Thank you! We are fans of Tasting History and then this episode came up and it seemed like a no-brainer! We're so glad Max was just as excited to work together on this episode as we were. Check out his full episode on this recipe: th-cam.com/video/zBurkdTyJhE/w-d-xo.html
Great collab between 2 awesome history buffs! And absolutely waiting for this series to come to podcasts--Joel's voice is perfect, and the length is perfect for breaks! Pirate podcast, plssss!
My 8th great-grandfather John Frost was the captain of the Bonetta Pinck sailing from Barbados to Boston. On July 4, 1717, it was boarded by pirates from the ship Le Grande. In his report filed when he returned to Portsmith, NH, Frost said that the pirates took “several barrels of sugar and forty hogsheads of rum.”
So many food jokes, I love it I always wondered why on earth the sea-going crews of the day didn't just - you know, fish??? But then I learned just how truly HUGE the Atlantic is, and how much of it is just, open ocean. There ARE no fish. It's weird to contemplate when always we see this great amazing footage of enormous schools of fish. Also, small shout out to the game "Return of the Obra Dinn" that taught me about livestock really truly being A Thing On Board. (Gruesome, but educational!)
wonderfully presented - when i was aboard a combat vessel our supply ship (2 in a row) could not make contact - we ate rice / moldly and maggot bread - but thank the lord we had water - 4 days was hell!
I've heard of sailors dropping off enough goats and rabbits to breed on small islands about the world so they could be sure that there'd be something to eat later. This more often than not would destroy the islands ecosystem. But also why there are quite a few islands named goat/rabbit Island.
Good stuff. Thank you. When they mentioned turtles being stored on their backs all I could picture was a huge game of Mario Bros with those things sliding around, hitting masts, sailors and whatnot. Gold coins?
No gold coins, just turtle vomit and poop probably. All the sliding would probably make them naseus, and they can and will poop if upset. Witnessed firsthand shadowing at a vet clinic - though admittedly those turtles were sick already, which is why they needed medical care in the first place - but since these were wild turtles, there's a high likelihood that they had at least sub-clinical intestinal parasite infestations to begin with, and the stress of their capture and storage would weakon their immune response, and potentially allow the parasites to really sink their claws in and make the turtles sick. So basically, these probably weren't healthy turtles either...
Joel: "After being stranded, crew members under Henry Morgan were forced to eat..." Me: "Oh no.... CANNIBALISM?" Joel: "...leather satchels..." Me: "Oh! WHEW!!" 😩😅🥴 I used to think that sailors (no matter what kind - whether it be those in the navies, merchants, pirates) would just go fishing if they ran out of protein source, but ofc even in on-shore circumstances fishing isn't that easy 😅😂. Damn being a pirate is sure *tough* on the stomach 🙃
I love Max Miller. So glad he referred us to your channel. I've only watched this episode so far, but I'm a new sub and will definitely be watching more!
Would be really interested in a video discussing the distinction between pirates identified as privateers versus corsairs. I've noticed that unlike Privateers, which are quintessentially maritime condottieros, many pirates identified as 'Corsairs', be they French, Maltese, Portuguese, Ottoman, Mughal, Italian, Spanish, Moroccan or Barbery in origin, despite their home nations having equivalents to letters of marque, committed acts of piracy that were considered such by their victims, but unlike privateers (which were effectively mercenaries), picketoons of various stripes (such as buccaneers, deabraqons, cācyānnā, or wokou), or subsistence raiders, their acts are normally glossed over in their home nations. A lot of these corsairs were also commissioned members of their militaries unlike privateers or the other groupings, which makes me wonder if part of the reason why the subject isn't as discussed as often compared to terrestrial-based military brigandry is the conflation of these corsairs with nationalist movements.
I want videos more often. If we can’t get a full video, I’d be happy with some videos in between of our host being cool and pirate-y on the set, maybe reading pirate poetry or playing violin.
(came here because of Max Miller's awesome leather-eating video) The "buccan" is similar to the Brazilian "moquém", used by the Brazilian indigenous peoples to "moquear" (roast) the meat, keeping it edible for a longer time - quite interesting interesting 😄
MAttpat, via FoodTheory, took a look at eating leather recently. I can't remember if he went this far in preparing it but he did mention the act of digestion would be so labor intensive for your body that you would lose calories
Saw Max, clicked extra fast hardtack -click- -click- delightful and educational The song at the end is such beautiful harmony, but is it "pop your nose in a jug of"..."piss"? Where might one find the whole song specifically used at the end?
Wow I actually learned something new about pirates, I had no idea they so heavily relied on indigenous people for food and trade as well as survival techniques. Goes to show just how bad pirating really was for those that chose the lifestyle.
@6:30 My grandfather's ship got torpedoed and sunk during WW2, and I was always told he survived on leather shoes for months. When he came home my grandmother didn't recognize him and thought he was a hobo, as my grandfather would often take in needy people. He actually survived this twice. He recounted that sharks were picking off men who had survived with him and some men went mad and swam off thinking they saw something that wasn't there.
Puerto Rican ports were always open for pirates. Spain didn't stop their ships in our island so all of our food, clothes and animals were contraband. Many little islands in the Caribbean had to trade with pirates or die of hunger.
I had previously learned pirates weren't generally rich, using most of their efforts to keep themselves simply stocked and fed, but I guess I never thought of how difficult it might be simply to go shopping for food when you have a reputation of being a maritime mugger. And wow, that joke about mutineers being too starved and slight to die by hanging was DARK.
Teaching the Europeans how to live off the land was the ever-important Indigenous bargaining chip in gaining external help against neighboring groups and tribes. It was this arguably-mutual cooperation which may have helped the Caribs become the predominant post-contact native population.
And WOW over 200 posts and not 1 said anything about the video there all praising Max Miller and his channel!!!!!!! How about giving some love to PBS Origins for another GREAT video!!!!! KEEP IT UP
And on a related note, it is my understanding that "Pirate booty" often had as much or more food, medicine, charts, and other things needed to simply survive. Gold's nice, but you can't boil it long enough to make it edible and even if you did it won't supply any nutrition. Similarly, powder and cannonballs didn't exactly grow on trees. So, if you could intimidate someone into surrendering it was better than fighting (and a lot less risk of sinking a ship and loosing the whole thing too).
The descriptions in this video are more applicable to sailors than to pirates. Sailors were worked hard and cheap, and had no say in the course, cargo, or management of the ship. Pirates had a basic democracy on ship, had a vested interest in the ship and it's cargo, and could vote away an unusually harsh captain or quartermaster.
So merchant sailors would have had access to those supply stops? This has been a very interesting series that confirmed a lot of the research I’ve done for a sailor story :) it has pirates but it’s not the focus. A main part of the story involves merchant sailors. While not as horrifying as the East India Trading Company was, the trade in my story has its colonial flaws.
4:43. That image belongs to a series on the history of medicine published by Life Magazine, as far as I remember. How happened that Getty Images now owns it?
This kind of starvation diet wasn't limited to pirates. It was not uncommon amongst all sailing vessels and crews regardless of nationality or venture. Anything from sailing off course to inclement weather could result in starvation. It was also not unheard of for captains to make errors in judgment which resulted in the crew experiencing such hardship, forcing them to hunt the rats aboard ship before stripping the leather from their sea chests for nourishment.
100%! Thank you for the accurate and informative comment. The first time I read accounts of folks eating leather to survive was from journals of European settlers trying to survive a winter on the great plains. Definitely, not a pirate only problem or survival tactic!
@@gregjeskeep4511 Surviving Winter was a huge problem for early American settlers unaccustomed to the dramatic changes in seasonal weather and their lacking knowledge of native food sources (what could be grown seasonally and regionally). You're absolutely right that this wasn't an uncommon survival tactic.
Thank you so much for bringing this leather eating pirate to my attention! I had such fun working on this video.
eatin leather in the name of education and science!
I think your definition of fun might be different than mine...
Tasting History with Max Miller ! Look at you fantastic! 🌞
Thanks to Max Miller, I hear *clack clack* every time someone says "hardtack biscuits" like at 1:01. How Pavlovian of you, Tasting History!
We loved working with you on this. Please don't send us your dentist bill.
Max over here doing the real historic reenactments I want to see. Thank you for your sacrifice.
Watch Max Miller share his leather recipe on Tasting History! th-cam.com/video/zBurkdTyJhE/w-d-xo.html **DO NOT ATTEMPT AT HOME**
one of the rare recipes my mom wont be cooking for dinner lol
PBS AND Max?! Does it get any better?
Thank you! We are fans of Tasting History and then this episode came up and it seemed like a no-brainer! We're so glad Max was just as excited to work together on this episode as we were. Check out his full episode on this recipe: th-cam.com/video/zBurkdTyJhE/w-d-xo.html
@Greg Jeske, EP Fantastic series and such a fresh, eye-opening, informative look into piratical history. Keep up the great work and thank you!
Absolutely not!
Yes, it does! PBS, Max AND Our Flag Means Death ❤
1:03 Missed opportunity to demonstrate Max’s iconic Hardtack Biscuits.
HA! Not wrong.
I know. I found myself expecting the clip, and then had to remind myself that this wasn't his video.
I was waiting for it too
the clip played automatically in my head when he said it 🤣
Clack clack
Max Miller's channel is great, I recommend it to anyone who has any interest in food and/or history.
You got me at Max Miller! I love watching his channel! Also I love the interesting content from PBS as well!
Great collab between 2 awesome history buffs! And absolutely waiting for this series to come to podcasts--Joel's voice is perfect, and the length is perfect for breaks! Pirate podcast, plssss!
👀👀
My 8th great-grandfather John Frost was the captain of the Bonetta Pinck sailing from Barbados to Boston. On July 4, 1717, it was boarded by pirates from the ship Le Grande. In his report filed when he returned to Portsmith, NH, Frost said that the pirates took “several barrels of sugar and forty hogsheads of rum.”
The collab that ends up as a gift. Like many I came over from Max's channel. It's lovely to see your work. New subscriber.
So excited that you did a collab with Tasting History!
So many food jokes, I love it
I always wondered why on earth the sea-going crews of the day didn't just - you know, fish??? But then I learned just how truly HUGE the Atlantic is, and how much of it is just, open ocean. There ARE no fish. It's weird to contemplate when always we see this great amazing footage of enormous schools of fish.
Also, small shout out to the game "Return of the Obra Dinn" that taught me about livestock really truly being A Thing On Board. (Gruesome, but educational!)
Thank you for saying that lol because I was wondering the same thing 😂
Just wanted to say thanks to you at PBS Origins for collaborating with one of my favorite food-history hosts, Max Miller!
He's one of our favorites too! We hope you stick around for more
I cracked up at the description of the pirates not being able to stop themselves from laughing at the pigs bring seasick on deck 😄
I finished watching Max’s latest video and now I’m here to learn more.
PR, how do you manage to be everywhere? Do you sleep?
for some reason, this makes me want a comedy about 17 century pirates going on a food run
we would watch!
Came from Max's channel.
With the livestock on deck, no wonder they were always swabbing the decks.
Arrived here via Max and this did not disappoint. Well done!
wonderfully presented - when i was aboard a combat vessel our supply ship (2 in a row) could not make contact - we ate rice / moldly and maggot bread - but thank the lord we had water - 4 days was hell!
PBS and Max!! Love both of these videos.
Yay, a new Rouges episode!! And on food no less, one of my favourite historical topics. Well done Joel & PBS team!
You're awesome thank you for clarifying all that ... I've been watching Max for a couple of years now thanks for the backstory!
I've heard of sailors dropping off enough goats and rabbits to breed on small islands about the world so they could be sure that there'd be something to eat later. This more often than not would destroy the islands ecosystem. But also why there are quite a few islands named goat/rabbit Island.
Interesting never thought of that. I do know of an island with the name Isla de cabras, full of goats.
Like Australia
This is a crossover I did not expect!
Here via Tasting History. Bravo, Max!
What!!! Max Miller featured on my favorite channel?? Are the stars aligned?
I love this collab with tasting history!! Max is awesome
just not the same hearing someone else besides Max say "Hard-Tack" 🤣
but I got to say this video is very informative and you just earned a new sub 😎👍
I know right? I was sad they didn't feature the infamous hardtack clip...
I cannot tell hot how much I LOVE this series. Every episode is better than the last.
Good stuff. Thank you. When they mentioned turtles being stored on their backs all I could picture was a huge game of Mario Bros with those things sliding around, hitting masts, sailors and whatnot. Gold coins?
No gold coins, just turtle vomit and poop probably. All the sliding would probably make them naseus, and they can and will poop if upset. Witnessed firsthand shadowing at a vet clinic - though admittedly those turtles were sick already, which is why they needed medical care in the first place - but since these were wild turtles, there's a high likelihood that they had at least sub-clinical intestinal parasite infestations to begin with, and the stress of their capture and storage would weakon their immune response, and potentially allow the parasites to really sink their claws in and make the turtles sick. So basically, these probably weren't healthy turtles either...
Joel is a great host because I, too, get Hangry when I don’t have an afternoon snack.
1:02 - As someone who came here from Max's channel, it was weird hearing "hard tack" without seeing/hearing them clacked together
Joel: "After being stranded, crew members under Henry Morgan were forced to eat..."
Me: "Oh no.... CANNIBALISM?"
Joel: "...leather satchels..."
Me: "Oh! WHEW!!" 😩😅🥴
I used to think that sailors (no matter what kind - whether it be those in the navies, merchants, pirates) would just go fishing if they ran out of protein source, but ofc even in on-shore circumstances fishing isn't that easy 😅😂. Damn being a pirate is sure *tough* on the stomach 🙃
4:13 I didn’t need to know but thank you for that lovely detail. I can’t unsee it.
Brilliant introduction. Pirates two favorite restaurants.
I came here from Tasting History. Very interesting video! Love the style and delivery of the channel.. I’ve subscribed 😊
Welcome aboard!
I love Max Miller. So glad he referred us to your channel. I've only watched this episode so far, but I'm a new sub and will definitely be watching more!
Not me expecting a 'tack-tack' when the first mention of hard tack came up.
Excellent crossover, y'all!
Hardtack *clack clack*. I mean, can't have Max on without this bit.
I love this collab with Tasting History!
Would be really interested in a video discussing the distinction between pirates identified as privateers versus corsairs. I've noticed that unlike Privateers, which are quintessentially maritime condottieros, many pirates identified as 'Corsairs', be they French, Maltese, Portuguese, Ottoman, Mughal, Italian, Spanish, Moroccan or Barbery in origin, despite their home nations having equivalents to letters of marque, committed acts of piracy that were considered such by their victims, but unlike privateers (which were effectively mercenaries), picketoons of various stripes (such as buccaneers, deabraqons, cācyānnā, or wokou), or subsistence raiders, their acts are normally glossed over in their home nations. A lot of these corsairs were also commissioned members of their militaries unlike privateers or the other groupings, which makes me wonder if part of the reason why the subject isn't as discussed as often compared to terrestrial-based military brigandry is the conflation of these corsairs with nationalist movements.
As a life long fan of PBS, and a recent fan of Max, this is like my dream video!!!!
Like a few others, I was directed here by Max and Tasting History...so informative!
Subscribed!
I want videos more often. If we can’t get a full video, I’d be happy with some videos in between of our host being cool and pirate-y on the set, maybe reading pirate poetry or playing violin.
I can't read the word Hardtack without the Max Miller clip anymore
Just watched Max, he sent me over. Excellent choice.
I came from Tasting History before this and when you said "Hard Tack" I was waiting for the tap tap of his little bit he shows. Great colab!
I found you from @tasting history with Max Miller. Thank you 👏😀💜
Incredibly interesting! I always watch Max, which is what lead me to this video. I'm very glad it did.
You're one of ny favourite storytellers!!
Rogue History needs his own channel.💜
I like that autoplay took me right to this from Tasting History.
(came here because of Max Miller's awesome leather-eating video)
The "buccan" is similar to the Brazilian "moquém", used by the Brazilian indigenous peoples to "moquear" (roast) the meat, keeping it edible for a longer time - quite interesting interesting 😄
MAttpat, via FoodTheory, took a look at eating leather recently. I can't remember if he went this far in preparing it but he did mention the act of digestion would be so labor intensive for your body that you would lose calories
I'm so proud of Max!!!!
I'm so excited to see this crossover!!
Omgz Max Miller on a PBS channel! Yes!!!
As max said eating modern leather is very dangerous he orded a non toxic leather from somewew
Saw Max, clicked extra fast
hardtack -click- -click-
delightful and educational
The song at the end is such beautiful harmony, but is it "pop your nose in a jug of"..."piss"?
Where might one find the whole song specifically used at the end?
I think it's "pop your nose in a jug of this". (I presume "this" is rum or a similar spirit.)
Oh hell yes, two awesome channels I follow already
Got here from Max's channel. You got another subscriber.
Wow I actually learned something new about pirates, I had no idea they so heavily relied on indigenous people for food and trade as well as survival techniques. Goes to show just how bad pirating really was for those that chose the lifestyle.
Another great episode.
Max sent me over and my dude........That fro has covered most of your head......You sir have one of the coolest hair do's I've seen in a long time! XD
Fantastic! I love everything about this series!
Max sent me, as he's sent many of us as I can see.
love you guys paired up!
Good for you, Joel. Great series! All the best. Dr. T.
No *click* *click* when hardtack was mentioned? ;)
Love this series thank you
If they only knew about sauerkraut and vitamin c.
So glad Max led me here. Subscribed,
Bit wacky to think that every ship was a little farm on the sea.
@6:30 My grandfather's ship got torpedoed and sunk during WW2, and I was always told he survived on leather shoes for months. When he came home my grandmother didn't recognize him and thought he was a hobo, as my grandfather would often take in needy people. He actually survived this twice. He recounted that sharks were picking off men who had survived with him and some men went mad and swam off thinking they saw something that wasn't there.
I just feel bad for the tortoises...
I love dried beans and salted meats. I should eat oranges and round out my pirates diet.
I suggest the Penguin.
Max Miller and OFMD! This pleases me 💜💜
Max made it to big time now!
I'm sure I could answer this myself with a quick search but I'm curious if the term poop deck is related to live stock well.... doing just that
Great to sea Max!!!
Damn my two favorite channels doing a collab
i got here from max’s video and your channel is epic
According to my grandma, I’m descended from Morgan the Pirate, but I’ve never been able to confirm it.
Puerto Rican ports were always open for pirates. Spain didn't stop their ships in our island so all of our food, clothes and animals were contraband. Many little islands in the Caribbean had to trade with pirates or die of hunger.
I had previously learned pirates weren't generally rich, using most of their efforts to keep themselves simply stocked and fed, but I guess I never thought of how difficult it might be simply to go shopping for food when you have a reputation of being a maritime mugger.
And wow, that joke about mutineers being too starved and slight to die by hanging was DARK.
Teaching the Europeans how to live off the land was the ever-important Indigenous bargaining chip in gaining external help against neighboring groups and tribes. It was this arguably-mutual cooperation which may have helped the Caribs become the predominant post-contact native population.
And WOW over 200 posts and not 1 said anything about the video there all praising Max Miller and his channel!!!!!!!
How about giving some love to PBS Origins for another GREAT video!!!!!
KEEP IT UP
I love all of his jokes and puns
And on a related note, it is my understanding that "Pirate booty" often had as much or more food, medicine, charts, and other things needed to simply survive. Gold's nice, but you can't boil it long enough to make it edible and even if you did it won't supply any nutrition. Similarly, powder and cannonballs didn't exactly grow on trees. So, if you could intimidate someone into surrendering it was better than fighting (and a lot less risk of sinking a ship and loosing the whole thing too).
Also, boucanne means smoke
I would be interested in a list of the songs you sometimes use.
What's the name of the group that did the song at the end
Is there a reason they didn’t eat fish or try fishing while out at sea?
The descriptions in this video are more applicable to sailors than to pirates. Sailors were worked hard and cheap, and had no say in the course, cargo, or management of the ship. Pirates had a basic democracy on ship, had a vested interest in the ship and it's cargo, and could vote away an unusually harsh captain or quartermaster.
Max Miller recommended you I subscribed to you Please do not let either😁 of us down
So merchant sailors would have had access to those supply stops? This has been a very interesting series that confirmed a lot of the research I’ve done for a sailor story :) it has pirates but it’s not the focus. A main part of the story involves merchant sailors. While not as horrifying as the East India Trading Company was, the trade in my story has its colonial flaws.
Cross over!!!! Max Miller is my fave channel!
4:43. That image belongs to a series on the history of medicine published by Life Magazine, as far as I remember. How happened that Getty Images now owns it?
This kind of starvation diet wasn't limited to pirates. It was not uncommon amongst all sailing vessels and crews regardless of nationality or venture. Anything from sailing off course to inclement weather could result in starvation. It was also not unheard of for captains to make errors in judgment which resulted in the crew experiencing such hardship, forcing them to hunt the rats aboard ship before stripping the leather from their sea chests for nourishment.
100%! Thank you for the accurate and informative comment. The first time I read accounts of folks eating leather to survive was from journals of European settlers trying to survive a winter on the great plains. Definitely, not a pirate only problem or survival tactic!
@@gregjeskeep4511 Surviving Winter was a huge problem for early American settlers unaccustomed to the dramatic changes in seasonal weather and their lacking knowledge of native food sources (what could be grown seasonally and regionally). You're absolutely right that this wasn't an uncommon survival tactic.