Beeching wasn't a monster - most railways on the continent went through somilar cuts. Those cuts didn't make it to the oaoers, because they were gradual.
Fair play to that woman who saved the north london line. I rode on it a few times. Other neighbourhoods in london like muswell hill lost thier only stations
Most closures happened under Labour when Marples and Beeching had long gone. They could have stopped the closures (having promised to do so) but didn’t.
@@Bungle-UKWell, other than the fact that the closures started before Beeching, but when Marples was rising to power, in the 1950s and early 60s during the Conservative era (3,105 miles lost). Immediately after the report, this continued, and peak closures happened in 1964 (1, 382 miles in these two years). That is the main Beeching impact. 4,487 miles lost under the Conservatives. You are right that Labour were elected on a promise to reverse this - and failed to deliver. 2,578 more miles were lost up until 1970, when they left office. So, about half that lost under the Conservatives and Marples. About 108 remaining miles were lost under the Conservatives in the following three years. I've not got the figures for the remaining lines that the Conservatives closed in the 1980s, in their desperate effort to privatise the remains of the network (and didn't Railtrack work well). So, no, most closures did not happen under Labour.
@@CullenRick The majority of closures arising from the Beeching report did indeed happen under the Wilson Labour government. Indeed, both parties continued with closures in the 1970s as BR was starved of cash. Let’s not forget that closures had begin decades before Beeching and the reality is that many lines were either duplicates or never made rational sense. Pruning was always going to happen and the majority of closures could be justified. The 1980s were a much better time for BR than the preceding two decades with significant investment including the Sprinters/Pacers, East Coast and Great Eastern electrification and sectorisation, all of which resulted in the first increase in passenger numbers in many years. Of course, this film also fails to highlight the successful elements of Beeching’s legacy. For example, he highlighted the need to develop a high quality Intercity network, which was highly successful, and protected most of the commuter network in and around London.
@@Bungle-UKWell as, after showing you with the actual statistics that you are wrong, you're still determined to follow the Party Line, there seems little point in bothering to debunk your posts any further. However, please don't spout your nonsense as replies to my very simple and accurate post. If you want to make your own comments, feel free and I will happily ignore them - but as an actual historian, I'm not interested in party political claptrap.
@@CullenRick No, you’re unable to deal with someone who is challenging you with factually accurate information. The 1980s were rather a positive time for the railways, but you won’t accept that because it doesn’t suit your ‘conservatives are bad’ narrative. The overriding theme is that rail closures were on ongoing process from the turn of the century and occurred under governments of both main parties, responding to changing transport options and the huge societal shift towards personal transport. Unfortunately, that doesn’t suit your narrative that’s paint Marples and Beeching a bogeymen to blame it all on.
One of the most important lines Closed by labour was the line From Matlock to Buxton And Matlock It Takes Four Hours to get from Buxton To Matlock You have to go Buxton to Stockport Stockport to Sheffield Sheffield To Derby Derby To Matlock It takes one hour on the bus 🚌 And they it’s quicker by Train!!!! The line was an alternative route to London and the line To Manchester Central should Never have closed Obviously people who make these decisions don’t know Anything about Railway’s Ernest Marples has a lot to answer for Beeching lived in East Grinstead which had a high level and low level station The high level line was closed On the 2 January 1967 The track bed was later used To build a relief road and was Named Beeching Way A Car 🚘 Park was also built On part of the level Station The High Level Station The line from East Grinstead to Hayward’s heath and the from Uckfield to Lewes was another Piece of Railway Vandalism As they were alternate routes To Brighton went main line was Closed for engineering works Or any derailments which Blocked the main line The uckfield to lewes line is Mentioned In ADRIAN’S VAUGHAN book railway blunders
This is classic misrepresentation of the facts. Beeching didn’t close anything, ministers did. Indeed, most closures happened under the Wilson Labour government, long after Beeching had gone.
Fuck me who cares whoever it was it Labour or Tory, they are both the worst. It was an awful decision to remove alot of railway, with so little foresight a monkey could have done it better. Oh yea lets base our transport on the now and not think about tomorrow. Ring any bells? Near me bypass built under Major. One Lane built, enough for 2 easy, yet lets build for one because noone has the foresight to think between two junctions on M5 will be busy. Yes its a terrible road with so many accidents they made it a 40 zone probably years too late. Neither party has any view to future and actually making something that works. They just do the bare min and this country is so fucking passive about it all you see is yea i'll vote Tory because my mum fucking did. Gone are the days of MP's that actually give two shits, they just want their salary, and in some cases that salary on top of other earnings, sometimes into the millions and you think they give two flying fucks about you? It's so easy.
Beeching wasn't a monster - most railways on the continent went through somilar cuts.
Those cuts didn't make it to the oaoers, because they were gradual.
Fair play to that woman who saved the north london line. I rode on it a few times. Other neighbourhoods in london like muswell hill lost thier only stations
Marples made the policy. Beeching was simply the hitman.
Most closures happened under Labour when Marples and Beeching had long gone. They could have stopped the closures (having promised to do so) but didn’t.
@@Bungle-UKWell, other than the fact that the closures started before Beeching, but when Marples was rising to power, in the 1950s and early 60s during the Conservative era (3,105 miles lost). Immediately after the report, this continued, and peak closures happened in 1964 (1, 382 miles in these two years). That is the main Beeching impact. 4,487 miles lost under the Conservatives. You are right that Labour were elected on a promise to reverse this - and failed to deliver. 2,578 more miles were lost up until 1970, when they left office. So, about half that lost under the Conservatives and Marples. About 108 remaining miles were lost under the Conservatives in the following three years. I've not got the figures for the remaining lines that the Conservatives closed in the 1980s, in their desperate effort to privatise the remains of the network (and didn't Railtrack work well). So, no, most closures did not happen under Labour.
@@CullenRick The majority of closures arising from the Beeching report did indeed happen under the Wilson Labour government. Indeed, both parties continued with closures in the 1970s as BR was starved of cash. Let’s not forget that closures had begin decades before Beeching and the reality is that many lines were either duplicates or never made rational sense. Pruning was always going to happen and the majority of closures could be justified. The 1980s were a much better time for BR than the preceding two decades with significant investment including the Sprinters/Pacers, East Coast and Great Eastern electrification and sectorisation, all of which resulted in the first increase in passenger numbers in many years.
Of course, this film also fails to highlight the successful elements of Beeching’s legacy. For example, he highlighted the need to develop a high quality Intercity network, which was highly successful, and protected most of the commuter network in and around London.
@@Bungle-UKWell as, after showing you with the actual statistics that you are wrong, you're still determined to follow the Party Line, there seems little point in bothering to debunk your posts any further. However, please don't spout your nonsense as replies to my very simple and accurate post. If you want to make your own comments, feel free and I will happily ignore them - but as an actual historian, I'm not interested in party political claptrap.
@@CullenRick No, you’re unable to deal with someone who is challenging you with factually accurate information. The 1980s were rather a positive time for the railways, but you won’t accept that because it doesn’t suit your ‘conservatives are bad’ narrative. The overriding theme is that rail closures were on ongoing process from the turn of the century and occurred under governments of both main parties, responding to changing transport options and the huge societal shift towards personal transport. Unfortunately, that doesn’t suit your narrative that’s paint Marples and Beeching a bogeymen to blame it all on.
One of the most important lines
Closed by labour was the line
From Matlock to Buxton And
Matlock
It Takes Four Hours to get from
Buxton To Matlock
You have to go
Buxton to Stockport
Stockport to Sheffield
Sheffield To Derby
Derby To Matlock
It takes one hour on the bus 🚌
And they it’s quicker by
Train!!!!
The line was an alternative route to London and the line
To Manchester Central should
Never have closed
Obviously people who make these decisions don’t know
Anything about Railway’s
Ernest Marples has a lot to answer for
Beeching lived in East Grinstead which had a high level and low level station
The high level line was closed
On the 2 January 1967
The track bed was later used
To build a relief road and was
Named Beeching Way
A Car 🚘 Park was also built
On part of the level Station
The High Level Station
The line from East Grinstead to
Hayward’s heath and the from
Uckfield to Lewes was another
Piece of Railway Vandalism
As they were alternate routes
To Brighton went main line was
Closed for engineering works
Or any derailments which
Blocked the main line
The uckfield to lewes line is
Mentioned In ADRIAN’S VAUGHAN book railway blunders
Looks like a young Deborah Meaden at 19:03
It's a pity the unions didn't get their act together !...I think they would have been well supported...Seeing this now just makes me angry .
Typical of unions - they have killed almost every industry they were involved in.
A disaster!
This is classic misrepresentation of the facts. Beeching didn’t close anything, ministers did. Indeed, most closures happened under the Wilson Labour government, long after Beeching had gone.
Fuck me who cares whoever it was it Labour or Tory, they are both the worst. It was an awful decision to remove alot of railway, with so little foresight a monkey could have done it better. Oh yea lets base our transport on the now and not think about tomorrow. Ring any bells? Near me bypass built under Major. One Lane built, enough for 2 easy, yet lets build for one because noone has the foresight to think between two junctions on M5 will be busy. Yes its a terrible road with so many accidents they made it a 40 zone probably years too late. Neither party has any view to future and actually making something that works. They just do the bare min and this country is so fucking passive about it all you see is yea i'll vote Tory because my mum fucking did. Gone are the days of MP's that actually give two shits, they just want their salary, and in some cases that salary on top of other earnings, sometimes into the millions and you think they give two flying fucks about you? It's so easy.