eldritch", so this author has "incarnadine". 😁

  • @richardferguson6893
    @richardferguson6893 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is indeed very "Ashton Smith-y".

  • @TheMrCougarful
    @TheMrCougarful 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wait! What is this I hear? Dear Warren is ... dead? A crisis!

    • @GodOfPlague
      @GodOfPlague 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He'll get better on friday

  • @EricDaMAJ
    @EricDaMAJ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Warren is not dead. But he is trying to dodge the giant camel spiders in the Empty Quarter.

  • @danielmeredith4222
    @danielmeredith4222 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your the real magician Ian :) I really love how this story ended with a sense of hopelessness as he said he longs for home.

  • @danielmeredith4222
    @danielmeredith4222 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    By one by two and by three this creature and its eyes the way you describe it to us is very familiar as if all the stories connect. This is one very mysterious story cheers and thankyou again Ian Gordon co

  • @kristinacable
    @kristinacable 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ❤great stuff!!

  • @jamesnurgle6368
    @jamesnurgle6368 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "so I was at this Halloween rave and I saw this baggie on the floor..."

  • @onieyoh9478
    @onieyoh9478 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is what happens when you take acid before going to the holloween party.

  • @Zarnagel
    @Zarnagel 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just wanna say I enjoyed this series very much. I'd love to get a second season at some time.

  • @Boogie_the_cat
    @Boogie_the_cat 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Taliesin Gore!?!? If that's not a pseudonym, then this must be the most badass being in existence (human being).

    • @thefisherking78
      @thefisherking78 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did he say gore? I like gore, that's pretty cool 😁

    • @darkstar-nh5cf
      @darkstar-nh5cf 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not a pseudonym.

    • @MizterMoonshine
      @MizterMoonshine 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Taliesin and Gore are two popular follower mods for Skyrim. I don't think it's a coincidence.

  • @DemienC.
    @DemienC. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This story has charm and feel of obscure point and click adventure game... at least for me :)
    Author broke "the charade" of complete alienage couple times, but overall very good.
    Thank you.

  • @Whalewraith
    @Whalewraith 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How did you get into doing this mate?

  • @johannageisel5390
    @johannageisel5390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What the hell...???
    Ancient Alien wakes up from millenia of slumber only to stumble into a rave with somebody doing coke in the toilet?
    I'm... very confused.

    • @ClipperHorizon
      @ClipperHorizon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To be fair, so was he.

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ancient human. Rendered alien by humanity changing. I think.

  • @dennisthornton4434
    @dennisthornton4434 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Goody, a new scary.

  • @DrBrothBaist
    @DrBrothBaist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noooo!!! More expanded mythos plz it's amazing

  • @anthonybarnwell767
    @anthonybarnwell767 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great narrative

  • @kevinfogle7929
    @kevinfogle7929 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hurray!

  • @BlackGateMedia55
    @BlackGateMedia55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoyed this! Some of the comments a little harsh. The language is dense but then so are many of the classics. HPL's The Silver Key is a marsh. Some of the word choices here were very effective and as the plot emerged I wanted to keep listening and find out what was going on, much like The Outsider. Great end to the series.

  • @problynah
    @problynah 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thankyou.

  • @peculiar
    @peculiar 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So... Imhotep wakes up to a rave, but does not vibe, basically?

  • @georgemarquardt4435
    @georgemarquardt4435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whoever wrote this A:needs help B: should never take acid

    • @seanmurphy6480
      @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HAHAHA THIS CHAP DONT NEED ANYMORE METHINKS...ACCESSED ALL AREAS

    • @seanmurphy6480
      @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A=B ¿ SQUARED× ASK ALICE 🤸‍♀️

    • @seanmurphy6480
      @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TOP COMMENT...AMIGO

  • @tooladdict85
    @tooladdict85 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The wordplay was very amazing but the story was nothing like I was hoping for.

  • @terrapin9ify
    @terrapin9ify 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

  • @ScullyPop
    @ScullyPop 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    King of Horror Award.

  • @burneyb688
    @burneyb688 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought he was in a nightclub on Halloween

  • @Morzox
    @Morzox 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man this Quantum Leap reboot script is weird.

  • @davidwhite7294
    @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A number of comments pick up on your suggestion that this is a very Lovecraftian story but l found it a lot more like Clark Ashton Smith. The obvious choice of obscure long words to add mystery to the thin storyline is typical of him and as in this story all a bit pretentious.

  • @williestreiff9314
    @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's my birthday horror babble, Friday the thirteenth, I love you horror babble

    • @HorrorBabble
      @HorrorBabble  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Happy Birthday for yesterday!

    • @williestreiff9314
      @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HorrorBabble thank you horror babble ,I love you and everyone involved in your podcast productions

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ✌️✌️

  • @larrybills1564
    @larrybills1564 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You guys should try your hand at adding to the mythos.

  • @brianatkinson3516
    @brianatkinson3516 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    haha the bathroom part. checks out..

  • @seanmurphy6480
    @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YOU MINDBENDING LOON...I'M TRYING TO BE NORMAL 😂

  • @nataliep501
    @nataliep501 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sad then scary 😨

  • @BigBennKlingon
    @BigBennKlingon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting story. The connections to the mythos were probably over my head. Can anybody point them out?

    • @davidwhite7294
      @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I can’t because l couldn’t really see any.

    • @BlackGateMedia55
      @BlackGateMedia55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Read The Outsider, it's certainly connected to that.

    • @davidwhite7294
      @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@BlackGateMedia55l,ve read it a few times. Yes, it has little of the atmosphere of the TO but I thought more of the atmosphere of Clark Ashton Smith,s The Nameless Offspring because of the over-wordiness.

    • @BlackGateMedia55
      @BlackGateMedia55 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@davidwhite7294yes, the language is quite dense (very CAS), I was thinking mainly of plot. The idea of a self-narrated confused protagonist climbing to a form of freedom and wondering what s/he and the world is.

    • @davidwhite7294
      @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BlackGateMedia55 Yes,Point taken. 🤝.

  • @williestreiff9314
    @williestreiff9314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lovecraft created a monster, ha ha ha ha ha, see what I did there

  • @dawwe8869
    @dawwe8869 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Eyy

  • @tuomasronnberg5244
    @tuomasronnberg5244 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ehh. While as a pastiche this story is successful because the sentence structure and word choices resemble Lovecraftian logorrhea, but the story itself is kind of...dull.

    • @paulross225
      @paulross225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Eh? It was as the title suggested a parable- an invitation to use your own imagination, speculation and understanding! - What did you expect?! - Conan the barbarian perhaps?

    • @tuomasronnberg5244
      @tuomasronnberg5244 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@paulross225 I was expecting a plot with suspense, and maybe some character growth.

    • @paulross225
      @paulross225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tuomasronnberg5244 Again, look at the title of this piece!
      Apart from that, how much character development can you expect from a short story.
      I think you should stick to L. Sprague D C and his ilk to satisfy your literary needs!

    • @tuomasronnberg5244
      @tuomasronnberg5244 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@paulross225 Are you suggesting that parables are meant to be...dull? 🤔

    • @paulross225
      @paulross225 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tuomasronnberg5244 Not necessarily no but parables will only offer suspense and thrills if it fulfills a didactic quality along with the rest of the story (hence 'parable) which doesn't happen too often.
      Anyway, please refer to my original comment.

  • @lundondadony2618
    @lundondadony2618 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LD LLC Port 6077

  • @starmezzo
    @starmezzo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Meh. It went on interminably. I like the Houdini/ Lovecraft version of this kind of story

  • @seanmurphy6480
    @seanmurphy6480 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BONKERS YA CONKER

  • @lundondadony2618
    @lundondadony2618 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    551 wins

  • @johnbutler370
    @johnbutler370 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sounds like a child's attempt at plagiarism

  • @VincentFoster-pb8fx
    @VincentFoster-pb8fx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hate to say it but this is the worst mythos story I've ever heard. Had to stop after 30 minutes. Painful.

    • @davidwhite7294
      @davidwhite7294 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I,m inclined to agree there ….not much to do with the Mythos that l could see.

  • @annbassano8583
    @annbassano8583 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok, I did not expect that. Now I have to listen to it again from the beginning!

  • @infowars.com.fakenews8663
    @infowars.com.fakenews8663 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No 1...