One of the best Sutherland interviews and it must be the first host to get a word in. Nice to actually get Sutherland to unpack his concepts a little deeper than usual.
Really good conversation. Good hosting as well - hosts with Rory on have a tendency to let him ramble, zigzag and dominate the conversation, but you kept him honest - nice work
I really like your interview style bro. A LOT. Rory is always great conversation because he is a candid storyteller. He does such a great job of providing context whilst being real
Good interview, nice job matching Rory's energy and responding to his humour. Quite a few podcast hosts are a bit po-faced, or just too slow to keep up with the flow, and its a bit embarassing. Occasionally I think he's humouring some of those podcast hosts, but this seemed like a proper conversation.
Rory Sutherland is one of the only people you actually just forgive for interrupting, as its just a given and he is an actually interesting person to listen to.
I really enjoy listening to Rory but I have to say one thing he spoke about here was just something I couldn't get on board with and I'm talking about his defense for Dominic Cummins during the covid lockdowns, somehow he made the case that we wouldn't question a skilled surgeon if they made that journey and no we wouldn't have but that would mean he is making the claim that Dominic has as much importance as someone who was that essential and I think its a rational case to make that simply no, he was not of that level of importance and when he did this at an unprecedented time when the country was told to stay indoors, cancel weddings, only have 10 people show up at a funeral (which happened at my Aunties funeral) family couldn't see new born babies, fathers had to miss hospital appointments during pregnancy and anti-natal classes were cancelled, mental health programs were cancelled, suicide rates and domestic abuse skyrocketed then its a very clear answer from... no, Domonic was not remotely fucking important enough to justify seeing his family when the rest of the country couldn't see theres and everyone had an absolute right to feel bitter and angry with how the entire lockdown period was handled. Politicians need some cheese and wine for morale? Cry me a fucking river. I'm from the position that rules are for everyone and if they aren't then we are in a corrupt society.
Very interesting conversation with Rory who I just recently found out about which I am very happy about. I do have to add some friendly observations that it was a bit difficult to concentrate on with the continuous acknowledgements after nearly every sentence that Rory made, either by a yeah, hmmm, or a giggle.........might be better not to have those short acknowledgements every so often. Also no need to cut to you when you just say hmmm....or yeah....only cut to your take when you make a point or have a question as the interviewer. I love the casual format but maybe introducing a table between you and your guests might frame and concentrate the energy of the conversation. Once more these are respectful observations from a user and I am by no way an expert at all. So maybe what I have observed or felt has no real foundation. Congratulations on your podcast and this very interesting conversation. I look forward to your future podcast.
Hi Common Sense guy (didn't catch your name, sorry). Loved the interview. I'm a complete Rory nut and evangelist so I watch everything he appears on, so thanks for having him on again. And I really appreciated your retort that there actually aren't any things you 'can't talk about anymore', I think you had him cornered there a little bit! 😂😅
Really good Podcast with Rory - Thanks for that. One request for likes/subs is enough though (perhaps somewhere in the middle) after the third request I felt like not doing so. Four is OTT. Keep up the good work. 👍
Nobody has TH-cam premium? Didn’t see that one coming because I do have and now thinking about it I feel he’s right. Yet nobody listens to fSpotify with the ads in between songs
Never seen Rory this relaxed in an interview. I really enjoyed this one. I disagree vehemently with his thesis on conservatism and socialism. In fact swap the names and he actually gets it right.
You really don't need to put the "please subscribe" advert interruption so often, like every 15 minutes, and I think it's the exact same every time. And you do it in the middle of a sentence. It's so disruptive and takes you out of the conversation. It's unnecessary and I don't think it is helpful. Once during the podcast and then perhaps at the end, as a reminder, even if it's the same clip used both times, would be enough. And the one in the middle could be better placed than in the middle of a sentence.
Coming from someone who works whenever and wherever he pleases, jets between multiple homes, and hasn't punched a traditional timecard in decades, Musk's stance on remote work is like a person in a helicopter telling people stuck in traffic they should be grateful for their commute. His critique of the 'laptop class' rings hollow when he exercises more workplace flexibility than perhaps anyone on Earth. Additionally, his stance conveniently aligns with the interests of commercial real estate investors and downtown business districts. When billionaires bemoan remote work, follow the money - empty office buildings and quiet downtown lunch spots affect their bottom line far more than worker wellbeing. They're not concerned about fairness; they're concerned about their real estate portfolios
why do so many people have the mic in the shot, in interviews? i do not get it. a good mic does not need to be in front of the speaker's mouth. are they just trying to show how big their mic is?
Why would Dominic Cummings and his wife stuck in a flat using Waitrose delivery be any different from any otther family in the country in the same circumstances? "Tax is for the little people" and "lockdown was for little people". I live in a flat without a garden and don't drive - I have no issue with a few drinks. It was the lack of distancing. I was working 18 hour days in my livingroom. If the rules were rubbish they should have changed the rules for everybody. Did we really want all the people running the country sick at once? Was there anyhting about their job that made getting everyone in the building into the same room at the same time? When we started back at the office we had distancing "passing places" on the stair. I could understand the PM needed his PPS next to him all day... the Christmas Zoom Quiz was fine with me. Much like Starmer's beer with his curry. Don't let the fact that Cummings' Durham accomodation had had its use changed without planning consent and Council Tax wasn't being paid on it by his parents-in-law, despite being multi-millionaires and one a non-doml put you off his clan either. Don't mention the colonial quelling of Mao Mao Uprising or Climate Change either. Ascribing the acts of the family to concern for others is nonsense - it was pure exceptionalism. "If he used the petrol app - he wouldn't come into contact with anyone" did he? has he ever claimed that?- citation? now you are just making stuff up.
If we're going to refuse or feel bad about "only" improving the lives of 30, 40, 50% of the population by some innovation (eg. remote working) because the others don't get the benefits, we'll never do anything.
I don't mind if we improve the lives of that many without others getting the benefits as long as the others are not having their lives made worse by it
When people say "we're not allowed talk about..." What they are saying is "if I speak about.... I get abuse from people" or "if I don't agree with the political consensus of the left my life is made miserable". The same would be true for people who are left leaning in right leaning areas. Most cities are left leaning even though they are a minority of the population as a whole but if you live in a city and your opinions differ you feel silenced. I don't agree that that's ok. If anyone is allowed to express their political opinions then all people must be allowed to and treated with the same respect
Oh Rory!! Apologies for being casual... you seem like my soul mate. I seem to think like you. Eg long ago I decided that I needed at least two phones!! I actually have three so I can access an old US Amazon account as well as my UK one.
1:40:37 if cummings had said "while I admit that I did it, I did it for a good reason, however in acknowledgement that other people may have been fined for doing the same as me, I will pay the £2k fine." So many other people got fined and it was the double standard that really annoyed people. As a political strategist he should have known this and the fact that he didn't also shows that he was pretty rubbish at his job too.
34:58 “…I’ve literally got like 10 minutes…” and if you get up 20 minutes earlier, you have a half hour. Just enough time for a little morning coffee grinding/pressing alchemical ritualism.
My theory is he didn't get the fax for expediency. There are studies that suggest that we remember what we read at a better rate if it's on paper as apposed to on a screen. As someone with ADHD I well believe this. Screen info does not stick for me in the same way. Written copy is solid and better to cognitively work with. It may not be quicker but it is easier. He's not saving time he's saving cognitive load and he has an PA to do the leg work. I think it's pretty clever
Thin end of the edge of the wedge? We always put the worst interpretation on every thing! His take on the old royal asking 'where you from' was a prime example of worst interpretation! How the hell did you get Roryer on your show???
This conversation is mostly political and isn’t showcasing Rory’s genius. Praising Obama. Progressive vs Conservative. Raising minimum wage. Least productive Rory interview while 12x longer than some of his best. Your political bias ruined it
The interviewer needs to be more open minded and let his guest make a point. He dug his heir so much and sacrificed so much time which could have been spent on other topics
I watch a lot of Rory and I like him. I had no intention of subscribing, as this seems like a fairly typical sycophantic chat, but then you politely and quite deftly pushed back on the 'we are not allowed to speak about immigration' trope and I was really impressed. Just to confirm I'm 40 yrs old and I remember when Farage & UKIP came on the scene to parasitize our politics as a teenager, and the topic has never fallen off the agenda since. However, migration remains essential & broadly beneficial, which is why we should probably ask if it is time to stop discussing it. Or at the very least start saying something interesting about it. For instance 'what you are not allowed to say' is that: a child born in Uganda is not responcible for where they were born & has just much right to live in the UK as my kids, if they want to.
I think the issues surrounding immigration at the moment that alarm people are the sheer numbers (over 500k net per year the last couple of years) and our country’s (in)ability to cope with that. I believe it was the ONS who basically said that to keep house prices where they’re at now, we would to build 382,000 homes a year, every year to accommodate that. This is before we get into infrastructure and expansion of public services. We just do not have the capacity to do that unless you want to rebuild Victorian style slums or turn this green and pleasant land into a giant Mumbai. Neither will be very popular to put it mildly. By all means, let’s have migration, but let’s be much stricter and more sensible about who comes in.
Your last sentence doesn’t add up. Giving effectively everybody “the right” to live in the UK doesn’t work, especially as a huge proportion of immigrants are net recipients of UK largesse, rather than contributors.
One of the best Sutherland interviews and it must be the first host to get a word in. Nice to actually get Sutherland to unpack his concepts a little deeper than usual.
Really good conversation. Good hosting as well - hosts with Rory on have a tendency to let him ramble, zigzag and dominate the conversation, but you kept him honest - nice work
I really like your interview style bro. A LOT. Rory is always great conversation because he is a candid storyteller. He does such a great job of providing context whilst being real
Funny he mentioned youtube premium. I recently subscribed to it and it was the best decision I ever made! 😆
I too made the jump based on a previous recommendation of his.
That's sad, that your quality of life hinges critically on your relationship with youtube.
Rory is fun, honest, intelligent and a life force. Love him.
Very good interview, Rory at ease is great Rory.
Any interview with Rory is both entertaining and informative. Excellent interview, thank you!
Good interview, nice job matching Rory's energy and responding to his humour. Quite a few podcast hosts are a bit po-faced, or just too slow to keep up with the flow, and its a bit embarassing. Occasionally I think he's humouring some of those podcast hosts, but this seemed like a proper conversation.
Great conversation and very well hosted indeed, thanks
Thanks for listening and watching
Rory Sutherland is one of the only people you actually just forgive for interrupting, as its just a given and he is an actually interesting person to listen to.
Just finished the previous episode you have with Rory. He’s always a great listen
I really enjoy listening to Rory but I have to say one thing he spoke about here was just something I couldn't get on board with and I'm talking about his defense for Dominic Cummins during the covid lockdowns, somehow he made the case that we wouldn't question a skilled surgeon if they made that journey and no we wouldn't have but that would mean he is making the claim that Dominic has as much importance as someone who was that essential and I think its a rational case to make that simply no, he was not of that level of importance and when he did this at an unprecedented time when the country was told to stay indoors, cancel weddings, only have 10 people show up at a funeral (which happened at my Aunties funeral) family couldn't see new born babies, fathers had to miss hospital appointments during pregnancy and anti-natal classes were cancelled, mental health programs were cancelled, suicide rates and domestic abuse skyrocketed then its a very clear answer from... no, Domonic was not remotely fucking important enough to justify seeing his family when the rest of the country couldn't see theres and everyone had an absolute right to feel bitter and angry with how the entire lockdown period was handled. Politicians need some cheese and wine for morale? Cry me a fucking river. I'm from the position that rules are for everyone and if they aren't then we are in a corrupt society.
Very interesting conversation with Rory who I just recently found out about which I am very happy about. I do have to add some friendly observations that it was a bit difficult to concentrate on with the continuous acknowledgements after nearly every sentence that Rory made, either by a yeah, hmmm, or a giggle.........might be better not to have those short acknowledgements every so often. Also no need to cut to you when you just say hmmm....or yeah....only cut to your take when you make a point or have a question as the interviewer. I love the casual format but maybe introducing a table between you and your guests might frame and concentrate the energy of the conversation. Once more these are respectful observations from a user and I am by no way an expert at all. So maybe what I have observed or felt has no real foundation. Congratulations on your podcast and this very interesting conversation. I look forward to your future podcast.
Hi Common Sense guy (didn't catch your name, sorry). Loved the interview. I'm a complete Rory nut and evangelist so I watch everything he appears on, so thanks for having him on again. And I really appreciated your retort that there actually aren't any things you 'can't talk about anymore', I think you had him cornered there a little bit! 😂😅
Try talking about immigration and not being called a racist.....
Really good Podcast with Rory - Thanks for that.
One request for likes/subs is enough though (perhaps somewhere in the middle) after the third request I felt like not doing so. Four is OTT.
Keep up the good work. 👍
I watched this for Rory Sutherland, he never disappoints , so informative and amusing
Nobody has TH-cam premium? Didn’t see that one coming because I do have and now thinking about it I feel he’s right. Yet nobody listens to fSpotify with the ads in between songs
I have Premium too, wouldn’t watch TH-cam without it now. Rory is always compelling 😊
Never seen Rory this relaxed in an interview. I really enjoyed this one. I disagree vehemently with his thesis on conservatism and socialism. In fact swap the names and he actually gets it right.
I see Rory. I click
Love Rory been following him for a while now and have become a way better marketer!
Great conversation 👍
Great interview - interesting and well hosted
His voice is like Patrick Moore's
You really don't need to put the "please subscribe" advert interruption so often, like every 15 minutes, and I think it's the exact same every time. And you do it in the middle of a sentence. It's so disruptive and takes you out of the conversation. It's unnecessary and I don't think it is helpful. Once during the podcast and then perhaps at the end, as a reminder, even if it's the same clip used both times, would be enough. And the one in the middle could be better placed than in the middle of a sentence.
The Sutherlands in Ghana WERE doing Missionary work...Positionally speaking...
I've Sutherland on my Mum's side, so I'll take the jibe.
So many breaks to ask to subscribe, so annoying.
Coming from someone who works whenever and wherever he pleases, jets between multiple homes, and hasn't punched a traditional timecard in decades, Musk's stance on remote work is like a person in a helicopter telling people stuck in traffic they should be grateful for their commute. His critique of the 'laptop class' rings hollow when he exercises more workplace flexibility than perhaps anyone on Earth.
Additionally, his stance conveniently aligns with the interests of commercial real estate investors and downtown business districts. When billionaires bemoan remote work, follow the money - empty office buildings and quiet downtown lunch spots affect their bottom line far more than worker wellbeing. They're not concerned about fairness; they're concerned about their real estate portfolios
Move Rory's mic. From a fellow Sutherland (slave trader). Great chat. Sometimes you talk over him a bit, with your mic closer it seems worse.
why do so many people have the mic in the shot, in interviews?
i do not get it.
a good mic does not need to be in front of the speaker's mouth.
are they just trying to show how big their mic is?
39:36 brilliant point about adding swearing
Why would Dominic Cummings and his wife stuck in a flat using Waitrose delivery be any different from any otther family in the country in the same circumstances?
"Tax is for the little people" and "lockdown was for little people". I live in a flat without a garden and don't drive - I have no issue with a few drinks. It was the lack of distancing. I was working 18 hour days in my livingroom.
If the rules were rubbish they should have changed the rules for everybody. Did we really want all the people running the country sick at once? Was there anyhting about their job that made getting everyone in the building into the same room at the same time? When we started back at the office we had distancing "passing places" on the stair.
I could understand the PM needed his PPS next to him all day... the Christmas Zoom Quiz was fine with me. Much like Starmer's beer with his curry.
Don't let the fact that Cummings' Durham accomodation had had its use changed without planning consent and Council Tax wasn't being paid on it by his parents-in-law, despite being multi-millionaires and one a non-doml put you off his clan either. Don't mention the colonial quelling of Mao Mao Uprising or Climate Change either. Ascribing the acts of the family to concern for others is nonsense - it was pure exceptionalism.
"If he used the petrol app - he wouldn't come into contact with anyone" did he? has he ever claimed that?- citation? now you are just making stuff up.
Musk and work from home: he was about the engineers and managers who actually needed to talk to workers on the line, who could not be in Teams
This is the first podcast I've listened to where I enjoyed the theme music
Ooh - I have been waiting for the micropayment option ... make it easier to pay than to find ways around!
If we're going to refuse or feel bad about "only" improving the lives of 30, 40, 50% of the population by some innovation (eg. remote working) because the others don't get the benefits, we'll never do anything.
I don't mind if we improve the lives of that many without others getting the benefits as long as the others are not having their lives made worse by it
When people say "we're not allowed talk about..." What they are saying is "if I speak about.... I get abuse from people" or "if I don't agree with the political consensus of the left my life is made miserable".
The same would be true for people who are left leaning in right leaning areas. Most cities are left leaning even though they are a minority of the population as a whole but if you live in a city and your opinions differ you feel silenced. I don't agree that that's ok. If anyone is allowed to express their political opinions then all people must be allowed to and treated with the same respect
The interviewer has got so many blind spots when it comes to his image of the “far right”.
Rory seems to underestimate how much labour couldn’t get away with if they was in power
Oh Rory!! Apologies for being casual... you seem like my soul mate. I seem to think like you. Eg long ago I decided that I needed at least two phones!! I actually have three so I can access an old US Amazon account as well as my UK one.
1:32:36 both partygate and watergate were relatively minor events until the people at the centre of them lied and were caught lying about it
1:40:37 if cummings had said "while I admit that I did it, I did it for a good reason, however in acknowledgement that other people may have been fined for doing the same as me, I will pay the £2k fine." So many other people got fined and it was the double standard that really annoyed people. As a political strategist he should have known this and the fact that he didn't also shows that he was pretty rubbish at his job too.
34:58 “…I’ve literally got like 10 minutes…”
and if you get up 20 minutes earlier, you have a half hour. Just enough time for a little morning coffee grinding/pressing alchemical ritualism.
If it's on TH-cam it must be true.
My theory is he didn't get the fax for expediency. There are studies that suggest that we remember what we read at a better rate if it's on paper as apposed to on a screen. As someone with ADHD I well believe this. Screen info does not stick for me in the same way. Written copy is solid and better to cognitively work with. It may not be quicker but it is easier. He's not saving time he's saving cognitive load and he has an PA to do the leg work. I think it's pretty clever
Never taken a step back, reflect
1:35:57 Norman Tebbit is not late, he is still alive.
Thin end of the edge of the wedge? We always put the worst interpretation on every thing! His take on the old royal asking 'where you from' was a prime example of worst interpretation!
How the hell did you get Roryer on your show???
I like Rory but I have this crushing feeling that he desperately needs to let out a 30 second fart
Great podcast, but adding in 'please subscribe' in the middle of a conversation really detracts from the quality of your discussion.
its the A5 down to the south of france just sayin as as anglofrog
I agree with Musk, if you want your freedom, go self employed
Roland fryer asked questions from outside the box!!!
Thomas Sewell on the minimum wage!
Not often that Rory can barely get a word in.
BBC? I don’t want to fund Pfiles thank you very much
This conversation is mostly political and isn’t showcasing Rory’s genius.
Praising Obama.
Progressive vs Conservative.
Raising minimum wage.
Least productive Rory interview while 12x longer than some of his best.
Your political bias ruined it
Your level is far to high and Rory's is about right and you make lots of interjections and they make it very hard to hear.
the wanting everything to make sense is neuroticism.
Perez Donald Lewis Daniel Brown Charles
Rory is great to listen to, but I am afraid your interview style is appalling so no, I won't be subscribing
Stormed the Capital. Mate. Really?
This channel is called "Common Sense". Ironic with the Trump Derangement Syndrome on exhibit.
Stop breaking the fourth wall while you in conversation 🤬
The interviewer needs to be more open minded and let his guest make a point. He dug his heir so much and sacrificed so much time which could have been spent on other topics
I watch a lot of Rory and I like him. I had no intention of subscribing, as this seems like a fairly typical sycophantic chat, but then you politely and quite deftly pushed back on the 'we are not allowed to speak about immigration' trope and I was really impressed. Just to confirm I'm 40 yrs old and I remember when Farage & UKIP came on the scene to parasitize our politics as a teenager, and the topic has never fallen off the agenda since. However, migration remains essential & broadly beneficial, which is why we should probably ask if it is time to stop discussing it. Or at the very least start saying something interesting about it. For instance 'what you are not allowed to say' is that: a child born in Uganda is not responcible for where they were born & has just much right to live in the UK as my kids, if they want to.
I think the issues surrounding immigration at the moment that alarm people are the sheer numbers (over 500k net per year the last couple of years) and our country’s (in)ability to cope with that. I believe it was the ONS who basically said that to keep house prices where they’re at now, we would to build 382,000 homes a year, every year to accommodate that. This is before we get into infrastructure and expansion of public services. We just do not have the capacity to do that unless you want to rebuild Victorian style slums or turn this green and pleasant land into a giant Mumbai. Neither will be very popular to put it mildly. By all means, let’s have migration, but let’s be much stricter and more sensible about who comes in.
Your last sentence doesn’t add up. Giving effectively everybody “the right” to live in the UK doesn’t work, especially as a huge proportion of immigrants are net recipients of UK largesse, rather than contributors.
@@julianchase95 that doesn't appear to address my point that children are not responsible for where they happen to be born
@@cobbler9113divine falicy
And - fortunately - nor are you responsible for where they end up living. @@alexanderbaines-buffery7563
1:14:25 Watch, in awe, as The Sutherland deploys a carpet bomb of truth...
Never heard anyone try to put on a posh accent and fail at it so badly.
Why does the interviewer say yeah, ummm everytime Rory finishes a sentence. Unwatchable.