Just found your channel and watched a few of your videos, however, this video was something I have been thinking about for a bit and I like your analysis, so I subscribed and of course, gave you a like as well.
I've been going through your videos the last few days looking for inspiration for ideas, and I've definately implemented a few of your ideas. I'm just curious, how in the world do you only have 6.13k subs? Your content and channel are phenomenal and you're extremely helpful with you explainations. Just yesterday I implemented my own Jarvis, set alerts for when people leave the doors open and notify when there is lightning. I also set up audible alerts for when we receive a tornado warning. Awesome work man! Glad to have found your channel
First of all I am blown away that you don't have more comments on this video??? Second I love the execution of this automation. I knew that this type of thing was possible but just didn't know how to do it. This one "efficient" automation can replace a dozen "inefficient" automations. Can you please do more videos like this but maybe title it something like creating one automation instead of 10. Or even go through at least the not so well understood options when creating automations (like choose). I am really liking your channel. Your focus on automations is the power behind HA but many other videos are how to create cool devices or integrate devices and although that is very useful there doesn't seem to be enough content like this showing how to utilize the power in HA automations. BTW I rarely comment on anything on YT so I hope that serves as a indicator to you how I see your videos as gold.
Hi Jeff. This is brilliant. Using existing smart devices to determine if a room is occupied is genius. You've no doubt moved on quite a bit since you first posted this and I wondered if you'd made a more advanced presence detection guide? I'm trying to improve the "permanence" of room presence. When we have multiple people moving around the house, the room presence text helper can change quite quickly, but people may still be in a room that previously triggered the automation. ie I turn on the TV, triggering the TV room presence, then a camera in the kitchen triggered by another person's motion changes the text helper to "kitchen", while the TV room is still occupied. I have an idea involving input_boolean toggles for individual room occupancy, but I wondered how you overcame that? Keep up the great work 👍
Actually here in Turkey most of us live in moderately bigger apartmant flats. Very small percantage of our people live in My first idea was to use lidar. I have a one flat apartmant flat, which has 5 bedrooms, one living room, one kitchen (here in Turkey we don't like open concept) two bathroom and one toilet. This is a huge apartmant flat. But, with using only two lidars, it would be possible to solve room occupancy problem with 100% accuracy. One lidar on enterance, one lidar on corridor. They can sense the people's movement. They can tell where they entered and where they leaved. Rest is calculation. "In room one there was a person, another one entered. There is two people now." etc.etc. But lidars are extremely expensive. There should be a low resolution diy lidar solution. 🙂
Do you have any tip on knowing which car is in the house? I have 2 cars in the garage and knowing whether they both left is a more accurate indication of whether I’m home. I tried to look up distance sensor but couldn’t find one readily available to use without building it.
I don’t know anything specific for cars. Home assistant has a proximity sensor that can get the distance of a tracker to a zone. Dr Zzzs also made a super simple esp car tracker that worked when car was on and could be used for car presence.
It was all great, right up to the point that it required the scripting. I've no idea where to start with that and only heard of Jinja the other day in one of your videos. Is there another way of doing this without writing code?
With this one I think the closest I can get you us copy and paste. But I plan on doing a video on how to get into scripting via the UI which is less "coding" but the jinja stuff unforunate is still manual.
@@SlackerLabs I’d really like to be able to code. I think it would unlock so much more potential and give me far more scope to improve and be creative with the automations, but I don’t even know the basics. I can work out some of the yaml bits when I’ve got something to work from but I’ve never seen Jinja and I’m not clear where or how to write/save it. I’m always willing to try stuff though.
I have google/nest mini speakers in three rooms and use room presence to determine which room (s) an announcement is played. I have an input select which has all the combinations (e.g. office,office-living,all) . I use motion sensors to choose the room. When motion is sensed in a room I make sure the input select includes that room. If no motion is sensed for X minutes that room is removed from the input select. When I go to bed part of the end of day routine is to turn off the motion sensors and. set the room to bedroom. Otherwise my cats will trigger lights all night long. My TTS flow uses the state of the input select to choose the device(s) to play on. I am an old NodeJS programmer so I do all control in node-red rather than HA.
Okay, I'm perfectly comfortable with cameras watching me inside a house. In fact, they already are. But I couldn't find anything about whatever the analysis program/app is that could help with person detection. Where do you find that?
Check out Doods. It can run as a Home Assistant add-on and works really well. www.home-assistant.io/integrations/doods/ When I tested it in the house it was identifying all kinds of objects.
It's not for everyone, but I'm working on building an ESPresence network for the house that will put a sensor in each of the major rooms. One of the reasons for this is to be able to use lightweight tags, like Apple air-tags, to tag the cats. That way any time one of us is concerned about whether a cat slipped past one of us while bringing in groceries, or taking out the trash, we can ask where the cats are, or where a specific cat is, that can be reported back. Also potentially useful at locating a collar that one of our cats has figured out how to slip, more than once. Now to design and implement some door open/closing detection. I happen to have magnets, hall effect sensors, (and reed sensors, so i could work with either) and may implement something like the $5 window sensor from 'The Hook Up' but using some 14505's and deep sleep with door sensor interrupts to wake up the esp8266--01, and send mqtt events on door open, and close, then hourly report battery status.so I know when the battery needs to be replaced/recharged. They may not be $5 in the end, but who knows. I should add a button so that if a door open/close' event is lost, it can be re-detected and sent. We'll see.
People don't realize this but you could easily set up a smart home using JUST old discarded phones from friends and family. There are a multitude of sensors for each phone and you could set it all up in creative ways. For example door sensor via accelerometer combined with the flashlight (mood lighting if you don't set it flush against the wall). Serves great if you don't want the full blown lights burning your retinas when going up to pee. Could also set one of its cameras for a presence sensor. Set one up in each room and with this you can now set whatever you're watching on your main screen to follow you around the house at fair volume so that you don't pause or miss bits of it.
@@hadejumor which part? First off you'll need a free app and integration (which is a camera server, so you also get home survaillance baked in free of charge) called Android IP Camera. This will avail you of all those features that the HA companion app neglected to include. One example: when my dumb doorbell rings, the microphone level is set to trigger a siren in my bedroom so I can hear it in that part of the house. This phone is set up directly on the peephole of my front door so that when it rings, the camera feed of whoever is at the door is pulled up on my screen. Also I have a mind to hack the dumb intercom using a regular smart plug so that it's a complete smart doorbell system for free. You can automate this also with camera object detection from DOODS (search for it in integrations) to use as with other smart doorbells. Also, seeing as this phone is strapped to a door, it can use the accelerometer as a door sensor whenever the door opens (or closes). The app will grant you access to the flash so that you can have it trigger when you walk into the room (using the microphone trigger as above when it detects any noise). Could use DOODS object detection from the camera but if there is no light it will not trigger... alternatively, the IP Camera app also has motion detection (and night vision) so you could use that instead of doods. Look, just get the app then look at the sensors and see how each would fit your use-case, or uninstall it if they don't.
I usually use a delay. I currently don’t have any automations tied to lights in the bathroom. But if I did I would have an automation with mode restart and two triggers: motion and humidity over x percent. Then for action turn on lights. Followed by a delay of 15 mins. Then turn off lights. That way if motion was sensed or humidity increases then restart delay.
How about using a distance sensor above the toilet? This will be similer to how some detect if a car in in the garage. If the distance reading is less than the distance from the ceiling (or sensor) and the toilet seat, then someone is sitting there. If you use this at an angle or in the correct line you can detect someone standing infront of the toilet as well. Another option can be to use a load cell to measure the pressure of the toilet seat. If it is more than the weight of the seat and cover, then someone is sitting there. This might also work for standing as the load cell will measure that the seat is not on it anymore. The problem is that some people do not put the seat down after use, so....
@Emmanuel Goldstein Very good point. I have not looked at the frequencies of the ultra sonic sensors and dogs' hearing range, but I think it will be safe to use. It is used in a lot of places. But a time of flight sensor might be the best and safest option. They are not that expensive anymore and you only need a "cheap" one as distance and extreme accuracy is not important at all.
Hmm. I like finding system bugs, and I think I found one in yours. (Unless there are unmentioned factors in your system.) If someone is already at home, watching TV, and the rest of the family comes home and trigger the "We're home" action, the person watching TV will get the greeting, not the new arrivals. Am I right?
Its very possible. Depends on the automation that trigger that welcome announcement script.. In my welcome home automation that I mention, it has conditions so it wont fire if someone is home. The whole point of that one is to trigger when the first person arrives back home after everyone has been gone. So it wouldn't fire in your scenario. I actually use a different welcome home automation/script that announces everyone that arrives home. And that one fires regardless of whether someone is home or not. But tis meant for to just give a heads up to both anyone that is already home, and to welcome home those that just arrived. So in that case it would play in the theater and not where people are, with like you mention could be a problem.
Alan Bryne / @TheBurnsiela (th-cam.com/users/TheBurnsiela) Made an awesome comment that TH-cam blocked due to the URL in it, but in Release 2021.7 you can assign Ids to your triggers which will make some of this even easier. Check it out. These releases keep getting better. Check it out: rc.home-assistant.io/blog/2021/06/30/release-20217/#trigger-conditions-and-trigger-ids and thanks for the heads up Alan!
Best video on this topic so far. Other videos want me to put dog collars on my kids with Bluetooth tags, so they can have the lights on 😂.
Just found your channel and watched a few of your videos, however, this video was something I have been thinking about for a bit and I like your analysis, so I subscribed and of course, gave you a like as well.
Great Video - thanks so much - lots of info and nice and concise
Very interesting ideas here. I think I'm going to have watch this video 5 or 6 times before I understand it!
I've been going through your videos the last few days looking for inspiration for ideas, and I've definately implemented a few of your ideas. I'm just curious, how in the world do you only have 6.13k subs? Your content and channel are phenomenal and you're extremely helpful with you explainations. Just yesterday I implemented my own Jarvis, set alerts for when people leave the doors open and notify when there is lightning. I also set up audible alerts for when we receive a tornado warning. Awesome work man! Glad to have found your channel
Thanks! And I ask my self that question all the time. But usually more as how the heck did I get 6k subs. Haha. I’m glad they are useful!.
First of all I am blown away that you don't have more comments on this video??? Second I love the execution of this automation. I knew that this type of thing was possible but just didn't know how to do it. This one "efficient" automation can replace a dozen "inefficient" automations. Can you please do more videos like this but maybe title it something like creating one automation instead of 10. Or even go through at least the not so well understood options when creating automations (like choose). I am really liking your channel. Your focus on automations is the power behind HA but many other videos are how to create cool devices or integrate devices and although that is very useful there doesn't seem to be enough content like this showing how to utilize the power in HA automations. BTW I rarely comment on anything on YT so I hope that serves as a indicator to you how I see your videos as gold.
Thanks, I learned about helpers and using the trigger info in automations from your video.
Valuable info, I think that is going to be very useful. Thanks for that.
I have a video going live today (1/19/2022) that shows my updated version...
Hi Jeff. This is brilliant. Using existing smart devices to determine if a room is occupied is genius. You've no doubt moved on quite a bit since you first posted this and I wondered if you'd made a more advanced presence detection guide? I'm trying to improve the "permanence" of room presence. When we have multiple people moving around the house, the room presence text helper can change quite quickly, but people may still be in a room that previously triggered the automation. ie I turn on the TV, triggering the TV room presence, then a camera in the kitchen triggered by another person's motion changes the text helper to "kitchen", while the TV room is still occupied. I have an idea involving input_boolean toggles for individual room occupancy, but I wondered how you overcame that? Keep up the great work 👍
Awesome video, thank you. You gained a subscriber.
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This is gold
Actually here in Turkey most of us live in moderately bigger apartmant flats. Very small percantage of our people live in My first idea was to use lidar. I have a one flat apartmant flat, which has 5 bedrooms, one living room, one kitchen (here in Turkey we don't like open concept) two bathroom and one toilet. This is a huge apartmant flat. But, with using only two lidars, it would be possible to solve room occupancy problem with 100% accuracy.
One lidar on enterance, one lidar on corridor. They can sense the people's movement. They can tell where they entered and where they leaved. Rest is calculation. "In room one there was a person, another one entered. There is two people now." etc.etc.
But lidars are extremely expensive. There should be a low resolution diy lidar solution. 🙂
Do you have any tip on knowing which car is in the house? I have 2 cars in the garage and knowing whether they both left is a more accurate indication of whether I’m home. I tried to look up distance sensor but couldn’t find one readily available to use without building it.
I don’t know anything specific for cars. Home assistant has a proximity sensor that can get the distance of a tracker to a zone. Dr Zzzs also made a super simple esp car tracker that worked when car was on and could be used for car presence.
It was all great, right up to the point that it required the scripting. I've no idea where to start with that and only heard of Jinja the other day in one of your videos. Is there another way of doing this without writing code?
With this one I think the closest I can get you us copy and paste. But I plan on doing a video on how to get into scripting via the UI which is less "coding" but the jinja stuff unforunate is still manual.
@@SlackerLabs I’d really like to be able to code. I think it would unlock so much more potential and give me far more scope to improve and be creative with the automations, but I don’t even know the basics. I can work out some of the yaml bits when I’ve got something to work from but I’ve never seen Jinja and I’m not clear where or how to write/save it. I’m always willing to try stuff though.
I have google/nest mini speakers in three rooms and use room presence to determine which room (s) an announcement is played. I have an input select which has all the combinations (e.g. office,office-living,all) . I use motion sensors to choose the room. When motion is sensed in a room I make sure the input select includes that room. If no motion is sensed for X minutes that room is removed from the input select. When I go to bed part of the end of day routine is to turn off the motion sensors and. set the room to bedroom. Otherwise my cats will trigger lights all night long. My TTS flow uses the state of the input select to choose the device(s) to play on. I am an old NodeJS programmer so I do all control in node-red rather than HA.
You rock!! Cheers from brazil
Okay, I'm perfectly comfortable with cameras watching me inside a house. In fact, they already are. But I couldn't find anything about whatever the analysis program/app is that could help with person detection. Where do you find that?
Check out Doods. It can run as a Home Assistant add-on and works really well. www.home-assistant.io/integrations/doods/ When I tested it in the house it was identifying all kinds of objects.
It's not for everyone, but I'm working on building an ESPresence network for the house that will put a sensor in each of the major rooms. One of the reasons for this is to be able to use lightweight tags, like Apple air-tags, to tag the cats. That way any time one of us is concerned about whether a cat slipped past one of us while bringing in groceries, or taking out the trash, we can ask where the cats are, or where a specific cat is, that can be reported back. Also potentially useful at locating a collar that one of our cats has figured out how to slip, more than once.
Now to design and implement some door open/closing detection. I happen to have magnets, hall effect sensors, (and reed sensors, so i could work with either) and may implement something like the $5 window sensor from 'The Hook Up' but using some 14505's and deep sleep with door sensor interrupts to wake up the esp8266--01, and send mqtt events on door open, and close, then hourly report battery status.so I know when the battery needs to be replaced/recharged. They may not be $5 in the end, but who knows. I should add a button so that if a door open/close' event is lost, it can be re-detected and sent. We'll see.
Have you had any luck getting airtags to work with ESPresense, because I have not at all. I've had to use other bluetooth sensors.
People don't realize this but you could easily set up a smart home using JUST old discarded phones from friends and family. There are a multitude of sensors for each phone and you could set it all up in creative ways. For example door sensor via accelerometer combined with the flashlight (mood lighting if you don't set it flush against the wall). Serves great if you don't want the full blown lights burning your retinas when going up to pee. Could also set one of its cameras for a presence sensor. Set one up in each room and with this you can now set whatever you're watching on your main screen to follow you around the house at fair volume so that you don't pause or miss bits of it.
Can you please give more details to this?
@@hadejumor which part? First off you'll need a free app and integration (which is a camera server, so you also get home survaillance baked in free of charge) called Android IP Camera. This will avail you of all those features that the HA companion app neglected to include.
One example: when my dumb doorbell rings, the microphone level is set to trigger a siren in my bedroom so I can hear it in that part of the house. This phone is set up directly on the peephole of my front door so that when it rings, the camera feed of whoever is at the door is pulled up on my screen. Also I have a mind to hack the dumb intercom using a regular smart plug so that it's a complete smart doorbell system for free. You can automate this also with camera object detection from DOODS (search for it in integrations) to use as with other smart doorbells. Also, seeing as this phone is strapped to a door, it can use the accelerometer as a door sensor whenever the door opens (or closes).
The app will grant you access to the flash so that you can have it trigger when you walk into the room (using the microphone trigger as above when it detects any noise). Could use DOODS object detection from the camera but if there is no light it will not trigger... alternatively, the IP Camera app also has motion detection (and night vision) so you could use that instead of doods. Look, just get the app then look at the sensors and see how each would fit your use-case, or uninstall it if they don't.
how do you keep the lights on if you place a motion sensor in the bathroom and are sitting on the toilet?
I usually use a delay. I currently don’t have any automations tied to lights in the bathroom. But if I did I would have an automation with mode restart and two triggers: motion and humidity over x percent. Then for action turn on lights. Followed by a delay of 15 mins. Then turn off lights. That way if motion was sensed or humidity increases then restart delay.
How about using a distance sensor above the toilet? This will be similer to how some detect if a car in in the garage. If the distance reading is less than the distance from the ceiling (or sensor) and the toilet seat, then someone is sitting there. If you use this at an angle or in the correct line you can detect someone standing infront of the toilet as well. Another option can be to use a load cell to measure the pressure of the toilet seat. If it is more than the weight of the seat and cover, then someone is sitting there. This might also work for standing as the load cell will measure that the seat is not on it anymore. The problem is that some people do not put the seat down after use, so....
@@radieerasmus I like distance sensor. I might have to look into that myself.
@Emmanuel Goldstein Very good point. I have not looked at the frequencies of the ultra sonic sensors and dogs' hearing range, but I think it will be safe to use. It is used in a lot of places. But a time of flight sensor might be the best and safest option. They are not that expensive anymore and you only need a "cheap" one as distance and extreme accuracy is not important at all.
could just slap an old phone on the wall with one of its cameras pointed at the door. Would detect the actor and switch when he leaves
Hmm. I like finding system bugs, and I think I found one in yours. (Unless there are unmentioned factors in your system.)
If someone is already at home, watching TV, and the rest of the family comes home and trigger the "We're home" action, the person watching TV will get the greeting, not the new arrivals. Am I right?
Its very possible. Depends on the automation that trigger that welcome announcement script.. In my welcome home automation that I mention, it has conditions so it wont fire if someone is home. The whole point of that one is to trigger when the first person arrives back home after everyone has been gone. So it wouldn't fire in your scenario. I actually use a different welcome home automation/script that announces everyone that arrives home. And that one fires regardless of whether someone is home or not. But tis meant for to just give a heads up to both anyone that is already home, and to welcome home those that just arrived. So in that case it would play in the theater and not where people are, with like you mention could be a problem.
what about MySensors , NRF24 integration ? make some step_by_step ... please
Alan Bryne / @TheBurnsiela (th-cam.com/users/TheBurnsiela) Made an awesome comment that TH-cam blocked due to the URL in it, but in Release 2021.7 you can assign Ids to your triggers which will make some of this even easier. Check it out. These releases keep getting better. Check it out: rc.home-assistant.io/blog/2021/06/30/release-20217/#trigger-conditions-and-trigger-ids and thanks for the heads up Alan!
To difficult for me, I can't do it
Well this ia pain in the arse to work on and youll be dealing with yamlgotchi so no... Ill go with mmwave presence sensor instead.
Yeah, once mmwave gets more wildly available and cheaper I will be going that route.