As a fan of both @GodsLogic and @Kam I was waiting for the question to be answered about the Quran verse so that the brothers could continue with the discussion. But if you can’t stand behind the verses in your own book without you adding a mans interpretation instead of the scripture, then how can the debate continue? I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, was crucified and resurrected for the remission of sins for all of His creation to be saved from the enemy. Glad to see Brothers willing to talk like men. Bravo
💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE: 💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19) For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK: And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. -- SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
i Clearly explained that NO READER WAS THERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO to be able to PROVE whether either story was TRUE or FALSE. - THAT is where & why the "Doubt" is mentioned in the 1st place. - But its clear that yall do not know how to use COMMON SENSE or CRITICAL THINKING.
it Looks REAL GOOD to me. That's WHY i posted it. - The fact that YOU're saying "I SHOULDN'T have posted it", lets me know its makes me & my case look GOOD. lol
💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE: 💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19) For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK: And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
Running like a track star? That's open to interpretation. In my interpretation of the event, Godlogic cut you off because you wouldn't answer the question. Just sayin.
Yeah. I always go to the Holy Quran The Hon. Elijah Muhammad pointed us to read. Godlogic and Christians like him grab all these suspect translations of the Quran.
The Quran does not claim that the Bible (as a collection of texts) was entirely tampered with. Instead, it critiques specific actions, such as distortion, concealment, and misinterpretation by some individuals. The Quran positions itself as a final and corrective revelation to clarify and confirm the original messages sent by God. This perspective forms the basis of how many Muslims view the Bible as containing elements of divine truth but potentially mixed with human alterations.
Kam brotha, you’re literally repositioning what the actual scripture is saying to fit a narrative that fits your perspective redefining what is being said in that scripture. The scripture is literally similar to me telling u something and u doubting it and I tell u to check with your mom who can verify my truth. It’s not saying go ask your mom and use what I said to validate if she’s telling the truth, but for the purpose to catch her in her lies only to correct her truth. It can happen, Logically makes no sense, especially to how the verse was written. I woulda ended the call as well.
I would of liked for the 2 brothers to continue. What I don't agree about with Kam point is giving a newer book more credibility than an older book. With that logic in do time we will have another religious group or word from the creator coming.
That’s what false doctrine is. Someone coming along claiming they have a new “revelation” and it involves them being the new and improved “god, lord and savior” that everyone needs to follow. It’s been going on and the Bible warns of it. It’s an old trick.
The problem is that the bible is not one book. It has 66 books. Each book was a new revelation that gave new information about God. The Quran is the latest revelation, so that's 67 books. The people of Moses don't love Jesus, and the people who love Jesus don't love Muhammad. Islam is the fastest growing religion, and it's because of a clear argument and not a physical sword, but a spiritual sword is definitely being used.
HIS WHOLE ARGUMENT WAS WEAK IN THE FIRST PLACE - HE JUST COULDN’T WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE AND QURAN COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER…ALLAH CERTAINLY HAD NO DOUBT ABOUT WHAT HE REVELED PAST OR PRESENT. YOU GAVE HIM THE CONTEXT BY WHICH ALLAH IS TELLING MUHAMMAD ( PBUH ) REGARDING THE BIBLE AND LIKE A CHILD HE TOOK THAT AS A KNOCK ON ISLAM IGNORING THE FACT THAT ALLAH IS THE SOURCE OF REVELATION IN BOTH BOOKS.
PERHAPS TAKE A MINUTE AND GOOGLE THE MUSLIM PROGRAM OF THE NATION OF ISLAM AND READ WHAT THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE 1-3 SPECIFICALLY ACCORDING TO ELIJAH MUHAMMAD. HE IS THE ONE WHO DECLARED THAT HE MET AND WAS TAUGHT BY ALLAH IN PERSON AND THE TRUTH OF BIBLE AND QURAN WERE REVEALED TO HIM AS BOTH BEING REVELATIONS FROM THE SAME SOURCE. ALLAH!.
the "fight-or-flight" response can be triggered by physiological threats OR psychological stressors in modern life, such as: * Work deadlines * Relationship conflicts * Financial worries * Being tapped out Bro KAM lol He obviously chose the flight option rather than take his L like a man and give/receive respect! Ls mean you need to take self inventory and return stronger.
@@Phantom-l6h If he would have ALLOWED me to PROVE my "point" that YOU "didn't know", then he and You would have understood based on THIS: 💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE: www.biblegateway.com/passage/... 💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19) For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK: And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - THIS IS WHY THE QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
Kam you started off great! You mentioned the same as I do when he talks about verses. You took him to PREVIOUS verses! That’s the man thing in These discussions. You let him get you off your square. Yes he was doubting the Karan but that’s why it say if you doubt why I give you go check what’s been tampered with
You just provided the best rebuttal to the claim that the Christian brother has been using to beat up Muslims all over the internet. He couldn’t refute your explanation, and he didn’t want his followers to hear you any further. Good work brother, Salaam!
I suggest that ppl read "the book your church doesn't want you to read" -- its a hardpill to swallow for some but Its enlightening. FYI its not written by anyone in the NOI before u write it off as propoganda.
This grown man was talking about how new books correct older books smh. Religion takes your mind away to think. Poor man doesn't understand that the people who made the Quran copied the Torah + Bible smh
@@Topsey2000 …You just made my point. Why did there need to be a NEW TESTAMENT OF GOD? - Isn’t the OLD Testament SUPERIOR since it came BEFORE the New Testament? 😏
It just kills me that they believe hole hardly that bible isn’t man written..just try using your own brain for a minute and think,also do your own research and gather more information instead of just believing just one source!…RESPECT to my brother KAM!🇯🇲
It actually kills me how you people try to expose the Bible for being man written when everything in this world is man written lol, like duh. The difference with scriptures is we acknowledge it to be inspired by a higher power out of this world known by names that have to do with Divine Power such as the Almighty God, Allah, Jehovah(YahWeh),etc. In the Scriptures it clearly states he appeared to men and told them what to wrote and spread to the people.
@mulaaworld.hunidz it isn't, but being fair that's what people call him to refer to him. Allah is the same form of God in order language, they are titles, not names. When using those names you have to place something with the title that describes him such as the Almighty God, the Most High God, etc. I'm well learned in these areas.
I don't think so. I played this twice. Brother Kam didn't answer his questions effectively and he wasn't getting the arguments it seems. This was a comprehension issue, so they talked passed one another.
@@larryjake7783 ... BS. He absolutely understood what i was saying. Anyone who will NOT respect a person who is being respectful and asking for 60 seconds to Answer their Questions with BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE is a COWARD. - If he's NOT familiar with The NOI interpretation, why not give 60 seconds to hear some of it??? :)
@@Phantom-l6h ... bcuz the WHOLE TOPIC was ABOUT BOTH BOOKS - Which One is SUPERIOR (Correct) and which one is CORRUPTED. - How DONT you understand that?
IMO the disconnect is that Christians like him dont understand the religious environment of the time. That it was alot of disagreements about the bible. What was and wasn't tampered with was one of those disagreements. Did jesus say he was god, the son of god, or the son of man, was another disagreement. In my understanding, the Quran was revealed in order to correct those disagreements. So if it wasn't in the Quran like the 10th plague. Then that was a part of the book that was tampered with because its not matching up with the newest revelations. He didnt understand the underlying premise of the religious disagreements of the day leading to the revealing of the Quran. He came with the understanding that Christians were in agreement and muslims came out with their own religious doctrine for no reasons at all. That's the biggest disconnect i saw and why the convo went left. Alot of Christians dont know that part of history. That probably has to change before a prosuctive debate or conversation can take place. Or it'll be talking in circles. Atleast then you can see who has cognitive dissonance and who doesn't. West Up!
Actually we were NOT saying the same thing. He did/does Not wanna admit that the Bible has been TAMPERED WITH/CORRUPTED. But he's claims that the Quran IS Corrupt.
💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE: 💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19) For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK: And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
@@westcoastkam yea no , again you have a twisted understanding of the scripture . That's talking about the Book of revalations itself not the whole Bible and also, that's not saying people will add to it. The verse in the Quran is talking about what they interpreted not what they rewrote. We have the records of what it says . You're reading it wrong on purpose. You also dont know that the Bible isn't saying God is a man because the Language doesn't confirm that and the Bible itself doesn't confirm that. You don't have to lie . But we can have the Bible study anytime you want . The NOI endorses scientology so we know its not teching correctly.
As a fan of both @GodsLogic and @Kam I was waiting for the question to be answered about the Quran verse so that the brothers could continue with the discussion. But if you can’t stand behind the verses in your own book without you adding a mans interpretation instead of the scripture, then how can the debate continue? I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, was crucified and resurrected for the remission of sins for all of His creation to be saved from the enemy. Glad to see Brothers willing to talk like men. Bravo
💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE:
💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19)
For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK:
And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
-- SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
How can a new book correct the old if the older should be used to remove doubt?! The muslim made no sense
i Clearly explained that NO READER WAS THERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO to be able to PROVE whether either story was TRUE or FALSE. - THAT is where & why the "Doubt" is mentioned in the 1st place. - But its clear that yall do not know how to use COMMON SENSE or CRITICAL THINKING.
The new book , said the same story , don't be stupid and follow the Bible , the new book made corrections .
Bruh u kept cutting him off and getting emotional instead of letting him finish then u respond. U shouldn't had post this mane this dnt look good 4 u
it Looks REAL GOOD to me. That's WHY i posted it. - The fact that YOU're saying "I SHOULDN'T have posted it", lets me know its makes me & my case look GOOD. lol
You literally didn’t answer the question lol and why would he go back and forth with you? It don’t make sense at all
💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE:
💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19)
For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK:
And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
That boy did a Ninja vanish 🥷 😂
Running like a track star? That's open to interpretation. In my interpretation of the event, Godlogic cut you off because you wouldn't answer the question. Just sayin.
@10:29: I just read the prescribed HQ 10, v94.... AND the Maulana Muhammad Ali, footnote: #1155. Shows Kam is correct.
Yeah. I always go to the Holy Quran The Hon. Elijah Muhammad pointed us to read. Godlogic and Christians like him grab all these suspect translations of the Quran.
I Love That KAM gets it. Allegory deciphering is the truest connection to the universal energy.
The Quran does not claim that the Bible (as a collection of texts) was entirely tampered with. Instead, it critiques specific actions, such as distortion, concealment, and misinterpretation by some individuals. The Quran positions itself as a final and corrective revelation to clarify and confirm the original messages sent by God. This perspective forms the basis of how many Muslims view the Bible as containing elements of divine truth but potentially mixed with human alterations.
Kam brotha, you’re literally repositioning what the actual scripture is saying to fit a narrative that fits your perspective redefining what is being said in that scripture. The scripture is literally similar to me telling u something and u doubting it and I tell u to check with your mom who can verify my truth. It’s not saying go ask your mom and use what I said to validate if she’s telling the truth, but for the purpose to catch her in her lies only to correct her truth. It can happen, Logically makes no sense, especially to how the verse was written. I woulda ended the call as well.
I would of liked for the 2 brothers to continue. What I don't agree about with Kam point is giving a newer book more credibility than an older book. With that logic in do time we will have another religious group or word from the creator coming.
That’s what false doctrine is. Someone coming along claiming they have a new “revelation” and it involves them being the new and improved “god, lord and savior” that everyone needs to follow. It’s been going on and the Bible warns of it. It’s an old trick.
People have been claiming new revelations for centuries that don’t align with the Bible. Yet the Bible stands strong
The problem is that the bible is not one book. It has 66 books. Each book was a new revelation that gave new information about God. The Quran is the latest revelation, so that's 67 books. The people of Moses don't love Jesus, and the people who love Jesus don't love Muhammad. Islam is the fastest growing religion, and it's because of a clear argument and not a physical sword, but a spiritual sword is definitely being used.
And yet the Quran took from the Bible, because the Bible is the authority
The Bible remains the authority that some people like to try to discredit
Supreme breakdown bro
I would love to see you Squabble up wit Pastor Gino Jennings
Asa Brother Kam APBTA Asa!
My brother, Cam got at him.... 😂
*Kam
HIS WHOLE ARGUMENT WAS WEAK IN THE FIRST PLACE - HE JUST COULDN’T WRAP HIS HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE AND QURAN COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER…ALLAH CERTAINLY HAD NO DOUBT ABOUT WHAT HE REVELED PAST OR PRESENT. YOU GAVE HIM THE CONTEXT BY WHICH ALLAH IS TELLING MUHAMMAD ( PBUH ) REGARDING THE BIBLE AND LIKE A CHILD HE TOOK THAT AS A KNOCK ON ISLAM IGNORING THE FACT THAT ALLAH IS THE SOURCE OF REVELATION IN BOTH BOOKS.
PERHAPS TAKE A MINUTE AND GOOGLE THE MUSLIM PROGRAM OF THE NATION OF ISLAM AND READ WHAT THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE 1-3 SPECIFICALLY ACCORDING TO ELIJAH MUHAMMAD. HE IS THE ONE WHO DECLARED THAT HE MET AND WAS TAUGHT BY ALLAH IN PERSON AND THE TRUTH OF BIBLE AND QURAN WERE REVEALED TO HIM AS BOTH BEING REVELATIONS FROM THE SAME SOURCE. ALLAH!.
Yep he ran up outta there Swift😂 aka NOAH LIES!!🔥🏃🏾♂️
the "fight-or-flight" response can be triggered by physiological threats OR psychological stressors in modern life, such as:
* Work deadlines
* Relationship conflicts
* Financial worries
* Being tapped out Bro KAM lol
He obviously chose the flight option rather than take his L like a man and give/receive respect! Ls mean you need to take self inventory and return stronger.
@@Phantom-l6h If he would have ALLOWED me to PROVE my "point" that YOU "didn't know", then he and You would have understood based on THIS: 💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE: www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19)
For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK:
And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
- THIS IS WHY THE QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
Revelation 22:18 is a warning to anyone who distorts the Bible. Many have and continue to distort the Bible to their own detriment
Saw you on God logic
I was waiting for this
@@Phantom-l6h ...Will YOU Get on LIVE with Me right Now?
I told the young brother to stop debating young muslims and bring on Dr.Wesley for a real debate with a real scholar....didnt get a reply yet lol
Kam you started off great! You mentioned the same as I do when he talks about verses. You took him to PREVIOUS verses! That’s the man thing in These discussions. You let him get you off your square. Yes he was doubting the Karan but that’s why it say if you doubt why I give you go check what’s been tampered with
You just provided the best rebuttal to the claim that the Christian brother has been using to beat up Muslims all over the internet. He couldn’t refute your explanation, and he didn’t want his followers to hear you any further. Good work brother, Salaam!
😇🫡💪🏾
Kam you "No Mas" him..
I suggest that ppl read "the book your church doesn't want you to read" -- its a hardpill to swallow for some but Its enlightening. FYI its not written by anyone in the NOI before u write it off as propoganda.
@@FretDGuitar I'll look into it but honestly, I doubt it'll say anything that would make me question Christianity.
This grown man was talking about how new books correct older books smh. Religion takes your mind away to think. Poor man doesn't understand that the people who made the Quran copied the Torah + Bible smh
@@Topsey2000 …And PEOPLE Also Wrote the TORAH. And according to YALL, the NEW Testament is SUPERIOR to the OLD Testament (Torah). - Poor children smh.
@westcoastkam What book isn't written by man?
@@Topsey2000 …You just made my point. Why did there need to be a NEW TESTAMENT OF GOD? - Isn’t the OLD Testament SUPERIOR since it came BEFORE the New Testament? 😏
@@westcoastkam Too much logic lol
@@westcoastkam Ok, no more games. I'm an Atheist. What are you lol?
It just kills me that they believe hole hardly that bible isn’t man written..just try using your own brain for a minute and think,also do your own research and gather more information instead of just believing just one source!…RESPECT to my brother KAM!🇯🇲
Every book in the world is man written. They don't write themselves 😂🤦🏽♂️ doesn't make the bible a false book. Grow up in your thinking fam.
It actually kills me how you people try to expose the Bible for being man written when everything in this world is man written lol, like duh. The difference with scriptures is we acknowledge it to be inspired by a higher power out of this world known by names that have to do with Divine Power such as the Almighty God, Allah, Jehovah(YahWeh),etc. In the Scriptures it clearly states he appeared to men and told them what to wrote and spread to the people.
@KnowledgeLearned777 Allah isn't one of his names tho 🤦🏽♂️
@mulaaworld.hunidz it isn't, but being fair that's what people call him to refer to him. Allah is the same form of God in order language, they are titles, not names. When using those names you have to place something with the title that describes him such as the Almighty God, the Most High God, etc. I'm well learned in these areas.
@@KnowledgeLearned777 Understood
Avery cooked you
- You smashed his idol Kam, what you expect❓️⁉️- 😅 😂 🤣 😹 - Watch how much respect he'd get if he were on your platform - Will he accept the fade❓️ - 🤔
I don't think so. I played this twice. Brother Kam didn't answer his questions effectively and he wasn't getting the arguments it seems.
This was a comprehension issue, so they talked passed one another.
@@larryjake7783 ... BS. He absolutely understood what i was saying. Anyone who will NOT respect a person who is being respectful and asking for 60 seconds to Answer their Questions with BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE is a COWARD. - If he's NOT familiar with The NOI interpretation, why not give 60 seconds to hear some of it??? :)
@@Phantom-l6h Are YOU WILLING TO GET ON LIVE WITH ME RIGHT NOW AND DO WHAT @GodLogicgl was TOO COWARDLY TO DO?
@@Phantom-l6h ... bcuz the WHOLE TOPIC was ABOUT BOTH BOOKS - Which One is SUPERIOR (Correct) and which one is CORRUPTED. - How DONT you understand that?
@@OfficialMNIB ill accept it for him
IMO the disconnect is that Christians like him dont understand the religious environment of the time. That it was alot of disagreements about the bible. What was and wasn't tampered with was one of those disagreements. Did jesus say he was god, the son of god, or the son of man, was another disagreement. In my understanding, the Quran was revealed in order to correct those disagreements. So if it wasn't in the Quran like the 10th plague. Then that was a part of the book that was tampered with because its not matching up with the newest revelations. He didnt understand the underlying premise of the religious disagreements of the day leading to the revealing of the Quran. He came with the understanding that Christians were in agreement and muslims came out with their own religious doctrine for no reasons at all. That's the biggest disconnect i saw and why the convo went left. Alot of Christians dont know that part of history. That probably has to change before a prosuctive debate or conversation can take place. Or it'll be talking in circles. Atleast then you can see who has cognitive dissonance and who doesn't. West Up!
Yall was both sayin the same thing.. thats why baby talk is not allowed
Actually we were NOT saying the same thing. He did/does Not wanna admit that the Bible has been TAMPERED WITH/CORRUPTED. But he's claims that the Quran IS Corrupt.
Yea no, this interpretation is all the way off
💥💥💥 HERE IS THE PROOF THAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT #SHALL BE TAMPERED WITH, THAT THIS GUY COWARDLY RAN AWAY FROM LETTING ME EXPOSE:
💥 (REVELATION 22:18-19)
For I testify unto #EVERY #MAN that heareth the words of the prophecy of #THIS #BOOK, If any man #SHALL add unto these things, God SHALL add unto him the #PLAGUES that are written IN THIS BOOK:
And if any man SHALL take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God SHALL take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
SO THIS IS WHY THE HOLY QURAN HAD TO BE REVEALED.
@@westcoastkam yea no , again you have a twisted understanding of the scripture . That's talking about the Book of revalations itself not the whole Bible and also, that's not saying people will add to it. The verse in the Quran is talking about what they interpreted not what they rewrote. We have the records of what it says . You're reading it wrong on purpose. You also dont know that the Bible isn't saying God is a man because the Language doesn't confirm that and the Bible itself doesn't confirm that. You don't have to lie . But we can have the Bible study anytime you want . The NOI endorses scientology so we know its not teching correctly.
Getem Kam
He kept cutting you off brother KAM